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Question The MCO - Powers and Authority

7 years 11 months ago #1 by Iwasforger03
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    • What are the full known powers and authority of the MCO in Gen 1?

    What are the full known powers and authority of the MCO in Gen 2?

    How big are the differences? (I have just begun reading gen 2, and noticed a few... questionable moves by the MCO compared to what I had thought I understood about their authority)

    MCO is a non-government entity. In gen 1, they do not have ANY authority (outside of issuing an MID and conducting the requisite testing to issue one) unless specifically contracted by a government agency to assist or manage an investigation or incident, I believe? Or can they act in a confirmed case of a mutant breaking the law without having to be called in, but anybody from cops up to DARPA can override that in the USA?

    I know a lot of cases where they make someone vanish is because they got away with overstepping authority to take custody of a mutant without cause because most people simply don't actually know what their authority IS.

    In Gen 2, so far we have the MCO shutting down flights out of New York on a tip, without specific information at that. To me that seems a major change from their authority in Gen 1.
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    7 years 11 months ago #2 by Valentine
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    • In Gen 1 they also had authority to screen mutants at airports, like the TSA does for everyone else.
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    • You're misunderstanding the airport shutdown in G2.
    The MCO did not authorise the shutdown. That was done by the FAA on receipt of a 'credible' threat warning from the MCO.
    The FAA plays these things safe - when they get a warning from a credible agency, they act.
    But the MCO does not have authority to close down air traffic.

    Also, in G2 at least, you are going to see considerable differences in different countries regarding MCO actions and attitudes.
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    • In Gen 1, you're mostly seeing the tail end of a "things have been getting bad and the MCO is getting push back from US officials and other agencies" move. If things continue to move in that direction, the MCO would have some if not all of its charter revoked and there would be some significant movement forward for mutant rights. So, to some extent, in Gen 1 characters there's an almost universal distrust of the MCO in mutant and mutant friendly characters... and people like to see the MCO get their plans disrupted, and are happily surprised when someone in MCO colors turns out to be a good guy.

    Clearly... something happened between where you are now in Gen 1... and where Gen 2 begins. Because in Gen 2, not only are things 'not' better... the MCO has gained MORE power in the US and not in a good way. There are some specific events that are part of this... some have been alluded to and you'll get more details on some or all of them as Gen 2 continues. We do show that some places outside the US have told the MCO to take a hike, but ya... the MCO and H1 have got human rights looking somewhat 'dark'. More on that as the plotline develops. :)
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    7 years 11 months ago #5 by E. E. Nalley
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    • So, the MCO. Let's see.

    First and foremost the MCO is what is referred to as a NGO, a Non-Governmental Organization. They are somewhat like UNICEF or the World Health Organization which are also international NGOs. The Red Cross/Red Crescent are other examples.

    The MCO has as much power as their charter for the individal nation allows. In the US, they issue MIDs, do some expert testimony, powers testing and other periphery stuff. And, here's the kicker, AS MUCH MORE AS THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH.

    :evil:

    They have no police powers in Gen 1 beyond any citizen. Rather like a bounty hunter. And like a bounty hunter they actively cultivate the appearance they ARE police and have special powers, without actually lieing about it. Then came Fullerton, and things changed somewhat.

    Now in say Zambia, the MCO might be something like the national police force, but this varies from country to country. And while the MCO isn't in the business of propping up the local Junta in the third world, it is never far from the back of their minds that three times so far mutants have gone nation building.

    And power is power after all...
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    7 years 11 months ago #6 by Iwasforger03
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    • I'm guessing you aren't going to explain Fullerton?
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    7 years 11 months ago #7 by E. E. Nalley
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: I'm guessing you aren't going to explain Fullerton?


    That would be telling...

    A good story...for another time...

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    7 years 11 months ago #8 by Iwasforger03
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    • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Iwasforger03 wrote: I'm guessing you aren't going to explain Fullerton?


    That would be telling...

    A good story...for another time...

    A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father...

    :evil:


    Getting your universes mixed up a bit there Nalley.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote:
    Getting your universes mixed up a bit there Nalley.


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    7 years 11 months ago #10 by E. E. Nalley
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    • JG wrote:

    Iwasforger03 wrote:
    Getting your universes mixed up a bit there Nalley.


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    Couldn't I have just a little bit of peril?

    :evil:
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    • JG wrote:

    Iwasforger03 wrote:
    Getting your universes mixed up a bit there Nalley.


    Don't you oppress him!


    "Help! Help! He's being repressed!"

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    • It's all about funding

    Here's my summation Gen 1 The MCO is sponsored by a powerful rich family with a global interest, their contributions to the MCO were more spread out, even if they were greater over all

    Gen 2, The MCO is sponsored by a slightly less powerful rich family with a primary interest in the US, as a result, outside the US the MCO is struggling to remind people they exist, but IN the US, at least in some states, they are more powerful than ever.

    Fullerton whatever happened there was just a catalyst
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    • E. E. Nalley wrote: Couldn't I have just a little bit of peril?:evil:

    It shouldn't be that hard, Peril probably let bits of himself spread all over campus. But not from the notorious confrontation with Ayla, the "Peril bits" in that were fake.
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    • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Iwasforger03 wrote: I'm guessing you aren't going to explain Fullerton?


    That would be telling...

    A good story...for another time...

    A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father...

    :evil:


    -cracks up picturing Nick Senior as Vader confronting Charger as Luke-
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    • mhalpern wrote: Fullerton whatever happened there was just a catalyst


    Consider the existence of the Department of Homeland Security. The Patriot Act. War in Iraq and Afghanistan. The 'popular' opinion about Muslims. Everything that has happened in the US as a result of the hijacked planes on 9/11.

    Now imagine that instead of a couple thousand... it was... more. A lot more. And the root cause wasn't a foreign enemy with whom we could go to war... it was someone who could be your neighbor. You own kids. Even if you treated your kids like gods, spoiled them rotten... they could manifest an uncontrollable power that could kill you, along with thousands... if not millions. Make the meltdown at Chernobyl seem like a small blip in a damaged ecosystem. And that's the good kids. With all the kids disconnecting from social settings, playing their games and being on their phones all the time... how hard is it to imagine some kid manifesting and going on a rampage?

    Suddenly, the MCO doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Sure, maybe they DO disappear some kids and have some agents who go over the line... but... maybe its ok if we waterboard some terrorists if it prevents another 9/11 right? maybe its ok if one or two questionable kids with powers that we don't understand get sent to a lab somewhere.

    That's Fullerton. Would the specific details help you understand more? Maybe... but the 'truth' of Fullerton doesn't matter nearly as much as how the 'aftermath' of it was handled. EVERYONE knows about Fullerton. Everyone knows mutants were involved and there was horrible destruction and loss of life. Very, very few know what really happened. And if some of what really happened becomes public and is believed...well... there are a whole lot of people in power who will do everything they can to prevent that coming about. ;)
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    • "Representative, your constituents are wondering what you intend to do about keeping them safe, to prevent another Fullerton. This is the third call we've gotten this week."

    "Anything related from the email contact form?"

    "I'm not sure...we deleted them all as usual."

    "Right. What do my polling numbers look like? It's an election year."

    "Average, voter engagement is down, though your core base should re-elect you, but it might be close depending on if your opponent gets enough funding from anti-mutant groups."

    "Oh, I suppose I should release a statement denouncing superpowered violence."

    "I'll have one typed up to hand to the local papers and news stations. By the way, your 10 o'clock is here. Agent Johnson from the MCO has a proposal that he introduced to Representative Donnovan last week, wondering if you'd be willing to cosponsor."
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    • I have the sudden sneaking suspicion that Fullerton wasn't mutants. Fullerton was GOO. Fullerton was what happened when somebody let something in. The only explanation anybody could find was offered by the MCO. "It was mutants. We have proof." They did have evidence. Evidence was enough. AFterall, the people "accepting" that evidence in the higherups of government knew the truth. They needed a scapegoat. They needed someone to blame. The MCO handed them mutants on a silverplatter. Maybe it even WAS mutants. But it wasn't Mutants how the MCO says it was. That isn't the point though.

    People are invested in making sure everyone believes Fullerton was mutants. It has to be mutants. If they knew what really happened, they wouldn't just remove us from power, they'd kill us. Roast us alive. The mutants would rise up in revolt too. IF they knew they were innocent... if everyone knew it wasn't them... we can't afford to let the MCO lose power. We NEED the MCO now. We're all in one bed together. God he... no. No, God won't help us with this. This wasn't an act of God. This... no.
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    • You mean... it was something like Maggie Walsh heading the DRI into messing with stuff that shouldn't be messed with? And therefore, an U.S. government secret program was responsible for bringing forth some Mythos abomination that killed untold many citizens? And now everybody in the government is in CYA mode and, when the MCO offered mutants as a scapegoat, they were only too eager to accept it?

    You know, makes a lot of sense...
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    • Sir Lee wrote: You mean... it was something like Maggie Walsh heading the DRI into messing with stuff that shouldn't be messed with? And therefore, an U.S. government secret program was responsible for bringing forth some Mythos abomination that killed untold many citizens? And now everybody in the government is in CYA mode and, when the MCO offered mutants as a scapegoat, they were only too eager to accept it?

    You know, makes a lot of sense...


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    • So Billie and Jade were in Fullerton, and Billie ate some spicy Thai food that made her burp, and a wee bit of antimatter got loose?
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    • Sir Lee wrote: You mean... it was something like Maggie Walsh heading the DRI into messing with stuff that shouldn't be messed with? And therefore, an U.S. government secret program was responsible for bringing forth some Mythos abomination that killed untold many citizens? And now everybody in the government is in CYA mode and, when the MCO offered mutants as a scapegoat, they were only too eager to accept it?

    You know, makes a lot of sense...


    Yeah, something like that is my thinking.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: I have the sudden sneaking suspicion that Fullerton wasn't mutants.


    We haven't even published the 'so-called' facts yet and we already have speculation it was a false flag operation! This is awesome! It's like having 9/11 'Truthers' a year before! hehehe!

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    • The First Rule about Fullerton is that you don't talk about Fullerton...:P
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    • The thing is without a funding boost the powers and responsibilities the MCO got from Fullerton would have gone to the DPA, it should have too, ER is far more vocal and powerful in Gen 2, H1 is far weaker, from what we have seen at least. Fullerton isn't the whole story, they may have more legal power, but I think that they are politically on a tighter leash from the public, people are waiting for them to screw up and they are under scrutiny.
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    • mhalpern wrote: The thing is without a funding boost the powers and responsibilities the MCO got from Fullerton would have gone to the DPA, it should have too, ER is far more vocal and powerful in Gen 2, H1 is far weaker, from what we have seen at least. Fullerton isn't the whole story, they may have more legal power, but I think that they are politically on a tighter leash from the public, people are waiting for them to screw up and they are under scrutiny.


    Riiiight... because the public has such a tight leash on the assholes in the real world government ... there's no possible way something could happen that would get 'patriots' even more rallied behind a single angry message?
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    • Kristin Darken wrote:

    mhalpern wrote: The thing is without a funding boost the powers and responsibilities the MCO got from Fullerton would have gone to the DPA, it should have too, ER is far more vocal and powerful in Gen 2, H1 is far weaker, from what we have seen at least. Fullerton isn't the whole story, they may have more legal power, but I think that they are politically on a tighter leash from the public, people are waiting for them to screw up and they are under scrutiny.


    Riiiight... because the public has such a tight leash on the assholes in the real world government ... there's no possible way something could happen that would get 'patriots' even more rallied behind a single angry message?


    True, but those assholes don't have to be reelected, the way I see it, the MCO is being given rope, and part of the reason why they were allowed to be given so much before outrage started, is because it was generally figured "it's rope, maybe they will finally hang themselves with it" which given their general behavior, they seem to be in the process of doing that, the problem is, they were given so much that they are hanging innocents in the process.
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    • mhalpern wrote: The thing is without a funding boost the powers and responsibilities the MCO got from Fullerton would have gone to the DPA, it should have too, ER is far more vocal and powerful in Gen 2, H1 is far weaker, from what we have seen at least. Fullerton isn't the whole story, they may have more legal power, but I think that they are politically on a tighter leash from the public, people are waiting for them to screw up and they are under scrutiny.

    That's the same impression I got from the stories, in G1 the MCO was rather blantant in their violation and nobody dared to go after them (what were the repercussions for what they tried at Hell’s Kitchen? What about the time in Cincinnati when they tried to kidnap Silver Ghost? Hell even in the case of the illegal DFA it took Mr. Ty West's intervention to get the ball rolling), in G2 the DPA has the authority to override the MCO (or at least it was at the time of Rises the Sun), and the MCO is better to be on its best behaviour with anyone with a good lawyer (as stated in The Road To Whateley), even if they could get away with it it's not worth the trouble, and agents caught breaking the law get arrested (as seen in The Road To Whateley and Eisenmädel: Summer of my German Heritage).

    Their legal power might be greater than it was in G1, but their effective power is limited in the fact that the police/FBI/military have no intenction of letting it run unchecked as it did in the past.
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    • Those are good points. People jump the MCO's case MUCH faster in G2 than they do in G1.
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    • consider carefully just how many people are likely to be on the ball enough to CALL the DPA when they think the MCO will be involved.

    Consider how many people are going to be able to actually hold out against the MCO capture teams long enough for the DPA to get there.

    The answer is "Few and fewer: in order.
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    • Just looking at air travel, sure, the DPA might get called when the MCO is overstepping their bounds at LaGuardia, but would any bystander seeing an Exemplar-1 or Gadgeteer-1 harassed at say...Myrtle Beach International Airport call the DPA?

    No.

    They'd mutter to themselves that they're glad the mutant menace is being taken care of while checking their golf bag. Meanwhile the mutant at best misses their flight and at worst is never heard from again.
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    • Katssun wrote: Just looking at air travel, sure, the DPA might get called when the MCO is overstepping their bounds at LaGuardia, but would any bystander seeing an Exemplar-1 or Gadgeteer-1 harassed at say...Myrtle Beach International Airport call the DPA?

    No.

    They'd mutter to themselves that they're glad the mutant menace is being taken care of while checking their golf bag. Meanwhile the mutant at best misses their flight and at worst is never heard from again.


    The Mutant's employer may call the DPA to investigate, after the fact and if the last time they are seen (alive) they are being harassed by the MCO, that paints an ugly picture, its circumstantial but it is grounds for investigation, especially if they find it isn't the first time.
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    • Just ran across comments in Islands of the Sun... was Fullerton partially a case of a Diedricks?
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    • JG wrote: consider carefully just how many people are likely to be on the ball enough to CALL the DPA when they think the MCO will be involved.

    Consider how many people are going to be able to actually hold out against the MCO capture teams long enough for the DPA to get there.

    The answer is "Few and fewer: in order.


    Depends on if there is a hero team nearby, if there is, you call them, THEY contact the DPA and hold off the MCO, or hide you
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    • So basicallly the DPA needs to get their asses in gear and just take over the MCO's "responsibilities" wholesale, but since using the MCO is cheaper and more politically expedient for certain bank accounts...
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    • Valentine wrote: So Billie and Jade were in Fullerton, and Billie ate some spicy Thai food that made her burp, and a wee bit of antimatter got loose?


    It was Shine engendered Thai food. And It wasn't a burp. It was a far less lady like emission.

    Or someone tried to make a genetically engineered hybrid of Billy and whats the one who has to sit under the fans?
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    • NJM1564 wrote:

    Valentine wrote: So Billie and Jade were in Fullerton, and Billie ate some spicy Thai food that made her burp, and a wee bit of antimatter got loose?


    It was Shine engendered Thai food. And It wasn't a burp. It was a far less lady like emission.

    Or someone tried to make a genetically engineered hybrid of Billy and whats the one who has to sit under the fans?


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    • JG wrote: consider carefully just how many people are likely to be on the ball enough to CALL the DPA when they think the MCO will be involved.

    Consider how many people are going to be able to actually hold out against the MCO capture teams long enough for the DPA to get there.

    The answer is "Few and fewer: in order.

    Indeed, but my point is that the law enforcement agencies (or at least the FBI) and at least part of the military are NOT pleased about the MCO getting any misure of power back, they will NOT look the other way when they commit crimes and will try their best to keep it in check and possibly find a reason to strip it of its powers once again.

    I can see a PR war being fought between H1!, the MCO, the Saros family, etc. on one side and ER, the DPA, the FBI, part of the Military, the mutant community on the other. The power of the MCO is decided by those that makes the law, the politicians, and the politicians must keep those that vote for them happy or they risk losing their job, as long as those that vote are scared of mutants the MCO will keep its power so that the politicians can keep their job, so one side's spindoctors will try to keep it this way while the other side will try to change it. There's going to be a lot of pressure to not do anything that might give other side ammunitions, on both sides.
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    • mhalpern wrote:

    Katssun wrote: Just looking at air travel, sure, the DPA might get called when the MCO is overstepping their bounds at LaGuardia, but would any bystander seeing an Exemplar-1 or Gadgeteer-1 harassed at say...Myrtle Beach International Airport call the DPA?

    No.

    They'd mutter to themselves that they're glad the mutant menace is being taken care of while checking their golf bag. Meanwhile the mutant at best misses their flight and at worst is never heard from again.


    The Mutant's employer may call the DPA to investigate, after the fact and if the last time they are seen (alive) they are being harassed by the MCO, that paints an ugly picture, its circumstantial but it is grounds for investigation, especially if they find it isn't the first time.

    I agreed, it might not happen immediatly, but the people that wanted to be rid of the MCO in G1 still want it gone, the MCO might be able to bank on people's fears and push politicians to give it power but hasn't regained the good will of other players by any significant degree (if at all).

    After the Fool's Fight the MCO had presented itself as the experts on anything mutant related and therefore the best option for policing the mutant population, that reputation has gone the way of dodo at the time of G1. Now it's a matter of how many innocents get harmed before the hammer get brought down on the again. It's bound to happen, sooner or later.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: So basicallly the DPA needs to get their asses in gear and just take over the MCO's "responsibilities" wholesale, but since using the MCO is cheaper and more politically expedient for certain bank accounts...


    Actually The DPA might be cheaper, not all of their agents will have to go in power armor to apprehend a hostile super, its that they don't have anyone to bribe the politicians, or broadcast propaganda,
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    • The DPA can't really take over all the things that the MCO wants to claim is in its bailiwick simply because the US government doesn't work that way. Our departments and agencies that advocate and provide support for parts of the citizenship don't double as investigative or enforcement agencies. It's likely that the DPA would get authority for advocating, information services (research, data collection, analytics), registration and identification, and advisory/liaison capacity to law enforcement and/or the judicial system. But in the event of broken laws, violations, and penal system oversight, that's likely to fall to a special branch of an existing law enforcement... ATF maybe, or possibly federal marshals... I'm not sure. But its unlikely that the DPA would get to play both sides of the system - they'd either be the side that lifts up and supports paranormals or the side responsible for policing / handling troublemakers.
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: The DPA can't really take over all the things that the MCO wants to claim is in its bailiwick simply because the US government doesn't work that way. Our departments and agencies that advocate and provide support for parts of the citizenship don't double as investigative or enforcement agencies. It's likely that the DPA would get authority for advocating, information services (research, data collection, analytics), registration and identification, and advisory/liaison capacity to law enforcement and/or the judicial system. But in the event of broken laws, violations, and penal system oversight, that's likely to fall to a special branch of an existing law enforcement... ATF maybe, or possibly federal marshals... I'm not sure. But its unlikely that the DPA would get to play both sides of the system - they'd either be the side that lifts up and supports paranormals or the side responsible for policing / handling troublemakers.


    Still they can contact and joint op, they advocate paranormals, so they would be the Goverment Organization experts until the special branch is formed. Advocacy also means protection, and that means if something happens to a Mutant, they get to call the others for help as appropriate.
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    • I doubt the DPA would be cheaper, actually. MCO has TONS of private Funding. Even if the DPA only took over the "support paranormals" portion of the MCO wholesale, that would still entail a significant increase in manpower and equipment and facilities and etc. Which would come out of the government's pocket instead of private funding.

    The same would happen in the Federal Marshals, the ATF, or the FBI took over the "suppression/crime" portion of the MCO's docket. IT would require a massive increase in funding and manpower, etc.

    Still, I do agree. While the politicians are supporting the MCO for now, the FBI and other agencies are very much probably NOT happy to have these guys in their backyards...

    Say, have we heard about the Knights of Purity in Gen 2 yet? Cause I imagine the attitudes of the Cinncinatti police to the Knights as of the latest debacle might be a VERY good indicator of the general attitude of the cops, FBI, etc towards the MCO. A bunch of non-government goons with goons and more power than is good for anybody walking around pulling shit on THEIR turf and getting away with it because the politicians are letting them.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: I doubt the DPA would be cheaper, actually. MCO has TONS of private Funding. Even if the DPA only took over the "support paranormals" portion of the MCO wholesale, that would still entail a significant increase in manpower and equipment and facilities and etc. Which would come out of the government's pocket instead of private funding.

    The same would happen in the Federal Marshals, the ATF, or the FBI took over the "suppression/crime" portion of the MCO's docket. IT would require a massive increase in funding and manpower, etc.

    Still, I do agree. While the politicians are supporting the MCO for now, the FBI and other agencies are very much probably NOT happy to have these guys in their backyards...

    Say, have we heard about the Knights of Purity in Gen 2 yet? Cause I imagine the attitudes of the Cinncinatti police to the Knights as of the latest debacle might be a VERY good indicator of the general attitude of the cops, FBI, etc towards the MCO. A bunch of non-government goons with goons and more power than is good for anybody walking around pulling shit on THEIR turf and getting away with it because the politicians are letting them.

    the dpa's job is to support Paranormals
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: Say, have we heard about the Knights of Purity in Gen 2 yet? Cause I imagine the attitudes of the Cinncinatti police to the Knights as of the latest debacle might be a VERY good indicator of the general attitude of the cops, FBI, etc towards the MCO. A bunch of non-government goons with goons and more power than is good for anybody walking around pulling shit on THEIR turf and getting away with it because the politicians are letting them.


    You might want to read " Reinforce: Don't Call Me a Pretty ". Lawyers happened to the KoP.

    As far as municipalities go, the MCO isn't as popular in New Orleans after attacking a veteran in support of an H1 mob as it used to be. (" Rises the Sun", Pt. 2 )
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: The DPA can't really take over all the things that the MCO wants to claim is in its bailiwick simply because the US government doesn't work that way. Our departments and agencies that advocate and provide support for parts of the citizenship don't double as investigative or enforcement agencies. It's likely that the DPA would get authority for advocating, information services (research, data collection, analytics), registration and identification, and advisory/liaison capacity to law enforcement and/or the judicial system. But in the event of broken laws, violations, and penal system oversight, that's likely to fall to a special branch of an existing law enforcement... ATF maybe, or possibly federal marshals... I'm not sure. But its unlikely that the DPA would get to play both sides of the system - they'd either be the side that lifts up and supports paranormals or the side responsible for policing / handling troublemakers.


    The thing is that National level crime is already divided up. So the FBI is going to be working bank robbery, the Secret Service forgery, the ATF 'Shine and other Devisor/Gadgeteer crime, etc. Every little Federal Agency with some sort of Police is going to want to get into the act, and a lot of the Agencies have those police forces. And very few have agents on site.
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    Kristin Darken wrote: The DPA can't really take over all the things that the MCO wants to claim is in its bailiwick simply because the US government doesn't work that way. Our departments and agencies that advocate and provide support for parts of the citizenship don't double as investigative or enforcement agencies. It's likely that the DPA would get authority for advocating, information services (research, data collection, analytics), registration and identification, and advisory/liaison capacity to law enforcement and/or the judicial system. But in the event of broken laws, violations, and penal system oversight, that's likely to fall to a special branch of an existing law enforcement... ATF maybe, or possibly federal marshals... I'm not sure. But its unlikely that the DPA would get to play both sides of the system - they'd either be the side that lifts up and supports paranormals or the side responsible for policing / handling troublemakers.


    The thing is that National level crime is already divided up. So the FBI is going to be working bank robbery, the Secret Service forgery, the ATF 'Shine and other Devisor/Gadgeteer crime, etc. Every little Federal Agency with some sort of Police is going to want to get into the act, and a lot of the Agencies have those police forces. And very few have agents on site.


    And the DPA effectively has most official hero teams, and some mutant military veterans to help act as their police functionaries.
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    • Tiny bit of a tangent to this topic but when the MCO is looking to put in a Registration office what do they look for? Are most of their centers in like office parks, or do they have strip mall store front locations, or is it a mix of both? I'm thinking American DMV like arrangement; larger building for the first card where they test the kid, and when the MID needs renewed they have a little store front local to get it done.
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    • It's been a mix of both from what I've read, largely dependent on city size, with some allowances.

    Ribbon's MCO branch office is basically depicted as being in a strip mall despite being in Pittsburg, while Monica's encounter with the Dallas/Forth Worth office is substantially larger and more like a metropolitan police department HQ, same goes for Absinthe.
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    • Whatever place that is big enough for their needs and cheap, would be my guess.

    Cryptic you have strange understanding of the US DMV. My tiny local office issues initial road test licenses for all classes of vehicles incuding semis. It is located in a stripmall.
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    • Cryptic wrote: Tiny bit of a tangent to this topic but when the MCO is looking to put in a Registration office what do they look for? Are most of their centers in like office parks, or do they have strip mall store front locations, or is it a mix of both? I'm thinking American DMV like arrangement; larger building for the first card where they test the kid, and when the MID needs renewed they have a little store front local to get it done.


    There are several parts that suggest that the MCO offices are placed tactically. Once across a super hero base, to watch them and dissuade mutants from trying to seek help from the heros, and another time near a good restaurant, because... noms.
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    Cryptic wrote: Tiny bit of a tangent to this topic but when the MCO is looking to put in a Registration office what do they look for? Are most of their centers in like office parks, or do they have strip mall store front locations, or is it a mix of both? I'm thinking American DMV like arrangement; larger building for the first card where they test the kid, and when the MID needs renewed they have a little store front local to get it done.


    There are several parts that suggest that the MCO offices are placed tactically. Once across a super hero base, to watch them and dissuade mutants from trying to seek help from the heros, and another time near a good restaurant, because... noms.


    Sort of like fast food restaurants... they look to see where the competition is... ;)
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    • What was the count by 2016 of the number of "disappearances" attributed to the MCO?

    Which offices/cities tend towards not having lots of trouble with mutants/vanishings/causing trouble? We know in 07 Dallas was really friendly, and I think... was it Chicago that Kayda got some help from?

    Also the office in Redding is this small thing that just doesn't care, but Cincinnati is a hot spot for trouble since before Silver Ghost.
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    • DanZilla wrote: Deep... beneath EVERY GoodMart... is a secret MCO training facility and Armory... or not...


    If that was true thin Tink would have gotten blasted.

    Iwasforger03 wrote: What was the count by 2016 of the number of "disappearances" attributed to the MCO?


    Officially, unofficially, or actual disappearances.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: What was the count by 2016 of the number of "disappearances" attributed to the MCO?


    Sorry, the agency investigating those statistics was defunded following the Fullerton Incident. :-p
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    Iwasforger03 wrote: What was the count by 2016 of the number of "disappearances" attributed to the MCO?


    Sorry, the agency investigating those statistics was defunded following the Fullerton Incident. :-p


    I knew the conspiracy went to the highest levels. This will take something major... we'll have to overthrow the government. Chaos in the streets.
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    • Speaking of chaos in the streets... my grocery delivery guy almost couldn't get to me last night... because there were a couple thousand people marching around downtown here (sacramento is California's state capital and I'm only about 6 or 7 blocks from the capital building) and the roads were all blocked off. I think this was a 'water is life' group, doing anti-oil marching.
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    • Interesting... but confusing? Was that a random "IRL" blurb because I brought up chaos in the streets and we almost lost you to starvation, or was that more "Oh, I can so totally bugger their poor little minds with this random tidbit, they'll go nuts!" kind of comment?
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    • Literal tangent. You know... the whole 'overthrow the government. streets in chaos' thing. happening. interfering with my life... get off my lawn you damn kids!

    *wanders back to the table with the Scotch*
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    hmmmm who's the head honcho of the american MCO at the moment?
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    • I don't think we know (or at least a quick search in all the Gen2 stories released so far has not produced a definitive answer).

    I don't know which rank Alexander Saros holds in the MCO;
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: Literal tangent. You know... the whole 'overthrow the government. streets in chaos' thing. happening. interfering with my life... get off my lawn you damn kids!

    *wanders back to the table with the Scotch*


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    • Assumption that he holds rank, even... wow.

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    • MageOhki wrote: Assumption that he holds rank, even... wow.

    Tsk, tsk.


    I have read the scene again and I think the misunderstanding come with the fact that I had missed the s in "your ... organisations". So I thought he was talking about the MCO but while he seems to support them nothing really indicates a direct connection between him and them.

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    • MageOhki wrote: diverse group politically, and some of us hold... intense feelings involving certain people.


    I'm an artsy fartsy liberal living in California... and E.E. is a gun toting libertarian southern type. Some of our political discussions get more than just 'intense". BUT, we don't let that stop us... in fact, sometimes it's beneficial for creating depth and perspective.
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    We could use some here


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    The corruption in Illinois goes back to the beginning. The vote for Chicago to incorporate had more votes cast than eligible voters within the proposed city limits.
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    • Valentine wrote: Illinois still leading the League in convicted exGovernors. Go us?

    The corruption in Illinois goes back to the beginning. The vote for Chicago to incorporate had more votes cast than eligible voters within the proposed city limits.

    What?

    Southern New England and New York would like a word with you!
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    • Cryptic wrote: Makes me wonder what DeVille is like in Gen 2...


    funny you should mention that...
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