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Question Fanfic we really should have had by now? But...

8 years 9 months ago #1 by Malady
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  • Fanfic we really should have had by now? But don't for some reason...

    Inspired by: whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...e-really-should-have

    Going through tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanficTropes ...

    I guess some of it is because this is a very different kind of story, being online, and whatever the other stuff I can't name are, that make massive canon-breaking, intended to be serious, things like Ron The Death Eater verboten?

    Time Travel Fic... Gets really, really messy, really, really fast, due our knowledge of how the Whateley-'verse works, and having some force beyond the Outer Gods being able to do time-travel that they can't interfere with... Is really weird? IIRC?

    IIRC, we've never actually had a Rule 63 Micro Scene. Mainly 'cause most/all the characters are operating under it anyway...
    8 years 9 months ago #2 by mhalpern
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  • Malady wrote: Fanfic we really should have had by now? But don't for some reason...

    Inspired by: whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...e-really-should-have

    Going through tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanficTropes ...

    I guess some of it is because this is a very different kind of story, being online, and whatever the other stuff I can't name are, that make massive canon-breaking, intended to be serious, things like Ron The Death Eater verboten?

    Time Travel Fic... Gets really, really messy, really, really fast, due our knowledge of how the Whateley-'verse works, and having some force beyond the Outer Gods being able to do time-travel that they can't interfere with... Is really weird? IIRC?

    IIRC, we've never actually had a Rule 63 Micro Scene. Mainly 'cause most/all the characters are operating under it anyway...

    Time travel doesn't work well in fanfic especially when cannon is so.complex, and rules 63 wouldn't make sense even though some are partially operating under it or not at all the rest are. ( two main partials, Ayla and Danny, and technically a large number of shifters)

    Hmm other than a few cannon side characters, we haven't seen many gender-fluid shifters

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    8 years 9 months ago #3 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • We have a time travel fan Fic story, it's even been promoted Ma'at series.
    8 years 9 months ago #4 by Malady
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: We have a time travel fan Fic story, it's even been promoted Ma'at series.


    Right! ... But it doesn't touch canon Anywhere... Remove the Whateley stuff, and it could be Original Fic...
    8 years 9 months ago #5 by Sir Lee
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  • We also had (in the old forums) the "Timeout" series by John from Wauwatosa, which also involved some serious time traveling. Joanie even rescued a pair of sabretooths.

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    8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #6 by Schol-R-LEA
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  • I'd say that the material we need most of all right now - both in canon and in fanfic - is more Gen0 prequel stuff. I've tried to write some, as some of you know, but I have a pretty serious problem with lack of persistence; both 'Championship' and the Caduceus/Raul Tenant/Nefertari stories have languished after the initial burst of inspiration (as has 'Girl for Pele', but that's a Summer 2007 story). The historical stories really needs more attention from, well, someone who isn't as big a flake as I am.

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    8 years 9 months ago #7 by Yolandria
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  • Gen 0 stories would be cool. Gives a chance at a bit more unique perspective and a chance to show off other areas of the WAU that aren't touched on by the main Gen 1 story arcs that are in progress.

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    8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #8 by elrodw
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  • The point of Gen 0 is to have authors propose "background" information to flesh out the universe - such as Dr D 'turning', how the DPA rose to try to rein in the MCO, a major battle which caused the formation of the Empire City Guard, how Deathlist and Chessmaster got involved, the changes in the Syndicate in reaction to more mutants, and so on. What isn't Gen 0? It is NOT a place to do a simple origin tale. It's not 'contemporary' Gen 1 or gen 2 Whateley tales. It SHOULD be off campus and be associated with a significant background element. It's also a place to 'audition' authors to become canon - at least for some works.

    We have right now precisely 1 author who's doing a Gen 0 'audition' - Domoviye. No-one else (to the best of my knowledge) has asked. We HAVE a list of potential subjects, but as I said, few have asked.

    And it's okay for the fans to propose ideas of background elements they'd like to see. If it's interesting enough to us, we can put it on the list. Propose away.

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    8 years 9 months ago #9 by Sir Lee
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  • elrodw wrote: The point of Gen 0 is to have authors propose "background" information to flesh out the universe - such as Dr D 'turning', how the DPA rose to try to rein in the MCO, a major battle which caused the formation of the Empire City Guard (...)

    Didn't the ECG form essentially to stop Mimeo?

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    8 years 9 months ago #10 by lighttech
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    We have right now precisely 1 author who's doing a Gen 0 'audition' - Domoviye. No-one else (to the best of my knowledge) has asked. We HAVE a list of potential subjects, but as I said, few have asked.

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    but the question I ask?
    do they even know they are on a short list to ask?

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    8 years 9 months ago #11 by Kristin Darken
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  • The list of potential subjects we have is the list of STORIES we are willing to give people a shot at writing. It is not a list of people who we're willing to consider. We haven't completely worked out the details of how we want the process to work which is why we haven't opened the doors to the floodgate of applicants and have just dealt with one or two people who were are looking at as candidates for canon anyway.

    In general though, the idea is that WE provide the story concept. The protagonist is already chosen, the scope of the story and maybe even the framework... by the canon team. The G0 author writes the story within our parameters, has a mentor from the group assigned to work with them to answer any cabal detail questions and to give technical, style, and concept feedback. Scenes and sections of the piece are presented to the team for feedback and approval at a number of stages and will pass a couple go/no-go tests which will tell you if you've actually got something that is what we asked for... or if you've gone off the rails and are in fan fiction land somewhere.

    Why this format? Well, generally, we find that the people who want to write in the WU are creative authors. There are lots of great character ideas, for power set and personality, for how to plug a character into a niche, and how to introduce them. But there are far fewer people among this group who are looking at telling full stories, of working within an ongoing plot and both closing out and introducing new aspects that may or may not come to fruition in the near future, and of completing projects that stretch beyond the original gimmick.

    We're also looking at the AUTHOR as much if not more than their work. An author who has a character or an idea that they refuse to adapt or let go of for the good of the group/universe, makes everyone's work harder and less fun. Especially if they refuse to recognize that the character isn't really within the scope of the universe and they're trying to shoehorn something in that doesn't work. There are lots of great superhero stories possible that can't be Whateley canon. And there's a limit to how many new characters you can write origins on before the school year is in motion and you need to go further with the character AND long term plots.

    Finally... we want stable reliable authors. The last thing we want to do is introduce more authors who leave after copying in their one or two stories into canon. Or who need regular guidance and emotional support to get a story done and out the door. We're often tough on each other and when everyone's off working on their own things, getting feedback on YOUR story doesn't happen without prodding and may be blunt, short, and harsh when you do get it. If you let that stop you from handling refinements or continuing... you'll never have stories released.


    Mostly, to this point people have been throwing ideas for a story THEY want to do as a Gen 0 story... and that's not how we want to work it at all. When we're ready to move forward on this, we'll bring in a couple people who we have authors to pair up with, and we'll give them the list of story concepts to choose from. And we expect that story and process to take 3-6 months, with regular updates and scene reviews every other week. And we expect the end result to range from 40-80k words in length. A few of the concepts might be able to be written really tightly into a 25k word single release, but most will have two to three parts. It will be a LOT like a commissioned work, and your only 'guaranteed' payment is the feedback and guidance you get along the way. If it turns out, you might get an invite to the canon team. But even a good story, that is posted as canon, isn't a guarantee that we'll add you to the group.


    And I do have a list of a couple people who have expressed interest in doing a G0 story, but I've been holding off until we finalize how we want to work it. For example, Elrod has been doing a lot of G2 support and guidance and mentoring for author candidates... and its taking away time from his writing. So we need to spread out the commitment to mentoring a bit more, but doing so will obviously take time away from writing for anyone who does it... once we decide on a solution, we'll make more announcements about it.

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    8 years 8 months ago #12 by Quadhouse
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  • Sir Lee wrote: We also had (in the old forums) the "Timeout" series by John from Wauwatosa, which also involved some serious time traveling. Joanie even rescued a pair of sabretooths.


    THANK YOU! You don't know how long I've been looking for that.
    7 years 5 months ago #13 by null0trooper
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  • Thread necro, because I really am not in the mood for more furniture moving.

    elrodw wrote: The point of Gen 0 is to have authors propose "background" information to flesh out the universe - such as Dr D 'turning', how the DPA rose to try to rein in the MCO...

    ... Propose away.


    What may be truly sad is that a "History of the DPA" story, starting well before the MCO (The paranormal isn't limited to mutants, and used to have little to do with them!) is something I could be interested in. In the WU, the originals may easily date to the Whiskey Rebellion or before. Some chapters in that history might be a bit on the grimdark side, but history usually is.

    Mind you, given that WU history is assumed to parallel RL history unless proven otherwise, I'd still consider the BIA one of Hell's bastard children.

    Malady wrote: IIRC, we've never actually had a Rule 63 Micro Scene. Mainly 'cause most/all the characters are operating under it anyway...


    I think one of Rose Bunny's micros had a handful of Rule 63's. Before that, Buck Swift's distaff double has also appeared.

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    7 years 5 months ago - 7 years 5 months ago #14 by Rose Bunny
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  • I'm not cool and hip so I don't remember stuff like "the rules" Was rule 63, the gender-flip one? because I did that intending to go somewhere with it, forgot what I was going to do, and ended up offering it up as an " Anyone who wants this, take it"

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    7 years 5 months ago - 7 years 5 months ago #15 by Malady
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  • Rose Bunny wrote: I'm not cool and hip with rule 63, is that the gender-flip one?


    Yeah, that's the Gender Flip one.

    ...

    Note that I started this thread 1 year+ ago. Just sayin'.

    Generally speaking: An AU that's got tons of canon backing would be Brandon instead of Kayda?
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    7 years 5 months ago #16 by Sir Lee
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  • I think that one of the notorious April Fools stories (the ones from like ten years ago that created such a brouhaha in the forums that they were kept offline for a long, long time -- actually, I'm too lazy to go check if they were all restored eventually) involved a bit of Rule 63.

    And there was a series of micro-scenes, also long, long ago that had as premise that Trevor Goodkind manifested as a mutant, but hadn't his gender messed with by Nimbus. Therefore, instead of Ayla aka Phase, a Poesie and Kimba member, there was Trevor aka Snark, a Melvillain...

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