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7 years 2 weeks ago #1 by Cryptic
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  • I want to throw into one of my stories a girl who can trun all or part of her body to "smoke". what would be on her mid, shifting, warping, or other?

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #2 by Anne
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  • Shifting or warping seems the most likely, though she could be a mage....
    7 years 2 weeks ago #3 by MM2ss
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  • As I understand it, you can get the same effect by multiple methods. Thus, it appears to me that it depends on how the mutant achieves the transformation. What other effects are you considering and what power would work best for your story? That may be the best guide.
    7 years 2 weeks ago #4 by Ametros
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  • From what I understand of Shifting, it's limited to biological with examples like Jimmy towards the top end. Warping or magic would suit best, I'd think. However, what if she were instead a manifestor with the inverse? Natural state being a smokey being and she actively reigns it in?

    Of course, the MID need not be strictly correct, either. Don't they favour describing the what as opposed to the how? In that case Shifter might be applicable.

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #5 by Sir Lee
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  • Well, Erzabet seems to be able to do that, so there's canon support for this power.

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #6 by Kristin Darken
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  • The biggest question is... does the character turn to smoke or does the character appear to turn to smoke. Shifting is, ultimately, limited by biology. Going to Jello mode (slime) is probably the furthest standard biological structure that you can get while keeping functional human thought patterns. Displacement or reduced density options in Warpers (as well as other plane shifting) could appear as smoke in the normal 3D world. Manifesting and PK variants could produce an 'outer' layer that is smoke... the physical body would still be there, but it would be cloaked inside the smoke cloud layer.

    I think a combination of Warper/PK would be where I'd take it. Have the PK be a 'smoke kinetic' who can use their Warper ability to move through an elemental subplane between earth/fire/air (smoke) and draw smoke out from that plane for use in its PK shell and abilities. You could also go Warper/Energizer with the Energizer power source being the Smoke dimension also.

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    7 years 2 weeks ago - 7 years 2 weeks ago #7 by Cryptic
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: The biggest question is... does the character turn to smoke or does the character appear to turn to smoke. .


    I was thinking turns into something smoke/cloud like, as when I thought of her a nI love Jennie rerun was on and the billow from the bottle stuck with me. my other thought thast came to me after logging off was she is a djinn for real

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #8 by Anne
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  • As you describe the power it really does sound most like some sort of warper power. Though as I said, depending on how controlled a shifter is and the level of their power, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see one be able to do this trick. I suppose that a manifestor could pull it off too if they were a high enough level manifestor. A mage? Maybe someone like Fey if she thought of it, or believed it was necessary. But I think for a mage to pull such a trick it would either have to be part of their innate nature or they would have to be a pretty high powered mage.
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  • Sounds like a limited dimension shifting ability, so probably warp, to a plane like Shadow or Astral?
    7 years 2 weeks ago #11 by Kristin Darken
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  • Anne wrote: Though as I said, depending on how controlled a shifter is and the level of their power, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see one be able to do this trick. I suppose that a manifestor could pull it off too if they were a high enough level manifestor. A mage?


    Shifter - no. Trust me, Whateley Universe shifting CANNOT go that far. Whateley Universe Shifting can't even do some of the Sandman / Plastic Man / Mr Fantastick stuff that you see in Marvel/DC... because we have to account for biological processes / physics that they ignore. Mass limitations are a big factor, for example... there ARE some rare classes of Shifter that can alter their mass, but generally within strict limitations. And there ARE Shifters who can go to places that wouldn't be sustainable for human organs... but think about it, even going as far as 'slime' would require the ability to function without a nervous system transmitting perceptual and command data, without a respiratory or blood system conveying air/energy to the whole. And slime is still molecularly in contact within its boundaries. Smoke, by its nature, is diminishing dispersed solid matter carried by air. The closest I think a 'shifter' could ever get to smoke would be a spore cloud. But there can't be any spore cloud Shifters in the Whateley Universe. It'd be something like a Shifter 10 or 12.

    Manifestor - no. Manifesting actually goes the 'wrong' direction to have someone turn to smoke. It adds mass (from ectoplasm), not removes it. You could create a 'false' image (a seeming) of someone turning to smoke... but it would actually not BE that person in the first place, just a manifesting created ectoplasm version of them that you then allow to dissipate in the form of smoke.

    Magick - yes. But it'd probably be a pretty complex spell and thus require a lot of skill to perform at the expense of much Essence, moving it out of practical range of all but the most powerful. Of course, just how complex would depend on what it allows the recipient to do. If they can move like smoke (through small apertures), be undamaged by normal physical weapons (though at a cost of being at risk to wind/water), then it might be very challenging, Unless, as you say, its part of their nature (like an ifrit - a subtype of jinn and specifically a creature of smoke).

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #12 by CrazyMinh
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  • What about a warper???

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #13 by Anne
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  • CrazyMinh wrote: What about a warper???

    Actually a warper is the most probable power to produce the stated effect. Look at Phase, while he never becomes smoke, he does become intangible.
    7 years 2 weeks ago #14 by Sir Lee
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  • There are at least two canon characters who are able to (at least apparently) turn into smoke and back: Alakazam (warper) and Erzebet Novak , who claims to be a "shapeshifter" with four forms, but since those rather... parallel classic vampire powers, her shifting ability might be mystical in nature rather than the mutant Shifter power, no matter what categories the Wiki currently assigns her. More canon info is needed.

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #15 by Rose Bunny
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  • Could be something like appearing to be smoke because density warping, spreading your molecules apart?

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #16 by Cryptic
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  • Malady wrote: ^^ - Oh, like Alakazam!

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    I forgot about her.

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    7 years 2 weeks ago - 7 years 2 weeks ago #17 by Anne
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  • Who is Mist Monster and what is his power? He shows up in one of the OutCast corner stories. Where they introduce the new genderbenders who are not in Poe to the Poe kids. I know it's one of JG's stories, but which one exactly I don't recall.
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    7 years 2 weeks ago #18 by Kristin Darken
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  • Sir Lee wrote: her shifting ability might be mystical in nature rather than the mutant Shifter power, no matter what categories the Wiki currently assigns her.


    As I agreed above, unless its part of an innate ability for a creature made of smoke, like an ifrit.

    A Shifter can't become a Sidhe either, typically. They can LOOK like one. But Shifting (as a MUTANT) doesn't involve a component of Essence... so just like it is very difficult (without powerful magick and a huge source of Essence - something that currently only rarely occurs, at the point where some mutants manifest) for someone to be changed from human to Sidhe through spell work, Shifters run into the same issue. Most Whateley Universe Shifting, after all, is mostly just manipulation of the appearance/shape of the flesh. Only the the powerful can shift to sustainable genetically whole alternate shapes... and only the absolute tops of the power can add power components (something that is part of the extradimensional construct of an individual as opposed to just physical genetics) or add or remove mass through the manipulation of ectoplasm.

    But... if you ARE a Sidhe (or an Ifrit) and you have the ability to Shift (not common in Sidhe, but Ifrits and their lessers, jinn and such do it naturally... being creatures of smoke, it makes sense, really).

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #19 by Ametros
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: without powerful magick and a huge source of Essence - something that currently only rarely occurs, at the point where some mutants manifest


    Let me just file that little piece away with the rest of the GEO info... :)

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    7 years 2 weeks ago #20 by elrodw
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  • How about a warper whose power is somewhat limited in ability to warp other things with them, so their clothes (and possibly purse, books, etc) end up getting incinerated by the energy of the warp, leaving them naked wherever they warp TO.

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    7 years 2 weeks ago - 7 years 2 weeks ago #21 by Kristin Darken
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  • Lots of ways you could do that El... but the easiest would be for that Warping power to take the Warper through another plane instead of a direct A to B port (folding space). And then say that the power protects the Warper personally as they move through that 'subspace' but that anything else is affected by that energy. Supposedly, Nightcrawler's teleports work this way to a very slight degree. That's why there's the sulphur scented bamf associated with his ports. You could actually get nicely creative with the specific energy types or elements encountered in this subspace environment. But another X-men character, Illyana Rasputin (Colossus' little sister and one of Kitty Pryde's best friends... as a result of different time flows in hell and earth) as Magick had the ability to summon teleport disks... and her disks weren't A to B, she traveled through hell in between A and B.

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