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Question To Companions New and Old!
- Yolandria
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Topic Author
Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
- reno
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"Yeah, but loosing doesn't mean we can't still have fun!
Best part of this good story

- Dpragan
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or is that too evil?

In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.
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- Domoviye
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- peter
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"BEDWARMER!!" The screech followed them as Hank abandoned his plan of flying out through the open doors of Poe cottage, and instead made his way for the basement and the rabbit warren of tunnels beneath the school. There were many more places to hide from the wrath of Nikki down in the tunnels and besides, the curves and corners of the tunnels would make it that much harder for Nikki to hit them with any bolts of elfshot she might send their way.
I flashed on every action movie, ever, when I read this. The scene where they run away from the explosion.
A very fun read, but something popped into my head at the end when Jade talked about her playing in the sims with them. Why hasn't Jade tried to recruit her into Wondercute?
Leanne may be Hank's whatever, but she is a self-aware sentient being. Jade attends classes in at least two bodies. Why couldn't Leanne participate in classes? Maybe even in classes separate from Hank, but pertinent to her situation. Tuition is not really an issue. She uses no school resources that she would not use merely as Hank's brownie which seems to already be covered.
Even in BMA she should be sparing as an individual to better be a backup for Hank. She won't learn to best fight to her full abilities by merely being an accessory to him.
And of course I'd love to see her socializing with a few students separate from Hank's circle of friends. Just how independent can she be? That would make for interesting developments.
- Valentine
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OK, I was a bit confused about how big Koehnes and Leanne were. I thought they were closer to Teri-size, than to toddler size. Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.
Peter, Leanne is using more resources than Jinn is. She eats, she is using the bathroom, bathing, probably other things too.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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... That Mother-Daughter chat was sorta weird, what with not getting straight to cutting through the miscommunication, but I guess Tabby wanted a talk anyway? ... *Sorta annoyed at that?*
Translation Issues! More Magic Knowledge! Queens aren't the Super Magic Smarts...
Why does the gluing into a cat suit reminds me of something, but I'm not sure what. I wanna say Tink, but... Ah. A Certain Holiday Season . Not a Whateley Fanfic. Right.
Losing is Fun!
I wonder who Koehnes's originator was... And why does Kodiak know so much about how the bond works? ... His formal titles mention nothing about being related to the West Court... That's just a thing he did 'cause he wanted to instead of because he needed to? Or something?
- Dreamer
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
Hank 6: To Companions, New and Old! comments
Dazed and bruised, Koehnes needs to reign in her bigotry and soon.
Darn, don't hurt Koehnes because it hurts Nikki and Hank doesn't want his friends hurt. That is what Koehnes hit Leanne with, Elfshot, like taser concentrated on a specific area, yikes. And what it indicates for Hank describing it like that, does he share in the injuries of his brownie, I wonder."Koehnes has often encouraged Nikki to return to the 'True Ways', were humans are slaves and entertainment for the Sidhe, nothing more," he admitted.
At least Leanne still wishes to meet everyone after the incident. And the fact Hank has to admonish that she is a brownie, not a doll or dog, so no petting or pawing her shows, really shows the need for lessons on how others should be treated. Leanne considers Lily her mistress, but all this has Lily confused and upset as she runs off, leaving Leanne crying, aww.
Angel having to comfort Lily, Lily thinking Hank wants Nikki because of how Leanne looks, ouch. Thinking she can't compete with Nikki, Angel trying to assure her that Hank wants her, only Lily lashes back with why does Leanne look like Nikki. Thinking Hank has eyes for anyone but her, Lily needs to talk with Hank already about this.
Awww, crying herself to sleep inside Hank's duffle-bag in his wardrobe.
Hank, you just said one of the forbidden expressions that always leads to trouble."Seriously, how much trouble can she get into in Poe?" Hank asked rhetorically.
Ack, this mess can't continue, someone has to get Lily to talk to Hank and soon or it is going to spiral out of control. That boy is a complete moron, saying such a thing when Nikki is in hearing range after what happened with Hank. Great, more detention for Nikki due to displays of anger thanks to idiots saying thinks they shouldn't. And Toni finally points out the elephant in the room, Hank thought of 'wife' and didn't think of Lily.
The teasing of Hank by Toni, now Jade teasing Nikki, oh boy. How to make Nikki angry and quiet in one step. Ouch, reminder for Billie of her Section 33 armband. At least Jade's antics cheered up Billie and Nikki. That was close, almost forgot the gem to disguise their chat. All of Wondercute in the same art class, okay, for once I pity Imp.
"Wait, there's a class that is going to have all of Wondercute in it? Together?" Toni confirmed disbelieving. "You're sure the Administration will let you do that?" "Why wouldn't they?" Jade asked looking hurt. "Destruction of the school? End of the world as we know it? Premature death of the Universe? Little things like that?" Nikki muttered, earning herself a glare from Bunny, her girlfriend and a fellow member of Wondercute with Jade.
Keeping a low profile, and confirmed they are losing to the better Sim teams on purpose as part of it. Seeing Nikki crying because of her friends' concern and doing all this for her, just gets to you.
Make sure Leanne understands the importance of keeping Poe's secret and also let her out of the room while he is gone so she isn't bored, hope she doesn't run into Koehnes in the halls. Stories of Whateley having house elves spreading, nice Harry Potter reference, hehe. Well, she is a brownie Hearthwife, of course she would do those things, especially when bored. Oh boy, Lily seeing Leanne by Hank made her furious as she storms off.
Finally going to see Angel about Lily, Hank is using his head. Perfect fey servant, all these problems because Lily thinks he imagined his perfect housewife, oh brother. Hopefully Lily will listen to the truth from Angel and understand.
Talking to Tabitha about Lily, if her own mom can't get through to Lily we have a much more serious problem. And Tabitha is very well learned, knowing what a Leanen Sidhe is and what they do. Good thing Angel is good at explanations, Tabitha goes to rush off to Lily after hugging Angel in thanks.
Sleeping bag and two duvet covers so she only has to wash those, nice gift for Leanne from Hank. D'oh! Koehnes sleeps in a dimensional pocket to somewhere else that Nikki just keeps in her wardrobe, would have been nice to know sooner. A hammock above the desk, much better than inside the wardrobe. And yikes, poor Ayla rooming with Vamp again. Leanne is a skilled little climber. Needs a teddy bear indeed, too cute. And Hank even got a smaller version of the teddy bear Lily has for Leanne, so sweet. Though if Lily sees that it is going to be trouble right now.
Tabitha leading Lily along and discussing with her about what she did when she first thought she was in love with Lily's father.
Well, that is one way to get her out of her funk."Your father was ever so tall, dark and handsome, and nothing excited the man in him like seeing me in a tight black sneaksuit," she smirked. "Mom!" Lily screeched horrified as her mother gave a throaty laugh.
Ouch, Tabitha trying to prove those things to herself when she was younger. *eyes bug out* Okay, campus whore indeed, sleeping with anyone who'd have her, boy or girl. No wonder she doesn't talk about that part of her past, painful doesn't even cover it. All that and Lily still thinks Hank doesn't want her anymore, *groans*
Lily has to fight her own fears, something all of have to do from time to time. Finally got through to her, wonder how she will react upon hearing Leanne was formed from Hank's idea of a perfect fey servant.Tabitha reaching out, gently wiping the tears away with a thumb. "That's your fear talking Lily, not your heart. Love isn't something you are 'worthy' of, love is something you find and then fight each day of your life to keep. There will be challenges, so many many challenges, never believe otherwise, but love is always worth the fight. It's something that needs to be nurtured and protected. Your job isn't to be 'worthy' of love dear, your job is to find it, protect it, nurture it."
Reading the rules to Leanne since she can't read them herself, like a father with his young daughter. And Lily shows up right then. Awww, Toni taking over so Lily and Hank can have a chat, all the while Leanne wishing to be near Lily as well. It is like they are her parents in her eyes. Toni! No contributing to the delinquency of a brownie minor.
Bwahahahaa! Toni got Leanne to lock Koehnes in the wardrobe, then it degenerates into a discussion by Leanne believing Toni is Nikki's Lady of the Night and what she does for her. The innocence of a simple brownie, getting Nikki red-faced and upset, so funny to watch it all happen. Like a little kid stating things thinking they are fact. All that over simple misunderstandings.
Nikki at the Grove again and Hank saying the Lady of the Night attended to a Sidhe royal's chamber-pot, talk about a huge misunderstanding. Jumping to the wrong conclusions has lead to wars in the past, not surprised it lead to a furious Nikki now. *sighs* Toni wishing to prank Koehnes with Leanne, she just won't quit.
And we finally find something that gets Ayla to laugh out loud."Hank Declan! I'm not talking to you because you allowed your brownie to call me a street walker!"
Oh boy, woken up by an angry Nikki over something Leanne did. Glued into that costume, ouch, my sides. Sorry, but Koehnes deserves more imo for all she has said about humans. Nikki in that outfit, any other guy would have passed out from sudden blood shift at seeing that. And poor Danny caught an eyeful, surprised he is still conscious. *sighs* Figures Toni helped with the prank.
Wait, what! Leanne can use Nikki's household spells unlike Koehnes, that is scary. Leanne in that gi doing Aikido moves is too cute, she has a lot of power for a brownie thanks to the spells Aunghadhail left behind for brownies. Jinn in Cabbit form sparring with Leanne, anyone who filmed that would have a best hit online easy. Poor Hank is never going to have a peaceful night's spell again at this rate.
How can Lily get used to Leanne if she avoids her. The only ones not trying to contain their smirks or laughing outright at what Leanne did to Koehnes are Nikki and Hank, great. Toni needs to stop helping/encouraging Leanne to prank Koehnes, or it is going to ruin Hank and Nikki's friendship. What could have happened to Leanne to cause such a reaction in Hank, has to be something very bad, almost seemed like drowning.
Heh, figures Tabitha lied to Lily about leaving to get her out and talking, sneaky. Boy calling Tabitha a whore like that to her face, ugh. Yikes, saw Lily's dad right after that and flew into a rage, projecting onto him, surprised her smiled after all that. Only man on campus who respected her, no wonder she married him. Slapped in the face by a pissed off Mrs. Carson, yikes, I would sooner try swimming in lava than face that.
Four hours of hearing Tabitha let it all out, Carson has patience like no one else. And helping out Tabitha like that, glad it all worked out. All that and Lily has to rush off after Hank who rushed off to save Leanne, talk about emotional.
Fell into the washing machine and it turned on with her in it, yikes! D'oh! She was washing things inside it the old fashioned way, someone saw it opened and closed it with her inside, scary. Jade angry at Hank since Leanne doesn't know about modern dangers, oh boy. Jade doing that speech, all the while trying to snatch Leanne and take her to be Wondercute's mascot, devious. Leanne is a copy of Lily's super suit, no one let doll-makers ever see that!
Feeling things that happen to Leanne like it happens to him, especially like he is drowning, terrifying after what he went through. Lily holding and hugging Leanne and Hank can feel her hug, whoa. Anything Lily does to Leanne, Hank can feel, even a kiss, oh no. Lily has gotten ideas from that, poor Hank has a new means of being teased by his girlfriend. Well, that got Lily and Leanne closer fast.
"Careful what you wish for," Ayla murmured. "You might just get it."
Tabitha giving Leanne one of her sausages, too cute. Using Leanne like a voodoo doll against Hank all day, poor boy is going to have some strange reactions and teachers are going to wonder what is up with him. This is going to be an interesting day, at least Leanne is finally happy to be with her mistress.
Phantom hugs, kisses, and caresses out of nowhere, Lily, you naughty minx. Leanne can eat almost anything they can, that is different for a Sidhe. Bwahaha, seeing Leanne eating a sausage almost makes two boys swoon. Yeah, can't have her eating with her hands like that, too much innuendo can easily happen.
Ayla wishing to learn from Kodiak all her can about the Leanan Sidhe and how similar it is to the stories, not wishing to risk losing Hank again. Ah, so only a newly created Leanan Sidhe like Leanne is so closely linked to their master, interesting. Darn, so until the bond with Lily is stronger and they have kids, Hank will be in danger if Leanne is. Killing Leanne would kill Hank, this is very bad, have to find a way to protect her.
That is a lot of detail about the Leanan Sidhe, what they did, how they were changed, and how the enemy turned them into a weapon instead of an ally. Most Leanan Sidhe were male, now that is interesting, especially with Hearthwife, but it is a poor translation of the Sidhe name, figures. Hank's subconscious more female than he shows to them, should have known. Whoa, that is a potent form of psychic defense, wonder if it means he is protected, at least partially, from exposure to Class X stuff now.
Interesting way to find out there are different sized toilets in the girl's bathrooms, as well as the boys, plus lower set of shower controls, they thought of variable size when upgrading this place. hehehe, talk about embarrassing, having to talk to Jade about making the smaller toilet more comfortable for Leanne, surprised Hank isn't neon red. Good thing it is Bunny who came in and understands almost immediately.
Ayla, always prepared for anything, and paying for things because it is quicker. Leanne takes baths in the washbasin, well, she is the size of a toddler. Jade and those puppy dog eyes should be registered as weapons, near impossible to resist. And Leanne has learned how to do them almost as well as Jade, we are all in trouble now. Yikes, when you have both Bunny and Ayla annoyed at you over something, best to let them do what they want. And setting up a meeting so Ayla can tell everyone what he learned about Leanan Sidhe.
Leanne sitting in Lily's lap, like a cute toddler in her mommy's lap, someone needs to draw this! *groans* Jade, no trying to seduce Leanne away from Hank. Of boy, the implications hitting Hank as he ask Toni to hit Leanne but nothing serious. Whoa, his PK field automatically goes over Leanne when Hank holds her, good to know.
Curious herself, Lily reached out and poked Leanne, eyes widening in surprise as her fingers meet no resistance and went straight through to jab Leanne. Ayla rolled his eyes as Jade, Nikki, and Toni all sniggered at Lily's shocked expression. "Even his PK field is pussy-whipped," Toni snorted. "Of course it is!" Jade smirked. "There's no kissy-kissy in a bubble!" "Nor anything else either," Nikki sniggered as both Hank and Lily blushed brightest red, Ayla however was studying the brownie carefully, a frown on his face.
Leanne fell asleep in Lily's lap, going to take and tug her into bed, so cute. And Nikki can't understand how Lily got over all that Leanne represents, how can it not upset her. Leanne made from Hank's body and soul, and she's female, Leanne is like Hank would have been had he stayed Hannah, whoa. Explaining to Nikki what Leanne really is despite appearances, that is a huge turning point in all this. Oh Lily, you naughty minx.
Hhhm, Ayla's explanation about what the sim session is seems suspicious to me for some reason. Ooo, nice goggles which Jade and Bunny developed, wondered if someone would find a way to detect Lily when invisible. Ah, is just a training sim, wonder how much Star League Junior had improved since the end of last school year.
Oh, that is cheating Lily, using Leanne in the sims to take down Hank with tickling. Blackmail to adjust Thanksgiving plans to get their families together and not in Washington, even tricked into agreeing to go to a day spa with Lily and their moms. I knew something was up! This whole sim was just so Lily could do that to Hank. And Billie has a point, needs to protect Leanne better than himself, matter of life and death for both him and Leanne.
Jade spying in Nikki and Ayla like that with Jamie Bond, no secrets around that girl. Nikki making amends for her act of anger, wonder what she got. Whoa, Nikki has matured. Ordered something and the dimensions were in inches, not centimeters, yikes. A giant white stuffed lion to replace the one Nikki destroyed in anger, glad to see Jade so happy. Tackled hug Nikki and thanking her, only as a distraction to use the lion to kidnap Leanne, naughty Jade! Poor Leanne terrified by the crazy ride, at least things are all well between Nikki and Jade.
Lily trying to block the white lion with poor Leanne on it with her force fields, only for Leanne to go flying off when it collides with the invisible field. Wait, what! Leanne seems to have the ability to tap into Hank's PK field or at least its flight aspect on her own.
Priceless. Oh no, now Jade has the pixies in Christmas dresses joining in with Leanne. Ah, so that is how she is using the PK field, in a sense, very interesting."I am Supergirl!" Leanne exclaimed, striking a pose and misting slightly before she reappeared in the iconic blue shirt and red skirt.
8 tons, Hank has gotten more powerful, last we heard his tonnage stated it was 5 tons. No chance of accidents with it, so no risk of harming Lily with that little dive. *eyes bug out* Jade is right, Leanne is like the most dangerous brownie around."So Leanne kinda has control of your PK field? All eight tons of it?" Nikki wondered to Hank's rueful nod.
"Yeah, but losing doesn't mean we can't still have fun!" Jade declared joyfully, ignoring the groans of all her teammates.
Fun insight into Hank and Leanne, how Lily and Nikki both reacted to the new addition to their family, how the little brownie is adjusting to life in the modern world, and even what her link to Hank means in various ways. Didn't expect that link to include tapping into Hank's PK field in such a way, flying brownie with all of Hank's power, just don't let Teri try and encourage her into some 'fun'. And the fact she is all the parts of Hank, her female Hannah side, which he suppressed is very interesting. Though I hope Toni doesn't manipulate her into any more pranks on Koehnes, don't like the other brownie but don't wish to see Nikki upset.
Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked.

- peter
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Valentine wrote: Great story, great fun.
Peter, Leanne is using more resources than Jinn is. She eats, she is using the bathroom, bathing, probably other things too.
That was sort of my point. She's already using up resources, but apparently they are considered part of Hank's expenses. So her attending classes would not add anything to the expense.
I guess I'd just like to see her treated as a person rather than some sort of artifact.
- Domoviye
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- Arcanist Lupus
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Valentine wrote: Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.
Yeah. Locking her in her wardrobe isn't too terrible if she in fact has access to an entire dimension pocket. But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.
On the other hand, I don't think I realized before this how seriously racist Koehnes is towards humanity. She'd come off as elitist before, but this was fairly over-the-top. Still, abusive pranking is not an acceptable response. Someone needs to make Toni, Nikki, and Koehnes sit down and talk this out. Preferably with a mediator (probably Ayla) to allow them to have a productive conversation.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Valentine
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Arcanist Lupus wrote:
Valentine wrote: Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.
Yeah. Locking her in her wardrobe isn't too terrible if she in fact has access to an entire dimension pocket. But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.
On the other hand, I don't think I realized before this how seriously racist Koehnes is towards humanity. She'd come off as elitist before, but this was fairly over-the-top. Still, abusive pranking is not an acceptable response. Someone needs to make Toni, Nikki, and Koehnes sit down and talk this out. Preferably with a mediator (probably Ayla) to allow them to have a productive conversation.
I think I would go with Angel or Lanie as moderator. Ayla certainly doesn't want to look like she is siding with Toni or Nikki.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Katssun
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This story had me giggling throughout, but by far the most was when Leanne first accused Toni of being Nikki's Lady of the Night.
Does Tabby ever go home? Between staying a number of days at the beginning of the term, and then when she finds Imp on campus, it seems like she's on site the entire month of September.

- Kettlekorn
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Well, like they say...Katssun wrote: Does Tabby ever go home? Between staying a number of days at the beginning of the term, and then when she finds Imp on campus, it seems like she's on site the entire month of September.
- Phoenix Spiritus
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Kettlekorn wrote: I think Koehones is going to be my favorite typo for this month.
Fixed
And technically, that was an autocorrect error not a typo!

- NJM1564
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.
Depends on how it's glued. If it was glued to her skin then yah very cruel but that doesn't sound like tony. But if its just put on her and its seam is glued close then its not to bad. Just a normal knife or scissors would get her out of it.
- null0trooper
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Arcanist Lupus wrote:
Valentine wrote: Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.
Yeah. Locking her in her wardrobe isn't too terrible if she in fact has access to an entire dimension pocket. But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.
On the other hand, I don't think I realized before this how seriously racist Koehnes is towards humanity. She'd come off as elitist before, but this was fairly over-the-top. Still, abusive pranking is not an acceptable response. Someone needs to make Toni, Nikki, and Koehnes sit down and talk this out. Preferably with a mediator (probably Ayla) to allow them to have a productive conversation.
It could be that we don't see Koehnes' outright contempt for hairless apes until Hank 4:
"And then mistress?" Koehnes asked, appearing beside her, eyes wide in anticipation. "What happens then mistress? Do you lead the Wild Hunt to victory? Do you cut down all the Humans who dare stand against you? Does the Wild Hunt bath in their blood as it was in the glory days?" Koehnes panted excitedly.
Alone in the empty waiting room, Koehnes banished from the room by Nikki when she'd once more demanded her Mistress reveal the end to her 'tale of the slaughter of Humans'.
But even dialling it back by a factor of 10, how long would it take anyone less than a saint to start wanting to get back at the unwelcomed roommate?
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
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- NJM1564
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Kettlekorn wrote: I think Koehones is going to be my favorite typo for this month.
Well, like they say...Katssun wrote: Does Tabby ever go home? Between staying a number of days at the beginning of the term, and then when she finds Imp on campus, it seems like she's on site the entire month of September.
You could also make a joke about not feeding stray/ wild animals.
- Katssun
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So it is Imp's fault! Feeding her stories and drinks...NJM1564 wrote: You could also make a joke about not feeding stray/ wild animals.
- NJM1564
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Katssun wrote:
So it is Imp's fault! Feeding her stories and drinks...NJM1564 wrote: You could also make a joke about not feeding stray/ wild animals.
Imp's ultimate plot if she hadn't joined Whatly. Kidnapping all the furry, pointy eared super heros and becoming a cat lady.
- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Angeldude
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Enjoyed the bit with Cabbit!Jinn and Leanne sparring. (Any J moment is good moment in my eyes.) I wonder if Leanne will get the impression that Jade is Jinn's mistress not knowing their real relation. Less likely but more amusing would be if she noticed Jade's demon mark and came to the wrong conclusion that Tennyo is Jade's mistress.
Come to think of it, Leanne has a psychic connection to Hank and can borrow his PK field. The J-Team also has some form of link in that pain is shared between them and Tennyo, and Jade can borrow Billie's regen.
Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
All ideas free to use. You can probably make better use of them than me.
- Malady
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Angeldude wrote: I'm not entirely certain why Malady thinks it's a Fun story.)
I was noting the connection between "Losing is Fun." and this:
"Yeah, but [losing] doesn't mean we can't still have fun!" Jade declared joyfully,
Even though it isn't a direct statement that "Losing is Fun."...
In any case, we now know what's was going on with Team Kimba's battle in The Gates of the Garden .
- Sir Lee
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With that said... there were issues. None that really breaks the story, but small issues that could have been caught in the proofing stage and dealt with. Besides typos, two spring to mind:
1. Several mentions of Hank's "8-ton" PK field. Previous references had Hank's PK strength in the 5-ton range; Diz is the one wiht 8 tons. Of course, Hank's strength might have grown in the meantime... still, it's a very large increase. If this goes on, he's going to top
2. More seriously, the Jade-PoV scene near the is a bit... muddled. Names of the J-team are used inconsistently, for start -- what appears to be Jamie Bond the Spyspeck is referred to as "Jade." Worse, at one point it appears that Jamie energized the new Kimba doll -- while only Jade-proper has this ability. Nothing that couldn't be worked around, but the scene is a bit confusing.
One thing I found interesting, that is implicit in the narrative but wasn't remarked upon either by the characters or by the readers' comments in this thread, is that Leanne seems to be already starting to bond with Lily (what with calling her "Mistress", modeling her own clothes after whatever Lily is wearing and allowing Lily a kind of access that others don't have), suggesting that Leanne already considers Lily as Hank's "wife." This has implications; the obvious one is that Hank and Lily's relationship is more serious than they may be willing to admit at this point. The less-obvious one is that if Leanne fully bonds with Lily, this would weaken somewhat Hank's bond with Leanne -- which has both good and bad aspects.
Regarding Koehnes' speciesism (and racism): it has been there right from the start. Witness this exchange in what I believe to be Koehnes' first appearance:
A Fistful of Chaka wrote: “Look, Aunghadhail says that having her around will probably help, once word that she’s back starts making the rounds. It would be best to have an at least reliable person in place, once the position-seekers start nosing around.”
“THERE! The QUEEN says that I stay, so now you GO, you—” more stuff that you would never hear on ‘Ballykissangel’. “This is the Queen’s own bedchamber and you can stop cluttering it up with your soiled—”
“Hold it, hold it, hold IT!” I held up a hand. “What’s this about HER room?”
“It’s the Queen’s Own Chamber is what it is!” the runt snapped. “And it’s a SCANDAL at that! That a QUEEN OF THE WEST, who should only have to be kept in an apartment the size of this entire COTTAGE as a punishment, should be confined in a single ROOM! Why, it’s outrageous! But to SHARE this dingy little room with a—”
“With a WHAT?” I cut her off, giving her the ‘don’t GO there’ glare.
“With a mortal…” she answered spitefully.
“Ooohhh…!” I gasped, “She said the ‘M’ word!”
“Honestly, Toni,” Nikki assured me, “she’ll be very helpful, keeping the room tidy. I mean, neither of us is very good about that.”
“Of course you’re not!” Koehnes huffed. “That a QUEEN should be forced to picking up after a—” she glared at me.
“Don’t you have a pot of gold in Ireland that you should be guarding?”
“Don’t you have a cotton field in Alabama that you should be picking?”
- Malady
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Sir Lee wrote: Regarding Koehnes' speciesism (and racism): it has been there right from the start. Witness this exchange in what I believe to be Koehnes' first appearance:
A Fistful of Chaka wrote: “Look, Aunghadhail says that having her around will probably help, once word that she’s back starts making the rounds. It would be best to have an at least reliable person in place, once the position-seekers start nosing around.”
“THERE! The QUEEN says that I stay, so now you GO, you—” more stuff that you would never hear on ‘Ballykissangel’. “This is the Queen’s own bedchamber and you can stop cluttering it up with your soiled—”
“Hold it, hold it, hold IT!” I held up a hand. “What’s this about HER room?”
“It’s the Queen’s Own Chamber is what it is!” the runt snapped. “And it’s a SCANDAL at that! That a QUEEN OF THE WEST, who should only have to be kept in an apartment the size of this entire COTTAGE as a punishment, should be confined in a single ROOM! Why, it’s outrageous! But to SHARE this dingy little room with a—”
“With a WHAT?” I cut her off, giving her the ‘don’t GO there’ glare.
“With a mortal…” she answered spitefully.
“Ooohhh…!” I gasped, “She said the ‘M’ word!”
“Honestly, Toni,” Nikki assured me, “she’ll be very helpful, keeping the room tidy. I mean, neither of us is very good about that.”
“Of course you’re not!” Koehnes huffed. “That a QUEEN should be forced to picking up after a—” she glared at me.
“Don’t you have a pot of gold in Ireland that you should be guarding?”
“Don’t you have a cotton field in Alabama that you should be picking?”
Well, it's not specifically anti-human, as anti-mortal... And that's her start... How often do we see the speci / raci-sm continuing?
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... Hank isn't the first human bearer of a Leanan Sidhe, right?
... So, The Bastard corrupted the Leanan Sidhe with a world spell, like the Sidhe's dead body part destruction spell? While the LS creation spell is a spell made at the time of wanting to give a person a Leanan Sidhe? Or, was there a world spell that Fey just invoked, saying "Make a Leanan Sidhe for this being in marked by this spell"?
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Malady wrote: Well, it's not specifically anti-human, as anti-mortal... And that's her start... How often do we see the speci / raci-sm continuing?
If she's specifically anti-mortal, how does she react to Billie or Sara? On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.
Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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Angeldude wrote: If she's specifically anti-mortal, how does she react to Billie or Sara?
If she's smart: "I'll be shutting up now and hiding behind Mistress"
Angeldude wrote: On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.
IIRC, she's a fairly young three millennia.
However, there's no guarantee that she'll live much longer than Nikki, as even brownies with attenuated connections still have a traceable link back to their master/mistress (So, it makes good sense for Koehnes to have her own little pocket dimension to hide/reside in.)
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Angeldude wrote: On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.
IIRC, she's a fairly young three millennia.
However, there's no guarantee that she'll live much longer than Nikki, as even brownies with attenuated connections still have a traceable link back to their master/mistress (So, it makes good sense for Koehnes to have her own little pocket dimension to hide/reside in.)
In this part, I was referring to Jade with "she". I find it amusing that between the core 6, half of Team Kimba are biologically immortal. Add Koehnes and Leanne and it's more than half. (Biologically immortal means they can't die of natural causes and don't age after a point. They can still be murdered though, but the difficulty of that can vary.)
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Angeldude wrote: In this part, I was referring to Jade with "she". I find it amusing that between the core 6, half of Team Kimba are biologically immortal. Add Koehnes and Leanne and it's more than half. (Biologically immortal means they can't die of natural causes and don't age after a point. They can still be murdered though, but the difficulty of that can vary.)
Ah, yes. I was just having too much fun with the brownies.
Unless she goes completely off the deep end, Jade might well live longer than Nikki (even though Shroud and the rest of the J-Team are even more tightly linked than the brownie-masters.) Until she's fully integrated, she may even have a couple of unique "Get Out of Death" cards to play.
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Angeldude wrote: Enjoyed the bit with Cabbit!Jinn and Leanne sparring.
The bit I just love is Hank's reaction to the sparring...
Talk about responding to the wrong problem!"It'll be fine." Hank vaguely waved a hand at his desk where the brownie and the Cabbit continued sparring. "Both of them can see in the dark."

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It's canon that high regen does NOT equate with immortality. There are specific problems with high regen, Regen Cancer being one of note. It also doesn't say anywhere in the manual that regens can't develop autoimmune diseases. When the enemy is your own body, and your body is resistant to drugs, you have a BIG problem...
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The way I interpreted it was that Jamie used some sort of grabber claw built into to the speaker disk (could be as simple as a few strands of tinsel, string, or wire) to physically pick up the doll and wave it around, no different from what a corporeal human would do with their hand. After she went off screen, she took it to Jade to share memories and be recast into the doll itself so she could animate it properly.Sir Lee wrote: Worse, at one point it appears that Jamie energized the new Kimba doll -- while only Jade-proper has this ability. Nothing that couldn't be worked around, but the scene is a bit confusing.
That, or it was supposed to be a hint that she unlocked a new ability and became about eight thousand times more terrifying.
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Angeldude wrote:
Malady wrote: Well, it's not specifically anti-human, as anti-mortal... And that's her start... How often do we see the speci / raci-sm continuing?
If she's specifically anti-mortal, how does she react to Billie or Sara? On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.
There really isn't any evidence that either Billie or Jade are immortal. Jade is currently "frozen" at her age, but that doesn't mean she isn't "wearing out," and will die of natural causes without ever actually getting older. Billie also may eventually "wear out" and die.
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Valentine wrote:
There really isn't any evidence that either Billie or Jade are immortal. Jade is currently "frozen" at her age, but that doesn't mean she isn't "wearing out," and will die of natural causes without ever actually getting older. Billie also may eventually "wear out" and die.
Billie is either the Star Stalker or the avatar of the Star Stalker. She says (I forget which story now) that the lab boffins don't even think she's human any more. So she is potentially immortal. Jade as her close servant probably has some of that rub off on her. Billie would deny that she's Jade's mistress, but I imagine that if you questioned Jade closely she would insist that Billie is more than her sister. She is in fact Billie's servant.
So, back to Leanne and Hank. Leanne is very tightly bound to Hank, which makes her a combat liability unless they learn to work around it. I actually can't wait to read the stories where they do that. And given the time Lily is spending with Leanne, I'd say that is one shipment we can count on unless one or the other dies.
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Kettlekorn wrote:
The way I interpreted it was that Jamie used some sort of grabber claw built into to the speaker disk (could be as simple as a few strands of tinsel, string, or wire) to physically pick up the doll and wave it around, no different from what a corporeal human would do with their hand. After she went off screen, she took it to Jade to share memories and be recast into the doll itself so she could animate it properly.Sir Lee wrote: Worse, at one point it appears that Jamie energized the new Kimba doll -- while only Jade-proper has this ability. Nothing that couldn't be worked around, but the scene is a bit confusing.
That, or it was supposed to be a hint that she unlocked a new ability and became about eight thousand times more terrifying.
Correct, there isn't any new 'skill' here. All castings of Jade have the same ability to move a set amount of mass, it's just not been shown before that even her spy specks can pick up and move things if they can find a way to hold onto them.
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While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).
Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.
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Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:
While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).
Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.
That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.
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Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.Valentine wrote:
Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:
While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).
Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.
That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.
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Rose Bunny wrote:
Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.Valentine wrote: That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.
Hippy and Alyss aren't PK Supergirls. They are Exemplars. Hank is near the top of the PK Superboy/girls. He's still less than half as strong as the strongest recorded PK Superman. Power Pork
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Valentine wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote:
Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.Valentine wrote: That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.
Hippy and Alyss aren't PK Supergirls. They are Exemplars. Hank is near the top of the PK Superboy/girls. He's still less than half as strong as the strongest recorded PK Superman. Power Pork
I thought we were talking overall strength on campus, regardless of whether it was Exemplar or PK, or a combination of both.
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sam105 wrote: Hank is listed at 5 tons. Comparing his unofficial rating to other official can lead to bad results. Others may also have increased there lift also without it being on there official ratings.
Yes. Hank WAS listed at 5 tons. But Hank was also put as PK-5 not PK-4... the bottom end of the more powerful version of PK, not the high end of PK-4. Had he been tested as lifting 5 tons using PK-4... there was little likelihood of his ability developing further... the evolutionary mechanisms simply wouldn't have been present to grow any further. But considering those physical/mental mechanisms were present, it meant Hank's original tests measuring his ability at 5 tons... was an underperformance either as a result of lack of skill or that he wasn't finished manifesting and growing in to his abilities.
For him to end up lifting 8 tons is a fairly reasonable expectation for a PK-5. There's a possibility that he'll develop it further... but its likely that he'll top out before getting to 9. Or even drop back a little from 8 if he shifts a focus on his development from power to finesse.
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sam105 wrote: I wan not bothered by Hanks increase in power. I may not been a clear as I should have been. There is a reason I am not a writer. I was trying to point out that other peoples ratings may be like Hanks 5 ton official rating. Good when it was made. May of may not be good now.
That is something Ayla as the team's intelligence officer would be quick to point out to them. If we've changed and it's not on the records, do we know who else has changed, and how? Then he'd get busy finding out the answers to those questions.
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Rose Bunny wrote:
Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.Valentine wrote:
Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:
While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).
Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.
That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.
Wyatt still has Hank beat, both in strength and experience.
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Can Nikki fire her, or is her position as handmaiden some sort of magical binding like Leanne to Hank, or an oath, or something similar? It's not looking like anything short of at least the credible threat of being fired will get Koehnes to adjust her attitude. It's not acceptable for a servant to be expressing attitudes as grossly out of line with her employer's positions on important issues like that. Certainly not when said servant is on the job.
Of course, it's also possible that Nikki has just been holding off on telling Koehnes that she needs to shape up because she regards her as something left behind by Aunghadail, and thus not someone she should be trying to change.
And it's further possible that the whole question would have been resolved had we not driven Fey's author out of all interest in writing further Fey stories, and the big hold-up is that nobody currently active knows how the question is slated to resolve.
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It's not a simple problem. Firing Koehnes may be the only solution. She absolutely cannot be allowed to continue to spew her anti-human rhetoric while employed as handmaiden to a queen who intends to lead her people in coexistence with humans.Arcanist Lupus wrote: Even if Nikki can fire her, she probably shouldn't. I don't know how many spirits like Koehnes are out there, but I'm guessing that many of them have similar attitudes. If Nikki is to lead the Sidhe into peaceful coexistence with humans she's going to have to win these people over, not alienate them.
If Nikki cannot persuade Koehnes, and cannot get her to at least shut up about her views, she will sabotage any effort Nikki tries to make in guiding her people on a peaceful path. Why would humans believe she intended to lead the Sidhe to peace with humans with her closest servant spewing venom all the time? And why would the Sidhe believe she was serious in the path she claimed to be advocating when she kept such a servant by her side all the time?
Luckily, Nikki is still in high school, and is potentially immortal. She has, in theory, time to fix things. I don't imagine the Sidhe are going to find another leader who is able to unify them, wants to subjugate humans by force, and is able to convince them they have enough power right now to do the deed any time soon. But I may be not imagining in error.
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Now that Nikki is more self-aware of what she'd been drifting toward, she just has to law down the law about civility, diplomacy, and respect. Nikki can just summon/teleport the brownies for a little talking to whenever she wants. She can also tell Koehnes to stop being a huge racist, especially to her roommate, or that she can expect more glue in the future. If Nikki politely rebukes her enough, she will listen.
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But something that was very common in those stories was the fact that they would never dream of getting into a quarrel or argument with the object of their disdain in front of the people they serve. That would be restricted to the belowstairs area.
By that light Koehnes should be restricting her unsightly behavior to periods when she is out of sight of Nikki. I could easily see a development when she is perfectly correct and polite while in the company of her mistress, but downright vicious when she is not.
And she would never expect Nikki to take sides, either for or against her. That would be presumptuous of Koehnes, expecting the queen to concern herself with the personal matters between her servants.
I know that this goes against material that is already out so this is not the case. Which sort of leads me to wonder when she is behaving in this way. Not her racist behavior, but the fact that she is making such a spectacle of herself in front of the Queen.
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Katssun wrote: Kill her brownie? Isn't that a little extreme?
Now that Nikki is more self-aware of what she'd been drifting toward, she just has to law down the law about civility, diplomacy, and respect. Nikki can just summon/teleport the brownies for a little talking to whenever she wants. She can also tell Koehnes to stop being a huge racist, especially to her roommate, or that she can expect more glue in the future. If Nikki politely rebukes her enough, she will listen.
That would be the ideal solution. It would minimize trauma to all involved parties, and resolve the problem simply and elegantly.
When has anything like that ever happened in the Whateleyverse? I foresee one of a few possibilities.
One, of course, is that Koehnes gets killed off. It's a lazy solution, as would be firing her, but it's a solution.
Two is that Nikki straightens Koehnes out with some polite rebukes. Or impolite rebukes. Not so lazy, and actually probably pretty hard to write convincingly, and also not all that interesting a resolution to a problem that has been building up for a while.
Three is drama. Koehnes gets an action education, where she is forced by circumstances to see humans at their best, being so far beyond the filthy animals she expects that she is forced to recognize how poorly she has been behaving. This is the option that allows room for so much interesting character development and storytelling. The only reason I would expect for us to not see this is just time - too many plates to juggle, not enough active authors to tie up all the loose ends. Since Team Kimba is presently the focus of only a single active author, I would be saddened but not surprised to see this being one of the stories that never gets resolved in story.