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Question Kayda 10

8 years 3 months ago - 8 years 3 months ago #1 by Dpragan
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  • Sounds like her Gad levels are coming out some, in other news Danny seems destined to be Wonderdute's Tuxedo Mask.

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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    8 years 3 months ago - 8 years 3 months ago #2 by Malady
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  • Sounds like her Gad levels are coming out some


    What do you mean? Do you mean when she talks about the car?

    someone shot at my truck and the bullet not only penetrated the radiator, but had cracked the water pump.


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    The "Turnabout is Fair Play" thread between Kayda and Danny continues! Sorta... She still teases him, but she still cares! Nice!

    Why not tell Danny about the brain fog as well?

    Woah. Danny's getting a lot of love! Or at least lust...

    Teen Preg resulted in Brandon! I'm surprised!.

    And no silly assumptions that Danny's not gonna get laid. Question now is if it actually happens, and if so, with who and when.

    Melissa Chambers, Evvie Chambers. I guess no relation, other than last names...

    Had to look up Melissa 'cause it's not connecting as Mischief yet.

    "Fairy" seems soo weird as an insult to gays, with the Sidhe about... Hmm... Perhaps Tink or some or some fairy like Absinthe or some other Sidhe might be insulted with their Species being denigrated in that manner... A Micro-Scene to think about, anyway. Or one of the Twisted Triplets...

    Totally missed the 2-day timeskip until Thursday was mentioned, 'cause then I was like "What? Another timeskip I didn't notice?" ... Looking back, it feels so sudden... Nothing was accidentally cut out, was it??

    She comes to his defense! Good for her!

    Downpour, did that come from Tink or something? I remember the name...

    Peacock and others... Which are imports, and which do I just think are imports due to forgetting their earlier appearances?

    The Shaman-eater thread is still going... Need to remember that...

    I'm surprise that Kayda's so angry that Tansy's hanging out with Lanie... ... I bet Lanie didn't ask Kayda about her summer 'cause all the important bits were on news that she caught, so there's no new info to be gained from asking.
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    8 years 3 months ago - 8 years 3 months ago #3 by Dpragan
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  • This part actually,

    We left Danny to organize his stuff, while Lanie and I went back to get my stuff. "I can't wait to show you the plans I got for a nano-mill!" I gushed. "Nanites follow a programmed path to cut away any scrap metal, including interior parts."

    "How is that different from an EDM machine?" Lanie asked, puzzled a bit.

    I couldn't help grinning. "First, it's hard to get an EDM to do interior work, especially through small openings. Second, unlike EDM, the nano-mill doesn't actually eat up all the waste, but it slices and dices the material to be removed so what's left fits through the opening. Third, unlike an EDM, the nanites leave powdered metal behind them, so there's no messy conductive fluid to carry away the residue."

    "So ... you could use it to do interior milling of something like a transmission housing? Or even an engine block optimized for weight and cooling, without having to be overly thick to compensate for casting irregularities?" Lanie asked, eyes widening as she appreciated the implications.

    "And it should work off a CAM program," I beamed. "Just set up three reference points at openings, and the machine will do the rest." I chuckled. "At least that's the theory. The program is a bit of a bitch, though."


    Unless I missed the mention I'm guessing Pinball's protegee has yet to show, but I think they were late and on the run from the MCO if I remember right.

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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    8 years 3 months ago - 8 years 3 months ago #4 by mhalpern
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  • You know Danny might find that new sweater to have rather protective properties... Unfortunately he does not yet know the power of the 'Cute Side...

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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    8 years 3 months ago - 8 years 3 months ago #5 by Domoviye
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  • Malady wrote: Downpour, did that come from Tink or something? I remember the name...

    Peacock and others... Which are imports, and which do I just think are imports due to forgetting their earlier appearances?


    Downpour is Morpheus' character.
    Pretty much every changeling and one of the lesbians is an import. I'll let you figure out whose.

    Good story. I like how Kayda came to Danny's defense, and I really hope we get to see Danika kick ass on screen, I'm interested in how well she performs.
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  • Ribbon is from Steel Ribbon.
    Downpour, Peacock, Shawn, Centurion, and Switchblade are from Absinthe 2.
    Jinx is from Round and Round and Absinthe 2.
    Martina is from Mama's Boy.

    Sphere arrives several days late.
    Absinthe arrived late also.

    Danny is getting some seriously mixed messages. Mom is treating him as Danica, and Dad is giving him the "talk." Or at least the condoms. Kayda is trying not to tease him, but all her friends are teasing him. And all the girls find him "oh so cute." If Hank is back to being Hank, he will help Danny a lot.

    It's going to be interesting if the dynamic between Kayda and Jade has changed at all.

    So is CC rooming with Ribbon or Martina or Peacock or someone else. In theory there should be an even number of Freshmen MtF Changlings, unless Morpheus changes Round and Round and Absinthe 2. Oh and we have the characters from Tenuous Blade. (Time for a Poe 2007 student list.) Martina is rooming with Christina.

    The HPARC staff does know where Kayda is going to school, and that Totem is there quite often, don't they?

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  • Kayda 10: There's No Place Like Poe part 1 comments
    *sighs* Poor Kayda, her brother could tease her when she was going through it, but she can't now because mom is being overprotective of Danny. Check up in kitty girl form, I can sympathize with Danny but Kayda should be allowed a little teasing. Otherwise they are giving Kayda a double-standard on how the siblings are treated in the same situations. Ah, mom being messed with by pregnancy hormones, at exactally the wrong time for that to be happening for her kids. So Kayda is stuck going along for the check-up to prevent Danny getting hurt feelings, no break from the drama.

    All those tests for poor Danica in kitty-girl form, ouch. *eyes bug out* Definitely pregnancy brain, talking as if it is a given that Danny will becoming a girl completely and permanently. And how she talks about how to Kayda about how most people change slowly, oh boy. Ultrasound imaging, normal for a girl her age, blood tests results back in 4 days, fast turn around. The doctor wants to do tests to see Danica is fertile in her female form, locked in female form during ovulation, and even if impregnated, yikes. Poor Danny, it is almost like they are trying to see if embarrassment can kill someone.

    Oh boy, Kayda saved Danny/Danica from having their mom choose her clothes, but now has to do so with her older sister's help. Tricked mom into only getting a few outfits, still raising the embarrassment factor for Danny/Danica higher. At least Kayda knows how to deal with her right now.

    Poor Kayda, stuck running interference for Danny against their mom, not getting to tease him after all the teasing he gave her when she was changing. Pregnancy brain is making mom treat Danny as if he is already stuck as a girl. Placed in Poe with his sister so he would be around others who are going through what he is going through, Mrs. Carson and Mrs. Horton agreed. Good lord, is pregnancy brain really that bad, she is ignoring everything Danny is saying and just assuming he is fated to become a girl like Kayda. This is bad, he won't want to come home for the holidays until the baby is born if mom keeps this up.

    Kayda actually being a good older sibling, taking to town to have a break from mom. Just hope this doesn't backfire, especially with some of the locals. 12 straight days of traveling to different reservations meeting with tribal elders, yikes. Ah, good to see things turning around Kayda in her home town. Scott Hollings, some people will never change or always seek to blame others for their own actions.

    Lisa, Sandy, and Trisha swarming Danny, poor boy is going to have no peace from girls in his home town or at Whateley when they find he goes "fuzzy" when embarrassed. Leslie, Raquel, and Amy with Tim Westin, nice to see friends. And Kayda learned beadwork and how to sew buckskin, nice. Though some of the girls at Whateley might beg her for outfits now.

    Oh brother, the girls are fighting over who gets to kiss and cuddle with Danny, he is doomed! Lisa and Sandy in his home town, who knows how many girls are going to fight over him at Whateley, Danny is going to have a lot of guys jealous of him. Oh boy, talk about that with his dad, no wonder Danny shifted back into kitty boy form. Telling him about how they got engaged and Brandon was conceived, telling him to practice with condoms and keep them on him. Definitely not your typical dad.

    Kayda with Debra in Falls Park, cute. Ah, wanting to go to France where people aren't so stuck up about things like gay and lesbian couples holding hands in public or dancing at a nightclub together. Can understand why a lot would love to go there. Joking about the trip to France, wonder if they did bar Jade from every coming back. Darn, date broken up by crime in progress. Something they need to show more of in comics, make it more realistic.

    Talking with mom, no way to concentrate while she is worried about Debra. Heh, mom knows how to manipulate Kayda well, study for placement test now so she won't have to when Debra is around. Yikes, pregnancy brain makes her call Danny Danica even though he is a guy right now. Right as she hangs up, the team is back and studying is forgotten as she throws herself at Debra. Yikes, seeing how beat up they are, Kayda gets scared and wishes Debra would stop. Trying to convince her to go to New York and them model after Kayda graduates, we know how that happens thanks to Gen 2, ouch.

    Time to leave, heading back to Whateley, and tears from mom and even Kayda as she hugs Debra. Daw, those two are too cute together. Dad in Card Trick's car because wishes to watch over Danny, no time alone with his crush for the boy. *eyes bug out* Val actually went up and kissed Danny for 15 seconds, didn't see that coming. Danny gets through the MCO checkpoint without trouble, Kayda has to deal with idiots who know her codename and reputation. Even gave them a phony smile and told them have a nice day, be nice to your enemies, it confuses them.

    Evvie and Naomi once they land and start heading for their next flight, nice surprise. Ah, Kayda has to help out the freshmen orientation for Poe as part of going early to help her brother. Thankfully can't show off kitty boy Danny in public, what the, why can't Evvie room with Kayda this year. Things is very vague. Ah, Ayla showed Kayda the floor plans for the new Poe. Naomi thinks if word gets out of all the changes the Melville kids will try to take over.

    Oh boy, Danny helped keep a little 3-4 year old girl named Chrissy calm on the flight with his kitty appearance and purring. But now wants to take him home! Thankfully the mom insist Danny has to go to his school, even though Chrissy wants him to be her big brother. They tried to tell him his kitty boy appearance would be popular with girls, boy, they were understating it.

    All that luggage through the subway, Evvie has a little too much sense of adventure in this case. Plus they did it while hiding the fact they are mutants, all those stairs. Oh boy, collide with a guy distracted by listening to music. At least the guy didn't look at Danny closer. 25 minutes to find a new hoodie for Danny before their train arrives.

    Learning a lesson about communicating with his spirit and learning to listen to what she is trying to tell him, from both Kayda and Wihinape. Especially about not ignoring them. Evvie back with the food, Naomi back with a new hoodie and looking apologetic. On the train, who is the energetic young girl who sat in the train car by Danny. Oh boy, time to see what Naomi got for Danny. A pink hoodie with "Hello Kitty" and multicolored rhinestones! That is beyond the pale in embarrassment.

    Poor Danny thinks Naomi and her roommate are just making fun of him. Not funny to do that on purpose Naomi, kid is already going through a lot without that kind of teasing. Oh crud, the girl is Melissa Chambers aka Mischief, Danny doesn't have a chance. Being embarrassed as Melissa pets him and he purrs, Kayda actually takes a picture and says it is get pictures of him for their mom.

    Melissa is more hyper than usual, guess being on her first trip away from home and meeting Danny has her hyped. Oh boy, cheering her up as she remembers how Imp just disappeared on her, confirms they are going to Whateley too, Danny already has one girl at Whateley. Not even at Whateley and Danny already has the start of a harem of girls who will never give him a moment of peace.

    And Lanie greets Kayda back to Poe in her own special way. Angel is an RA too, nice, and Danny is roomed with Hank. Dang, called an alumnus called H-vac, gadgeteer who did the heating and air conditioning for the cottage, very nice. Thumbprint scanner for security on the doors, Ayla definitely thought about security with the upgrade to the cottage. With a key for backup.

    Kayda got the plans for a nano-mill! Loved the tech talk between Lanie and her about what can be done with it. Assigned rooming this year, dang. At least Kayda got someone she likes, Chou. Ah, so new cottage still has some parts not finished yet. Hank and Danny are Lanie's charges, saying she has at least 2 sane people in the group. :P Wyatt met Lanie's parents, yikes, even for a guy like him that had to be intimidating. Oh boy, Kayda starting to feel like Brandon did in 3rd grade, not good.

    Supposedly all of the showers have Hydro-flux's latest gadgets, dang. Ros shows up, poor Danny gets some teasing about which way he is changing. Oh boy, one of the upperclassmen spot Danny when he turns into Danica. Oh boy, Ros launched herself at Danny and gave him an intense kiss, which Kayda takes a picture of happening.

    Oh boy, even the lesbian girls like his kitty-boy appearance and embarrass him so they can cuddle with 'their kitty'. It is worse than we could have suspected. What next, even one of the more villainous female students like Majestic wanting to cuddle with him?

    Knockoff aka Martina is there, Ribbon as well who is dressed in goth-lolita clothing. Lina aka Peacock, an avatar with the spirit of a peacock, poor girl is like Ayla now because of it as well. Amanda aka Jinx, a probably warper who causes bad luck. Downpour, poor girl, and Shawn, a f-t-m changeling who is still changing.

    Oh boy, Martina's roommate, Christina, father is a big-shot Italian hero and found out who Martina's mom is, mutant criminal Setup. At least Lanie will have a talk with Mrs. Horton about it, Ribbon talks about knowing a devisor named Lady Havoc, leaving out it is her daughter. Ah, so Setup is a 'gray hat', done official work and even follows her own code of what she will and won't do, nice to know. Dang, Ribbon is the one who suggest Martina join the Bad Seeds, didn't see that coming.

    Great, known bullies and new join in bashing and harassing Danny. The bullies harmed Martina for trying to protect him, Kayda is ticked and Tatanka is out. Martina tries again to help out, but is thrown by Anvil, hurt but still ready to fight, tough little girl. Cagliostro, Buster, Gauntlet, Legbreaker, and Anvil, Cagliostro trying to make up excuses and say they were just trying to introduce themselves.

    Great, 3 new freshmen bullies, including Centurion and Switchblade, who don't know when to back down. Centurion is an idiot, not realizing she is staling for security and calling her a bitch. Lt. Forsythe shows up with 4 heavily-armed guards, good response time. Cindy and Diamanta went to get them, even better. Forsythe telling Anvil to inform the newbies about what Tatanka can do to a PK field and how Kayda took down two Class X demons. Yet Centurion is still acting like an idiot, sneering at Kayda like this isn't over in his books.

    Poor Danny, so embarrassed, not wishing to fill out a complaint. Forsythe actually impressed with Kayda, wanting her to be a security auxiliary, how things have changed. Statement from Danny and back to having four girls fawning over him, at this rate Danny might not survive the school year without going to Doyle at least once just from collapsing from embarrassment overload. Oh boy, seeing the girls treating him as their 'pet', not as a boy they are interested in.

    Mrs. Shugendo and Mrs. Horton, along with Lanie all waiting for Kayda. Darn, thought it was going to be good news. Another large group of incoming changelings again, along with the one last year, has caused a situation. Technically a junior now, so moved to junior floor, away from Lanie. Repeat of certain events of last spring indeed, poor Kayda is probably so bright red right now those who can see infra-red can tell who is in a crowd by it alone.

    Mrs. Shugendo tries to say they can still interact in Poe but on different floors, until Lanie brings out the rules and regulations. Along with the trouble a last-minute room change caused for Mrs. Shugendo and the IT department the last time, 3 and a half weeks to get the kid back into all the databases and class rosters, oh brother. Tansy a good influence on Kayda and Lanie, okay, I know she has grown and changed a lot but still, that is a bit of a stretch from Mrs. Horton.

    Oh boy, Kayda upset at the implications of Tansy hanging out with them on a regular basis, how it might affect her relationship with Lanie. She lies to Lanie about why she is upset, not good, this is going to spiral out of control if not nipped in the bud soon. Afraid Lanie is replacing her with Tansy as best friends, she sees Tanya and Lanie hug, seeing it as like long-lost sisters but I think her mindset is exaggerating.

    A bear hug from Alicia, she may not be an exemplar but that girl is strong for her age. Oh course Ally is with Ayla again. And Kayda had to help Danny fill out another report on bullying. 5 so far in 3 days, good grief. Ah, so the other one among Centurion and Switchblade was Dump Truck. Bullied Danny a second time even after dealing with security already.

    Ooo, Dump Truck hit him from behind and Wihinape tore him up, his buddies even tried to lie that Danny started it, are the bullies getting dumber or what. Oh boy, Wondercute already rescued Danny and know about him. And the torments just got upped by a factor of at least 100. Oh please let the upperclassmen not tell the freshmen about Wondercute, I want to see the new bullies and idiots dealt with in a hilarious way.

    Ontario, possible Class X activity, 3 more shamen dead, Kigatilik has been busy. Traveling at 40 miles a day and heading towards Boston, this is majorly bad. ARC is believed to be the target, Hazel is busy right now when they need her expertise. I have a bad feeling about Carl, Frank and Ernst going to check out the source of the threat. Evacuate the shamen to protect them, at least that might help.

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    8 years 3 months ago #8 by Dpragan
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  • I can see why Danny doesn't want to file a complaint, because it makes bullies get creative, and nastier, something adults tend to forget.

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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    8 years 3 months ago #9 by jmhyp
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  • Valentine wrote: The HPARC staff does know where Kayda is going to school, and that Totem is there quite often, don't they?

    I think it is only Hazel who knows enough about Kayda to think "something is headed for Kayda" rather than "something is headed for Boston."
    8 years 3 months ago #10 by Valentine
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  • jmhyp wrote:

    Valentine wrote: The HPARC staff does know where Kayda is going to school, and that Totem is there quite often, don't they?

    I think it is only Hazel who knows enough about Kayda to think "something is headed for Kayda" rather than "something is headed for Boston."


    Um, Kayda showed up and purified a couple of Boy Scouts, and a snake demon skin, and a few other things. Both Chris and Dr. Ernst were there when she did it. They know that she is a powerful shaman, and is somewhat immune to Native American Class X stuff.

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  • Dpragan wrote:
    Unless I missed the mention I'm guessing Pinball's protegee has yet to show, but I think they were late and on the run from the MCO if I remember right.


    Maybe, or my thought was that Sphere was at the second Posie table that whatshername also flinched from.
    But then there's also Absinthe to show up as well.
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  • It seems I am not able to enjoy the teasing, and I think it is because Kayda tells us that Danny has teased her a lot during their childhood and during her mutation but I either dont remember it or it has not be shown. The memory I have of Danny during her origin story is when he took a gun alongside his father to hold back the townfolks who were raiding the farm to attack Kayda.

    I Will have to read her origin story again.
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  • Esar wrote: It seems I am not able to enjoy the teasing, and I think it is because Kayda tells us that Danny has teased her a lot during their childhood and during her mutation but I either dont remember it or it has not be shown. The memory I have of Danny during her origin story is when he took a gun alongside his father to hold back the townfolks who were raiding the farm to attack Kayda.

    I Will have to read her origin story again.


    Danny was a brat to Brandon and teased Kayda a lot. But Danny also armed up and prepared for a shootout if necessary when Kayda and June had to make an escape.

    We don't know ... okay, I know, but you don't ... how far Kayda will allow the teasing to go. It's very evident to Kayda, or at least it's supposed to read that way (my intent) that Danny is both loving and hating the attention he gets. Is it all because he's kitty-boy? Is it the bishi look he has when fully human (and not fuzzed)? He's gotten more kissing (and some very serious and involved kissing, too) since he changed, so he really can't protest THAT part too much. So - having girls doting on him is both good and bad.

    We also know that, when she spotted him being bullied, Kayda stepped in to protect Danny. She gave up LOTS of teasing opportunities to help Danica with the gyno exam and shopping trip. Their relationship is complicated - clearly, they have sibling affection for one another and will defend the other, and then when the threat is gone, resume teasing.

    And the teasing is a setup for several future events.

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    8 years 3 months ago #14 by Malady
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  • elrodw wrote: And the teasing is a setup for several future events.


    Wait... How's that work? Do you mean like the things she teases him about are actually gonna happen, like foreshadowing?

    ... Hmm... With the Hello Kitty prank, I guess Kayda's gonna buy him more clothes or something?

    "I think they give you a cup and a Playboy magazine and let you take care of it yourself!


    Well, sample-taking is sorta gonna happen 'cause it's medical and no reason why not...

    But, the things about Danica getting pregnant... Hmm... Maybe testing will be unneeded 'cause she'll be Whateley's first teen pregnancy... I'm really focused on that and how strange it is that it hasn't happened yet, aren't I? Just remember, magic can explain a lot of things, especially when you don't know all the magic that happening...

    ... And I say 'first', but how do I know if there haven't been others before now, like in Mimeo's time or something...
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  • Is it just me, or does security seem a lot more on the ball this year? They're getting out to problems right quick so far for this fall semester.
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  • Agh! Why!?

    Why can't Ayla and Chou be roommates? They are best friends, come on!

    CC is out of the way as well. Does anyone really worry about Vamp? Or are you all just trying to keep her miserable? Happy characters can be interesting you know.

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  • Blue Moose wrote: Is it just me, or does security seem a lot more on the ball this year? They're getting out to problems right quick so far for this fall semester.


    Security was summoned by two students, one of which is an upperclassman.

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    8 years 3 months ago #18 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Jarjaross wrote: Agh! Why!?

    Why can't Ayla and Chou be roommates? They are best friends, come on!

    CC is out of the way as well. Does anyone really worry about Vamp? Or are you all just trying to keep her miserable? Happy characters can be interesting you know.


    Nonsense! As Agent Smith pointed out: "I believe that as a species you define your selves through misery and suffering. That providing you with your perfect world gave you a dream your primitive cerebellum's kept trying to wake up from."

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    8 years 3 months ago - 8 years 3 months ago #19 by mittfh
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  • I think a certain author had a little too much fun writing this chapter :) However much Danny's embarrassed by girls doting on him and encouraging him to get fuzzed up, having a mini-harem could certainly help him out when bullies appear on the scene. I'm mildly surprised you didn't mention his first encounter with The Mistress of Mayhem (it's just as well she didn't also turn up early - it's one thing being doted on by a girl, another by a girl, a "ghost" and a surprisingly talkative disembodied pair of gloves!)...

    So courtesy of a little rules-lawyering by Lainie, it looks as though Kayda may still be rooming with Chou, which potentially opens up opportunities to find out what she'll be getting up to this year (albeit second hand), while we've also heard of some of the other new froshes.

    Hmm, I wonder if the Loose Cannons (last seen back in June 2012 our time) will have arrived or if they're still en-route - several of them would be potential Poesies....

    Finally, looks as though Kigatilik's heading South in an attempt to finish the job Unhceglia's spawn failed to do - given its speciality, it's likely to have to be another team effort, and probably require significantly more effort than either of Unhceglia's spawn...
    ...but that's likely to be several tales down the line...

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  • The Loose Cannons aren't supposed to be mutants, but Dyna-Hosts. Which means that Whateley might or might not accept them, depending on the preference of the author (Bek). Although Evan Ramsey has quite a weird and wide-ranging set of powers, making one wonder if s/he is also a mutant...

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  • Question, Wasn't Martina, Knockoff, not supposed to mention she was once a boy? I thought her mom was wanting her to keep that secret?
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  • gpoetx wrote: Question, Wasn't Martina, Knockoff, not supposed to mention she was once a boy? I thought her mom was wanting her to keep that secret?


    When her mom was at Whateley a TG was beaten (killed?). So they planned on keeping the TG and Lesbian bits secret. Presumably Wildhammer got her into Poe and she found she could talk about it. Keeping it secret from everyone else.

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  • Ah, it's good to be back at Poe. Never was a chapter so aptly named.

    Danny, be glad you'll be hanging out with the gay boys. There isn't a straight boy in school who will be sympathetic to your plight. (Okay, Hank probably won't be so bad.)

    Actually, putting Hank and Danny together is a fantastic idea, although there's enough similarity between Danny's and Jamie's powerset to cause some concern, I think. But Danny desperately needs a good male role model who has found a balance between genders. He's letting his fear of being female blind himself to the fact that Wihinape can provide him with the strength and confidence that he so desperately wants without making him into a girl. (Heck, that's basically why she was bound to him in the first place)


    It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    At least she's learned to deal with security. That's something, at least.



    Hey, if Danny really wants to get rid of his harem, all he has to do is spend a few days hanging out with Peeper and Greasy. That will get rid of them quick. :evil:

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Hey, if Danny really wants to get rid of his harem, all he has to do is spend a few days hanging out with Peeper and Greasy. That will get rid of them quick. :evil:


    Heck, if he needs an on-campus job they'd probably pay him to hang-out with them...
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  • Actually, though, someone should point out to him that Wondercute is a perfect demonstration that it is possible to be cute and terrifying at the same time. And Wondercute is scary just as much in spite of their cuteness as they are because of it.

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  • Valentine wrote:

    gpoetx wrote: Question, Wasn't Martina, Knockoff, not supposed to mention she was once a boy? I thought her mom was wanting her to keep that secret?


    When her mom was at Whateley a TG was beaten (killed?). So they planned on keeping the TG and Lesbian bits secret. Presumably Wildhammer got her into Poe and she found she could talk about it. Keeping it secret from everyone else.


    Wildhammer knows, and it's quite possible (in fact, highly probable) that in a staff meeting, info about new students came up, and does anyone know anything about them? Wildhammer does, and so she'd tell Carson privately; hence the 'secret' is known and she ends up in Poe.

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    8 years 3 months ago #27 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)


    Someday we'll laugh about this…

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Ah, it's good to be back at Poe. Never was a chapter so aptly named.

    It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    EE and I have discussed at length how long this goes on and how it resolves. Suffice to say, it's a very temporary thing.

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  • elrodw wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    EE and I have discussed at length how long this goes on and how it resolves. Suffice to say, it's a very temporary thing.


    *Expects resolution by end of Kayda 10.2.*
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  • Malady wrote:

    elrodw wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    EE and I have discussed at length how long this goes on and how it resolves. Suffice to say, it's a very temporary thing.


    *Expects resolution by end of Kayda 10.2.*


    Er, temporary FOR US..;

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Malady wrote:

    elrodw wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    EE and I have discussed at length how long this goes on and how it resolves. Suffice to say, it's a very temporary thing.


    *Expects resolution by end of Kayda 10.2.*


    Er, temporary FOR US..;


    ... Wonders about authorial timescale... I guess they think in years? Or year-by-year? ... Wonders if it'll be resolved by end of Kayda 11.

    ... A week is likely too short, a whole term is likely too long? A month or two... No, 1 month... 2 weeks?? Mmm...

    And there's Espers about who, if they pick up on it, could speed things along... And Tansy's an Esper as well. A pretty strong one?
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  • i had a blast reading so much of Morphius's managery of characters get canonised. But he now has so many POV characters to write about, and they havn't even all arrived yet.
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  • elrodw wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Ah, it's good to be back at Poe. Never was a chapter so aptly named.

    It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    EE and I have discussed at length how long this goes on and how it resolves. Suffice to say, it's a very temporary thing.


    Looking forward to it!

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    elrodw wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Ah, it's good to be back at Poe. Never was a chapter so aptly named.

    It's nice to see that Kayda has learned to communicate her emotional insecurities to her friends Can somebody smack Kayda upside the head for me? Or lock her in a closet with Lanie and Tansy? Pretty, pretty, please? (besides, it'd be fun to watch the school's rumor mill once they emerge)

    EE and I have discussed at length how long this goes on and how it resolves. Suffice to say, it's a very temporary thing.


    Looking forward to it!


    NOW it should be clear WHY Kayda feared Tansy pushing her aside in Lanie's affections. I knew what EE was doing - and technically, this should have waited until after BoS 2, but as I was only hinting at things ....

    Now No Place part 2 can go to press.

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  • Kayda, Kayda, Kayda. *sigh*


    Truffles!


    Looking forward to seeing the Shaman-hunter reach Whateley. For some reason I really want to see Diamondback go toe to toe with it, although it's probably out of her weight class to do alone.

    Totally shipping Danny with Amelia.

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  • we have far more mayhem planned than just a shaman killer…

    How bad does it get you ask? Mrs. Carson drops the F bomb…

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  • I'm glad they finally sat Kayda down and talked sense into her.
    It's late, I'm tired, I'll have more to say later this week, but it was a good intermediate story that points to big things in the near future.
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  • SPOILER ALERT
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    Kayda 10-There's No Place Like Poe part 2 comments
    Beginning of year speech, always going to be those who don't believe they can die while at school. Meeting in Carson's office, yikes. Shugendo and Lodgeman as well, don't tell me they are going to chew her out over her adventure involving her hometown now. Foundation for Human Science Advancement, scientific trust owned by Helen Goodkind, great. Now she has more ammo to use against mutants, trashed her museum and place the blame all on them instead of including the MCO agents involved. Loving Hartford's reactions though, just perfect.

    Ouch, that is a lot of after-action reports to write, poor Kayda. Ugh, prohibiting her from doing her role as shaman to the People because of what happened with Lanie. And a threat of expulsion, Carson is ignoring Kayda's very nature and her spirits with that, not letting her be a shaman to the People because of her instructions. Dang, testing Kayda's reasoning and if it is her conviction, plus a new promise on how and when she binds spirits, to who and to consult her and Lodgeman.

    A special class on Extradimensional Phenomena, yikes. Dang, all those charges for what happened to Kayda and those involved in the attacks, rape, and cover-up. And Scott Hollings and Jerimiah Jackson getting hit with the worst of it, sounds good to me. Finally over and Kayda lets everything she has been holding back out, about time. Nice to see Shugendo and Hartford move immediately to comfort her. And love her bargaining for more time on the papers and it working, Carson knows she needs kindness right now.

    All those gearheads around the car, Kayda, Murphy [nice to see her again], Montana [him too], Hardshell, Skids, and Booker. And Kayda reveals it is the car her grandfather gave her. Dang, all that for the car, Kayda has huge plans for it. *eyes bug out* Darn it! Belphegor joined the gearheads, he is going to be kicked out fast if anything goes missing and found with him.

    And Ringo needs to learn not to say such things with any girls around, talking about Phebes like that. Nice tech talk for Kayda with the others, nice to have fellows to bounce ideas off of and compare designs with. Nacht having lunch with Murphy, didn't expect that. I pity Belphegor if he tries anything, with Nacht friends with Murphy it would go very badly for him. Tansy looking for Lanie, leaving Kayda upset once more at the thought she might be replaced. Poor girl needs help dealing with this, she needs to talk to Bellows about this as well instead of keeping it inside.

    Nice picnic and Tissy that happy and even friendly with Ayla, what a change from when she first was changed. Nitro stayed with Tissy's family the whole summer, poor boy having to sneak around the girlfriend's parents. Disowned by parents for standing up for Tissy, got a job with her dad's business, Nitro has changed a lot since we first met him as well. Describing her and Jade's 'Night at the Museum', I would be in stitches hearing about that myself.

    Amelie fitting in at Whateley well already, good to hear. And has a crush on Danny, that is no surprise. What the!?! She doesn't know about his kitty boy form and likes him for his normal appearance, perfect girl for him. Charms made for the Ghost Walkers team, great idea. Identify their weaknesses and cover them, excellent suggestion from Ayla. And yeah, I would want Sam for advice as well, can be critical without being too severe with the criticism.

    Extradimensional Phenomena class is going to be with Mrs. Carson! Kayda is going to get the dangers of such things drilled into her until she can quote it verbatim. Kayda having to keep her promise to tutor Lanie and now Wyatt in dream space but wanting to avoid Lanie right now, ouch. Oh boy, thinking it is like 3rd grade again, that Lanie is shutting her out to spend time with Tansy. Still cares deeply for anyone she has been intimate with, that is going to bring her a lot of pain. Making Debra make that promise, *sighs*, Kayda needs to talk to Lanie soon about these feelings or it will just keep getting worse.

    Camping in an alternate dimension for 3 days time, what to them was 3 days time, yikes. Talk about a brutal field trip. Less than 30 minutes yet 3 days in the other dimension, scary difference. Interesting way of showing them out dangerous extradimensional spaces and beings can be. Yeah, that definitely would be a real wake-up call about the dangers of what they messed with. And she adds a 4-5 page essay on the threats and challenges they face as well, eep. I can see why students are a little afraid to get Mrs. Carson as a teacher, she give hard lessons.

    Dang, appropriate name for the hellhounds, a lot scarier than any image D&D ever made of them. 'Pac-Men', if Pacman even looked like that it would be a horror game! Darn, get back and having fun talking about what they face, only to run into Tansy. Feels like Kayda is taking everything said and exaggerating it to mean something worse right now. Hoped she was past that, guess it is going to take a lot longer than I thought for it to ease up. Playful teasing between Lanie and Tansy, ouch, can see why that would hurt Kayda.

    Car talk with Lanie and Kayda is cheered up, these mood changes between scenes are giving a little whiplash. :-P Mention of dinner with Lanie, Wyatt and Tansy, yet Eruption taunts them and Kayda gives him a good burn right back. Talk of Kayda's further adventures, feral hogs being so dangerous Lanie would only hunt them in her power armor. And Tweak ends up pissing Lanie off to the point of her taking on Grizzly form, uh oh. At least Kayda helped scare them off without a fight, too close.

    Kayda needs to learn to look where she grabs, otherwise she will be in embarrassing situations even more. New uniform for Lanie by Ms. Rogers, very nice. Delta Spike and Cueball, trying to find Linda's new lab and Kayda even has a sense of humor about showing them the way. Dang, he actually says something like that, at least Cueball has learned from his mistake.

    Talk of Tansy bringing Wyatt down and Lanie saying they had fun, but leaving something out. And of course right then Tansy shows up. Ernie Schuler getting a comeback like that from Lanie, ouch, attacking her would have just made things worse. A meeting with Hartford of Tansy and Lanie, making Kayda feel like she is third fiddle after Wyatt, yikes. She needs to talk, it is painful to watch her keep it all in like this.

    Training with her other team and Gunny is being brutal as usual, unless Kayda is just hearing things how she perceives them again. Capture the flag, yet they have to find their flag first to protect it, ouch. Fear that Lanie hadn't been her best friend at all, this is worse than I thought. And either Kayda is seeing things through her own perspective again or Gunny needs to be reminded these are teens he is dealing with. They may have to deal with situations that involve threats to life and limb, but having their instructor treating them like a full-on drill sergeant doesn't help.

    Kayda so unfocused because of the Lanie/Tansy situation, she is going to blow this training exercise and get chewed out by Gunny, which will only make her emotionally worse. Harrier having to take over for Kayda, ouch. Worrying so much about her relationship with Lanie she doesn't even notice a threat near her. Alicia down and Addy having to take down the ANT to save her, Kayda beat up and only saved by putting up her shield spell at the last second, mistakes all around because their leader's mind is elsewhere.

    Alicia hurt, Addy and her having to go protect the flag, things have fallen apart fast. Great, Kayda distracted by more thoughts, thinking Addy might be too busy with Ayla to be her friend, Alicia might leave, her all these unfounded fears haunting her. I know what that is like all too well, hard to rationalize when her own thoughts turn against you this way. Kayda going into a crazed attack on the ANTs targeting RPG. Kayda hurt, Harrier going down, it is a cluster****. Sniper down and match is over, oh boy, time for the chewing out.

    And the chewing out is brutal, he calls them on everything that went wrong, saying it is the easiest scenario they have. Chewing Kayda out for not using Tatanka, her exploding, fireball arrows, she has no offensive magic she has cast directly. And Kayda is beating herself over everything, thinking of how Debra and Lanie are going to react, etc. She overanalyzes things too much, a bad habit I have myself, thinking of all the worst possible results for what might happen involving her friends.

    Great, she is trying to see all the bad instead of the good, even thinking she doesn't deserve to lead The Nations. 10 page report for the team and 10 pages for Kayda on all those topics, yikes. I know he doesn't want the kids to get hurt or killed because of mistakes made in actual combat so he is trying to prepare them. But sometimes it feels like he has forgotten what it is like to be a teen.

    He does have a point about focusing on the enemies before you and not thinking about anything else, but it comes across as harsh. Nooo! Not Wondercute, making any team without at least a whole semester in team tactics under their belt against them would be sadistic. Lanie and Tansy walk right by at that moment, it is like the universe is picking on her now. Kayda needs help, she needs to go to her support system of friends, she needs to stop acting like she is all alone.

    Wabli the eagle talking to Kayda in her dream space, hope the spirits can knock some sense into her. Kayda feeling like all her friends have betrayed her, hope this talk with Wabli helps her get her thoughts and feelings sorted out. Oh boy, thinking Debra regrets being bound to her, wishing to not have friends so they can't betray her, that she never went to the hot-tub party. She is spiraling into darkness and needs to be pulled out soon.

    Teasing from Evvie, poor Adrian can't catch a break. Outline done but Kayda still has her special paper to due for Gunny, all that time to learn how to do spells well enough to actually use them, plus all the other things, Kayda is being overwhelmed from all sides. All that extra training as well, it is like she has no time for anything else sometimes.

    Lanie and Wyatt making an entrance to Crystal Hall like that, ouch, noticing the pained feeling in Lanie. And Tansy is there, Kayda is hurting and her friends talk about Lanie and Tansy being friends despite what happened between them, ouch. Feeling like everyone is watching you, seeing things and thinking something more is going on, dang, it is like I am back in high school myself.

    Ugh, idiots the whole lot of those guys, talking about Lanie, Tansy, Wyatt, and Kayda like that. Wyatt calling out to her, only to see Lanie and Tansy by each other, thinking Tansy's smile is smug grin, Kayda upset and ghostwalks away from the cafeteria in tears, ouch.

    At least in the labs she is calming down, and the set-up down there makes me wishes I was a gadgeteer myself. Bunch of idiots even down in the labs, ugh. Mrs. Choudhari, hearing about answering to her goddess not them is nice, harder to put into practice. All that work to make the car of her dream and talk of working with Jobe which freaks out Kayda, as it would most students. Trouble with her nano-machine and Lanie wishes she could help her with her talent, which only makes Kayda blame herself once again.

    Ugh, Lanie can't read how upset Kayda is whenever she hears about Tansy, I don't expect her to be able to read her mind but still. And she thinks Kayda is upset because she thinks Kayda blames herself for what happened, not noticing she tensed up when Tansy was mentioned. And despite Lanie hugging herself, calling her Mitaka ki, Kayda still thinks she is second-string to Tansy. Please, please let this end soon and be resolved, it is painful to watch.

    2 week internship with the MCO by Chou, and her Christmas holiday was tame compared to this trip, good grief. She is the only junior MCO agent, can't have a lot of them happy with that. Concealed carry for gun and got in a fight with a meta, good grief, anyone close to Team Kimba seems to draw trouble to them. Trained by Caitlin, nice.

    Shopping for new bras since Chou grew, topless in her panties and trying on bras when the villain crashed into her dressing room. Idiot takes her hostages, Captain Tilly gives her permission to take the guy down, and she ends up breaking his wrist and throwing him into a wall which broke and punctured his lung, ouch. Idiot ticked off the wrong teenage girl. And just as they start talking about the adventure to China, Evvie and Naomi show up.

    Nice notebooks, good way to make sure some idiot doesn't try to claim it as their own. And dinner with Lanie. 'Truffles' sounds to be a secret restaurant, and it is one, figures Ayla would make a place for couples to go on dates. And teasing about Lanie and Kayda being an item, when it is only a normal dinner at Crystal Hall. And Lanie forgot because she is helping out Tansy in the labs, feels like a knife being twisted in Kayda now.

    Great, Tansy invites her to join them and Kayda reads it as she doesn't really want her to, at least that is how it seems. Great, despite both Lanie and Tansy calling out to her, Kayda runs downstairs and passes Destry and Gorgon on the way. Talking about Lanie and Tansy lately always together just adds to Kayda's pain, gossiping idiots. And Kayda gets out and is trying to avoid her friends' notice, as Evvie and Naomi look for her. Great, going to 'her' hill to think, and thinking Lanie has replaced her.

    Uh oh, Kigatilik killed more shamans and even guns stung him but he figured out a trick to defend against them. Freezing a river so he could cross to continue to make his way towards Kayda.

    Finally she goes to talk with Mrs. Horton, and she is trying to simply avoid Lanie now instead of talking to her about how she feels, great. Kayda has learned how to deal with Ayla and Alex, Lina is no problem. Yet she tries to deny there is a problem with Lanie, wish she would learn from what happened in the past. Finally the dam breaks and she lets it all out, how she thinks Tansy took Lanie away as her best friend, all those fears coming out.

    Home-made peanut butter cookies. *tries not to drool* Oh boy, blows up at Lanie about not having any time for her anymore, always with Tansy and then bolts from the room to her room and locks the door. Mrs. Horton shows up and tries to reason with Kayda, saying they have to talk, she wishes to just run away from the problem, even if it means leaving Whateley, oh boy.

    Ouch, hurt Lanie like that with those words, Kayda knows she is being irrational and illogical but doesn't wish to admit it. And finally! Lanie is getting through to her, just when they first met at the hot-tub party was when they clicked and knew they would be friends. Saying Kayda is the sister she never had. Kayda is just afraid, of being pushed aside, of losing her best friend. Thank you for resolving that so beautifully and so soon.

    Good lord, those poor people on the freighter Havet Engel, hitting an ice flow like that left by Kigatilik. Hope they are evacuate in time and rescue crews show up fast. What a cliffhanger to leave it on, signs of the shaman killer's passing and how it affected people in the area.

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  • Oh yes, were the pacman like monsters from Native American mythology? Because I remember reading about things a lot like them that were created from gluttonous people.
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  • Domoviye wrote: Oh yes, were the pacman like monsters from Native American mythology? Because I remember reading about things a lot like them that were created from gluttonous people.


    I think their main problem was that they forgot to bring Inky, Pinky, and Blinky with them....

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  • Regarding the Pac-men and the devil-dogs:

    Hint - has anyone read a 41-chapter (give or take) epic from Morpheus about otherworldly pests and 'things' that want to slip through a gateway to Earth - and how he describes them? (or even the name of the story I'm thinking of? Relates to a mythological name? Anyone?)

    As to Kayda - yeah, the angst-o-meter is getting dialed up a bit. What can I say - EE and I like torturing her! But there may be some as-yet-unrevealed issues coming up. But I think this will be the last set of real angsty stuff - I fear we broke the angst-generator / amplifier here! :lol:

    And we'll learn more about Chou and her summer. And Hank has a small, fun part. And EE and I and Joe have outlined up through Kayda 11 - with some serious surprises.

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  • not to mention that the bear the bitch and everything is already just shy of 13,000 words…

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    8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #43 by Esar
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  • elrodw wrote: Hint - has anyone read a 41-chapter (give or take) epic from Morpheus about otherworldly pests and 'things' that want to slip through a gateway to Earth - and how he describes them? (or even the name of the story I'm thinking of? Relates to a mythological name? Anyone?)


    His Val Kyr story ? With the idea that we draw our cultural images/imagination from this common pool of existing creatures and that's why we can see twisted similitude ? (I remember the encounter with the unicorns ... they like children. Well, they like to eat children at least.) ?
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  • Esar wrote:

    elrodw wrote: Hint - has anyone read a 41-chapter (give or take) epic from Morpheus about otherworldly pests and 'things' that want to slip through a gateway to Earth - and how he describes them? (or even the name of the story I'm thinking of? Relates to a mythological name? Anyone?)


    His Val Kyr story ? With the idea that we draw our cultural images/imagination from this common pool of existing creatures and that's why we can see twisted similitude ? (I remember the encounter with the unicorns ... they like children. Well, they like to eat children at least.) ?


    More specifically, it was a veiled homage to Val Kyr and the ball that was mouth and teeth in the garage scene, and the hellhounds that attacked in the first battle scene in the school hallway.

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  • Good story so far. I like seeing that the girls are working it out.

    One slightly confusing bit:

    My concern heightened when Mrs. Shugendo walked into Mrs. Carson's office, and it really peaked when Mr. Lodgeman went in. And when I glanced, at Ms. Hartford, she had a bemused smile. That was the one thing that was most unsettling.

    After what seemed an eternity of waiting, even though the clock said it was less than four minutes, the phone on Ms. Claire's desk buzzed, and after answering, she simply told me to go into the conference room. I could have done without the wisecrack that I should know the way pretty well by now.

    "Sit down, please," Mrs. Carson nodded toward a chair opposite her desk, which was a lot more intimidating than the more casual conversations where she sat in the casual furniture group.


    We know there actually is a conference room in that area, but it looks like all the action is taking place in Carson's office.
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  • Actually, when the "demon-floating-ball-with-huge-mouth" comes up, besides Pac-Man, what comes to mind is the Cacodemons in DOOM.

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  • If only the teenage over-angst story didn't publish on, what was down here, the last day of the summer holidays.

    I was really sick and tired of teenage angst. (16,13,12,11, and a 10 year old)
    8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #48 by Malady
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  • Amalie not Amelia. The latter's Hartford... Eww... Need Brain Bleach...

    The Shaman-killer's Kayda's monster, and this is Kayda's story, so Kayda's gotta fight it. ... Is it gonna be the fight that ends up healing the Tansy x Kayda x Lanie relationship?

    Also, the sexuality between Kayda and Lanie, and their Soul-Sister relationship gives me Squick 'cause when phrased like that, it sounds incesty.

    We know Lanie got Magically Messed with... I wonder if that has made itself visible in any of the interactions we've seen... Whatever happened...

    How does extra-dimensionality work? It's not a 4th physical one... Is it even accessible through physics? Or is magic needed? ... How are extradimensional beasts edible??

    ... I'm putting null0trooper's micro as my headcanon 'cause it's just so funny!

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    ... Hmm... Been editing the TLW's wiki page... Tansy's reformed... If the TLW believe it, things might get interesting... Tansy's not handling the Junior High kids anymore though...

    What does Belphegor want with the Gearheads???
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  • Malady wrote: What does Belphegor want with the Gearheads???


    Obviously to check to see if there is anything not bolted down or load-jacked Err I mean to come up with an amazing suspension system for a Belph mobile....

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  • The degree to which Tansy has reformed is an open question. Yes, she's less bitchy, and she's finally opening herself to her own sexuality, which has the potential of mellowing her out.. but OTOH, she's actively seeking an apprenticeship into the Syndicate, as Hartford's protégé no less. Which is going to be her final alignment is... well, not open for debate, since E.E. probably has defined plans, but subject to speculation.

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    8 years 2 months ago #51 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Sir Lee wrote: The degree to which Tansy has reformed is an open question. Yes, she's less bitchy, and she's finally opening herself to her own sexuality, which has the potential of mellowing her out.. but OTOH, she's actively seeking an apprenticeship into the Syndicate, as Hartford's protégé no less. Which is going to be her final alignment is... well, not open for debate, since E.E. probably has defined plans, but subject to speculation.


    To quote the intro speech to the TV show Leverage, of which my wife is infinitely fascinated, "sometimes bad guys make the best good guys…"

    Now as to what that has to do with anything, it's certainly a matter of debate.…

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  • Sir Lee wrote: The degree to which Tansy has reformed is an open question. Yes, she's less bitchy, and she's finally opening herself to her own sexuality, which has the potential of mellowing her out.. but OTOH, she's actively seeking an apprenticeship into the Syndicate, as Hartford's protégé no less. Which is going to be her final alignment is... well, not open for debate, since E.E. probably has defined plans, but subject to speculation.


    Would E.E. define evil plans for his characters? Would he ask me to be a co-conspirator? Would either of us think of torturing our characters by pegging the old angst-o-meter? Do either of us even LOOK remotely wicked?

    Nah .... it could never happen :evil:

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  • Sir Lee wrote: The degree to which Tansy has reformed is an open question. Yes, she's less bitchy, and she's finally opening herself to her own sexuality, which has the potential of mellowing her out.. but OTOH, she's actively seeking an apprenticeship into the Syndicate, as Hartford's protégé no less. Which is going to be her final alignment is... well, not open for debate, since E.E. probably has defined plans, but subject to speculation.

    Hartford is a grey hat, she doesn't care if you are for the law or against it.

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    8 years 2 months ago #54 by E. E. Nalley
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  • elrodw wrote:
    Do either of us even LOOK remotely wicked?


    Of course we don't look wicked! Wicked is… Oh, wait, that would be telling…

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    8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #55 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: "sometimes bad guys make the best good guys…"


    And if Worm is anything to go by, sometimes good guys make the best bad guys.

    Wreck-it Ralph wrote: I’m bad, and that’s good. I will never be good, and that’s not bad. There’s no one I’d rather be than me.



    Tansy has started to care about other people. That says reform to me, regardless of all else. Of course, everything is a matter of degrees.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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  • Well Hartford does the dirty work for Carson, you know all the things that heros are not supposed to do but need to be done. Sort of like Giles killing Ben at the end of season 5 of Buffy. I don't remember his exact line but it was something along the lines of "Buffy would never hurt you, she's a hero, I however am not a hero."

    And its pretty clear Hartford is angling to pull a generation Xerox, with Tansy developing a similar realtionship with Elaine. Oh hell, she stright out said it in Boys of Summer.
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  • Hm... Hartford and Carson, Tansy and Lanie, Sahar and Zenith... Step one of Whateley's Villain Redemption Program appears to be "Find a hot girl with morals, and do everything she says" :twisted:

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  • The discussion reminds me of another popular "bad girl"
    (Meg Masters, Supernatural, "Reading is Fundamental")

    The quote starts around the 36-second mark.


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  • elrodw wrote: As to Kayda - yeah, the angst-o-meter is getting dialed up a bit. What can I say - EE and I like torturing her! But there may be some as-yet-unrevealed issues coming up. But I think this will be the last set of real angsty stuff - I fear we broke the angst-generator / amplifier here! :lol:


    This chapter was the one that I, so far, have least liked. It's like she gets to Whateley and everything she's learned and done is sucked out of her brain. Sure she's upset about Lainie and Tansy, but she got pounded on enough by Bardue, Mr. Two Sheds Knives, and everything else that she should know that she needs head on straight in the Sims.

    Still waiting for someone to point out to Tansy that she needs to apologize to Ayla, Jade, Jinn, Nikki, Billie and the rest of TK.

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  • Malady wrote: Amalie not Amelia. The latter's Hartford... Eww... Need Brain Bleach...

    Amelia is Ms. Hartford's 1st name, but Addy's little sister is Amelie. The only difference in the spelling of their 1st name is the last letter. Which makes it easy for mental association and bad mental images, yikes. :pinch:

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  • Someone needs to teach Kayda that the only appropriate answer to "Do you know why I've called you here?" (or "Do you know why I pulled you over?") is a calm and respectful, "No, I do not."

    Don't ever admit to anything if you don't have to.
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  • bergy wrote: Someone needs to teach Kayda that the only appropriate answer to "Do you know why I've called you here?" (or "Do you know why I pulled you over?") is a calm and respectful, "No, I do not."

    Don't ever admit to anything if you don't have to.


    Or "To thank me for donating so much time/money to the local orphanage right? The looks on their little faces was so heartwarming, I have pictures."

    Rereading the story, I really want to see Chou's summer vacation. The story about her and the would be hostage taker was priceless.
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    bergy wrote: Someone needs to teach Kayda that the only appropriate answer to "Do you know why I've called you here?" (or "Do you know why I pulled you over?") is a calm and respectful, "No, I do not."

    Don't ever admit to anything if you don't have to.


    Or "To thank me for donating so much time/money to the local orphanage right? The looks on their little faces was so heartwarming, I have pictures."

    Rereading the story, I really want to see Chou's summer vacation. The story about her and the would be hostage taker was priceless.

    I am getting vibes that PART of it was adopted from Absinthe, so that they didn't have to completely shift MCO behavior to account for relevant plot threads. After all Chou is NOT a mutant.

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  • And the classic (for when a number of people were all summoned at once): "Because one of us is the murderer! Oh no! I bet is Col. Mustard, in the kitchen, with the wrench!"

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  • Domoviye wrote:

    bergy wrote: Someone needs to teach Kayda that the only appropriate answer to "Do you know why I've called you here?" (or "Do you know why I pulled you over?") is a calm and respectful, "No, I do not."

    Don't ever admit to anything if you don't have to.


    Or "To thank me for donating so much time/money to the local orphanage right? The looks on their little faces was so heartwarming, I have pictures."

    Rereading the story, I really want to see Chou's summer vacation. The story about her and the would be hostage taker was priceless.


    I want to read Chou's Spring Break. Visiting every Disney Park in a week.

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  • One fan posted a comment at the tail end of the story, so I'm copying it here for discussion.

    Duck. This is a massive problem of lack of self-worth here. Mixed with some really twisted pride. Just when it looked like things were going up.

    Kayda really doesn't think she deserves anything she got, or that she's worth anything more than her powers, eh? Girl, powers don't make you liked or loved. Just ask Tansy how loved she was.

    (WMG: she doesn't summon Tatanka that much also because 1) Initial duck-ups and 2) "Buffalo Girl? Fah, she's only worth being around because of her Buffalo thingie. She? Just. Useless" is playing again and again in her head.).

    Discovered Whateley with her, and still my favorite character. Please continue the good work, and please let her find some way to get out of this funk.


    Thanks - it means a LOT to an author to have someone name one of their characters as favorite.

    As to the funk? There's a reason behind it, but you'd have to go back to earlier in the story sequence - there's a scene with an exchange between Wakan Tanka and Grizzly and it might be in one of EE's stories (The Kodiak Conspiracy, maybe) - and that's the see of the idea that's germinated and sprouted. It will end by the conclusion of Kayda 10 - and we'll see a stronger, smarter girl as a result of this.

    Does our heroine have such self doubts? Or is something else at play here, and if so, who and why?

    For the answers to these and other important questions, tune in to our next episode of "As Kayda's World Turns" :D

    One thing I'm pleased with - other canon authors are very helpful in contributing ideas and/or scenes to this tale. So far, there are parts (some yet to be revealed) by JG, Poetheather (aka Bladedancer & Heather O'Malley), and of course, my best friend on this site EE Nalley.

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    8 years 2 months ago #67 by E. E. Nalley
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  • it might indeed be in the Kodiak Conspiracy. it might even be in chapter 2 of you are so inclined…

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  • My initial thoughts upon finishing part 2 was that unless there was some sort of conspiracy (con-spirit-cy?) going on (when isn't there? I'd like to note those spell circles around Whateley that inflamed emotions) that it was all being laid on a little too thick, in my opinion. Maybe more than a little. So it seems I was right on that conspiracy part, not that it's hard to guess when you two share ideas.

    But there's more to come, so as infuriating as it was to read, I look forward to whatever demented resolution is planned in those heads of yours. :-p

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
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  • So... I'm reading things as If Kayda had come to Whateley as Brandon, he and Lanie might have hooked up instead of Lanie and Wyatt, and their kid would have been the originally planned one to house Kayda's spirits.

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    8 years 2 months ago #70 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Cryptic wrote: So... I'm reading things as If Kayda had come to Whateley as Brandon, he and Lanie might have hooked up instead of Lanie and Wyatt, and their kid would have been the originally planned one to house Kayda's spirits.


    That is a very interesting theory! Hmmmm...

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: it might indeed be in the Kodiak Conspiracy. it might even be in chapter 2 of you are so inclined…

    :evil:


    I think I found the conversation to which you were referring... in The Riddle of Sappho, Canto V. :???

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  • The Disney Park trip was Spring Break, not Summer Break. Summer Break is a lot more hardcore, especially the second half.

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  • Bladedancer wrote: The Disney Park trip was Spring Break, not Summer Break. Summer Break is a lot more hardcore, especially the second half.

    Does this mean that Chou's summer has been or is being written?

    If so, that's a good sign.
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  • What really bothers/frustrates me about this chapter is that Kayda is talking to the wrong people about fixing her self-inflicted angst. That includes Lanie. Talking to Lanie and Mrs. Horton is only going to spin Kayda up more. She should be talking to Chou ("How do the three of you make it work so easily?") and especially, Kayda needs to talk to Tansy.

    Tansy has been there. Tansy has been betrayed and unloved all her life. Tansy has been lonely. Hartford warned her not to separate Kayda and Lanie, but she actually didn't even have to, because Tansy hadn't really thought about it. In Tansy's POV, both of them had become her friends. She actually befriended Kayda before Lanie, during Kayda's earlier angst explosions. Tansy is one of the very few people who has been able to get through to Kayda when Kayda is driving herself insane, partly because of her power, but mostly because she can completely empathize with the feelings Kayda is being overwhelmed with.


    On brighter topics, I'm really enjoying the spiritual meta the authors have built, all tying to the Big Bad and the in-universe chronological mythos. I think I have this right:
    • Bastard begins to kill Sidhe who can't harm him, but the magic of The People hurts him bad. Bastard makes Kitagilik, which hunts The People.
    • The Sundering occurs, but The People, even though they were betrayed by the Sidhe, kept a single tree seed safe, capable of restoring the Sidhe.
    • The People have their own demons, which the Sidhe cannot be driven insane by (and possibly can't even be corrupted by?), so the Sidhe, suddenly reappearing in large numbers, can provide support roles to The People at the beginning of the 4th Age.
    • Kitagilik is coerced to kill The People's shamans once more, and his power over The People is displayed with his ability to flicker between the physical and spiritual worlds...but we've been made aware of a specific spiritually-inclined girl, loosely tied to the Bastard's arch-foe, who exists in both worlds simultaneously, and her saurian friend who specializes in shredding such things, similarly deliberately blessed by fate.

    Clever, clever, and very satisfying.
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  • Katssun wrote: but we've been made aware of a specific spiritually-inclined girl, loosely tied to the Bastard's arch-foe, who exists in both worlds simultaneously, and her saurian friend who specializes in shredding such things, similarly deliberately blessed by fate.[/li]


    Don't forget about Frank who can fully manifest in the Astral world.
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  • Katssun wrote: Kayda needs to talk to Tansy.


    I think you will find the coming chapters quite satisfying Then.

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  • Minor timeline correction/expansion...
    * Bastard kills the World Trees but for unknown reasons keeps a single seed, maybe as a trophy, but maybe he had plans for it (such as corrupting it so he could create a new generation of World Trees which would generate Mythos-compatible mana instead of Sidhe-compatible mana)
    * The People steal the seed from The Bastard and keep it hidden long enough that everybody seems to have forgotten what it really is. I would guess that they were subtle enough that The Bastard has never figured out who took it. Over the eons, everybody forgot what it actually was. Even rumor of a mystical "Orb" weren't strong enough to attract the attention of the Bastard.
    * Uhncegila for some reason decides that the Orb was important for his return to power. He unwittingly brings it to the attention of the worst possible person, from his POV: someone who can recognize it and return it to the Sidhe.

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  • I suppose I forgot to mention it in my last post. If you had to define Kayda in a single sentence, it would be, "She never listens to the people who love her the most."

    Not Walkie Talkie, not Tonka Trucka, not her mother, not Lanie, not Debra, not Evvie, not Rosalyn, not Fey, etc. She always thinks they're patronizing her when they're trying to get through to her.

    I almost hope Tansy slaps her across the face, just so she'll listen.
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  • Katssun wrote:
    I almost hope Tansy slaps her across the face, just so she'll listen.


    Prophetic words indeed…

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  • I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends; with the exception of the rape and gender change, the angst, jealousy over friends, blowing things out of proportion, worry about friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc (daughter is boy-crazy, so it's not GFs in her case, but still ....) - school, classes, popularity, losing friends, feeling worthwhile, etc -
    IT'S ALL FROM REAL LIFE. I'm not making it up just to torture Kayda. And my daughter is the CALM one among her friends! :ohmy:

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum....

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  • I can only speak for myself, but I think a lot of our reaction to Kayda's experiences is because they sometimes hit a little too close to home due to the way you've conveyed them.

    I had been going through a pretty rough time in my own life the last several months, spinning myself into a mess, lashing out, and headed toward self-destructive activities. What resulted was that I wasn't sleeping well, so I started reading the Kayda stories from the beginning, back to back. I'll happily admit it brought me to tears quite a few times (as have other stories from the rest of the cabal).

    The spring term saga, and a few other real life things and changes, have helped put things back into perspective, and I sorted my life out. Not the same as it was, but it never is.

    I think we get angry at Kayda because we've been there too. We see parts of ourselves in her, and get frustrated when she's making herself worse.

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    You'd think that angsty teenage drama would stop after high school and early college. Sadly...not the case. You'd think adults would act like adults. Some don't or can't. School cliques are replaced by workplace and neighborhood cliques.

    I was getting paranoid, isolating myself didn't help, trying to stay out of it didn't help, it started to develop into a persecution complex, self-medicating...sound familiar? :P
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  • elrodw wrote: I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends; with the exception of the rape and gender change, the angst, jealousy over friends, blowing things out of proportion, worry about friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc (daughter is boy-crazy, so it's not GFs in her case, but still ....) - school, classes, popularity, losing friends, feeling worthwhile, etc -
    IT'S ALL FROM REAL LIFE. I'm not making it up just to torture Kayda. And my daughter is the CALM one among her friends! :ohmy:

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum....


    Your daughter leads an interesting life. How many snake demons has she killed? :ohmy:

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  • Valentine wrote:

    elrodw wrote: I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends; with the exception of the rape and gender change, the angst, jealousy over friends, blowing things out of proportion, worry about friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc (daughter is boy-crazy, so it's not GFs in her case, but still ....) - school, classes, popularity, losing friends, feeling worthwhile, etc -
    IT'S ALL FROM REAL LIFE. I'm not making it up just to torture Kayda. And my daughter is the CALM one among her friends! :ohmy:

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum....


    Your daughter leads an interesting life. How many snake demons has she killed? :ohmy:


    She hasn't killed any, but she's quite convinced that two of her teachers are at least as bad as snake-demons! :lol:

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  • elrodw wrote: I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends; with the exception of the rape and gender change, the angst, jealousy over friends, blowing things out of proportion, worry about friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc (daughter is boy-crazy, so it's not GFs in her case, but still ....) - school, classes, popularity, losing friends, feeling worthwhile, etc -
    IT'S ALL FROM REAL LIFE. I'm not making it up just to torture Kayda. And my daughter is the CALM one among her friends! :ohmy:

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum....


    Well, if you care about your friendships, you fear them being lost...

    But, was this aspect of Kayda's personality hinted at in previous stories? If so, where? Then again, this might be the first time that it's come up?
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    elrodw wrote: I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends; with the exception of the rape and gender change, the angst, jealousy over friends, blowing things out of proportion, worry about friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc (daughter is boy-crazy, so it's not GFs in her case, but still ....) - school, classes, popularity, losing friends, feeling worthwhile, etc -
    IT'S ALL FROM REAL LIFE. I'm not making it up just to torture Kayda. And my daughter is the CALM one among her friends! :ohmy:

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum....


    Well, if you care about your friendships, you fear them being lost...

    But, was this aspect of Kayda's personality hinted at in previous stories? If so, where? Then again, this might be the first time that it's come up?

    Well, her fear of losing friends seems to me to come from a similar place as her fear of being unable to fit in when she arrives at school late. It's not quite the same, but at the core they aren't that much different - just coming at the same idea from different directions.

    There's a lot to be said for watching a character bloom and grow beyond their initial annoying traits.

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  • elrodw wrote: I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends;


    I've been on the receiving side of a mid-grade school move myself (in 3rd grade too! no less, and throw in a noticeably different accent) That's one of the reasons there's no suspension of disbelief on my part for Kayda to still have problems making friends as a result of Brandon's unresolved issues only a few years later.

    That's part of why I don't see "Small Mercies" requiring a retcon to Kayda's stories, not even because she can be oblivious at times. Her POV, especially the plot-relevant parts, simply wouldn't have included someone so far outside of "her crowd", and she had enough trouble getting to know them.

    Maybe the angst is hard for some readers because it still rings true to their experiences?

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  • There's no reason for kayda to notice any of the Outcasts. They've had ample reason to close ranks and "go dark" including Anomaly. They have their own issues. None of which include pinging on Kaydas radar, no matter how close they live.

    You'll see the third reason they close ranks soon

    First is Darwin trauma

    Second is they get Monica back, and it takes time before she reintegrates with her sister and OC.

    You will see the third reason they close ranks soon.

    No retcons of anything needed. Because when people get blindsided by the traumas of their life? They often miss that which the people nearby are dealing with.
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  • Malady wrote: ^ Well, I bet third reason will explain the Deimos-Phobos Split...


    Ahhh ...

    Yeah .... no .... maybe ... possibly somewhat.

    Um, you're really not going to like it.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Malady wrote: ^ Well, I bet third reason will explain the Deimos-Phobos Split...


    Ahhh ...

    Yeah .... no .... maybe ... possibly somewhat.

    Um, you're really not going to like it.


    Well, that's ominous. Betting Phobos is dying next week. Everyone, start mourning? ... Wait, no... We've seen the mourning for 2006-2007, and Phobos was unmentioned... So no?

    Wait, are we not gonna like the reason for the split, or the reason for the closing of ranks? ... .... How can there be unsurety in whether it'll explain the DP Split??
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  • Malady wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Malady wrote: ^ Well, I bet third reason will explain the Deimos-Phobos Split...


    Ahhh ...

    Yeah .... no .... maybe ... possibly somewhat.

    Um, you're really not going to like it.


    Well, that's ominous. Betting Phobos is dying next week. Everyone, start mourning? ... Wait, no... We've seen the mourning for 2006-2007, and Phobos was unmentioned... So no?

    Wait, are we not gonna like the reason for the split, or the reason for the closing of ranks? ... .... How can there be unsurety in whether it'll explain the DP Split??


    Paranoia ... check
    Confusion .... check
    Begging ... check

    Hey JG, my jobs done. All up to you now buddy!
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  • elrodw wrote:

    Valentine wrote:

    elrodw wrote: I know some of you don't particularly care for the angst that Kayda seems to keep going through. Let me assure you that while you think I'm overdoing it, this is all patterned on my teenage daughter and her friends; with the exception of the rape and gender change, the angst, jealousy over friends, blowing things out of proportion, worry about friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc (daughter is boy-crazy, so it's not GFs in her case, but still ....) - school, classes, popularity, losing friends, feeling worthwhile, etc -
    IT'S ALL FROM REAL LIFE. I'm not making it up just to torture Kayda. And my daughter is the CALM one among her friends! :ohmy:

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum....


    Your daughter leads an interesting life. How many snake demons has she killed? :ohmy:


    She hasn't killed any, but she's quite convinced that two of her teachers are at least as bad as snake-demons! :lol:


    Well, if she's going to Sunnydale High her principal might be a snake demon. Tell me, is your daughter's name Buffy and does she spend a lot of time in the library?
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  • bergy wrote:
    Well, if she's going to Sunnydale High her principal might be a snake demon. Tell me, is your daughter's name Buffy and does she spend a lot of time in the library?


    Not since they fired that creepy British librarian…

    :evil:

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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Paranoia ... check
    Confusion .... check
    Begging ... check

    Hey JG, my jobs done. All up to you now buddy!


    Excellent. Thanks for the assist.
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  • Wait... We never got the total memorial / funeral thing, which appeared in Hank3 and Kayda8? So, Phobos Death is still possible?
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  • Well, the memorial doesn't really matter since there are all sorts of ways she might have died and just not been included on the list. For example, she may have departed with the intention of staying far away from her sister to minimize the danger of hurting innocents, and then died off campus with no one the wiser. Or somebody could have murdered her on-campus and used magic, psychic powers, or a doppelganger to make everybody think she's just been put on a bus. Or she could have revealed herself to be so incredibly evil before dying that the administration chose not to give her the respect of being included in the memorial. Or it could be that Razorback and Jimmy T ate her, and nobody wanted to think about it long enough to add her name to the list. Or it could be that she asked a metaphorical genie not to let her hurt anyone ever again, with the result being that she was not only unable to defend her life when somebody attacked, but nobody who cared about her felt upset enough about it to remember to include her in the memorial service.

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  • Or it could be included In a sentence as innocuous as, "Mrs. Carson read out the names of those who had died in the previous year, students and faculty while a somber mood hung over the assembly…"

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  • Well, technically it's not that specific character, but the similarities are definitely noted. And yes, the author of that noteworthy character was consulted and helped on the scene in question. At this point, the character is also just a cameo, pending more TINCC discussions.

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  • Dreamer wrote: Still reading part 3 of the story, but have to post part of my comments here right now. Will do them in spoiler tags, but it is huge!

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    I am not kidding I just got that far and give my formal farewell to sanity.

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  • You think you hate Coyote now? HEHEHE. Just wait! You ain't seen nothing yet!

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  • So Tansy has the ability to read emotions from distances across nearly the whole campus, Real World Bitch experience to bring a person to heightened emotional states, then can use her glamour to project a person they trust, making them drop their mental defenses and letting her burrow all the way in...where she's scared to realize how much she can manipulate a person once she's at that level if she ignores psychic ethics 101.

    No wonder Hartford and the Syndicate want to recruit her. That's only a part of her skill set...

    But...I'm so glad she and Kayda finally had it out and can admit they've been friends.

    So...Tansy and Murphy going at it isn't gonna go quite as smoothly? :P
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  • Katssun wrote: So...Tansy and Murphy going at it isn't gonna go quite as smoothly? :P


    How we'll know they've achieved a truce: No more rocks in the snowballs. Chanel No. 5 , on the other hand :whistle:

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Katssun wrote: How we'll know they've achieved a truce: No more rocks in the snowballs. Chanel No. 5 , on the other hand :whistle:


    No more rocks in snowballs???

    WHY DOES NOBODY TELL ME THESE THINGS???

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  • JG wrote:

    null0trooper wrote: How we'll know they've achieved a truce: No more rocks in the snowballs. Chanel No. 5 , on the other hand :whistle:


    No more rocks in snowballs???

    WHY DOES NOBODY TELL ME THESE THINGS???


    That's after the truce, And at least a 3 or 4 weeks into the school year (they do need snow).

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  • Valentine wrote: (they do need snow).


    Very true...

    Unless a certain Alaskan thinks it's funny to hide a couple dozen packed snowballs in a freezer for a rainy day.
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  • JG wrote:

    Valentine wrote: (they do need snow).


    Very true...

    Unless a certain Alaskan thinks it's funny to hide a couple dozen packed snowballs in a freezer for a rainy day.

    Wasn't she already doing that in April or so? Storing snowballs (rocks and all) in hyperspace with her knife and other toys? Ready for Tansy's cheek when the opportunity arose.
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  • Katssun wrote: So who is the knot of super-lust Tansy felt in Melville? Tiny reference to Envy or did Jobe finally see Thunderbird for the first time this semester?


    Too bad she wasn't more curious about that, as I am guessing it was actually under Melville. Still, I doubt she'll put two and two together, as I don't think she knows enough of the details about Sara's disappearance...

    Or it could just be the 100 horny teenaged Exemplars who live there, but that would be boring.

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  • Also, did I mention how scary the prospect of both Coyote and Sun Wu Kong being on campus at the same time is?

    (Especially if my guess about Cheese, as shown in some of my fanfic , turns out to be even remotely close to correct... maybe throw in Hanuman and they could play a rubber of Bridge on top of the Crystal Hall. No, on second thought, they're more the Cards Against Humanity types, aren't they?)

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  • Oh crap, it just occurred to me that we don't know much about Arachne's spirit. I doubt it is Anansi but.... well, it would be exciting on campus, to say the least.

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  • JG wrote:

    Valentine wrote: (they do need snow).


    Very true...

    Unless a certain Alaskan thinks it's funny to hide a couple dozen packed snowballs in a freezer for a rainy day.


    I just think it would be funny for a pack of werewolves to gang up on Tansy like that. As long as Eloise can get video for bla-, erm, archival purposes.

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  • I don't think Tansy is that kind of bitch...

    I can already hear Eloise shouting "Dammit, Carl!" over something like this. (I think Sarah Hazen has better self-control when wolfed out than Carl has in any of his forms.)

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  • Just a quick question here - snowballs and rocks and Tansy and werewolves are comments about Kayda 10 in what way?

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  • Anticipating conflict on the part of the readers.

    But point.

    Further discussion of rock-packed snowballs should be deferred to the murphy thread or murphy's laws thread
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    I see that Tansy has lost much of her subtlety and situational awareness. She was so intent on getting hooked up with Lanie, she forgot about paying attention to the don't break up Lanie and Kayda bit.

    Tansy is seemingly quite inconsistent, she comes up with a brilliant idea to find Kayda, but completely blew her chance to be Alpha Female by being an idiot. She quickly wormed her way in with Kayda and Lanie, but her plan against Nikki, Jade, and Billie was pretty stupid.

    It's like her brain has an On-Off switch, and she turns it off way too much of the time.

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    I see that Tansy has lost much of her subtlety and situational awareness. She was so intent on getting hooked up with Lanie, she forgot about paying attention to the don't break up Lanie and Kayda bit.

    Tansy is seemingly quite inconsistent, she comes up with a brilliant idea to find Kayda, but completely blew her chance to be Alpha Female by being an idiot. She quickly wormed her way in with Kayda and Lanie, but her plan against Nikki, Jade, and Billie was pretty stupid.

    It's like her brain has an On-Off switch, and she turns it off way too much of the time.

    EE and I have noticed, and he's got something in work for that. With a few suggestions from me ... BWAH HAH HAH HAH!!! :evil:

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  • Valentine wrote: Tansy is seemingly quite inconsistent, she comes up with a brilliant idea to find Kayda, but completely blew her chance to be Alpha Female by being an idiot. She quickly wormed her way in with Kayda and Lanie, but her plan against Nikki, Jade, and Billie was pretty stupid.

    It's like her brain has an On-Off switch, and she turns it off way too much of the time.

    What was Tansy's motivation though? Become Alpha female. Why? Did she even know? Maybe to her, being leader of the Alphas meant being surrounded by "friends." She had a poorly defined goal, with no guarantee of success.

    It's been brought up before that she never used to apply herself. After being ousted, ostracized, and recognizing she was a bitch, and overhearing Nimbus, she's changed. She paid attention, but never really tried. She and Murphy are disturbingly alike. One is a reformed queen bee, the other has ADD.

    She and Kayda also share a lot of similarities. Brandon never really fit in, and was bullied. Once Kayda, developed a huge complex about it and overreacts constantly. Tansy was "ugly" and was bullied by Goodkinds. Once pretty, overcompensated and became the very people she hated because she thought it was the way to being popular. Kayda went inward, Tansy went outward. Both backfired horribly.

    Now Tansy has friends. She's going to work much harder and more diligently to keep them.
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  • null0trooper wrote: Maybe the angst is hard for some readers because it still rings true to their experiences?


    The angst is hard for this reader because I avoid drama. Kayda is drama turned up to 11. I would not be her friend and would happily not have a place in her life.

    Life is too short for drama. And before reading chapter 3 I was getting ready to ditch Kayda stories in the future regardless of how much I'm enjoying the Tansy transformation because it seems like Kayda made a breakthrough at the end of spring and now she's back where she started. Chapter 3 at least shows she is being influenced by Coyote. So some of that 11 rating is his fault.

    Also, the end of chapter 3 was unexpected. I didn't expect Tansy's attempt to help to smash into Mrs. Horton's attempt so catastrophically, leaving me want to see chapter 4 asap.
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  • Katssun wrote:

    Valentine wrote: Tansy is seemingly quite inconsistent, she comes up with a brilliant idea to find Kayda, but completely blew her chance to be Alpha Female by being an idiot. She quickly wormed her way in with Kayda and Lanie, but her plan against Nikki, Jade, and Billie was pretty stupid.

    It's like her brain has an On-Off switch, and she turns it off way too much of the time.

    What was Tansy's motivation though? Become Alpha female. Why? Did she even know? Maybe to her, being leader of the Alphas meant being surrounded by "friends." She had a poorly defined goal, with no guarantee of success.

    It's been brought up before that she never used to apply herself. After being ousted, ostracized, and recognizing she was a bitch, and overhearing Nimbus, she's changed. She paid attention, but never really tried. She and Murphy are disturbingly alike. One is a reformed queen bee, the other has ADD.

    She and Kayda also share a lot of similarities. Brandon never really fit in, and was bullied. Once Kayda, developed a huge complex about it and overreacts constantly. Tansy was "ugly" and was bullied by Goodkinds. Once pretty, overcompensated and became the very people she hated because she thought it was the way to being popular. Kayda went inward, Tansy went outward. Both backfired horribly.

    Now Tansy has friends. She's going to work much harder and more diligently to keep them.


    Does she really have friends? She was ordered to get close to them by Hartford, just like she was ordered to get close to Paul Goodkind, and Biff Matherson by her father. She just traded one controller for another. How long before Hartford gets what she wants, and tells Tansy to drop Lanie and Kayda so she can move on to a new target.

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  • This is actually a plot point so I won't get too deep into the specifics expect to save folks an archive binge by pointing out that Tansy sought out Banned-Aids help, was attacked by Montana and had her epiphany consequentially shielding and tentatively befriending Kayda from Mindbird on May first. She the went to apologize and try to make friends with Loophole on May fifth. She doesn't receive her first email from Hindmost until May 12th...

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  • jmhyp wrote:

    null0trooper wrote: Maybe the angst is hard for some readers because it still rings true to their experiences?


    The angst is hard for this reader because I avoid drama. Kayda is drama turned up to 11. I would not be her friend and would happily not have a place in her life.

    Life is too short for drama. And before reading chapter 3 I was getting ready to ditch Kayda stories in the future regardless of how much I'm enjoying the Tansy transformation because it seems like Kayda made a breakthrough at the end of spring and now she's back where she started. Chapter 3 at least shows she is being influenced by Coyote. So some of that 11 rating is his fault.

    Also, the end of chapter 3 was unexpected. I didn't expect Tansy's attempt to help to smash into Mrs. Horton's attempt so catastrophically, leaving me want to see chapter 4 asap.


    Too many cooks, and all that. Tansy and Mrs. Horton/Lanie were not on the same page, and didn't know what the other was up to. We'll see that.

    Drama? Kayda's drama IS heavily influenced by Coyote in this story, as we saw. And to quote the song, "You ain't seen nothin' yet!" Coyote is an even bigger prick in installments to come.

    And FYI - I have about 8 story ideas going forward for Kayda, and not a one of them has the emotional angst-o-meter up past 6. Or at least that's the plan. My muse might have some evil spirit mess with her some more. :twisted:

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  • jmhyp wrote: The angst is hard for this reader because I avoid drama. Kayda is drama turned up to 11. I would not be her friend and would happily not have a place in her life.

    Life is too short for drama. And before reading chapter 3 I was getting ready to ditch Kayda stories in the future regardless of how much I'm enjoying the Tansy transformation because it seems like Kayda made a breakthrough at the end of spring and now she's back where she started. Chapter 3 at least shows she is being influenced by Coyote. So some of that 11 rating is his fault.

    Also, the end of chapter 3 was unexpected. I didn't expect Tansy's attempt to help to smash into Mrs. Horton's attempt so catastrophically, leaving me want to see chapter 4 asap.


    Just curious, how many people with emotional depression do you know, jmhyp? My understanding is that it's a MESSY thing, and it seldom sports an easy road to total recovery, if such can really be said to exist. It ebbs and flows. Great progress can be made with time and patience only for someone to relapse quite quickly due to pure random chance and circumstance. That's what we're seeing here with Kayda, escalated by the fact that she has a powerful ancient spirit pushing her into it.

    I totally understand if it still isn't your cup of tea, there have been occasions when I have trouble reading Kayda as well, but don't belittle the fact that this actually a reasonable depiction of what many people go through throughout their lives. I KNOW it's tough for Elrod to write Kayda's low points, and I personally want to thank him for taking the time and effort to do so, even the parts that are hard for me to trudge through. In the end, for me they make the story better as a whole.

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  • NeoMagus wrote:

    jmhyp wrote: The angst is hard for this reader because I avoid drama. Kayda is drama turned up to 11. I would not be her friend and would happily not have a place in her life.

    Life is too short for drama. And before reading chapter 3 I was getting ready to ditch Kayda stories in the future regardless of how much I'm enjoying the Tansy transformation because it seems like Kayda made a breakthrough at the end of spring and now she's back where she started. Chapter 3 at least shows she is being influenced by Coyote. So some of that 11 rating is his fault.

    Also, the end of chapter 3 was unexpected. I didn't expect Tansy's attempt to help to smash into Mrs. Horton's attempt so catastrophically, leaving me want to see chapter 4 asap.


    Just curious, how many people with emotional depression do you know, jmhyp? My understanding is that it's a MESSY thing, and it seldom sports an easy road to total recovery, if such can really be said to exist. It ebbs and flows. Great progress can be made with time and patience only for someone to relapse quite quickly due to pure random chance and circumstance. That's what we're seeing here with Kayda, escalated by the fact that she has a powerful ancient spirit pushing her into it.

    I totally understand if it still isn't your cup of tea, there have been occasions when I have trouble reading Kayda as well, but don't belittle the fact that this actually a reasonable depiction of what many people go through throughout their lives. I KNOW it's tough for Elrod to write Kayda's low points, and I personally want to thank him for taking the time and effort to do so, even the parts that are hard for me to trudge through. In the end, for me they make the story better as a whole.


    Thank you for your nice commentary. I know Kayda can be hard to read; she's hard to write, too. I'm not upset with jmhyp - I know that Kayda is an angsty character, and that she's got a rough spot. Partially, that's due to her hero's journey, partly due to spirits messing with her, and part due to her change. But not every character is everyone's cup of tea. I accept that, and I accept and appreciate jmhyp's polite comments about that.

    Sometimes, we have difficulty reading (or writing) stories that hit too close to home, or they're dark when we need a happy moment. (If you want happy, wait until I write a Danny POV story about his trials and tribulations with Wondercute!)

    The cabal and I have been chatting some on our IRC channel and with the suggestions of many of my co-conspirators in writing, I've come up with at least 8 stories worth of plot ideas, and NONE of them have the degree of angst we did with this one. I say we because EE has been contributing plot ideas, some of which are delightfully wicked. But going forward, Kayda will have her challenges, albeit without the same degree of emotional turmoil. Will she have difficult choices? Yes. Will they cause her some emotional trouble? Yes. Do they break the old angst-o-meter? No, not even close. Thanks to our readers being thoughtful, even when writing something critical of a plot or character, I'm looking forward to writing more Kayda stories - and others as well.

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    *shivers* Why do I feel more afraid than reassured ?
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  • Esar wrote:

    elrodw wrote: (If you want happy, wait until I write a Danny POV story about his trials and tribulations with Wondercute!)


    *shivers* Why do I feel more afraid than reassured ?


    "Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?"

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  • Alright, if years of books, video games, comics, TV series and movies ever taught me any measure of saviness... (Don't open if you don't want to hear any speculation.)

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    Now, the story is most interesting, and I'm more than eager to read the next parts, especially after such a cliffhanger.

    Just a little question... Is it too much to hope that Coyote gets a little taste of point blank annihilation?
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  • Hardric wrote: Just a little question... Is it too much to hope that Coyote gets a little taste of point blank annihilation?


    Well, as he himself would say, "...I am Coyote and I have walked the spirit realms since the world was new and The Foreigner laid down Creation. Do battle with me at your peril!"

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Hardric wrote: Just a little question... Is it too much to hope that Coyote gets a little taste of point blank annihilation?


    Well, as he himself would say, "...I am Coyote and I have walked the spirit realms since the world was new and The Foreigner laid down Creation. Do battle with me at your peril!"


    I suggest it changes this for 'Wile E. Coyote. Suuuuper dead.' More seriously, I know that's wishful thinking, but playing/reading/watching things lie Shin Megami Tensei, Persona, Dresden Files and Supernatural gave me a pretty strong dislike for things like him. Seriously, the 'I Cannot Believe It' they all utter when spirits like him die in fiction, especially when a 'pesky human' do it, is so satisfying.

    Let's say I hate the idea it walks away without any sort of problem or conscequence, especially if the worst case scenario of my precedent post comes true.
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  • Coyote isn't something that can be fought. He's not a direct fighter. He won't go toe to toe with you.

    Trying to just blaze on Coyote or Raven is kinda like trying to kill smoke with bullets, and inviting misery and destruction.

    The only real way to bet either is to be the better trickster, and able to manipulate a situation in a manner that rivals a God.
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  • 10 to one, even if you come out of a deal with Coyote in a good situation... the only reason is because that's the outcome Coyote was shooting for... even if you may have felt like you were opposing him the whole time. Coyote... and Raven... have agendas that are better compared to geological timescales than to human ones. And at complexity levels that make mapping out a world's ecosystem look like a simple 100 piece puzzle for kids.

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  • And just because you think you're done with Coyote, doesn't mean the Coyote is done with you…!

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: And just because you think you're done with Coyote, doesn't mean the Coyote is done with you…!


    In this lifetime, or the next...

    Some spirits have long memories...

    Another interesting plot-hook to chew over.


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  • I'm back (sort of!) - so, what do we have here? Kayda and Lainie's relationship on the rocks - partially due to Coyote, but mainly due to Kayda's own insecurities and self-doubts. Hopefully the upcoming epic dual between Lainie's ancestor and Debra will end in stalemate (one way or another) and Kayda will start the process of learning that she really does have close friends, but also doesn't hold a monopoly on their affections. While Coyote does have an ulterior motive, in one respect he's right: Kayda needs to work through her issues herself and come to her own, independent decision - ironically, if Wakan Tanka turned up now, Kayda could possibly even imagine her to be part of the conspiracy...

    While Coyote's plans are currently focussed on Kayda, given he's likely to have access to the dreamspaces of most of campus, he could also potentially cause chaos for several other students before finding someone / a combination of people / spirits powerful enough to persuade him to depart campus and find other people's lives to mess up instead. One potential easy target would by Danny - exploiting his fear of being deliberately turned into a girl by Wihinape / revenge by his sister / most of campus in on the conspiracy (especially given how kyuute many girls think he is when he gets embarrassed and furrs up).

    Unhceglia's sole remaining spawn is nearing daddy dearest, and HPARC are hoping they've got sufficient capacity to cryo-freeze either/both - this is one battle which can't be won by Kayda, Nikki and friends (as the aim isn't to destroy the spawn). Meanwhile, Up North, I think Kigatilik's still on the loose...

    There's also what's currently a one-shot cameo by a character suspiciously similar to Tink - however, with ongoing discussions about the possibility of producing a canonical version of Tink that at least retains the essence of the character, it's possible (but by no means guaranteed) that the mischievous "fairy" may eventually turn out to be Tink (no doubt a case of wait and see - probably several further months down the line). Obviously, with the nature of Tink's mutation being radically different to anything seen before, her unusual manifestation, plus having originally been written primarily as comic relief, there's almost certainly plenty for Dom + Canon to discuss about how (if possible) she can be made canon compatible.

    As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
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  • Hardric wrote: Let's say I hate the idea it walks away without any sort of problem or conscequence, especially if the worst case scenario of my precedent post comes true.


    Coyote and Raven rarely walk away without their actions having any consequences for them. Not much of a trick if no one notices.

    Considering how often it's one or the other telling their own tale, the downer stories (from their POV, YMMV) simply don't get told unless they screwed up with style, in which case they meant to do that.

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  • and then sun wu kong visits and notices someone messing with his handmaidens new roomie lol
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  • JG wrote: The only real way to bet either is to be the better trickster, and able to manipulate a situation in a manner that rivals a God.

    Assuming someone like Kayda can't ask for help from someone like Iktomi...

    ...or someone else with a connection to Anansi or whoever.
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  • Being somewhat blunt here, it struck me while reading this how Kayda's character... diminishes. While she's upset like this, it's almost as if her character is reduced to a flat flaw or two, with her lacking depth. Add to that the extended and multiple periods when she's behaved like this...

    Now, granted that this time there's the notable presence of Coyote, specifically targeting those weaknesses and manipulating them, plus situations like Tansy meeting Brandon (and helping him heal a little, I'm sure) that differentiate it. Also that it didn't drag on, and got resolved (for now, at least) in sharp fashion.

    Continue on, Elrod.

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
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  • Ametros wrote: Being somewhat blunt here, it struck me while reading this how Kayda's character... diminishes. While she's upset like this, it's almost as if her character is reduced to a flat flaw or two, with her lacking depth. Add to that the extended and multiple periods when she's behaved like this...

    I kinda agree, but I kinda don't.

    Like Seraphim being a pushover or...hell...pretty much everyone in the entire canon(s), they're forged around an idea and branch endlessly from there. How they react to and interact with others given their seemingly simple basis is what makes the Whateley universe feel so real.

    Kayda's very core is fear of rejection.

    Will she be rejected by the students at Whateley? In her mind, maybe, in reality very much no. Was she rejected by her so-called friends from home? Yes. Will she be rejected by her family? No. Will she be rejected as (or not live up to) the mantle she exists as for The People? Emphatically Hell No. Will Cornflower reject her for her self-deluded "transgressions"? Never. Will Lanie reject her as a peer? No. Will Tansy reject her and supplant her? Turns out no. Has she been rejected for being an outed lesbian? Yes and no. Has Carson rejected her? Nope. Has Hartford? She changed her mind.

    And so on.

    Kayda becomes more because her very core is about her greatest fear, the one that Tansy exposed and in turn rejected as silly.

    It's the reason she selflessly fought to help Skybolt heal, why she connects so easily to underdogs (if only she could recognize they're her close friends), why she became Tansy's unofficial first real friend, the reason she never backs down from her forced destiny, why she cherishes her loved ones so fiercely.
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  • And that's why I fear she'll attempt suicide. She will blame herself for this fight between her girlfriend ('the only reason someone like her look at someone like me is because I brainwashed her') and her best friend ('I destroyed her gift and raped her, of course she'll go for someone better than le, like Tasy'). And of course, the fact she's got the self-worth of a garbage bin doesn't help, since it makes her 'forget' anything' but her failures, up to over 9000.

    She will be at an all-time low for Coyote to strike, and short of turning her into a man, I cannot think about anything worst arriving to Kayda now that my previous speculation. I'd like to be wrong, but I'm not betting on it at all.
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  • Hardric wrote: She will be at an all-time low for Coyote to strike, and short of turning her into a man, I cannot think about anything worst arriving to Kayda now that my previous speculation. I'd like to be wrong, but I'm not betting on it at all.


    Coyote rarely acts to kill his toys, he just wants to break them better and have a good laugh along the way.

    As to worse things happening, I can think of a few. Would they make for a fun read? No.

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  • Hardric wrote: And that's why I fear she'll attempt suicide. She will blame herself for this fight between her girlfriend ('the only reason someone like her look at someone like me is because I brainwashed her') and her best friend ('I destroyed her gift and raped her, of course she'll go for someone better than le, like Tasy'). And of course, the fact she's got the self-worth of a garbage bin doesn't help, since it makes her 'forget' anything' but her failures, up to over 9000.

    She will be at an all-time low for Coyote to strike, and short of turning her into a man, I cannot think about anything worst arriving to Kayda now that my previous speculation. I'd like to be wrong, but I'm not betting on it at all.


    Oh, where to start? :unsure:
    Okay, Kayda DID sort-of attempt suicide - by leaving Whateley's grounds without her astral shields up. It was pointed out to her that it would be terribly dangerous, but she left anyway. That was after she thought she'd irrevocably harmed Lanie, and that Mrs. Carson was going to kick her out anyway.

    In the author's mind, Kayda is a dilemma - very confident in some things, very unsure of herself in others. And with that personality flaw (which IS getting better, or will be clearly improving by the end of Kayda 10), it's easy for Coyote to prey on her, to trick her. A bit of flattery at something that she's done that worked out well, a little inflaming doubts about Lanie - and voila, instant manipulation.

    And Coyote is not done, but we'll see a slightly different girl handling this from here on out. She's slowly learning her lessons; if only emotional stability came to her as easily as math does.

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  • Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

    Yeah, now that she's friends with Tansy, the administration might make her take over watching the junior high kids once Tansy graduates!

    Then Murphy will give them sugar as revenge for being friends with Tansy...Kayda will give them tea, and be accused by Child Protective Services of drugging minors!
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  • Katssun wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

    Yeah, now that she's friends with Tansy, the administration might make her take over watching the junior high kids once Tansy graduates!

    Then Murphy will give them sugar as revenge for being friends with Tansy...Kayda will give them tea, and be accused by Child Protective Services of drugging minors!


    Hey, that's not a bad idea! :evil:

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  • elrodw wrote:

    Katssun wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

    Yeah, now that she's friends with Tansy, the administration might make her take over watching the junior high kids once Tansy graduates!

    Then Murphy will give them sugar as revenge for being friends with Tansy...Kayda will give them tea, and be accused by Child Protective Services of drugging minors!


    Hey, that's not a bad idea! :evil:


    She is already giving the three little witches some tea ... against magical favor even ! Maybe Child protective services are already building a case against her as we speak !
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

    :evil:


    Well, I rememer someone proposing this on another thread, and elrod's answer boiled down to 'Too barbaric, even for me.'
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  • Hardric wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

    :evil:


    Well, I rememer someone proposing this on another thread, and elrod's answer boiled down to 'Too barbaric, even for me.'


    Oh, not to worry! That is too barbaric for Elrod.

    That's why I wrote that section…

    :evil:

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Hardric wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Besides, if they think turning her into a man is the worst thing we can do to her, they need bigger imaginations…!

    :evil:


    Well, I rememer someone proposing this on another thread, and elrod's answer boiled down to 'Too barbaric, even for me.'


    Oh, not to worry! That is too barbaric for Elrod.

    That's why I wrote that section…:evil:


    You're just going to confuse them. And me. I don't remember - is that before or after the bit where a mad devisor turns Lanie into a male who ravishes Kayda (and she loves it)?:blink:

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  • You do love teasing them, don't you?

    Have I mentioned that I love that about you?

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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  • The worst thing I can think of to do to Tansy is to lock her in a room with Teri for an extended period of time with the only food containing large amounts of caffeine or suggar.

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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  • mhalpern wrote: The worst thing I can think of to do to Tansy is to lock her in a room with Teri for an extended period of time with the only food containing large amounts of caffeine or suggar.


    no no no the worst thing to do to tansy would be to lock her in a room with teri, the tlw and peeper
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  • slapshots wrote:

    mhalpern wrote: The worst thing I can think of to do to Tansy is to lock her in a room with Teri for an extended period of time with the only food containing large amounts of caffeine or suggar.


    no no no the worst thing to do to tansy would be to lock her in a room with teri, the tlw and peeper

    with nothing but devisor coffee, and devisor candy, though assuming they are in there long enough they need the food, lets kick Peeper out, and replace him with Danica Franks.... Why torment one Elrod Character, when you can torment TWO!

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  • Pristine's going out with Greasy? ... Whoops. "Pru" is "Chemtrail". Got my codenames-realnames mixed up.

    ... Yeah, I've gotten nothing to say after reading all 67 posts...

    ... How much does Tansy know about mindspaces? She might be the most knowledgeable of the three...

    How many past lives does Loophole have? Can a past life have a past life? "I heard you like past lives, so..."
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  • Malady wrote: Pristine's going out with Greasy? ... Whoops. "Pru" is "Chemtrail". Got my codenames-realnames mixed up.


    Don't forget that Tansy has ... well ... "persuaded" Greasy (thanks to a bit of mind control) to go with Pru. Her reasons were good (in a way) but it will come back to bite her in the ... at one point.
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  • Esar wrote:

    Malady wrote: Pristine's going out with Greasy? ... Whoops. "Pru" is "Chemtrail". Got my codenames-realnames mixed up.


    Don't forget that Tansy has ... well ... "persuaded" Greasy (thanks to a bit of mind control) to go with Pru. Her reasons were good (in a way) but it will come back to bite her in the ... at one point.


    Hmm... Well, I do have some wonderings about why he seems to need persuasion to go 'further'... Unless Pru isn't being clear???

    From the Wiki for Chemtrail:

    She is the same size as Solange, but not as attractive (in Solange's mind).


    I wonder what a more objective measurement would say...
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  • Malady wrote: Hmm... Well, I do have some wonderings about why he seems to need persuasion to go 'further'... Unless Pru isn't being clear???


    Well, it's not like it has not been speculated before that Greasy could have a thing for Peeper (I kinda remember his "You wouldn't understand" answer to someone asking why he hanged out with Peeper in the first place. Don't know if it a case of "subtext" or just people looking too much into something and wanting to find what they were looking for in the first place).

    And even if it was not the case, he might just not be attracted to Pru in the first place.
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  • I read the scene as Tansy giving Greasy a self-confidence boost, nothing more than that. As for how this relates to his complicated relationship with Peeper, there might be all sorts of explanations, including but not limited to that he might be bisexual.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: I read the scene as Tansy giving Greasy a self-confidence boost, nothing more than that.


    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    Charging Buffalo Hidden Dragon part 2:
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  • NeoMagus wrote: Just curious, how many people with emotional depression do you know, jmhyp? My understanding is that it's a MESSY thing, and it seldom sports an easy road to total recovery, if such can really be said to exist. It ebbs and flows. Great progress can be made with time and patience only for someone to relapse quite quickly due to pure random chance and circumstance. That's what we're seeing here with Kayda, escalated by the fact that she has a powerful ancient spirit pushing her into it.

    I totally understand if it still isn't your cup of tea, there have been occasions when I have trouble reading Kayda as well, but don't belittle the fact that this actually a reasonable depiction of what many people go through throughout their lives. I KNOW it's tough for Elrod to write Kayda's low points, and I personally want to thank him for taking the time and effort to do so, even the parts that are hard for me to trudge through. In the end, for me they make the story better as a whole.

    You are reading words I didn't say. I made no disparaging remarks regarding the medically depressed or those with other medical mental illness.

    I said DRAMA. Life is usually not a Greek tragedy. But for people who are extremely wrapped up in themselves, it is. Parts of Kayda's life do qualify as tragedy. Having half a dozen people ask "are you okay?" while you insist you have NO friends, does not qualify. And as I already said, I can forgive that drama in this case since it is obvious that Coyote is f--king with Kayda.
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  • Esar wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: I read the scene as Tansy giving Greasy a self-confidence boost, nothing more than that.


    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    Charging Buffalo Hidden Dragon part 2:
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    That's brainwashing... And duck, I want to see it success. Greasy deserves a life Peeper-free, where he has a chance at being someone decent...
    How many times do you see people brainwashing people, and the result being... Well not 'good', that's still brainwashing, but still not bad?
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  • ^ Dresden Files has two, I think - It could have been good, the magic was just a bit too heavy-handed to be so, I think.

    ^ Also Empowered.

    There might be a lot of mind-controls where the only problem was using it incorrectly...
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  • Euh... I saw how Dresden describe the aftermath, black magic nonwisthanding. So no. Brainwashing in Dresdenverse? Never a good news. Ever.
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    This might be a derail, so maybe we should take to the Off-Topic thread?
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  • Mind control in the dresdenverse invariably and universally alters or destroys parts of the brain, with unforseen consequences down the line.
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  • "Demons always lie, except when the truth will hurt you more." - Simon R. Green

    Of course, Coyote is a trickster, which is much worse. Tricksters tell the truth to make their lies more believable, and they lie to make their truths less believable. If you're having a conversation with a trickster god you've already lost, and the best you can hope for is to mitigate the damage.


    Much as I dislike what Coyote is doing to Kayda, I have to appreciate the artistry with which he manipulates her. I mean, the Lanie/Tansy stuff is heavy handed (But hey, sometimes the low-hanging fruit is the best option), but compliments at the beginning and comments about dreamwalking were deftly done.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: "Demons always lie, except when the truth will hurt you more." - Simon R. Green

    Much as I dislike what Coyote is doing to Kayda, I have to appreciate the artistry with which he manipulates her. I mean, the Lanie/Tansy stuff is heavy handed (But hey, sometimes the low-hanging fruit is the best option), but compliments at the beginning and comments about dreamwalking were deftly done.


    Thanks. But ... (you knew there was going to be a but, didn't you?)

    to quote a song from my much younger days....

    B..B..B..B..Baby you just ain't see n..n..nothing yet! :evil:

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  • Oh god. Teri's touching the canon.

    As for Greasy, he's probably just trying so hard not to be like Peeper that he's being too platonic. It's a common issue among inexperienced nice-guys. It's basically the male version of girls not wanting to seem slutty, except instead of worrying about looking promiscuous, guys worry about looking like disrespectful sleezeballs. And, being inexperienced, they don't pick up on whatever subtle hints the girl is trying to give them as she struggles to encourage escalation without actually admitting that she has a normal human sex drive.

    I don't recall if I've mentioned this already, but I'm very happy that Hartford uses Hindmost as one of her handles. It fits on so many different levels. Leadership style, Puppeteers, science fiction, deer. It's fucking genius.

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    8 years 3 weeks ago #177 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: I don't recall if I've mentioned this already, but I'm very happy that Hartford uses Hindmost as one of her handles. It fits on so many different levels. Leadership style, Puppeteers, science fiction, deer. It's fucking genius.


    *Bows*
    Thank you, thank you very much! (/elvis voice)

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  • Just fitting in a quick thought that's been rattling around before a possible release of part 4 tonight.

    Although Coyote is being presented as adversarial in this story, I highly doubt that he is antagonistic. Even though that may seem contradictory, the two terms are not the same. To be antagonistic means you wish to see your opponent fail. To be adversarial means that you disagree with your opponent's course of action. Not all supporters wish to see you succeed. Not all opponents are looking for your downfall.

    Coyote has as much a stake in the survival of the people as Wakan Tanka does, if not more. As such, he most likely wants Kayda to succeed in her mission of uniting the peoples. From this, it follows that he will do his part to teach her, even if the methods he chooses are hardly traditional.

    One other bit of food for thought. Being a leader is a lonely position. If Kayda succeeds, she will have the entire first nations population of the Americas looking to her for guidance. While she will undoubtedly have competent advisors, she alone will be making decisions. It is better for her to learn how to function in such an environment where she just has a handful of friends looking to her for guidance, rather than under the spotlight of the multi-national stage.

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  • Coyote (and Raven) are both antagonistic, but ultimately beneficial characters.

    It is common among other cultures as well. Anansi and Br'er Rabbit perhaps being the most well known.
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  • Also, Coyote gets a brief mention in Please Turn Out the Lights, in a positive light. He wants the same things the other native spirits want. He's just less careful of the people in his way. (Which considering some of the things the other spirits have pulled says volumes.)

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Also, Coyote gets a brief mention in Please Turn Out the Lights, in a positive light. He wants the same things the other native spirits want. He's just less careful of the people in his way. (Which considering some of the things the other spirits have pulled says volumes.)


    That's exactly why I'm worried about him. Kodiak seem to see him as not caring at all about collateral damage and the like, be it to its target or bystanders. And that's coming from 'Baloo'. Not that I trust him, mind you, but I trust his self-interest, namely Kodiak and, for the moment, Loophole, and he's worried about them, ergo Coyote is really dangerous.
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  • Just finished re-reading the first three before diving into the latest.

    Interesting. Seeing the games that Coyote is playing with Lanie & Laneth, It becomes interesting to see what sort of lessons Coyote has for Kayda.

    Also, nice to see that Laneth thinks before starting a fight. Makes an opponent a more interesting learning experience.

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    There are other idea's bubbling in the back of my head. Gotta give them time to mature.

    Elrodw: Good work. Looking forward to the next part.


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  • "Silence!" the Moose roared, raising the two glass spheres which began to crackle with power. "Non-believers! Now you shall taste the power of Agamemnon's Balls!"
    ...
    Evvie groaned again. "Dude, do you have ANY idea how bad that sounds?" She was trying to buy me a bit more time.
    "Quit playing with your balls! There's children present!" The Cajun girl shielded Vasiliy's innocent eyes.


    OMG! Lol!

    In her memory, the memories that she shared with her current host, she marveled at the very concept of a motion picture. The tale of a bard, no matter how fantastic, could somehow be made and then shown. It was lazy in a way, because it did not require the audience to use their imagination, everything was put forward in front of them, but that made it seem like even more powerful magic! To watch a knight battle a Dragon in perfect safety but to be thrilled and terrified just the same made for an interesting juxtaposition. It inspired the imagination precisely because it didn't use it.


    [Awwww! So cute!]

    Carson sighed, shook her head, and forced a smile at her long-time friend and one of her confidants. "You don't have a hat, Bella ..."

    Horton sniffed in disdain. "I'll borrow that witch hat from Eliza Grimes." Still her anger cooled and she returned Carson's smile. "What can I say? I'm a traditionalist ..."


    [Oh. I guess she bought another one. Not like they're expensive. Or she has spares. Like Apple Bloom has spare bows...]

    Most interesting spoilery thing, with Mrs. Carson [ Click to expand ]



    The Foreigner... [ Click to expand ]



    So, Mischief's with the TLW? ... They need a new name now... Four Little ... Somethings? No... Tatterdamalion Tetra-something? ... No... Something Foursome... Meh... Gonna go comment on The Road To Whateley...

    ...

    Lanie and Laneth are similar in pronouciation! :wall:

    ... Tansy and... I wanna say Tam Lin, but that is more of a stretch, no?
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    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


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  • So this is basically Coyote wanting a seat at the table now that Jaime isgone.

    That he gets by the looks of it.
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  • I found the following passage confusing:
    "Bella Horton shot to her feet. "Don't lie to me, Elizabeth Carson!" she shouted." You knew damned well how terrified Maggie Finson was of Elaine's spirit. "
    Should that be Nikki Reilly, or is Maggie Finson actually a character at Whately?
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  • amratner wrote: I found the following passage confusing:
    "Bella Horton shot to her feet. "Don't lie to me, Elizabeth Carson!" she shouted." You knew damned well how terrified Maggie Finson was of Elaine's spirit. "
    Should that be Nikki Reilly, or is Maggie Finson actually a character at Whately?


    Yes, at least, according to the Wiki Page for Lifeline : "Lifeline (Margaret "Maggie" Vincent/Finson)"
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  • amratner wrote: I found the following passage confusing:
    "Bella Horton shot to her feet. "Don't lie to me, Elizabeth Carson!" she shouted." You knew damned well how terrified Maggie Finson was of Elaine's spirit. "
    Should that be Nikki Reilly, or is Maggie Finson actually a character at Whately?


    Maggie Finson is Lifeline's actual name. And I'll side with Horton on this one. She had to know a teenager feeling an equal mix of terror and anger towards her friend and with access to magic was bound to do something rash and stupid with it if she was cornered. I mean, she can't be the first student with magic powers at Whateley doing something like this in a similar situation, although hopefully not something as drastic.

    And Yocote, Suuuper Dead is continuing his shenanigans. Let's see how it will blow up.
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  • Hardric wrote: And Yocote, Suuuper Dead is continuing his shenanigans. Let's see how it will blow up.

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    If I told you, you'd hate me for 2 reasons:
    1 - for giving away the story early, and
    2 - for what it means to the story line

    Suffice to say that there are some really "holy shit" moments coming up in 5 and 6.
    Our "friend" is far from done ....

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  • elrodw wrote:

    Hardric wrote: And Yocote, Suuuper Dead is continuing his shenanigans. Let's see how it will blow up.

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    If I told you, you'd hate me for 2 reasons:
    1 - for giving away the story early, and
    2 - for what it means to the story line

    Suffice to say that there are some really "holy shit" moments coming up in 5 and 6.
    Our "friend" is far from done ....


    Guess we'll have to settle for furious speculating and trusting you for putting on a big show. A safe bet if there was any.
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  • So...Coyote wants what is best for the people, same as Tonka Trucka and Wakan Tanka and all the others...he's just a super jerk about it.

    Kayda is supposed to be a mediator as Ptesanwi, making sure that they can become a united force, not a leader commanding them and quelling their conflicts through domination and violence.

    I'm guessing, now that Kayda's personal issues have gotten better, and playing off her showing in 2011 where she stopped the conflict and only used force to prove a point, I would guess that Coyote is going to force a massive conflict between Kayda's friends (but not Kayda herself) and force her to choose how she resolves it. Probably in an unpleasant way for her.

    There's talk of "a deal," in Would the Last One Out Please Turn Out the Lights, so he must offer her a particularly bad alternative, like giving up her connection to Wakan Tanka, who was supposed to go to Brandon's future daughter.



    I can only imagine the scenes where Wondercute tries to convince Danny to wear the uniform. Who is strong enough to write that scene and remain sane?

    I laughed at Mrs. Horton getting in trouble, and Laneth referring to Coyote as a mangy dog. We have coyote-wolf-dog hybrids here in the Northeast US, so that remark is even more amusing.

    Is this the start of "remedial girl lessons" for Changelings seen more formally suggested in Gen 2?
    8 years 1 week ago #192 by elrodw
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  • Katssun wrote: bunch of speculative statements, blah, blah, blah ....

    To answer the speculation stuff ...

    Yes

    Perhaps - might be some travel in her future.

    That could be. Then again, maybe not.

    Definitely, absolutely, positively maybe.

    Is that a challenge?

    Yes, it is.

    Perhaps. More than likely. Maybe.

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    8 years 1 week ago #193 by Yolandria
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  • That sounds about right. =)

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    8 years 1 week ago #194 by mhalpern
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  • elrodw wrote: Is that a challenge?


    I think it was one, I think you should accept it! :twisted:

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  • Finally got through the painful drama [Kadya 10: Part 2] then again it depends on how many relapse Kadya will likely have.

    -NO Author blame-age! other than TOO good of a writer to pull that off-

    Secrets of Chou, I think there are a couple of other MCO-juniors on the way for Chou to talk to, unless they slipped into non-canon.

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    8 years 6 days ago #196 by elrodw
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  • Dpragan wrote: Finally got through the painful drama [Kadya 10: Part 2] then again it depends on how many relapse Kadya will likely have.

    -NO Author blame-age! other than TOO good of a writer to pull that off-

    Secrets of Chou, I think there are a couple of other MCO-juniors on the way for Chou to talk to, unless they slipped into non-canon.


    Okay, puzzlement. Not quite sure I follow. How many relapses will Kayda have? After the first part of part 4, none planned. I've got material planned for at least 4-5 stories (multi-part, probably) with no more personal anguish and self-doubt. Challenges? yes. internal angst? nope. nothing planned for as far as the eye can see. (Now that doesn't mean that one of my other characters won't get a bit of angst...)

    Not sure what you mean by the second bit. Author blame-age??

    Yes, we'll have at least Absinthe as junior-deputy-MCO, who Morpheus is making canon, so there will be at least those two.

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  • Well, so far Coyote seems like a better person than his Gunnerkrigg counterpart . As long as that's true, I'm happy. Fortunately (or unfortunately, if you're a GC character), that's a pretty low bar to clear.

    Loved the Mighty Moose!


    Regarding Danny... I'm not sure I approve of everyone trying to rush him into Wondercute. He'll be protected from bullies, yes, but that sort of protection isn't going to help his self-esteem any. Not that I'd expect his overprotective older sister to suggest anything else, but still. The more he's forced (bullied?) into joining Wondercute, the more miserable being part of it will make him.

    Actually, I've said before that I think that Hank will be an excellent mentor for Danny, but if I had to choose another, I think I'd pick Thorn. Like Danny, he has an appearance that attracts the attention of bullies, but instead of hiding from it he has embraced it and shaped it until no bullies bother him (and even when they try, they don't succeed).

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Loved the Mighty Moose!

    Regarding Danny... I'm not sure I approve of everyone trying to rush him into Wondercute. He'll be protected from bullies, yes, but that sort of protection isn't going to help his self-esteem any. Not that I'd expect his overprotective older sister to suggest anything else, but still. The more he's forced (bullied?) into joining Wondercute, the more miserable being part of it will make him.

    But as Chou and Kayda point out, being in Wondercute gives him a chance to get friendly with Misty and Lindsay. Which in turn puts Danny into Jadis' sphere of influence. Generally, that's not usually a bad thing for people who get picked on, because one, Jadis, and two, it also includes inevitable proximity to Kate.

    The less Danny is exposed to Agamemnon's balls, the better. Yes, they're roommates already. That's not the point.
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  • elrodw wrote:
    Yes, we'll have at least Absinthe as junior-deputy-MCO, who Morpheus is making canon, so there will be at least those two.


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  • Oh yeah, I noticed that Coyote is a Disney fan.

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