×

Notice

The forum is in read only mode.
× Float your latest theory on who is going to be this school year's big bad, piece together plot points to unravel one of the big mysteries, or guess what's coming up next in your favorite stories.

Anything is fair game... just don't complain when someone with more Whateley-verse savvy shoots your theory out of the sky.

Posting rules: Any registered member can create threads or post to existing ones.

Question The Final Trump

8 years 3 weeks ago #1 by DanZilla
  • DanZilla
  • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Meet the scions of the Harrow family in "The Final Trump" and talk about the story below...
    8 years 3 weeks ago #2 by Esar
    • Esar
    • Esar's Avatar


  • Posts: 328

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I don't think it has been released yet ?
    8 years 3 weeks ago #3 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Esar wrote: I don't think it has been released yet ?


    Soon, Grasshopper, it will be time for the caterpillar of written words to fly free...
    8 years 3 weeks ago #4 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I have to get this in here because reasons even though I have yet to finish

    Bart was named after the Dread Pirate Bartholomew Roberts




    INCONCEIVABLE


    Ok that's out of my system I shale continue reading

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #5 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • This is partial stream of consciousness not as detailed as some others, but detailed enough for me.
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #6 by Cryptic
    • Cryptic
    • Cryptic's Avatar


  • Posts: 1746

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 04 Jun 1983
  • Harrow, Harrow.... nope not ringing any bells. Which Lovecraft or what ever book are they in?

    I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #7 by Dreamer
    • Dreamer
    • Dreamer's Avatar


  • Posts: 984

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 03 Dec 1976
  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


    The Final Trump Part 1 comments
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #8 by annachie
    • annachie
    • annachie's Avatar


  • Posts: 597

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I kept thinking the Necromancer, but h's Darrow or something.


    I'm betting JD is making a power play and trying to take over.

    :)
    8 years 3 weeks ago #9 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Two things, Dreamer:
    One, Vivian is a little over a year older than JJ. She got her PDP powers when she was 14; not that she just got them.

    Two, Sir Isaac Newton was an Alchemist in real life. He considered his work with Mathematics and Physics as secondary to his works with Alchemy, Chronology and Biblical Interpretation. From Wikipedia's entry on Newton's Occult Studies: After purchasing and studying Newton's alchemical works, economist John Maynard Keynes, for example, opined at the tercentenary of his birth in 1942 that "Newton was not the first of the age of reason, he was the last of the magicians."
    8 years 3 weeks ago #10 by Dreamer
    • Dreamer
    • Dreamer's Avatar


  • Posts: 984

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 03 Dec 1976
  • Bek D Corbin wrote: Two things, Dreamer:
    One, Vivian is a little over a year older than JJ. She got her PDP powers when she was 14; not that she just got them.

    Ah, got that mixed up then, sounded like she just a year older than him and only got her powers in the past few months. Thanks for the correction.

    Two, Sir Isaac Newton was an Alchemist in real life. He considered his work with Mathematics and Physics as secondary to his works with Alchemy, Chronology and Biblical Interpretation. From Wikipedia's entry on Newton's Occult Studies: After purchasing and studying Newton's alchemical works, economist John Maynard Keynes, for example, opined at the tercentenary of his birth in 1942 that "Newton was not the first of the age of reason, he was the last of the magicians."

    Interesting, I never knew that about Sir Isaac Newton. Thank you.

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #11 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • annachie wrote: I'm betting JD is making a power play and trying to take over.

    :)


    I'm betting against his survival, because he's been played.

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    8 years 3 weeks ago - 8 years 3 weeks ago #12 by Esar
    • Esar
    • Esar's Avatar


  • Posts: 328

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • It will be hard to wait for the next part. I really like the family dynamic and I am intrigued by JJ.

    The father went to Whateley but they have not sent their mutant children there ? Well, they don't seem to want anyone to figure out that they have children and even if they could be protected during their highschool years, the information would be discovered and then leaked after those years so ... Might be why.

    No date has been mentionned, I am suspicious.
    Last Edit: 8 years 3 weeks ago by Esar.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #13 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Esar wrote: It will be hard to wait for the next part. I really like the family dynamic and I am intrigued by JJ.

    No date has been mentionned, I am suspicious.

    Morpheus has made us paranoid! I wonder though if the dates really matter for this one though. So far, JJ is a baseline wizard, if he doesn't manifest, he doesn't. Might be harder to get essence, but who knows. I think we've been presented a nice setup, with appropriate foreshadowing, for where JJ gets in the way of the Great Quest towards its culmination, and claims the reward for himself.

    I hope against hope that the cliffhanger isn't what it appears, I really liked the family dynamic as well. Mara and Nick are great parents to their legion of hellions.

    JJ reminds me heavily of Kallie from Bek's Erinyes. Heavily. He's just a lot less honest about what he wants. JD definitely saw through it, and helps kindle it by making it one of the demands for the two meeting up, under the pretense of secrecy so JJ can keep pretending it isn't as enjoyable as it clearly is.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #14 by jmhyp
    • jmhyp
    • jmhyp's Avatar


  • Posts: 359

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I'm speculating not that JD is being played, but that he is being controlled. I think the Akelarre managed to get a spell on to him that makes him think he's an independent player but he's actually not. And thus the meeting with JJ means JJ is the mole and he doesn't know it. JJ is going to ultimately be hurt the most in the end.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #15 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • I like the story, it's well written, interesting and everything, but it just doesn't feel like a Whateley Universe story to me. It seems a better fit to C.T. Phipps Supervillainy Saga world.

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    8 years 3 weeks ago - 8 years 3 weeks ago #16 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • IIRC, we don't know when this is, right? 'Cause with the Witch Queen, and the Family, I'm going "How many Magical Crime Families are active all at once, in the WU??"

    ... But, the families are all isolated by city... So there could be a lot...

    Nevermind... We know that the GKI has released their answer to the "iPhone™, the GoodCall". ... So, if the iPhone was released according to RL timeline, which Google says: "June 29, 2007" ... So, Final Trump is happening later than that?
    Last Edit: 8 years 3 weeks ago by Malady.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #17 by Kaitha39
    • Kaitha39
    • Kaitha39's Avatar


  • Posts: 172

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 19 Jan 1988
  • jmhyp wrote: I'm speculating not that JD is being played, but that he is being controlled. I think the Akelarre managed to get a spell on to him that makes him think he's an independent player but he's actually not. And thus the meeting with JJ means JJ is the mole and he doesn't know it. JJ is going to ultimately be hurt the most in the end.

    +Seconded on the JD thing but I don't think it's JJ as the mole. I think it's less of a "mole in the family" and more of a "They got the details from you under magical torture, then made you magically forget it so you could help them" onto JD.
    Roping JJ into it is part of the plan, in terms of 'Trojan Horse information.'

    Of course, it could also be that JD is going to try and play both parties, and try placating his parents by killing off Akelarre by getting the power boost of the grand quest to go to him. Victory earns forgiveness, after all.

    Any stories or Characters I put out are available to write around. Feel free to borrow them!
    8 years 3 weeks ago #18 by Otherself
    • Otherself
    • Otherself's Avatar


  • Posts: 99

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • If I had to guess.... oh, who am I kidding?

    My guess is that Asha is the Mole, or to be more specific, that doll she loves so much is enchanted/possessed so that everything she knows Akelarre knows, and the poison pill is that if the killswitch is activated Asha dies.

    Also I kind feel sorry for Mara, her father couldn't remeber which of his ex-mistresses who tried to kill him, steal his power and sacrifice his daughter to a demon Akelarre was?..... Just how many times did they try to sacrifice her?


    Also, Yerunkle Pavilion...... Babs Babs Babs Babs
    8 years 3 weeks ago #19 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Otherself wrote: Also, Yerunkle Pavilion...... Babs Babs Babs Babs


    Nice to see that someone else remembers Babs. Now, if only Babs remembered us...
    8 years 3 weeks ago #20 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • Myself, I'm leaning towards Gen2. Main reason is a peculiar piece of jargon that I seem to remember seeing in Gen2 stories but not in Gen1... that is setting up something called an "ultra" on the smartphone.

    But perhaps not fully Gen2, maybe halfway there -- if it were fully Gen2, I would expect a custom high-end phone with all the bells and whistles such as Jack gave JJ would include a Tavi-like VI.

    As for location... they seem to be in a metro area, suburban part, which includes a city/town/neighborhood/whatever named "Springfield." That cuts the possible real-world choices down to what, a hundred?

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #21 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Sir Lee wrote: Myself, I'm leaning towards Gen2. Main reason is a peculiar piece of jargon that I seem to remember seeing in Gen2 stories but not in Gen1... that is setting up something called an "ultra" on the smartphone.

    But perhaps not fully Gen2, maybe halfway there -- if it were fully Gen2, I would expect a custom high-end phone with all the bells and whistles such as Jack gave JJ would include a Tavi-like VI.


    Well, if it were in Gen2, I'd expect it to go in "Newest 2nd Gen Stories", but hey, maybe it is Gen2, but placed in Original Timeline 'cause of TeasingCreator-ness, if it's not hard to move the story over to the Gen2 side...

    'Cause if its a joke, I don't think Kristin would want to make it hard to put in its proper place...

    Or it might be on the edge of the Gen1 - Gen2 boundary, which, is some point between 2010 and 2016... If that's true, I'd expect some part of it, perhaps the last part, to be in Gen2, for the :lol:
    8 years 3 weeks ago #22 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • Regarding location:

    The descriptions of the "old money" vs. "new money" neighborhoods, along with some of the snark aimed at the "Gnostisophists" (nothing to do with Madame Blavatsky, nope!) reminded me a bit of Philadelphia. Maybe along the Main Line? It shouldn't be difficult at all to get to Springfield, PA.

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    8 years 3 weeks ago #23 by Kettlekorn
    • Kettlekorn
    • Kettlekorn's Avatar


  • Posts: 1383

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Katssun wrote: I hope against hope that the cliffhanger isn't what it appears, I really liked the family dynamic as well. Mara and Nick are great parents to their legion of hellions.

    Nah, they're gonna pull off the mask to find out it's another goat.

    I am the kernel that pops in the night. I am the pain that keeps your dentist employed.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #24 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Kettlekorn wrote:

    Katssun wrote: I hope against hope that the cliffhanger isn't what it appears, I really liked the family dynamic as well. Mara and Nick are great parents to their legion of hellions.

    Nah, they're gonna pull off the mask to find out it's another goat.


    It's goats all the way down?

    Glad to see people are enjoying this... having read it all myself and knowing Bek's penchant for twisty stories... I can safely say that y'all are in for an... interesting... but enjoyable ride.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #25 by jmhyp
    • jmhyp
    • jmhyp's Avatar


  • Posts: 359

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Kaitha39 wrote: +Seconded on the JD thing but I don't think it's JJ as the mole. I think it's less of a "mole in the family" and more of a "They got the details from you under magical torture, then made you magically forget it so you could help them" onto JD.

    I didn't mean JJ was literally "the mole". I was saying he'll be blamed for being the mole.
    8 years 3 weeks ago - 8 years 3 weeks ago #26 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • What they should remind you of is Madcap (who raided one of their museums, and claimed that her father was a Gnostisophist).

    Madcap grinned again... "Y'know, Four-Eyes, you're right; I don't know what would happen. But then, I know something that you don't know. Namely, Smartass, that this scepter isn't my only weapon. Y'see, the University of Ohio wasn't my first heist. No, my first heist was the Gnostisophy Center on Waldorff!"

    "Well, that explains why no one heard of it," Spence admitted. "We live in a world with anti-gravity engines, people who can read minds, super-sorcerers, vampires and power rings, but everybody STILL knows that the Gnostisophists are looney-toons!"

    "HEY, my DADDY is a Gnostisophist!"

    "Which explains so much."


    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 8 years 3 weeks ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    8 years 3 weeks ago #27 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • As for Springfield, well, I might just know something about that... Fnord.

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    8 years 3 weeks ago #28 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • Schol-R-LEA wrote: As for Springfield, well, I might just know something about that... Fnord.


    However, JJ needs to be able to get to a nearby Springfield for story purposes.

    I found out in 1987 that one only has to be close to Springfield for synchronicity to trigger strange effects. Logically, a magically-inclined family would want to locate their operations outside the immediate vicinity.

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    8 years 3 weeks ago #29 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • JD, JJ, AJ... Bek sure likes supervillain kids with J's in their names. :D


    I like where this is going so far, although I'm hoping that mama isn't as dead as she appears. Also, the bit with the goats was hilarious. I look forward to seeing what was up with that.


    JJ reminds me of Jordan Winters a bit.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    8 years 2 weeks ago #30 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • The timing might be somewhat close to Dragon Queen, 'cause the Great Quest idea is "making the rounds", so it's a new idea?

    whateleyacademy.net/index.php/2nd-gen-ca...-of-the-dragon-queen

    “What it means is that I’m stuck to this bracelet,” I held it up, “which Mom said would something something, the Rules of the Quest, something Apex Nexus. What are the Rules of the Quest?”

    “A magical theory that’s making the rounds. I’ll explain it when- IF- you ever initiate into the Mysteries.

    8 years 1 week ago #31 by Mister D
    • Mister D
    • Mister D's Avatar


  • Posts: 832

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • My guesses,
    • JJ as the unwitting mole;
    • JD playing it straight with JJ, though looking to trigger the Grand Quest so JD benefits;
    • Arkelle making JJ as who he is, and looking at the cross-dressing as the leverage that JD has on JJ;
    • We haven't seen enough of Dr. 30 to know what he's really up to, or how he's planning to double-cross Arkelle, and JD;
    and i'll put a packet of macaroons on JJ ending up being the unwitting, eventual sacrifice in Arkelle's end-game ritual, that ends with him being the recipient of the powers that Arkelle was trying to invoke.


    Measure Twice
    8 years 1 week ago #32 by Dreamer
    • Dreamer
    • Dreamer's Avatar


  • Posts: 984

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 03 Dec 1976
  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


    The Final Trump Part 2 comments
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    8 years 1 week ago - 8 years 1 week ago #33 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • I know that "Hawkins" is a fairly common name, but... well, it's Bek, and a character who is associated with a Science Hero, so... maybe not just a coincidence. Knowing Bek, both Sky Hawkins and Dennis are part of a legacy going back to the Elizabethan admiral.

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 8 years 1 week ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    8 years 1 week ago #34 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • OK, it's been a while since I read one of the stories, but after reading this

    JJ pointed at a refrigerator-like construct with a large open roughly rectangular armored chamber with odd disks set flush against the top and bottoms of the chamber. It had a sliding door and a set of rather cryptic lights and buttons.


    how many other people thought, MAU?

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    8 years 1 week ago #35 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • This chapter is starting to make me not trust JD. Sure, sure, he's family, but we only have his word that he gave the Stinger to Dr. 30. And his word is getting harder and harder to take at face value.

    JJ is not finding much evidence of a mole, because every hint JD helps him with results in the completion of the next stage in the Great Quest. And now, JJ is officially the double-agent (or is it triple by now?) within the family.

    Furthermore, each success the group has has largely been due to JD. He would know how to intercept the drones without much effort, where Dr. 30 doesn't use that style. JD can be the one phantom floating around to see how the plan changed to use the submarine, and swipe it from there. They're beating the family with their own tactics.

    Did Akelarre really demand to see JD's mole, or was that fabricated by JD. "We're expected," is too vague because they're already allies.

    Yes, this could all be part of JD's plan to take the Great Quest power for himself...but he wanted to strike out on his own, who's to say he isn't also betraying his family in the process to get it? The family's "reward" is finally being rid of two of their long-term enemies, while JD gets the big prize for himself!
    8 years 1 week ago #36 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • There's definitely at least one con going on here. The question is how many are there, and who's running them? I agree that JD is probably running one, but JJ and the Harrows may be in on one as well.

    On of the hallmarks of a good heist story is that nobody, not even the protagonists, ever fully reveal their hands to the reader until the end. So the question becomes: who's the one holding the final trump?

    (see what I did there? :D )

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    8 years 1 week ago #37 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • My question: who's WILLIE? From context, (and the fact that the only two mentions to "Willie" are in all-caps) I'm guessing it was a beta-stage name for Vic, that got missed by the search-and-replace because... all-caps.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    8 years 1 week ago #38 by OtherEric
    • OtherEric
    • OtherEric's Avatar


  • Posts: 463

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Sir Lee wrote: My question: who's WILLIE? From context, (and the fact that the only two mentions to "Willie" are in all-caps) I'm guessing it was a beta-stage name for Vic, that got missed by the search-and-replace because... all-caps.


    I'm not sure on why they got missed, but otherwise that's an accurate guess.
    8 years 1 week ago #39 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Sir Lee wrote: My question: who's WILLIE? From context, (and the fact that the only two mentions to "Willie" are in all-caps) I'm guessing it was a beta-stage name for Vic, that got missed by the search-and-replace because... all-caps.

    Right on the money. Yet another thing that you read and re-read a thousand times, and only spot after it's been posted.

    I was originally going to call Vic Willie, after Willie Sutton. But my last-minute research on him proved that Sutton wasn't the mastermind that he'd been painted back in the 1960s, so I changed it to Victor Lustig, the 'King of the Con Artists', renowned as the Man Who Sold the Eiffel Tower- Twice.
    8 years 1 week ago #40 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Bek D Corbin wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: My question: who's WILLIE? From context, (and the fact that the only two mentions to "Willie" are in all-caps) I'm guessing it was a beta-stage name for Vic, that got missed by the search-and-replace because... all-caps.

    Right on the money. Yet another thing that you read and re-read a thousand times, and only spot after it's been posted.

    I was originally going to call Vic Willie, after Willie Sutton. But my last-minute research on him proved that Sutton wasn't the mastermind that he'd been painted back in the 1960s, so I changed it to Victor Lustig, the 'King of the Con Artists', renowned as the Man Who Sold the Eiffel Tower- Twice.


    Doh! yep... slipped in a stealth-fix on that.
    7 years 11 months ago #41 by Dreamer
    • Dreamer
    • Dreamer's Avatar


  • Posts: 984

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 03 Dec 1976
  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


    The Final Trump part 3 comments
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #42 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • The Final Trump part 3 comments
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Malady.
    7 years 11 months ago #43 by Dpragan
    • Dpragan
    • Dpragan's Avatar


  • Posts: 209

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Kind of hard to tell how this will jump since the MC is from a Villain family, could be a turn to the darkside but it's likely he's attempting to steer the 30 Xanatos pile-up. The Wicked Gypsy is likely going to allow the transformation the proceed and try to hijack the body leaving poor JJ in a body about to die.

    To top all of this off he might end up the white sheep of the family before this is through due to some karmic law.

    ...But that's just my guess,

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

    =^+^=
    7 years 11 months ago #44 by annachie
    • annachie
    • annachie's Avatar


  • Posts: 597

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • JJ should have been more curious about the goat, and I suspect Akelare (sp?) may have forsworn herself.
    7 years 11 months ago #45 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Dreamer wrote: Diogenes' Three-fold Quest to let JJ know if Akelarre is lying to him, good thing he isn't trusting her. Sorcerer's Contract for the deal, noooo! Sacrifice of the Goat is going to be Zack, I just know it now. He wasn't in on it at all and is going to die at this rate, at least if what i suspect is true. Sorcerer's Contract sealed in blood, plus ring snatched from him right as he left the ring, what have you done, JJ.


    I have to disagree with you there. Akelarre almost certainly plans to use JJ as the Sacrifice of the Goat, (although that is not to say that Zack might not make a suitable substitute in a pinch).

    So, either JJ's desire to be a real girl is strong enough to squelch every last living brain cell in their possession, or else JJ has prepared quite a trick. Akelarre's side of the Contract evaporates on JJ's death. But JJ is the one who worded Akelarre's side of the contract, and I'd bet doughnuts and dachshunds that he chose that wording intentionally. By leaving a loophole you could drive a truck through, he kept her from trying to find other ways of wiggling through the Contract. Does anybody here remember reading Artemis Fowl? He pulled the same stunt. By letting the opposing side believe they've outsmarted you, you get to choose their end goal without them ever realizing that you're controlling the flow of the story.

    All JJ needs is a way dodging his sacrificial obligation. Some kind of final trump card, perhaps?

    Now, as to what that trump could be, I have no clue. I'll bet that it's related to that tearburst after her last contact with JD, though. That could be just the strain of being a go-between, or finding out that Zach was in danger. But I'm guessing that there's more to it than that.


    Incidentally, are Spanish and French really similar enough that an understanding of one allows a partial translation of the other?

    Akelarre let out a snort and muttered something in Spanish. JJ’s French was good enough that he caught a wryly amused crack about the French and their addiction to High Melodrama.


    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago #46 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Dreamer wrote: Diogenes' Three-fold Quest to let JJ know if Akelarre is lying to him, good thing he isn't trusting her. Sorcerer's Contract for the deal, noooo! Sacrifice of the Goat is going to be Zack, I just know it now. He wasn't in on it at all and is going to die at this rate, at least if what i suspect is true. Sorcerer's Contract sealed in blood, plus ring snatched from him right as he left the ring, what have you done, JJ.


    I have to disagree with you there. Akelarre almost certainly plans to use JJ as the Sacrifice of the Goat, (although that is not to say that Zack might not make a suitable substitute in a pinch).

    So, either JJ's desire to be a real girl is strong enough to squelch every last living brain cell in their possession, or else JJ has prepared quite a trick. Akelarre's side of the Contract evaporates on JJ's death. But JJ is the one who worded Akelarre's side of the contract, and I'd bet doughnuts and dachshunds that he chose that wording intentionally. By leaving a loophole you could drive a truck through, he kept her from trying to find other ways of wiggling through the Contract. Does anybody here remember reading Artemis Fowl? He pulled the same stunt. By letting the opposing side believe they've outsmarted you, you get to choose their end goal without them ever realizing that you're controlling the flow of the story.

    All JJ needs is a way dodging his sacrificial obligation. Some kind of final trump card, perhaps?

    Now, as to what that trump could be, I have no clue. I'll bet that it's related to that tearburst after her last contact with JD, though. That could be just the strain of being a go-between, or finding out that Zach was in danger. But I'm guessing that there's more to it than that.


    Incidentally, are Spanish and French really similar enough that an understanding of one allows a partial translation of the other?

    Akelarre let out a snort and muttered something in Spanish. JJ’s French was good enough that he caught a wryly amused crack about the French and their addiction to High Melodrama.


    There is an obvious way to dodge the sacrifice part, bring in a literal goat, At no point was it specified the sacrifice had to be human, at least in the contract.

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    7 years 11 months ago #47 by peter
    • peter
    • peter's Avatar


  • Posts: 293

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • annachie wrote: JJ should have been more curious about the goat, and I suspect Akelare (sp?) may have forsworn herself.


    For me I'd have been more worried about how often she mentioned "For as long as JJ lives"

    Unless I missed it there was zero reference to her doing nothing to shorten his life.
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #48 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Incidentally, are Spanish and French really similar enough that an understanding of one allows a partial translation of the other?


    They're both Latinate languages... With written text of French, even an English speaker might be able to figure out some of what is said... Although, English is technically Germanic?

    whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...itage?start=50#29039

    From Phoenix Spiritus [ Click to expand ]
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Malady.
    7 years 11 months ago #49 by jennysass
    • jennysass
    • jennysass's Avatar


  • Posts: 21

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Malady wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Incidentally, are Spanish and French really similar enough that an understanding of one allows a partial translation of the other?


    They're both Latinate languages... With written text of French, even an English speaker might be able to figure out some of what is said... Although, English is technically Germanic?

    whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...itage?start=50#29039

    From Phoenix Spiritus [ Click to expand ]


    4 years of Spanish let me get the jist of what was being said to me in France. I imagine fluency would only make it easier.
    7 years 11 months ago #50 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • Malady wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Incidentally, are Spanish and French really similar enough that an understanding of one allows a partial translation of the other?


    They're both Latinate languages... With written text of French, even an English speaker might be able to figure out some of what is said... Although, English is technically Germanic?

    whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...itage?start=50#29039

    From Phoenix Spiritus [ Click to expand ]


    Well Phoenix did leave off that the English Language has the habit of wandering around mugging other Languages and stealing odd bits from them.

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 11 months ago #51 by Phoenix Spiritus
    • Phoenix Spiritus
    • Phoenix Spiritus's Avatar


  • Posts: 2595

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 20 Jan 1976
  • Spanish, French and Italian are basically Latin 'gone native'. They are pretty clean languages all with a common root Language, not a mongrel language like English.

    It's supposedly relatively easy to understand all of them once you learn one of them.
    7 years 11 months ago #52 by elrodw
    • elrodw
    • elrodw's Avatar


  • Posts: 3263

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Spanish, French and Italian are basically Latin 'gone native'. They are pretty clean languages all with a common root Language, not a mongrel language like English.

    It's supposedly relatively easy to understand all of them once you learn one of them.


    Son studied Latin in high school, then Spanish. Now he's studying French. His comment confirms your suspicion - he explicitly thanked me and his mom for making him take Latin, because it made Spanish and French much easier.

    Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #53 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • I suspect that both Akelarre and JJ have worded themselves into corners, each of them thinking they outsmarted the other. JJ must have seen the snapper in the "as long as you live" and "allow the Sacrifice" parts, but I am guessing they both missed something - though I have no idea what.

    It doesn't matter, because the magic side is all misdirection - the real threat is 30, who certainly is not planning on taking the potion himself, nor is he intending to let either Akelarre or the person he actual has known was his enemy's nephew from the start (JD, your not as smart as you think you are) live to even see the potion completed - the potion itself is a red herring he duped Akelarre with. I am guessing that they have been his real targets from the start - though I am no longer sure if this actually is the real XXX anyway. Whoever he is, his plan actually counts on their betrayal, I am quite sure of it.

    Oh. OK, I think I know who is really behind this. Oh, crap, if I am right this is a lot uglier than I thought... not saying anything more, though, except that I may be wrong about magic in general not being the keystone of all of it.

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    7 years 11 months ago #54 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • I will plant one Epileptic Tree, though: that JJ survives all of this, but none of his family does, so she is adopted by an eccentric billionaire living in Queens.

    And attends Whateley starting in 2008. Codename: Pixie.

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    7 years 11 months ago #55 by Phoenix Spiritus
    • Phoenix Spiritus
    • Phoenix Spiritus's Avatar


  • Posts: 2595

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 20 Jan 1976
  • Schol-R-LEA wrote: I will plant one Epileptic Tree, though: that JJ survives all of this, but none of his family does, so she is adopted by an eccentric billionaire living in Queens.

    And attends Whateley starting in 2008. Codename: Pixie.


    That sounds like an interesting story!

    It's definitely not the one Bek wrote, but I am intrigued by what story you thought up.
    7 years 11 months ago #56 by mittfh
    • mittfh
    • mittfh's Avatar


  • Posts: 380

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 18 May 1977
  • A couple of points no-one's yet expounded on:

    a) Assuming the paragon potion can be created, it's described as imbuning exemplar-type effects on a non-mutant. Given we know the Harrow family have preterhuman traits that are inheritable, it's reasonable to assume they're mutants - so what happens when a formula stated to work on non-mutants encounters a not-yet-manifested mutant?

    b) Although it's logical to think of the "goat" sacrifice literally, there are alternate meanings of sacrifice - given it's implied JJ's heart's desire is to become his female alter-ego, one interpretation (which, admittedly, is likely to be improbable) could be sacrificing his male identity. Or, given how devious Akelerre is, swap one 'lost' family member with another - JD is returned to the family fold, but in addition to becoming female, JJ loses all connections with the rest of his family - either as part of the formula, or, if they discover he collaborated with Akelarre, disenfranchise him (well, her).

    As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
    7 years 11 months ago #57 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • It may also be worth noting that while the beginning of their conversation makes it clear that JJ is referring to getting JD back, Akelarre never makes specific mention of which brother she will be returning to him for his aid.

    I assume that JJ knows enough about Sorcerer's Contracts from his mother, but we don't get that confirmation, because they don't go over the contract itself, just what will be in it.

    Potentially another out for her if JJ forgot to make her be specific.
    7 years 11 months ago #58 by annachie
    • annachie
    • annachie's Avatar


  • Posts: 597

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Should point out that we actually don't see the wording of the contract.
    7 years 11 months ago #59 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • Katssun wrote: It may also be worth noting that while the beginning of their conversation makes it clear that JJ is referring to getting JD back, Akelarre never makes specific mention of which brother she will be returning to him for his aid.


    She said nothing about returning his brother, and avoided saying she'd release him. "Reuniting" leaves room for negotiations against other Harrows as willing sacrifices.

    She could just sacrifice JD's life force, then bind the revenent to JJ, but somehow I don't think this woman would want to do that unless Fantasmo flubs his lines again.

    Katssun wrote: I assume that JJ knows enough about Sorcerer's Contracts from his mother, but we don't get that confirmation, because they don't go over the contract itself, just what will be in it.


    "JJ wrote out the contract as they’d agreed. Akelarre looked it over and found it good. She took a pin from her shawl and pricked her thumb with it. Then she signed the contract in her own blood. She handed JJ the pin, and he did likewise."

    Wouldn't it be ironic if JJ's heart's desire was more socks?

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    7 years 11 months ago #60 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • OK. From the way Akelarre phrased stuff, I'm pretty sure that J.J. or J.D. is going to be the "goat" (as in "scapegoat") in the sacrifice. Probably JJ, because she suggested that the Goat has to "go willingly", and she got JJ to make a deal with her that she thinks gives her his consent. She intends to let JJ "rejoin" JD -- IN DEATH, which would also free her to renew her malicious intents towards the rest of the family. That suggests that she was not deceived by JD's act, anymore than she was deceived by JJ's female seeming. To be sure, I thought there was something wrong with JD's plan right from the start -- either he's not doing this to help the family and is playing JJ for his own ends, or he is being played all along. After this last chapter, I'm going with "being played."

    Now, JJ is either being extremely stupid or extremely clever. Since this is a Bek story, I'm betting on "clever." My guess is that he played some games with the text of the contract, possibly "misplacing" a couple commas that completely change the literal meaning of the thing. Another possibility is that he banked on Akelarre not being really fluent in English, and having slipped a couple "false friends" into the contract -- words that appear to mean something for a native Spanish speaker, but in fact mean something different.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    7 years 11 months ago #61 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Actually, I was kind of wondering about the language of Sorcerer's Contracts. How much of the meaning comes from the person saying the words, or the person interpreting the words? Can you agree to a contract in a language you don't understand? Can you switch languages mid-contract?

    Specifically, I know of several words in Hebrew that sound like entirely different words in English. (For example, the Hebrew word for "fish" is pronounced like the English word "dog"). So if I made a Sorcerer's Contract to "bring you a 'dog' ", but I meant a fish, what would I have to do to fulfill the contract?

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago #62 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • This falls under what is called the 'Rule of the Letter'. In a circumstance where the Letter, the written or spoken words of a contract, conflict with the Spirit, the understood meaning of a contract, then the Letter has priority. You see this all the time in situations where some wiseass points out a loophole in the written agreement. If the contract or spoken agreement is in English, then the English meaning of the word used takes precedence.
    7 years 11 months ago #63 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • What about switching languages? If the contract switches languages half way through, with the ambiguous word directly in the middle, how would it be interpreted?

    I mean, I'd hope that nobody would be stupid enough to agree to a deliberately obfuscated Contract like that, but hey, hypotheticals.


    On a slightly less absurd note, does the Rule of the Letter apply even if all Contracted parties are in agreement about the Spirit? Will the Letter still take precedence, screwing over all parties involved?

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago #64 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • In the first case, if there is a conflict in the Spirit, there is no contract. There is no meeting of the minds, and no real agreement.

    In the second place, if all parties are in agreement regarding the Spirit, they can by mutual agreement, void the contract, and re-write. Typos happen, even in Magic.
    7 years 11 months ago #65 by Ametros
    • Ametros
    • Ametros's Avatar


  • Posts: 435

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Bek D Corbin wrote: In the second place, if all parties are in agreement regarding the Spirit, they can by mutual agreement, void the contract, and re-write. Typos happen, even in Magic.


    While we're here, would Magic be "content" leaving a contract voided by mutual agreement, or would pressure be exerted to issue a replacement contract?

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
    7 years 11 months ago #66 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • Ametros wrote:

    Bek D Corbin wrote: In the second place, if all parties are in agreement regarding the Spirit, they can by mutual agreement, void the contract, and re-write. Typos happen, even in Magic.


    While we're here, would Magic be "content" leaving a contract voided by mutual agreement, or would pressure be exerted to issue a replacement contract?


    I think that at this point in the Quest, the parties can chose to define their relationship mutually or have one provided for them.

    My own line of thought is that it shouldn't matter, even if everyone does keep tipping their cards, but if they do get crossed or reversed, you can expect JJ's stress levels to be cranked up to 11 (or maybe 22?).

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    7 years 11 months ago #67 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Ametros wrote:

    Bek D Corbin wrote: In the second place, if all parties are in agreement regarding the Spirit, they can by mutual agreement, void the contract, and re-write. Typos happen, even in Magic.


    While we're here, would Magic be "content" leaving a contract voided by mutual agreement, or would pressure be exerted to issue a replacement contract?


    It would depend, as with so many things, on the forces involved in the contract at that point. If the two parties spot the typo the second the ink is dry, it's not a problem. If it's a huge, involved, powerful working that's in its very last stage, we're talking train wreck. The Rule of Cyclicality states that Magic is a deviation from the norm, which requires energy to overcome inertia to get started. But once intertia has been overcome, the working will proceed onwards to fulfill its given goal. Like a computer, the magic will try to fulfill its given task as best it can, even with conflicting goal statements; unlike a computer, you can't just push 'reset' or pull the power cord to keep it from completely screwing you up.
    7 years 11 months ago #68 by Astrodragon
    • Astrodragon
    • Astrodragon's Avatar


  • Posts: 1998

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Actually what's really worrying me about this story is JJ's sock fetish...

    I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
    7 years 11 months ago #69 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • "My Grand Quest is flying out of control!" "Did you try rebooting it?"

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago #70 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Astrodragon wrote: Actually what's really worrying me about this story is JJ's sock fetish...

    Is there something else he can stuff a bra with without anyone else knowing why he has them?
    7 years 11 months ago #71 by mittfh
    • mittfh
    • mittfh's Avatar


  • Posts: 380

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 18 May 1977
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: "My Grand Quest is flying out of control!" "Did you try rebooting it?"


    And if power cycling doesn't fix it, then you can always opt for percussive maintenance...

    ...only when there's no hope left do you opt for defenestration...

    As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
    7 years 11 months ago #72 by Yolandria
    • Yolandria
    • Yolandria's Avatar


  • Posts: 595

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Is there something else he can stuff a bra with without anyone else knowing why he has them?

    Of course silly. The old classic toilet paper ruse.

    Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #73 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Yolandria wrote:

    Is there something else he can stuff a bra with without anyone else knowing why he has them?

    Of course silly. The old classic toilet paper ruse.


    How would you justify carrying all that toilet paper around? While, socks are a bit more understandable? Also, socks are reusable, while toilet paper sorta isn't.
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Malady.
    7 years 11 months ago #74 by Yolandria
    • Yolandria
    • Yolandria's Avatar


  • Posts: 595

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • True...But toilet paper is everywhere.So no need to carry it with you. And it's very easy to hide the evidence. 1 flush...

    Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
    7 years 11 months ago #75 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Yolandria wrote: True...But toilet paper is everywhere.So no need to carry it with you. And it's very easy to hide the evidence. 1 flush...

    Yes... but on a rainy day she may find her bra deflating.
    7 years 11 months ago #76 by Yolandria
    • Yolandria
    • Yolandria's Avatar


  • Posts: 595

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • He knew the job was dangerous when he took it. =)

    Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
    7 years 11 months ago #77 by OtherEric
    • OtherEric
    • OtherEric's Avatar


  • Posts: 463

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Having already read the entire story...

    I've had so much fun reading this particular comment thread it's amazing. Even if I don't dare actually say anything myself...

    :evil:
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #78 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Schol-R-LEA wrote: I will plant one Epileptic Tree, though: that JJ survives all of this, but none of his family does, so she is adopted by an eccentric billionaire living in Queens.

    And attends Whateley starting in 2008. Codename: Pixie.


    That sounds like an interesting story!

    It's definitely not the one Bek wrote, but I am intrigued by what story you thought up.


    That's about it, actually. At least about that part. I do have some speculations, though:

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    7 years 11 months ago #79 by Yolandria
    • Yolandria
    • Yolandria's Avatar


  • Posts: 595

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • JJ looked at the new phone and said, “Man, I hope I have enough pockets for all these phones.”

    Easy solution. Bring a purse! :P :P

    Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
    7 years 11 months ago #80 by Esar
    • Esar
    • Esar's Avatar


  • Posts: 328

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I think it has been mentioned that it would be a 5 parts story so the next part should be the last (If I am not mistaken obviously).

    I wonder if JJ's secrets will be revealed to her family at large by the end of the story.

    Thanks Bek.
    7 years 11 months ago #81 by Dreamer
    • Dreamer
    • Dreamer's Avatar


  • Posts: 984

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 03 Dec 1976
  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


    The Final Trump Part 4 comments
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    7 years 11 months ago #82 by Dpragan
    • Dpragan
    • Dpragan's Avatar


  • Posts: 209

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • From the way the things seem to be going, JJ will likely end up with amazing Cell-phone magic!

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

    =^+^=
    7 years 11 months ago #83 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • So what idiot threw a Drow in lockup?

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #84 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • Dreamer wrote:

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #85 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • mhalpern wrote: So what idiot threw a Drow in lockup?


    An idiot named Linus Garfield who was about to get a legal beatdown and get rumbled for manipulating the operation of the Cadet Crusaders in a bid to put them in the DA's pocket.

    Bek D. Corbin wrote: “Don’t worry, we didn’t put her in with the guys, we put her in the Super-Fish Tank.”

    “Are you NUTS?” I [Jadis] demanded, “You gotta get her out of there!”

    “Oh don’t worry. We don’t have anyone TOO dangerous in there. Let’s see: Big Bertha, Bloody Mary, the Killer Doll, The Mamba, and the Man-eater. All of ‘em street-level superbitches. And accordin’ to her MID, she’s got level: 4 Regen, so-”

    “I’m not worried about HER, you idiot!” I snapped, “I’m worried about THEM! You put five unarmed bottom-rung supergoons in a locked room with Jobe, in the state of mind she’s in? GET HER OUT OF THERE, BEFORE SHE CRIPPLES THEM!”


    Also, I did a search, and while no mention of Cptn. Storm is anywhere else so far, Black Sapphire did get mentioned as doing the same Batman/Catwoman thing with Red Thunder in one of the "Silver Linings" stories.

    Lastly (for now), the juxtaposition of Tao talisman (which has implications of, among other things, the balance between masculine and feminine) and the mention of the Onsen having a reputation as a place for making hookups made me wonder if someone might be using the talisman and the Vril-charged hot tubs to encourage superhumans to, ah, mate. Maybe Evo Rocks, or some remnant of one of the old Mutant Supremacist groups might have a hand in it, perhaps? You may recall a micro-scene of mine about a group that had infiltrated an ob/gyn office and was illicitly impregnating young women with sperm from mutants; this would be a less dastardly approach to the same idea.

    I'm probably reading too much into it; after all, some hanky-panky is pretty much a natural result of that sort of resort setup, anyway.

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    7 years 11 months ago #86 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Huh. JJ's joined the Quest on both sides now, has a major birthday coming up (15 isn't a particularly significant year, but they've pulled out all the stops for the party, so it probably still counts as 'big') that will likely be the focal point for the resolution of the quest. I have to wonder if his play is to shift the Quest entirely onto his own shoulders and make himself the primary recipient.

    That said, there's nothing less trustworthy than a double agent asking for a totally blind leap of faith. There's a chance that it will be a double or triple bluff, but it's almost a certainty now that JD betrays JJ.

    In other news, Fino is RSVPed for the party! Or possibly Fina at this point - we never got firm dates on when Envy and the Gilded Cage took place. And that would jibe with "there’s something going on there" from Mara. Fina is one of the my favorites among the characters who have yet to go beyond their introductory story. Can I dare to hope this signals her increased presence in future stories?

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #87 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Which Valoccos show up will tell us when both stories take place, so bonus info there...since Fino was still in school at the beginning of that story. We also finally learned Strega's name.

    On the other hand...we also now know Blue Diamond's name. Wasn't mentioned in Saks and Violence, Imp always called her "Diamond." But her real name is Hope.
    /groan

    We should've known the cabal would go there...

    Edit:
    It would almost certainly be Fino, and not Fina. Gilded Cage has Fino going to Prom, and unless his private school has it far earlier than normal, that would be towards the end of the school year, where this is likely set in April/May. Plus, Strega would brag to her professional friends like Mara about Fina. That's just the type of person she is. They both gush about their children.
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Katssun.
    7 years 11 months ago #88 by sam105
    • sam105
    • sam105's Avatar


  • Posts: 71

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Katssun said

    It would almost certainly be Fino, and not Fina. Gilded Cage has Fino going to Prom, and unless his private school has it far earlier than normal, that would be towards the end of the school year, where this is likely set in April/May. Plus, Strega would brag to her professional friends like Mara about Fina. That's just the type of person she is. They both gush about their children.

    .

    Where I am from Prom is in late March to April. School gets out in middle to late May. B) It starts in August.:evil:
    7 years 11 months ago #89 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • My high school has that schedule too. It makes a lot of sense, as it means you can line the semester break up with winter break instead of dropping it in the middle of February, students get more time before AP tests in May, and any student moving to a college on the semester system will be moving to that schedule anyways.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #90 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • This chapter suggests that the story takes place somewhere on the East Coast, probably the Northeast. Why? Well, the characters we met there. Let's see:
    - Blue Diamond, who is apparently based in New York (we have seen her often there, and never that I can recall elsewhere)
    - Big Bertha, who seems to be sorta low-rent supervillain... from New York... and who got the spa ticket from Dr. Diabolik... but apparently not travel expenses. I don't think Dr. Dad would be stupid enough to gift a spa to someone if the travel expense would put a serious dent in her wallet.
    - Granted, Black Sapphire was recovering from a caper in Seattle -- but from the way she speaks (a bit derisively) of Seattle, she's not based there, and in fact she speaks of having a number of heroes she plays the "Catwoman" card on -- which would work best if they don't talk to each other (flirting with one hero is "oh you so manly, you make me consider giving up the life of crime"; flirting with several of them is "I'll drop my panties for any guy in a cape." One plays up one's masculine ego so he doesn't think straight, the other... not so much.). So, different cities, meaning she travels a lot.
    Also, market. Not only the Northeast is very densely populated, but Supers are said to be particularly concentrated in New York. If you want to cater to the criminal super-element, well, set up shop where there are a lot of them.
    There are a number of place names dropped over the story, but from what I recall, they are all fairly common ones. Like "Springfield." But if you add all of them together, plus the presence of a harbor, and restrict the search to the Northeast, there might be enough to figure out the location.

    As for the timeline... "Saks and Violence" began on February 28 and advanced a few days to March. If Big Bertha is still recovering from the fight with Jobe, this should be March, not April. However, "The Widening Gyre" happens right after "Saks and Violence" (beginning on March 4), so it might be too late for Tilda to use the Artificer thing as an excuse.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Sir Lee.
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #91 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Maybe Mole doesn't exist, and Zack is held 'hostage' 'cause he got JJ the superphone, which is actually a superbug, rigged with stuff to take out ABBY, etc??

    Zack is a relative to one of the supervillains??
    Last Edit: 7 years 11 months ago by Malady.
    7 years 11 months ago #92 by NJM1564
    • NJM1564
    • NJM1564's Avatar


  • Posts: 738

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Maybe JJ is the Mole and doesn't know it. :/
    7 years 11 months ago #93 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • Sir Lee wrote: This chapter suggests that the story takes place somewhere on the East Coast, probably the Northeast. Why? Well, the characters we met there. Let's see:
    - Blue Diamond, who is apparently based in New York (we have seen her often there, and never that I can recall elsewhere)
    - Big Bertha, who seems to be sorta low-rent supervillain... from New York... and who got the spa ticket from Dr. Diabolik... but apparently not travel expenses. I don't think Dr. Dad would be stupid enough to gift a spa to someone if the travel expense would put a serious dent in her wallet.
    - Granted, Black Sapphire was recovering from a caper in Seattle -- but from the way she speaks (a bit derisively) of Seattle, she's not based there, and in fact she speaks of having a number of heroes she plays the "Catwoman" card on -- which would work best if they don't talk to each other (flirting with one hero is "oh you so manly, you make me consider giving up the life of crime"; flirting with several of them is "I'll drop my panties for any guy in a cape." One plays up one's masculine ego so he doesn't think straight, the other... not so much.). So, different cities, meaning she travels a lot.
    Also, market. Not only the Northeast is very densely populated, but Supers are said to be particularly concentrated in New York. If you want to cater to the criminal super-element, well, set up shop where there are a lot of them.
    There are a number of place names dropped over the story, but from what I recall, they are all fairly common ones. Like "Springfield." But if you add all of them together, plus the presence of a harbor, and restrict the search to the Northeast, there might be enough to figure out the location.

    As for the timeline... "Saks and Violence" began on February 28 and advanced a few days to March. If Big Bertha is still recovering from the fight with Jobe, this should be March, not April. However, "The Widening Gyre" happens right after "Saks and Violence" (beginning on March 4), so it might be too late for Tilda to use the Artificer thing as an excuse.


    The only thing about this being set early in the year, is that they went to a water park, Unless this is an indoor water park, it isn't likely to open until June. The highs in Springfield, Massachusetts are currently in the 50s (low teens for you people that use the weird scale). Springfield Florida on the other hand is currently in the low 80s (upper 20s).

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 11 months ago #94 by Ahimsa
    • Ahimsa
    • Ahimsa's Avatar


  • Posts: 73

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • An interesting fact: as the story stands, it contains 697 exclamation marks (!). That may be a record for the most amount of surprise (or exultation) in a story ever.

    sri-bhagavan uvaca | kalo 'smi loka-ksaya-krt pravrddho | lokan samahartum iha pravrttah | - "Lord Krishna said: I am terrible Time, the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world." - Bhagavad Gita 11:32
    7 years 11 months ago #95 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Ahimsa wrote: An interesting fact: as the story stands, it contains 697 exclamation marks (!). That may be a record for the most amount of surprise (or exultation) in a story ever.

    REALLY?!!!!! You're KIDDING?!!!!!!!
    7 years 11 months ago #96 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." - Terry Pratchett

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago #97 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." - Terry Pratchett


    Because wearing a bra on their head instead works soooo much ...

    ... Okay, it does work A LOT better!


    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    7 years 11 months ago #98 by marie7342231
    • marie7342231
    • marie7342231's Avatar


  • Posts: 256

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I've really enjoyed this story and Bek's writing. You could call it Razzle Dazzle 2 with so much villain behind the scenes snark. The Great Quest is great and it's taken a great left turn with JJ's deal. Can't wait to see what happens next!
    7 years 10 months ago #99 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Roses are the base unit of magical energy? ... ... Well, that 'does' explain the goat theme...

    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]
    7 years 10 months ago #100 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Heh... now that Part 5's here... let's see how many people's guesses are right... I know mine were thrown off by a few things that happen...
    7 years 10 months ago #101 by OtherEric
    • OtherEric
    • OtherEric's Avatar


  • Posts: 463

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • It was only when I got to the end of the story that I realized the Harrows are the Whateley universe version of a perfectly normal family. Specifically, the Addams Family.
    7 years 10 months ago #102 by Kristin Darken
    • Kristin Darken
    • Kristin Darken's Avatar


  • Posts: 3898

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Addam's Family... I ran Sound and Spotlight for a three month run of a production ("Triple Espresso") with a Stage Magician as one of the three actors... who happens to be the gent whose hand starred as Thing in the movies (Chris Hart). Nice guy, great stage magician... evidently quite big in Japan. He was flying out the night we closed (less than six hours after the show) to Japan to tour there.

    Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
    7 years 10 months ago #103 by Dpragan
    • Dpragan
    • Dpragan's Avatar


  • Posts: 209

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • On the bight-side for Jessie, there are already two other Changelings at the party. Too bad we didn't get to see Fina reveal to Jessie at least.

    I wonder where Jessie will park the Gypsy-cart at Whateley? I don't think there is a mystic branch of the Gearheads yet...unless you count Caitlin.

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

    =^+^=
    7 years 10 months ago #104 by Dreamer
    • Dreamer
    • Dreamer's Avatar


  • Posts: 984

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 03 Dec 1976
  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


    The Final Trump Part 5 comments
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #105 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • DanZilla wrote: Heh... now that Part 5's here... let's see how many people's guesses are right... I know mine were thrown off by a few things that happen...


    I think I did rather well, if I do say so myself.
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    An excellent ending, totally worth all the buildup. (I thought this was going to be a three part story when it started, but it was definitely worth all the extra parts). I especially loved the bit where Jessie is being betrayed and then betraying each of her accomplices in turn. Excellent symmetry.

    Really though, Akelarre should have known better than to break Sacred Hospitality at a gathering hosted by a family of mages. Also, she should expand her reference material. Doesn't know what a briar patch is... *shakes head*

    Also, I really want to see Fina, Jessie, and Gwen becoming a team. They'd be unstoppable and amazing.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by Arcanist Lupus.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #106 by Angeldude
    • Angeldude
    • Angeldude's Avatar


  • Posts: 255

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.

    I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”

    I can name one that you'll likely be meeting at your new school. On that note, is anyone willing to write a microscene of Jessie and Ayla have a Poe cottage pillow fight where the pillows are stuffed with cash?

    I believe that makes 2 new Bad Seeds for year 2: Jessie and Ribbon. Though one is far more enthusiastic about villainy than the other. Lodestone might count, and Mischief might be able to weasel her way in if she wants by convincing people that the Imp adopted her (much to her father's dismay).

    Love that Vivian suddenly wants to go to Whateley now after hearing that her brother (now sister) is going. I wonder if she will manage to steal enough money to pay tuition or if their family will take pity on her and pay for her.

    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
    All ideas free to use. You can probably make better use of them than me.
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by Angeldude. Reason: Fixed BBE quote.
    7 years 10 months ago #107 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Angeldude wrote: Love that Vivian suddenly wants to go to Whateley now after hearing that her brother (now sister) is going. I wonder if she will manage to steal enough money to pay tuition or if their family will take pity on her and pay for her.


    My guess is that if she makes a respectable amount, then they will cover the difference, and even possibly pay a little above that so that she can reap some rewards from her caper.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 10 months ago #108 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Angeldude wrote: Love that Vivian suddenly wants to go to Whateley now after hearing that her brother (now sister) is going. I wonder if she will manage to steal enough money to pay tuition or if their family will take pity on her and pay for her.


    My guess is that if she makes a respectable amount, then they will cover the difference, and even possibly pay a little above that so that she can reap some rewards from her caper.

    But.... that would mean that Jessie was... <flashing eyes, sound of teeth grating, fist clenched, small objects being thrown psychokinetically> that Jessie was ONE UP ON HER! And that desecration of the natural order can NOT be allowed to occur!
    7 years 10 months ago #109 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Hey, I never said that she'd accept the money. :D

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 10 months ago #110 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • Now that is what I call a finale!

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    7 years 10 months ago #111 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • Schol-R-LEA wrote: Now that is what I call a finale!


    It needed a curtain drop. :silly:

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 10 months ago #112 by Angeldude
    • Angeldude
    • Angeldude's Avatar


  • Posts: 255

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • With the wagon being brought to Whateley, I'd imagine a particular exchange going something like this:

    Ms. Grimes? I'd like you review... some books that a student brought.

    Sure. Approximately how many?

    Um... do you think you could do a small library?

    What‽ How does a single student pack an entire library with them?


    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
    All ideas free to use. You can probably make better use of them than me.
    7 years 10 months ago #113 by null0trooper
    • null0trooper
    • null0trooper's Avatar


  • Posts: 3032

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 19 Oct 1964
  • Angeldude wrote: That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.


    That part, and the family NOT being in on the Quest, fooled me.

    Seriously. Dr. XXX NOT being a red herring? A good bit of sleight-of-mind that.

    Angeldude wrote: I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?


    Up to a point, personal resources and school security being obvious limits, students can and do set up their own sleeping arrangements. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been 1d6 Rope Tricks on-campus set up to exit under a bunk since the early 1980s. The above-par facilities provided the Melvillians are in part to curb the impulse to do so, and instead "rough it" a little.

    Bringing the wagon to Whateley may be no more difficult than modifying its exterior dimensional interface to match a steamer trunk.

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”


    Loophole may have met that on the Kevra license. 'Shine for sure. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate just how badly the techies have been getting screwed over over the years.

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

    WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book

    Discussion Thread
    7 years 10 months ago #114 by Ametros
    • Ametros
    • Ametros's Avatar


  • Posts: 435

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • That was one hell of a finale. I'd call for an encore, but that would require lots of patience, and bribing a certain muse with alcohol, I believe.

    I find myself struck by just how apt and fitting the "unreliable narrator" is in this. Very good combination of suspense for us readers that meshes so very well with psychics being everywhere.

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
    7 years 10 months ago #115 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • null0trooper wrote:

    Angeldude wrote: That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.


    That part, and the family NOT being in on the Quest, fooled me.

    Seriously. Dr. XXX NOT being a red herring? A good bit of sleight-of-mind that.

    Angeldude wrote: I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?


    Up to a point, personal resources and school security being obvious limits, students can and do set up their own sleeping arrangements. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been 1d6 Rope Tricks on-campus set up to exit under a bunk since the early 1980s. The above-par facilities provided the Melvillians are in part to curb the impulse to do so, and instead "rough it" a little.

    Bringing the wagon to Whateley may be no more difficult than modifying its exterior dimensional interface to match a steamer trunk.

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”


    Loophole may have met that on the Kevra license. 'Shine for sure. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate just how badly the techies have been getting screwed over over the years.

    Well Phase is on the cusp if not already a mostly self made billionaire, yes he started with a pittance of an inheritance, but everything past that is his own hard work. Silver could easily get to that point BY breaking a sweat, her sweat is Mithril which according to the wiki is over $3,000 an ounce, so that's 333 and 1/3 ounces per mil, so about every 90 liters of sweat, not counting 'additional processing' (making enchanted items, use in Orichalcum, or other even unenchanted immediately (or nearly immediately) usable Mithril items. Mobius might be on his way to 1 mil, thanks to Phase and having a very desirable line of products that appear incredibly stable for devises, which means if anyone parses back what he does into real science he better get royalties, there is a list of other potential self made mega rich kids in Whateley who if they don't make themselves millionaires before 16, are likely to at least get very close before 18.

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    7 years 10 months ago #116 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • What can be said that hasn't already been said?

    I loved it!

    I kind of figured how things would play out the minute the "in hospitality" greeting was thrown out, but Jessie having PDP the whole time? Never saw that coming.

    Bek's stories never fail to surprise me, even with all the heavy foreshadowing that they have.
    7 years 10 months ago #117 by Angeldude
    • Angeldude
    • Angeldude's Avatar


  • Posts: 255

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • mhalpern wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    Angeldude wrote: That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.


    That part, and the family NOT being in on the Quest, fooled me.

    Seriously. Dr. XXX NOT being a red herring? A good bit of sleight-of-mind that.

    Angeldude wrote: I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?


    Up to a point, personal resources and school security being obvious limits, students can and do set up their own sleeping arrangements. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been 1d6 Rope Tricks on-campus set up to exit under a bunk since the early 1980s. The above-par facilities provided the Melvillians are in part to curb the impulse to do so, and instead "rough it" a little.

    Bringing the wagon to Whateley may be no more difficult than modifying its exterior dimensional interface to match a steamer trunk.

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”


    Loophole may have met that on the Kevra license. 'Shine for sure. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate just how badly the techies have been getting screwed over over the years.

    Well Phase is on the cusp if not already a mostly self made billionaire, yes he started with a pittance of an inheritance, but everything past that is his own hard work. Silver could easily get to that point BY breaking a sweat, her sweat is Mithril which according to the wiki is over $3,000 an ounce, so that's 333 and 1/3 ounces per mil, so about every 90 liters of sweat, not counting 'additional processing' (making enchanted items, use in Orichalcum, or other even unenchanted immediately (or nearly immediately) usable Mithril items. Mobius might be on his way to 1 mil, thanks to Phase and having a very desirable line of products that appear incredibly stable for devises, which means if anyone parses back what he does into real science he better get royalties, there is a list of other potential self made mega rich kids in Whateley who if they don't make themselves millionaires before 16, are likely to at least get very close before 18.


    While it's only come up with the power testing staff, Tennyo's products are over half a trillion times more valuable than Silver's by unit mass (going by real life market value of antihydrogen: $62.5 trillion / gram according to Google) Though given that she produces it as a plasma, it would likely be more difficult to generate the same weight as Silver. It's also far more difficult to transport and use.

    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
    All ideas free to use. You can probably make better use of them than me.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #118 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Angeldude wrote:

    mhalpern wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    Angeldude wrote: That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.


    That part, and the family NOT being in on the Quest, fooled me.

    Seriously. Dr. XXX NOT being a red herring? A good bit of sleight-of-mind that.

    Angeldude wrote: I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?


    Up to a point, personal resources and school security being obvious limits, students can and do set up their own sleeping arrangements. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been 1d6 Rope Tricks on-campus set up to exit under a bunk since the early 1980s. The above-par facilities provided the Melvillians are in part to curb the impulse to do so, and instead "rough it" a little.

    Bringing the wagon to Whateley may be no more difficult than modifying its exterior dimensional interface to match a steamer trunk.

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”


    Loophole may have met that on the Kevra license. 'Shine for sure. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate just how badly the techies have been getting screwed over over the years.

    Well Phase is on the cusp if not already a mostly self made billionaire, yes he started with a pittance of an inheritance, but everything past that is his own hard work. Silver could easily get to that point BY breaking a sweat, her sweat is Mithril which according to the wiki is over $3,000 an ounce, so that's 333 and 1/3 ounces per mil, so about every 90 liters of sweat, not counting 'additional processing' (making enchanted items, use in Orichalcum, or other even unenchanted immediately (or nearly immediately) usable Mithril items. Mobius might be on his way to 1 mil, thanks to Phase and having a very desirable line of products that appear incredibly stable for devises, which means if anyone parses back what he does into real science he better get royalties, there is a list of other potential self made mega rich kids in Whateley who if they don't make themselves millionaires before 16, are likely to at least get very close before 18.


    While it's only come up with the power testing staff, Tennyo's products are over half a trillion times more valuable than Silver's by unit mass (going by real life market value of antihydrogen: $62.5 trillion / gram according to Google) Though given that she produces it as a plasma, it would likely be more difficult to generate the same weight as Silver. It's also far more difficult to transport and use.


    important part of any market is the ability to store, transport and sell the product, you need magnetic bottles to store antimatter, and that means a constant power expenditure and not good for WMDS (harder to keep them from going off than it is to set them off), in addition you need expensive special equipment to use said product meaning few people will purchase it, labs will have their own source and there are cheaper safer means of power generation, it costs a fortune for any amount of it, and there is no real market for it.

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by mhalpern. Reason: They're there their
    7 years 10 months ago #119 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • mhalpern wrote:

    Angeldude wrote:

    mhalpern wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    Angeldude wrote: That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.


    That part, and the family NOT being in on the Quest, fooled me.

    Seriously. Dr. XXX NOT being a red herring? A good bit of sleight-of-mind that.

    Angeldude wrote: I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?


    Up to a point, personal resources and school security being obvious limits, students can and do set up their own sleeping arrangements. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been 1d6 Rope Tricks on-campus set up to exit under a bunk since the early 1980s. The above-par facilities provided the Melvillians are in part to curb the impulse to do so, and instead "rough it" a little.

    Bringing the wagon to Whateley may be no more difficult than modifying its exterior dimensional interface to match a steamer trunk.

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”


    Loophole may have met that on the Kevra license. 'Shine for sure. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate just how badly the techies have been getting screwed over over the years.

    Well Phase is on the cusp if not already a mostly self made billionaire, yes he started with a pittance of an inheritance, but everything past that is his own hard work. Silver could easily get to that point BY breaking a sweat, her sweat is Mithril which according to the wiki is over $3,000 an ounce, so that's 333 and 1/3 ounces per mil, so about every 90 liters of sweat, not counting 'additional processing' (making enchanted items, use in Orichalcum, or other even unenchanted immediately (or nearly immediately) usable Mithril items. Mobius might be on his way to 1 mil, thanks to Phase and having a very desirable line of products that appear incredibly stable for devises, which means if anyone parses back what he does into real science he better get royalties, there is a list of other potential self made mega rich kids in Whateley who if they don't make themselves millionaires before 16, are likely to at least get very close before 18.


    While it's only come up with the power testing staff, Tennyo's products are over half a trillion times more valuable than Silver's by unit mass (going by real life market value of antihydrogen: $62.5 trillion / gram according to Google) Though given that she produces it as a plasma, it would likely be more difficult to generate the same weight as Silver. It's also far more difficult to transport and use.


    important part of any market is the ability to store, transport and sell the product, you need magnetic bottles to store antimatter, and that means a constant power expenditure and not good for WMDS (harder to keep them from going off than it is to set them off), in addition you need expensive special equipment to use said product meaning few people will purchase it, labs will have their own source and there are cheaper safer means of power generation, it costs a fortune for any amount of it, and there is no real market for it.



    There may not be a market in our world, but in the WU there might be a market. Plus she only needs to produce fractions of a gram.

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 10 months ago #120 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Valentine wrote:

    mhalpern wrote:

    Angeldude wrote:

    mhalpern wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    Angeldude wrote: That was quite the adventure. It was said in the story and deserves to be repeated:

    Best! Birthday! EVAR!


    Revealing that JJ not only was bluffing about not having psychic powers, but was using them the entire time? I did not see that coming.


    That part, and the family NOT being in on the Quest, fooled me.

    Seriously. Dr. XXX NOT being a red herring? A good bit of sleight-of-mind that.

    Angeldude wrote: I wonder is she's seriously going to bring the wagon to Whateley, and if so, will she choose to sleep in it rather than a cotage and where will she put it? Does the school even let students set up their own sleeping arrangements?


    Up to a point, personal resources and school security being obvious limits, students can and do set up their own sleeping arrangements. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been 1d6 Rope Tricks on-campus set up to exit under a bunk since the early 1980s. The above-par facilities provided the Melvillians are in part to curb the impulse to do so, and instead "rough it" a little.

    Bringing the wagon to Whateley may be no more difficult than modifying its exterior dimensional interface to match a steamer trunk.

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”


    Loophole may have met that on the Kevra license. 'Shine for sure. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate just how badly the techies have been getting screwed over over the years.

    Well Phase is on the cusp if not already a mostly self made billionaire, yes he started with a pittance of an inheritance, but everything past that is his own hard work. Silver could easily get to that point BY breaking a sweat, her sweat is Mithril which according to the wiki is over $3,000 an ounce, so that's 333 and 1/3 ounces per mil, so about every 90 liters of sweat, not counting 'additional processing' (making enchanted items, use in Orichalcum, or other even unenchanted immediately (or nearly immediately) usable Mithril items. Mobius might be on his way to 1 mil, thanks to Phase and having a very desirable line of products that appear incredibly stable for devises, which means if anyone parses back what he does into real science he better get royalties, there is a list of other potential self made mega rich kids in Whateley who if they don't make themselves millionaires before 16, are likely to at least get very close before 18.


    While it's only come up with the power testing staff, Tennyo's products are over half a trillion times more valuable than Silver's by unit mass (going by real life market value of antihydrogen: $62.5 trillion / gram according to Google) Though given that she produces it as a plasma, it would likely be more difficult to generate the same weight as Silver. It's also far more difficult to transport and use.


    important part of any market is the ability to store, transport and sell the product, you need magnetic bottles to store antimatter, and that means a constant power expenditure and not good for WMDS (harder to keep them from going off than it is to set them off), in addition you need expensive special equipment to use said product meaning few people will purchase it, labs will have their own source and there are cheaper safer means of power generation, it costs a fortune for any amount of it, and there is no real market for it.



    There may not be a market in our world, but in the WU there might be a market. Plus she only needs to produce fractions of a gram.


    the thing is, anyone seeking to responsibly use it, would rather make their own on site, we are talking about the nuclear equivalent of pure, liquid nitroglycerin, being transported along side an operating load speaker, in an earthquake, it only takes fractions of a gram to destroy a city, if it annihilates in an environment where it can produce a shock-wave, (ie anything that isn't near total vacuum)

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    7 years 10 months ago #121 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I realize that this is a juicy, sexy, tech-nerd topic, but could you move it to the Tennyo thread? Or at least stop quoting? You've got five layers of redundancy going on there.
    7 years 10 months ago #122 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Okay, I loved this ending, and it went completely differently than I had thought it would... Well, the ending at least. Everything before Jessie came out went more or less as I had thought it would, but the ending went in the complete opposite direction...

    Also, would the fact that we're seeing Seraphina Sophia Valocco again mean that we may be having her story continued sometime soon? Envy is quite possibly my favourite character so fair, though the top 5 competition is quite fierce... and the top 10's barely less so...


    We hope so... I know she was one of Bek's considerations when coming-up with Jessie's story.
    7 years 10 months ago #123 by Kristin Darken
    • Kristin Darken
    • Kristin Darken's Avatar


  • Posts: 3898

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Bek D Corbin wrote: Or at least stop quoting?


    Thanks for saying that... I was about to note that, yes, its cool that some crazy admin set things up so the quotes work in transparency layers and produce cool color patterns as a result... BUT... seriously. It's not hard to trim quotes for relevancy. If you aren't referring to someone's WHOLE post, don't quote the WHOLE post.

    Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
    7 years 10 months ago #124 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • So, how magical is Jessie? Does she have more Ess than most anyone short of the profs?
    7 years 10 months ago #125 by Ametros
    • Ametros
    • Ametros's Avatar


  • Posts: 435

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Malady wrote: So, how magical is Jessie? Does she have more Ess than most anyone short of the profs?


    I believe the part about Akelarre expending most of her essence in that fight is true, which means that Jessie should only receive enough essence to place her maybe a decade or three ahead of baseline mages. She should have enough to be able to cast spells relatively freely without the prerequisite years of gathering and holding essence and building it up. Not to mention she already has years of reading on the subject of magic. At least I'd think this to be the case. She should be in good enough stead to keep pace with Wiz traits at Whateley, at any rate.

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #126 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I wonder who has more Ess in total when Jess gets to WA. Jadis, or her... Jadis has her Ley Tap...

    Last note of the night, reply in proper thread guys...: Are drow dependent on Ess like normal Sidhe are?

    Good night!
    Last Edit: 7 years 3 months ago by Malady.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #127 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • Angeldude wrote:

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”

    I can name one that you'll likely be meeting at your new school. On that note, is anyone willing to write a microscene of Jessie and Ayla have a Poe cottage pillow fight where the pillows are stuffed with cash?

    Bit of a correction. While there are legitimate self-made millionaires on campus, as has been pointed out (Loophole and 'Shine being two of them), Ayla is NOT one of them. He got 300 million as an INHERITANCE.

    True, he went from there to over a billion in a few months... but having this sort of startup capital on hand puts in question even calling Ayla a "self-made billionaire." How much "self-made" one is with this kind of leg up? Even if it's a pittance over how much money he was raised to expect to have? (Remember, he expected to inherit roughly TEN TIMES his current net worth).

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by Sir Lee.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #128 by mhalpern
    • mhalpern
    • mhalpern's Avatar


  • Posts: 2026

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Sir Lee wrote:

    Angeldude wrote:

    Besides, how many kids outside Show Biz can say that they were self-made millionaires before they were 16?”

    I can name one that you'll likely be meeting at your new school. On that note, is anyone willing to write a microscene of Jessie and Ayla have a Poe cottage pillow fight where the pillows are stuffed with cash?

    Bit of a correction. While there are legitimate self-made millionaires on campus, as has been pointed out (Loophole and 'Shine being two of them), Ayla is NOT one of them. He got 300 million as an INHERITANCE.

    True, he went from there to over a billion in a few months... but having this sort of startup capital on hand puts in question even calling Ayla a "self-made billionaire." How much "self-made" one is with this kind of leg up? Even if it's a pittance over how much money he was raised to expect to have? (Remember, he expected to inherit roughly TEN TIMES his current net worth).


    Ahh but strictly speaking Ayla IS able to claim the accomplishment, at least to people who only know the "official" story about how he got his starting money, that is a tragic car accident involving a truck that left Ayla and Gracie without parents, and someone who would compile such a list in-universe for the legally self made, without meeting the people in question, would put Ayla on such a list.

    So Ayla being a self made millionaire/billionaire is true, from a certain point of view.

    Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by mhalpern. Reason: I was FORCEd to make a change....
    7 years 10 months ago #129 by Hardric
    • Hardric
    • Hardric's Avatar


  • Posts: 207

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Taking the time to read the entire story after a busy week-end... Congrats to Bek for the story overall, and even more for the finale. It was involved as heck, but really entertaining to watch unfold (and there was no doubts JJ would be at the top. You always write great tricksters, an all of them could have ate this sorry gang for snacks). I can't wait for the future stories you'll write (any chance of a Nacht 2 happening during her Spring Break with Gloriana and Misty? Gwen's cameo bring back memories...).

    Just a little thing I spotted. The only Louis the Just we got here in France was Louis XIII, about 3 centuries after the end of the Templars. They were disbanded (and robbed) because of Philip IV the Fair (or Iron King if you go for another Englsh nickname).
    7 years 10 months ago #130 by mittfh
    • mittfh
    • mittfh's Avatar


  • Posts: 380

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 18 May 1977
  • Cripes, that was a fight scene and a half! As revealed at the end, more evidence of Jessie being very good at thinking on her feet (coupled with a handful of useful preparations beforehand). Then again, the combination of experience at what her relatives get up to plus a healthy dose of cynicism (rather than fawning upon them) probably helped her plan for what she regarded as the most likely contingencies. Being able to quickly evaluate a situation that's turning sour and make the best of it is also a pretty good skill to have.

    She mentioned keeping onto Akelerre's caravan for college, which suggests she's content with dorming at Whateley - almost certainly at Melville (wealthy, no obvious issues, gender change was unconventional but sort-of planned, rather than as a side-effect of her mutation).

    Thinking of the Academy, Viv may be going in the same year (assuming she secures sufficient funding), at least one invitee to the party is already at Whateley, while at least one is pre-registered to go as soon as they manifest (possibly Angelica Heller, given she's 8 months younger than JJ and hasn't manifested yet, possibly Ariel Oberon, possibly someone else).

    On the changeling front, there's Sophia (Fina), who seemed to be about the only other person wishing they were somewhere else and briefly hung out with JJ in awkward silence before she was called away, plus Mr. Magic's child, Gwen (formerly Artie).

    Finally...
    “Oh, British superheroes are a reasonable lot for the most part, and British Law Enforcement is very professional. But the British MEDIA? Now THEY are NASTY!”

    Oh yes, definitely! Especially a rag commonly nicknamed the Daily Wail (its editorial policy seems to be "The End Of The World Is Nigh", and seems to excel at finding demographics to blame). There's also The Sun (of "Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster!" and Page 3 fame, owned by Rupert "Fox" Murdoch and allegedly the best-selling newspaper in the UK... except in Liverpool).

    As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
    7 years 10 months ago #131 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • mittfh wrote: Oh yes, definitely! Especially a rag commonly nicknamed the Daily Wail (its editorial policy seems to be "The End Of The World Is Nigh", and seems to excel at finding demographics to blame). There's also The Sun (of "Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster!" and Page 3 fame, owned by Rupert "Fox" Murdoch and allegedly the best-selling newspaper in the UK... except in Liverpool).

    Fake news!

    I don't know about your side, but we call it "The Daily Fail" on this side of the pond, fyi. :)
    7 years 10 months ago #132 by Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus
    • Arcanist Lupus's Avatar


  • Posts: 1820

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • In hindsight, Jessie accepted the Highwayman's identity as JD far too quickly. The well-trained child of a supervillain family in a world filled with shapeshifters and illusionists would not be so quick to accept that claim unless they had other information about the subject that we were unaware of.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 10 months ago #133 by annachie
    • annachie
    • annachie's Avatar


  • Posts: 597

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: In hindsight, Jessie accepted the Highwayman's identity as JD far too quickly. The well-trained child of a supervillain family in a world filled with shapeshifters and illusionists would not be so quick to accept that claim unless they had other information about the subject that we were unaware of.


    But which what'shisname, the Highwayman, bought because he doesn't have anywhere near enough experience.

    Good thing Jesse got him before the real Highwayman decided to look him up. Actually, that was probably a huge tip off that it wasn't JD. Jessie's family, including JD, would respect code names and be unlikely to steal one.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #134 by mittfh
    • mittfh
    • mittfh's Avatar


  • Posts: 380

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 18 May 1977
  • Katssun wrote: I don't know about your side, but we call it "The Daily Fail" on this side of the pond, fyi. :)


    The Daily Fail is also used this side of the pond, as well as another rhyme deriving from their owner's support for the German and Italian leaders in the early 1930s...

    As for the other newspapers...
    Beginner's Guide to British Newspapers
    (From 1980, several years before the same joke turned up in Yes, Prime Minister - hence why it doesn't include The Independent, launched in 1984).

    As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by mittfh. Reason: Forgot to end a quote
    7 years 10 months ago #135 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • The Grauniad is probably my favorite, because though they've gone digital, they still uphold their reputation...and miss dozens of typos daily.
    7 years 10 months ago #136 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • I was giving this a reread, and realized there's something very subtle (very Bek and Branwen...) about Strega, because of what we learned, but more importantly, did not learn, in The Final Trump.

    The passages that cover Strega and Envy in The Final Trump seem like a pretty standard cameo, but when I was looking them over again, there's definitely something off about them. Hiding something really interesting.

    a petite girl with her dark brown hair in an over-elaborate hairdo, who was trying way too hard to look older and sophisticated, when JJ knew all-too well that she was eight months younger than he was.

    This introduces us to Angelica, who's reactions and familiarity with JJ play an important role.

    “You have a very off idea of ‘interesting,” Angelica sneered. She said that she was looking around for something to drink, but she pointedly ignored the punch bowl, the bottles of sparkling water, and the cans of soft drinks. She was warming up to make some sort of snotty remark when the chime rang and the elevator opened. Two women, actually a woman and a teenage girl, stepped out. Angelica was just about to make a remark when she froze, mouth open, and groaned, “Ohh… bugger…”

    The woman and girl, obviously mother and daughter, in one of those slightly creepy near-lookalike situations that was emphasized by the nearly identical sheath dresses and high heels they wore. The woman was a classic Italian beauty in the mode of Sophia Loren or Monica Bellucci, with a squarish face, magnificent cheekbones, upturned nose, large almond-shaped incredibly green eyes, wide full lips and small chin. She had long silky midnight black hair pulled back in a deceptively simple arrangement. The sheath dress didn’t conceal, but rather framed a magnificent body with delicious curves, and long slinky legs. The girl looked like her mother, stepped back in time.

    Angelica is more annoyed that she's been suddenly upstaged by two far more attractive and sophisticated women. What she's been trying to ape at this party.

    “Omigawd!” Angelica gasped, “That’s Celestina Valocco! What’s Celestina Valocco doing here?”

    “Same as we are,” Ariel smirked. “She’s also the Black Strega. What? Doesn’t your daddy let you in on little trade secrets like that?” Ariel’s smirk dropped. “But who’s the girl? And where’s Fino?”

    “Didn’t you hear?” Angelica said with a retaliatory snip, “Celestina’s got a daughter who nobody knew about until there was a thing in Massachusetts a few weeks ago.”

    ‘Yeah, I remember that,” JJ said. “But still… where’s Fino?”

    This is where things suddenly get super interesting. We knew back in Envy and Gilded Cage that Strega was Mrs. Valocco, and now we learn that her name is Celestina. But the important part here is that Angelica didn't recognize her as Strega, but she immediately recognized her as Celestina Valocco, and got super excited. Then Angelica blathers on about the news that "Celestina" has come out about secret daughter and it was a big deal. First name usage after she recognized her? That's how people treat celebrities. Veeeeerrry Interesting...

    Seth smirked, not taking his eyes off Sophia’s cleavage.

    “You DO know that my mother’s right over there?” Sophia pointed over to where Celestina was holding court, with the Count, Latigo, Ace, and Prof. Oberon all in rapt attendance.

    Seth’s gaze flickered in that direction on pure reflex, but the sight of Celestina Valocco in that sheath dress reached out and seized his teenage horndog attention. Looking back and forth between mother and daughter, Seth’s sleek veneer of cool cracked badly. “Hah? How?”

    Seth has the same reaction to seeing, not just Envy's equally attractive mom, but seeing Celestina Valocco.

    But from Envy and the Gilded Cage, we know that the Valocco's are connected to the Cosa Nostra and the Syndicate through business and favors, but aren't officially affiliated with either. It's "Uncle" Paulie in the way that close mafia friends are, and Strega obviously has Syndicate connections with her reputation. But they aren't direct family, and Paulie deals with them despite the mafia mutant policy.

    So, interestingly enough...Black Strega is not her only reputation.

    We learned that Strega is Celestina Valocco...but who exactly is Celestina Valocco?!
    7 years 10 months ago #137 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • There was chatter about threatening Paris, by others, and that was done under the Strega identity, as said in GildedCage3 ? So, some people know the connection?
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #138 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • The criminal elements know that they're one in the same, but Ariel's line to Angelica implies that not everyone is in the know, while Angelica's lines and Seth's reaction indicate that Celestina Valocco is better known than Strega in the current timeline.

    It's a stark contrast to Dr. Dad and Gizmatic, where their public and villain names are both known. Strega is a BIG deal, but her identity as Celestina Valocco is in her own right.

    Strega has been prominently active since at least 1953, per this story.
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by Katssun.
    7 years 10 months ago #139 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • I would say that Celestina Valocco is at the very least a very visible socialite, in the sense that Ivana Trump or Paris Hilton are/were very visible socialites. Possibly also at some time a top-tier fashion model. We don't know who Fino/Sophia's father is, if s/he was the son/daughter of somebody famous it would have been mentioned before...

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    7 years 10 months ago #140 by annachie
    • annachie
    • annachie's Avatar


  • Posts: 597

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Or an infamous mob wife living off the fame of her tell all book that just happened to somehow not mention Paullie or his associates ;)
    7 years 10 months ago #141 by Hardric
    • Hardric
    • Hardric's Avatar


  • Posts: 207

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Katssun wrote: The criminal elements know that they're one in the same, but Ariel's line to Angelica implies that not everyone is in the know, while Angelica's lines and Seth's reaction indicate that Celestina Valocco is better known than Strega in the current timeline.

    It's a stark contrast to Dr. Dad and Gizmatic, where their public and villain names are both known. Strega is a BIG deal, but her identity as Celestina Valocco is in her own right.

    Strega has been prominently active since at least 1953, per this story.


    Well, it also seems like she was active during WW2 too according to Envy 3, and probably before. After all, you can't have comics printed about you if you're a nobody. Although she was Strega for said comics.
    7 years 10 months ago #142 by DanZilla
    • DanZilla
    • DanZilla's Avatar Topic Author


  • Posts: 1648

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Kinda makes you want to see some Eisenmadel and Strega Crossover Event comics... though, to be fair, Eisenmadel was in the post WWII timeframe.
    7 years 10 months ago #143 by Kettlekorn
    • Kettlekorn
    • Kettlekorn's Avatar


  • Posts: 1383

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: (15 isn't a particularly significant year, but they've pulled out all the stops for the party, so it probably still counts as 'big')

    Well, it is for some people , although that's a Latin American tradition, and the Harrows are French and British. But then, this is America, and we're all about that hot cultural melting pot action! No, never mind those cheeto stains on the white house. Melting pots!

    I am the kernel that pops in the night. I am the pain that keeps your dentist employed.
    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #144 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • So which of JJ's guests are going to Whateley?

    These are the appropriately aged kids.

    Angelica Heller - not manifested
    Ariel Oberon -
    Seraphina Sophia Valocco - Envy
    Akateko Kaito
    Tenka Kaito
    Seth Eden
    Arsene Pellegrini-St. Germaine
    Teddy - not manifested
    Gwen -

    So which of these are students in Spring 2007?

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    Last Edit: 7 years 10 months ago by Valentine.
    7 years 10 months ago #145 by Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin
    • Bek D Corbin's Avatar


  • Posts: 849

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Well, the Kaitos aren't mutants, and their paranormal abilities are more the product of training and possession of esoteric objects than personal empowerment, so Akateko and Tenka aren't going. And even if they did have innate powers, they'd be far more likely to attend the Yama Dojo than Whateley.

    Seth is, or at least may become, a Legacy Mage than a mutant-trait mage.

    And Teddy has manifested his mutant trait- his dad, Boulder, was just yanking Nick's chain.
    7 years 10 months ago #146 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • Bek D Corbin wrote: Well, the Kaitos aren't mutants, and their paranormal abilities are more the product of training and possession of esoteric objects than personal empowerment, so Akateko and Tenka aren't going. And even if they did have innate powers, they'd be far more likely to attend the Yama Dojo than Whateley.

    Seth is, or at least may become, a Legacy Mage than a mutant-trait mage.

    And Teddy has manifested his mutant trait- his dad, Boulder, was just yanking Nick's chain.


    I don't think that Teddy would be gushing over the Mystical Arts program.

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 9 months ago #147 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • So, which is better, the Stinger, or the GizMassacre430?

    “AND! And, just to complete the set, there’s the GizMassacre430!” He picked up and hefted a boxy carbine weapon. “The GizMassacre isn’t just another plasma weapon, it is THE most versatile weapon ever designed! It can adapt to over 15 different configurations, six basic energy type settings, including good old kinetic impact, and in conjunction with the GizRat, it can be adjusted so that it can either batter down, or just GO THROUGH almost any PFG field on the market! WOO!” Shane finished with a whoop. Well, he’s a Wilkins all right; he loves his job.

    “One of Dr. Smart’s claims to fame- besides a well-earned reputation as an Adventuring and Investigative Scientist- is that she has developed one of the most versatile and effective handheld energy weapons ever devised! The Stinger is basically a very versatile vari-phase plasma weapon, but she’s rigged it somehow so that it has functioned as a high power laser, maser, photon accelerator, neural inhibitor, sonic weapon, vibratory agitator, gravity modulators and even a molecular cohesion inhibitor!”


    Asking for a friend.
    7 years 9 months ago #148 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • Katssun wrote: So, which is better, the Stinger, or the GizMassacre430?

    “AND! And, just to complete the set, there’s the GizMassacre430!” He picked up and hefted a boxy carbine weapon. “The GizMassacre isn’t just another plasma weapon, it is THE most versatile weapon ever designed! It can adapt to over 15 different configurations, six basic energy type settings, including good old kinetic impact, and in conjunction with the GizRat, it can be adjusted so that it can either batter down, or just GO THROUGH almost any PFG field on the market! WOO!” Shane finished with a whoop. Well, he’s a Wilkins all right; he loves his job.

    “One of Dr. Smart’s claims to fame- besides a well-earned reputation as an Adventuring and Investigative Scientist- is that she has developed one of the most versatile and effective handheld energy weapons ever devised! The Stinger is basically a very versatile vari-phase plasma weapon, but she’s rigged it somehow so that it has functioned as a high power laser, maser, photon accelerator, neural inhibitor, sonic weapon, vibratory agitator, gravity modulators and even a molecular cohesion inhibitor!”


    Asking for a friend.


    They are always asking for a "friend."

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 9 months ago #149 by Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee
    • Sir Lee's Avatar


  • Posts: 3113

  • Gender: Male
  • Birthdate: 08 Nov 1966
  • Well, Gizmatic's sales brochure claims his is THE best, but consider that Giz would keep an even better version for himself... so the GizMassacre is probably "only" the best mass-produced such weapon in existence.

    The Stinger, OTOH, is a one-of-a-kind, custom-made job. I would bet... an entire tray of croissants that it handily beats the production GizMassacre. Whether it beats the custom GizMassacre in Joe Wilkins' personal arsenal is harder to say.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #150 by Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA
    • Schol-R-LEA's Avatar


  • Posts: 1766

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 24 Oct 1968
  • Katssun wrote:

    “Same as we are,” Ariel smirked. “She’s also the Black Strega. What? Doesn’t your daddy let you in on little trade secrets like that?” Ariel’s smirk dropped. “But who’s the girl? And where’s Fino?”

    “Didn’t you hear?” Angelica said with a retaliatory snip, “Celestina’s got a daughter who nobody knew about until there was a thing in Massachusetts a few weeks ago.”

    ‘Yeah, I remember that,” JJ said. “But still… where’s Fino?”

    This is where things suddenly get super interesting. We knew back in Envy and Gilded Cage that Strega was Mrs. Valocco, and now we learn that her name is Celestina. But the important part here is that Angelica didn't recognize her as Strega, but she immediately recognized her as Celestina Valocco, and got super excited. Then Angelica blathers on about the news that "Celestina" has come out about secret daughter and it was a big deal. First name usage after she recognized her? That's how people treat celebrities. Veeeeerrry Interesting...

    Seth smirked, not taking his eyes off Sophia’s cleavage.

    “You DO know that my mother’s right over there?” Sophia pointed over to where Celestina was holding court, with the Count, Latigo, Ace, and Prof. Oberon all in rapt attendance.

    Seth’s gaze flickered in that direction on pure reflex, but the sight of Celestina Valocco in that sheath dress reached out and seized his teenage horndog attention. Looking back and forth between mother and daughter, Seth’s sleek veneer of cool cracked badly. “Hah? How?”

    Seth has the same reaction to seeing, not just Envy's equally attractive mom, but seeing Celestina Valocco.

    But from Envy and the Gilded Cage, we know that the Valocco's are connected to the Cosa Nostra and the Syndicate through business and favors, but aren't officially affiliated with either. It's "Uncle" Paulie in the way that close mafia friends are, and Strega obviously has Syndicate connections with her reputation. But they aren't direct family, and Paulie deals with them despite the mafia mutant policy.

    So, interestingly enough...Black Strega is not her only reputation.

    We learned that Strega is Celestina Valocco...but who exactly is Celestina Valocco?!


    I also picked up something too: Ariel and JJ knew about Fino, but I got the sense that Angelica didn't. Given that, and the fact that a) she used a fake apartment as Fino's official address, b) their actual home was made to like an ordinary suburban house from the outside, and c) no one at school seems to have any clue who Fino's mother was, tells me that while she might be in the limelight, she's assiduously kept her child out of it until now. Since at least some people (including the FBI) are aware of the connection, hiding Fino until he/she manifested was a sensible move, and Strega is nothing if not sensible (or at least ruthlessly pragmatic) in matters like those.

    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
    Last Edit: 7 years 9 months ago by Schol-R-LEA.
    7 years 9 months ago #151 by Valentine
    • Valentine
    • Valentine's Avatar


  • Posts: 3121

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: 17 Aug 1966
  • Now I wonder, especially since we know that both Fina and Jessie, are attending Whateley, how long did it take Fina to admit to Jessie that she was originally Fino.

    And did they manage to room with each other?

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 9 months ago #152 by Katssun
    • Katssun
    • Katssun's Avatar


  • Posts: 1333

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Probably about as long as it took Jessie, looking very comfortable in her new form, to saunter back over to Fina shortly after dinner and ask...

    ...and Strega answered.

    As for rooming together? I imagine a healthy donation assisted. After all, Strega wants a role model for Fina who is comfortable in her own skin.

    :lol:
    6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #153 by Malady
    • Malady
    • Malady's Avatar


  • Posts: 3893

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • Presuming that Clarice Gage, envoy of the Fifth White Lady, Madeline St. Claire, is the same Clarice who is Madeline's daughter...

    Is Clarice's teenage daughter, Nicolette? 'Cause in 2016, Nicolette is seventeen years old...

    But the Gage Daughter is called "a trim, confident teenager with champagne-colored hair and her mother’s less-than-fortunate nose was subordinate to her mother"

    The Final Trump is happening in 2007, ten years before 2016, so Nicolette would be seven years old... Certainly not a teenager...

    Did something happen to the older Gage daughter, or people aren't who we think they are??

    Or WMG: the Gage Daughter is Madeline, disguised...
    Last Edit: 6 years 2 months ago by Malady.
    6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #154 by Anne
    • Anne
    • Anne's Avatar


  • Posts: 1411

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • mhalpern wrote: So what idiot threw a Drow in lockup?

    As near as I can tell part 4 of this is contemporary with Diamonds are a girls best friends.... Saks and Violence....
    The Drow is Jobe...
    Last Edit: 6 years 2 months ago by Anne.
    6 years 2 months ago #155 by Anne
    • Anne
    • Anne's Avatar


  • Posts: 1411

  • Gender: Unknown
  • Birthdate: Unknown
  • A search for Scapegrace will get you all the parts of this story if you want to read them all as a piece... Not that I would do any such thing rather than writing...
    Moderators: WhateleyAdminKristin DarkenE. E. NalleyelrodwNagrijMageOhkiAstrodragonNeoMagusWarrenMorpheusWasamonsleethrOtherEricBek D CorbinMaLAguASouffle GirlPhoenix SpiritusStarwolfDanZillaKatie_LynMaggie FinsonDrBenderJGBladedancerRenae_Whateley
    Powered by Kunena Forum