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7 years 10 months ago #1 by null0trooper

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Aside from "transcending the physical body" what makes a god in the WU a god? They're different, but is there really any practical difference between such entities and anything else? (Aside from the super-secret list of gods and spirits that may not be openly worshipped at Whateley Academy - or do all worshippers get autonotified when the entity has an avatar or paladin at the school?)

For that matter, other than "they operate under different rules" what's the real difference among Class 2 and Class 3 entities. IIRC, Shroud is classified as Class 3, but does anyone know what rules she operates under?

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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #2 by Malady

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Gods are Fate-bound, or something. They're limited in their choices. See how Anomaly's affected by being basically Terra-Kashaly.

She has massive fear of Contracts, for one thing. ... Perhaps they're magical powers are concept-restricted or something, like a Ascended that is an Earth Spirit can't do fire / wind / etc. magic, even though they could as a human?

Jade's ~~never Contracted~~... I wonder if the Demona ritual counted as one, or something, and that had effects on her projections...

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7 years 10 months ago #3 by Iwasforger03

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I know gods can gain power from worship and touch higher spheres of power.

Seraphim's powers let her replicate this, allowing her to act as an altar (according to the New Olympians), because she was a focus for Worship for weeks or months and used her powers so much.

The God of Christians, Jews, and Muslims, is implied to basically be the single most powerful entity on earth because of all the worship he receives. He just doesn't seem to really use those powers in a way that is obvious to anyone.

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Gods in the Whateleyverse are a subjective topic. Terra-Kashaly could have stood against them in her heyday, but Anomaly as she is now might not (almost assuredly not) be so capable.

God tends to be a title tacked to a being that seems or is beyond mortal ken.

Back in the days of old, Anomaly would absolutely be considered an incarnate goddess among primitive humans. but then so would Caitlin, Diamondback, hell even Greasy or Aquerna.

Gods as a plethora is deliberately nebulously defined. Most "Gods" of the whateleyverse are powerful enough to be just that. but that power is distant from the physical world and rarely seen, or diluted sharply.

What are Gods?

Everything and nothing.

7 years 10 months ago #5 by null0trooper

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So how does one determine who really is a god, and who's just a wee bit cracked in the head: the Olympians being a prime example. Pray to one and see who really shows up to put their money where their mouth is?

Then again, being surprised that a mortal could access Malkuth in a meaningful fashion suggests that those boys and girls still need to go and study.

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null0trooper wrote: Then again, being surprised that a mortal could access Malkuth in a meaningful fashion suggests that those boys and girls still need to go and study.

And it could also mean they were wounded somehow and no longer able to reach that high.

It could mean a lot of things.

But there is no hard and fast definition.

If it claims godhead, tread carefully. If you decide that it lies, whether or not you challenge its power be on your head.

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7 years 10 months ago #7 by Rose Bunny

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It is very subjective, as are most matters of faith. If you consider it Sara's been Sara for a very brief period, but as the Kellith her arrival has been foretold... she even wrote her own religious texts of her coming and her scripture before she manifested.
So the Cult of Kellith worships a being that has been in its true form for like 2 years.

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7 years 10 months ago #8 by lighttech

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JG wrote:
null0trooper wrote: Then again, being surprised that a mortal could access Malkuth in a meaningful fashion suggests that those boys and girls still need to go and study.

And it could also mean they were wounded somehow and no longer able to reach that high.

It could mean a lot of things.

But there is no hard and fast definition.

If it claims godhead, tread carefully. If you decide that it lies, whether or not you challenge its power be on your head.

I Give my vote to this one!

As I write a fan fic with a fallen god or now godess from another world/plane and since she got here, she was stripped of most of her powers and has to relearn them or re-earn them.

Then she has big limits on what she can do here, back then---none
and she has to put thought to remembering how to do things that were everyday to her or what she knew or still knows

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7 years 10 months ago #9 by Kristin Darken

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Look at it this way. Gods are able to do seemingly miraculous things with energy that they gather from faith and worship. And yet, cultural idols... musicians and sports celebrities... do not wield spiritual powers despite their followers. So we know its not just as simple as just being worshipped... after all, some modern stars have more followers than a Greek period god. Simply due to population size.

Sound like something else in the WU? Mages maybe?

What if... gods... are just like mages? What if, in the structure of our multidimensional being somewhere, there is another variation on a Well... and it isn't 'by default' set up to catch that spiritual energy thrown our way by people who love us, or who trust in us, or even idolize/worship us. To begin to accumulate that energy at all, we first need to understand enough to not squander our divine power as quickly as it comes to us... and then have someone grant us a seed of divinity... sufficient spiritual energy to create within us a spark that can be fed and grown by the existence of followers and worshippers. Or even the hatred of an enemy. And like mages, if we let our divine power spill out and waste it... or use more of it than we safely accumulate... we can fail and return to mortality.

Then, what if gods are like mages in other ways... in their early incarnations, they are barely more than mortals. They might have powers... those powers and abilities might be 'natural'... mutant or other paranormal type. But they can wield those freely to attract followers without using their spiritual powers, so its that much easier for someone who is already a paranormal to make the leap to divinity. Even more so if they are able to use their spiritual power to boost their other abilities. But mostly, a young god would want to 'invest' their spiritual energy into the growth of more energy... blessing temples, empowering priests, and so forth... in ways that will attract more followers and belief to their name. Taking on an 'aspect'... a purpose, ideally one not already covered by an active god to minimize competition for power generated in that aspect (obviously, the wider one's scope, the potentially greater their net gain... but also the more likely another god already has a claim on that power).

Of course... it also might be nothing at all like that...

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7 years 10 months ago #10 by Ametros

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Unfortunately, Circe isn't very forthcoming on this subject.

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7 years 10 months ago #11 by E. E. Nalley

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Rule of thumb: If someone is trying to convince you they are a god, they probably aren't.

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7 years 10 months ago #12 by Kristin Darken

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But E. E. ... I AM a....

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7 years 10 months ago #13 by E. E. Nalley

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Kristin Darken wrote: But E. E. ... I AM a....

Kristin, we discussed this. If someone ASKS if you're a god you say YES.

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7 years 10 months ago #14 by Kristin Darken

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E. E. Nalley wrote: Kristin, we discussed this. If someone ASKS if you're a god you say YES.

Well, of course. I have the blue-violet runes under my avatar photo to prove it.

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7 years 10 months ago #15 by NJM1564

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Kristin Darken wrote:
E. E. Nalley wrote: Kristin, we discussed this. If someone ASKS if you're a god you say YES.
Well, of course. I have the blue-violet runes under my avatar photo to prove it.

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7 years 10 months ago #16 by Kristin Darken

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An ad block won't mask avatar images or forum rank icons... if it did, no one would use it because it would result in buttons and option icons/graphics all being masked and make sites almost impossible to navigate.

But you knew that. This wasn't a post about my rank icons...

Every now and then someone crosses a line in a forums conversation and has to be 'stopped.' And its interesting how few variations there are in how that plays out.

There's one type of response, in which the individual continues to poke and make snide comments, and PM's other forums members to attempt to rally support trying to make staff back down or show themselves as completely unfair/unjust by banning them. Sort of a 'tame' version of 'suicide by cop.'

And there's the response where within a couple hours of the conversation being stopped, I have a PM in my mailbox apologizing for pushing things, explaining that they just got caught up in the moment and didn't realize it was getting offensive.

Guess which one of these is the mature response?

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7 years 10 months ago #17 by Iwasforger03

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>.>

<.<

So yeah, bans are bad, let us not make Kristen invoke those please? We like happy Kristen, and so does Kristen (I bet). Let us not make unhappy Kristen by being people who refuse to understand when we cross the line.

I think another way of looking at it was when somebody addressed the difference between Spirits and people. Spirits need "energy" to cross over, and constant energy intake to sustain themselves on this side for things like forming a body, etc. Gods... maybe Gods have so much friggin energy that's not a problem for them, or maybe exist as Gods because they predate humanity, whereas mere spirits may not (though obviously that's not the case with all spirits). There's more to this, but I wonder if that relates.

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7 years 10 months ago #18 by Rose Bunny

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*Bakes Kristin a cake*

Be nice to her, it's a thankless job, but someone has to do it.

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7 years 10 months ago #19 by Bek D Corbin

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The only difference between a God and a Monster, is that you can buy off a God.

7 years 10 months ago #20 by null0trooper

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Iwasforger03 wrote: I think another way of looking at it was when somebody addressed the difference between Spirits and people. Spirits need "energy" to cross over, and constant energy intake to sustain themselves on this side for things like forming a body, etc.

Once they have a body, preferably one that is biologically viable without needing a minimum backgroud amount of Essence, they apparently are stable. That is, until the body gets destroyed - not that people don't suffer from the same problem.

Iwasforger03 wrote: Gods... maybe Gods have so much friggin energy that's not a problem for them, or maybe exist as Gods because they predate humanity, whereas mere spirits may not (though obviously that's not the case with all spirits). There's more to this, but I wonder if that relates.

Some are supposed to predate humanity without having to be Elder Gods (Nodens, Bast) or GOOs (Yig, Kellith), but even representatives of the races they're supposed to be doing something with, other than snacking, are bad news.

From what I've seen with WU spirits, there are clearly differences of opinion and experience among summoners (ex. theurges, infernalists, and other Hermetics working with the Names, Rituals, and Compacts by which to compel or entice an entity), evokers (ex. Elyzia Grimes, Metro, Fey, for whom the summoning may be akin to placing a job offer), and shamans (ex. Totem, Pejuta, for whom the spirits may be much like family members, friends, or even enemies)

Hm. With the evokers, we have seen Miss Grimes perform a formal summoning (Kodiak), while Aunghadhail (but I suspect Fey can still do it) treated fire elementals as cherished friends. I'm not sure Whateley teaches evocation, because it can get a little fast and loose.

On a side note, if Kayda wants to learn offensive spells, and if she really cannot learn from a grimoire (has she tried?), that shouldn't prevent her from summoning or invoking a responsible spirit for the purpose of teaching her how to do such things. Even if the spirits that normally teach magics aren't the particularly nice ones.

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7 years 10 months ago #21 by null0trooper

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Bek D Corbin wrote: The only difference between a God and a Monster, is that you can buy off a God.

That makes sense to me!

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7 years 10 months ago #22 by Rose Bunny

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null0trooper wrote:
Hm. With the evokers, we have seen Miss Grimes perform a formal summoning (Kodiak), while Aunghadhail (but I suspect Fey can still do it) treated fire elementals as cherished friends. I'm not sure Whateley teaches evocation, because it can get a little fast and loose.

On a side note, if Kayda wants to learn offensive spells, and if she really cannot learn from a grimoire (has she tried?), that shouldn't prevent her from summoning or invoking a responsible spirit for the purpose of teaching her how to do such things. Even if the spirits that normally teach magics aren't the particularly nice ones.

Nikki really should sit down with Molly and Rythax and have a big old chat. Molly can summon some of her summonings and then Nikki could talk to them, see if they would be her friends, or at least see if any would be willing to contract to her.

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7 years 10 months ago #23 by Sir Lee

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"God" and "Demon" are loaded words -- they implicitly suggest one is more or less in "your" side, while the other is more or less "against" you. Consider other mythological systems where this distinction is not as clear, like "orisha" in some African religions, or "kami" in Japanese mythology.

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7 years 10 months ago #24 by Arcanist Lupus

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'God' is is a word with no more intrinsic meaning than any other word in the English language, and less than some. Just because beings who might fit the definition have provable interactions with the world in the WU doesn't mean the word is more clearly defined there than it is here.

The WU has many categories of powerful magical beings, many of whom have been worshipped in some form or another.

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7 years 10 months ago #25 by Valentine

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Bek D Corbin wrote: The only difference between a God and a Monster, is that you can buy off a God.

What if the Monster has the word "God" in its name?

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Kristin Darken wrote: But you knew that. This wasn't a post about my rank icons...

Every now and then someone crosses a line in a forums conversation and has to be 'stopped.' And its interesting how few variations there are in how that plays out.

There's one type of response, in which the individual continues to poke and make snide comments, and PM's other forums members to attempt to rally support trying to make staff back down or show themselves as completely unfair/unjust by banning them. Sort of a 'tame' version of 'suicide by cop.'

And there's the response where within a couple hours of the conversation being stopped, I have a PM in my mailbox apologizing for pushing things, explaining that they just got caught up in the moment and didn't realize it was getting offensive.

Guess which one of these is the mature response?

What in this thread made any of this relevant? I was responding to a joke line originating from a joke/meme from ghostbusters? And I don't see anything rude of offensive in any of the previous posts in this thread.

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7 years 10 months ago #27 by Rose Bunny

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you know the old saying, there are three things you never talk about: Religion, politics, and ... I forget the third.

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7 years 10 months ago #28 by Iwasforger03

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Abortion? Gay Marriage? The LGBTQI community in general? Al Capone?

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7 years 10 months ago #29 by null0trooper

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Sir Lee wrote: "God" and "Demon" are loaded words -- they implicitly suggest one is more or less in "your" side, while the other is more or less "against" you.

The demon/devil dichotomy is used elsewhere to distinguish between entities native to the speaker's plane and those that are not. There may or may not be a difference in how the WU Pact of Solomon applies.

Sir Lee wrote: Consider other mythological systems where this distinction is not as clear, like "orisha" in some African religions, or "kami" in Japanese mythology.

There is said to be a difference in temperament between the Petro loa and the Rada loa, yet both can heal as well as cause harm.

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Iwasforger03 wrote: Abortion? Gay Marriage? The LGBTQI community in general? Al Capone?

I don't know... I wasn't expecting this!

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Rose Bunny wrote:
Iwasforger03 wrote: Abortion? Gay Marriage? The LGBTQI community in general? Al Capone?

I don't know... I wasn't expecting this!

The third thing is obviously The Spanish Inquisition.

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Valentine wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote:
Iwasforger03 wrote: Abortion? Gay Marriage? The LGBTQI community in general? Al Capone?

I don't know... I wasn't expecting this!

The third thing is obviously The Spanish Inquisition.

Well... nobody expects it, its chief element is surprise.

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7 years 10 months ago #33 by NJM1564

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Rose Bunny wrote:
Valentine wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote:
Iwasforger03 wrote: Abortion? Gay Marriage? The LGBTQI community in general? Al Capone?

I don't know... I wasn't expecting this!

The third thing is obviously The Spanish Inquisition.
Well... nobody expects it, its chief element is surprise.

Considering how often it's used can it really be called unexpected?

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Humans are forgetful enough for me to say yes.

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Rose Bunny wrote: you know the old saying, there are three things you never talk about: Religion, politics, and ... I forget the third.

The Great Pumpkin. And keep in mind that everybody has their own Great Pumpkin.

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7 years 10 months ago #36 by Rose Bunny

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Watching Princess Mononoke.
Mades an interesting comparison to the gods and monsters in the WU.

Who is truly a god, and who is truly a monster?
Who follows a god, but is a monster? and so on...

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this is how I think when I write my Fan fic on this subject

My character has been around long enough to figure out that other beings waste life force in droves and she collects some of it to live off, plus use as a base for her powers at times.

then she has transcended hundreds of dimensions, via long study of them and left pieces of herself in each one along the way. (think Dr strange movie the first part he gets 'schooled'!) With a part of her in each dimension, she cant really die fully and will regenerate a new body here sooner or later?

Then add all the knowledge she gained along the way,,, most of that is lost for now?

So IMO, god worship is your worshipers giving you LOTS of this energy for free no strings attached

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Iwasforger03 wrote: Humans are forgetful enough for me to say yes.

Perhaps but we are next door to the Whateleyverse and we can do better.

No one expects the cute inquisition.
Or
No one expects the outback inquisition.
Or
No one wants to expect the cuteback inquisition.

Oh bob! Here's one for the bad ideas thread. Outcast corner and wondercute doing Monty Python sketches. With occasional guest spots by the grunts and whatever bullies they can round up.

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But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

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Rose Bunny wrote: But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

[RESPONSE REDACTED BY THE CANON CABAL---THERE IS NO CANON CABAL]

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JG wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote: But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

[RESPONSE REDACTED BY THE CANON CABAL---THERE IS NO CANON CABAL]

My God! How enthusiastic was that response!?!?

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Rose Bunny wrote: But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

HELL YES!!!!

er...um... well...

I cannot comment on whether something like this can or will ever occur...

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The scene from Parents' Day of Adam riding around on Jack's back chanting "Jack, Jack, Razorback!" remains to this day one of my favorite scenes in the entire WU. It's just too cute.

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Rose Bunny wrote: But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

Hum she is small enough. Put her in a properly sized version of Jerico's armor.
Reprogram a optical cammo system to display Jadeico (Jade/Jerico) patterns.

What else can we add to put the fear of god into well god.

As long as this ends with De. Reaper pissing himself I'll bear the suffering of the rest of the universe.

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Rose Bunny wrote: But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

We've already seen Jade riding Mule like he was a palanquin.

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Valentine wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote: But do we really want to see Jade riding Razorback like a pony?

We've already seen Jade riding Mule like he was a palanquin.

I'm sure for this Jade would have someone design her some Hello Kitty jousting armor.

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Rose Bunny wrote: I'm sure for this Jade would have someone design her some Hello Kitty jousting armor.

Too Late [ Click to expand ]

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topic has derailed worse than AMTRAK.

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Rose Bunny wrote: topic has derailed worse than AMTRAK.

How? Topic is 'Gods and Monsters' and we are talking about Jade and Hello Kitty!

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Jade does qualify as a monster.

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lighttech wrote: So IMO, god worship is your worshipers giving you LOTS of this energy for free no strings attached

No. They always want something in exchange for all the sacrifices they've made on your behalf. Even if you didn't want them doing that, and especially not that other thing.

Cue the Goddess Technical Helpline now being swamped with requests for Jade, riding Razorback into a combat final, carrying a shoulder-mounted rocket launcher .

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except with Jade...

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JG wrote: What are Gods?

What are gods?
Yahweh, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Yahweh, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

What are gods?

Yeah

I don't know if you're out there
I give you worship, but you don't spare
Aid in my plight, you are so strong
Gimme a sign

Chorus

Burn down below, toke up with you
Wherever I go, it's up to you
Not sure you're one, or three or two
This book's so long

Chorus

I want no angel, evasive angle
This is your time to shine
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Are you god?

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7 years 10 months ago #54 by Mister D

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Bek D Corbin wrote: The only difference between a God and a Monster, is that you can buy off a God.

To misquote someone, "An Angel is only a Demon that stands between you and your enemies..."

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7 years 10 months ago #55 by Mister D

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E. E. Nalley wrote: Rule of thumb: If someone is trying to convince you they are a god, they probably aren't.

For a very useful attempt at vaccinating yourself from this form of brainwashing, have a look at this short film, "Mind-Control Cults" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E

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7 years 10 months ago #56 by Mister D

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Rose Bunny wrote: you know the old saying, there are three things you never talk about: Religion, politics, and ... I forget the third.

Football!

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7 years 10 months ago #57 by Rose Bunny

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Football or futbol or soccer?

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7 years 10 months ago #58 by elrodw

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Rose Bunny wrote: Football or futbol or soccer?

Fußball

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7 years 10 months ago #59 by Rose Bunny

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elrodw wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote: Football or futbol or soccer?

Fußball

Fubarball? I don't think he rolls very well.

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7 years 10 months ago #60 by Sir Lee

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I think Elrod meant " foosball "

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7 years 10 months ago #61 by elrodw

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Meine Antwort ist auf Deutsch.

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7 years 10 months ago #62 by Rose Bunny

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I still want to see someone attempt FUBARball though.

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7 years 10 months ago #63 by elrodw

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Not a Danny Furball?

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7 years 10 months ago #64 by Rose Bunny

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elrodw wrote: Not a Danny Furball?

but would Kayda be mad, or insisting on playing?

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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #65 by Kristin Darken

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Fubarball is like lacross, except the sticks have had their nets removed and telekinetics have to hold the ball within the radius of the hoop while running with it. Passing it, or shooting at the goal for a score, is more about psychic than centrifugal forces. Called Fubarball because Louis coaches the team and has been known to play in matches for fun from his tank using a tangible projection.

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7 years 10 months ago #66 by Rose Bunny

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Kristin Darken wrote: Fubarball is like lacross, except the sticks have had their nets removed and telekinetics have to hold the ball within the radius of the hoop while running with it. Passing it, or shooting at the goal for a score, is more about psychic than centrifugal forces. Called Fubarball because Louis coaches the team and has been known to play in matches for fun from his tank using a tangible projection.

ok... at least that's less silly than Quidditch.

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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #67 by Sir Lee

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In order to be sillier than Quidditch, you have to go full-bore Calvinball. And even that is somewhat saner than Quidditch, from a certain POV -- I mean, in Calvinball the rules are made-up on the spot, the only real rules being (1) Players wear masks, and (2) you can't use the same made-up rule twice. They are silly rules, but they are silly on purpose. The Quidditch rules are silly for no good reason (other than the meta-reason of JKR wanting to make the Seeker the most important player... which she did, at the expense of making all the other players basically irrelevant).

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7 years 10 months ago #68 by Rose Bunny

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I was on a forum once where there was a calvinball thread.

it ended up so confusing that I think all the moderators heads exploded in a glorious lime-flavored mushroom cloud.

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Sir Lee wrote: In order to be sillier than Quidditch, you have to go full-bore Calvinball. And even that is somewhat saner than Quidditch, from a certain POV -- I mean, in Calvinball the rules are made-up on the spot, the only real rules being (1) Players wear masks, and (2) you can't use the same made-up rule twice. They are silly rules, but they are silly on purpose. The Quidditch rules are silly for no good reason (other than the meta-reason of JKR wanting to make the Seeker the most important player... which she did, at the expense of making all the other players basically irrelevant).

So ... where does that put 43-man Squamish on the 'scale of silly (TM)'?

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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #70 by OtherEric

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elrodw wrote: So ... where does that put 43-man Squamish on the 'scale of silly (TM)'?

Are you daring to suggest that the noble sport of 43-Man Sqaumish is in some way silly? Those are fighting words!

In the unlikely event anybody is unfamiliar with the game, I refer you here:

www.madcoversite.com/quiz_olympics.html

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7 years 10 months ago #71 by Phoenix Spiritus

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*scratches head*
Looks at thread topic 'Gods and Monsters'
...
Looks at discussion ... fubarball ... Quidditch ... Calvinball ... 43-man Squamish ... 'all the moderators heads exploded in a glorious lime-flavored mushroom cloud' ...

Ahh! Now I see what's going on

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The problem with your theory, Phoenix, is the number of Moderators contributing to the thread...

Although perhaps this should move to the games and diversions section at this point.

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well, if more moderators heads explode, maybe I will get promoted and can make my horrible stories canon.

oh... to head things back into gods and monsters...

I wonder where the threshold is, are you a god if you can create something? If you can destroy something? is it a level attained due to level of being worshiped?

in a millenia, could the Drow Race consider Jobe as a god, for creating them?

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Rose Bunny wrote: well, if more moderators heads explode, maybe I will get promoted and can make my horrible stories canon.

oh... to head things back into gods and monsters...

I wonder where the threshold is, are you a god if you can create something? If you can destroy something? is it a level attained due to level of being worshiped?

in a millenia, could the Drow Race consider Jobe as a god, for creating them?

Well IMO Jobe would have to make room for that worship...as she or he worships themselves so much!

But then other true Drow gods or godesses might get mad at that new godess!

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OtherEric wrote:
Phoenix Spiritus wrote: *scratches head*
Looks at thread topic 'Gods and Monsters'
...
Looks at discussion ... fubarball ... Quidditch ... Calvinball ... 43-man Squamish ... 'all the moderators heads exploded in a glorious lime-flavored mushroom cloud' ...

Ahh! Now I see what's going on
The problem with your theory, Phoenix, is the number of Moderators contributing to the thread...

JG ... Elrod .. E.E. ...

... heads exploding ...

I'm sorry Eric, I'm really not seeing your point?

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lighttech wrote: But then other true Drow gods or godesses might get mad at that new godess!

Well, to bring Shadowsblade into semi-canon form, you would have to do a lot of work, 'cause I know Sara's going poof screws up a lot of her story, as does the death of the Daughter of the Burning Oak. Additionally, I think said Queen of the West mentioned that there weren't actually any drow that she was aware of.

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Rose Bunny wrote:
lighttech wrote: But then other true Drow gods or godesses might get mad at that new godess!

Well, to bring Shadowsblade into semi-canon form, you would have to do a lot of work, 'cause I know Sara's going poof screws up a lot of her story, as does the death of the Daughter of the Burning Oak. Additionally, I think said Queen of the West mentioned that there weren't actually any drow that she was aware of.

I did Shadowsblade in the early 2007 school year before Sara 'poofed', so If it stayed there in that time frame, maybe some shoehorning --but a Gen1 year 2--ohh ya lots of work, but I have the basics done

Then this I copied form back when

Fey Aunghadhail says this here
crystalhall.org/SaksAndViolence

“It’s got to be stopped.” She wrapped a strand of fiery red hair around one finger and started pulling at it hard enough to look like she was trying to pull it out by the roots. “They shouldn’t exist at all and are a mockery of both bright and dark Sidhe. Aunghadhail is driving me nuts with her railing about that. I have to find some way to get rid of them, or at least to stop Jobe from making more of the creatures.”

Aung maybe saying that a DNA made part drow should not exist! But the dark sidhe are shown or called Drow in many books and my characters color of skin is way different among other features of the race show by Jobe...so who knows?

And then as to Jobe saying that Drow don't exist ---remember he/ she is or was a human, so what would he know what did or did not exist thousands of years ago?

Have to ask the cabal what is the word of the elf gods!

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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #78 by Rose Bunny

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It is entirely possible, I guess, that there are natural drow. I know there are Sluagh, like Shadowdancer. She may be one of those dark Sidhe mentioned, certainly.

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lighttech wrote: Then this I copied form back when

Fey Aunghadhail says this here
crystalhall.org/SaksAndViolence

“It’s got to be stopped.” She wrapped a strand of fiery red hair around one finger and started pulling at it hard enough to look like she was trying to pull it out by the roots. “They shouldn’t exist at all and are a mockery of both bright and dark Sidhe. Aunghadhail is driving me nuts with her railing about that. I have to find some way to get rid of them, or at least to stop Jobe from making more of the creatures.”

If it were that important, then (quasi-Elder god) Aunghadhail and her fellow queens should have thought of that before opting for the Sundering. Stopping the Bastard's forces more important at the time? No problem, then, the Sidhe can learn to live with the outcomes of past decisions just like everyone else.

It does leave the question exactly what makes for a "dark" Sidhe: skin color, as if that's important? outlook re: other (all of course being lesser) races?, living underground, something else?

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I think Aung's problem with Jobe's Drow is not really that they are "dark", but that they are artificial kinda-sorta-Sidhe. Thus the phrase "mockery of light and dark Sidhe."

It's about par for the course coming from Aung, who had a big streak of speciesism she didn't manage to hide that well. It's a bigoted stance: your group is "superior", the outsiders are "inferior", and everything that blurs the dividing line is to be fought and eliminated.

Consider anti-miscigenation laws, which aimed to keep a clear distinction between races, castes, nobles/commoners or whatever way the society is divided. Or the Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist rhetoric, which rejects transwomen because it weakens their "all men are the enemy" stance.

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Sir Lee wrote: I think Aung's problem with Jobe's Drow is not really that they are "dark", but that they are artificial kinda-sorta-Sidhe. Thus the phrase "mockery of light and dark Sidhe."

Or it could be that they aren't kinda-sorta-sidhe the idea that humans can become Sidhe they they aren't all that different or special would be profoundly irritating to her.

On a lighter note, anyone else accidentally pronounce them shit-ies.

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While Aunghadhail clearly has a complex, I can't help but agree with her on this front, as the Drow being a derivation of her species is a mockery of the Sidhe, and is without a doubt Jobe's most arrogant creation we've seen thus far.

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Meh. The only thing she can legitimately bitch about is the use of bits of Nikki's DNA without permission (and honestly that's Nikki's fight, not Unga Bunga's). Mockery is a subjective and irrelevant term, and Jobe's arrogance has nothing on Unga Bunga.

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In my fan fic case

I used that jobe doing DNA experimentation on Sidhe DNA and making clones, that reminded Aunghadhail of the horrors of what she had done as Queen at one time to her own and she wanted that stopped because she knew the road was a very dark one---when you mix that DNA experimenting with magic=the bastard!

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lighttech wrote: In my fan fic case

I used that jobe doing DNA experimentation on Sidhe DNA and making clones, that reminded Aunghadhail of the horrors of what she had done as Queen at one time to her own and she wanted that stopped because she knew the road was a very dark one---when you mix that DNA experimenting with magic=the bastard!

Sort of a "You got really, really lucky - this time." warning?

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