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- Yolandria
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Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
- Rose Bunny
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High-Priestess of the Order of Spirit-Chan
- Yolandria
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Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
- Rose Bunny
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I meant a baby, but Spirit-Chan would be even better.Yolandria wrote: I'm sure Spirit Chan will come to Poe...
High-Priestess of the Order of Spirit-Chan
- E. E. Nalley
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
- Rose Bunny
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High-Priestess of the Order of Spirit-Chan
- null0trooper
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E. E. Nalley wrote: One of these scenes was originally written three years ago for North To Atlantis. A No Prize to whomever can guess!
Was it Eruption, in the Cafeteria, with the micro-peen?
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
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Madam Prudhomme asking for volunteers to man the French Club's booth, wonder how things will go on International Day with some of the bigoted idiots at Whateley. Hehehe, nice work by Lanie, I would love to go to such an International Day. Eruption taunting Lanie and Tansy, wonder if this is on his own, he has shown his bigoted nature in the past, or if The Witch got to him. Oh boy, actually got Tansy ticked off to slap him and broke a tooth, if not for Lanie holding her back and Lily being there this would have escalated fast.
Oh boy, talking to Carson and all Lily saw was the slap by Tansy, nothing which Eruption said. D'oh! 1000 word report for bringing up a historical president, *sigh* Darn it! Brings up one of Whateley's actual rules for students, one which Eruption broke, and gets it bumped up to 2k words. Ouch, more scared of what might happen to her mother if she found out how Tansy was in the past. Hand-written letter of apology, not the worst punishment but sure sends a message.
Photographs of Marty, poor girl frustrated because she hasn't finished changing physically yet. Immediate Testicular Retraction, on full strength Tramadol and still in pain because of it, yikes. Changed that much, glad to hear she is closer especially since we last heard of her progress. Dang, Dr. Tenant can read what Marty wishes to do and shoots she down for now. Bwahaha, trying to act like she doesn't know about Stephen, and when Marty held up her hands for Dr. Tenant, priceless.
Dr. Tenant is very sneaky with giving advice yet not. Talking to her as if she knows Marty won't wait for her adult life after she graduates from Whateley to try out what she is suggesting. And sounds like time in the hot tub for Marty in the future to help with pain.
Fey coming to Lanie for relationship advice, didn't think I would see Fey blushing like that again. Whoa, working something out with Bunny and Paul like Lanie has with Wyatt and Tansy, no wonder Fey is blushing so much. Ouch, at least Fey apologizes for losing her temper before leaving, don't always get to hear what we wish to hear.
A freshman girl skipping the trail towards Eruption after dental work is done, not exemplar looks and was going to go after her. Yet suddenly forgets about her and moves on, guessing it is The Witch. And she is manipulating him now for sure, get Kayda to research offensive spells.
Marty rooming with Freeze Frame now, interesting. Dang, Marty is going all out with this, purchasing something like that to practice on. And the aftermath of using it, she has a very strong imagination. All those dreams of her future with Stephen, of having his child, having a son who loves her, all those feelings just from imagining what it will be like.
Lanie vomiting like that, morning sickness. Laneth trying to get Lanie to see the truth, no period since summer, and yet Lanie tries to say it is because she is on the pill. Boy, she is deep in denial, even saying she is fine when Grizzly suggest Lanie go see Dr. Tenant. Stubborn doesn't begin to cover it anymore.
Mr. Filbert trying to get the boys of Twain Cottage out and Stephen wishes to speak to a councilor about something. *eyes bug out* Dang, Mr. Filbert is like someone out of action-adventure novels, doing all those things before he retired to be a Cottage House Parent at Whateley. Wishing to help out Marty with her frustration in their relationship, Stephen is like the perfect boyfriend. Meeting with Mrs. Turner, Cat's Luck due to being a probability warper, that explains how she seems to be in the right place at the right time so much.
Exceptions to the dress code for seniors, wonder what those are, sound good with not having to wear the regular uniform. Attacked from a bush by a student who with his armor and rolling into a ball like his namesake is codename Armadillo, sent after Tansy by Eruption, poor scheming.
Huh, how did Eruption set him off like that, sounds like he was helped by The Witch in triggering the poor boy. Kayda reading a book from the library and Tansy concerned about where she got it from, while Merlin rubs against Tansy's leg, getting petted and some bacon. Ah, bribed him with bacon and he helped keep an eye on the TLW last year, yet that is over and Tansy can't help but still give him bacon. Oh boy, Merlin spooked by something, goes to Ms. Grimes and now Kayda has to go with Ms. Grimes and take the book along, glad it was caught quickly.
A book Kayda got from the general magic section in the library and it is something evil, HM is skilled at manipulation. Having to be reminded of the warnings from Mrs. Lodgeman and Grimes about the dangers of offensive shaman magic, all this because of Gunny and Everheart pushing her to use her magic offensively in sims, they need a serious talking to about the dangers of offensive shaman magic themselves. An illusion of taint on the book to trick HM, this is huge, can they use this to finally out HM and stop his evil in Whateley.
Kayda's act can fool those who don't know her well, at least Tansy is willing to go with it for now.
Grimes going to Carson and revealing what happened with the book and Kayda, and they have already guessed who is behind it all. Ms. Hartford brought in as well, and just as I thought using Kayda as bait for HM without her knowledge, permission, or her parent's permission. And now bringing in Tansy to make sure if anyone is messing with Kayda's mind, this plan just gets more complicated by the second.
Mrs. Turner is the perfect adult for Stephen to talk to. Marty saying there is nothing wrong just draws more attention to the problem. Flushed scarlet at the thought of talking to Tabitha about such things, oh boy. Stephen truly loves Marty, so flustered by all this. And Tabitha spelling it all out for Stephen about what Marty is going through as a changeling, nice to have it put in such terms. Tabitha talk with Marty and Falcon chat with Stephen, these will be interesting insights.
Ouch, Lanie thinking everyone she cares about, who cares about her, will be disappointed with her for getting pregnant. Having a breakdown like that, thinking she disappointed her Daddy.
Need that in a plaque somewhere."Calm," whispered Sensei Ito's voice. "Emotions cloud judgement, cloud the senses, only when you are calm, at peace, should you act. See the world for what it is, not what you fear it to be."
Another breath filled her lungs and slowly went out through her nose. She held the case up and opened her eyes. "Well...shit," she whispered.
Bwahaha, that first impression of Falcon. Insisting on Stephen calling him Robert. Fights crime wearing dress tights, bwhahahahaha, ouch, my sides. Awww, the chat was going so well and you cut us off right when it gets interesting.

Reported to Mrs. Horton, who responds "That's Impossible!" about Lanie being pregnant, meaning something on school grounds should prevent that as suspected for so long. Taken to Doyle, tons of tests and embarrassing hospital gown, I would manifest something warmer around me too if possible and go to leave after several hours if they didn't talk to me about what is going on. Not pregnant! Grizzly is pissed about something and tries to storm out but is stopped by Mrs. Horton, what the heck is going on.
Tansy at Kane Hall having to give a report and Lt. Trout is giving her attitude, and Tansy is saved by a called from admin who wants her and says he has interviewed her enough. Trout deserves to be annoyed whenever possible, corrupt little weasel. Picked up by a school van with darkened windows, then Kayda as well, only silenced by a glare from Ms. Hartford. The most remote range, Grimes and Carson already waiting for them there.
Finding out Hekate's Master is trying to turn Kayda, talk about scary. At least Tansy is able to reveal what she overheard now. All this planning to lure out HM, all the risk to Kayda and those around her, hope it works in the end and no one ends up dead, except HM that is. Bringing in Lanie to this, good. Yah, if any of them are HM they are screwed but it is a male student who isn't on the magic track from all the details and clues so far.
*eyes bug out* Never expected that was how students practice healing, very interesting. Nice to see Wyatt learning magic so well. A false pregnancy to scare Lanie and Wyatt into being more careful from now on or she might get pregnant otherwise due to her exemplar nature. Atlantis contraceptive spell but without the ease and comfort portions, Kodiak needs a serious smack-down to teach him humility. Wyatt wishing Circe to be taught the spell so he can learn it from her and cast it on Lanie, Kodiak messed up once again.
Is this part 1 or is this the whole story, no Fin at the end and it feels like it is part one. Interesting start with a lot of questions answered, fooled us into thinking Lanie was pregnant but all thanks to Kodiak, and thank you that Kayda is being watched now and they have a plan to bait and hopefully catch HM. Can't wait to see what happens next.
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- null0trooper
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Dreamer wrote: *eyes bug out* Never expected that was how students practice healing, very interesting. Nice to see Wyatt learning magic so well.
It makes sense: some toolkit spells that do one thing and that one thing well, some techniques that rely on finesse, as well as there being some 'we don't have time to screw around!' healing spells that guzzle mana, but pull the patient together until there's time for finesse. (Unfortunately, I see that last as working by reinforcing the dominant 'pattern': a horrific way to die if the wound is tainted or the problem is regenerator cancer.

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Probably should have spelled that one out. Not so much the spells they use, that makes sense. What they practice on before moving to live patients, the bio-devisor created flesh, tissue, etc. they use is what I never expected and found interesting.null0trooper wrote:
Dreamer wrote: *eyes bug out* Never expected that was how students practice healing, very interesting. Nice to see Wyatt learning magic so well.
It makes sense: some toolkit spells that do one thing and that one thing well, some techniques that rely on finesse, as well as there being some 'we don't have time to screw around!' healing spells that guzzle mana, but pull the patient together until there's time for finesse. (Unfortunately, I see that last as working by reinforcing the dominant 'pattern': a horrific way to die if the wound is tainted or the problem is regenerator cancer.)
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Dreamer wrote: Is this part 1 or is this the whole story, no Fin at the end and it feels like it is part one.
Well, it is labeled part 1.

- Esar
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Regarding the title, I suppose it is alluding to Kodiak "backstabbing" Loophole.
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Dreamer wrote: Is this part 1 or is this the whole story, no Fin at the end and it feels like it is part one.
Well, it is labeled part 1.
*facepalm* maybe I shouldn't wake up and read a story at 4AM. Well, it's too early to talk about what the title could mean then.
Fake second edit : it is not labeled part 1 on my end. not in the title and not at the end.
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I'm guessing this actually means that Clover is the reason HM's might fail with Kayda, and has left him the target of the administration.
After all, Kayda wouldn't be feeding Merlin bacon if it wasn't for the TLW annoying her. Clover (and Pally and Abra) lead Kayda to make nice with Merlin, who is hanging around Kayda when he's not supposed to be, which brings Ms. Grimes around, who sees the Kayda with the book probably a lot earlier than HM's planned that the corruption and temptation would take hold.
If Hekate herself was a freshmen skipping across campus, that eliminates at least one of my suspicions, and increases the likelihood of the other a whole lot more. But she's after Danny too! What a lady-killer that boy is!
The Kodiak sure is a jerk though. Grizzly should tear him apart for that one, putting Lanie through that fear and anxiety.
I do enjoy the innocence and earnestness of Marty and Stephen's romance.
Fey should talk to Chou, but I don't know if she will, considering how things went when the TK crew asked her to leave. Chou would certainly tell Nikki the same thing that Lanie did. Not only does Bunny not like Stalwart that way, she's actually pretty upset that Nikki is even dating him. I seriously doubt Nikki will ask Tansy.
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Heh. I wonder how Buddhism would be different if Buddha had achieved enlightenment the same way Marty did.

"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- OtherEric
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Esar wrote: Fake second edit : it is not labeled part 1 on my end. not in the title and not at the end.
It's a few paragraphs down, after the prologue. So perhaps not as evident as sometimes.
- Valentine
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E. E. Nalley wrote: One of these scenes was originally written three years ago for North To Atlantis. A No Prize to whomever can guess!
Phase is going to sue you.
I guess the scene where Wyatt is learning how to heal.
Don't Drick and Drive.
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... And another failure on the Sims front. You'd think something as important as 'don't push this student to use that sort of magic because it means hyper-dark magic' would be the sort of thing they would be informed about. Or that Kayda would have brought it up, and they would have checked this with Lodgeman and dropped the issue at least. For all his artful work at teaching people Real Life is a bitch (with the occasional cataclysmic hiccup), Bardue seems to let the fact he's Sims Teacher lead him to the idea he can control all the factors, leading to said hiccups...
And the plan to go after Hekate's Master... doesn't think it will work. You don't operate like this without an healthy dose of paranoia, and the heavy interactions with the teachers would point out that corrupting Kayda isn't actually happening.
Also happy to see Marty and Steven's relationship keeps going as smoothly as possible.
And there is Kodiak playing asshat again. Although I remember the speculation was he was pretty much going for the opposite result back when that story happened. And I'd say his gripping about their sex life is rich coming from the one who admitted they were designed to breed troops too (Exalted flashbacks). You, the head honchos from Atlantis, decided to go that way, probably including the heightened libido. Don't you dare pretend to have any sort of high ground after that. I also applaud the way Wyatt handled the second part of the spell here. Helps to set him apart clearly from that bedisde rug, compared to that one other manipulation... Bedisde rug planned that, did he?
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Yes the Kodiak is a Dick, but he's OUR Dick, and he does have a point...

Still no correct guesses on the oldest scene, yet, interesting.

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If HM is Nimbus, then we know he can get around and they need to trap him if possible, if Nimbus is just a red herring then things could be harder, as now we are dealing with someone whom is willing to use Nimbus as a red herring.
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- Sir Lee
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As for the title, I saw the similarity to the title of the old Star Trek episode "Dagger of the Mind" (which itself is a Shakespeare ref, from The Scottish Play) right away. I don't know why it's in French, though.
Also: the campus store sells vibrators, (mis)labeled as "prophylatic teaching aids." Why mislabeled? Well, one could legitimately claim that a static dildo intended use is to teach students in Sex Ed/Health class proper technique in condom deployment. But I very much doubt that vibration would be a requirement. I wonder what other sex-shop fare the campus store carries...
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E. E. Nalley wrote: Yes the Kodiak is a Dick, but he's OUR Dick, and he does have a point...
And Grizzly's still a sucker for it.
E. E. Nalley wrote: Still no correct guesses on the oldest scene, yet, interesting.
Marty in the shower waving goodbye, Martin?
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Unfortunately we don't know enough of the class of 2011, to reliably guess or do we? There may be someone in Absinthe or R&R that she could be, but I am going to say right here it is not Starbright,Sir Lee wrote: The possibles for the fake identity of TWFKAH got slightly reduced: now we know that she is a freshman girl. No complicated stuff involving her disguised as a boy or anything of the sort.
As for the title, I saw the similarity to the title of the old Star Trek episode "Dagger of the Mind" (which itself is a Shakespeare ref, from The Scottish Play) right away. I don't know why it's in French, though.
Also: the campus store sells vibrators, (mis)labeled as "prophylatic teaching aids." Why mislabeled? Well, one could legitimately claim that a static dildo intended use is to teach students in Sex Ed/Health class proper technique in condom deployment. But I very much doubt that vibration would be a requirement. I wonder what other sex-shop fare the campus store carries...
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Sir Lee wrote: The possibles for the fake identity of TWFKAH got slightly reduced: now we know that she is a freshman girl. No complicated stuff involving her disguised as a boy or anything of the sort.
As for the title, I saw the similarity to the title of the old Star Trek episode "Dagger of the Mind" (which itself is a Shakespeare ref, from The Scottish Play) right away. I don't know why it's in French, though.
It's a pun. Tansy's code for the Syndicate is Dague and so both of her code names are French, and it obscured the reference a touch. But, well played, as always, Sir Lee!
Sir Lee wrote: Also: the campus store sells vibrators, (mis)labeled as "prophylatic teaching aids." Why mislabeled? Well, one could legitimately claim that a static dildo intended use is to teach students in Sex Ed/Health class proper technique in condom deployment. But I very much doubt that vibration would be a requirement.
Well, the actual appendage the teaching form is modeled to instruct in the proper application of isn't perfectly still either, so...

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- Malady
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... Cat's Luck... So, there's 7 Luck Warpers on campus. FFFFFFF!
- null0trooper
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Malady wrote: ... Cat's Luck... So, there's 7 Luck Warpers on campus. FFFFFFF!
More than that. Luck and local probabilities going haywire is one of the results, other than hobgoblins, of a magician losing tight control on their essence. Cultural tropes may shape the outcomes somewhat (cows going dry, crop failures, the inexplicable popularity of Justin Bieber, etc.), but things could get weird.
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... Can Gadgs be used to make better magic stuff? Give a Gadg some Myth and Magic knowledge, to get Low-level Artificer?
... Braeburn Report's wipeouts of previous hominids... What's that about?
... Are all humans made to be Five Fold Army? Bases are cannon fodder / infantry?
... Sidhe Stuff allows World Magics, Leyline Manips, etc? Also fortune telling, etc... Basically anything Western Tradition? ... Also combat magic? All of Kayda's combat spells come from Whateley stuff? A.k.a Sidhe-derived stuff?
... Might as well bring this up here: Sidhe Ladies of the Night = Sidhe didn't have plumbing?
- Domoviye
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I like that Kayda is not going to be screwed over and left in the dark. She's in danger but at least she's forewarned.
Lots of goodies and plot stuff to think about. So I'm just going to say this was a great update that nicely moved things ahead and opened up some interesting plotlines for use.
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Malady wrote:
Magic Info Ramble [ Click to expand ] [ Click to hide ]Shaman Magic is derived from Mythos magic, perhaps, or something? 'Cause it seems like Mythos might just be Dark Shaman Magic... ... We haven't gotten big stuff on how Shamanism differs from Sidhe stuff?
... Sidhe Stuff allows World Magics, Leyline Manips, etc? Also fortune telling, etc... Basically anything Western Tradition? ... Also combat magic? All of Kayda's combat spells come from Whateley stuff? A.k.a Sidhe-derived stuff?
On the other hand, Kigatilik was made from a shaman base, so he's part of the natural order, but twisted by The Bastard's perversion of Sidhe magic, so he's outside the natural order that shaman can affect and can then defeat them readily. However, he is weak to traditional baseline magic, and especially Sandra's dual nature since she straddles the line as he does.
Kayda twisting shaman magic into offensive magic is a perversion of the natural order and intention of shamanistic magic, hence Ms. Grimes' threefold return warning. Kayda's offensive magics come from baseline mage spells. Neither Sidhe nor shaman in nature. Sidhe spells and baseline mage spells seem to be the same stuff, just source essence differently. Atlantian magic is weirdly different, but sourced the same way baseline magic does.
Mythos magic seems to be something else entirely. Sourced from GOOs and the like, it is meant to be corruption incarnate. It inherently results in temptation and feeding on itself, the user, or their victims until someone is brought to destruction or insanity. It is unnatural power to the highest order. Sentient in its own way.
- E. E. Nalley
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Now I can take copper and make an electric motor (a spell) but how that spell is powered differs based on my infrastructure (the magical tradition I was taught). So in the United States (shaman) my motor runs on either 120volts at 60hz or 240volts at 60hz, where as Sir Westmont is from the UK (Western Occult Tradition) and so his motor (spell) runs on 230 volts at 50hz.
Its the same copper and the same electricity, just channeled very differently and the wrong 'voltage' or Cycle can destroy the motor, or worse.
That make sense?
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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- null0trooper
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Malady wrote: So, if EX-es are the breeders to make more mutants, then EX-women are intended to be baby factories?
Why not? They're only humans. At least the results have a chance of becoming stronger, tougher, longer-lived (less time wasted training replacements for those that wear out) cannon fodder and servants that are somewhat easier on the eyes than the common ruck and run of the short-lived monkey beasts.
Not only is that a Win-Win situation, but that boosted health and regeneration is awesome when you need a self-maintaining ready source of blood for rituals and other stuff around the house. A few tweaks to the instincts and it will be happy to serve.
Avatars: Mobile hallows for the entities on Our Side. Even better, the spirits can usually fix the defectives and mismatches themselves instead of wasting the time of a Sidhe who could be doing something useful.
[ Center Court: Hm. Spirits bound to these things gain intellect and evolve faster into the more interesting forms. Let's add a little more random walk to the gene cluster and see what happens! We can get any viable metabolism Gaea wants to test out? Score! ]
Gadgeteers: TOYS!
Malady wrote: We haven't gotten big stuff on how Shamanism differs from Sidhe stuff?
My take:
Shamanic rituals are slower, are even more personal than Alchemy, and don't even have to consume essence but can benefit from it because there is a huge amount of leverage in working from the inside of the target's/patient's Self toward the Outside. They can be used to bring people and others together without coercion as the Shaman identifies the obstacles in the way, so they can be worked out or avoided. There are Western mystic traditions that use similar methods. However, the focus is usually presented as being less on the community's health and more on fixing the practitioner. A Qabalist and a Shaman will both tell you that by healing yourself, a portion of the world cannot help but heal as well. A Medicine Man or Woman might caution you that however you go about that, take time to see for yourself whether a given practice "chops wood, carries water".
Turn that around for personal gain, nationalism, your own ideas of "social justice", etc., to harm others needlessly: a portion of the world's soul is corrupted or dies along with your target's. As a direct result, yours cannot help but sicken as well. Then not only does that cycle of events reinforce itself, but the practitioner now sees its own corrupt state as the new norm to strive for.
Mythos magic seems to incorporate science, philosophy, metaphysics, religion - all the things by which reality is distinguished from the not-real, and by which the not-yet becomes an already ... from a completely inhumanly incomprehensible set of perspectives. Just as shamanism alters the practitioner's mind and soul along the lines through which it works, Mythos-related practices cannot help but alter the practitioner similarly. And again, that warped point of view becomes the norm, along the directions toward becoming something else.
Sidhe magic seems straight-up all about imposing one's will on the Universe around oneself. Western traditions are generally comfortable about that, but since the 19th c. some groups have incorporated some of the East's concern with whether one truly is acting in accordance with one's own will, and if so, is that act in accordance with the next higher levels of Being and Will.
Malady wrote: ... Sidhe Stuff allows World Magics, Leyline Manips, etc? Also fortune telling, etc... Basically anything Western Tradition? ... Also combat magic? All of Kayda's combat spells come from Whateley stuff? A.k.a Sidhe-derived stuff?
Geomancer works with the dragon lines, although Eastern traditions usually pay more attention to that than Western traditions do, nowadays.
Kayda's got the spirit-walking and shield spells that are useful in combat. She can also extend some of her perceptions with the aid of spirits, and she does have a magically-enhanced dagger. We likely haven't seen as much of Kayda's most useful intel-gathering and battlefield control workings because they take far longer than the sim crew's fifteen to thirty minute attention span for training future mooks, gladiators, and casualties - so she's being pushed to learn things that she shouldn't.
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Domoviye wrote: Good story.
I like that Kayda is not going to be screwed over and left in the dark. She's in danger but at least she's forewarned.
You do realise you're taunting the fun happy Elrod, don't you...
I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
- Kristin Darken
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Not the first time the Scottish Play has made an appearance in a Whateley Gen 1, year 2 story.E. E. Nalley wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: The possibles for the fake identity of TWFKAH got slightly reduced: now we know that she is a freshman girl. No complicated stuff involving her disguised as a boy or anything of the sort.
As for the title, I saw the similarity to the title of the old Star Trek episode "Dagger of the Mind" (which itself is a Shakespeare ref, from The Scottish Play) right away. I don't know why it's in French, though.
It's a pun. Tansy's code for the Syndicate is Dague and so both of her code names are French, and it obscured the reference a touch. But, well played, as always, Sir Lee!

Nor is it likely to be the last, given that it's in my theatre's season this year (scheduled for early spring), so I'll be knee deep in Highlanders somewhere around Feb or March.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
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- Domoviye
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Astrodragon wrote:
Domoviye wrote: Good story.
I like that Kayda is not going to be screwed over and left in the dark. She's in danger but at least she's forewarned.
You do realise you're taunting the fun happy Elrod, don't you...



Nope, never even thought of that.
- jmhyp
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I doubt Prof Geintz even knows he is Hekate's Master. I suspect that living for 20+ years in a small fish tank would make even the most powerful psionic crazy regardless of how much feigned mobility his mental projection give him. And who would know if there were Class X taint in his body, slowly taking control of the most powerful mind in North America if not the world. A mind that strong could easily have multiple personalities that know nothing of one another. Heck, two or more personas probably can project simultaneously.
And if it is true, and this is the story that finds him out, it explains why there's been no word of Fubar in any 2nd gen story (that I'm aware of).
The only flaw in this is Tansy observing The Don meating with HM and sensing his mind was evil. But that could be explained if the evil Fubar prefers to ride along inside other people's heads instead of projecting an image. She can probably tell the difference between Geintz' projections and sensing an evil mind directly.
- Ametros
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It starts out strong of course with TWFKAH, and only gets more intense, with hints of a resolution to this plotline incoming. On the note of Hekate, I'd be surprised if her assumed name hasn't already been dropped in a story. I'd wager she's in Dickinson or Whitman, as she said she didn't have access to funds yet, and Melville might be a touch too high-visibility for her this time around.
But then the story only gets better from there, with a really powerful scene focusing on Marty, then making a brilliant segue into Lanie's shock, eventually throwing us all for a loop! I notice the story seems to have been in the queue for at least a month, so I can't imagine how much enjoyment certain speculation about her pregnancies has given you.
Not to mention this being timed with revelations from gen 2 in order to give some additional punch. Bravo.
Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
- E. E. Nalley
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The important thing to remember is that we work with flawed/limited narrative perspective a LOT. And most of these kids have serious egos. Of COURSE they think the adults are useless. That doesn't mean the adults actually are. What the students would be surprised to know is all the disasters that the school stopped without the students ever even being aware of them. And are we actually giving you hints about those averted events? Could be... Will you ever hear those stories? Could be...
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As for HM, in 1 or 2 stories there is a big clue to who he is. I don't remember which story'stories.
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Sir Lee wrote: The possibles for the fake identity of TWFKAH got slightly reduced: now we know that she is a freshman girl. No complicated stuff involving her disguised as a boy or anything of the sort.
As for the title, I saw the similarity to the title of the old Star Trek episode "Dagger of the Mind" (which itself is a Shakespeare ref, from The Scottish Play) right away. I don't know why it's in French, though.
It's a pun. Tansy's code for the Syndicate is Dague and so both of her code names are French, and it obscured the reference a touch. But, well played, as always, Sir Lee!
There's one aspect to Tansy's Syndicate codename that I noticed before, as well, though I am not at all sure if it was deliberate: 'dagger' is an old term for 'lesbian', short for the term 'bulldagger', which basically means the same as (and probably arose as a modification of) 'bulldyke' - an ultra-butch lesbian, especially one with a mean streak. Like bulldyke, it was usually a pretty nasty slur, though it was one sometimes reclaimed by the likes of Bobbie Minton (Gladys Bentley), Ma Rainey , and Bessie Smith .
While Tansy is anything but butch, I am kind of wondering if there was some sort of connection. I doubt it, but still...
Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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The direction Tansy's story has taken is remarkable.
Now knowing Tansy's fate as it ties into Lanie, every piece of her tale feels a bit sublime. That added depth has made their adventures so much more meaningful. Tansy's poor mother - only a few years after reawakening, she will lose her daughter. I wonder if/how "Lanie" will reach out to her afterwards.
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
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And Thuban show The Dragon's Den taking their place on Whateley radio, boy how things have changed. The Rejects made up of The Don, Aries, Flicker, and Icer, how the mighty have fallen. Wonder what Nancy is plotting, always have to look out for those who had power and lost it. The Don happy about something, oh boy, that is like a shark looking at a seal when he smiles. Thinking he can get one over on HM, that could get a lot of people hurt or killed in the backlash. Crud, don't tell me he knows TWFKAH is still alive and working with her, The Don can't be that stupid, can he.
The gate to the Bootlegger's Cave works, yay! Weird, why isn't everything there rotted or rusted over by now, mystery there. Ah, so this is where Liam's Folly comes from, named after Lanie's great grandfather who started work on it. And also why it is such a monster, dang, only not finished because prohibition ended and he no longer needed it.
Entropy suspended down in the cave, stranger and stranger, something to do with the location itself or could her great grandfather have been a mutant and done something. Preservation spell, now there is something I could see people paying good money for. Everything about the case involving the false Hekate's death is suspicious, wonder if any of the police are involved or what is going on exactly. Trying to figure out which freshman is Hekate out of almost 200, they have their work cut out for them.
Watching Danny walking alongside Tansy, plotting to use him as her Cat's Paw, The Witch is going to regret this. Thinking she knows how to play Tansy, she has no idea how much Tansy has changed in such a short time. Ugh, figure out how to make her magic stronger so not even Kayda can remove the taint, sickening. Ewww, she is attracted to Danny. Planning to seduce Danny, she is a dead woman at this rate, she has no idea how many girls would tear her apart if they found out.
HM watching Kayda and thinking his plan is working, can't wait to see how he reacts when it is discovered. A compulsion spell to cause one of the bullies to make threats to trigger Kayda, foolish at best. All this plotting and planning, really want to see HM go down.
Hehehe, Laird Hall and Tansy's mom Marissa destroyed in squash in five sets by Ian Parker. Wouldn't have thought he was that athletic myself. 50th wedding anniversary in Venice, Tansy's grandparents on her mom's side sound nice. A formal letter of apology, wonder how many of those Tansy will have to write.
Ayla coming up to the Alpha's Dias for business with Lanie. Whoa, that is a lot of moonshine. 17 million, one hundred thousand dollars for one barrel, I forget how many barrels there were but *whistles in amazement* Irish Rover, very nice name.
Privacy Corner in Crystal Hall, nice bit of history on it and how it got its name. Ouch, awkward conversation between Tansy and Marissa, including mom's guilt of not being around for Tansy.
Dang, brought tears to my eyes. Lesson in subtly from her mother, this will be interesting."Oh, sweetheart," she said, her eyes tearing up. "You don't have to do anything for me to be proud of you...!"
Oh boy, interrogation about how much of what Tansy wrote down were her own words and what her mother's 'suggestions" were. Yikes, most insulting apology Hartford has ever read, that is bad. An insulting, non-apology, boy, her mother knows how to word things well. Yikes, now that is a punishment for such a stunt, should have just written an apology even if she didn't mean it. Never think you can one up Carson or Hartford, have the feeling she is getting off easy.
Yikes, if an exemplar of Tansy's level is hurting her hand writing that much, it would be a nightmare for most. Very interesting about what being in someone's mind is like, wonder if it is like that or similar for most telepaths. Sounds like staying in the mind of someone else for too long could mess with your sense of reality.
Eep, Grizzly watching Tansy as she is let in Lanie's mind, scary. *eyes bug out* Okay, that was scary, Grizzly pulled into Tansy for a moment, talk about traumatic. D'oh! Tansy just revealed Jade's big secret to Lanie, hope it doesn't get leaked to anyone else somehow. *shudders* What kind of memory is this from Lanie, did she loss a friend that young. Ouch, all those hopes and thinking she would never have friends because something would always happen, what kind of pain has Lanie been carrying he never knew of before.
Afraid because of what happened with Maggie and Maria, fearing she will lose Wyatt, Tansy, Kayda, everyone she cares for. So glad she has Tansy in her life. 6-7 years old and afraid of her bisexuality and the trouble it could cause her dad, because a young man, LGBT, was beaten by a pair of bigots and her father came to his rescue, shooting one of them in self-defense. And a new district attorney out to make a name for himself, ugh.
James Hopper lied to make a name for himself, if not for Lanie's first patent they would still be paying their debt to the lawyers, hate those who ruin others lives to make names for themselves. As much as Kayda and Lanie need each other, Tansy and Lanie truly belong together.
Kayda trying to do dark magic while Ms. Grimes and Mrs. Carson monitor her, having trouble and Wakan Tanka chiding them on putting 'her' Ptesanwi at risk. Way to go Carson, standing up to Wakan Tanka like that, time someone did. In Dream Space, Lanie and Deb also there, trying to create the illusion of dark magic without actually performing it, no wonder it is so draining.
Kayda is determined and stubborn, in ways that Wakan Tanka is going to find more and more annoying. Nice Yoda reference.
Bwahahaha. Finally, Carson makes her point even if Wakan Tanka doesn't like, no one likes having to put Kayda or her friends at risk. The threat is too great not to.The Lakota girl grinned and chuckled. "Why Master Yoda, you've gotten taller! And you've grown a big pair..."
Dang, Debra is a genius, using a 'killed' thread, like in vaccinations, wonder why someone else didn't think of this sooner. Ms. Grimes casting the spell so they can harvest a thread, hope this works and doesn't leave Grimes in bad shape. Visual tapestry of magic, wonder how many students would be so quick to rush into learning magic without the proper steps if they saw that thing.
Lanie and Deb struggling to hold the spell thread, just how strong in the Dream Space is this thing. A spell from Carson and Kayda to hold it, then kill it without destroying it, at least Grimes confirms they can study it to make inert replicas. Fighting one of those each would have been too much. All this and more work for Kayda, hopefully after HM is taken down she can catch a break for once on all this training.
Stephen sneaking out of his dorm room, leaving his roommate Steve 'Mechano-Man' Tupolo asleep. Whateley Dark Web, why does that sound bad. And yup, offering all those kind of services right there at Whateley, very bad imo. Moderator Deep CORE, curious who that could be, not another alias of Hartford I hope. The Love Nest, interesting little secret legacy of Twain Cottage, very interesting history behind it and the set-up as well.
Marty has a surprise for Stephen and is going to reveal it here, dang, girl is gutsy. Making out and stripping their clothes off at the same time, eager kids. *eyes bug out* Stephen, just what do you have planned, telling Marty to drop her shell like that. Whoa, Stephen has the be the greatest boyfriend ever. Most definitely the greatest boyfriend ever, loves her soul, no matter how she looks. Got me tearing up with Marty here.
Action Tactical, Inc. HQ, Blue Ridge Mountains. Great, a mercenary company. Tansy calling them, Arthur Lewis answers and she talks to him about how they helped her father dealing with problems. Calling them in to deal with James Hopper, this man is going to suffer for what he did. Never tick off Tansy or mess with anyone she considers friend or family, her vengeance will make you wish you never met them. What these men are going to do to him, I hope we get some details but not all of them, unless it doesn't involve torture.
Very interesting story from start to finish, the incident with Eruption, thinking that Lanie was pregnant due to morning sickness, HM messing with Kayda through the book and the plan to deal with him, relationship business with Stephen and Marty and everyone they talked to about it. Learning how students practice healing spells, the Atlantis contraceptive spell messed with by Kodiak placed on Lanie to scare Lanie and Wyatt into being more careful. And more steps towards dealing with HM, while Tansy has some needed conversations with her mom, and we learn about a huge trauma from Lanie's past. Tons of details, things we never knew about and others only suspected, plus we got some answers with more questions raised as well. Wonderful story and can't wait for more.
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Another breath filled her lungs and slowly went out through her nose. She held the case up and opened her eyes. “Well...shit,” she whispered.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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17,000,000 divided by 282 is ~60,000.
Does this seem high to anyone else, or is the check for all of the barrels, or some kind of patent, or something?
Cause sixty thousand dollars just seems really high for a bottle of less than two Imperial Pints.
Like, sure, you get alcohol that expensive, but it's really famous, really high-end stuff, so surely I'm missing something here....?
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Well, the big thing you're missing is the check given to Elaine represents the wholesale, not retail value of the bottle. Anyone wanting a bottle of Irish Rover will probably need to write a check for something like $120,000. Why? Well, it's age mostly.
Whiskeys age only when in the barrel. It is the wood of the barrel that gives them their color and flavor. (Raw distilled whiskey is clear and basically tasteless.) Because unlike wine it stops aging when bottled, its kept in the wood as long as possible. But, wood ROTS. The seams widen and the once air tight seal becomes porous and the whiskey begins to evaporate. Distillers call this the 'Angels' Share'. Aging whiskey is a delicate balance between how long you're willing to let it age and how much you loose from evaporation.
What Liam Nalley did was game changing. He basically found a way to keep his joins from separating so the barrels stayed water tight and so the whiskey could just keep aging with out evaporating. His barrels are all basically full and hold eighty five year old whiskey. As Lanie notes, the next competitor of single malt rye whiskey only offers a 35 year old bottle.
And in fifteen years those barrels will be a century old. Wealthy men who are whiskey affectionados will pay RIDICULOUS money for whiskey that old and that fantastically smooth and flavorful. So basically Irish Rover will have an instant reputation as famous and high end once it hits the trades.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
- Valentine
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Kaitha39 wrote: In addition to the "OH SNAP" moments of Tansy realising Hekate is alive (but who is she?), and her telling Elaine about Jade (oh snap she even realised it WAS Jade. Isn't this the first non-Kimba to know how Jade works?!?), I'd just like to ask about Ayla's scene,
Dr. Bellows, Ito, and some other instructors/staff know. A few others know, because they saw or heard her original explanation, Belle, Zenith. A few like Absinthe and Kayda can see the link between the J-Team and Jade or just spent too much time with them and figured out something weird is going on.
BUT, none of them have outed Jade, like Tansy just did.
17,000,000 divided by 282 is ~60,000.
Does this seem high to anyone else, or is the check for all of the barrels, or some kind of patent, or something?
Cause sixty thousand dollars just seems really high for a bottle of less than two Imperial Pints.
Like, sure, you get alcohol that expensive, but it's really famous, really high-end stuff, so surely I'm missing something here....?
$60,000 a bottle isn't the most someone has paid for whiskey, but it is near the top. And those prices were for either single auctioned bottles or a number under a score of bottles, and at auction. When you add in the sellers cut, likely that will make these the most expensive bottles of whiskey sold, one charity bottle was more, but it was auctioned by the shot.
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I was meaning just among students. I forgot Beltaine would have heard the original story. Angel and Quickie probably got told it as well, but it's been ages since I read Jade-3, so I can't remember.Valentine wrote: Dr. Bellows, Ito, and some other instructors/staff know. A few others know, because they saw or heard her original explanation, Belle, Zenith. A few like Absinthe and Kayda can see the link between the J-Team and Jade or just spent too much time with them and figured out something weird is going on.
BUT, none of them have outed Jade, like Tansy just did.
Still, the other's like Absinthe just know there's something weird. I didn't think they actually knew the in-depth difference that Tansy knows here.
Unless every psychic can see it, and Tansy's knowledge isn't because of the events of "Jade-4-Bottle a Jinn"?
Regarding Alcohol:
Thanks for that E.E. I didn't know anything about Whisky's aging thing.
Still...
it's a bit disconcerting that for 45 thousand pounds you can get a small bottle of alcohol.
That's like, two-thirds of a HOUSE for my local area.
(Not that I'm criticising the story. I'm criticising the amazing wastefulness of the rich people who spend their money that way, even IRL.)
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E. E. Nalley wrote: Thanks for the comment, Kaitha!
Whiskeys age only when in the barrel. It is the wood of the barrel that gives them their color and flavor. (Raw distilled whiskey is clear and basically tasteless.) Because unlike wine it stops aging when bottled, its kept in the wood as long as possible. But, wood ROTS. The seams widen and the once air tight seal becomes porous and the whiskey begins to evaporate. Distillers call this the 'Angels' Share'. Aging whiskey is a delicate balance between how long you're willing to let it age and how much you loose from evaporation.
So when is Lanie going to take offers on Personal Selection barrels...provided of course we have the money....
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Very cool stuff really... or at least, you commit yourself to thinking how amazing and cool it is once you put that much money on the table for a couple sips of liquid.

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As far as we know, she has yet to touch Danny or Danica in catgirl mode. Furthermore, she views Danica as a means to an end, but Danny is actually quite popular with girls once he stops whining and hanging out with Tansy. Danny is fit, lean muscular, and svelte as can be.
The Witch, on the other hand, is extremely vain. If she starts flirting with Danny, and other girls find him desirable, will she be able to resist him and go forward with her plan? Will she simply enjoy that other girls are jealous of her being Danny's favorite? I don't think the Don knows who she is either, he only knows that she's present, somewhere.
Perhaps she ends up rather...possessive of Danny? We know nothing about Danny and his relationship with Whateley girls (and boys?) between now and 2011.
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Kaitha39 wrote: Still, the other's like Absinthe just know there's something weird. I didn't think they actually knew the in-depth difference that Tansy knows here.
Unless every psychic can see it, and Tansy's knowledge isn't because of the events of "Jade-4-Bottle a Jinn"
I think that Tansy knows because she's put in a lot more time recently in trying to understand what she'd been taught about avatars like her (First with the spirit-jacking scheme, becoming linked to Mustang, and with Lanie/Grizzly's problems, she IS motivated). I.e., now she has a better understanding of what Jinn is or was.
I'd guess that NOT every psychic can see the links between Jade and her soul fragments (if that is what they are), but those that have the ability to perceive the higher planes that coexist with their material world probably can (Fubar, Esoteric, Diamondback, Carmilla, "royal" Sidhe?) as might those who can at least perceive the energy flows (Chaka). The catch always comes back to those who can see the links not only needing to know what they're looking at but also having to care enough to make note of it. With the spirit-trading scheme still going on, with or without The Don and TWFKAH, letting too many people know about such abilities is probably a Bad Idea.
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null0trooper wrote:
Kaitha39 wrote: Still, the other's like Absinthe just know there's something weird. I didn't think they actually knew the in-depth difference that Tansy knows here.
Unless every psychic can see it, and Tansy's knowledge isn't because of the events of "Jade-4-Bottle a Jinn"
I think that Tansy knows because she's put in a lot more time recently in trying to understand what she'd been taught about avatars like her (First with the spirit-jacking scheme, becoming linked to Mustang, and with Lanie/Grizzly's problems, she IS motivated). I.e., now she has a better understanding of what Jinn is or was.
And she owes Spirit-Chan an apology.
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Kaitha39 wrote: In addition to the "OH SNAP" moments of Tansy realising Hekate is alive (but who is she?), and her telling Elaine about Jade (oh snap she even realised it WAS Jade. Isn't this the first non-Kimba to know how Jade works?!?), I'd just like to ask about Ayla's scene,
17,000,000 divided by 282 is ~60,000.
Does this seem high to anyone else, or is the check for all of the barrels, or some kind of patent, or something?
Cause sixty thousand dollars just seems really high for a bottle of less than two Imperial Pints.
Like, sure, you get alcohol that expensive, but it's really famous, really high-end stuff, so surely I'm missing something here....?
All I can say is this--the age and the 'exclusivity' AKA whine like a little kid--"I got some and you don't!" sticks out tongue!
In my work...I meet a lady who spent 20,000$ US$ on ONE set of sheets for a king size bed!
In that world 60,000 for booze is nothing!
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The Don is counting on TWFKAH to confront the Master. Which may be a stupid bet, because, well, he was HER Master.
The Master is trying to seduce Kayda to the Dark Side.
TWFKAH is counting on "taking over" Kayda to gain Shamanic magic in order to confront the Master.
TWFKAH is thinking of seducing Danny to get close to Kayda.
Kayda is learning how to fake Mythos magic to bait the Master.
Tansy induced that TWFKAH is in-campus and is starting to warn people.
My, what a tangled web...
Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him. The Don may not be in the top tier of campus telepaths, but he IS an artist of the mindfuck, and he had made Kallysta totally obsessed and dependent on him. Therefore:
- The likelihood of TWFKAH falling for Danny is rather low, since Sebastiano is probably reinforcing his mindfuck over her.
- IF it happens, well, it would mean breaking the hold Sebastiano has on her, which changes the whole dynamic of the thing. For one thing, Sebby is SOL.
- TWFKAH may be underestimating Danny's resistance to her magic. Remember, Wihinape protected his mind from direct exposition to Mythos madness. It's probably because she doesn't understand the difference between his having "a cougar spirit" and having "Wihinape, The Lakota Spirit Of The Cougar."
- Tansy may be improving, but she is not above resorting to the dirtiest of tricks to exact revenge.
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Kaitha39 wrote:
I was meaning just among students. I forgot Beltaine would have heard the original story. Angel and Quickie probably got told it as well, but it's been ages since I read Jade-3, so I can't remember.Valentine wrote: Dr. Bellows, Ito, and some other instructors/staff know. A few others know, because they saw or heard her original explanation, Belle, Zenith. A few like Absinthe and Kayda can see the link between the J-Team and Jade or just spent too much time with them and figured out something weird is going on.
BUT, none of them have outed Jade, like Tansy just did.
Still, the other's like Absinthe just know there's something weird. I didn't think they actually knew the in-depth difference that Tansy knows here.
Unless every psychic can see it, and Tansy's knowledge isn't because of the events of "Jade-4-Bottle a Jinn"?
Not the psychics, but the mages. Absinthe, and I think Kayda, can see the link between Jade and her "devices," Fey probably can too. Some of the other Posies might know. I don't think she told Angel and them how she brought stuff to life, but I got the feeling that they are just going with her current story.
Out of curiosity, I shifted over to my mage sight and saw that the stuffed animal actually had an aura, one that looked almost identical to Jade’s. And more than that, there was actually a very solid threat tying it back to Jade.
“It’s not fair pranking me like that,” Jade told the stuffed cat, standing there with her hands on her lips in a way that nearly made me want to burst out laughing.
“Someone has to,” the cat teased back. “Besides, I couldn’t resist the opportunity. You know that.”
“Arguing with yourself?” I asked, wondering if this was some kind of telekinesis.
Jade and the doll both froze and Jade gave me a faintly worried look before saying, “I’m a devisor and one of my artificial intelligences here decided to get a little too independent.”
I could see both the aura of the stuffed animal as well as Jade’s, so I could see the flickering colors that I’d learned meant she was being deceptive. However, I didn’t bother to challenge her obvious lie. Whatever she was up to, it was her business.
Regarding Alcohol:
Thanks for that E.E. I didn't know anything about Whisky's aging thing.
Still...
it's a bit disconcerting that for 45 thousand pounds you can get a small bottle of alcohol.
That's like, two-thirds of a HOUSE for my local area.
(Not that I'm criticising the story. I'm criticising the amazing wastefulness of the rich people who spend their money that way, even IRL.)
If I remember correctly, in the US, a whiskey barrel can only be used once, so the used barrels are sold in Europe to be reused. In some cases for other liquors to get some of the whiskey flavor mixed in, others are sold to make furniture. Empty barrels can cost up to $200 retail.
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I'm afraid I don't remember this detail. Could you jog my memory?Sir Lee wrote: Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him. The Don may not be in the top tier of campus telepaths, but he IS an artist of the mindfuck, and he had made Kallysta totally obsessed and dependent on him.
Also, I'm really hoping that HM's plan to endanger Danny goes awry because TWFKAH chooses that moment to "rescue" him in order to seduce him.
Of course, knowing EE and Elrod, it's equally likely that some other freshman girl happens by, rescues him, and then adds herself to his harem just so that they can mess with us.
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Yes, in 'legal' applications, you cannot use the barrel for a second run in the US. From a flavor perspective, most people won't even where you can. You won't get the same degree of influence on the flavor in a second run and even less on a third run, etc. Of course, that doesn't prevent someone from trying if they want a subtle variation... but it is common for such things to be inconsistent... and production runs rely on consistent results. Which is yet another reason the truly amazing complex results tend to come from private runs because even if someone IS going to try something with a odd combination third run barrel aging process, what are the odds of having a 'lot' of said barrels when the result ends up off the charts. And to get something from a private run generally involves knowing someone. Or using copious amounts of money to create an acquaintance with someone...Valentine wrote: If I remember correctly, in the US, a whiskey barrel can only be used once, so the used barrels are sold in Europe to be reused. In some cases for other liquors to get some of the whiskey flavor mixed in, others are sold to make furniture. Empty barrels can cost up to $200 retail.
In general though, there are far more situations where the barrel has made something else first and is being used for whiskey now to impart aspects of the previous alcohol into this whiskey. Port, sherry, wines, rum... all sorts of things. The one thing I know of people using previously-whiskey barrels for is to store coffee beans. I've never tasted coffee produced from said process though, so I don't know if there's any merit to it.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
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Look at the beginning of Christmas Elves: Fey and Jade's Holiday Havoc . Second scene, Sebastiano and Hekate having sex.Arcanist Lupus wrote:
I'm afraid I don't remember this detail. Could you jog my memory?Sir Lee wrote: Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him. The Don may not be in the top tier of campus telepaths, but he IS an artist of the mindfuck, and he had made Kallysta totally obsessed and dependent on him.
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Sir Lee wrote: Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him.
Actually the Don contacted her, all the way back in The Riddle of Sappho Canto I.
As touching Whiskey Barrels, the Jack Daniels distillery maintains one of the last traditional cooper workshops in the country where their barrels are made, by hand, using 19th century techniques. They only use the barrels once, though I don't know if Kirstin is right and its a matter of law, or just how they work their aging, but there are several European distillery that prize Jack Daniels barrels and use them for their own aging on a second run. They buy the barrels direct in container lots.
I have an uncle that was the Minister of the Methodist church in Lynchburg, TN for a time in my misspent youth where I learned this. Lynchburg being the home of Jack Daniels. Ironic note, Moore County, in which Lynchburg resides is dry. That means you can't buy the whiskey made there.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Thank you!Sir Lee wrote:
Look at the beginning of Christmas Elves: Fey and Jade's Holiday Havoc . Second scene, Sebastiano and Hekate having sex.Arcanist Lupus wrote:
I'm afraid I don't remember this detail. Could you jog my memory?Sir Lee wrote: Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him. The Don may not be in the top tier of campus telepaths, but he IS an artist of the mindfuck, and he had made Kallysta totally obsessed and dependent on him.
I'm skeptical that the Don is as good as he thinks he is. On the other hand, he did nearly mindfuck the Kimbas, so it's not something to be discounted.
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Arcanist Lupus wrote:
Thank you!Sir Lee wrote:
Look at the beginning of Christmas Elves: Fey and Jade's Holiday Havoc . Second scene, Sebastiano and Hekate having sex.Arcanist Lupus wrote:
I'm afraid I don't remember this detail. Could you jog my memory?Sir Lee wrote: Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him. The Don may not be in the top tier of campus telepaths, but he IS an artist of the mindfuck, and he had made Kallysta totally obsessed and dependent on him.
I'm skeptical that the Don is as good as he thinks he is. On the other hand, he did nearly mindfuck the Kimbas, so it's not something to be discounted.
Not really, no. He had it pretty much right when he figured out he was sharkbait for Nimbus/Hekate's Master after Christmas, and the fact he needed info on him to buy his survival. Then he played his Don Assholo when he thought with just a few manipulations from his hospital bed he had the guy figured out, and promptly forgot he had no ground to stand on, already thinking he could just play the administration with his intel, as if nothing had happened. Also, the fact he considered he had nailed the guy from first try without further verifications tell a lot. And after that, direct confrontation all alone... Assholo is lucky he's still alive and he's needed for whatever reason punitions standards have been lowered for him. The second it's not needed anymore, off the to the mine and concrete (his words, not mine).
As for the stroy, it brought up interesting infos. Now to see how that unfolds...
And one thing, WT. I respect the fact you thought you needed to skip the normal schedule of incarnation (probably the cocktail Unga Bunga, Bedside Rug, Bastard), and can agree with that... But careful about this 'mine' business.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: Ironic note, Moore County, in which Lynchburg resides is dry. That means you can't buy the whiskey made there.
On the other hand, while Nelson and Anderson Counties are "wet", at least some (if not all) of the major distilleries have to ship their finished product out of the Commonwealth (to Tennessee, IIRC) for bottling. That Four Roses tanker I once saw on the Bluegrass Expressway had a State Police escort (that was probably just the visible security).
On barrel re-use: back before used barrels became expensive, sometimes local entrepreneurs could afford to obtain some for their own production. One property owner somehow ended up with an entire barn sheathed with barrel staves.
Also, if you think whisky connoisseurs are picky - I've heard Kentuckians bad-mouth their own (distant) family relations over one brand or another. :devlish:
@Hardric: I suspect we're just seeing more examples of "Extraplanar entities, no matter how well-disposed they are to you, have their own priorities. You may be lucky if their ideas of 'help' and 'good for you' intersect your own."
OR, there could be reasons we haven't seen much of WT in Gen 2, aside from shamanism requiring a lot of self-discovery and reinvention on the part of the shaman.
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: Comments: if The Don is counting on TWFKAH, that means that she has contacted him.
Actually the Don contacted her, all the way back in The Riddle of Sappho Canto I.
As touching Whiskey Barrels, the Jack Daniels distillery maintains one of the last traditional cooper workshops in the country where their barrels are made, by hand, using 19th century techniques. They only use the barrels once, though I don't know if Kirstin is right and its a matter of law, or just how they work their aging, but there are several European distillery that prize Jack Daniels barrels and use them for their own aging on a second run. They buy the barrels direct in container lots.
I have an uncle that was the Minister of the Methodist church in Lynchburg, TN for a time in my misspent youth where I learned this. Lynchburg being the home of Jack Daniels. Ironic note, Moore County, in which Lynchburg resides is dry. That means you can't buy the whiskey made there.
Yep and like one move said it --"this county is a dry county and we have the alcoholics to prove it!"
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Yes, in 'legal' applications, you cannot use the barrel for a second run in the US. From a flavor perspective, most people won't even where you can. You won't get the same degree of influence on the flavor in a second run and even less on a third run, etc. Of course, that doesn't prevent someone from trying if they want a subtle variation... but it is common for such things to be inconsistent... and production runs rely on consistent results. Which is yet another reason the truly amazing complex results tend to come from private runs because even if someone IS going to try something with a odd combination third run barrel aging process, what are the odds of having a 'lot' of said barrels when the result ends up off the charts. And to get something from a private run generally involves knowing someone. Or using copious amounts of money to create an acquaintance with someone...Valentine wrote: If I remember correctly, in the US, a whiskey barrel can only be used once, so the used barrels are sold in Europe to be reused. In some cases for other liquors to get some of the whiskey flavor mixed in, others are sold to make furniture. Empty barrels can cost up to $200 retail.
In general though, there are far more situations where the barrel has made something else first and is being used for whiskey now to impart aspects of the previous alcohol into this whiskey. Port, sherry, wines, rum... all sorts of things. The one thing I know of people using previously-whiskey barrels for is to store coffee beans. I've never tasted coffee produced from said process though, so I don't know if there's any merit to it.
There are several craft brewers that will age their beers in the used barrels. I heard of one that filled the barrel with honey first before emptying it and then aging their beer. Seriously, I had a bottle of Velvet Merkin from Firestone Walker that was aged in a Bourbon barrel that left me wanting to turn the lights low and putting on some Barry White. Mmmmm, beer.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: I have an uncle that was the Minister of the Methodist church in Lynchburg, TN for a time in my misspent youth where I learned this. Lynchburg being the home of Jack Daniels. Ironic note, Moore County, in which Lynchburg resides is dry. That means you can't buy the whiskey made there.
This summer, daughter and I toured the JD Distillery. It turns out there's a loophole that is used in the JD gift shop to sell booze. You don't buy the booze. Instead, you buy a souvenir bottle (they have a series of devices to custom etch what you want on the bottle!) and the distillery GIVES you the whiskey contained in it. So they don't sell the whiskey, and they skirt the 'official' law.
A certain redhead character we know would love finding loopholes like that

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A certain redhead character we know would love finding loopholes like that
Yep even if it did confirm her code name. After all what good is knowing all the rules unless you understand how to work them to your advantage?
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But for me, the big event in this installment was news of The Breakup. Fatboy Slim's "That Old Pair of Jeans" has always made me think of Greasy, even though it wasn't actually relevant yet. But now it finally is!
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Smart women are sexy.Kettlekorn wrote: Thesaurlange was amusing.
Kettlekorn wrote: But for me, the big event in this installment was news of The Breakup. Fatboy Slim's "That Old Pair of Jeans" has always made me think of Greasy, even though it wasn't actually relevant yet. But now it finally is!
In turn, the keyboard intro reminded me of "Games People Play" , which still fits.
Of course, I'm left wondering if John will finally learn that his father (maybe both parents) isn't a good role model: people generally don't appreciate being treated like objects or inferiors without a whole lot of negotiation first (Even then, there's a time and place.) He didn't learn to be that much of a lowlife without examples.
Meanwhile, it's been a week and no one's mentioned that a certain student of Raven's revealed a bit of her chequered past.
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null0trooper wrote: Meanwhile, it's been a week and no one's mentioned that a certain student of Raven's revealed a bit of her chequered past.
There are several items I'm surprised no one has commented on. Not the least of which was our Epilogue, and what it might entail.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
null0trooper wrote: Meanwhile, it's been a week and no one's mentioned that a certain student of Raven's revealed a bit of her chequered past.
There are several items I'm surprised no one has commented on. Not the least of which was our Epilogue, and what it might entail.
The epilogue bothered me quite a bit actually. But I dislike making negative comments because I'm very bad at it, and I may have missed something so what I think I read was not what was implied. I'm a bit dyslexic Not unusual for me to totally screw up the context of something I'm reading and I have to go back and check to see if I actually did read what I thought I read.
This is what I got.
Tansy wasn't asking them to dig up dirt, but to create it.
It does not bode well for her recovery. You can always find justification to step over the line if you are inclined. It is not something you should do.
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peter wrote: This is what I got.
Tansy wasn't asking them to dig up dirt, but to create it.
It does not bode well for her recovery. You can always find justification to step over the line if you are inclined. It is not something you should do.
No, you read it correctly. She doesn't especially care if they find something and expose him or manufacture it whole cloth. And yes, relapse is always a danger to the recovering addict.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
peter wrote: This is what I got.
Tansy wasn't asking them to dig up dirt, but to create it.
It does not bode well for her recovery. You can always find justification to step over the line if you are inclined. It is not something you should do.
No, you read it correctly. She doesn't especially care if they find something and expose him or manufacture it whole cloth. And yes, relapse is always a danger to the recovering addict.
If the scandal is simply created to bring the target down, there's room for her to learn of it and resolve to be a better person next time.
If there is real "dirt" - and with a public figure drawn to power over others that's not a bad bet - the question isn't whether she can justify it, but whether she's up to dealing with his handlers, who likely aren't high school amateur hour themselves.
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They are, but sexy is not the sort of amusing I was referring to, and I wouldn't call her use of language there smart. It was dorky, at best. "Look at me, I have one of the most common super powers and access to a thesaurus, so now I can pepper my discourse with egregiously ponderous verbiage effecting the notion that my intellect is in excess of the representative level for humanity! My magniloquent behavior is in no way an idiosyncratic example of a neophyte's counterfeit aptitude, but rather an ingenerate denouement of my own transcendence beyond the circumambient exiguousness of éclat beleaguering our forsaken society!"null0trooper wrote:
Smart women are sexy.Kettlekorn wrote: Thesaurlange was amusing.
I mean, "completely sovereign authorship?" Really? Tansy, you've been hanging around Loophole too much. Well, that and your lawyer mom, but I can't fault you for hanging out with her given the situation. But you're exceeding your RDA for Lawyer, so you need to take some time off from Loophole and go hang out with Kayda or Wyatt for a while to recharge your humanity.
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Kettlekorn wrote: But you're exceeding your RDA for Lawyer, so you need to take some time off from Loophole and go hang out with Kayda or Wyatt for a while to recharge your humanity.
Hey! Loophole is human! See? It says so right here in the DSM-5 on page...

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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