Question How would Whateley handle a pregnant student?

Pretty much like it says, what would the school's response be?

Would that response be different depending on the student's situation? Accidental pregnancy vs. a case of rape, violent or otherwise? What if the incident that caused the pregnancy happened off campus but wasn't discovered until school started up again?

~Archangel~ wrote: Pretty much like it says, what would the school's response be?

Would that response be different depending on the student's situation? Accidental pregnancy vs. a case of rape, violent or otherwise? What if the incident that caused the pregnancy happened off campus but wasn't discovered until school started up again?

Since having sex, except under certain circumstances, is against the rules and an expellable offense, likely the student would be expelled if she got pregnant during the school year. (A student that was raped, or subject to Sara's lust aura would probably not be expelled.)

*Ahem* I have not read the bible yet so this is not a WOG post

Depends on the circumstances and "needs of the story".

I doubt the official stories will deal with something like this, so I suspect a "WOG" answer will not be forthcoming.

Adding to Valentines answer, if it happened on a holiday, technically it would also be an expelling offence, however Carson would probably rules lawyer it away as not occurring on school grounds or the regular school year.
As for the expelling, Carson would probably expel the student/s for a short time, until the pregnancy was completed and then allow the student to reapply. With suitable arrangements made for the baby, having a a baby in the dorm would be a big no.

Interesting speculation. I wonder HOW we'd handle it. Hmmmm - gotta start thinking now.

Would you like a WOG response?

Okay, here you go:

You're asking the wrong question.

With all that we have shown you about the lack of impulse control in exemplars, about the statements of the mental diseases that they suffer from with Galahad syndrome and Hercules syndrome, about how the teen pregnancy rate of mutants is significantly higher than the normal average, you're all missing the point.

The question is not how would Whateley handle a teen pregnancy.

The question you should be asking is why are there not any pregnant teens at Whateley now? Because there aren't any.

That's been discussed a fair bit.
I think the general consensus was there is an anti-conception spell either on the school, the students or something the students use regularly.
My bet is on the beads that students use to access the tunnels.

It's the Bromide in the water...

oops, was I supposed to mention that??

elrodw wrote: Interesting speculation. I wonder HOW we'd handle it. Hmmmm - gotta start thinking now.

Oh great. Danny's gonna have kittens. Either that or Kayda's gonna have a calf and call him Troubadour.

E. E. Nalley wrote: Would you like a WOG response?

Okay, here you go:

You're asking the wrong question.

With all that we have shown you about the lack of impulse control in exemplars, about the statements of the mental diseases that they suffer from with Galahad syndrome and Hercules syndrome, about how the teen pregnancy rate of mutants is significantly higher than the normal average, you're all missing the point.

The question is not how would Whateley handle a teen pregnancy.

The question you should be asking is why are there not any pregnant teens at Whateley now? Because there aren't any.

But if the school is preventing the whole teen pregnancy by some means that is like dosing someone with contraceptives without their knowledge or consent. Even if the parents are informed of the deed in the contract between them and school, what about the families that are anti-contraceptive due to religious or moral reasons? Also the fact that no student has picked up on it, with all the scary smart kids there, that argues for some kind of mental manipulation to keep people from noticing it and asking questions.

I wonder if the side effect of messing with students in that way might explain the high levels of violence seen by some students. Law of Unintended Consequence? Which in turn why some students get a pass by Carson when they act out.

Mind control, dosing people without their consent, sounds sinister. I wonder if the faculty would even be in on it, if it exists at all.

Well if it's just a choice the Cannon Cabal made for sake of story, I can respect that. This issue and the complications that comes with it is guaranteed to piss someone off no matter how it's handled. I was going to use a pregnant student as a throwaway NPC to explain a change in roomates but I started wondering how would the school handle it.

Expulsion seemed like the answer but it felt to harsh for all situations. Anyways thanks all.

And perhaps its not them doing it, but something else is preventing it?

For if it was magical in one way then they wouldn't be so concerned in teens having sex. They know kids experiment with it and go far more than they intend but what if it's something else that's preventing it naturally.

That's just speculation on my part. They warn the kids and then there's summer vacation for the next semester. What's to prevent them from getting pregnant then and returning back to school?

Obviously, they've got some background hex or technology in place to enforce the status quo, much like how every changeling gets mind-whammied to enjoy their change of sex.

Or it's like the various fantasy books that have widespread sexual liberation with no consequence, i.e. A Wizard Did It and you shouldn't think about it because the author doesn't consider it important.

The canon authors said in a previous thread that the school unofficially provides ready access to mundane contraceptives and birth control for those who want it, so long as it's all done in a plausibly deniable sort of way.

~Archangel~ wrote: But if the school is preventing the whole teen pregnancy by some means that is like dosing someone with contraceptives without their knowledge or consent.

Whateley is already a soup of psychic and magic effects. Walk through campus, and without your knowledge or consent you'll be hit by effects that check if you're hostile, make you ignore certain doors, make you forget that weird stuff you saw near Poe, make you think Fey is hot, and who knows what else.

~Archangel~ wrote: Even if the parents are informed of the deed in the contract between them and school, what about the families that are anti-contraceptive due to religious or moral reasons?

Whateley is a private school; it's under no obligation to give a shit. Those parents are free to send their kids to some other school if they don't like how Whateley does things.

~Archangel~ wrote: Also the fact that no student has picked up on it, with all the scary smart kids there, that argues for some kind of mental manipulation to keep people from noticing it and asking questions.

Perhaps the scary smart kids who realized what is going on also realized that it's in their best interest to keep their mouths shut and enjoy it?

Of course, if we really want a crazy theory, we could go for that part of the school's power source isn't actually a fusion reactor, but rather the souls of the unborn, routinely ripped away and made use of, the supply of which is encouraged by the lax policies and tendency to look the other way as the kids fool around. The contraceptives being distributed are specifically gimmicked not to work so as to maintain the flow of souls.

FuzzyBoots wrote: Of course, if we really want a crazy theory, we could go for that part of the school's power source isn't actually a fusion reactor, but rather the souls of the unborn, routinely ripped away and made use of, the supply of which is encouraged by the lax policies and tendency to look the other way as the kids fool around. The contraceptives being distributed are specifically gimmicked not to work so as to maintain the flow of souls.

Yeesh, and I thought the canon authors had some pretty disturbing ideas...

Kettlekorn wrote: Perhaps the scary smart kids who realized what is going on also realized that it's in their best interest to keep their mouths shut and enjoy it?

Up to a point, that argues for a background spell amongst the many wards in and around the campus. By the time some budding wizard learns to recognize the spell(s) being used, they may also have a good idea what might be invited into the world via a pregnancy. Anchored psionic compulsions might be seen the same way by the Pyschic Arts students and staff. Even so, birth control pills, depot injections, and devices would still be useful to take some of the strain off their wards.

Not to mention that pregnant bystanders, male, female, or other, are very unlikely to mix well with brick fights.

Plus, there are some places that incompletely-tested devises simply do not need to go. The fewer devisors encouraged toward a pioneering effort, the happier everyone would likely be.

Certainly I have long believed that there is a serious mental misdirection component in the Poe wards to keep other students from cottoning on to the secret. I could see the same thing being attached to an anti-pregnancy charm.

Considering all the magical, class-X, and generally weird influences on Whateley, I would imagine that any Whateley pregnancies would be at a high risk for magical birth defects or worse.

NeoMagus wrote:

FuzzyBoots wrote: Of course, if we really want a crazy theory, we could go for that part of the school's power source isn't actually a fusion reactor, but rather the souls of the unborn, routinely ripped away and made use of, the supply of which is encouraged by the lax policies and tendency to look the other way as the kids fool around. The contraceptives being distributed are specifically gimmicked not to work so as to maintain the flow of souls.

Yeesh, and I thought the canon authors had some pretty disturbing ideas...

Oh no, Neo, I haven't shown you my disturbing ones yet...

Astrodragon wrote:

NeoMagus wrote:

FuzzyBoots wrote: Of course, if we really want a crazy theory, we could go for that part of the school's power source isn't actually a fusion reactor, but rather the souls of the unborn, routinely ripped away and made use of, the supply of which is encouraged by the lax policies and tendency to look the other way as the kids fool around. The contraceptives being distributed are specifically gimmicked not to work so as to maintain the flow of souls.

Yeesh, and I thought the canon authors had some pretty disturbing ideas...

Oh no, Neo, I haven't shown you my disturbing ones yet...

Besides, that concept has already been done. Well, not exactly, but close enough for government work.

E. E. Nalley wrote: Would you like a WOG response?

Okay, here you go:

You're asking the wrong question.

With all that we have shown you about the lack of impulse control in exemplars, about the statements of the mental diseases that they suffer from with Galahad syndrome and Hercules syndrome, about how the teen pregnancy rate of mutants is significantly higher than the normal average, you're all missing the point.

The question is not how would Whateley handle a teen pregnancy.

The question you should be asking is why are there not any pregnant teens at Whateley now? Because there aren't any.

I have to say that I don't see it as that odd. I can only remember one or two pregnancies in my school in the four years I was there. A school five or six times the size of Whateley. This was some twenty years before the stories.

Now add in that perhaps 10% of the girls can't have sex, Puppet, Angel, Musk, Light Lass, Diz, or aren't physically mature enough. Another 10-20% are lesbians. The easy access to birth control, and possibly some magical factors.

I would put it that the Impostor Syndrome (look it up) helps to hide the contraception spells/devise fields/drugs in the water/whatever. The kids smart enough to think about this statistically are also smart enough to use contraception themselves. Then Impostor Syndrome (the reverse of the Dunning-Kruger effect) kicks in; the smart kids don't regard using contraception as anything particularly smart, just commonsense -- and assume that everyone else is *also* taking precautions.

FuzzyBoots wrote: Obviously, they've got some background hex or technology in place to enforce the status quo, much like how every changeling gets mind-whammied to enjoy their change of sex.

Or it's like the various fantasy books that have widespread sexual liberation with no consequence, i.e. A Wizard Did It and you shouldn't think about it because the author doesn't consider it important.

Uhm Ayla doesn't like being intersexed or apparently female.

Jobe doesn't like the gender-change
Danny hates the idea.
Reach wouldn't like it if it didn't come with a bunch of bennies.
Don't think that Folder is thrilled with the situation.

Tennyo is pretty ambivalent and confused.
Knockoff isn't really upset, but wasn't thrilled at the sex change.
Lily's mom was not happy and very confused at first.

I wonder if the WOG hint E.E. gave us is related to the lack of response to my micro-scene involving Cobalt, Diamanta, and Cascade (well, except for Sir Lee pointing out that there was a continuity error in me putting a previously-unmentioned member of the Tanaka family in Poe)? Probably not, but it would stroke my ego to think that this was the reason for it's poor reception, rather than admit that it wasn't a very good piece...

I keeping playing around in my head with this follow-up scene where Mokele' gets all up in Cobalt's face for not owning up to his responsibilities as the father of Kelly's child, but it never quite came together.

Knockoff and Danny don't count, as they haven't come to Whateley yet, and therefore haven't been whammied by the hypothetical "like your assigned gender" spell.

But you can add Zenith to the list of unhappy gender benders.

Getting back to the subject, ignoring what the SCHOOL and administration would do, how do you think such a RELUCTANT gender-bender would feel about being pregnant? Or would you imagine there's also a spell for "not only love your gender change, but also love being an incipient mommy?"

Its even less popular in G2. Of course, I guess getting to be the Avatar of a fertility spirit might help...;P

Astrodragon wrote: Its even less popular in G2. Of course, I guess getting to be the Avatar of a fertility spirit might help...;P

Hush! Remember you're not supposed to talk about the things I'm going to do to Danny when his spirit gets lost battling Unhcegila!!

Oooopppps! (hand wave) You did NOT hear anything about Danny or a fertility goddess! You KNOW that I'm going to be nice to Danny! You want to go home and rethink your lives!

(I think I got away with the slip of the tongue!)

Well, there were concerns of self-impregnantion with Circuit Breaker... There are also ways to do it with Shifters...

How might Danny do it? Hmm... Self impreg due to Rosie Palms Date for semen?? + Caught with Pants Down to embarrassed turn into girl-form? ... I think I'm gonna mentally run through every preg trope with Danny, except the obvious ones, cause those'd be boring. ... That sounds like it'd have high potential of being disturbing. ... So I'll quit while I'm ahead? ...

...Do all Fertility gods have Lust Auras?

If Cat/catgirl form = preg... Danny = Mr. Seahorse?

Thank this for inspiration? tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/RanmaOneHalf

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Schol-R-LEA - Replied to your comment about your Scene in the Micros' Discussion Thread

E.E. Nalley wrote: The question you should be asking is why are there not any pregnant teens at Whateley now? Because there aren't any.

I've always run on the idea that one of the wards that Whateley has is something akin to the rule in "Teenagers from Outer Space" which pretty much states "If a player tries to have sex in-game, something hilarious stops them". The ward can be overcome if the participants try hard enough (which explains all the canonical shenanigans) and those who would be looking for a sign that they shouldn't go through with it, use the interruption as a reason. This particular ward was decided upon as a compromise, as an outright conception ward made certain parts of the Whateley Trustees rather upset, yet the outright refusal of something stopping teenagers from screwing made the other members of the Trustees upset.

As for why there isn't any pregnant students? Two Words. Captain Courage. I'm sure that Capcon is used as an example as to why protecting yourself against pregnancy/genetic copyright infringement is a good idea in the same way Power Pork is used as an example for avoiding collateral damage when possible. To quote many Workshop Safety posters "If you cannot serve as a role model, you will serve as an example"

(Heyyyy that's a pretty good idea for some fanfic characters. Since Mutant+Mutant = near 100% chance of mutant offspring, Captain Courages children should be showing up at Whateley at some point, if not already there. They meet and decide to form a Nemesis Team,dedicated to tracking down their father and harassing him. They don't want him dead. After all, dead men can't pay their debts.)

psht! Where's the fun in that? Now hunky exemplar boy meets foxy exemplar girl, there's sparks flying everywhere, they're looking around for someplace to get their mookie on and

"OH SHIT! You're my half-SISTER?"

Bek D Corbin wrote: psht! Where's the fun in that? Now hunky exemplar boy meets foxy exemplar girl, there's sparks flying everywhere, they're looking around for someplace to get their mookie on and

"OH SHIT! You're my half-SISTER?"

Bonus points if it was the foxy girl who said it.

You do have to wonder about Batman and Catwoman Halloween night.