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Question Can I get info on Scrying and its limits, please?

9 years 4 months ago #1 by Malady
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  • Can I get info on Scrying and its limits, please?

    I mainly want to know how far I can use Palantir's Scrying to railroad the Three Little Witches into a plot.

    Like whether they get something vague that's too almost too useless for railroading, or something super-specific but lacking in other details like: "Go here, wait an hour, and you will gain power."
    9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #2 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • The three witches are not currently powerful, but have access to spells way beyond their abilities. A more 'likely' scenario is that it failed miserably but Palantir insists it worked fully and that she is right and the scrying is telling her this.
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    9 years 4 months ago #3 by Kristin Darken
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  • The three don't have lit wells yet. They play at being witches.. they aren't casting real spells outside of class where they are given the essence to power the assigned practice spells. As part of the completion of spring intro to magick, they will get to light their wells... but will then have to workon building any reasble amount of essence

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    9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #4 by Malady
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: The three don't have lit wells yet. They play at being witches.. they aren't casting real spells outside of class where they are given the essence to power the assigned practice spells. As part of the completion of spring intro to magick, they will get to light their wells... but will then have to workon building any reasble amount of essence


    If they're not casting 'real' spells when they do things like Scry with Palantir's Orb... Then what are they doing? :huh:
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    9 years 4 months ago #5 by Dreamer
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  • Separate mutant powers which is why they are at Whateley.

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    9 years 4 months ago #6 by Valentine
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  • Malady wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: The three don't have lit wells yet. They play at being witches.. they aren't casting real spells outside of class where they are given the essence to power the assigned practice spells. As part of the completion of spring intro to magick, they will get to light their wells... but will then have to workon building any reasble amount of essence


    If they're not casting 'real' spells when they do things like Scry with Palantir's Orb... Then what are they doing? :huh:


    I'm pretty sure that Palantir took/got that name by because of the her Orb and the ability to scry with it.

    Clover got in because she has a witch hat.:lol:

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  • Clover got in because she is a Warper, a Probability manipulator. She actually helped Mrs. Carson out in her fight with Deathlist in the Halloween attack using that power.

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    9 years 4 months ago #8 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Doesn't she also have a large dog familiar? Or was that the third witch, whose name escapes me?

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Doesn't she also have a large dog familiar? Or was that the third witch, whose name escapes me?

    Nope, that is Clover. Large dog familiar and probability warper. Abracadabra can inject essence into object, one mention was of her using something as enchantment tiles by doing so. And Palantir can manifest the ball used for scrying, getting information, other things, even translating tomes of arcane lore written in unknown [to her] languages, as well as grow big for her to ride around on. The limits of its scrying are unknown and not stated in any of the stories, nor in her wiki entry.

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Doesn't she also have a large dog familiar? Or was that the third witch, whose name escapes me?


    I believe that Buttons, Clover's familiar can change size like other familiars. It has appeared large enough for her to ride, and small enough for her to hold in her lap.

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  • As to the extent of scrying... it can be done from a number of different methods, some Psi and some Magick. What exactly you get depends on how you do it and that the spell or technique is designed to give you. For the purpose of clairvoyance, you can get anything from metaphorical visions to realistic real time high definition surveillance. none of which are legal without a warrant or consent. and most of which, even with, cannot be used in court.

    The further you get from the present, the less direct your connection to the target location (or person/object/etc), the less likely you will get a clear result. Some people will still prefer to try to get 'video' streams... which would have static/lines/pixelation. Others prefer to stick to metaphor... because the visions might stay clear, just be more obscure in how they are interpreted.

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  • Kristin Darken wrote: As to the extent of scrying... it can be done from a number of different methods, some Psi and some Magick. What exactly you get depends on how you do it and that the spell or technique is designed to give you. For the purpose of clairvoyance, you can get anything from metaphorical visions to realistic real time high definition surveillance. none of which are legal without a warrant or consent. and most of which, even with, cannot be used in court.

    The further you get from the present, the less direct your connection to the target location (or person/object/etc), the less likely you will get a clear result. Some people will still prefer to try to get 'video' streams... which would have static/lines/pixelation. Others prefer to stick to metaphor... because the visions might stay clear, just be more obscure in how they are interpreted.


    Wow! That level of infodump would have been so useful if I was a better question-asker!

    So, to clarify, perhaps...

    What if you try and use scrying to figure out your next step in a goal? Like "How do I light my Well in the next hour?" Or is that not scrying?
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  • Most forms of scrying are there to tell you the What. What is happening at this address? What is person X doing right now? What was happening at this address on June 3, 1984? What will happen tomorrow involving person Y? The most common form of scrying (for example, a crystal ball) is clairvoyance: the ability to see something not directly in front of you. Scrying is a telescope or binoculars that can see through time or space with seeing the intervening items between here the place being scried.

    Scrying is generally not used to answer How.
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  • Scrying is a spy drone, for current activities of others.

    precognition is for future.


    some scrying efforts can show the future, but in very limited fashion with a very high probability of error.
    seeing the future is like trying to predict exactly where a particular bit of junk will land, before it even gets picked up by the level 5 hurricane.

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  • Scrying can also look into the past, although I'm guessing that that's usually harder as well. Also, the Breaking probably makes long distance past scrying even more difficult than it would be in a world with a linear past.

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  • Ya, not as much as you'd think. The amount of time passed since then is so long that trying to scry or use any common technique to see back that far is going to fail. Though supposedly, it is easier to scry backwards than forwards. Couple hundred years before you start hitting walls. Forwards rarely gets you beyond a generation (twenty years). WU might double or triple that effective range... but not necessarily. A lot of what makes effective scrying is about 'connection' to the original event. For example, having a blood offering from someone who was present at the original event would be a huge connection. Having one of the tools used by someone during the event would be a big connection. Such things can't really exist for future events... and are hard to keep intact and uncontaminated by other stuff for distant past events.

    And yes, the references to 'what' and surveillance drones are pretty accurate. Mostly the 'framerate' on the footage is poor (you get lots of flashes of images usually... instead of one pieced together continuous stream of time).

    You 'could' use scrying for something like finding your next step in a goal or to see the method used by someone else to light their Well. But you're basically using it, in reverse. You are providing the 'image' of what you would see and asking the magick to find the connection between that image and you.

    The form of magick most commonly associated with finding out 'hows'? Summoning. Have something you don't know or understand? Summon someone with that knowledge to teach it to you. Of course, that was the mindset in a time when it took years to travel to an exotic local where another mage or a temple existed that was reputed to have the knowledge or tome with the information you wanted. Make dangerous and costly trips around the world instead of spending time in your lab and library? Or summon an ethereal plane entity that is known to be knowledgeable in all aspects of that type of magic/lore?

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