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Question Blast from the Past
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- Dpragan
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MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA We now see Ayla's evil [Coffee] plan come to Fruition!
Langley Paulson, Hmm, not sure if Liz's paramour's name has been mentioned before now?
Jericho may not do weapons, but they might want to contact him about armor or are they planning on using REACT armor?
Somewhere in Extra-Dimensional Space<<<< At this point now, if you ask me they should have included Tennyo, she might be feeling peckish.
---I'm also guessing at this point she is looking for an old friend,
Gearhead, hopefully assistant to Donner.....oh Dear Donna and Donner!
Friendship indeed!
Finished reading, running commentary finished.
In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.
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- Arcanist Lupus
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Well, I wasn't anywhere near correct, but I was closer than I had any right to be! The story includes a Force being born from the Astarte Force which was born from the Champion Force, I was at least somewhere in the neighborhood.Arcanist Lupus wrote:
Champion dies?elrodw wrote: 2 dozen home-made caramel pecan roles that ONE of the stories is so out of left field that NO-ONE will get even close to guessing what it is
I especially liked the surgery scene. It reminded me a bit of a surgery in The Dragon Doctors . An excellent demonstration of what you can achieve by combining distinct magical and scientific disciplines.
I shudder at 10 or 20 years of culture shock. 60 years - that's back in 1947. Forget catching up on modern pop culture - she doesn't know who Elvis is! Since she vanished we've been to the moon, developed all manner of computers, participated in several wars, almost completely restructured the political balance of power in the world, and so much more!
Not to mention the LGBT+ community, of which Maria is a part. (Does anybody wish to join me on the good ship Donna Maria? I feel like there's a good Donna Donna related shipname we could make from the Songbird connection, but I have no idea what it is.)
Now I have to go dig up what we knew about Donna's disappearance. I have to admit I'd pulled a Carson and completely forgotten about it.

I'm pretty sure Paulson's name has come up before. I can never remember who he is, though.Dpragan wrote: Running commentary as I read it:
MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA We now see Ayla's evil [Coffee] plan come to Fruition!
Langley Paulson, Hmm, not sure if Liz's paramour's name has been mentioned before now?
Jericho may not do weapons, but they might want to contact him about armor or are they planning on using REACT armor?
Somewhere in Extra-Dimensional Space<<<< At this point now, if you ask me they should have included Tennyo, she might be feeling peckish.
---I'm also guessing at this point she is looking for an old friend, or her remains?
Agreed that Tennyo probably would have been a good choice, given her near indestructibility, particular aptitude for demon
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Dpragan
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In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.
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- Yolandria
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Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
- Katssun
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Do maximum security women's supervillain prisons have "social" visitation rights?Yolandria wrote: The cutest part of the story... Lady Havoc making out with Pinnacle. That was so cute!!!!
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That, and Ribbon's "secret" is out, she's Rachel's daughter.


Jobe and Bugs collaborating on a project.



How much paperwork is Mrs. Carson going to be filling out for the remainder of the weekend and all of the following week, plus telecons with the trustees explaining herself?
But this was my favorite part:
Talk about mixed signals Carson. You're practically asking her to misbehave down the road."You want me to what?!?" Kayda demanded incredulously. "You said I can't do that!"
"I said you can't do it unless you're supervised," Mrs. Carson shot back to the astounded Lakota girl.
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Oh crap, I totally forgot!
Who is Maria's next door neighbor in the village?! Poor Donna is in for a major shock. So is the neighbor in question. Donna is completely immune to pop culture references!
- Dreamer
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
Blast From the Past comments
Using Star Trek references and Liz learned them just to deal with those two, bwahaha. Langley Paulson, plus Louis forcing her to confront a horrible past event that still haunts her months ago. And the answer or at least the key suddenly comes to her, just right when she tries to stop thinking about it. Interdimensional and time based aspects to a puzzle, no wonder it took her so long.
All devisors including Jobe, plus Ribbon and Roulette, what does she have planned. Whoa, willing to upset the trustees to see this project through. A mission they have to do before Sunday evening or won't have another chance for 7 years, yikes. 4 heavy hitters for this mission, this is the most serious I think we've ever seen Mrs. Carson about something. Wait a minute, just thought of what this might be about. Her friend that disappeared years ago, is this a rescue mission perhaps?
Whoa, bringing in Rachel for this project, thus need Ribbon to deal with her, this is beyond huge. Bunny, Jobe and Belphoebe, Koala, Moebius, Hazmat, Eruption, Flashbang, Goodvibes, Fixx, Dredz, Less-than-three, Kew, Keystone, Spark, Techno-Devil, and Slapdash, that is a lot of devisors. They have a lot of work to do in a very short amount of time. Darn, Spark is out. Dredz, Less-than-three, Techno-Devil, Slapdash, and Keystone as well, ouch.
A selective bio-agent based on limited information and it is a weapon of last resort, yikes, those always seem to be needed. Good lord, this mission into an alternate dimension sounds almost like a trip to Hell if not worse from all they need and that last option Carson is having Eruption and Fixx work on.
Shortcut there and yeah, if Ribbon can't control Lady Havoc a security squad would be torn through easily. Mystery Woman there as well. Awww, got me tearing up alongside Alyss upon seeing Rachel. Set them up in a guest cottage, but Rachel wants to sleep in the labs, stubborn. D'oh! Calling Aylss her darling daughter, she is never going to live it down now. Needs Roulette to be on the phone with her when she ask her mom to deliver a very special devise, calling in everything possible for this mission.
Dang, a job even Jobe is finding that difficult, never thought I would see the day. Busy little beavers, all working so hard, hope they don't collapse from exhaustion. And always smart to know the limits of what can be done in the time needed and change plans to adapt.
Jericho close to the labs and wondering what is going on, overhearing things that make him curious why he wasn't asked to help even more. Carson upset about Jericho's curiosity, having him make that promise, you know not to question her when Carson gets like that.
Point-critical-mass from a very small amount of material, just what kind of weapon is that! Deuterium and tritium, good lord, plus if it passes the gadgeteer test it could be sold to the Department of Energy, that is a powerful source of energy.
Rachel and Pinncale caught kissing by Mrs. Carson, too funny how they act like a couple of embarrassed teenagers. An energy rifle like that, dang, that is some devise. A slime that hardens into an unbreakable shell and capable of holding an Exemplar 5, if that passed the gadgeteer test it could be marketed. Carson insist on Rachel taking care of herself, if not I fear how Rachel might push herself.
Mal trying to confirm who Lady Havoc is, naughty, naughty. Spying on them like that, Mal jumps to conclusions and he is going to get in trouble if caught. And taking this info to the other Bad Seeds, Mal needs to learn to use some common sense in these kind of situations.
Recall crystals and a focus being made by Caitlin and from the sounds of it Silver and Seraphim as well. They are using a ton of resources for this mission, almost sounds like between the devises and magical items and artifacts in the order of millions or more. Psi shields based on Nikki's psi blocking spell, *eyes bug out*
And she heard whispers about the devisors and high-level gadgeteers working on the projects from various students, a lot of rumors going on. Caitlin thinks it is a threat to the school, it is a personal issue though and Mrs. Carson is paying for everything out of personal funds, yikes.
What did she discover that has Mrs. Carson so freaked out now. Wanting Circe to look it over and getting Ms. Grimes to, portal opens every 7 years and 4 months and will close in an hour, two tops, darn it! Gathering everything up, even the stuff that hasn't been tested yet, she is desperate now.
All this planning and ruined because she missed one thing and miscalculated how much time she had left, talk about crunch time. And I have the feeling if Carson tries to do this alone that Caitlin won't let her, among other students and staff. And yup, Caitlin is going, Langley is going, and he suggest they get Lanie and Kayda to go as well. Rush job now to beat the clock, this is going to be brutal.
If they could get some of the other Outcasts, I think Diamondback would volunteer as well at least, if not the rest of them. Mr. Paulson's outfit sounds like something out of Silverhawks almost. Dang, sorcerer's contract to get Lanie and Kayda to agree to return if in over their heads or ordered to by Carson. Lose both the shield spell or charm and PFG, if it has gotten that bad you would want to leave.
Yikes, alien world seems like an understatement for the alternate dimension they just went into. Good lord, a creature right out of nightmares coming at them already. Crystalline trees and branches that shatter like flechettes, it is like the whole environment can be used as a weapon against them. Her machine gun not feeding, things have already gone from bad to worse for the Whateley crew.
Even injuring the creature is dangerous to them, it is attacking them intelligently and regenerates that rapidly, anyone have a dragon they can fight instead, that seems easier at this point. Adapting as it needed, no single vital organ to put it down, this is like the perfect threat. Frozen by a cryo-grenade, hit by an explosive arrow from Lanie and then an essence-laden arrow from Kayda, hitting it hard yet it shuts down their PFGs as well, nightmare!
And Caitlin sent out as one of the claw-missiles crushes her recall crystal, darn it! And now a mist from the crystal trees to hide the creature, as if things aren't bad enough already. And now more creatures join in the attack, at least the girls, Mrs. Carson and Tin Man are holding their own for now. And it seems like an unlimited number of the flying threat are there, one taken down and two take its place, how to end this.
Carson calls for an abort on the trip, but the girls are still fighting, Lanie gets a broken leg and cracks a rib yet still gets up to keep fighting. Ouch, Kayda hurt by the claw-spears and they have poison on them, brutal. What the! A high-pitched woman's voice calling for help, who I'm guessing is the reason for this trip, if they can get her and escape it will have worked out.
Tin Man finds a clearing, but is 120 meters from where they are fighting, in this situation that might as well be miles away. And Lanie won't leave despite Kayda trying to remind her of what Carson made them promise, stubborn girl. Violating a sorcerer's contract to help out Carson save whoever is calling for help, guessing this adventure is one of the reasons Carson owes Lanie favors in the future.
And what type of grenade did Carson give the girls, must be powerful to have a chance against that demon. A singularity bomb! She gave them that, that is one of the most destructive grenades I can think of. And I was right! It is Donna, Mrs. Carson's long-lost friend, still alive after all these years stuck in this dimension. And Donna is rescued and they are out of there, that was brutal for such a short amount of time.
Why are the lights off, what happened? Dimmed lights and silence, Kayda's wounds seemed to be on fire, and they get to Doyle. Know what they are dealing with due to dealing with Caitlin's injuries...last evening!?! They were in there for minutes, yet hours passed out here, yikes. No more than 10-15 minutes in that nightmare dimension, and if Caitlin hadn't been sent back she could have died due to her essence flow being stopped, whoa.
Pain at 11.5 and Carson keeps it together that well, dang, total badass. Time-dilation between the two dimensions of at least 75, just over 23 hours out here, yikes. Donna is still around 20 years old, didn't age in all these years. Ushering them out and promising to tell Carson if Donna's situation changes.
And now talk to Kayda and Lanie about how they disobeyed Carson's direct order and broke a sorcerer's contract. And they are wondering how it is possible for Donna to not have changed after all these years. Only 6 or 7 months older since she last saw her, so it has only been that long for Donna, still a long time in that dimension. And this time they swear to keep what they just learned a secret. Complicates life a lot, that sounds like a huge understatement.
Poor Donna, to find out so much time has passed, plus to hear how Liv has been looking all this time for her. Donna has true faith in her best friend, that is rare to see.
Oh boy, Donna not talking to Dr. Bellows, only talking about Liz, yeah, they need Carson to be in there to get Donna to open up. Oh boy, attracted to Liz and held onto it all this time for her, and now letting it out, not good. Oh boy, until Kayda and Lanie reminded her Liz forgot about Donna for 20 years, ouch.
Grimes, Tenent, and Dr. Bellows, okay. But why are Dr. Hewley and Dr. Aranis there as well. Kidney failure from the pain meds, yet that won't matter much, sounds like the toxics in the other dimension did permanent damage to Donna and she has a limit amount of time to live without a miracle. Dying and can't purify her as it sends her into cardiac arrest, yikes. Time dilation effects tearing apart her cellular structure, this sucks. Rescue her and now she is dying. Carson breaking down and crying, this isn't fair. That short amount of time left, arrgggh!
Ouch, parents dead, one brother died in a war in Korea in the 50s, other brother in Florida but has Alzheimer's, suck fest all around. And finding out she has 2 days, 3 at most left, this is painful to watch. Crying and Liz promising to remember Donna, to keep her spirit alive. Like a punch to the gut seeing this unfold.
Keep her spirit alive, it gave Carson an idea that might just work. Bind a spirit to Donna, this is desperate talk, a powerful spirit to hold her body together while the toxin is purged, yikes. And getting Kayda to bring a powerful spirit to bind to Donna, Carson is breaking her own rules for this one. And Wakan Tanka won't have any part of it, if it doesn't work the spirit will be destroyed, risk all around. Break off a piece of the Astarte Force, good lord, she is risking her own life now. And it is going to hurt Carson to do this, less risky than the dimension the rescued Donna from, so they have a chance. Seeing Carson in that state, I doubt any student who cares for her wouldn't help if they could.
Guide them to Carson's hallow, 20 minutes to separate a piece from her and Carson is that bad of shape, yeouch. Doing all that and Liz pumping healing essence into Donna, and Tenent leaving it to Grimes best judgment, this is going to be harsh.
Create a bubble around the hallow so Kayda can do her work, talk about delicate and risky. Struggling just to get a hold on the hallow and it is too small, expanded after all that and stable, now to get the piece of Astarte Force in her. Have to squeeze it in like that, and they couldn't get it all in, hope it was enough. After all this, it better be enough.
Donna's a lot more stable, but yet she is unstable, great. At least they got her pulse back down to 90, that was close. Now they can start slowly getting the toxin out, way too close, stressful to watch all this. After all that some tea made by Kayda hits the spot, they've done all they can. Please let this work.
They think she is out of danger, looks stable, plus she has a part of the Astarte Force in her now. Telling Donna how she forgot about her and how Lanie and Kayda helped her remember, made her realize she had to try again. And she forgives Liz for forgetting about her, saved her from that pain and saved her life, no better friend can be found. And they are sister, dang, got me tearing up Donna here.
Introducing Kayda to Donna, bwahahaha, not wanting to be called ma'am and teasing Liz about how old she is. Leaving her with Kayda since she has days of paperwork to catch up on, worth it after all this. Clothes from Lanie and Kayda is to talk to Donna about something. Bwahaha, that reaction to Kayda saying she is a lesbian too, Donna would fit in Poe if she was younger.
Taking her to the Gearhead's private workshop because Donna is a gearhead, that would be a dream come true. Ford Model 40 Deluxe, now that is a classic. Seeing Aylss carrying a crankshaft like that for the first time, priceless. That look in Aylss' eyes, wonder if Donna will ask about it sometime later on. And Kayda is right, have to start somewhere to catch up on car technology and other things as well.
And Lanie's Baby Girl is over 600 horsepower, knew she had a lot of power under that hood but hearing it in those terms, *whistles* And seeing what the kids of Whateley can do would be a bit of a shock at least. Oh boy, talking to Donna about that, rape and Donna doesn't think anyone could understand. Revealing that to Donna, getting Donna to open up and join the group that can help her with this, poor girl lived through a literal nightmare for 6-7 months. Kayda was the perfect person to talk to her about this.
Staying so trim while eating like this, one of the reasons some people hate mutants, jealous of that. Introducing her to Maria, talk of arrangements for Donna to stay, plus Maria and Donna checking each other out, Carson knows what she is doing. Maria insisting Donna stay in her spare room so she isn't allow, can see the direction this is going. Teasing her about being a gearhead and checking her out some more, Maria has designs on Carson's best friend and I don't think Liz likes that. Seeing what a mannequin wears and shocked at what girls where nowadays, hehe, talk about shock.
Perfect way to end the story.Maria gawked at the girl, and then beamed as she took Donna's arm. "You know," she said with a grin, "this could be the start of a beautiful friendship."
That was a rollercoaster of emotions, from the frantic prep to get ready to go into the other dimension, to the rush once they found out their time was a lot less than originally believed. The brutal fight in the other dimension, that demon was a true nightmare, plus finding out how much had passed once they returned. Rescuing Donna and then finding out she was dying, the scramble to find a fix, all the work to save her, and now her alive and having to adjust to a world where over 60 years have passed. It was a great story and I hope not the last we see of Donna and her interactions with others at Whateley.
Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked.

- Arcanist Lupus
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Says the boy who has worked with Jobe on several occasions. (Well, maybe not several occasions. But they definitely collaborated on studying the Voodoo Wolves, and I feel like there might have been one or two other times as well.)Jericho wrote: No-one worked with Jobe - for any reason!
Huh. It just occurred to me that Donna's period of absence is pretty much identical to Captain America's (the MCU version at least, don't know about the comics), give or take a year or two at either end.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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But seriously, people work with Jobe from necessity. Willing interactions tend to be few and far between.
- Arcanist Lupus
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Back on topic, do we know what powers Donna had before she entered that place? I can't imagine that she was a baseline.
And what are the chances that she picks up some strange effects above and beyond the mini-Astarte Force she now has?
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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Which puts it Jan 2015.
- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Valentine
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Jericho mentions in one place that Jobe helps him with medical drugs and toxins for Jericho keeping Jobe's medical gear maintained (although that may have been a bluff). I think it was also mentioned that Jobe did the surgery or assisted Jericho with his implants.
I think the problem with bringing Tennyo along would be controlling her. She tends to lose, control isn't the right word, situational awareness, is probably the right term, when in the presence of other dimensional creatures. So while Tennyo would be great in the fight, getting her to return and calm down afterwards might be near impossible. Bringing Jericho's "spiderbots" might have been a good idea though.
Looks like Liz needs to take remedial "Arithnomancy." Interesting to see her bring a lot of fairly dangerous people together to help out. Now the Bad Seeds can recruit Ribbon, although convincing her might take a bit of work. (I wonder if they will get Lady Havoc back to work with the Deidrick's researchers, if Jericho or Harvey could take her headband idea and work out a gadget version...)
Very good story.
Arcanist Lupus wrote: With the Voodoo Wolves contagion, it helped that it was nasty enough that it managed to freak Jobe out. (in a weird, Jobe-like fashion, at least)
Back on topic, do we know what powers Donna had before she entered that place? I can't imagine that she was a baseline.
And what are the chances that she picks up some strange effects above and beyond the mini-Astarte Force she now has?
She was a baseline, the ritual she was attempting was to get her powers.
About that 7 years 4 months; how long is the "portal" open?
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Arcanist Lupus
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Valentine wrote: She was a baseline, the ritual she was attempting was to get her powers.
Well, it was successful... after a fashion.
I'm guessing she won't be giving it a five-star review, though.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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Katssun wrote: "You want me to what?!?" Kayda demanded incredulously. "You said I can't do that!"
"I said you can't do it unless you're supervised," Mrs. Carson shot back to the astounded Lakota girl.
Talk about mixed signals Carson. You're practically asking her to misbehave down the road.
Except Carson already had Kayda attempt it again in Spring/Summer 2007 year. They tried it with Peccary IIRC, unsuccessfully attempting to expand his Hallow so he wouldn't have his spirit distort his physical form. It instead broke his avatar bond, Carson caught the spirit, and Kayda had to rebind it to him.
I believe it was described when Mrs. Franks was asking Kayda to expand Danny's Hallow so Wihinape wouldn't girlify him. Can't recall which story, but it was when she went home for Summer vacation.
One hopes that Nimbus doesn't learn about it, or else he's going to try even harder to recruit Kayda for his dark plans (That is, the avatar stealing plan. She could essentially solo it, possibly teaching him how to do so as well.)
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The most ridiculous one (by that I mean that I feel silly for stopping and thinking about it when it appeared) being that I couldn't help wondering if she had changed her mind about Ayla's gender. I mean here she refers to him as a boy but still "recently" she was using Miss/She/Her to refer to him (For example when she summoned him to ask him to not help Nikki deals with the fictional case against her, which must have been the equivalent of flipping him the bird while at the same time asking for a favor. Something that she may have been made aware at the end of this conversation because she refrained from saying "Miss goodking" and chose to just say Ayla at the end of the scene.)
Maybe I am thinking about this mainly because I was not "here" (and because of the Crash we have not access to the archive of that time) when the choice has been made to shift from the female to the male pronoun to refer to Ayla (Pretty much every characters except Vanessa/Tansy/Jadis, even the external narrators were talking about him as a girl, or in some stories it tended to flip-flop).
The second one being the bits about Ribbon/Havoc/Pinnacle, which were awesome. (and while we are on the subject, can I confess that until now I think I have always read "Pineapple" instead of "Pinnacle", even though Pinnacle is a transparent word and Pineapple/Ananas clearly are not. It goes without saying that I should read the description of his costume again because I am sure that it must be vastly different from what I was picturing.)
Finally Donna's interactions with both Carson and Maria were really sweet. I didn't remember her at the time so it was a nice surprise.
Thanks Elrodw
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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Many questions. Mainly about Donna's future, but also why noone could help Carson after 15 years of searching... Then again, she could have biased her sources, with megavillains like Jettura not being part of her search...
How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*
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Malady wrote: How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*
It's not as obscure as you might think. Remember, magic has provable, repeatable results in this universe and is formally recognized in western law all the way back to CHARLEMAGNE. The historic recognition of magic as REAL go back to Hammurabi, who famously wrote, "Though a man be dead by sword or spell is of no difference to him. He is just as dead."
Magical books and resources are much more common and while there is plenty of hokum, respected universities like MIT and SOCAL Berkley offer courses in magic and magical theory. You are more likely to meet a MAGE than a mutant, in this world.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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- E. E. Nalley
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And they were half right.
It just took Liz a LONG time to figure out what she was trying to do, vs what she actually did. With a healthy gap of forgetting and having kids in there.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Malady wrote: ^^ Well, I have archives, but they're sorted terribly, so yeah... ... How many people know Ayla's preferred pronoun, actually? His condition could easily have others thinking it started from a girl base.
Aura readers who make a practice of it would have a good idea of which pronouns he should prefer.
Telepaths could pick up on his periodic growsing about being a boy (making for loud surface thoughts to block out), while empaths might pick up on the mood shift when he's called "she".
There's probably a devisor with a oddball gadget who's used him as a test case. Because, devisor.
Kids on the magic track might know, if they cared enough to check, or if it affected a tarot reading. etc.
Malady wrote: How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*
If its summoning info was in the Goetia, Mrs. Carson probably would have recognized it. So maybe it was a "friend of a friend" signup program? Someone/something that she thought she could trust and seemed to know more gave her the information?
Then there's the ever popular "What if I take this part, which I think means X, and combine it with this other part, meaning Y ... If I screw up, it just won't do anything, right?" (or, "Hey, y'all! Watch this!")
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
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Malady wrote: Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!
Donna found some information, and then made mistakes in creating the original summoning circle ( Kayda 4 - Now the Real Learning Can Begin, Part 5 )
The furniture - what little there was of it - was pushed aside to make room for a pentagram and a circle that was drawn in the center of the room. I was only just learning western occult magic, but even my limited knowledge was enough to see several gross errors in the design and materials that were used.
It was a one in a million chance that she managed to create a flawed summoning circle that happened to touch the dimension she did at the time that the time-dilation difference allowed contact. No-one could figure out what happened to her because by the time they found the scene, the gateway time was no longer in alignment, and therefore no-one could recreate it, and the notes and pictures were never able to be interpreted. Think of the periodic interphase overlap from "The Tholian Web". Without being able to make contact, it would be natural for most researchers to discount some of her notes as incorrect.
So with only periodic interphases, any successful research into what happened to her would have had to recognize the existence of the interphase, which would then allow the rest of the puzzle to unravel. Mrs. C recognized it ONLY because she'd had to watch Star Trek:TOS to understand Kayda's and Lanie's inside jokes. Once she got THAT into her notes, Elyzia Grimes could see the pattern too.
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Valentine
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Malady wrote: ^^ Well, I have archives, but they're sorted terribly, so yeah... ... How many people know Ayla's preferred pronoun, actually? His condition could easily have others thinking it started from a girl base.
Many questions. Mainly about Donna's future, but also why noone could help Carson after 15 years of searching... Then again, she could have biased her sources, with megavillains like Jettura not being part of her search...
How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*
How many know Ayla's preferred pronouns? TK, and probably the other Poesies he is on good terms with. The Lit Chix (or at least some of them) Addie and likely Alicia and others of Kayda's teammates, every guy that hits on him, although most of them ignore it. His brother and sister and her friends and S/O. A few others in Admin, and Medical, almost certainly Hive and Delarose, His other close friends, Harvey, Jadis, Mal. Nacht probably knows, but uses female pronouns to annoy him. Others may have been told, but forget. Vamp, but she likely does what Nacht does.Some of the Thornies, Fubar.
I'm probably missing some.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Arcanist Lupus
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Hurrah for a well rounded education!elrodw wrote: Mrs. C recognized it ONLY because she'd had to watch Star Trek:TOS to understand Kayda's and Lanie's inside jokes. Once she got THAT into her notes, Elyzia Grimes could see the pattern too.

"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Sir Lee
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7 years and 4 months: or, translating, 88 months. One thinks it might have mystical significance. Or at least, that's what the Unseen University staff would say.
Hmm, a thought. The time disparity is higher than 1 to 75. Maybe it's... 1 to 88? Or... hmmm... month... lunar month? 7 years and 4 months equate to about 90 lunar cycles. Maybe the dimensional barriers weaken only when both this Earth and the other one are, say, in the full moon?
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Back in the Kayda 4 story, I assumed Donna found a dime-novel "Become a Wizard!" book that was printed in the 20s or 30s and yellowed in some Curio Store in Chicago's warrens. Faded pages, flaking ink, etc.elrodw wrote:
Malady wrote: Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!
Donna found some information, and then made mistakes in creating the original summoning circle ( Kayda 4 - Now the Real Learning Can Begin, Part 5 )The furniture - what little there was of it - was pushed aside to make room for a pentagram and a circle that was drawn in the center of the room. I was only just learning western occult magic, but even my limited knowledge was enough to see several gross errors in the design and materials that were used.
It was a one in a million chance that she managed to create a flawed summoning circle that happened to touch the dimension she did at the time that the time-dilation difference allowed contact. No-one could figure out what happened to her because by the time they found the scene, the gateway time was no longer in alignment, and therefore no-one could recreate it, and the notes and pictures were never able to be interpreted.
Her mistakes came from rubbish information in the first place, and the pending disaster grew from there. The book is probably still there, soaking in some poison pool.
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Found two fitting ones:
Something like those, but trashier and more fantasy. "X-ray Glasses" and "Hypnomysterizer!" kind of things.
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Perhaps that's what she did. Possibly augmented with stuff from the public library. In any event, she messed up badly and paid for her mistakes.Katssun wrote:
Back in the Kayda 4 story, I assumed Donna found a dime-novel "Become a Wizard!" book that was printed in the 20s or 30s and yellowed in some Curio Store in Chicago's warrens. Faded pages, flaking ink, etc.elrodw wrote:
Malady wrote: Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!
Donna found some information, and then made mistakes in creating the original summoning circle ( Kayda 4 - Now the Real Learning Can Begin, Part 5 )The furniture - what little there was of it - was pushed aside to make room for a pentagram and a circle that was drawn in the center of the room. I was only just learning western occult magic, but even my limited knowledge was enough to see several gross errors in the design and materials that were used.
It was a one in a million chance that she managed to create a flawed summoning circle that happened to touch the dimension she did at the time that the time-dilation difference allowed contact. No-one could figure out what happened to her because by the time they found the scene, the gateway time was no longer in alignment, and therefore no-one could recreate it, and the notes and pictures were never able to be interpreted.
Her mistakes came from rubbish information in the first place, and the pending disaster grew from there. The book is probably still there, soaking in some poison pool.
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Found two fitting ones:
Something like those, but trashier and more fantasy. "X-ray Glasses" and "Hypnomysterizer!" kind of things.
But she's home now. Finally.
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- Katssun
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And now lives next door to Imp.elrodw wrote: But she's home now. Finally.
Can her sanity take it? Will Maria tell Imp to lay off until she gets adjusted? Will Imp figure that out first? How many Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies characters does she remember?
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Sir Lee wrote: About "Miss Goodkind": that's Ayla's PUBLIC identity. Yes, his documents actually have him as female. When in a formal setting, Carson would use it.
7 years and 4 months: or, translating, 88 months. One thinks it might have mystical significance. Or at least, that's what the Unseen University staff would say.
Hmm, a thought. The time disparity is higher than 1 to 75. Maybe it's... 1 to 88? Or... hmmm... month... lunar month? 7 years and 4 months equate to about 90 lunar cycles. Maybe the dimensional barriers weaken only when both this Earth and the other one are, say, in the full moon?
From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.
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Alternatively, the events immediately prior to the G2Y1 academic year involve a gateway to a different dimension with similar nasties lurking within. If it's another time dilation dimension, even a relatively short hour long battle could mean it's several weeks later when any survivors return, while a day long battle could be months later. Given any survivors would likely need intensive medical treatment, they'd almost certainly have to retire on medical grounds, so there'd be no question of the new Head / Deputy Head having to be displaced.
If only Drunkfu was still contributing to canon (or at least given explicit permission for his characters to be used by others) - one member of staff he introduced (in the Mathematics department, initially given a single class with a single student) could potentially have been useful, given she's known to have coaxed Class X entities into having tea parties and acting as midwife when they spawn...
...then again, if she got it hooked on Ayla's coffee, it would have had another excuse to try and come back when the gateway was next open

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Especially after the "growth spurt" at the end of Ayla and the Mad Scientist Part 22.
- Valentine
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Ayla's gender identity is just as separate from what's in his pants as it is from his overall appearance. The only reason he's legally female is that Grace's neighborhood is on fragile political footing and is surrounded by homophobes who would take the excuse of a boy physically changing against his will as an excuse to destroy the place. Once he turns 18 such fictions will be unnecessary (and Ayla's financial empire will probably be able to handle any problems that might arise), although I doubt he'll make a big deal of it because, as you said, his gender is nobody's business but his own.mhalpern wrote: From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.
True. I guess that I just assumed that a being designed to snack on extra-dimensional entities would be more likely to be able to function in extra-dimensional areas than your average powerset. On the other hand that in itself could be the problem - Tennyo goes out, becomes entirely subsumed by the Star Stalker and loses all sense of self. Caution is definitely called for when dealing with powersets you don't understand.Consider... neither magick, technology, psi, or mutant powers necessarily work the same in extradimensional space. Carson purposely accounts for this by preparing as great a variance as possible in options gearing up. People say "oh, take Tennyo along, she eats that stuff for lunch" ... and so she does, when she is in our dimensional reality. And what happens when Tennyo takes her connection to the Star Stalker and goes into extradimensional space on another world where her mutant abilities don't give her control / anchoring of it? Tennyo might be a powerful weapon for keeping outer dimensional beings out of ours... but that doesn't mean she can roam freely around the dimensions having a snack at will.
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Kristin Darken wrote: Consider... neither magick, technology, psi, or mutant powers necessarily work the same in extradimensional space. Carson purposely accounts for this by preparing as great a variance as possible in options gearing up. People say "oh, take Tennyo along, she eats that stuff for lunch" ... and so she does, when she is in our dimensional reality. And what happens when Tennyo takes her connection to the Star Stalker and goes into extradimensional space on another world where her mutant abilities don't give her control / anchoring of it? Tennyo might be a powerful weapon for keeping outer dimensional beings out of ours... but that doesn't mean she can roam freely around the dimensions having a snack at will.
It also might be like lighting a giant flare and attracting every nasty thing around to come see what's going on.
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With his money he can't claim the cant afford transition excuse so if he legally identifies as male, he would at least be announcing to the world that he is a transgendered mutant, and depending on the state he does it in, he could also be announcing that he is intersexed, Google will be his first impression in many cases, you really think that providing that information would be good for business?Arcanist Lupus wrote:
Ayla's gender identity is just as separate from what's in his pants as it is from his overall appearance. The only reason he's legally female is that Grace's neighborhood is on fragile political footing and is surrounded by homophobes who would take the excuse of a boy physically changing against his will as an excuse to destroy the place. Once he turns 18 such fictions will be unnecessary (and Ayla's financial empire will probably be able to handle any problems that might arise), although I doubt he'll make a big deal of it because, as you said, his gender is nobody's business but his own.mhalpern wrote: From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.
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Also his friends and non-asshole family know how to identify him, from that perspective, it is a good way for him to identify who wants to be more than strictly business with him, as those people will talk to his friends and learn what pronouns to use
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Being slow on the uptake regarding Donna, my initial thoughts for this story were that it might have been from Gen 0 and dealt with that notable event involving Der Schwarze Bär.
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annachie wrote: I suspect one of the final option devices that Lady A had made was a teleport homer to suck Tennyo in to help them.
She would probably use the pocket nuke and teleport home before it got to that point, after which Tennyo would be a moot point regardless of level of success
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elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.
Wait. You didn't think that that was the only pocket nuke on campus, did you? That was just the one they admitted to knowing how to build quickly.
As to why she'd consider the literal nuclear option, IIRC that's come up before with some of the things Josie Gillman and Petra Donner have gotten involved with. How Loophole and Pejuta would be comfortable with that (or maybe they weren't told about that, and that's yet one more reason Mrs. Carson was upset that they didn't leave when ordered to), that would be a good question.
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elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.
I figured she just put a piece of tape over the button and all was good.
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Valentine wrote:
elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.
I figured she just put a piece of tape over the button and all was good.
Nah, just give it to Groot.
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annachie wrote: I suspect one of the final option devices that Lady A had made was a teleport homer to suck Tennyo in to help them.
Depending on where this is on the timeline she could have sicked a tag team of tenro and sara on them. Or just jade.
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NJM1564 wrote:
annachie wrote: I suspect one of the final option devices that Lady A had made was a teleport homer to suck Tennyo in to help them.
Depending on where this is on the timeline she could have sicked a tag team of tenro and sara on them. Or just jade.
G1 Y2, so no on Sara,Tennyo isn't suitable for rescue or recovery missions, and Jade could leave part of herself behind and suffer from that
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Interesting point here:
Bunny, Jobe, Phebes, Koala, Moebius, Hazmat, Eruption, Flashbang, Goodvibes, Fixx, Dredz, Less-than-three, Kew, Keystone, Spark, Techno-Devil, and Slapdash ... all of them were considered among the top-ranking devisors in their respective fields.
Given my focus on the Junior Highs, <3's note is interesting. What's her field??
But the others' presences are notable too.
What is Slapdash there for? Wasn't she mainly a Gearhead? Whoops, it's a 'he' and he's a power armor jockey... Mixed him up with Dashboard??
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Malady wrote: What is Slapdash there for? Wasn't she mainly a Gearhead?
He.
Slapdash is a Grunt, and a Parkour Hooligan. He's Bunker's boyfriend.
He is also a gearhead, and tends to build stable and reliable weaponry that is scary as hell. He built Jericho's Core Ejector in exchange for unstated medical gear. He is also responsible for the most current AEGIS Loader iteration Eldritch currently uses to keep the machinegun fed and firing.
Slappy is an expert on building things that go DAKKADAKKADAKKA!
He's a fair shake with explosives but doesn't have Roulette's mother's special knack for shit that goes boom.
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JG wrote:
Malady wrote: What is Slapdash there for? Wasn't she mainly a Gearhead?
He.
Slapdash is a Grunt, and a Parkour Hooligan. He's Bunker's boyfriend.
He is also a gearhead, and tends to build stable and reliable weaponry that is scary as hell. He built Jericho's Core Ejector in exchange for unstated medical gear. He is also responsible for the most current AEGIS Loader iteration Eldritch currently uses to keep the machinegun fed and firing.
Slappy is an expert on building things that go DAKKADAKKADAKKA!
He's a fair shake with explosives but doesn't have Roulette's mother's special knack for shit that goes boom.
Didn't he build another weapon, that he traded to Jericho before the Core Ejector? Something a bit less lethal.
Speaking of Slappy, which Branch is he headed for?
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Jericho got the concussive rifle from Flashbang.Valentine wrote:
Didn't he build another weapon, that he traded to Jericho before the Core Ejector? Something a bit less lethal.
Speaking of Slappy, which Branch is he headed for?
And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer
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JG wrote: And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer
What? No Mobile Infantry in Whateley's near future?

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images of an extremely brave military cameraman and the urge to know more comes to mind..Ametros wrote:
JG wrote: And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer
What? No Mobile Infantry in Whateley's near future?
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mhalpern wrote:
images of an extremely brave military cameraman and the urge to know more comes to mind..Ametros wrote:
JG wrote: And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer
What? No Mobile Infantry in Whateley's near future?
That is one brave cameraman indeed.
I wonder how he's getting along with Whisper?
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>_< for some reason I picture Mrs. Carson as looking sort of like Oprah Winfrey in one of her skinny periods.
When was the name of her man dropped?
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Ah, now know that happened at least by Kodiak Conspiracy.
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elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.
Well, I am a bit confused on just who built it. Eruption & Fixx (the Underdog that graduated in the spring?) or Fixx (the Underdog Devisor one, Gadgeteer one, Wizard one?) Either one seems a bit odd.
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elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.
Reason she'd consider the option? That's probably what it would take to kill her or Tin Man, and to scatter even the ashes left.
Anyone arguing that suicide is never an option should first consider how long an inventive entity can torture "a high level Avatar and a mid-level Exemplar" without accidentally killing her, and then the mayhem an even more inventive one can create through possession or psychological remodelling.
ALWAYS have an exit strategy.
There are some places you don't leave a person behind, dead or alive.
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