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7 years 11 months ago #1 by DanZilla
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  • A Mrs. Carson story?!? Would we do that? Well, Elrod DID IT...!!! Let us know what you think...
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #2 by Dpragan
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  • Running commentary as I read it:

    MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA We now see Ayla's evil [Coffee] plan come to Fruition!

    Langley Paulson, Hmm, not sure if Liz's paramour's name has been mentioned before now?

    Jericho may not do weapons, but they might want to contact him about armor or are they planning on using REACT armor?

    Somewhere in Extra-Dimensional Space<<<< At this point now, if you ask me they should have included Tennyo, she might be feeling peckish.

    ---I'm also guessing at this point she is looking for an old friend, or her remains?

    Gearhead, hopefully assistant to Donner.....oh Dear Donna and Donner!

    Friendship indeed!

    Finished reading, running commentary finished.

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

    =^+^=
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    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #3 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Wow.

    Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    elrodw wrote: 2 dozen home-made caramel pecan roles that ONE of the stories is so out of left field that NO-ONE will get even close to guessing what it is :evil:

    Champion dies?

    Well, I wasn't anywhere near correct, but I was closer than I had any right to be! The story includes a Force being born from the Astarte Force which was born from the Champion Force, I was at least somewhere in the neighborhood.


    I especially liked the surgery scene. It reminded me a bit of a surgery in The Dragon Doctors . An excellent demonstration of what you can achieve by combining distinct magical and scientific disciplines.

    I shudder at 10 or 20 years of culture shock. 60 years - that's back in 1947. Forget catching up on modern pop culture - she doesn't know who Elvis is! Since she vanished we've been to the moon, developed all manner of computers, participated in several wars, almost completely restructured the political balance of power in the world, and so much more!

    Not to mention the LGBT+ community, of which Maria is a part. (Does anybody wish to join me on the good ship Donna Maria? I feel like there's a good Donna Donna related shipname we could make from the Songbird connection, but I have no idea what it is.)

    Now I have to go dig up what we knew about Donna's disappearance. I have to admit I'd pulled a Carson and completely forgotten about it. :D



    Dpragan wrote: Running commentary as I read it:

    MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA We now see Ayla's evil [Coffee] plan come to Fruition!

    Langley Paulson, Hmm, not sure if Liz's paramour's name has been mentioned before now?

    Jericho may not do weapons, but they might want to contact him about armor or are they planning on using REACT armor?

    Somewhere in Extra-Dimensional Space<<<< At this point now, if you ask me they should have included Tennyo, she might be feeling peckish.

    ---I'm also guessing at this point she is looking for an old friend, or her remains?

    I'm pretty sure Paulson's name has come up before. I can never remember who he is, though.

    Agreed that Tennyo probably would have been a good choice, given her near indestructibility, particular aptitude for demon killing eating and the utter lack of any danger from collateral damage. That said, Carson wasn't originally planning on taking any students, and was running close to a near panic. Forgetting her is an understandable lapse.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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    7 years 11 months ago #4 by Dpragan
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  • True she was rather rushed, still taking Tennyo would save on some of the Crystal Hall food cost. ;)

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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    7 years 11 months ago #5 by Yolandria
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  • The cutest part of the story... Lady Havoc making out with Pinnacle. That was so cute!!!! :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

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    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #6 by Katssun
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  • Yolandria wrote: The cutest part of the story... Lady Havoc making out with Pinnacle. That was so cute!!!! :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

    Do maximum security women's supervillain prisons have "social" visitation rights?

    That, and Ribbon's "secret" is out, she's Rachel's daughter. ;) Baby Havoc might be getting an introduction as soon as Mal blabs to the rest of the Seeds. If Twitch can be in both the Seeds and Wondercute years later, Ribbon can certainly be rushed into Wondercute, but whether they think she's too creepy to stay is yet to be seen! :P

    Jobe and Bugs collaborating on a project. :ohmy: Eruption and Fixx building super-nukes. :silly: Begging Roulette's mom for singularity bombs. :lol:

    How much paperwork is Mrs. Carson going to be filling out for the remainder of the weekend and all of the following week, plus telecons with the trustees explaining herself?

    But this was my favorite part:

    "You want me to what?!?" Kayda demanded incredulously. "You said I can't do that!"

    "I said you can't do it unless you're supervised," Mrs. Carson shot back to the astounded Lakota girl.

    Talk about mixed signals Carson. You're practically asking her to misbehave down the road.

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    Oh crap, I totally forgot!

    Who is Maria's next door neighbor in the village?! Poor Donna is in for a major shock. So is the neighbor in question. Donna is completely immune to pop culture references!
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    7 years 11 months ago #7 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


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    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #8 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Jericho wrote: No-one worked with Jobe - for any reason!

    Says the boy who has worked with Jobe on several occasions. (Well, maybe not several occasions. But they definitely collaborated on studying the Voodoo Wolves, and I feel like there might have been one or two other times as well.)



    Huh. It just occurred to me that Donna's period of absence is pretty much identical to Captain America's (the MCU version at least, don't know about the comics), give or take a year or two at either end.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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    7 years 11 months ago #9 by JG
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  • hehehehehe. Just because Jericho can tune Jobe's Ego out...

    But seriously, people work with Jobe from necessity. Willing interactions tend to be few and far between.
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #10 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • With the Voodoo Wolves contagion, it helped that it was nasty enough that it managed to freak Jobe out. (in a weird, Jobe-like fashion, at least)



    Back on topic, do we know what powers Donna had before she entered that place? I can't imagine that she was a baseline.

    And what are the chances that she picks up some strange effects above and beyond the mini-Astarte Force she now has?

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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    7 years 11 months ago #11 by annachie
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  • I also have to wonder about the 7 years 4 months.

    Which puts it Jan 2015.
    7 years 11 months ago #12 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Which makes it too early to have opened on the Trustees in the tunnels, but late enough that perhaps something got through and has been living there ever since?

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #13 by Valentine
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  • Langley "Tin Man" Paulson He took the class on their first visit to space, where Loophole flew in her own suit. He rescued Loophole after the fight in NYC with Freya. It was hinted at that Mrs. Carson was having an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate with him.

    Jericho mentions in one place that Jobe helps him with medical drugs and toxins for Jericho keeping Jobe's medical gear maintained (although that may have been a bluff). I think it was also mentioned that Jobe did the surgery or assisted Jericho with his implants.

    I think the problem with bringing Tennyo along would be controlling her. She tends to lose, control isn't the right word, situational awareness, is probably the right term, when in the presence of other dimensional creatures. So while Tennyo would be great in the fight, getting her to return and calm down afterwards might be near impossible. Bringing Jericho's "spiderbots" might have been a good idea though.

    Looks like Liz needs to take remedial "Arithnomancy." Interesting to see her bring a lot of fairly dangerous people together to help out. Now the Bad Seeds can recruit Ribbon, although convincing her might take a bit of work. (I wonder if they will get Lady Havoc back to work with the Deidrick's researchers, if Jericho or Harvey could take her headband idea and work out a gadget version...)

    Very good story.

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: With the Voodoo Wolves contagion, it helped that it was nasty enough that it managed to freak Jobe out. (in a weird, Jobe-like fashion, at least)



    Back on topic, do we know what powers Donna had before she entered that place? I can't imagine that she was a baseline.

    And what are the chances that she picks up some strange effects above and beyond the mini-Astarte Force she now has?


    She was a baseline, the ritual she was attempting was to get her powers.

    About that 7 years 4 months; how long is the "portal" open?

    Don't Drick and Drive.
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    7 years 11 months ago #14 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Valentine wrote: She was a baseline, the ritual she was attempting was to get her powers.


    Well, it was successful... after a fashion.

    I'm guessing she won't be giving it a five-star review, though.

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    7 years 11 months ago #15 by Kaitha39
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  • Katssun wrote: "You want me to what?!?" Kayda demanded incredulously. "You said I can't do that!"

    "I said you can't do it unless you're supervised," Mrs. Carson shot back to the astounded Lakota girl.
    Talk about mixed signals Carson. You're practically asking her to misbehave down the road.


    Except Carson already had Kayda attempt it again in Spring/Summer 2007 year. They tried it with Peccary IIRC, unsuccessfully attempting to expand his Hallow so he wouldn't have his spirit distort his physical form. It instead broke his avatar bond, Carson caught the spirit, and Kayda had to rebind it to him.
    I believe it was described when Mrs. Franks was asking Kayda to expand Danny's Hallow so Wihinape wouldn't girlify him. Can't recall which story, but it was when she went home for Summer vacation.

    One hopes that Nimbus doesn't learn about it, or else he's going to try even harder to recruit Kayda for his dark plans (That is, the avatar stealing plan. She could essentially solo it, possibly teaching him how to do so as well.)

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    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #16 by Esar
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  • I feel guilty that what I am taking aways from this story are mostly not about Carson/Donna/Kayda/Loophole ...

    The most ridiculous one (by that I mean that I feel silly for stopping and thinking about it when it appeared) being that I couldn't help wondering if she had changed her mind about Ayla's gender. I mean here she refers to him as a boy but still "recently" she was using Miss/She/Her to refer to him (For example when she summoned him to ask him to not help Nikki deals with the fictional case against her, which must have been the equivalent of flipping him the bird while at the same time asking for a favor. Something that she may have been made aware at the end of this conversation because she refrained from saying "Miss goodking" and chose to just say Ayla at the end of the scene.)

    Maybe I am thinking about this mainly because I was not "here" (and because of the Crash we have not access to the archive of that time) when the choice has been made to shift from the female to the male pronoun to refer to Ayla (Pretty much every characters except Vanessa/Tansy/Jadis, even the external narrators were talking about him as a girl, or in some stories it tended to flip-flop).

    The second one being the bits about Ribbon/Havoc/Pinnacle, which were awesome. (and while we are on the subject, can I confess that until now I think I have always read "Pineapple" instead of "Pinnacle", even though Pinnacle is a transparent word and Pineapple/Ananas clearly are not. It goes without saying that I should read the description of his costume again because I am sure that it must be vastly different from what I was picturing.)

    Finally Donna's interactions with both Carson and Maria were really sweet. I didn't remember her at the time so it was a nice surprise.

    Thanks Elrodw
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    7 years 11 months ago #17 by Valentine
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  • I think that Mrs. Carson refers to Ayla as female in a public setting, after all he presents as a female, uses female restrooms, etc., but she knows that he prefers male pronouns and in private thinks of him that way.

    Don't Drick and Drive.
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  • ^^ Well, I have archives, but they're sorted terribly, so yeah... ... How many people know Ayla's preferred pronoun, actually? His condition could easily have others thinking it started from a girl base.

    Many questions. Mainly about Donna's future, but also why noone could help Carson after 15 years of searching... Then again, she could have biased her sources, with megavillains like Jettura not being part of her search...

    How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*
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    7 years 11 months ago #19 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Malady wrote: How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*


    It's not as obscure as you might think. Remember, magic has provable, repeatable results in this universe and is formally recognized in western law all the way back to CHARLEMAGNE. The historic recognition of magic as REAL go back to Hammurabi, who famously wrote, "Though a man be dead by sword or spell is of no difference to him. He is just as dead."

    Magical books and resources are much more common and while there is plenty of hokum, respected universities like MIT and SOCAL Berkley offer courses in magic and magical theory. You are more likely to meet a MAGE than a mutant, in this world.

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  • Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!
    7 years 11 months ago #21 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Eh, it wasn't so much that what she had was so rare and esoteric, it's just that her mistakes were just THAT bad. Recall from her history most of the people who were in a position to know when showed Donna's notes and sigils felt that either they wouldn't work at all, or she would open a portal to something so horrible and otherworldly she would have been obliterated on the spot.

    And they were half right.

    It just took Liz a LONG time to figure out what she was trying to do, vs what she actually did. With a healthy gap of forgetting and having kids in there.

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    7 years 11 months ago #22 by null0trooper
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  • Malady wrote: ^^ Well, I have archives, but they're sorted terribly, so yeah... ... How many people know Ayla's preferred pronoun, actually? His condition could easily have others thinking it started from a girl base.


    Aura readers who make a practice of it would have a good idea of which pronouns he should prefer.

    Telepaths could pick up on his periodic growsing about being a boy (making for loud surface thoughts to block out), while empaths might pick up on the mood shift when he's called "she".

    There's probably a devisor with a oddball gadget who's used him as a test case. Because, devisor.

    Kids on the magic track might know, if they cared enough to check, or if it affected a tarot reading. etc.

    Malady wrote: How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*


    If its summoning info was in the Goetia, Mrs. Carson probably would have recognized it. So maybe it was a "friend of a friend" signup program? Someone/something that she thought she could trust and seemed to know more gave her the information?

    Then there's the ever popular "What if I take this part, which I think means X, and combine it with this other part, meaning Y ... If I screw up, it just won't do anything, right?" (or, "Hey, y'all! Watch this!")

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  • Malady wrote: Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!


    Donna found some information, and then made mistakes in creating the original summoning circle ( Kayda 4 - Now the Real Learning Can Begin, Part 5 )

    The furniture - what little there was of it - was pushed aside to make room for a pentagram and a circle that was drawn in the center of the room. I was only just learning western occult magic, but even my limited knowledge was enough to see several gross errors in the design and materials that were used.


    It was a one in a million chance that she managed to create a flawed summoning circle that happened to touch the dimension she did at the time that the time-dilation difference allowed contact. No-one could figure out what happened to her because by the time they found the scene, the gateway time was no longer in alignment, and therefore no-one could recreate it, and the notes and pictures were never able to be interpreted. Think of the periodic interphase overlap from "The Tholian Web". Without being able to make contact, it would be natural for most researchers to discount some of her notes as incorrect.

    So with only periodic interphases, any successful research into what happened to her would have had to recognize the existence of the interphase, which would then allow the rest of the puzzle to unravel. Mrs. C recognized it ONLY because she'd had to watch Star Trek:TOS to understand Kayda's and Lanie's inside jokes. Once she got THAT into her notes, Elyzia Grimes could see the pattern too.

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  • Malady wrote: ^^ Well, I have archives, but they're sorted terribly, so yeah... ... How many people know Ayla's preferred pronoun, actually? His condition could easily have others thinking it started from a girl base.

    Many questions. Mainly about Donna's future, but also why noone could help Carson after 15 years of searching... Then again, she could have biased her sources, with megavillains like Jettura not being part of her search...

    How did Donna find something so obscure?? *shrugs*


    How many know Ayla's preferred pronouns? TK, and probably the other Poesies he is on good terms with. The Lit Chix (or at least some of them) Addie and likely Alicia and others of Kayda's teammates, every guy that hits on him, although most of them ignore it. His brother and sister and her friends and S/O. A few others in Admin, and Medical, almost certainly Hive and Delarose, His other close friends, Harvey, Jadis, Mal. Nacht probably knows, but uses female pronouns to annoy him. Others may have been told, but forget. Vamp, but she likely does what Nacht does.Some of the Thornies, Fubar.

    I'm probably missing some.

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  • elrodw wrote: Mrs. C recognized it ONLY because she'd had to watch Star Trek:TOS to understand Kayda's and Lanie's inside jokes. Once she got THAT into her notes, Elyzia Grimes could see the pattern too.

    Hurrah for a well rounded education! :D

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  • About "Miss Goodkind": that's Ayla's PUBLIC identity. Yes, his documents actually have him as female. When in a formal setting, Carson would use it.

    7 years and 4 months: or, translating, 88 months. One thinks it might have mystical significance. Or at least, that's what the Unseen University staff would say.

    Hmm, a thought. The time disparity is higher than 1 to 75. Maybe it's... 1 to 88? Or... hmmm... month... lunar month? 7 years and 4 months equate to about 90 lunar cycles. Maybe the dimensional barriers weaken only when both this Earth and the other one are, say, in the full moon?

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    7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months ago #27 by Katssun
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  • elrodw wrote:

    Malady wrote: Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!


    Donna found some information, and then made mistakes in creating the original summoning circle ( Kayda 4 - Now the Real Learning Can Begin, Part 5 )

    The furniture - what little there was of it - was pushed aside to make room for a pentagram and a circle that was drawn in the center of the room. I was only just learning western occult magic, but even my limited knowledge was enough to see several gross errors in the design and materials that were used.


    It was a one in a million chance that she managed to create a flawed summoning circle that happened to touch the dimension she did at the time that the time-dilation difference allowed contact. No-one could figure out what happened to her because by the time they found the scene, the gateway time was no longer in alignment, and therefore no-one could recreate it, and the notes and pictures were never able to be interpreted.

    Back in the Kayda 4 story, I assumed Donna found a dime-novel "Become a Wizard!" book that was printed in the 20s or 30s and yellowed in some Curio Store in Chicago's warrens. Faded pages, flaking ink, etc.

    Her mistakes came from rubbish information in the first place, and the pending disaster grew from there. The book is probably still there, soaking in some poison pool.

    edit:
    Found two fitting ones:
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    Something like those, but trashier and more fantasy. "X-ray Glasses" and "Hypnomysterizer!" kind of things.
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  • Katssun wrote:

    elrodw wrote:

    Malady wrote: Yeah, mages are more common, but I'm talking about finding how to do something that Carson couldn't make any headway in discovering, for 15 years!


    Donna found some information, and then made mistakes in creating the original summoning circle ( Kayda 4 - Now the Real Learning Can Begin, Part 5 )

    The furniture - what little there was of it - was pushed aside to make room for a pentagram and a circle that was drawn in the center of the room. I was only just learning western occult magic, but even my limited knowledge was enough to see several gross errors in the design and materials that were used.


    It was a one in a million chance that she managed to create a flawed summoning circle that happened to touch the dimension she did at the time that the time-dilation difference allowed contact. No-one could figure out what happened to her because by the time they found the scene, the gateway time was no longer in alignment, and therefore no-one could recreate it, and the notes and pictures were never able to be interpreted.

    Back in the Kayda 4 story, I assumed Donna found a dime-novel "Become a Wizard!" book that was printed in the 20s or 30s and yellowed in some Curio Store in Chicago's warrens. Faded pages, flaking ink, etc.

    Her mistakes came from rubbish information in the first place, and the pending disaster grew from there. The book is probably still there, soaking in some poison pool.

    edit:
    Found two fitting ones:
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    Something like those, but trashier and more fantasy. "X-ray Glasses" and "Hypnomysterizer!" kind of things.

    Perhaps that's what she did. Possibly augmented with stuff from the public library. In any event, she messed up badly and paid for her mistakes.

    But she's home now. Finally.

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  • elrodw wrote: But she's home now. Finally.

    And now lives next door to Imp.

    Can her sanity take it? Will Maria tell Imp to lay off until she gets adjusted? Will Imp figure that out first? How many Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies characters does she remember?
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  • Sir Lee wrote: About "Miss Goodkind": that's Ayla's PUBLIC identity. Yes, his documents actually have him as female. When in a formal setting, Carson would use it.

    7 years and 4 months: or, translating, 88 months. One thinks it might have mystical significance. Or at least, that's what the Unseen University staff would say.

    Hmm, a thought. The time disparity is higher than 1 to 75. Maybe it's... 1 to 88? Or... hmmm... month... lunar month? 7 years and 4 months equate to about 90 lunar cycles. Maybe the dimensional barriers weaken only when both this Earth and the other one are, say, in the full moon?


    From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.

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  • I'm wondering if the "7 years 4 months" was a bit of a miscalculation (after all, Liz did miscalculate the portal's longevity) and it instead opens a bit later.

    Alternatively, the events immediately prior to the G2Y1 academic year involve a gateway to a different dimension with similar nasties lurking within. If it's another time dilation dimension, even a relatively short hour long battle could mean it's several weeks later when any survivors return, while a day long battle could be months later. Given any survivors would likely need intensive medical treatment, they'd almost certainly have to retire on medical grounds, so there'd be no question of the new Head / Deputy Head having to be displaced.

    If only Drunkfu was still contributing to canon (or at least given explicit permission for his characters to be used by others) - one member of staff he introduced (in the Mathematics department, initially given a single class with a single student) could potentially have been useful, given she's known to have coaxed Class X entities into having tea parties and acting as midwife when they spawn...
    ...then again, if she got it hooked on Ayla's coffee, it would have had another excuse to try and come back when the gateway was next open :)

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  • Mhalpern said: From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.

    Especially after the "growth spurt" at the end of Ayla and the Mad Scientist Part 22.
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  • Consider... neither magick, technology, psi, or mutant powers necessarily work the same in extradimensional space. Carson purposely accounts for this by preparing as great a variance as possible in options gearing up. People say "oh, take Tennyo along, she eats that stuff for lunch" ... and so she does, when she is in our dimensional reality. And what happens when Tennyo takes her connection to the Star Stalker and goes into extradimensional space on another world where her mutant abilities don't give her control / anchoring of it? Tennyo might be a powerful weapon for keeping outer dimensional beings out of ours... but that doesn't mean she can roam freely around the dimensions having a snack at will.

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  • mhalpern wrote: From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.

    Ayla's gender identity is just as separate from what's in his pants as it is from his overall appearance. The only reason he's legally female is that Grace's neighborhood is on fragile political footing and is surrounded by homophobes who would take the excuse of a boy physically changing against his will as an excuse to destroy the place. Once he turns 18 such fictions will be unnecessary (and Ayla's financial empire will probably be able to handle any problems that might arise), although I doubt he'll make a big deal of it because, as you said, his gender is nobody's business but his own.

    Consider... neither magick, technology, psi, or mutant powers necessarily work the same in extradimensional space. Carson purposely accounts for this by preparing as great a variance as possible in options gearing up. People say "oh, take Tennyo along, she eats that stuff for lunch" ... and so she does, when she is in our dimensional reality. And what happens when Tennyo takes her connection to the Star Stalker and goes into extradimensional space on another world where her mutant abilities don't give her control / anchoring of it? Tennyo might be a powerful weapon for keeping outer dimensional beings out of ours... but that doesn't mean she can roam freely around the dimensions having a snack at will.

    True. I guess that I just assumed that a being designed to snack on extra-dimensional entities would be more likely to be able to function in extra-dimensional areas than your average powerset. On the other hand that in itself could be the problem - Tennyo goes out, becomes entirely subsumed by the Star Stalker and loses all sense of self. Caution is definitely called for when dealing with powersets you don't understand.

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  • Kristin Darken wrote: Consider... neither magick, technology, psi, or mutant powers necessarily work the same in extradimensional space. Carson purposely accounts for this by preparing as great a variance as possible in options gearing up. People say "oh, take Tennyo along, she eats that stuff for lunch" ... and so she does, when she is in our dimensional reality. And what happens when Tennyo takes her connection to the Star Stalker and goes into extradimensional space on another world where her mutant abilities don't give her control / anchoring of it? Tennyo might be a powerful weapon for keeping outer dimensional beings out of ours... but that doesn't mean she can roam freely around the dimensions having a snack at will.


    It also might be like lighting a giant flare and attracting every nasty thing around to come see what's going on.

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  • let's not forget that Tennyo has been known to emanate lethal forms of radiation when she cuts loose.

    You really don't want to be within viewing distance of an antimatter explosion.
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    mhalpern wrote: From a business perspective, Ayla's documents and public identity identifying him as female actually is a good thing, no one needs to know whats in his pants, and well with that one exception he looks very female.

    Ayla's gender identity is just as separate from what's in his pants as it is from his overall appearance. The only reason he's legally female is that Grace's neighborhood is on fragile political footing and is surrounded by homophobes who would take the excuse of a boy physically changing against his will as an excuse to destroy the place. Once he turns 18 such fictions will be unnecessary (and Ayla's financial empire will probably be able to handle any problems that might arise), although I doubt he'll make a big deal of it because, as you said, his gender is nobody's business but his own.

    .

    With his money he can't claim the cant afford transition excuse so if he legally identifies as male, he would at least be announcing to the world that he is a transgendered mutant, and depending on the state he does it in, he could also be announcing that he is intersexed, Google will be his first impression in many cases, you really think that providing that information would be good for business?

    Also his friends and non-asshole family know how to identify him, from that perspective, it is a good way for him to identify who wants to be more than strictly business with him, as those people will talk to his friends and learn what pronouns to use

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  • Yeah, Tennyo is best "used" as a sentient nuke, for all intents and purposes. In this scenario, her inclusion would be like dropping a MOAB alongside an extraction team. Just a little counterproductive.

    Being slow on the uptake regarding Donna, my initial thoughts for this story were that it might have been from Gen 0 and dealt with that notable event involving Der Schwarze Bär.

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  • annachie wrote: I suspect one of the final option devices that Lady A had made was a teleport homer to suck Tennyo in to help them. :twisted:


    She would probably use the pocket nuke and teleport home before it got to that point, after which Tennyo would be a moot point regardless of level of success

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  • I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.

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  • elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.


    Wait. You didn't think that that was the only pocket nuke on campus, did you? That was just the one they admitted to knowing how to build quickly.

    As to why she'd consider the literal nuclear option, IIRC that's come up before with some of the things Josie Gillman and Petra Donner have gotten involved with. How Loophole and Pejuta would be comfortable with that (or maybe they weren't told about that, and that's yet one more reason Mrs. Carson was upset that they didn't leave when ordered to), that would be a good question.

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  • elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.


    I figured she just put a piece of tape over the button and all was good.

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  • I assumed that the reason that Carson didn't even consider involving Tennyo was that it would have easily dragged the whole of Team Kimba into the affair...
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  • Valentine wrote:

    elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.


    I figured she just put a piece of tape over the button and all was good.


    Nah, just give it to Groot.
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  • annachie wrote: I suspect one of the final option devices that Lady A had made was a teleport homer to suck Tennyo in to help them. :twisted:


    Depending on where this is on the timeline she could have sicked a tag team of tenro and sara on them. Or just jade.
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    annachie wrote: I suspect one of the final option devices that Lady A had made was a teleport homer to suck Tennyo in to help them. :twisted:


    Depending on where this is on the timeline she could have sicked a tag team of tenro and sara on them. Or just jade.


    G1 Y2, so no on Sara,Tennyo isn't suitable for rescue or recovery missions, and Jade could leave part of herself behind and suffer from that

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  • Cool story, 'cause I didn't say it before! Ditto to all the positives!

    Interesting point here:

    Bunny, Jobe, Phebes, Koala, Moebius, Hazmat, Eruption, Flashbang, Goodvibes, Fixx, Dredz, Less-than-three, Kew, Keystone, Spark, Techno-Devil, and Slapdash ... all of them were considered among the top-ranking devisors in their respective fields.


    Given my focus on the Junior Highs, <3's note is interesting. What's her field??

    But the others' presences are notable too.

    What is Slapdash there for? Wasn't she mainly a Gearhead? Whoops, it's a 'he' and he's a power armor jockey... Mixed him up with Dashboard??
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  • Malady wrote: What is Slapdash there for? Wasn't she mainly a Gearhead?


    He.

    Slapdash is a Grunt, and a Parkour Hooligan. He's Bunker's boyfriend.

    He is also a gearhead, and tends to build stable and reliable weaponry that is scary as hell. He built Jericho's Core Ejector in exchange for unstated medical gear. He is also responsible for the most current AEGIS Loader iteration Eldritch currently uses to keep the machinegun fed and firing.

    Slappy is an expert on building things that go DAKKADAKKADAKKA!

    He's a fair shake with explosives but doesn't have Roulette's mother's special knack for shit that goes boom.
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    Malady wrote: What is Slapdash there for? Wasn't she mainly a Gearhead?


    He.

    Slapdash is a Grunt, and a Parkour Hooligan. He's Bunker's boyfriend.

    He is also a gearhead, and tends to build stable and reliable weaponry that is scary as hell. He built Jericho's Core Ejector in exchange for unstated medical gear. He is also responsible for the most current AEGIS Loader iteration Eldritch currently uses to keep the machinegun fed and firing.

    Slappy is an expert on building things that go DAKKADAKKADAKKA!

    He's a fair shake with explosives but doesn't have Roulette's mother's special knack for shit that goes boom.


    Didn't he build another weapon, that he traded to Jericho before the Core Ejector? Something a bit less lethal.

    Speaking of Slappy, which Branch is he headed for?

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    Didn't he build another weapon, that he traded to Jericho before the Core Ejector? Something a bit less lethal.

    Speaking of Slappy, which Branch is he headed for?

    Jericho got the concussive rifle from Flashbang.

    And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer
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  • JG wrote: And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer


    What? No Mobile Infantry in Whateley's near future? :-p

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    JG wrote: And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer


    What? No Mobile Infantry in Whateley's near future? :-p

    images of an extremely brave military cameraman and the urge to know more comes to mind..

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Ametros wrote:

    JG wrote: And Slappy is most likely going Army, i would imagine specializing in Mechanized Infantry/Armorer


    What? No Mobile Infantry in Whateley's near future? :-p

    images of an extremely brave military cameraman and the urge to know more comes to mind..


    That is one brave cameraman indeed.

    I wonder how he's getting along with Whisper?

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  • I'd honestly forgotten about Donna and I wasn't sure what I was thinking Carson was after until the name drop.

    >_< for some reason I picture Mrs. Carson as looking sort of like Oprah Winfrey in one of her skinny periods.

    When was the name of her man dropped?

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  • Pretty sure this is our first confirmation of Langley Paulson being Carson's bedmate.

    Ah, now know that happened at least by Kodiak Conspiracy.

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  • elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.


    Well, I am a bit confused on just who built it. Eruption & Fixx (the Underdog that graduated in the spring?) or Fixx (the Underdog Devisor one, Gadgeteer one, Wizard one?) Either one seems a bit odd.

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  • elrodw wrote: I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more discussion of Carson's little pocket nuke, or the reason she'd even consider such an option, or what the two devisors will or can do with the knowledge they gained, etc, etc.


    Reason she'd consider the option? That's probably what it would take to kill her or Tin Man, and to scatter even the ashes left.

    Anyone arguing that suicide is never an option should first consider how long an inventive entity can torture "a high level Avatar and a mid-level Exemplar" without accidentally killing her, and then the mayhem an even more inventive one can create through possession or psychological remodelling.

    ALWAYS have an exit strategy.

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