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Question The Evil That Men Do
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joreymay wrote:
For instance, it is readily accepted that Generator is in Poe because of her overt (and surprisingly dangerous) eccentricities, and not even suspected that she is there because of her sexual identity issues. As far as most students are concerned, there is no mystery to solve. Even when one of the residents is outed for a sexuality issue, that just reinforces the cover story.
And not just Jade. Zenith is a well know bipolar type with Everything is GREAT(!) highs and No one will EVER love me(!!) lows. Hippy is, well, anger issues don't begin to cover it. Fey is apparently a full on schizophrenic who spent months last year looking for her spirit when she wasn't insisting she was a reincarnated Fairy Queen. Mokele' is a raging psychotic, Omega is a sociopath who doesn't care about ANYTHING. Go-Go is manic, Angel is obsessive compulsive, Boudacia is antisocial, etc, etc, etc.
While there might be some who regret this cover, it is brilliantly self healing and works very well. Most of the kids just write it off. "Oh, you're a Posey? That explains it..."
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Hardric wrote: And last point about Dreamer's speculations about Englund... Between the wielding of Hellfire and the way he behaves, I think he was already thoroughly burned by whatever pulled up this scam with him, and he's painfully aware of it being Not Good News.
He was clearly given an offer he couldn't refuse, not that everything since has gone to plan.
On the other hand, we know of at least four persons (kinda, sorta, considering what passes for a resident in Dunwich) who would offer up souls against their own black debts: Hecate's Master/Nimbus, Charles Upton Darrow, TWFKAH, and Abigail.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: While there might be some who regret this cover, it is brilliantly self healing and works very well. Most of the kids just write it off. "Oh, you're a Posey? That explains it..."
It even works for others. "Dude's dating a Poesie. I don't think even devisors have meds for that."
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
joreymay wrote:
For instance, it is readily accepted that Generator is in Poe because of her overt (and surprisingly dangerous) eccentricities, and not even suspected that she is there because of her sexual identity issues. As far as most students are concerned, there is no mystery to solve. Even when one of the residents is outed for a sexuality issue, that just reinforces the cover story.
And not just Jade. Zenith is a well know bipolar type with Everything is GREAT(!) highs and No one will EVER love me(!!) lows. Hippy is, well, anger issues don't begin to cover it. Fey is apparently a full on schizophrenic who spent months last year looking for her spirit when she wasn't insisting she was a reincarnated Fairy Queen. Mokele' is a raging psychotic, Omega is a sociopath who doesn't care about ANYTHING. Go-Go is manic, Angel is obsessive compulsive, Boudacia is antisocial, etc, etc, etc.
While there might be some who regret this cover, it is brilliantly self healing and works very well. Most of the kids just write it off. "Oh, you're a Posey? That explains it..."
I forgot many people will just judge on flashy outliers rather than the whole of the group... And they probably forget idiots like Bravo, Nightdork and the likely none-too small number of headcases in the other dorms (Belphegor and Peeper also come to mind. Or heck, as far the random student is concerned, the whole group of the New Olympians), be it because of hormones, powers, crappy life...
And that still don't mean everyone buys it. The Lit Chix in the past where curious about Poe (letting the one Poesie of the groupe, Selkie, in a funny situation there), and I believe I remember other peoples enertaining questions at a moment or another, like Flytrap who pretty much came within inches of it, even accounting for an initial lead. If nine people out of ten (or nineteen out of twenty) are credule enough to buy it without questions, the one remaining will just not keep it at that. And even if part of that number are conspiracy nuts...
Okay, I'm defeating my own arguments there, but nothing can be that perfect or last forever, even a cover story like this. We only saw a litttle more than one year of Whateley, and even if it was an extraordinary one, there can't be that much seemingly special cases like these ones or the Kimboids every year to deflect the suspiscions about a dorm with specifics magical wards and a very strict entry policy like Poe. Heck, now I find myself thinking back to Vamp, and how Nex was unable to get the idea Zenith and Sahar were a couple. Denial and better psychics on their side probably, but what about telepaths or any other sort of ESP not willing to play along the rules or not controlling it ending up in vincinity of Poesies not having these advantages?
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Hardric wrote: And that still don't mean everyone buys it.
Of course not everyone buys it! When that happens, we call them stories!

More seriously, kids are just shallow. Spend some time around 14 or 15 year olds and look at how easily they are deflected, manipulated and steered. And while we consider 18 to be an adult, the human brain doesn't finish development until 25. This is why college 18-24 is almost universally considered this massive, eye opening experience, because it IS...
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Hardric wrote: Denial and better psychics on their side probably, but what about telepaths or any other sort of ESP not willing to play along the rules or not controlling it ending up in vincinity of Poesies not having these advantages?
I suspect that most of those psychics are far too aware that the postmodernist claim of a "gender binary" is complete and utter nonsense. Likewise, angst over one's body and one's identities is part and parcel of adolescence - it's just kicked up a notch or two in general over at Poe.
"Well, I'll say it again. Demons I get. People are crazy." -- D. Winchester
I also suspect that the sociopaths among the psychics know they're Suspect #1 if word about the Poe Secret gets out.
Mystics strong/skilled enough to bypass Poe's wards have even less trouble than the psychics in finding more important things to worry about.
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Cousin Wolf had chosen to split himself, half becoming Dog to guide man as a faithful companion, teaching love and duty. Half would remain Wolf and would predate on man and his sheltered animals, through hardship and loss teaching patience and dedication. Coyote had taken the hard road, the road of the spirit guide, to stalk dreams and teach lessons beyond example; to keep and whisper secrets of the world and the Astral Realm that lay beside it. To walk in both, belonging to neither, despised of the spirits for sharing their power and feared by men who could not understand the world he opened their eyes to.
I'll be taking that whole statement and the other ones with much salt, Vile E. Coyote. But by all means, prove me wrong.
Also in the room was a small table or desk and a stool with it and in one corner there was a large wardrobe, also hand made and adorned with ornate carvings she couldn't make out. From the ceiling hung an oil lamp that was out and in one corner nearest the bed was a bucket whose smell made it obvious its function. Finally her brain clicked and she realized where she was. “This is Laneth's room,” she told herself, her voice sounding odd in her ears and she began to become worried.
I don't know the 'why', but I'm pretty sure the answer isn't anything good.
Lanie lamented that the Medieval Warm Period was two hundred years away.
I think you should be worried about the food too. Pretty sure the standrads for 'edible' shifted a little bit in more than one thousand years.
The man pointed to the south, towards the mouth of the bay. “A ship on fire is beached below!”
*Check his history* Okay, official Viking raids are still a few years away, so maybe these ones only partied too much, and forgot their boat was flammable, right?
“Jarl Grímr is on his way to Neustria to the court of King Pepin in hopes of marrying his daughter well,” Galan went on with a gesture to the thin man in the cloak with his, now obviously her hood up. “I have offered you as chaperone of his daughter until they can repair their ship.” Lanie nodded and again curtseyed to the big man.
Yes, they probably just celebrated the future marriage a little early, no nefarious problems here.
“We...Well met,” she said after a moment of thought. “It is a distinct pleasure to meet you!”
Dang it, now Tansy's here, I guess 'premature partying' is out?
The blonde shook her head. “I woke up on that boat to find it on fire and the men had just fought off, something.
*Bang* Dang it, I needed these denial generators. And they cost a lot!
“I have a bad feeling about this...”
Man, is that an open door to break (Yeah, not the official English expression, but I wanted to see how it rolls).
Any hope of the storm abating was quickly dashed as visibility was even worse now than it had been yesterday and the wind was bitterly cold. Wyatt reached out and began to struggle with something. “You won't believe it! A pair of trees fell on either side of the teepee!” His words were drowned out by snaps and cracks of breaking wood, then he began to haul some smaller, broken dead and dried branches into the tent, shaking as much snow off as he could. Soon their store of sticks was better stocked and the fire was going merrily again.
Like I said, prove me wrong Vile E..
He snorted in dismissal. “You probably have more friends, real friends, than I do. Sure, I have a lot of buddies, but real, solid friends? Ok, Pendragon and I settled things and Art is staying in touch, so that's one. And Aries had my back, so two.”
For some unfathomable reason, populariy with women doesn't necessarily translate into many friendships. Gee, what a surprise. Also, I know it's Kayda, but careful about telling how close you feel about your master spy. Even Assholo could begin to have doubts if other could hear that.
It was a subconscious thing, but he put his arm around her and hugged her. “Hey, take it easy now. We've got a fire, and plenty of fuel and the snow is actually working for us now, the more it comes down, the more insulated the teepee will get. We'll be out of here in no time. You'll see.” He was stretching the truth about the wood supply; there weren't a lot of dead branches on the downed trees, and the fresh wood wouldn't burn nearly as well.
Nice white lies, but you've got an unknown problem. Once Kigabidule discovers your teepee, you come at the head of the menu.
“Good morning, students!” Mrs Carson called from the top tier and the faculty dais. Despite having spent the night in her office and not having had a shower she was still coiffed and professional. It hardly seemed fair. “If you can conduct yourselves accordingly, after breakfast we will have open study and club meeting time until the storm breaks and we can return to some semblance of normalcy. If you prove you cannot be adult in this, we will arrange for classes here. The choice is yours. Enjoy your breakfast.”
It's this sort of uncompromising hardness which shows Carson is the perfect head for Whateley.
Mrs Carson shook her head. “No, I can't have these kids living on the floor for a week. When the storm breaks, get in touch with the water board and take whoever you need to assist them in getting service restored with some kind of temporary shelter. Once the kids are back in their cottages we can worry about a permanent structure.”
Well, and this too.
“Now what?” Carson asked of the air, looking down on her two sleeping trouble makers, feeling very fearful of their safety.
Euh, they're only having a special lesson about life at the end of the 8th century (denial generators back online).
How would she ever recover from such an experience, in front of the entire student body?
By getting back up, and soldiering on. Sorry, no magic cure (would turning into the mountain lion have worked better?)
“I didn't ask for this,” Franks said softly. “None of it. Not Wihinape, not powers, I just wanted to get through high school, maybe go to college, find a girl, do stupid shit, maybe even make my folks proud of me.” She sighed, her voice trembling. “Now I'm the brother of 'the chosen one', and it wasn't even supposed to be Kayda! And she had a chance to make it right! To undo all of this, and she didn't!” Danica wasn't sure when she had started shouting, but suddenly she was on her feet, nose to nose with Marty, whose eyes were sad and full of tears. “God damn it! Why did she have to be so selfish? Why, Marty? WHY?”
Dunno, why do you have to be so selfish? Sorry for the low blow, but your brains: with all the crap she went through, including a not so minor gang rape, don't you think she would have taken the '''go back''' choice if there was a real choice? And besides, you would still be an Avatar, kiddo, no guaranteee about a normal life. Oh, and of course that would mean your niece would be the one dealing with this shit, did you forgot it, or did Vile E. when he talked to you? (Prove me wrong, fucking bag of fleas...)
“Not so tough now, are you?” sneered Archer. “I told you...”
Sweet Philemon, how did that Darwin Awards future recipient still not collect his prize with an attitude like that?
“No, no, he...he means it. He'll kill me...!”
Ah I see, some remain of conservation instinct is still there.
“I'd kill for some coffee,” she murmured around a mouthful of the thick bread.
Maybe that's the actual reason the Vikings ended up being the ones to discover America...
A gasp ran through the hall and a few chuckles and cat calls of encouragement of the tale. “It was the like of nothing I had heard of any tale or prose, twice again the size of a man and covered, like a dog in white fur with claws like swords and a mouth full of daggers. Ten loyal shield men went to Valhalla as we fought the beast, whose breath was like the north wind in the depths of winter as though the entire world is frozen. It laughed at our swords and splintered shields with its massive fists. With a single blow it crushed men until their blood and entrails stained its fur. One man it froze solid with its breath and then with the back of its hand shattered the corpse like a child's snow ball! But, as with all of its kin, fire was its bane! I lit a torch and did battle with the monster, the flame giving it pain our spears and swords could not. My men rallied to my lead, and seizing torches, we drove the giant over board, down to feast with Ran in her hall below the waves, but our victory was hollow for our ship was set ablaze in the battle!
*Denial generators explode for good* Fuck, that's Kigabidule. The OP bastard didn't limit itself to the New World? Nerf please. Oh wait, a potential weakness... How many flamethrowers can the people inside the Hall craft exactly? And how much fuel could be used?
“Let me consult with Raven,” she replied as she moved off a bit to sit down in one of the chairs and closed her eyes.
Joy, we're about to meet yet another overpompous and smug etheric bastard.
“Archer is going to be a problem,” Stronghold declared as he sat his tray down on the table the FSA had staked out as theirs on the middle tier.
Euh, given how stupid he showed himself to be by jumping you like this, problem cold be overselling him... Just a little bit.
“Tombstone,the movie? Kurt Russel as Wyatt Earp?”
And now I've got a movie to watch later.
Erin rolled her eyes. “Men and their frail little egos!”
“Speak for yourself, Manly” jeered Powerhouse, from across the table, emphasizing Boudacia's ironic last name. The ardent feminist flipped him the bird.
Hey watch out, Bodica, you could take out the eyes of bystanders with that hypocrisy you're waving around. And what is Captain Condom Junior still doing here? I remember distinclty a recommendation of 'fire at first opportunity', and I refuse to believe he didn't already provide one.
“Name one time I haven't been there for this team?” he demanded. “You can't, because everyone here knows they can count on me. Do I like the way you live your life? No, but so what? Hippy over there hates me because I've got a cock. You gonna go lecture her? I'm a cape. I've got her back, and yours so long as you have mine. You live your life however you want, just don't demand my approval. We're on the same team, so get over it.”
I think Iron Dork could have gotten the message about why he was passed over when he was all but Heir Apparent for first part of last year...
Again he laughed and actually gave her a little hug of encouragement that set her heart to beating as she was pulled against his chest. The muscles were so hard and yet, it felt so comfortable. “Kayda, that is the biggest open secret on this campus! Are you kidding? There are legends about where this thing takes place and every boy that isn't a switch hitter fantasizing about a massive hot tub somewhere full of naked, beautiful, lesbians!” He looked down at her crooked. “So...where does it...?”
Hindisght is pretty much telling people 'should have known that'.
“Ah well, strike another blow against the 'size doesn't matter' guys,” he said good naturedly.
Pretty sure it does... The size of some Examplars is clearly not that attractive when you think hard enough about it.... Or after experimenting with it for the first time.
She shook her head and continued on to the statue of Noah Whateley in the center of the garden, mirroring the statue on the quad of the campus, but some how seeming older and more decayed. She turned by the statue and continued on into the area that was filled with tombstones showing the names of her peers, the faculty of the school. There were still blank stones, but most were just like the stone she stopped in front of, noting the pick and shovel that lay close by, ready to be put to work.
The only things I can think that would make the place more spooky would be coffins standing around, puddles of blood everywhere, and a green sky with a gigantic full moon.
As she had every time she had come here, the stone she stopped before had her own name carved in it, and while the month and day were still blank, the year, 2008 was still boldly carved in it.
Scratch that, it's even worst.
“What secrets would you ply from me, student?” the gigantic bird demanded. “Have I not slated your thirst for the unseen with this very warning I rest upon? Take heed human that you do not seek more than you can grasp and meet your undoing.”
Hello, Corbac. I already dislike you.
His head cocked to one side. “Then perhaps I should have Coyote play school master for you as well, Elyzia Grimes if this is the best you can do. Your time grows short, and my grave diggers will be busy digging fresh graves for the children in your care if you do not act. For in the shadow of the Enemy of Life lurks an old fugitive from Death. Take heed lest he offer up your soul against the black debt he owes on his own, my student. Take heed!”
Remind me Corbac, what happened to your oh-so-perfect hole in the mud you spirits had in the past? A dump called 'Atlantis', I believe. The way it fares tells volumes about the depth of the superiority you're lording over. Thanks for the additional warning too, I guess.
Elisabeth held her chin in thought. “No, that's not cryptic,” she complained with a roll of her eyes. “I have to wonder if spirits speak in riddles just to sound as if they know more than they actually do, or if they just love being frustrating and mysterious?”
Well, you had an artic shaman-killer farting around only two weeks ago, so maybe not so cryptic. For the question, 'll go for 'All of them.'
Danica couldn't contain a whistle of appreciation. “Damn, if that is one of your mistakes, you must be pretty sharp when you get it right. What can you do for me?”
You want to run fast and hard away of anything Jobe, Danny. Like, yesterday.
The girl actually smiled at his reaction and nodded. “Thank you. I couldn't help but overhear what happened last evening between you and one of the uni-brow neanderthals this campus is infested with. I wanted to let you know, you are not alone. I along with Marty Penn and Harley Sawyer suffer with you, and I have begun to think that perhaps we should form something of a self help association. My father, Emperor Wilkins, did something similar when he was here.”
“Well, thanks,” Danica replied with something of a shy smile. “Uh, Tansy Walcutt is teaching a make up, fashion and deportment class Tuesday nights, maybe you'd like to come by?”
Marty and Harleys reactions to this could be interesting, or how this idea will conflict with current Whateley statu quo. Also, I wonder what people would think if they learnt about these lessons someday... And where the hell are the ones for FtM changelings once you've thought about the MtF ones?
She took the scroll sitting on the desk and unrolled it, showing it to be a simple text in 'pages' of two columns. “I know, cool right? I never really think about Laneth being a 'scholar' but she was, as much as this day and age allowed her to be. This is her diary.”
Man, I know mutants emerging that much is a very recent thing, but you can't help but wonder how a Gadgeteer or Devisor would fare in the Middle Ages.
“Today is Laneth's seventeenth birthday,” she said quietly. Then smiled a crooked smile that didn't last. “She's actually becoming something of an old maid in this time.” The red head shook her head and sighed again. “Ten years from now, when she's twenty seven, Vikings, maybe even relatives of yours, Astrid, will raid Morlock and burn the village to the ground. I...she...Laneth will be killed in that raid,” she whispered.
Fuck, I forgot about that... At least you now know about the earliest raids of the Viking invasions to add for history books?
His tail curled around his paws, Coyote's endless eyes saw a Banshee and a Viking maid burst from the fort and begin running towards the Town Gate. “Now, my students,” he whispered. “Show me what you've learned.”
So, that was your game. Hardcore combat simulation against Kigabidule. Valuable lesson. Now the question remains: How many flamethrowers?
Now let's wait for the fireworks of the finale.
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Come to think of it, have we seen Boudacia's last name? We already knew she is called "Erin", but I don't think that her surname had been mentioned.Erin rolled her eyes. “Men and their frail little egos!”
“Speak for yourself, Manly” jeered Powerhouse, from across the table, emphasizing Boudacia's ironic last name. The ardent feminist flipped him the bird.
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Sir Lee wrote: Also, the fact that there ARE known LGBTI*.* OUTSIDE Poe tends to muddle any line of reasoning that goes towards "Poe is the Alternative Sexualities dorm." Consider, yeah, Poe has Hippy, Mega-Girl, Pejuta, Pounce and Bladedancer... but then, Hawthorne has Jimmy T and Chimera, Dickinson has Gateway, Skids, Sizzler and Solange, Melville has Reach, Jobe and Belphoebe (and formerly Loophole), Stronghold (who is not gay, but has no problem dating a known TG and therefore is seen as gay by som) is in Twain, Saladin is not a Poesie either... and that's just the ones who are either out or not hiding very well. Even if somebody notices that Poe is overrepresented in the LGBTI*.* group, well, the bigot contingent would just think, "OF COURSE they are in the wacko dorm. I mean, you must have something wrong with your head to be gay..."
Well, oving people in Poe in the course of the year would be so blatant a blind could see it... Although it raises the good point that back in 14, you don't have so many people with a sexuality set in stone...
joreymay wrote: Ultimately, it comes down to Word of God (or in this case, Word of TINCC) is that it does work, and we only know part of why/how it does. You can choose to drive yourself to distraction trying to "what about" it to death, but ultimately you are only hurting yourself. Your initial complaint was built on a false premise, and the rest has suffered from that faulty foundation.
Excuse me for feeling curious about a point of the worldbuilding quite important, wanting to know more about how it works because it's big enough it shouldn't be taken for granted, and not being able to start from an as completely healthy fundation as I would have wanted. No need to break out bolds and italics to stress the point.
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Hardric wrote:
Well, oving people in Poe in the course of the year would be so blatant a blind could see it... Although it raises the good point that back in 14, you don't have so many people with a sexuality set in stone...
And there you just stumbled upon something we've been hinting about for years. Why DO these kids have such well developed sexual preferences? And we have even provided an answer, but that would be telling.
Hardric wrote: Excuse me for feeling curious about a point of the worldbuilding quite important, wanting to know more about how it works because it's big enough it shouldn't be taken for granted, and not being able to start from an as completely healthy fundation as I would have wanted. No need to break out bolds and italics to stress the point.
No harm, no foul, Hardric. I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...

Seriously, this ending is going to blow you all away. I can say that with surety because every author who has joined after we finished planning and started taking new authors has asked, "So, what is REALLY going on?" And we say, "Oh, read the entry in the bible on REDACTED."
And then we squeegie their brains off the walls and pour them back into their heads.

SIR LEE:
This is the first mention of Erin's last name. FYI
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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And then Kayda finding out how endowed Wyatt actually is really put a smile on my face.“Hey,” a wit in the line remarked. “You pussys are in the wrong room, the girls bathroom is over there!” The line roared with laughter and David's face flushed with suppressed rage.
Was a great counter point to the very serious nature of the event.He tried to shift himself discretely but her sense of balance was off and she grabbed at his leg to steady herself. “Oh...my...God...!” she exclaimed.
Wyatt forced a laugh. “Uh, would you mind unhanding...?” She snatched her hand back like it was burned. “Sorry,” he said, feeling awkward and embarrassed for the first time around a girl in a long time
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The fact that those happen to be characters belonging to other authors, some of whom are now MIA, is coincidence.

Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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You lie! You simultaneously gain a sick pleasure like JG of us completely missing clues that the cabal thinks are super obvious, and disappointed that we gloss over or miss your painstakingly obvious (to the cabal) references.E. E. Nalley wrote: I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...

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True enough! There have been several (hundred) times where people would latch onto a throw away gag and worry it to death thinking they had The One True Clue to everything and we've torn 5 compartment holes into things but the Titanic just kept right on sailing like the Black Knight protesting 'tis but a scratch unnoticed.Katssun wrote:
You lie! You simultaneously gain a sick pleasure like JG of us completely missing clues that the cabal thinks are super obvious, and disappointed that we gloss over or miss your painstakingly obvious (to the cabal) references.E. E. Nalley wrote: I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...
I think come graduation this year, folks are going to have more than one moment of embarrassment. When they're not railing like a George R. R. Martin fan screaming over the death of Jon Snow when Hekate's Master is unmasked. We'll see...
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
True enough! There have been several (hundred) times where people would latch onto a throw away gag and worry it to death thinking they had The One True Clue to everything and we've torn 5 compartment holes into things but the Titanic just kept right on sailing like the Black Knight protesting 'tis but a scratch unnoticed.Katssun wrote:
You lie! You simultaneously gain a sick pleasure like JG of us completely missing clues that the cabal thinks are super obvious, and disappointed that we gloss over or miss your painstakingly obvious (to the cabal) references.E. E. Nalley wrote: I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...
I think come graduation this year, folks are going to have more than one moment of embarrassment. When they're not railing like a George R. R. Martin fan screaming over the death of Jon Snow when Hekate's Master is unmasked. We'll see...
Oh come on, we all know Hekate's Master is really Aaaaarrrgh.
Don't Drick and Drive.
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Valentine wrote: Oh come on, we all know Hekate's Master is really Aaaaarrrgh.
Yes, exactly...

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Hekate's master is Nimbus, but we don't really know what disguise he's wearing among the students....
Stone Bear has been posited, though I'm a bit suspicious of that red herring.
There is very little doubt in my mind that the storm is caused by the shaman hunter.... That is the only certainty I have so far about the story.
Adopt my story: here
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Generate enough heat to melt the snow and ice with Hartford of courseMalady wrote: Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??
Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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And speaking of people we haven't seen since a part, Action Tactical.
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Same with pretty much anyone on the Dream Team, though like with Erin and Miranda, I expect that Dr Geintz is keeping them from trying anything foolish - or at least making sure they don't get too much residual harm from it.
That's the problem. There are far too many people like that, both students and staff, who would know just how bad the forces behind this storm really are. This isn't the sort of thing that will be easy to keep a lid on, unless those same forces are also masking a lot of that.
I expect that the CC (TINCC) do have some kind of explanation, though.
Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.
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Schol-R-LEA wrote: That's the problem. There are far too many people like that, both students and staff, who would know just how bad the forces behind this storm really are. This isn't the sort of thing that will be easy to keep a lid on, unless those same forces are also masking a lot of that.
I expect that the CC (TINCC) do have some kind of explanation, though.
A super-cell storm of swamp gas proportions!
It is already jamming psychic and magical perception. IIRC, folks like Heyoka and Esoteric are supposed to be very rare, so no one's likely to witness anything unless the shaman-eater wins the first round against Kayda and Cody.
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Malady wrote: And speaking of people we haven't seen since a part, Action Tactical.
Oh, not to worry, we'll see the results of their handiwork by and by...

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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That + a helping of Jade. "Kigi...Could you come here. You would look so amazingly cute with a dash of sparkles! And glitter!!!!...And don't forget the bow!" As she runs up to him a HK bag in each hand!I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?
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That + a helping of Jade. "Kigi...Could you come here. You would look so amazingly cute with a dash of sparkles! And glitter!!!!...And don't forget the bow!" As she runs up to him a HK bag in each hand!I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?
I'm thinking that Jade is one of the last people you want facing Kigatilik. I think her "devices" might be vulnerable to a Demonic shaman killer.
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I guess we have to ask the question, is Ember more of a Firestar, or is she more of a Charlie McGee?Valentine wrote: I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?
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I guess we have to ask the question, is Ember more of a Firestar, or is she more of a Charlie McGee?Valentine wrote: I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?
More of a Charlie McGee, since Petshop is only about 5.
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Yolandria wrote: And now part 5 of our current story is up and about. Will they solve the riddle? Will they make snow globes? Who knows! But post in the section below once you find out!
I don't know... Doesn't it say something about the querent when they put more stock in Coyote's words over Raven's same message in a matter of death?
Regarding the snow globe crisis: Gotta hand it to him, the old mutt did manage a couple of sweet tricks of his own.
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The Evil That Men Do Part 5 comments
Nope, nope, nope. Kayda, don't you dare sleep with Wyatt just because you think you might die and want to experience it. Thinking she doesn't have the strength her mother does, Kayda doesn't know her own strength obviously. Perfectly normal, yet a magical barrier around the egg so it can't be fertilized, curious. Kayda in that bad of shape, they need help now! Bear form to help keep her warm, hope it helps.
So HM was behind the bullies messing with Danica, all to set up a trap for Kayda, yet she isn't even here. Too bad for you, monster. Ugh, this...things way of thinking is twisted, thinking the Future Superheroes are being bullied by Stephen into doing the right thing. Oh, this is a very bad idea, trying to kill Marty and Stephen, you might as well plant a mine beneath yourself and sit on it at that point.
Marty invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the Nalley family, she will find Stephen's parents very accepting of her. Dang, Marty has a lot of fears, hope meeting the Mr. and Mrs. Nalley removes them. They are so cute together, the teasing banter and now tickling. Poor Hippy reminded her lover is still missing.
Mrs. Carson suiting up in her Lady Astarte costume, things are very serious for her do this. A hidden passage into the Alexander Room in her office, this is something we didn't know about. Wait, it's a hidden dimension which Clifford Alexander told her about in a letter delivered 5 years after his death, whoa. The magical equivalent of a nuclear arsenal, yikes. King Wenceslas' Chalice, drinking from it filling her Well with Essence, now that is a powerful artifact.
Now that is a magical workshop. Okay, now I'm curious what Zoe is. *facepalms* Stereotypes of servants, curious why. Tobin's Spirit Guide, just love that something from Ghostbusters exists in the setting. An Astral Tunneling Ritual, so Mrs. Carson is going in after Lanie and Tansy.
They have no idea what the thing they are facing is, and I'm not so sure we do either anymore. Kigatilik when it attacked at the school before there wasn't a snowstorm like this following it. So either he can choose stealth and forgo the snowstorm or this creature is something else.
Dump oil on it and then light that sucker up! Flaming arrows and a psychic attack by Tansy, burned and the threat is over before it can truly attack. Nice to see both tribes work together so well, quickly coordinating their attacks like that.
Coyote watching them defeat the demon, Carson showing up and accusing him of being behind the mana storm, yet it is someone else he has given no aid or comfort to. Wait, this creature exists both in the physical and astral and they had to defeat the astral half first, interesting. Betty Brant, her oldest name, now that is interesting.
An old fugitive who escaped his embrace, okay it has to be HM he is talking about, someone as relatively young as Reverend Englund would not be called an old fugitive by the likes of Coyote.
Least expect to find them, least expect to find them, need to read over the other clues again.“Monsters hide where you least expect to find them,” he warned.
But the point of a demon hiding in the Astral Realm, but what would have drawn it there. A monk talking to Domnall about Laneth, meaning this is after she was killed. Laneth's journal's, to give to their daughter, whoa.
Ah, so it was Kigatilik after all. Wonder why when he went to the school previously he didn't use the mana storm to hide his approach?"She was quite a scholar for the age,” the spirit replied. “Brother Rupert would return to his cell in the Monastery of Obar Dheathain, with poor Laneth's writings where they remain, to this day, misfiled in the archives as a box of personal effects.”
Danica, what are you thinking sneaking around alone. Ah, girl's bathrooms without those creeps following. Miki Koizumi feeling betrayed by Danica not telling her she was Danny, a lie of omission. Hehehe, I like Miki, not upset and just wants to introduce Danny/Danica to anime, working up to Ranma 1/2.
Eep, she bounces back fast and barrels straight on.Miki's smile broadened. "Like Japan, you will. We will be team - Kitty Boy and Kitty Girl when Danny. Kitty Girls when Danica. Like Ranma. We tell stories, help write new anime? Big audience in Japan. Famous, yes?" She took Danica's arm in hers, and led her out of the restroom.
Girls fighting over Danny/Danica, Amelie saying he is her boyfriend, Danny practicing Tai Chi in the morning with Dickinson and Whitman girls watching him, how does he survive to senior year with all those girls after him. Roslyn taking responsibility for Danica as a Poe RA, good.
Ooo, astral self destroyed so Kigatilik is vulnerable, goodie. Wait, which shaman is he after besides Kayda? The First Shaman, does that mean Mr. Lodgeman. Oh crud, the will of the Old Ones and shelter for Kigatilik, darn it! Ah, it thinks a human dabbled in such things, wonder how shocked he would be to encounter HM.
Marissa sitting down with Ms. Hartford and offering her a cup of coffee, this will be an interesting chat. Yeah, Tansy inherited a lot from her mother, this woman is not to be underestimated ever.
Yikes, implied threat from Marissa if harm should come to Tansy due to Hartford.“Tansy has been resolute in her morals and ethics, an impression I believe she got from you, no matter how young she was at the time. She recognized her father for the petty, mean-spirited bully he is. We've talked at length about her views of right and wrong, lines she won't cross, and rules that sometimes need to be bent for...the betterment of all.”
*eyes bug out* Never harm Tansy and never cross Marissa.
I pity the poor soul foolish enough to get on the bad side of both these women. Tansy's awake, finally! Lanie awake and notes it stopped snowing. Finally, they can go and rescue Kayda and Wyatt.The expression on Marissa Dawson's face didn't change for several moments, then one of the coldest smiles Amelia had ever seen bloomed upon it. “Amelia, I believe you and I are going to be friends.”
Lanie first to the teepee, Lanie and Tansy greeting Wyatt in a tearful embrace. Ophelia Tenent is not a woman to argue with on medical matters. This was close, hope Kayda recovers quickly as I think Kigatilik is coming back sooner than anyone expects.
Lord Paramount in his private plane and getting a call from Ms. Hartford, landing in 40 minutes, hope they have dinner together after all this. Whoa, seeing Hartford flirting with him like that, the students would get whiplash from turning their heads in shock at hearing her speak in such a tone and say such things.
Wyatt telling the truth about what happened in the teepee, yet Tansy seems to think they did more than cuddle to stay warm and talk. Hehehe, having to get Kayda to tell Lanie what they talked about, Wyatt loves this. Bwahaha, thinking that Kayda will want to join them, Tansy can tease him so well.
Service at that water pumping station restored by lunch, a work crew with Stan and Morrie work fast. Back to the regular schedule by tomorrow, now that is a quick recovery.
HM is a lot more dangerous than I thought before, I thought he just kept possessing new students.“Amelia, I think we're looking for an adult that is posing as a student. Someone who should already be dead and has either reincarnated himself or otherwise turned back the hands of time. And anyone capable of doing that is far more dangerous than we previously have planned on.”
Oh crud, I was close with my first guess. Wait, the above sounds like the New Olympians. Male, not in the magic track, which of the NO matches that and is a junior or senior now." “Free of his old hallow, this monster could have subsumed a child, murdered their soul and assumed their life. Its the ultimate disguise.”
Traces of Kigatilik at the Warding Well on the west side of the Campus, a move on Parent's Day, oh crude. And Hartford gets to enjoy her dinner with her boyfriend, cute.
Lanie working on a writing project and Rosalyn shows up to talk. Rosalyn, don't talk about Lanie's little brother like that to her, ew doesn't begin to cover it. Danny might self-harm, I hope Ros is wrong. Rosalyn wanting to see Tansy at the Hot Tub social, oh brother. Well, that is one way to get Rosalyn to leave, have Tansy show up to talk.
Tansy, Lanie didn't want you to do this, you are acting too much like your father by doing this. All those emotions coming out, Lanie saying it is so wrong, yet...Hooper Arrested For Child Porn! The headline blared. Then underneath, Secretary of State discovered to possess massive cache of child pornography in Ethics Probe.
And then thisAh should tell you you should never have done this. But, God save me, all Ah can think about is that Ah hope this monster is raped every day in prison for the rest of his God Damned LIFE! And when he's dead Ah hope he burns in hell being raped for eternity!”
After what that man did to her family, it is hard not to agree with her.She wanted to disapprove, but she couldn't. Elaine knew she should scold Tansy, but she didn't. She knew she shouldn't be happy about she had done, but she was. She was fiercely glad he would suffer, and there was nothing else to do but live with it.
The Archives at Aberdeen Monastery now. Brother Adam Bruce. A friar going looking for something from Brother Rupertus Calvert from the Eighth Century, is he going to steal Laneth's journals? A Hope Chest, oh, Mrs. Carson had told them about the journal, guess he is going to translate it. The Title will be a best seller.
All the things we learned about Laneth's time, her journals, how Coyote used Lanie and Tansy to defeat Kigatilik's Astral form. The chats between Wyatt and Kayda as they fought to survive, some insight into Coyote and how he operates, the threat of a mana storm and how it can cripple nearly everyone, terrifying. Plus poor Danny being outed as Danica and how Stephen and Marty got the FSH to step up on an issue which has needed it for a long time. Plus Tansy's little revenge operation and how Lanie reacted, just perfect. Can't wait to see how Danny deals with being outed as Danica in further stories, how the FSH deal with bullies messing with LGBT individuals, plus what happens with Kigatilik recovers and attacks again. Excellent writing, E.E., and elrod.
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null0trooper wrote:
Yolandria wrote: And now part 5 of our current story is up and about. Will they solve the riddle? Will they make snow globes? Who knows! But post in the section below once you find out!
I don't know... Doesn't it say something about the querent when they put more stock in Coyote's words over Raven's same message in a matter of death?
Regarding the snow globe crisis: Gotta hand it to him, the old mutt did manage a couple of sweet tricks of his own.
Coyote is a trickster, but a common trait in trickster spirits/gods/beings, is that they seldom lie, deceive yes but they don't lie. In addition this provides two sources of information, slightly different to get a clearer and more certain picture
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Excellent work!

Much chewiness.

More chewiness than i can really comment on without writing another long tangent-filled rant.
It was worth the wait.
To continue some of the speculations in this thread.
Remember that Coyote is a Trickster spirit. Both of-the-tribe and not of-the-tribe. Like Loki, both maligned, and, under-appreciated; with PR that has been written by the victors. The current representation of Coyote is one that he would enjoy, though it doesn't really scratch the surface of Coyote's un-human primal nature. Bonus points for emphasising the teaching aspect of his behaviour. ( Coyote, wearing one mask or another, probably inspired Prometheus. "There's something shiny at the top of that mountain." )
As others have mentioned, the Poe secret is a multi-layer cake, and yes, sometimes insanity is a good cover for all kinds of other things
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The emphasis on the narrower focus of everyone else's sexuality could link back to The Braeburn Report. Heightened fertility and attractiveness of Exemplars caused by the Sidhe's use for them in breeding more troops quickly..
The magical shield for Kayda's ovum, suggests that WA are using some form of magical contraception, but this has been speculated about in thread's past, though this is one of the first time's that it has been explicitly described, so we don't know if it's specific to Kayda, or if it's generally used on every student.
Jobe and Harley, along with Vamp, Marty, and Jimmy T...?


Jobe trying to continue in his father's footsteps, but it could also be an aspect of Jobe's expression of Galahad's Syndrome. Let's hope that it's positively expressed...
As for Nimbus's cover identity, while Nimbus is described using a male pro-noun, this does not proscribe the author's using Nimbus as a male-soul-in-a-female-body, so when Nimbus is referring to himself as male, it would not stop the cover identity being female.
I'll put two cup-cakes on an outside chance of it being SuperChick!

Definitely looking forward to the next episode.

Measure Twice
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Hardric wrote:
We only saw a litttle more than one year of Whateley, and even if it was an extraordinary one, there can't be that much seemingly special cases like these ones or the Kimboids every year to deflect the suspiscions about a dorm with specifics magical wards and a very strict entry policy like Poe.
This isn't a special year at Whateley.
This is what it's like EVERY year.

Look at the last part of the "Shoulder Angel" stories.
Remember all of the other futures that the finger-twiddlers see, that they make sure don't happen.
All of the things we are reading, are the futures that they see as more acceptable than the alternatives...

Measure Twice
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mhalpern wrote:
Generate enough heat to melt the snow and ice with Hartford of courseMalady wrote: Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??
I want to say called it, but that was a pretty obvious conclusion
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mhalpern wrote:
Generate enough heat to melt the snow and ice with Hartford of courseMalady wrote: Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??
I want to say called it, but that was a pretty obvious conclusion
Well, to be fair, Ms Hartford and His Highness are in fact quite taken with each other.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Dreamer wrote: So HM was behind the bullies messing with Danica, all to set up a trap for Kayda, yet she isn't even here. Too bad for you, monster.
Both he and TWFKAH have been shown working that angle. Birds of a feather and all that...
Dreamer wrote: Poor Hippy reminded her lover is still missing.
I'd meant to point out earlier that that was nicely handled.
Dreamer wrote: They have no idea what the thing they are facing is, and I'm not so sure we do either anymore. Kigatilik when it attacked at the school before there wasn't a snowstorm like this following it. So either he can choose stealth and forgo the snowstorm or this creature is something else.
When it returned to its lair, it was shown thinking about a surprise it bring to bear. Obviously it would be some hefty cold magic, not just because of the lore but also because he wanted to make both shamans and the pack stalker suffer.
Dreamer wrote: Wait, this creature exists both in the physical and astral and they had to defeat the astral half first, interesting.
It's one of the reasons you don't want to torque off a shaman or an astral mage enough to get their hands dirty. You might not see them coming, and you won't know how bad off you are until the symptoms start progressing.
Dreamer wrote: Ah, so it was Kigatilik after all. Wonder why when he went to the school previously he didn't use the mana storm to hide his approach?
He had an element of surprise (It was pointed out that ARC thought he was aiming for Boston and not necessarily Whateley) and ran into two shamans to munch on outside of the school's boundary. Also, he wouldn't have known until he got there that he had some serious protections to get past. The storm does double duty in draining available essence and - unless they're living in a bunker - freezing the ward's maintainers to death.
Dreamer wrote: Danny practicing Tai Chi in the morning with Dickinson and Whitman girls watching him, how does he survive to senior year with all those girls after him.
1. Good! He needs to get in touch with his body.
2. Beefcake, cheesecake, what's your pleasure, ladies?
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That Hartford-Dawson Alliance! Wow!
That non-sexual non-tension between Kayda and Kodiak was nice! ... And her thoughts on being a "natural parent". Totally cool, and informative of her thoughts! ... Also Tansy and Elaine wondering about what happened in the Teepee. Lol!
The Kodiak Bracer. Have we seen it before? Seems new, but I dunno.
Hmm... That Chalice. Get Eldritch to make a copy or something? ... Don't think its the Holy Grail, but don't really know much about it.
Free Will. Yes. What is it? *shrugs*, Chessmaster can't account for it, so it likely really isn't totally deterministic or something? That topic's quicksand.
If the "material world" is just a really big part of the March of Dreams, what's the difference? ... Then again, from the Thread on the Astral and stuff, we know that there are places that are totally not magical / astral / whatever, so... Something?
Expected the Kigatilik Astral Form battle to be harder, but hey, he's devoting a lot of his power on the material plane and stuff.
Interesting how Zoe's called Zoe, when apparently, all its forms have been male? Then again, what's gender to a spirit??
The monster Hekate had called 'Master' sat at a table by himself and sulked as he half-heartedly ate scrambled eggs.
And:
A few girls were outside waiting, glaring at each other in turn, and then their attention turned to the door. There was an almost-instantaneous scramble as Amelie, then Peggy, and then two other Freshmen girls shoved their way, trying to get to Danica's side and push Miki and the others away.
"'E is my boyfriend!" Amelie's voice screeched angrily above the others as she clawed her way to Danica's side. "Leave 'im alone!"
[Did not expect! ... I really need to keep better track of who's in Danny's harem.]
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The Kodiak Bracer. Have we seen it before? Seems new, but I dunno.
Wyatt gets his bracers in North to Atlantis.
Malady wrote: If the "material world" is just a really big part of the March of Dreams, what's the difference? ... Then again, from the Thread on the Astral and stuff, we know that there are places that are totally not magical / astral / whatever, so... Something?
If you think of realty as a cloth, then the various metaphysical 'realms' could be marbles, placed on that cloth. The March of Dreams is a marble 'touching' the material realm marble. It is the bridge, or gateway if you will, where the Astral, all of those other marbles, touch the material realm. Now, this is just a broad metaphor of course, distance is a difficult subject when conversing about the Astral Realms, but Dreams are our gateway to them, as close as we once came to the reality as we please fluidity of Atlantis in its height.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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No, Hartford, of course not. Pay no mind to Alyss Morgan, Sara Waite, Caitlin Bardue, and Samantha Everheart. They're probably just more shards of Jade.The Evil That Men Do (Part 5) wrote: “Can you do that? Revert back to a child or...?”
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Kettlekorn wrote:
No, Hartford, of course not. Pay no mind to Alyss Morgan, Sara Waite, Caitlin Bardue, and Samantha Everheart. They're probably just more shards of Jade.The Evil That Men Do (Part 5) wrote: “Can you do that? Revert back to a child or...?”
While Ms Hartford of course is familar with the random aspect of age regression in mutant activation, she meant is there a reliable, on command way to do so. Consider. Never mind your super villain dreams of world conquest, ANYONE who has a spell that will perfectly result in targeted age regression will be rich beyond the dreams of avarice by the royalties alone. Set up a practice casting it? License to print money. We're not talking Bill Gates or Oil Shiek rich. No sir.
We're talking Alexander the Great, Mansa Musa rich; where you join the club of candidates for being the richest man in HISTORY.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
Kettlekorn wrote:
No, Hartford, of course not. Pay no mind to Alyss Morgan, Sara Waite, Caitlin Bardue, and Samantha Everheart. They're probably just more shards of Jade.The Evil That Men Do (Part 5) wrote: “Can you do that? Revert back to a child or...?”
While Ms Hartford of course is familar with the random aspect of age regression in mutant activation, she meant is there a reliable, on command way to do so.
Samantha Everheart wasn't mutation, but nanites altering a body to fit a template drawn from a picture or something?
Although, that was Roberta Terry's devise... ... Speaking of high levels of physical alteration by nanites... Does Compiler age?
But her nanites are finicky...
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This wasn't a natural snowstorm, he was starting to fear.
Wyatt? I'm fighting an irresistible envy of going 'Well, Duh!' there. Take note of the sacrifice.
"I ... I d-d-don't want to f-f-freeze to d-d-death." Her shivering was getting more intense, and she shook as she sobbed.
There, there, you won't... I'm sure you can even eat some of Kigabidule someday, roasting on a great bonfire...
"D-d-debra and I ... we ... we w-w-wanted to have a f-f-family," the girl said out of the blue.
And, we don't see a trace of it in G2... Events around Elaine put a damper on the idea, or more hopefully they're going for 'later'?
"I ... I guess I knew that s-s-someday, if we're g-g-going to do that, then I'll h-h-have to ...." Her voice trailed off but her meaning was only too clear. Now there was an element of revulsion and not just cold in her shivering.
And people think about Kayda having sex, even with Wyatt, when she got reactions like this?
The Lakota girl was silent for almost a minute. "I'm afraid. W-w-we aren't going to m-m-make it, are we?"
Just because you talked family and future in a situation of seemingly certain death? Shaman of little faith...
He saw the magical barrier around the egg that no sperm would be able to penetrate, but decided not to split hairs. “You are perfectly normal,” he declared.
Lying to the patient to make them feel better before dropping the hammer when no choices are left. First step of being a doctor completed.
No, the Kodiak admitted. Do your best to keep her warm.
Wyatt shifted into his bear from without waking Kayda, giving her one last layer of fur to try and trap her precious body heat. Anything else?
Pray, the spirit said grimly.
No lording over, no detours, no 'pah, me Atlantean would be fixing it so easily', just clear and relatively kind words and relying on outside help from Bedside Rug? Vile E., could you speed up that training session?
It should have driven the Franks girl mad with anger, driving her into the library to protect her freak sibling and right into his waiting trap. But the bitch wasn't even here! And it wasn't Kayda who had come to her brother's defense, but the school laughing stock, Marty Penn and her dolt of a lover!
Eh ducker, if you've got complains, go outside and scream them at Kigabidule's face. Let me just the time to find a transat, a camera, a parasol, fresh drinks, a little table and some popcorn.
It seemed clear that Sayyid had wanted nothing to do with Stronghold's crusade of faggot protection.
Evil Can't Understand Good. Now the nudging was done, I very much doubt Saladin will step back. Also, you're forgetting Hippolyte.
There was nothing else for it, Martine Penn and Stephen Nalley had to die.
A cruel smile turned up the corners of The Master's face. And he knew just how to accomplish it.
Riveting. Wait I've got the stuff I mentionned before trying that. Would hate missing the backfire.
“Hey, at least we aren't chasing my crazy sister and getting into a major battle like when I met your folks!” She crossed her arms over her chest peevishly.
Don't diss Number One way to meet the folks, Marty.
“Hey!” declared Hippy from the other side of the table. “Knock it off or go get a room!” But for once, the senior didn't seem angry in her declaration. In fact, she looked quite sad and looked away at the snow, still falling outside.
Yeaaaah, I remember her personal life has been rather shitty (euphemism) before Whateley. Beat up bullies weekly, the blues will go away. More if you don't notice any positive effect.
That the author of the letter had been dead five years was equally disturbing, but then, Clifford Alexander had always had a side he hid very carefully from others.
And that reference led me to one Whateley story I missed, thanks. That guy seems just like the type for this sort of revelation though.
The letter had told her of the existence of the hidden dimension, attached just behind the wall of the bookcase as well as an inventory of its contents, the legacy of a lifetime of study of the Mystic Arts and collecting magical relics, which he was entrusting to her. It was the kind of cache that wizards would kill over, that dragons would horde once upon a time and supervillains would lust over finding.
Liz Carson, blue-collar child of the forties was terrified of it.
Well, at least you're well-equiped to deal with this sort of shit, nevermind the occult predators who would sell souls and worst to get the hoard, right? If you forget the bright side, you don't have much left.
The letter had not been entirely sanguine about what, exactly Zoe was. Dr Alexander had admitted that when he created the extra dimensional pocket the Alexander Room resided in, Zoe had been waiting for him when he entered. It also stated that the...being...for lack of a better word had been his faithful confidant for the better part of fifty years. But he wasn't entirely certain he trusted the creature.
How about... Nope.
The men began to lift up the cauldron just as the Banshees got their arrow heads wrapped in the cloth Elaine had cut and dipped them into the stinking whale oil as it pitched over the side. The monster was covered in the oil, matting down its fur and drawing another roar. They lit the arrows in the fire and drew them back to their cheeks. “Hasta la vista, Baby!” whispered Elaine.
The arrows streaked away, leaving a trail of light and smoke marking their passing. At the same instant, Tansy lashed out with a wave of petrifying terror and for a split second, the creature froze, over come by the blast of emotion. The arrows sunk deep into the creatures chest, their fires igniting the oil soaked fur and it all but exploded in a roaring column of fire and black smoke. It flailed, blind, enraged and screaming its agony, but the only answer from the village was a hail of arrows, spears and rocks.
Well... That was quick and easy, though awesome. Now, onwards with flamethrowers to do that on the real Kigabidule.
“Surprised I penetrated your little mana storm?” she asked, arms on her hips as she looked down on the spirit.
*Record needle scratch* I'll... elaborate on that later.
“My mana storm?” Coyote asked slyly. “You misjudge me, prideful human who calls herself a goddess. I have not created any mana storm, nor given any aid nor comfort to the guilty party. Quite the opposite, in point of fact.” He indicated the smoldering heap with his nose. “What I have done is draw our students here so that they could defeat the Astral half of the Demon that is attacking your school.” He paused dramatically, then, in a mockingly hurt tone added, “You're welcome.”
Wait, that was Astral Kigabidule, and not just training but killing it? ...Need to see more.
“And shatter your belief in Free Will?” the Spirit replied with a toothy grin.
Vile E., when an expired godling begins to talk like that, I'm of the opinion of punching it in the mouth until it stops is the way to go. You don't want to be it. Bigger nasties tried and crashed and burnt. Also... Thanks for Carson's original name?
“She was quite a scholar for the age,” the spirit replied. “Brother Rupert would return to his cell in the Monastery of Obar Dheathain, with poor Laneth's writings where they remain, to this day, misfiled in the archives as a box of personal effects.”
Elizabeth's eyes widened. “Do you realize what a treasure...?”
“Ten years worth of writings of a Pict girl on her life in Iron Age Scotland in Latin that can still be read?” Coyote asked, twitching an ear. “I imagine priceless sums it up. You're welcome.”
That's called bribing. Nice bribing though. Keep it up, and watch a little more a certain Monkey King.
Coyote curled his tail around his paws as the priest settled the box on the back of his mule and turned north. “Kigatilik has been slain in the Astral. Now go finish him off and protect your...our...students. When next we meet, Elizabeth Carson, perhaps you will think more kindly of me. We are both teachers, after all.”
Keeping it for the last mention of Kigabidule on that part of the story.
She started as she emerged from a stall; another girl was standing by one of the sinks. "Hi, Miki," Danica said uneasily.
"You ... lied to me," Miki Koizumi said, half accusingly and half sounding betrayed. "Desu ka?"
Digging up memories... Ah yes, the Japanese catgirl who had... problems about it and didn't know about Danica. Awkward.
Miki's hand lifted Danica's chin as the Japanese girl looked eye-to-eye at Danica. "I ... saw how ... bullies ... acted. Understand your fear, I do."
Well, hard to argue 'why didn't you just tell me?' when you that happens.
"You not watch anime much? Ranma 1/2?"
Ranma wishes he got the sort of 'stability' Danny have about the changes.
Danica winced as the girls fought over her, even when she was in her female form. She was no longer surprised that girls were attracted to her Danny form; Danny had gotten in the habit of doing Tai Chi early every morning with several other Poesies under the supervision of Chou, and over a dozen girls from Dickinson and Whitman were often present, watching him with what he'd come to recognize as dreamy eyes. She didn't exercise in the Danica form, though, to avoid doing something that would link the two. But as Danica? He could understand some of the Poe girls - like Roslyn - but the other cottages? Was it because they had some hidden bisexuality, or because like Miki, they saw Danica as a potential friend to help them get an edge in getting Danny's attention.
After Pussycat... I'm on the fence here. Miki is the one I'm more supportive of right now, but every time I see Danny called Kitten, I bristle... Wait and see.
"True," Roslyn retorted calmly, "but since she's not here, and since I'm the senior RA, Danica is my responsibility." She gently but insistently pushed herself between half of the girls and Danica. "Let's get you a nice cup of tea, and then we'll find a quiet place to talk about how we can help you with this new ... unpleasantness."
Someone else than Tansy not abusing Danny/using him as some sort of sex toy? Pinch me.
Now the First Shaman would live! The thought was an abomination and cost the wounded creature life as it lashed out out of reflex and pure rage.
Well, that was a fast crumbling...
And in that final outburst it felt something. Something called to it, something powerful and vile. The Shaman Hunter followed the wall that anchored the Warding between all the planes to the physical realm. There, in a loose brick, there was hidden the power of the Great Powers. Some one had indulged in forbidden knowledge, lusting for unspeakable power and had hidden their tools in the wall itself so as to turn the ward against itself and disguise what should be a beacon of power to those with eyes to see it. Kigatilik stumbled to the wall and reached out, feeling the will of the Old Ones. Here he would find sanctuary, here he would lick his wounds and heal.
And if the foolish human who dabbled with things beyond its comprehension should return, it would nourish Kigatilik and make him that much stronger.
And now we're getting an idea of what Round 3 will look like. Hope you appreciate your future new boss, Kigabidule.
Hartford smiled and looked at the sleeping teen. “She reminded me a great deal of myself. Still does on occasion. I like to think I've given her good advice and steered her clear of some of the landmines I stepped on early in life.”
*Think about Solange's Alpha days*... Fuck, morbid fascination is winning, I want to know about these landmines.
Now, looking into the eyes Tansy had inherited, she saw that same intellect, seeing everything and giving nothing away hiding behind a Boston Brahmin geniality and gentry upbringing. “I like to think I've aided Tansy in building a solid foundation she can build upon, if she so chooses. She has impressed some very...influential...people who are very taken with her abilities.”
Well, there was to be more to this marriage than looks at first. Besides, she works in the domain of law. And everyone knows they all sell their soul. Lawyers are just the more well-known case.
“Dr. Hartford, let me speak plainly,” she said quietly. “There are not words to express how much my daughter means to me, nor to describe how unspeakable I would be in her defense.” Her eyes came up from the cup and they were as hard and cold as any hardened killer Amelia had ever worked with, or against. She smiled and let her own mask slip for a moment.
“Ms. Dawson,” Hartford replied in the same tone. “Anyone who harms your daughter will have both of us to deal with. And you are likely far more forgiving of such offenses than I would be. As an officer of the court, with lines you cannot cross. Rules...don't concern me.”
The expression on Marissa Dawson's face didn't change for several moments, then one of the coldest smiles Amelia had ever seen bloomed upon it. “Amelia, I believe you and I are going to be friends.”
At this moment Mr. Walcutt felt an irrepressible sense of dread, just knowing his days were numbered.
Paramount's face brightened immediately. “Thank you, Gregor. See that I'm not disturbed while I take this call.”
Why am I suddendly reminded of that Spaceballs scene with the action models... In a more diginified version of course.
“Minx,” he accused.
“Mink,” she countered. “They make love for hours.”
“I'll just go and inquire with the pilot if he can urge a few more knots out of this bird.”
“I'll be waiting...”
Some people would do very much for footage of this conversation... Unfortunately Hartford and Paramount are ready to even more to keep it secret.
“Are we going to have to plan on a much bigger bed?” Tansy deadpanned, arching an eyebrow.
Actually a good point. Kayda is sort of coming along with Debra if it ever happened, so there is this actually important consideration.
“Yes, we'll be back to regular schedules tomorrow,” Hartford concluded. “How did your 'Mystic Mumbo-Jumbo go?”
Duck, you're better at the 'show must go on' than all of Vegas. *Simpers black coffee*
Up until now we've assumed we were looking for a student, someone foolishly dabbling in forbidden knowledge whether for thrill, lust for power or simply teenage stupidity.
*Record needle scratch**Spittake* What? Seriously? Rant for that later.
“There are...rituals...rumored whispers of the desperation of cowards unable to face their final days that can remove the anchor of a soul to the Hallow of its body.”
“What good...” started Amelia, then she blanched as her mind caught up with her mouth. “Dear God...”
Carson nodded. “Free of his old hallow, this monster could have subsumed a child, murdered their soul and assumed their life. Its the ultimate disguise.”
Just the 'right' sort of nasty to expect from a person dabbling in Mythos, heck just really dark magics. I recommedn flamethrowers. The purification value.
“Last I heard she had found traces of the demon you spoke of at the Warding Wall on the west side of the Campus, but they just stop there. She's expanding her search, and her next check in is in thirty minutes.”
“I want you to call a staff meeting of the magic department,” Carson ordered. “This thing could be plotting a move for Parent's day. We need to reconsider our approach in light of this new information.”
So Round 3 with Kigabidule confirmed. Friendly advice, try to nail him before he noms too much Mythos Crap.
Amelia smiled. A great part of the awe she held for Elizabeth Carson was that for all her larger than life, legendary status, she never forgot to be a person. She had a life outside of the life, and made sure her subordinates did too. “Thank you, Liz.”
Or that's survival instinct telling her to not interfer on your alone time.
“Ew!” exclaimed the red head, but the playfulness of Rosalyn had left as quickly as it arrived. “I think you need to keep an eye on Danny. He...she...ugh, we need more pronouns! Danny is really shook up over it. Maybe to the point...of...self harm,” she finally managed to say.
Finally more people giving an actual fuck about Danny, hurray! ...Could have worded it better.
Rosalyn made a dismissive gesture. “Hey, don't feel the need to defend who floats your boat. You're into bad girls, not my place to wag a finger.
And a good point is risen. Tansy has got more than two years of ducking out rep sticked to her. And if you're not close to her, it doesn't just go away.
The blonde reached out and took Elaine's hands. “I...he hurt you. And I won't stand for that. The GBI was already looking at him and I...” She swallowed. “I paid daddies men to give them something to find. Something that would make sure he got what was coming to him.”
Don't torture yourself too much on that. Your mom would have done something similar to you, legal way, and the more Elaine could protest about here is that you were the one to take the shot and not her.
“Ah...Ah should be angry,” she said, her whole body shaking. She put the newspaper on her desk and held Tansy's hands as she stared at it. “Ah should tell you you should never have done this. But, God save me, all Ah can think about is that Ah hope this monster is raped every day in prison for the rest of his God Damned LIFE! And when he's dead Ah hope he burns in hell being raped for eternity!”
Case in point.
“Get a cart,” Brother Bruce ordered quietly as he reverently gazed at the treasure he held in his hand. It would take some time to translate this older version of Latin, but already there was a title floating in the back of his mind.
Memoirs of A Banshee
Someone has been so much of a nice guy he earned a Christmas gift more than two monthes early.
The ride was a fun one, and I'm curious to see where it goes next. Now, for the people not wanting to go through the review.
And the magic contraceptive effect around Whateley is now official. Let's take te bets: how many young couples freshly out of Whateley end up with unexpected pregnancies when they discover their metabolism can't just be bothered to take notice of the pill and other contraceptives like it without a magical effect to help? Also, guess that thing with Elaine delayed Kayda and Debra's plans for a family. Unless they wanted to wait longer for this.
Also... Okay, I have to ask it again: How the heck Kigabidule was never even suspected by Carson and the rest of the staff? It doesn't seem like it's that big of a stretch to assume a link between 'arctic shaman-killer frightening fracking Totem' and 'giga-blizzard/mana storm'. At least it seems like more logic than 'Vile E. Coyote did it', and I hate it with a passion. And don't tell me they don't know about its presence, Lodgeman would have reported what the heck attacked him and the Outcasts, and between him, Grimes, and heck, just to think about the worst, students like Kayda, I'd think there would have more reflections about it coming back again for more mystics-munching.
And that Round Two with Kigabidule... It was a letdown for me. Sorry, but the opposition between the massive move he pulled out, reaching 'how the fuck wasn't he nerfed already' levels of OP, opposed to the fast and easy way he was defeated without nobody linking things together until once the dust settled... The disonnance is stinging for me. Don't get me wrong, the idea of 'target the weak point to have the threat collapse' is a great one, especially when the threat looks like a juggernaut like this, but... It doesn't work for me there. They never knew that was Kigabidule, they never searched and worked for that solution, it just fell on their lap, and worst, it was an outside help of an outside actor while they were just not getting it, pretty much a Deus Ex Machina where the human charaters are hardly relevant. Vile E. Coyote did the actual killing in my mind here, and frankly, it feels like a threat being removed off-screen, hardly worth the build-up it had or worthy of its precedent fight. I want to see how Round 3 will go (Rule Of Three isn't just magic), but that one... It just doesn't work for me.
And about the Master... It has been eight monthes since Skybolt and Cavalier were freed of that enthrallment. Eight monthes they know about this presence of Mythos Magic, eight monthes since they know Hekate had a Master to teach her that crap, a Master who had to overpower for her to not try to weasel out. Eight monthes since that Avatar Steal scam is know, something Carson knows is heavy-weight and beyond the scope of a few students, even in Whateley, given the very much game-changer way it was presented... And they still thought they were dealing with a mere vanilla student gone critical failure? Granted, they had confirmation he was disguised as a student only recently thanks to Tansy because Assholo forgot his life was hanging on telling them that, and Dupraeves and Wicked Bitches of the Great North exist, but even beyond the 'older than they look' examples already mentionned here, or the 'baby' demon babysat by Jade and Tennyo, come on, that's Whateleyverse! And it seems like one of the leading big sports of morally bankrupt supervillains is body-snatching, even without the cesspool Mythos Magic is, and if they know Hekate escaped the Black Hand, they must have doubts the Master as the magical chops to do it.
I would expect Don Assholo to believe that 'Nimbus' was a mere student, he's brain-dead enough for that, and would be gone but for a fiat of Fate (the fuck is that prophecy about...), or Ironwood, from RWBY. But that sort of shit is clearly beyond the scope of a student, even accounting for the Dupraeves or the Wicked Bitches of the Great North! And no, I'm not going '''Spacebattles competence''' mode here. Even discounting everything only we readers know about Nimbus/the Master, I can tell that sort of play isn't the thing of a student, and with nefarious magics, I'd say body-snatching can't be that big of a stretch, and I don't have the mystic experience of players like Carson, Grimes, Circe, Englund, Lodgeman... The only way I could see 'Vanilla student gone really wrong' work with this scenario would be if the kid had been eaten away by a Mythos thingie relocating to their corpse. And not much vanilla is left.
And to bounce back on what Mister D said, I think I put the finger on why I was bugged about Poe's secret: Stale Farce is damaging my suspension of disbelief. Between the fact she isn't affected by the oathes of secrecy and her willingness to break Poe's secret concerning changelings for the Attack Bitches, I can pretty well picture telling about the freshly brainwashed Attack Bitches recruited eventually knowing about Poe as LGBT Dorm too. And spills a secret like that enough time, and it's bound to go public, even if it's only the changeling part which is being spilled. And it only took the right/wrong moron with the right/wrong tools to achieve that result... And Life is the genre to gift that sort of package twenty a dozen, even in Real Life. Fifty years of Whateley at least, and Stale Farce is the first one?
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E. E. Nalley wrote: Stale Farce?
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Stahlfaust, from the Amazons, who's hiding an ability to gradually grinding to nothing magic thrown at her, like the oathes tied to Poe's secrecy, and has a massive hate-boner for changelings. Tao of Dresden: Always snark at the opposition. Especially when their names are straight lines like this.
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As for the rest of your questions, first, THANKS VERY MUCH for your comments, long detailed stuff like this is always a joy to read and I'm glad the Dreamer school of feedback is catching on!
For the battle, yeah, I can see how that might be a little unsatisfying, but this is one action in a larger war. Kiga could never be defeated until his Astral Form was as he isn't native to this plane. Without getting too technical, this is a pretty major victory, but the war is still on going.
Don't be too hard on Mrs Carson, you as a reader have an omniscient point of view that, even with unreliable Narration is a MUCH better source than what she has to work with. She is thinking of the 600 odd kids she is dealing with and the mischief they get into. Its not as obvious to her that these things are all related. In addition, she is fighting her own biases. It isn't as much as she thought it was a kid being stupid as much as she WISHED it was kid being stupid. That is much easier to deal with.
There were plenty of things going on in the last year there were not related to HM or TWFKAH, but she has no way of knowing what was connected and what wasn't.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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One thing that Hardric is forgetting is that Stahlfaust is a gen 2 character. So her idiocy has no effect on Poe as far as Danny goes. Sometimes, the best thing that can happen to something like Poe is someone like Danny. Everyone will (maybe not everyone) say, 'Nah, it's not possible that there's a whole dorm full of TG people or homosexuals.' This is sort of the way that people will disregard an obvious truth if it flies in the face of what they want to believe.Hardric wrote:
E. E. Nalley wrote: Stale Farce?
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Stahlfaust, from the Amazons, who's hiding an ability to gradually grinding to nothing magic thrown at her, like the oathes tied to Poe's secrecy, and has a massive hate-boner for changelings. Tao of Dresden: Always snark at the opposition. Especially when their names are straight lines like this.
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Maybe Kigi was able to interfere with their ability to communicate with their avatar? And the only reason that Vile E Coyote was able to do what he did was because he was underestimated and not blocked because the demon thought that he would not be able to have as much influence as he did...?Yolandria wrote: The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: For the battle, yeah, I can see how that might be a little unsatisfying, but this is one action in a larger war. Kiga could never be defeated until his Astral Form was as he isn't native to this plane. Without getting too technical, this is a pretty major victory, but the war is still on going.
Not native? He was constructed from a corrupted ur-human shaman and is hosted via a subsumed human shaman. Not entirely, but not entirely not.

Distinguishing among the limited omniscient reader's POV (For example, we know about things like the Rite of Renewal, the Bastard's hand in creating Kigatilik, etc.) and the character's POV (more extensive in off-screen matters, but otherwise limited to their experiences) is Important. For example, Circe and Mrs. Carson likely knew of several agents who could pull off a storm like this, from well-known mages with more stockpiled essence than sense, all the way up to an elder god (Nodens) or a GOO (Ithaqua). From the inside of the affected area it would be immensely difficult to determine who it was before they struck.
In this instance, even knowing Kigatilik was attacking doesn't automatically help. As far as we know, the Inuit lore available amounts to "If Kigatilik finds you, you lose everything." That in turn makes it unlikely that any mortal would know that Kigatilik was weakest where it intersects astral space. Not knowing the correct questions to ask renders the most extensive references, oracles, and experience ineffective.
Coyote might be one of the Big Boys, but I suspect that he is still bound by his own rules as to what he does within Whateley's physical plane. However, unlike the many gods who think they're good at it, the Trickster is an expert at the subtle art of fucking things up royally:
"Six words. 'Don't you think she looks tired?'"
... and down the dominos fall.
The rules allow Coyote to teach Tansy and Lanie a potentially-fatal but important lesson in a time and place of his choosing, because he is a Teacher. There's nothing in da Rulez that prevent the lesson from just happening to coincide with Kigatilik's attack in the present and Kigatilik's astral self just happening to notice a tasty treat in a part of the Dreaming near resources that could be used against it - perhaps a soul that just happens to be on a dream-quest right about then - that just happened to have been strongly anchored to a point in the past that just happened to have already been cleared for relatively recent lessons.
E. E. Nalley wrote: Don't be too hard on Mrs Carson, you as a reader have an omniscient point of view that, even with unreliable Narration is a MUCH better source than what she has to work with. She is thinking of the 600 odd kids she is dealing with and the mischief they get into. Its not as obvious to her that these things are all related. In addition, she is fighting her own biases. It isn't as much as she thought it was a kid being stupid as much as she WISHED it was kid being stupid. That is much easier to deal with.
Occam's Razor only leads to truth when the truth is more simple than the alternatives. Let's take the curious case of a student enrolled at Whateley Academy but not yet in attendence who did something stupid. How often could that possibly happen?
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Maybe Kigi was able to interfere with their ability to communicate with their avatar? And the only reason that Vile E Coyote was able to do what he did was because he was underestimated and not blocked because the demon thought that he would not be able to have as much influence as he did...?Yolandria wrote: The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.
If you look back, it seemed that Lodgeman and Sandra and company had defeated Kiggy. That's what would have been reported.
The snowstorm is NOT part of his normal attack - note that when he snuffed all the shamans on his little walkabout from Alaska to Bean-town, there were no major blizzards. That little lack would have been noticed as well. So what is this about? We shall see, but I can't say anything without giving away a bunch.
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Hardric wrote: And to bounce back on what Mister D said, I think I put the finger on why I was bugged about Poe's secret: Stale Farce is damaging my suspension of disbelief. Between the fact she isn't affected by the oathes of secrecy and her willingness to break Poe's secret concerning changelings for the Attack Bitches, I can pretty well picture telling about the freshly brainwashed Attack Bitches recruited eventually knowing about Poe as LGBT Dorm too. And spills a secret like that enough time, and it's bound to go public, even if it's only the changeling part which is being spilled. And it only took the right/wrong moron with the right/wrong tools to achieve that result... And Life is the genre to gift that sort of package twenty a dozen, even in Real Life. Fifty years of Whateley at least, and Stale Farce is the first one?
Stahlfaust is Gen 2, as noted. There have been a decade-worth of changes, and (like we authors did amongst ourselves) a LOT of debate about the ethics of the oath - which is essentially a sorceror's contract. Plus, it's been noted that Stahlfaust is more than a little fanatical in her hatred of changelings. Would a group beat the crap (and possibly life) out of Stahlfaust if she blatantly spilled the beans? No doubt. Regarding the spell, note that her power slowly (SLOWLY) dissolves spells that are cast on her. How fast? Not fast at all - long enough that she's had time to learn about what would happen to those who would give away Poe's secret. Slow enough that it's a useless power for combat or superheroing. Also slow enough that it wasn't noticed by the power-testing experts. Slow enough that she may not even be fully aware of how much of the spell has weakened and dissolved.
There is a lot yet to be revealed about Stahlfaust and the Amazons in Gen 2, so I'm not going to give away any secrets, but she really pushes the boundaries, driven by her extreme hatred (from origins yet to be revealed in Gen 2). She hasn't crossed the line - yet - but she's gotten close a few times. And she'll probably get close a few more times.
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Yolandria wrote: The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.
Kigatilik was specifically created to counter shamans, humans whose practices include spirit sight, astral projection, and spirit-talking. Wouldn't that logically require enough stealth and planning ability to blind-side the spirits they communicate with? What has been established is that an avatar, like Kayda, cannot even communicate with their spirits when cut off from or drained of essence
The authors established with Elyzia's visit with Raven that even experienced practitioners would have a difficult time because the storm was also raging through adjacent realities. Raven was also shown with a hole card that the other spirits mentioned don't have. I expect that the best that Sandra or other students can do is watch white-out conditions on the astral plane.
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null0trooper wrote:
Coyote might be one of the Big Boys, but I suspect that he is still bound by his own rules as to what he does within Whateley's physical plane. However, unlike the many gods who think they're good at it, the Trickster is an expert at the subtle art of fucking things up royally:
"Six words. 'Don't you think she looks tired?'"
... and down the dominos fall.
Nice Dr. Who reference.
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(External Hallow?-because the guy is uncomfortable with a spirit in him-and he is always outside the body having fun.)
Who does not even have any connection to any of the tribes who he is credited (Perhaps 1/16-1/32nd Cherokee-which has a Rabbit Trickster) who has a mix of French, Irish, Scotch, Dutch, German and English in him. (Ought to be fun in the march of dreams to dress)
Have him Dis a group of Japanese who are attempting to force a neighbor girl from an Exiled branch of a family to accept a 2-3000 year old Kitsune, by getting angry and mention that the United States has CHILD labor laws!
(referring to the Kitsune not the girl but she counts too.)
Steals all of her tails when the Kitsune gets uppity and shoots them off into the air which goes 8 different directions to land on the rear ends of certain native spirits (The last central stalk of the tail he hides...elsewhere)
Wow that is a stream of thought...Oh yeah, he also got into the guy's World of Darkness's Nuwisha Breed Book...and loved Laughing Manyskins later Known as Old Man Manyskins.
Poor Mrs. Carson...almost as bad as the poor guy who naturally had shoulder angels.
Meh silly head-cannon.
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Excellent point. Kigi definately wouldn't want to piss off Coyote due to mis directed hatred. But then again. Does Kigi even know Coyote's relative is there in the first place. All he knows is that there's shamans around and food for days.Hey, Carson may be worried about Coyote's interest in the Academy, but he has good reasons for not wanting it destroyed -- remember, his niece is a student.
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Hardric wrote: So, now is the finish for that story. Let's go...
And to bounce back on what Mister D said, I think I put the finger on why I was bugged about Poe's secret: Stale Farce is damaging my suspension of disbelief. Between the fact she isn't affected by the oathes of secrecy and her willingness to break Poe's secret concerning changelings for the Attack Bitches, I can pretty well picture telling about the freshly brainwashed Attack Bitches recruited eventually knowing about Poe as LGBT Dorm too. And spills a secret like that enough time, and it's bound to go public, even if it's only the changeling part which is being spilled. And it only took the right/wrong moron with the right/wrong tools to achieve that result... And Life is the genre to gift that sort of package twenty a dozen, even in Real Life. Fifty years of Whateley at least, and Stale Farce is the first one?
Actually Murphy tells Mrs. Horton that the spell is going to fail on her, and she will have to use her will not to tell. Sharisha spilled the secret to Diamondback. Thuban knows. Hell Marty and Elaine all but told Reach.
It hasn't been 50 years. Poe was originally a dorm for teachers. I am not sure when it became the LGBT Cottage, but remember that according to Mahren there were only 200ish students when he started.
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With that in mind, how long was Mahern a teacher before he manifested? Not long as I recall, less than ten years? And in that time, the population of students has tripled?Valentine wrote: It hasn't been 50 years. Poe was originally a dorm for teachers. I am not sure when it became the LGBT Cottage, but remember that according to Mahren there were only 200ish students when he started.
Is that because of the coming battle?
Is there some force or forces (we do know that Ptesanwi got impatient) at work to bring their avatars into the fight?
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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so I take it that maybe happened in the mid 80s- early 90s so not even all the gen 1 parents who went there would know the cover story for Poe. Does Amy's mom know the cover story?E. E. Nalley wrote: Poe became a student dorm in the early 80s due to needing more space and Melville being constructed. It becoming the LGBT dorm was one of Mrs Carson's changes about the time Hawthorne cottage was being built.
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So, it appears that Tabby was moved to Poe when it became the LGBT cottage. A likely excuse for the shuffling around of students is that Poe was not in use before that -- it originally was the "single teachers' dorm", and then it probably spent a while closed for "renovations." When it was reopened as additional student housing, it wouldn't be surprising to move a bunch of students from other cottages.
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So...was The Witch one of the named girls in Danny's harem, or was she one of the two "other Freshmen girls"?
It's a nice feeling that Tansy and Lanie are supporting Kayda. Speaking of which, it is kind of amusing that TWICE Kigatilik has heading into Whateley on his suggested objective to kill Kayda, and twice gotten roasted by someone else.
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Cool how the title uses "men" literally, instead of as a metronym or whatever, for all of humanity.
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And speaking of Coyote, that spirit makes me think of the beings in general. They're all dangerous, but for the most part not because they're necessarily malicious. They're instead dangerous because we have great difficulty in knowing and comprehending all the information available to such beings, and that makes their motives extremely hard to determine. Our limited understanding results in spirits appearing to act fickle and capricious for the most part, and that unpredictability is what is considered dangerous.
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Agreed, but Coyote always wants to promote himself as a teacher when he appears. He's unkind...well he is neither kind or mean, just blunt. However, his goal is personal growth.Ametros wrote: And speaking of Coyote, that spirit makes me think of the beings in general. They're all dangerous, but for the most part not because they're necessarily malicious. They're instead dangerous because we have great difficulty in knowing and comprehending all the information available to such beings, and that makes their motives extremely hard to determine. Our limited understanding results in spirits appearing to act fickle and capricious for the most part, and that unpredictability is what is considered dangerous.
Ptesanwi is kind, but she's also dishonest. She's still human, in a way. Coyote prides himself on only telling truths. It's who he tells what to that makes him seem devious and nefarious. And he is deliberately selective.
Now...Jade and Beltane and Thorn are bad. But I'd love to see Coyote v. Raven with Kayda or Danny caught in the middle.