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Question How would Making plants grow be classified

7 years 10 months ago #1 by konzill
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    • So I have a character who has the power to make plants grow. Its an Aura that can effect plants within 5 feet of her and make them grow very visibly, produce buds and even flowers for flowring plants. She can switch it on and off at will, swithing it on cause her eyes, and the affected plants to glow slightly, something that could be missed in bright sunlight but would be obvious in dimmer light.

    The efect does not give her any speicifc control of the plants, so she can't make them move or create entagling vines, unless she happens to affect a plant that grows that way naturally, and even then while the growth is visible it woudl not be fast enough to actually entrap someone unless they where already imobilised.

    I'm expecting this to be a fairly low level power.
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    • konzill wrote: So I have a character who has the power to make plants grow. Its an Aura that can effect plants within 5 feet of her and make them grow very visibly, produce buds and even flowers for flowring plants. She can switch it on and off at will, swithing it on cause her eyes, and the affected plants to glow slightly, something that could be missed in bright sunlight but would be obvious in dimmer light.

    The efect does not give her any speicifc control of the plants, so she can't make them move or create entagling vines, unless she happens to affect a plant that grows that way naturally, and even then while the growth is visible it woudl not be fast enough to actually entrap someone unless they where already imobilised.

    I'm expecting this to be a fairly low level power.


    Probably a energizer. Adding energy and power to plants.
    A subtle aria of effect form as opposed to the blasty effects the term usually is applied to but much the same.
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    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #3 by Rose Bunny
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    • assuming it's not magic-based?
    Blackrose is a manifester, but she creates the plants she uses.

    Thorn has a similar power to what you are describing, with the side effect that the plants end up growing thorns... hmm... a carrot with thorns. His power is probably related to being Sidhe (?), so it may be a form of magic.
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    7 years 10 months ago #4 by Malady
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    • Reminds of Earth Mother now that I think of it...

    Could be an Avatar of a plant spirit, to get plant manipulation powers...

    This power is not easily definable in the Whateley system due to not having many mental bio-manipulation stuff...
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    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #5 by Katssun
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    • Rosalyn Dekkard (aka Blackrose) and Flower are both manifestors.

    Ros specifically heterodynes with the plants she's near to make them grow faster in addition to manifesting thorny plants, I think Flower is a pure manifestor.
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    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #6 by konzill
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    • Since I posted I was also toying with making it a warper effect. and saying that she actually changes how plant biology works in her vicinity to allow rapid, growth and out of season blooming, and even a bit of time acceleration, whcih allows plants to age faster.

    The testers having worked this one by observing that annuals still only blossom once in her vicinity, even if they can go thorugh their life cycle in a couple of minutes instead of a full year. Also the nutriants that fuel the plant growth don't come from the surrounding soil, and don't appear to come from her. Fun fact I just made up, even though she looks perfectly normal, her cells have become mroe plantlike internally, and her bones are now made of wood, meaning that her power also gives her

    warper 1rtb
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    • A few things I wonder about, you mention that the plants grow and that the materials and nutrients do not appear to come from the near environment or herself, In the WA universe it is my understanding that nothing comes for free. From crazy dietary needs to ecological collapse from Fey's drawing massive amounts of essence quickly. Where does the energy and resources for this visible growth come from?

    Her plantish cells and woodlike bones would make her an exemplar in that her functional biology is different from base humanity. Maybe an Exemplar 0 or 1 if she is not physically impressive, or EX 3 max human levels in which regeneration starts to become more common Regen 1.

    Would her plant growth just be a limited form of healing (plant only) that she can use on herself because of her new biology?
    With a Plantish biology how does it affect her hormones? her emotional state? what she eats and how? I'm getting a vision of her stomach and intestines functioning like that of a Pitcher plant. With its limitations like slow digestion, limited kinds of food it can digest. :sick:

    Is she to be an Underdog? Maybe Oak might find her appealing.
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    7 years 10 months ago #8 by konzill
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    • Thats why I decided to make her a warper. Energisers and wizards may follow conservation of energy rules, but Warpers and manifesters don't. Technically neather do devisors, they can create devises that break these rules too.

    Yes her digestion would be slow, but remember that her warper ability accelerates plant matebolism, end result is that physiclaly she preforms at a human level, even though her plant based cells ought to be substantially slower.

    This is actually minor character in the story I'm working on and I have no intention of her being sent to Whateley. She looks perfectly normal, and can pass as a baseline to any casual observation. Her powers are minor usual under control, not dangerous even if she does slip up. She has a supportive family, and goes to a school which has an open policy of accepting mutants.

    I imagine her more as having internal GSD then being an exemplar.
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    • Manifestors do follow the rules, actually. You just aren't clear on where they're sourcing their energy. Manifesting is mainly a PSI oriented ability. They use their ability to allow spirit realm 'goo' ... ectoplasm... to seep through into the physical world. Ectoplasm is basically unstable energy dense enough to appear as matter... and as it stabilizes, it shakes itself down into simple elements - mostly hydrogen, but some nitrogen, oxygen, even some traces of carbon... which then drifts away in gaseous form.

    But then, the Manifestor applies their Psychic talent to it, imposing stability and structure into it. Some can only impose a temporary stability, but while its stable they can make it do and look like anything... others can make the objects 'real' and solid, as strong as the toughest materials on Earth and stay stable as long as they want it to.

    (consider also that Shifting and Regen/Healing could both be Organic focused Manifesting).

    Warpers... often follow the rules as well, when it comes to conservation of energy. After all, they often aren't expending energy to do what they do... they're just changing which 'universes' physics that something is affected by. The only Warpers that don't follow the conservation of energy are those which change what universe they 'follow' for purposes of thermodynamics.


    Personally, I'd go with Manifesting or an Avatar spirit ...
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    • Time dilation might also work.
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    • konzill wrote: Thats why I decided to make her a warper. Energisers and wizards may follow conservation of energy rules, but Warpers and manifesters don't. Technically neather do devisors, they can create devises that break these rules too.

    Yes her digestion would be slow, but remember that her warper ability accelerates plant matebolism, end result is that physiclaly she preforms at a human level, even though her plant based cells ought to be substantially slower.

    This is actually minor character in the story I'm working on and I have no intention of her being sent to Whateley. She looks perfectly normal, and can pass as a baseline to any casual observation. Her powers are minor usual under control, not dangerous even if she does slip up. She has a supportive family, and goes to a school which has an open policy of accepting mutants.

    I imagine her more as having internal GSD then being an exemplar.

    does she have blood or chlorophyl?
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    • Shipping her with Oak ? They're both plant people...
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    • Malady wrote: Shipping her with Oak ? They're both plant people...


    "Oak, not now... I can't, I'm blooming... you you might pollenate me"
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    • konzill wrote: Thats why I decided to make her a warper. Energisers and wizards may follow conservation of energy rules, but Warpers and manifesters don't. Technically neather do devisors, they can create devises that break these rules too.


    Energy isn't necessarily a problem for Energizers. Energizers eat more but that isn't the source of there power more of a side effect. Or it might be that controlling the power is what burns the calories. As your character isn't actively controlling the power that shouldn't be an issue.

    "Energizers can tap into the Earth's electromagnetic field and store it in their body to discharge as they want. This effect is limited to electro-magnetic forces, but the phenomenon is very versatile."
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    • Rose Bunny wrote:

    Malady wrote: Shipping her with Oak ? They're both plant people...


    "Oak, not now... I can't, I'm blooming... you you might pollenate me"


    As Jobe watches on in creepy academic fascination...
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    • NJM1564 wrote: Energy isn't necessarily a problem for Energizers. Energizers eat more but that isn't the source of there power more of a side effect. Or it might be that controlling the power is what burns the calories. As your character isn't actively controlling the power that shouldn't be an issue.

    "Energizers can tap into the Earth's electromagnetic field and store it in their body to discharge as they want. This effect is limited to electro-magnetic forces, but the phenomenon is very versatile."
    http://whateleyacademy.net/index.php/backstory/20-powers-classifications


    The problem with that is that the Earth magnetic feild is just too weak. I seem to recall that mythbusters did this one. and it required a ridiciolously long conducter to power an am/fm radio. Also it would follow that if you get enough energisers into a small area, like say the Whateley Campus they should end up competing, as there is only so much magnetic field energy available and they are all trying to draw it in.


    And for Warpers. When Ayla goes goes solid inside something the matter thats in the way disapears. Where does it go? Its certainly not released as energy, that would be rather explosive.
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    • Ayla is a dimensional warper, displaced matter gets shunted extra-dimensionally.
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    • Not sure if anyone has suggested this yet, but if all they do is make plants grow it could just be a specialised healer talent.
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    • ^ - What 'is' the Healer trait? Is it it's own little category, given more out of effect than cause?

    Or is a type of PSI or something? Converting psychic force into bloodflow force , nutrient movement, etc, works as a concept.
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Not sure if anyone has suggested this yet, but if all they do is make plants grow it could just be a specialised healer talent.

    Is that really 'healing' though? healing is restoring something to a state of full health, this would be pushing something beyond its normal health and accelerating growth to a new level.
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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Time dilation might also work.

    It could help, but it wouldn't be enough on its own to explain the effect. If you accelerate time in a bubble around the plant so that a year passes in a minute, that will give the plant plenty of time to grow, but it doesn't provide the year's worth of resources it will need to do so. It'll still only have a minute's worth of sunlight, ground water, and fresh air to work with. And to make matters worse, that sunlight might be redshifted pretty hard, depending on how the time dilation effect works. To get a year in a minute, you need to multiply the flow of time by about half a million, which is enough to shift gamma rays down to visible light, and visible light down to UHF radio.

    Point is, you could use time dilation to give the plant time to grow naturally, but you'd still need to provide it with energy and raw materials somehow.
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    • Which is why I recommended Manifesting. Or Healing, if you working from the principle that Regen/Healing are specialized variations of Manifesting. In this case, all the necessary resources to accelerate the growth of the plant are supplied via an ectoplasm draw through the Veil from the spirit realms... and then you can go one of two directions... either 'boosted growth' by providing am excess of resources to the plant (converting the ectoplasm into super-rich soil, and warm moist carbon dioxide heavy atmosphere)... or you can go the route of Regen/Shifting and use the genetic code of the plant as your source template to impose on the ectoplasm, directly 'growing' the plant by manifesting additional cells, fibers, etc...
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    • konzill wrote:

    NJM1564 wrote: Energy isn't necessarily a problem for Energizers. Energizers eat more but that isn't the source of there power more of a side effect. Or it might be that controlling the power is what burns the calories. As your character isn't actively controlling the power that shouldn't be an issue.

    "Energizers can tap into the Earth's electromagnetic field and store it in their body to discharge as they want. This effect is limited to electro-magnetic forces, but the phenomenon is very versatile."
    http://whateleyacademy.net/index.php/backstory/20-powers-classifications


    The problem with that is that the Earth magnetic feild is just too weak. I seem to recall that mythbusters did this one. and it required a ridiciolously long conducter to power an am/fm radio. Also it would follow that if you get enough energisers into a small area, like say the Whateley Campus they should end up competing, as there is only so much magnetic field energy available and they are all trying to draw it in.


    Even if isn't possible that is the official definition of a energizer. So ether it is possible in the Whateleyverse or the definition page needs updating. Probably both.
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    • In answer to the question, Drs. Hewley and Aranis came up with a new power classification:

    the Miracle-Gro (TM) rating.

    (if you don't get it, look it up)
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    • elrodw wrote: In answer to the question, Drs. Hewley and Aranis came up with a new power classification:

    the Miracle-Gro (TM) rating.

    (if you don't get it, look it up)


    but what about the weed-be-gone rating?
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