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7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #1 by Yolandria
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  • Looks like another installment of Hank's transition. More Gen 1 goodness. Post in the comments below!

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    7 years 8 months ago #2 by reno
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  • "Yeah, but loosing doesn't mean we can't still have fun!


    Best part of this good story :)
    7 years 8 months ago #3 by Dpragan
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  • I so still want to hear when Hank tells Lilly what Kodiak told him to picture, maybe with Nikki overhearing?

    or is that too evil?

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    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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    7 years 8 months ago #4 by Domoviye
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  • Very first impression, I like Leanne, she doesn't fight fair, she just fights to win.
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  • "BEDWARMER!!" The screech followed them as Hank abandoned his plan of flying out through the open doors of Poe cottage, and instead made his way for the basement and the rabbit warren of tunnels beneath the school. There were many more places to hide from the wrath of Nikki down in the tunnels and besides, the curves and corners of the tunnels would make it that much harder for Nikki to hit them with any bolts of elfshot she might send their way.


    I flashed on every action movie, ever, when I read this. The scene where they run away from the explosion.

    A very fun read, but something popped into my head at the end when Jade talked about her playing in the sims with them. Why hasn't Jade tried to recruit her into Wondercute?

    Leanne may be Hank's whatever, but she is a self-aware sentient being. Jade attends classes in at least two bodies. Why couldn't Leanne participate in classes? Maybe even in classes separate from Hank, but pertinent to her situation. Tuition is not really an issue. She uses no school resources that she would not use merely as Hank's brownie which seems to already be covered.

    Even in BMA she should be sparing as an individual to better be a backup for Hank. She won't learn to best fight to her full abilities by merely being an accessory to him.

    And of course I'd love to see her socializing with a few students separate from Hank's circle of friends. Just how independent can she be? That would make for interesting developments.
    7 years 8 months ago #6 by Valentine
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  • Great story, great fun.

    OK, I was a bit confused about how big Koehnes and Leanne were. I thought they were closer to Teri-size, than to toddler size. Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.

    Peter, Leanne is using more resources than Jinn is. She eats, she is using the bathroom, bathing, probably other things too.

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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #7 by Malady
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  • Awww! This was nice!

    ... That Mother-Daughter chat was sorta weird, what with not getting straight to cutting through the miscommunication, but I guess Tabby wanted a talk anyway? ... *Sorta annoyed at that?*

    Translation Issues! More Magic Knowledge! Queens aren't the Super Magic Smarts...

    Why does the gluing into a cat suit reminds me of something, but I'm not sure what. I wanna say Tink, but... Ah. A Certain Holiday Season . Not a Whateley Fanfic. Right.

    Losing is Fun!

    I wonder who Koehnes's originator was... And why does Kodiak know so much about how the bond works? ... His formal titles mention nothing about being related to the West Court... That's just a thing he did 'cause he wanted to instead of because he needed to? Or something?
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    7 years 8 months ago #8 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


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    7 years 8 months ago #9 by peter
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  • Valentine wrote: Great story, great fun.



    Peter, Leanne is using more resources than Jinn is. She eats, she is using the bathroom, bathing, probably other things too.


    That was sort of my point. She's already using up resources, but apparently they are considered part of Hank's expenses. So her attending classes would not add anything to the expense.

    I guess I'd just like to see her treated as a person rather than some sort of artifact.
    7 years 8 months ago #10 by Domoviye
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  • Can't say much as I'm about to head for work, but i just want to say that I want a story purely about Leanne. She's awesome.
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  • Valentine wrote: Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.


    Yeah. Locking her in her wardrobe isn't too terrible if she in fact has access to an entire dimension pocket. But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.

    On the other hand, I don't think I realized before this how seriously racist Koehnes is towards humanity. She'd come off as elitist before, but this was fairly over-the-top. Still, abusive pranking is not an acceptable response. Someone needs to make Toni, Nikki, and Koehnes sit down and talk this out. Preferably with a mediator (probably Ayla) to allow them to have a productive conversation.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
    7 years 8 months ago #12 by Valentine
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Valentine wrote: Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.


    Yeah. Locking her in her wardrobe isn't too terrible if she in fact has access to an entire dimension pocket. But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.

    On the other hand, I don't think I realized before this how seriously racist Koehnes is towards humanity. She'd come off as elitist before, but this was fairly over-the-top. Still, abusive pranking is not an acceptable response. Someone needs to make Toni, Nikki, and Koehnes sit down and talk this out. Preferably with a mediator (probably Ayla) to allow them to have a productive conversation.


    I think I would go with Angel or Lanie as moderator. Ayla certainly doesn't want to look like she is siding with Toni or Nikki.

    Don't Drick and Drive.
    7 years 8 months ago #13 by Katssun
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  • It's worse that Toni has been thinking about the glued-on catsuit for a long time, but just couldn't get at her to do it. Makes me wonder if Toni has been subjected to a lot of Koehnes' casual racism over the months.

    This story had me giggling throughout, but by far the most was when Leanne first accused Toni of being Nikki's Lady of the Night.

    Does Tabby ever go home? Between staying a number of days at the beginning of the term, and then when she finds Imp on campus, it seems like she's on site the entire month of September. ;)
    7 years 8 months ago #14 by Kettlekorn
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  • I think Koehones is going to be my favorite typo for this month. :P

    Katssun wrote: Does Tabby ever go home? Between staying a number of days at the beginning of the term, and then when she finds Imp on campus, it seems like she's on site the entire month of September. ;)

    Well, like they say...

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    7 years 8 months ago #15 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: I think Koehones is going to be my favorite typo for this month. :P


    Fixed

    And technically, that was an autocorrect error not a typo!

    :p
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.


    Depends on how it's glued. If it was glued to her skin then yah very cruel but that doesn't sound like tony. But if its just put on her and its seam is glued close then its not to bad. Just a normal knife or scissors would get her out of it.
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Valentine wrote: Toni did come off as a bit crueler to Koehnes this time around. Glueing Koehnes into a fursuit, and locking her in the wardrobe seems a bit beyond the Ki pokes and reading really boring stuff to her.


    Yeah. Locking her in her wardrobe isn't too terrible if she in fact has access to an entire dimension pocket. But gluing her into a fursuit is pretty cruel.

    On the other hand, I don't think I realized before this how seriously racist Koehnes is towards humanity. She'd come off as elitist before, but this was fairly over-the-top. Still, abusive pranking is not an acceptable response. Someone needs to make Toni, Nikki, and Koehnes sit down and talk this out. Preferably with a mediator (probably Ayla) to allow them to have a productive conversation.


    It could be that we don't see Koehnes' outright contempt for hairless apes until Hank 4:


    "And then mistress?" Koehnes asked, appearing beside her, eyes wide in anticipation. "What happens then mistress? Do you lead the Wild Hunt to victory? Do you cut down all the Humans who dare stand against you? Does the Wild Hunt bath in their blood as it was in the glory days?" Koehnes panted excitedly.

    Alone in the empty waiting room, Koehnes banished from the room by Nikki when she'd once more demanded her Mistress reveal the end to her 'tale of the slaughter of Humans'.


    But even dialling it back by a factor of 10, how long would it take anyone less than a saint to start wanting to get back at the unwelcomed roommate?

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    7 years 8 months ago #18 by NJM1564
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: I think Koehones is going to be my favorite typo for this month. :P

    Katssun wrote: Does Tabby ever go home? Between staying a number of days at the beginning of the term, and then when she finds Imp on campus, it seems like she's on site the entire month of September. ;)

    Well, like they say...


    You could also make a joke about not feeding stray/ wild animals.
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  • NJM1564 wrote: You could also make a joke about not feeding stray/ wild animals.

    So it is Imp's fault! Feeding her stories and drinks...
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  • Katssun wrote:

    NJM1564 wrote: You could also make a joke about not feeding stray/ wild animals.

    So it is Imp's fault! Feeding her stories and drinks...



    Imp's ultimate plot if she hadn't joined Whatly. Kidnapping all the furry, pointy eared super heros and becoming a cat lady.
    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #21 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • Tabby is hanging around because she's still helping out mentoring students, she's just working out a schedule with them and the Sim team, once that's done she'll be going back home and then coming back regularly according to the schedule :)
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  • Definitely a fun story. (Though I'm not entirely certain why Malady thinks it's a Fun story.)

    Enjoyed the bit with Cabbit!Jinn and Leanne sparring. (Any J moment is good moment in my eyes.) I wonder if Leanne will get the impression that Jade is Jinn's mistress not knowing their real relation. Less likely but more amusing would be if she noticed Jade's demon mark and came to the wrong conclusion that Tennyo is Jade's mistress.

    Come to think of it, Leanne has a psychic connection to Hank and can borrow his PK field. The J-Team also has some form of link in that pain is shared between them and Tennyo, and Jade can borrow Billie's regen.

    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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  • Angeldude wrote: I'm not entirely certain why Malady thinks it's a Fun story.)


    I was noting the connection between "Losing is Fun." and this:

    "Yeah, but [losing] doesn't mean we can't still have fun!" Jade declared joyfully,


    Even though it isn't a direct statement that "Losing is Fun."...

    In any case, we now know what's was going on with Team Kimba's battle in The Gates of the Garden .
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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #24 by Sir Lee
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  • I really liked this story. It fleshed out Leanne, it didn't dismiss the issues that her presence causes but dealt with them in an appropriate way.

    With that said... there were issues. None that really breaks the story, but small issues that could have been caught in the proofing stage and dealt with. Besides typos, two spring to mind:
    1. Several mentions of Hank's "8-ton" PK field. Previous references had Hank's PK strength in the 5-ton range; Diz is the one wiht 8 tons. Of course, Hank's strength might have grown in the meantime... still, it's a very large increase. If this goes on, he's going to top Power PorkWrecking Ball by graduation.
    2. More seriously, the Jade-PoV scene near the is a bit... muddled. Names of the J-team are used inconsistently, for start -- what appears to be Jamie Bond the Spyspeck is referred to as "Jade." Worse, at one point it appears that Jamie energized the new Kimba doll -- while only Jade-proper has this ability. Nothing that couldn't be worked around, but the scene is a bit confusing.

    One thing I found interesting, that is implicit in the narrative but wasn't remarked upon either by the characters or by the readers' comments in this thread, is that Leanne seems to be already starting to bond with Lily (what with calling her "Mistress", modeling her own clothes after whatever Lily is wearing and allowing Lily a kind of access that others don't have), suggesting that Leanne already considers Lily as Hank's "wife." This has implications; the obvious one is that Hank and Lily's relationship is more serious than they may be willing to admit at this point. The less-obvious one is that if Leanne fully bonds with Lily, this would weaken somewhat Hank's bond with Leanne -- which has both good and bad aspects.

    Regarding Koehnes' speciesism (and racism): it has been there right from the start. Witness this exchange in what I believe to be Koehnes' first appearance:

    A Fistful of Chaka wrote: “Look, Aunghadhail says that having her around will probably help, once word that she’s back starts making the rounds. It would be best to have an at least reliable person in place, once the position-seekers start nosing around.”

    “THERE! The QUEEN says that I stay, so now you GO, you—” more stuff that you would never hear on ‘Ballykissangel’. “This is the Queen’s own bedchamber and you can stop cluttering it up with your soiled—”

    “Hold it, hold it, hold IT!” I held up a hand. “What’s this about HER room?”

    “It’s the Queen’s Own Chamber is what it is!” the runt snapped. “And it’s a SCANDAL at that! That a QUEEN OF THE WEST, who should only have to be kept in an apartment the size of this entire COTTAGE as a punishment, should be confined in a single ROOM! Why, it’s outrageous! But to SHARE this dingy little room with a—”

    “With a WHAT?” I cut her off, giving her the ‘don’t GO there’ glare.

    “With a mortal…” she answered spitefully.

    “Ooohhh…!” I gasped, “She said the ‘M’ word!”

    “Honestly, Toni,” Nikki assured me, “she’ll be very helpful, keeping the room tidy. I mean, neither of us is very good about that.”

    “Of course you’re not!” Koehnes huffed. “That a QUEEN should be forced to picking up after a—” she glared at me.

    “Don’t you have a pot of gold in Ireland that you should be guarding?”

    “Don’t you have a cotton field in Alabama that you should be picking?”


    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: Regarding Koehnes' speciesism (and racism): it has been there right from the start. Witness this exchange in what I believe to be Koehnes' first appearance:

    A Fistful of Chaka wrote: “Look, Aunghadhail says that having her around will probably help, once word that she’s back starts making the rounds. It would be best to have an at least reliable person in place, once the position-seekers start nosing around.”

    “THERE! The QUEEN says that I stay, so now you GO, you—” more stuff that you would never hear on ‘Ballykissangel’. “This is the Queen’s own bedchamber and you can stop cluttering it up with your soiled—”

    “Hold it, hold it, hold IT!” I held up a hand. “What’s this about HER room?”

    “It’s the Queen’s Own Chamber is what it is!” the runt snapped. “And it’s a SCANDAL at that! That a QUEEN OF THE WEST, who should only have to be kept in an apartment the size of this entire COTTAGE as a punishment, should be confined in a single ROOM! Why, it’s outrageous! But to SHARE this dingy little room with a—”

    “With a WHAT?” I cut her off, giving her the ‘don’t GO there’ glare.

    “With a mortal…” she answered spitefully.

    “Ooohhh…!” I gasped, “She said the ‘M’ word!”

    “Honestly, Toni,” Nikki assured me, “she’ll be very helpful, keeping the room tidy. I mean, neither of us is very good about that.”

    “Of course you’re not!” Koehnes huffed. “That a QUEEN should be forced to picking up after a—” she glared at me.

    “Don’t you have a pot of gold in Ireland that you should be guarding?”

    “Don’t you have a cotton field in Alabama that you should be picking?”


    Well, it's not specifically anti-human, as anti-mortal... And that's her start... How often do we see the speci / raci-sm continuing?

    ...

    ... Hank isn't the first human bearer of a Leanan Sidhe, right?

    ... So, The Bastard corrupted the Leanan Sidhe with a world spell, like the Sidhe's dead body part destruction spell? While the LS creation spell is a spell made at the time of wanting to give a person a Leanan Sidhe? Or, was there a world spell that Fey just invoked, saying "Make a Leanan Sidhe for this being in marked by this spell"?
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  • Malady wrote: Well, it's not specifically anti-human, as anti-mortal... And that's her start... How often do we see the speci / raci-sm continuing?


    If she's specifically anti-mortal, how does she react to Billie or Sara? On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.

    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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  • Angeldude wrote: If she's specifically anti-mortal, how does she react to Billie or Sara?


    If she's smart: "I'll be shutting up now and hiding behind Mistress"


    Angeldude wrote: On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.


    IIRC, she's a fairly young three millennia.

    However, there's no guarantee that she'll live much longer than Nikki, as even brownies with attenuated connections still have a traceable link back to their master/mistress (So, it makes good sense for Koehnes to have her own little pocket dimension to hide/reside in.)

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  • Angeldude wrote: On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.


    IIRC, she's a fairly young three millennia.

    However, there's no guarantee that she'll live much longer than Nikki, as even brownies with attenuated connections still have a traceable link back to their master/mistress (So, it makes good sense for Koehnes to have her own little pocket dimension to hide/reside in.)


    In this part, I was referring to Jade with "she". I find it amusing that between the core 6, half of Team Kimba are biologically immortal. Add Koehnes and Leanne and it's more than half. (Biologically immortal means they can't die of natural causes and don't age after a point. They can still be murdered though, but the difficulty of that can vary.)

    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
    All ideas free to use. You can probably make better use of them than me.
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  • Angeldude wrote: In this part, I was referring to Jade with "she". I find it amusing that between the core 6, half of Team Kimba are biologically immortal. Add Koehnes and Leanne and it's more than half. (Biologically immortal means they can't die of natural causes and don't age after a point. They can still be murdered though, but the difficulty of that can vary.)


    Ah, yes. I was just having too much fun with the brownies.

    Unless she goes completely off the deep end, Jade might well live longer than Nikki (even though Shroud and the rest of the J-Team are even more tightly linked than the brownie-masters.) Until she's fully integrated, she may even have a couple of unique "Get Out of Death" cards to play.

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  • Angeldude wrote: Enjoyed the bit with Cabbit!Jinn and Leanne sparring.


    The bit I just love is Hank's reaction to the sparring...

    "It'll be fine." Hank vaguely waved a hand at his desk where the brownie and the Cabbit continued sparring. "Both of them can see in the dark."

    Talk about responding to the wrong problem! :roflmao:
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  • What i love about Leanne,she's taking an active role in helping her master on the defense front. By sparring with Jinn and using Hank's memories she will be quite formidable in her weight class. Really loved how she handles Koehnes's verbal attacks against her master. Not to mention the butt whoppin in the hallway that followed. Clearly they are in the process of sorting out the brownie pecking order.

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  • Re Jade's potential immortality...

    It's canon that high regen does NOT equate with immortality. There are specific problems with high regen, Regen Cancer being one of note. It also doesn't say anywhere in the manual that regens can't develop autoimmune diseases. When the enemy is your own body, and your body is resistant to drugs, you have a BIG problem...

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  • Sir Lee wrote: Worse, at one point it appears that Jamie energized the new Kimba doll -- while only Jade-proper has this ability. Nothing that couldn't be worked around, but the scene is a bit confusing.

    The way I interpreted it was that Jamie used some sort of grabber claw built into to the speaker disk (could be as simple as a few strands of tinsel, string, or wire) to physically pick up the doll and wave it around, no different from what a corporeal human would do with their hand. After she went off screen, she took it to Jade to share memories and be recast into the doll itself so she could animate it properly.

    That, or it was supposed to be a hint that she unlocked a new ability and became about eight thousand times more terrifying.

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  • Angeldude wrote:

    Malady wrote: Well, it's not specifically anti-human, as anti-mortal... And that's her start... How often do we see the speci / raci-sm continuing?


    If she's specifically anti-mortal, how does she react to Billie or Sara? On top of that does Jade count as immortal? She doesn't age and her regen makes her very difficult to kill so a far as we know, she may live as long as Nikki.


    There really isn't any evidence that either Billie or Jade are immortal. Jade is currently "frozen" at her age, but that doesn't mean she isn't "wearing out," and will die of natural causes without ever actually getting older. Billie also may eventually "wear out" and die.

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  • Valentine wrote:
    There really isn't any evidence that either Billie or Jade are immortal. Jade is currently "frozen" at her age, but that doesn't mean she isn't "wearing out," and will die of natural causes without ever actually getting older. Billie also may eventually "wear out" and die.


    Billie is either the Star Stalker or the avatar of the Star Stalker. She says (I forget which story now) that the lab boffins don't even think she's human any more. So she is potentially immortal. Jade as her close servant probably has some of that rub off on her. Billie would deny that she's Jade's mistress, but I imagine that if you questioned Jade closely she would insist that Billie is more than her sister. She is in fact Billie's servant.

    So, back to Leanne and Hank. Leanne is very tightly bound to Hank, which makes her a combat liability unless they learn to work around it. I actually can't wait to read the stories where they do that. And given the time Lily is spending with Leanne, I'd say that is one shipment we can count on unless one or the other dies.
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  • Kettlekorn wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: Worse, at one point it appears that Jamie energized the new Kimba doll -- while only Jade-proper has this ability. Nothing that couldn't be worked around, but the scene is a bit confusing.

    The way I interpreted it was that Jamie used some sort of grabber claw built into to the speaker disk (could be as simple as a few strands of tinsel, string, or wire) to physically pick up the doll and wave it around, no different from what a corporeal human would do with their hand. After she went off screen, she took it to Jade to share memories and be recast into the doll itself so she could animate it properly.

    That, or it was supposed to be a hint that she unlocked a new ability and became about eight thousand times more terrifying.


    Correct, there isn't any new 'skill' here. All castings of Jade have the same ability to move a set amount of mass, it's just not been shown before that even her spy specks can pick up and move things if they can find a way to hold onto them.
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  • Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:

    While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).

    Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:

    While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).

    Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.


    That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.

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  • Valentine wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:

    While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).

    Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.


    That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.

    Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    Valentine wrote: That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.

    Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.


    Hippy and Alyss aren't PK Supergirls. They are Exemplars. Hank is near the top of the PK Superboy/girls. He's still less than half as strong as the strongest recorded PK Superman. Power Pork

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  • Hank is listed at 5 tons. Comparing his unofficial rating to other official can lead to bad results. Others may also have increased there lift also without it being on there official ratings.
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  • Valentine wrote:

    Rose Bunny wrote:

    Valentine wrote: That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.

    Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.


    Hippy and Alyss aren't PK Supergirls. They are Exemplars. Hank is near the top of the PK Superboy/girls. He's still less than half as strong as the strongest recorded PK Superman. Power Pork


    I thought we were talking overall strength on campus, regardless of whether it was Exemplar or PK, or a combination of both.

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  • sam105 wrote: Hank is listed at 5 tons. Comparing his unofficial rating to other official can lead to bad results. Others may also have increased there lift also without it being on there official ratings.


    Yes. Hank WAS listed at 5 tons. But Hank was also put as PK-5 not PK-4... the bottom end of the more powerful version of PK, not the high end of PK-4. Had he been tested as lifting 5 tons using PK-4... there was little likelihood of his ability developing further... the evolutionary mechanisms simply wouldn't have been present to grow any further. But considering those physical/mental mechanisms were present, it meant Hank's original tests measuring his ability at 5 tons... was an underperformance either as a result of lack of skill or that he wasn't finished manifesting and growing in to his abilities.

    For him to end up lifting 8 tons is a fairly reasonable expectation for a PK-5. There's a possibility that he'll develop it further... but its likely that he'll top out before getting to 9. Or even drop back a little from 8 if he shifts a focus on his development from power to finesse.

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  • I wan not bothered by Hanks increase in power. I may not been a clear as I should have been. There is a reason I am not a writer. I was trying to point out that other peoples ratings may be like Hanks 5 ton official rating. Good when it was made. May of may not be good now.
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  • sam105 wrote: I wan not bothered by Hanks increase in power. I may not been a clear as I should have been. There is a reason I am not a writer. I was trying to point out that other peoples ratings may be like Hanks 5 ton official rating. Good when it was made. May of may not be good now.


    That is something Ayla as the team's intelligence officer would be quick to point out to them. If we've changed and it's not on the records, do we know who else has changed, and how? Then he'd get busy finding out the answers to those questions.
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  • Personally, I'd have Jade slipping reels of nano wire into every one of her devices it would fit into.

    Given her boyfriend, and her puppy dog eyes, ...
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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    Valentine wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Reguarding the strength of Hank's PK field, there is some discussion in the story comments people can read, but to summarise:

    While originally tested at 5 tons, that was still relatively early after Hank's manifestation, there is at least one early reference that Hank's actual strength was still increasing (there was a reason Hank was always fighting Hippy for the weight machines).

    Team Kimba haven't made an issue of it, nor has Hank been retested, but yes his power is now much closer to his final adult range and through his regular use of the weight machines Hank knows what it currently is, though people not on the 'in' with Team Kimba will still be repeating Hank's old 'tested' rating.


    That puts Hank very near the top of the Students at Whateley. Sirrush was at the top at 9 tons, but he graduated. Diz was at 8 tons, that may have went up, She-Beast was a little stronger(?) than Hank, as she could normally max out at just over 5 tons, which she could increase by absorbing energy.

    Hippolyta is still around a 8 ton limit, but might have gone up some due to her workout regimen. Hank does beat out Alyss, who is at about 7 tons, but she obviously has potential to surpass that.


    Wyatt still has Hank beat, both in strength and experience.
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  • Not that I want you to spend too much time on it, but are we ever going to see Wyatt mentoring Hank in the arts of combat? At one time I believe you had him ask Wyatt to mentor him in this area.
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  • One thing that stands out from this story is the problem Nikki is eventually going to have to deal with with Koehnes. Koehnes just is not getting that the very last queen of the Sidhe died a quarter of a billion years ago and her spirit was destroyed somewhat more recently, and the very next queen of the Sidhe disapproves of anti-human bigotry very strongly.

    Can Nikki fire her, or is her position as handmaiden some sort of magical binding like Leanne to Hank, or an oath, or something similar? It's not looking like anything short of at least the credible threat of being fired will get Koehnes to adjust her attitude. It's not acceptable for a servant to be expressing attitudes as grossly out of line with her employer's positions on important issues like that. Certainly not when said servant is on the job.

    Of course, it's also possible that Nikki has just been holding off on telling Koehnes that she needs to shape up because she regards her as something left behind by Aunghadail, and thus not someone she should be trying to change.

    And it's further possible that the whole question would have been resolved had we not driven Fey's author out of all interest in writing further Fey stories, and the big hold-up is that nobody currently active knows how the question is slated to resolve.
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  • Even if Nikki can fire her, she probably shouldn't. I don't know how many spirits like Koehnes are out there, but I'm guessing that many of them have similar attitudes. If Nikki is to lead the Sidhe into peaceful coexistence with humans she's going to have to win these people over, not alienate them.

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Even if Nikki can fire her, she probably shouldn't. I don't know how many spirits like Koehnes are out there, but I'm guessing that many of them have similar attitudes. If Nikki is to lead the Sidhe into peaceful coexistence with humans she's going to have to win these people over, not alienate them.

    It's not a simple problem. Firing Koehnes may be the only solution. She absolutely cannot be allowed to continue to spew her anti-human rhetoric while employed as handmaiden to a queen who intends to lead her people in coexistence with humans.

    If Nikki cannot persuade Koehnes, and cannot get her to at least shut up about her views, she will sabotage any effort Nikki tries to make in guiding her people on a peaceful path. Why would humans believe she intended to lead the Sidhe to peace with humans with her closest servant spewing venom all the time? And why would the Sidhe believe she was serious in the path she claimed to be advocating when she kept such a servant by her side all the time?

    Luckily, Nikki is still in high school, and is potentially immortal. She has, in theory, time to fix things. I don't imagine the Sidhe are going to find another leader who is able to unify them, wants to subjugate humans by force, and is able to convince them they have enough power right now to do the deed any time soon. But I may be not imagining in error.
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  • Nikki cannot fire Koehnes, Aung bound the house elf (for lack of a better term) to the latest inheritor of most or all of her personality. So Nikki must figure out how to bind her not to attack humans. That or she will eventually have to kill the brownie because she simply refuses to accept the new reality and she very possibly could make enemies of people Nikki doesn't want as enemies. As she has enough from having Galahad syndrome almost as bad as any member of the Cape Squad.
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  • Kill her brownie? Isn't that a little extreme?

    Now that Nikki is more self-aware of what she'd been drifting toward, she just has to law down the law about civility, diplomacy, and respect. Nikki can just summon/teleport the brownies for a little talking to whenever she wants. She can also tell Koehnes to stop being a huge racist, especially to her roommate, or that she can expect more glue in the future. If Nikki politely rebukes her enough, she will listen.
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  • Koehnes reminds me of the behavior of some characters in the servant class of Victorian era stories and films. No one had higher standards than a Butler, or the housekeeper, who either one could be the highest ranking servant in the household.

    But something that was very common in those stories was the fact that they would never dream of getting into a quarrel or argument with the object of their disdain in front of the people they serve. That would be restricted to the belowstairs area.

    By that light Koehnes should be restricting her unsightly behavior to periods when she is out of sight of Nikki. I could easily see a development when she is perfectly correct and polite while in the company of her mistress, but downright vicious when she is not.

    And she would never expect Nikki to take sides, either for or against her. That would be presumptuous of Koehnes, expecting the queen to concern herself with the personal matters between her servants.

    I know that this goes against material that is already out so this is not the case. Which sort of leads me to wonder when she is behaving in this way. Not her racist behavior, but the fact that she is making such a spectacle of herself in front of the Queen.
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  • Katssun wrote: Kill her brownie? Isn't that a little extreme?

    Now that Nikki is more self-aware of what she'd been drifting toward, she just has to law down the law about civility, diplomacy, and respect. Nikki can just summon/teleport the brownies for a little talking to whenever she wants. She can also tell Koehnes to stop being a huge racist, especially to her roommate, or that she can expect more glue in the future. If Nikki politely rebukes her enough, she will listen.


    That would be the ideal solution. It would minimize trauma to all involved parties, and resolve the problem simply and elegantly.

    When has anything like that ever happened in the Whateleyverse? I foresee one of a few possibilities.

    One, of course, is that Koehnes gets killed off. It's a lazy solution, as would be firing her, but it's a solution.

    Two is that Nikki straightens Koehnes out with some polite rebukes. Or impolite rebukes. Not so lazy, and actually probably pretty hard to write convincingly, and also not all that interesting a resolution to a problem that has been building up for a while.

    Three is drama. Koehnes gets an action education, where she is forced by circumstances to see humans at their best, being so far beyond the filthy animals she expects that she is forced to recognize how poorly she has been behaving. This is the option that allows room for so much interesting character development and storytelling. The only reason I would expect for us to not see this is just time - too many plates to juggle, not enough active authors to tie up all the loose ends. Since Team Kimba is presently the focus of only a single active author, I would be saddened but not surprised to see this being one of the stories that never gets resolved in story.
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