Question Can I get info on Scrying and its limits, please?
- Malady
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I mainly want to know how far I can use Palantir's Scrying to railroad the Three Little Witches into a plot.
Like whether they get something vague that's too almost too useless for railroading, or something super-specific but lacking in other details like: "Go here, wait an hour, and you will gain power."
- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Kristin Darken
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Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Malady
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Kristin Darken wrote: The three don't have lit wells yet. They play at being witches.. they aren't casting real spells outside of class where they are given the essence to power the assigned practice spells. As part of the completion of spring intro to magick, they will get to light their wells... but will then have to workon building any reasble amount of essence
If they're not casting 'real' spells when they do things like Scry with Palantir's Orb... Then what are they doing?

- Dreamer
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- Valentine
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Malady wrote:
Kristin Darken wrote: The three don't have lit wells yet. They play at being witches.. they aren't casting real spells outside of class where they are given the essence to power the assigned practice spells. As part of the completion of spring intro to magick, they will get to light their wells... but will then have to workon building any reasble amount of essence
If they're not casting 'real' spells when they do things like Scry with Palantir's Orb... Then what are they doing?
I'm pretty sure that Palantir took/got that name by because of the her Orb and the ability to scry with it.
Clover got in because she has a witch hat.

Don't Drick and Drive.
- Dreamer
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- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Dreamer
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Nope, that is Clover. Large dog familiar and probability warper. Abracadabra can inject essence into object, one mention was of her using something as enchantment tiles by doing so. And Palantir can manifest the ball used for scrying, getting information, other things, even translating tomes of arcane lore written in unknown [to her] languages, as well as grow big for her to ride around on. The limits of its scrying are unknown and not stated in any of the stories, nor in her wiki entry.Arcanist Lupus wrote: Doesn't she also have a large dog familiar? Or was that the third witch, whose name escapes me?
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- Valentine
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: Doesn't she also have a large dog familiar? Or was that the third witch, whose name escapes me?
I believe that Buttons, Clover's familiar can change size like other familiars. It has appeared large enough for her to ride, and small enough for her to hold in her lap.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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- Kristin Darken
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The further you get from the present, the less direct your connection to the target location (or person/object/etc), the less likely you will get a clear result. Some people will still prefer to try to get 'video' streams... which would have static/lines/pixelation. Others prefer to stick to metaphor... because the visions might stay clear, just be more obscure in how they are interpreted.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Malady
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Kristin Darken wrote: As to the extent of scrying... it can be done from a number of different methods, some Psi and some Magick. What exactly you get depends on how you do it and that the spell or technique is designed to give you. For the purpose of clairvoyance, you can get anything from metaphorical visions to realistic real time high definition surveillance. none of which are legal without a warrant or consent. and most of which, even with, cannot be used in court.
The further you get from the present, the less direct your connection to the target location (or person/object/etc), the less likely you will get a clear result. Some people will still prefer to try to get 'video' streams... which would have static/lines/pixelation. Others prefer to stick to metaphor... because the visions might stay clear, just be more obscure in how they are interpreted.
Wow! That level of infodump would have been so useful if I was a better question-asker!
So, to clarify, perhaps...
What if you try and use scrying to figure out your next step in a goal? Like "How do I light my Well in the next hour?" Or is that not scrying?
- jmhyp
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Scrying is generally not used to answer How.
- Dawnfyre
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precognition is for future.
some scrying efforts can show the future, but in very limited fashion with a very high probability of error.
seeing the future is like trying to predict exactly where a particular bit of junk will land, before it even gets picked up by the level 5 hurricane.
Stupidity is a capitol offense, a summary not indictable one.
- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Kristin Darken
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And yes, the references to 'what' and surveillance drones are pretty accurate. Mostly the 'framerate' on the footage is poor (you get lots of flashes of images usually... instead of one pieced together continuous stream of time).
You 'could' use scrying for something like finding your next step in a goal or to see the method used by someone else to light their Well. But you're basically using it, in reverse. You are providing the 'image' of what you would see and asking the magick to find the connection between that image and you.
The form of magick most commonly associated with finding out 'hows'? Summoning. Have something you don't know or understand? Summon someone with that knowledge to teach it to you. Of course, that was the mindset in a time when it took years to travel to an exotic local where another mage or a temple existed that was reputed to have the knowledge or tome with the information you wanted. Make dangerous and costly trips around the world instead of spending time in your lab and library? Or summon an ethereal plane entity that is known to be knowledgeable in all aspects of that type of magic/lore?
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.