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6 years 11 months ago #201 by E. E. Nalley
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  • joreymay wrote:
    For instance, it is readily accepted that Generator is in Poe because of her overt (and surprisingly dangerous) eccentricities, and not even suspected that she is there because of her sexual identity issues. As far as most students are concerned, there is no mystery to solve. Even when one of the residents is outed for a sexuality issue, that just reinforces the cover story.


    And not just Jade. Zenith is a well know bipolar type with Everything is GREAT(!) highs and No one will EVER love me(!!) lows. Hippy is, well, anger issues don't begin to cover it. Fey is apparently a full on schizophrenic who spent months last year looking for her spirit when she wasn't insisting she was a reincarnated Fairy Queen. Mokele' is a raging psychotic, Omega is a sociopath who doesn't care about ANYTHING. Go-Go is manic, Angel is obsessive compulsive, Boudacia is antisocial, etc, etc, etc.

    While there might be some who regret this cover, it is brilliantly self healing and works very well. Most of the kids just write it off. "Oh, you're a Posey? That explains it..."

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  • Hardric wrote: And last point about Dreamer's speculations about Englund... Between the wielding of Hellfire and the way he behaves, I think he was already thoroughly burned by whatever pulled up this scam with him, and he's painfully aware of it being Not Good News.


    He was clearly given an offer he couldn't refuse, not that everything since has gone to plan.

    On the other hand, we know of at least four persons (kinda, sorta, considering what passes for a resident in Dunwich) who would offer up souls against their own black debts: Hecate's Master/Nimbus, Charles Upton Darrow, TWFKAH, and Abigail.

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: While there might be some who regret this cover, it is brilliantly self healing and works very well. Most of the kids just write it off. "Oh, you're a Posey? That explains it..."


    It even works for others. "Dude's dating a Poesie. I don't think even devisors have meds for that."

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    joreymay wrote:
    For instance, it is readily accepted that Generator is in Poe because of her overt (and surprisingly dangerous) eccentricities, and not even suspected that she is there because of her sexual identity issues. As far as most students are concerned, there is no mystery to solve. Even when one of the residents is outed for a sexuality issue, that just reinforces the cover story.


    And not just Jade. Zenith is a well know bipolar type with Everything is GREAT(!) highs and No one will EVER love me(!!) lows. Hippy is, well, anger issues don't begin to cover it. Fey is apparently a full on schizophrenic who spent months last year looking for her spirit when she wasn't insisting she was a reincarnated Fairy Queen. Mokele' is a raging psychotic, Omega is a sociopath who doesn't care about ANYTHING. Go-Go is manic, Angel is obsessive compulsive, Boudacia is antisocial, etc, etc, etc.

    While there might be some who regret this cover, it is brilliantly self healing and works very well. Most of the kids just write it off. "Oh, you're a Posey? That explains it..."


    I forgot many people will just judge on flashy outliers rather than the whole of the group... And they probably forget idiots like Bravo, Nightdork and the likely none-too small number of headcases in the other dorms (Belphegor and Peeper also come to mind. Or heck, as far the random student is concerned, the whole group of the New Olympians), be it because of hormones, powers, crappy life...

    And that still don't mean everyone buys it. The Lit Chix in the past where curious about Poe (letting the one Poesie of the groupe, Selkie, in a funny situation there), and I believe I remember other peoples enertaining questions at a moment or another, like Flytrap who pretty much came within inches of it, even accounting for an initial lead. If nine people out of ten (or nineteen out of twenty) are credule enough to buy it without questions, the one remaining will just not keep it at that. And even if part of that number are conspiracy nuts...

    Okay, I'm defeating my own arguments there, but nothing can be that perfect or last forever, even a cover story like this. We only saw a litttle more than one year of Whateley, and even if it was an extraordinary one, there can't be that much seemingly special cases like these ones or the Kimboids every year to deflect the suspiscions about a dorm with specifics magical wards and a very strict entry policy like Poe. Heck, now I find myself thinking back to Vamp, and how Nex was unable to get the idea Zenith and Sahar were a couple. Denial and better psychics on their side probably, but what about telepaths or any other sort of ESP not willing to play along the rules or not controlling it ending up in vincinity of Poesies not having these advantages?
    6 years 11 months ago #205 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Hardric wrote: And that still don't mean everyone buys it.


    Of course not everyone buys it! When that happens, we call them stories! ;)

    More seriously, kids are just shallow. Spend some time around 14 or 15 year olds and look at how easily they are deflected, manipulated and steered. And while we consider 18 to be an adult, the human brain doesn't finish development until 25. This is why college 18-24 is almost universally considered this massive, eye opening experience, because it IS...

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  • Hardric wrote: Denial and better psychics on their side probably, but what about telepaths or any other sort of ESP not willing to play along the rules or not controlling it ending up in vincinity of Poesies not having these advantages?


    I suspect that most of those psychics are far too aware that the postmodernist claim of a "gender binary" is complete and utter nonsense. Likewise, angst over one's body and one's identities is part and parcel of adolescence - it's just kicked up a notch or two in general over at Poe.

    "Well, I'll say it again. Demons I get. People are crazy." -- D. Winchester


    I also suspect that the sociopaths among the psychics know they're Suspect #1 if word about the Poe Secret gets out.

    Mystics strong/skilled enough to bypass Poe's wards have even less trouble than the psychics in finding more important things to worry about.

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  • And here comes a review. Happy to have been able to work faster this time.

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    Now let's wait for the fireworks of the finale.
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  • Ultimately, it comes down to Word of God (or in this case, Word of TINCC) is that it does work, and we only know part of why/how it does. You can choose to drive yourself to distraction trying to "what about" it to death, but ultimately you are only hurting yourself. Your initial complaint was built on a false premise, and the rest has suffered from that faulty foundation.
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  • Also, the fact that there ARE known LGBTI*.* OUTSIDE Poe tends to muddle any line of reasoning that goes towards "Poe is the Alternative Sexualities dorm." Consider, yeah, Poe has Hippy, Mega-Girl, Pejuta, Pounce and Bladedancer... but then, Hawthorne has Jimmy T and Chimera, Dickinson has Gateway, Skids, Sizzler and Solange, Melville has Reach, Jobe and Belphoebe (and formerly Loophole), Stronghold (who is not gay, but has no problem dating a known TG and therefore is seen as gay by som) is in Twain, Saladin is not a Poesie either... and that's just the ones who are either out or not hiding very well. Even if somebody notices that Poe is overrepresented in the LGBTI*.* group, well, the bigot contingent would just think, "OF COURSE they are in the wacko dorm. I mean, you must have something wrong with your head to be gay..."

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  • Erin rolled her eyes. “Men and their frail little egos!”

    “Speak for yourself, Manly” jeered Powerhouse, from across the table, emphasizing Boudacia's ironic last name. The ardent feminist flipped him the bird.

    Come to think of it, have we seen Boudacia's last name? We already knew she is called "Erin", but I don't think that her surname had been mentioned.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: Also, the fact that there ARE known LGBTI*.* OUTSIDE Poe tends to muddle any line of reasoning that goes towards "Poe is the Alternative Sexualities dorm." Consider, yeah, Poe has Hippy, Mega-Girl, Pejuta, Pounce and Bladedancer... but then, Hawthorne has Jimmy T and Chimera, Dickinson has Gateway, Skids, Sizzler and Solange, Melville has Reach, Jobe and Belphoebe (and formerly Loophole), Stronghold (who is not gay, but has no problem dating a known TG and therefore is seen as gay by som) is in Twain, Saladin is not a Poesie either... and that's just the ones who are either out or not hiding very well. Even if somebody notices that Poe is overrepresented in the LGBTI*.* group, well, the bigot contingent would just think, "OF COURSE they are in the wacko dorm. I mean, you must have something wrong with your head to be gay..."


    Well, oving people in Poe in the course of the year would be so blatant a blind could see it... Although it raises the good point that back in 14, you don't have so many people with a sexuality set in stone...

    joreymay wrote: Ultimately, it comes down to Word of God (or in this case, Word of TINCC) is that it does work, and we only know part of why/how it does. You can choose to drive yourself to distraction trying to "what about" it to death, but ultimately you are only hurting yourself. Your initial complaint was built on a false premise, and the rest has suffered from that faulty foundation.


    Excuse me for feeling curious about a point of the worldbuilding quite important, wanting to know more about how it works because it's big enough it shouldn't be taken for granted, and not being able to start from an as completely healthy fundation as I would have wanted. No need to break out bolds and italics to stress the point.
    6 years 11 months ago #212 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Hardric wrote:
    Well, oving people in Poe in the course of the year would be so blatant a blind could see it... Although it raises the good point that back in 14, you don't have so many people with a sexuality set in stone...


    And there you just stumbled upon something we've been hinting about for years. Why DO these kids have such well developed sexual preferences? And we have even provided an answer, but that would be telling.

    Hardric wrote: Excuse me for feeling curious about a point of the worldbuilding quite important, wanting to know more about how it works because it's big enough it shouldn't be taken for granted, and not being able to start from an as completely healthy fundation as I would have wanted. No need to break out bolds and italics to stress the point.


    No harm, no foul, Hardric. I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...

    :ohmy:

    Seriously, this ending is going to blow you all away. I can say that with surety because every author who has joined after we finished planning and started taking new authors has asked, "So, what is REALLY going on?" And we say, "Oh, read the entry in the bible on REDACTED."

    And then we squeegie their brains off the walls and pour them back into their heads. :evil:

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    This is the first mention of Erin's last name. FYI

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  • It's the little things. There were a few funny moments i enjoyed a lot.

    “Hey,” a wit in the line remarked. “You pussys are in the wrong room, the girls bathroom is over there!” The line roared with laughter and David's face flushed with suppressed rage.

    And then Kayda finding out how endowed Wyatt actually is really put a smile on my face.

    He tried to shift himself discretely but her sense of balance was off and she grabbed at his leg to steady herself. “Oh...my...God...!” she exclaimed.

    Wyatt forced a laugh. “Uh, would you mind unhanding...?” She snatched her hand back like it was burned. “Sorry,” he said, feeling awkward and embarrassed for the first time around a girl in a long time

    Was a great counter point to the very serious nature of the event.

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  • As for Elle's absence, I suspect that she - and Fey, and maybe a few others with magical and/or cold related abilities like Suzan Chylds - have all taken a whack at it, with or without official sanction, and come up short. It just never got mentioned.

    The fact that those happen to be characters belonging to other authors, some of whom are now MIA, is coincidence. :-p

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...

    :ohmy:

    You lie! You simultaneously gain a sick pleasure like JG of us completely missing clues that the cabal thinks are super obvious, and disappointed that we gloss over or miss your painstakingly obvious (to the cabal) references.

    :lol:
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  • Katssun wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...

    :ohmy:

    You lie! You simultaneously gain a sick pleasure like JG of us completely missing clues that the cabal thinks are super obvious, and disappointed that we gloss over or miss your painstakingly obvious (to the cabal) references.

    :lol:

    True enough! There have been several (hundred) times where people would latch onto a throw away gag and worry it to death thinking they had The One True Clue to everything and we've torn 5 compartment holes into things but the Titanic just kept right on sailing like the Black Knight protesting 'tis but a scratch unnoticed.

    I think come graduation this year, folks are going to have more than one moment of embarrassment. When they're not railing like a George R. R. Martin fan screaming over the death of Jon Snow when Hekate's Master is unmasked. We'll see...

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Katssun wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: I plant all these clues because I like watching people chew on them and try to figure them out. That we have managed to string this out THIS long is simply amazing to me and at the risk of patting myself on the back, when this season is over everyone will be like...

    :ohmy:

    You lie! You simultaneously gain a sick pleasure like JG of us completely missing clues that the cabal thinks are super obvious, and disappointed that we gloss over or miss your painstakingly obvious (to the cabal) references.

    :lol:

    True enough! There have been several (hundred) times where people would latch onto a throw away gag and worry it to death thinking they had The One True Clue to everything and we've torn 5 compartment holes into things but the Titanic just kept right on sailing like the Black Knight protesting 'tis but a scratch unnoticed.

    I think come graduation this year, folks are going to have more than one moment of embarrassment. When they're not railing like a George R. R. Martin fan screaming over the death of Jon Snow when Hekate's Master is unmasked. We'll see...


    Oh come on, we all know Hekate's Master is really Aaaaarrrgh.

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  • Valentine wrote: Oh come on, we all know Hekate's Master is really Aaaaarrrgh.


    Yes, exactly...

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  • Hekate's master is Reverend Englund? Doesn't quite fit.
    Hekate's master is Nimbus, but we don't really know what disguise he's wearing among the students....
    Stone Bear has been posited, though I'm a bit suspicious of that red herring.
    There is very little doubt in my mind that the storm is caused by the shaman hunter.... That is the only certainty I have so far about the story.
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  • Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??
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  • Malady wrote: Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??

    Generate enough heat to melt the snow and ice with Hartford of course

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  • Hmmn, the recent revival of the discussion for "A Tenuous Blade" makes me wonder what is happening with Esoteric while this is going on, as well. Nothing good, I imagine. A trip to Doyle is almost certain to be involved.

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  • How about Diamondback?

    And speaking of people we haven't seen since a part, Action Tactical.
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  • Funny, I was just about edit my earlier post to mention that. Yeah, I imagine Sandra and Monica are going apeshit at this point, and maybe Jack and Caitlin, too - Eldritch is well-attuned to this sort of power, and Razorback's Avatar spirit pretty much exists to fight demons, much like the Scourge if on a vastly lower level.

    Same with pretty much anyone on the Dream Team, though like with Erin and Miranda, I expect that Dr Geintz is keeping them from trying anything foolish - or at least making sure they don't get too much residual harm from it.

    That's the problem. There are far too many people like that, both students and staff, who would know just how bad the forces behind this storm really are. This isn't the sort of thing that will be easy to keep a lid on, unless those same forces are also masking a lot of that.

    I expect that the CC (TINCC) do have some kind of explanation, though.

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  • The first thing that popped into my head when I read the description was "Wendigo" instead of Frost Giant...although the difference might be academic.

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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  • Schol-R-LEA wrote: That's the problem. There are far too many people like that, both students and staff, who would know just how bad the forces behind this storm really are. This isn't the sort of thing that will be easy to keep a lid on, unless those same forces are also masking a lot of that.

    I expect that the CC (TINCC) do have some kind of explanation, though.


    A super-cell storm of swamp gas proportions!

    It is already jamming psychic and magical perception. IIRC, folks like Heyoka and Esoteric are supposed to be very rare, so no one's likely to witness anything unless the shaman-eater wins the first round against Kayda and Cody.

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  • Malady wrote: And speaking of people we haven't seen since a part, Action Tactical.


    Oh, not to worry, we'll see the results of their handiwork by and by...

    :evil:

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  • I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?

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  • I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?

    That + a helping of Jade. "Kigi...Could you come here. You would look so amazingly cute with a dash of sparkles! And glitter!!!!...And don't forget the bow!" As she runs up to him a HK bag in each hand!

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  • Yolandria wrote:

    I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?

    That + a helping of Jade. "Kigi...Could you come here. You would look so amazingly cute with a dash of sparkles! And glitter!!!!...And don't forget the bow!" As she runs up to him a HK bag in each hand!


    I'm thinking that Jade is one of the last people you want facing Kigatilik. I think her "devices" might be vulnerable to a Demonic shaman killer.

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  • Valentine wrote: I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?

    I guess we have to ask the question, is Ember more of a Firestar, or is she more of a Charlie McGee?
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  • Katssun wrote:

    Valentine wrote: I do not condone this at all, but can we introduce Mr. Kigatilik to Ember?

    I guess we have to ask the question, is Ember more of a Firestar, or is she more of a Charlie McGee?


    More of a Charlie McGee, since Petshop is only about 5.

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  • And now part 5 of our current story is up and about. Will they solve the riddle? Will they make snow globes? Who knows! But post in the section below once you find out!

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  • Yolandria wrote: And now part 5 of our current story is up and about. Will they solve the riddle? Will they make snow globes? Who knows! But post in the section below once you find out!


    I don't know... Doesn't it say something about the querent when they put more stock in Coyote's words over Raven's same message in a matter of death?

    Regarding the snow globe crisis: Gotta hand it to him, the old mutt did manage a couple of sweet tricks of his own.

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    6 years 11 months ago #236 by mhalpern
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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Yolandria wrote: And now part 5 of our current story is up and about. Will they solve the riddle? Will they make snow globes? Who knows! But post in the section below once you find out!


    I don't know... Doesn't it say something about the querent when they put more stock in Coyote's words over Raven's same message in a matter of death?

    Regarding the snow globe crisis: Gotta hand it to him, the old mutt did manage a couple of sweet tricks of his own.


    Coyote is a trickster, but a common trait in trickster spirits/gods/beings, is that they seldom lie, deceive yes but they don't lie. In addition this provides two sources of information, slightly different to get a clearer and more certain picture

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  • I've only just read this thread now that the last part of this story is up.

    Excellent work! :D

    Much chewiness. :D

    More chewiness than i can really comment on without writing another long tangent-filled rant.

    It was worth the wait.


    To continue some of the speculations in this thread.

    Remember that Coyote is a Trickster spirit. Both of-the-tribe and not of-the-tribe. Like Loki, both maligned, and, under-appreciated; with PR that has been written by the victors. The current representation of Coyote is one that he would enjoy, though it doesn't really scratch the surface of Coyote's un-human primal nature. Bonus points for emphasising the teaching aspect of his behaviour. ( Coyote, wearing one mask or another, probably inspired Prometheus. "There's something shiny at the top of that mountain." )


    As others have mentioned, the Poe secret is a multi-layer cake, and yes, sometimes insanity is a good cover for all kinds of other things

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    The emphasis on the narrower focus of everyone else's sexuality could link back to The Braeburn Report. Heightened fertility and attractiveness of Exemplars caused by the Sidhe's use for them in breeding more troops quickly..

    The magical shield for Kayda's ovum, suggests that WA are using some form of magical contraception, but this has been speculated about in thread's past, though this is one of the first time's that it has been explicitly described, so we don't know if it's specific to Kayda, or if it's generally used on every student.


    Jobe and Harley, along with Vamp, Marty, and Jimmy T...? :D Ook! :D

    Jobe trying to continue in his father's footsteps, but it could also be an aspect of Jobe's expression of Galahad's Syndrome. Let's hope that it's positively expressed...


    As for Nimbus's cover identity, while Nimbus is described using a male pro-noun, this does not proscribe the author's using Nimbus as a male-soul-in-a-female-body, so when Nimbus is referring to himself as male, it would not stop the cover identity being female.

    I'll put two cup-cakes on an outside chance of it being SuperChick! :D


    Definitely looking forward to the next episode. :D


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    6 years 11 months ago #238 by Mister D
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  • Hardric wrote:
    We only saw a litttle more than one year of Whateley, and even if it was an extraordinary one, there can't be that much seemingly special cases like these ones or the Kimboids every year to deflect the suspiscions about a dorm with specifics magical wards and a very strict entry policy like Poe.


    This isn't a special year at Whateley.

    This is what it's like EVERY year. :D

    Look at the last part of the "Shoulder Angel" stories.

    Remember all of the other futures that the finger-twiddlers see, that they make sure don't happen.

    All of the things we are reading, are the futures that they see as more acceptable than the alternatives... :D


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    6 years 11 months ago #239 by mhalpern
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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Malady wrote: Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??

    Generate enough heat to melt the snow and ice with Hartford of course



    I want to say called it, but that was a pretty obvious conclusion

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    6 years 11 months ago #240 by E. E. Nalley
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  • mhalpern wrote:

    mhalpern wrote:

    Malady wrote: Wait... This is supposed to be 5 Parts... Lord Paramount hasn't been seen since Part 3. ... What's he gonna do in Part 5??

    Generate enough heat to melt the snow and ice with Hartford of course



    I want to say called it, but that was a pretty obvious conclusion


    Well, to be fair, Ms Hartford and His Highness are in fact quite taken with each other. :whistle:

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  • Dreamer wrote: So HM was behind the bullies messing with Danica, all to set up a trap for Kayda, yet she isn't even here. Too bad for you, monster.


    Both he and TWFKAH have been shown working that angle. Birds of a feather and all that...

    Dreamer wrote: Poor Hippy reminded her lover is still missing.


    I'd meant to point out earlier that that was nicely handled.

    Dreamer wrote: They have no idea what the thing they are facing is, and I'm not so sure we do either anymore. Kigatilik when it attacked at the school before there wasn't a snowstorm like this following it. So either he can choose stealth and forgo the snowstorm or this creature is something else.


    When it returned to its lair, it was shown thinking about a surprise it bring to bear. Obviously it would be some hefty cold magic, not just because of the lore but also because he wanted to make both shamans and the pack stalker suffer.

    Dreamer wrote: Wait, this creature exists both in the physical and astral and they had to defeat the astral half first, interesting.


    It's one of the reasons you don't want to torque off a shaman or an astral mage enough to get their hands dirty. You might not see them coming, and you won't know how bad off you are until the symptoms start progressing.


    Dreamer wrote: Ah, so it was Kigatilik after all. Wonder why when he went to the school previously he didn't use the mana storm to hide his approach?


    He had an element of surprise (It was pointed out that ARC thought he was aiming for Boston and not necessarily Whateley) and ran into two shamans to munch on outside of the school's boundary. Also, he wouldn't have known until he got there that he had some serious protections to get past. The storm does double duty in draining available essence and - unless they're living in a bunker - freezing the ward's maintainers to death.


    Dreamer wrote: Danny practicing Tai Chi in the morning with Dickinson and Whitman girls watching him, how does he survive to senior year with all those girls after him.


    1. Good! He needs to get in touch with his body.
    2. Beefcake, cheesecake, what's your pleasure, ladies?

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    6 years 11 months ago #242 by Sir Lee
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  • Hmmm... Wild Ass Guessing on the timeline, but I would think that their flirting began in late 2006, possibly during the post-Halloween meetings to deal with reconstruction and other fallout. It probably went "home run" during the Christmas/Winter vacations. It coincides with Hartford behaving less petty and bitchy. Yes, she still keeps her "Hartass" front -- but she doesn't seem to be going out of her way anymore just to fuck with students, like she did with, oh, Ayla and anybody who Lodgeman took an interest on.

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  • Malady wrote:
    The Kodiak Bracer. Have we seen it before? Seems new, but I dunno.


    Wyatt gets his bracers in North to Atlantis.

    Malady wrote: If the "material world" is just a really big part of the March of Dreams, what's the difference? ... Then again, from the Thread on the Astral and stuff, we know that there are places that are totally not magical / astral / whatever, so... Something?


    If you think of realty as a cloth, then the various metaphysical 'realms' could be marbles, placed on that cloth. The March of Dreams is a marble 'touching' the material realm marble. It is the bridge, or gateway if you will, where the Astral, all of those other marbles, touch the material realm. Now, this is just a broad metaphor of course, distance is a difficult subject when conversing about the Astral Realms, but Dreams are our gateway to them, as close as we once came to the reality as we please fluidity of Atlantis in its height.

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  • The Evil That Men Do (Part 5) wrote: “Can you do that? Revert back to a child or...?”

    No, Hartford, of course not. Pay no mind to Alyss Morgan, Sara Waite, Caitlin Bardue, and Samantha Everheart. They're probably just more shards of Jade.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote:

    The Evil That Men Do (Part 5) wrote: “Can you do that? Revert back to a child or...?”

    No, Hartford, of course not. Pay no mind to Alyss Morgan, Sara Waite, Caitlin Bardue, and Samantha Everheart. They're probably just more shards of Jade.


    While Ms Hartford of course is familar with the random aspect of age regression in mutant activation, she meant is there a reliable, on command way to do so. Consider. Never mind your super villain dreams of world conquest, ANYONE who has a spell that will perfectly result in targeted age regression will be rich beyond the dreams of avarice by the royalties alone. Set up a practice casting it? License to print money. We're not talking Bill Gates or Oil Shiek rich. No sir.

    We're talking Alexander the Great, Mansa Musa rich; where you join the club of candidates for being the richest man in HISTORY.

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote:

    The Evil That Men Do (Part 5) wrote: “Can you do that? Revert back to a child or...?”

    No, Hartford, of course not. Pay no mind to Alyss Morgan, Sara Waite, Caitlin Bardue, and Samantha Everheart. They're probably just more shards of Jade.


    While Ms Hartford of course is familar with the random aspect of age regression in mutant activation, she meant is there a reliable, on command way to do so.


    Samantha Everheart wasn't mutation, but nanites altering a body to fit a template drawn from a picture or something?

    Although, that was Roberta Terry's devise... ... Speaking of high levels of physical alteration by nanites... Does Compiler age?

    But her nanites are finicky...
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  • There are also body-swap devises which move the soul, personality, and memories from one body to another. Of course, that leaves behind the inconvenient old body inhabited by the (former) youngster.
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  • So, now is the finish for that story. Let's go...

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    The ride was a fun one, and I'm curious to see where it goes next. Now, for the people not wanting to go through the review.

    And the magic contraceptive effect around Whateley is now official. Let's take te bets: how many young couples freshly out of Whateley end up with unexpected pregnancies when they discover their metabolism can't just be bothered to take notice of the pill and other contraceptives like it without a magical effect to help? Also, guess that thing with Elaine delayed Kayda and Debra's plans for a family. Unless they wanted to wait longer for this.

    Also... Okay, I have to ask it again: How the heck Kigabidule was never even suspected by Carson and the rest of the staff? It doesn't seem like it's that big of a stretch to assume a link between 'arctic shaman-killer frightening fracking Totem' and 'giga-blizzard/mana storm'. At least it seems like more logic than 'Vile E. Coyote did it', and I hate it with a passion. And don't tell me they don't know about its presence, Lodgeman would have reported what the heck attacked him and the Outcasts, and between him, Grimes, and heck, just to think about the worst, students like Kayda, I'd think there would have more reflections about it coming back again for more mystics-munching.

    And that Round Two with Kigabidule... It was a letdown for me. Sorry, but the opposition between the massive move he pulled out, reaching 'how the fuck wasn't he nerfed already' levels of OP, opposed to the fast and easy way he was defeated without nobody linking things together until once the dust settled... The disonnance is stinging for me. Don't get me wrong, the idea of 'target the weak point to have the threat collapse' is a great one, especially when the threat looks like a juggernaut like this, but... It doesn't work for me there. They never knew that was Kigabidule, they never searched and worked for that solution, it just fell on their lap, and worst, it was an outside help of an outside actor while they were just not getting it, pretty much a Deus Ex Machina where the human charaters are hardly relevant. Vile E. Coyote did the actual killing in my mind here, and frankly, it feels like a threat being removed off-screen, hardly worth the build-up it had or worthy of its precedent fight. I want to see how Round 3 will go (Rule Of Three isn't just magic), but that one... It just doesn't work for me.

    And about the Master... It has been eight monthes since Skybolt and Cavalier were freed of that enthrallment. Eight monthes they know about this presence of Mythos Magic, eight monthes since they know Hekate had a Master to teach her that crap, a Master who had to overpower for her to not try to weasel out. Eight monthes since that Avatar Steal scam is know, something Carson knows is heavy-weight and beyond the scope of a few students, even in Whateley, given the very much game-changer way it was presented... And they still thought they were dealing with a mere vanilla student gone critical failure? Granted, they had confirmation he was disguised as a student only recently thanks to Tansy because Assholo forgot his life was hanging on telling them that, and Dupraeves and Wicked Bitches of the Great North exist, but even beyond the 'older than they look' examples already mentionned here, or the 'baby' demon babysat by Jade and Tennyo, come on, that's Whateleyverse! And it seems like one of the leading big sports of morally bankrupt supervillains is body-snatching, even without the cesspool Mythos Magic is, and if they know Hekate escaped the Black Hand, they must have doubts the Master as the magical chops to do it.
    I would expect Don Assholo to believe that 'Nimbus' was a mere student, he's brain-dead enough for that, and would be gone but for a fiat of Fate (the fuck is that prophecy about...), or Ironwood, from RWBY. But that sort of shit is clearly beyond the scope of a student, even accounting for the Dupraeves or the Wicked Bitches of the Great North! And no, I'm not going '''Spacebattles competence''' mode here. Even discounting everything only we readers know about Nimbus/the Master, I can tell that sort of play isn't the thing of a student, and with nefarious magics, I'd say body-snatching can't be that big of a stretch, and I don't have the mystic experience of players like Carson, Grimes, Circe, Englund, Lodgeman... The only way I could see 'Vanilla student gone really wrong' work with this scenario would be if the kid had been eaten away by a Mythos thingie relocating to their corpse. And not much vanilla is left.

    And to bounce back on what Mister D said, I think I put the finger on why I was bugged about Poe's secret: Stale Farce is damaging my suspension of disbelief. Between the fact she isn't affected by the oathes of secrecy and her willingness to break Poe's secret concerning changelings for the Attack Bitches, I can pretty well picture telling about the freshly brainwashed Attack Bitches recruited eventually knowing about Poe as LGBT Dorm too. And spills a secret like that enough time, and it's bound to go public, even if it's only the changeling part which is being spilled. And it only took the right/wrong moron with the right/wrong tools to achieve that result... And Life is the genre to gift that sort of package twenty a dozen, even in Real Life. Fifty years of Whateley at least, and Stale Farce is the first one?
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    6 years 11 months ago #250 by E. E. Nalley
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: Stale Farce? :???


    Stahlfaust, from the Amazons, who's hiding an ability to gradually grinding to nothing magic thrown at her, like the oathes tied to Poe's secrecy, and has a massive hate-boner for changelings. Tao of Dresden: Always snark at the opposition. Especially when their names are straight lines like this.
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  • Ah, I would have to direct you to the forum of the character for that.

    As for the rest of your questions, first, THANKS VERY MUCH for your comments, long detailed stuff like this is always a joy to read and I'm glad the Dreamer school of feedback is catching on!

    For the battle, yeah, I can see how that might be a little unsatisfying, but this is one action in a larger war. Kiga could never be defeated until his Astral Form was as he isn't native to this plane. Without getting too technical, this is a pretty major victory, but the war is still on going.

    Don't be too hard on Mrs Carson, you as a reader have an omniscient point of view that, even with unreliable Narration is a MUCH better source than what she has to work with. She is thinking of the 600 odd kids she is dealing with and the mischief they get into. Its not as obvious to her that these things are all related. In addition, she is fighting her own biases. It isn't as much as she thought it was a kid being stupid as much as she WISHED it was kid being stupid. That is much easier to deal with.

    There were plenty of things going on in the last year there were not related to HM or TWFKAH, but she has no way of knowing what was connected and what wasn't.

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  • Hardric wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Stale Farce? :???


    Stahlfaust, from the Amazons, who's hiding an ability to gradually grinding to nothing magic thrown at her, like the oathes tied to Poe's secrecy, and has a massive hate-boner for changelings. Tao of Dresden: Always snark at the opposition. Especially when their names are straight lines like this.

    One thing that Hardric is forgetting is that Stahlfaust is a gen 2 character. So her idiocy has no effect on Poe as far as Danny goes. Sometimes, the best thing that can happen to something like Poe is someone like Danny. Everyone will (maybe not everyone) say, 'Nah, it's not possible that there's a whole dorm full of TG people or homosexuals.' This is sort of the way that people will disregard an obvious truth if it flies in the face of what they want to believe.
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  • The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.

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  • Yolandria wrote: The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.

    Maybe Kigi was able to interfere with their ability to communicate with their avatar? And the only reason that Vile E Coyote was able to do what he did was because he was underestimated and not blocked because the demon thought that he would not be able to have as much influence as he did...?
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: For the battle, yeah, I can see how that might be a little unsatisfying, but this is one action in a larger war. Kiga could never be defeated until his Astral Form was as he isn't native to this plane. Without getting too technical, this is a pretty major victory, but the war is still on going.


    Not native? He was constructed from a corrupted ur-human shaman and is hosted via a subsumed human shaman. Not entirely, but not entirely not. :shrug:

    Distinguishing among the limited omniscient reader's POV (For example, we know about things like the Rite of Renewal, the Bastard's hand in creating Kigatilik, etc.) and the character's POV (more extensive in off-screen matters, but otherwise limited to their experiences) is Important. For example, Circe and Mrs. Carson likely knew of several agents who could pull off a storm like this, from well-known mages with more stockpiled essence than sense, all the way up to an elder god (Nodens) or a GOO (Ithaqua). From the inside of the affected area it would be immensely difficult to determine who it was before they struck.

    In this instance, even knowing Kigatilik was attacking doesn't automatically help. As far as we know, the Inuit lore available amounts to "If Kigatilik finds you, you lose everything." That in turn makes it unlikely that any mortal would know that Kigatilik was weakest where it intersects astral space. Not knowing the correct questions to ask renders the most extensive references, oracles, and experience ineffective.


    Coyote might be one of the Big Boys, but I suspect that he is still bound by his own rules as to what he does within Whateley's physical plane. However, unlike the many gods who think they're good at it, the Trickster is an expert at the subtle art of fucking things up royally:

    "Six words. 'Don't you think she looks tired?'"

    ... and down the dominos fall.

    The rules allow Coyote to teach Tansy and Lanie a potentially-fatal but important lesson in a time and place of his choosing, because he is a Teacher. There's nothing in da Rulez that prevent the lesson from just happening to coincide with Kigatilik's attack in the present and Kigatilik's astral self just happening to notice a tasty treat in a part of the Dreaming near resources that could be used against it - perhaps a soul that just happens to be on a dream-quest right about then - that just happened to have been strongly anchored to a point in the past that just happened to have already been cleared for relatively recent lessons.

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Don't be too hard on Mrs Carson, you as a reader have an omniscient point of view that, even with unreliable Narration is a MUCH better source than what she has to work with. She is thinking of the 600 odd kids she is dealing with and the mischief they get into. Its not as obvious to her that these things are all related. In addition, she is fighting her own biases. It isn't as much as she thought it was a kid being stupid as much as she WISHED it was kid being stupid. That is much easier to deal with.


    Occam's Razor only leads to truth when the truth is more simple than the alternatives. Let's take the curious case of a student enrolled at Whateley Academy but not yet in attendence who did something stupid. How often could that possibly happen?

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    6 years 11 months ago #257 by elrodw
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  • Anne wrote:

    Yolandria wrote: The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.

    Maybe Kigi was able to interfere with their ability to communicate with their avatar? And the only reason that Vile E Coyote was able to do what he did was because he was underestimated and not blocked because the demon thought that he would not be able to have as much influence as he did...?


    If you look back, it seemed that Lodgeman and Sandra and company had defeated Kiggy. That's what would have been reported.

    The snowstorm is NOT part of his normal attack - note that when he snuffed all the shamans on his little walkabout from Alaska to Bean-town, there were no major blizzards. That little lack would have been noticed as well. So what is this about? We shall see, but I can't say anything without giving away a bunch.

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  • Hardric wrote: And to bounce back on what Mister D said, I think I put the finger on why I was bugged about Poe's secret: Stale Farce is damaging my suspension of disbelief. Between the fact she isn't affected by the oathes of secrecy and her willingness to break Poe's secret concerning changelings for the Attack Bitches, I can pretty well picture telling about the freshly brainwashed Attack Bitches recruited eventually knowing about Poe as LGBT Dorm too. And spills a secret like that enough time, and it's bound to go public, even if it's only the changeling part which is being spilled. And it only took the right/wrong moron with the right/wrong tools to achieve that result... And Life is the genre to gift that sort of package twenty a dozen, even in Real Life. Fifty years of Whateley at least, and Stale Farce is the first one?


    Stahlfaust is Gen 2, as noted. There have been a decade-worth of changes, and (like we authors did amongst ourselves) a LOT of debate about the ethics of the oath - which is essentially a sorceror's contract. Plus, it's been noted that Stahlfaust is more than a little fanatical in her hatred of changelings. Would a group beat the crap (and possibly life) out of Stahlfaust if she blatantly spilled the beans? No doubt. Regarding the spell, note that her power slowly (SLOWLY) dissolves spells that are cast on her. How fast? Not fast at all - long enough that she's had time to learn about what would happen to those who would give away Poe's secret. Slow enough that it's a useless power for combat or superheroing. Also slow enough that it wasn't noticed by the power-testing experts. Slow enough that she may not even be fully aware of how much of the spell has weakened and dissolved.

    There is a lot yet to be revealed about Stahlfaust and the Amazons in Gen 2, so I'm not going to give away any secrets, but she really pushes the boundaries, driven by her extreme hatred (from origins yet to be revealed in Gen 2). She hasn't crossed the line - yet - but she's gotten close a few times. And she'll probably get close a few more times.

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    6 years 11 months ago #259 by null0trooper
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  • Yolandria wrote: The only thing that really bugged me about this run in with Kigi...Where are all the NA spirits...Not a single peep from Kayda...Mustang...Slut kitty... Not even a warning. Hell...Even Sandra should have been able to see/say something. The Dream team...What were they doing? All that Astral/Psychic potential and not a single one saying anything.


    Kigatilik was specifically created to counter shamans, humans whose practices include spirit sight, astral projection, and spirit-talking. Wouldn't that logically require enough stealth and planning ability to blind-side the spirits they communicate with? What has been established is that an avatar, like Kayda, cannot even communicate with their spirits when cut off from or drained of essence

    The authors established with Elyzia's visit with Raven that even experienced practitioners would have a difficult time because the storm was also raging through adjacent realities. Raven was also shown with a hole card that the other spirits mentioned don't have. I expect that the best that Sandra or other students can do is watch white-out conditions on the astral plane.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Coyote might be one of the Big Boys, but I suspect that he is still bound by his own rules as to what he does within Whateley's physical plane. However, unlike the many gods who think they're good at it, the Trickster is an expert at the subtle art of fucking things up royally:

    "Six words. 'Don't you think she looks tired?'"

    ... and down the dominos fall.


    Nice Dr. Who reference.

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  • I keep thinking that Coyote will pick a avatar/Paladin
    (External Hallow?-because the guy is uncomfortable with a spirit in him-and he is always outside the body having fun.)

    Who does not even have any connection to any of the tribes who he is credited (Perhaps 1/16-1/32nd Cherokee-which has a Rabbit Trickster) who has a mix of French, Irish, Scotch, Dutch, German and English in him. (Ought to be fun in the march of dreams to dress)

    Have him Dis a group of Japanese who are attempting to force a neighbor girl from an Exiled branch of a family to accept a 2-3000 year old Kitsune, by getting angry and mention that the United States has CHILD labor laws!

    (referring to the Kitsune not the girl but she counts too.)

    Steals all of her tails when the Kitsune gets uppity and shoots them off into the air which goes 8 different directions to land on the rear ends of certain native spirits (The last central stalk of the tail he hides...elsewhere)

    Wow that is a stream of thought...Oh yeah, he also got into the guy's World of Darkness's Nuwisha Breed Book...and loved Laughing Manyskins later Known as Old Man Manyskins.

    Poor Mrs. Carson...almost as bad as the poor guy who naturally had shoulder angels.

    Meh silly head-cannon.

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  • Hey, Carson may be worried about Coyote's interest in the Academy, but he has good reasons for not wanting it destroyed -- remember, his niece is a student.

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  • Hey, Carson may be worried about Coyote's interest in the Academy, but he has good reasons for not wanting it destroyed -- remember, his niece is a student.

    Excellent point. Kigi definately wouldn't want to piss off Coyote due to mis directed hatred. But then again. Does Kigi even know Coyote's relative is there in the first place. All he knows is that there's shamans around and food for days.

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  • Hardric wrote: So, now is the finish for that story. Let's go...

    And to bounce back on what Mister D said, I think I put the finger on why I was bugged about Poe's secret: Stale Farce is damaging my suspension of disbelief. Between the fact she isn't affected by the oathes of secrecy and her willingness to break Poe's secret concerning changelings for the Attack Bitches, I can pretty well picture telling about the freshly brainwashed Attack Bitches recruited eventually knowing about Poe as LGBT Dorm too. And spills a secret like that enough time, and it's bound to go public, even if it's only the changeling part which is being spilled. And it only took the right/wrong moron with the right/wrong tools to achieve that result... And Life is the genre to gift that sort of package twenty a dozen, even in Real Life. Fifty years of Whateley at least, and Stale Farce is the first one?


    Actually Murphy tells Mrs. Horton that the spell is going to fail on her, and she will have to use her will not to tell. Sharisha spilled the secret to Diamondback. Thuban knows. Hell Marty and Elaine all but told Reach.

    It hasn't been 50 years. Poe was originally a dorm for teachers. I am not sure when it became the LGBT Cottage, but remember that according to Mahren there were only 200ish students when he started.

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  • Valentine wrote: It hasn't been 50 years. Poe was originally a dorm for teachers. I am not sure when it became the LGBT Cottage, but remember that according to Mahren there were only 200ish students when he started.

    With that in mind, how long was Mahern a teacher before he manifested? Not long as I recall, less than ten years? And in that time, the population of students has tripled?
    Is that because of the coming battle?
    Is there some force or forces (we do know that Ptesanwi got impatient) at work to bring their avatars into the fight?
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  • Poe became a student dorm in the early 80s due to needing more space and Melville being constructed. It becoming the LGBT dorm was one of Mrs Carson's changes about the time Hawthorne cottage was being built.

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: Poe became a student dorm in the early 80s due to needing more space and Melville being constructed. It becoming the LGBT dorm was one of Mrs Carson's changes about the time Hawthorne cottage was being built.

    so I take it that maybe happened in the mid 80s- early 90s so not even all the gen 1 parents who went there would know the cover story for Poe. Does Amy's mom know the cover story?

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  • Well, Tabby was a Poesie, and she's class of 1986, so it's likely that Poe was converted into the LGBT dorm a while before she graduated. For her to be at Poe for the full four years, the cottage would have to be converted before mid-1982, which does not match other data points.

    So, it appears that Tabby was moved to Poe when it became the LGBT cottage. A likely excuse for the shuffling around of students is that Poe was not in use before that -- it originally was the "single teachers' dorm", and then it probably spent a while closed for "renovations." When it was reopened as additional student housing, it wouldn't be surprising to move a bunch of students from other cottages.

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  • I actually read this on release day, but all the discussion has been great.

    So...was The Witch one of the named girls in Danny's harem, or was she one of the two "other Freshmen girls"?

    It's a nice feeling that Tansy and Lanie are supporting Kayda. Speaking of which, it is kind of amusing that TWICE Kigatilik has heading into Whateley on his suggested objective to kill Kayda, and twice gotten roasted by someone else.
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    Cool how the title uses "men" literally, instead of as a metronym or whatever, for all of humanity.
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  • I might be wrong on this, but I recall part of what makes Kigatilik so good at hunting shamans and dangerous is that the being not only exists in both the material and astral, but can shift rather freely between the two. So Coyote, being cunning as he is, set up Lanie and Tansy in order to defeat Kigatilik's astral form while all of its power and focus were channeled into the mystical snowstorm (and presumably related effects).

    And speaking of Coyote, that spirit makes me think of the beings in general. They're all dangerous, but for the most part not because they're necessarily malicious. They're instead dangerous because we have great difficulty in knowing and comprehending all the information available to such beings, and that makes their motives extremely hard to determine. Our limited understanding results in spirits appearing to act fickle and capricious for the most part, and that unpredictability is what is considered dangerous.

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  • Ametros wrote: And speaking of Coyote, that spirit makes me think of the beings in general. They're all dangerous, but for the most part not because they're necessarily malicious. They're instead dangerous because we have great difficulty in knowing and comprehending all the information available to such beings, and that makes their motives extremely hard to determine. Our limited understanding results in spirits appearing to act fickle and capricious for the most part, and that unpredictability is what is considered dangerous.

    Agreed, but Coyote always wants to promote himself as a teacher when he appears. He's unkind...well he is neither kind or mean, just blunt. However, his goal is personal growth.

    Ptesanwi is kind, but she's also dishonest. She's still human, in a way. Coyote prides himself on only telling truths. It's who he tells what to that makes him seem devious and nefarious. And he is deliberately selective.

    Now...Jade and Beltane and Thorn are bad. But I'd love to see Coyote v. Raven with Kayda or Danny caught in the middle.
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