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Question Glyph 3 : Ink in her Veins!

7 years 2 months ago #1 by Yolandria
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    7 years 2 months ago #2 by E!
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    also since it is mentioned in passing in the story if you happen to be in Chicago and are looking for a deep dish pizza to eat Gino's East is good. However, Giordano's I think is better. Since I grew up on the South Side, because despite its name Gino's East is a North Side pizza joint. Boo Cubs. Go Sox.
    7 years 2 months ago #3 by null0trooper
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  • Is it a bad thing that one of the thoughts crossing my mind at the end was: At least the Spy Kidz have a decent excuse or two for being lead around by the nose. Again?

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    7 years 2 months ago #5 by Ametros
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  • So what exactly is it about the Secret Squirrels that attracts such gullible and overzealous members? I feel the entire club is cursed to not learn from history. I wonder how much of this going forward will be "played straight", and how much will subvert Gen 1 as it stands? Good to see more of Bianca though, and I really hope Melody ends up in chains, one way or another. :-p

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    7 years 2 months ago #6 by Valentine
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  • Uh, is Mouse Carrie Harper or Carrie Porter, or are there two Mice?

    Clive Franks, any relation to some other Franks? (I hope you and Elrod don't get into a name war).

    I wonder if Bianca has explained her curse to Grimes or any of the other staff.

    I'm surprised that she didn't ask Scrye about private labs, although Scrye being in the Magic Arts program might have put her off on that.

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    7 years 2 months ago #7 by Katssun
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  • Bianca not being totally comfortable with her change, trying to actively ignore it despite how curious she is about it. She wants to, but she doesn't want to, but she wants to...
    She could probably use some counseling about that specific aspect of her manifestation, and so could Morgana for that matter. But I really like that there are Poesies that struggle in contrast to those who fully embrace it.

    Beatdown and Shade are another interesting aspect. Again, a very similar, but also subtle contrast. Esquire wants to take advantage of Bianca to make himself a "made man." Himself. It's for him, using her. But Beatdown knows that he's physically stronger than Bianca, but respects her. Not because of her position, not because of her abilities, which he almost beat, but because she scares him. He respects her. He finds her capable. He wants to be a "made man" as well, but wants to earn it. They're not talking about having Bianca as their avenue to success. They were hoping to earn it. 'If we play our cards right, she might even make us lieutenants.'

    If. She might make us.

    They're placing all of it in Bianca's hands, not trying to take advantage of her, because she's proven to Beatdown she's worthy of their respect, and now they want to earn her respect back.

    I loved this difference from Bianca's last story, where Esquire thinks he's clever enough to use her.

    Should we be looking at AJ for a Bianca pairing, or Beatdown... ;)

    Shades came off like a jerk, but honestly, the impression I got was he just needed an outlet. Can you imagine someone with his abilities (projective teleporter!) as one of the Loyal?! Active threats dropped directly into one of Bianca's glyphs, Bianca transported around a corner safely in harrowing situations? I know Bianca wants to trust her friends above any potentially selfish minions, but recognize when you have an asset headed your way!

    As for the Spy Kidz, I kept thinking...are these the 1960s retro version? Super stereotype nerd tech-guy, prissy British members, femme fatale Perfume...and sure enough, the Avengers references come out. Loved it! Compared to the bumbling overzealous comedy troupe of Gen 1 (masterfully skewered by Imp), the Gen 2 Intelligence Corps seem to be a lot more...together. They're classy, yet also a bit a parody of themselves.
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  • Katssun wrote: Bianca not being totally comfortable with her change, trying to actively ignore it despite how curious she is about it. She wants to, but she doesn't want to, but she wants to...
    She could probably use some counseling about that specific aspect of her manifestation, and so could Morgana for that matter. But I really like that there are Poesies that struggle in contrast to those who fully embrace it.


    Frankly, it's rather astounding that Bianca keeps it together as well as she does in regards to her gender, considering there's a rather obvious emotional connection one could draw between her losing everything, and then some. She's not entirely there yet, but I'm certainly impressed.

    As for Beatdown and Shades... I wonder if Bianca will eventually end up with a literal training team of prospective henchmen?

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    7 years 2 months ago #9 by mhalpern
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  • You know i wonder if the IMPlications of Glyph's art class will involve hiding runes in art, form and function...

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    7 years 2 months ago #10 by Anne
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  • In my mind, of the two, Shades is quite a bit better, as far as a power set for what Bianca needs.She would need to find him some other entertainment besides harassing people. Other wise she becomes in essence the sponsor of a bully. Now Breakdown? Maybe eventually use him as a visible bodyguard if she has someone like Shades to function as 'knock back', that is someone who can push attackers away from her. Her problem right now is that she is terribly squishy, except for her regen. If I read the story correctly she has almost no ranged attacks, or even defenses. She needs to think beyond her FUD spell that keeps people from eavesdropping on her, she needs an almost permanent shield that will deflect small arms fire, or keep her from taking the full force of a blunt or sharp object in the hands of another person.
    Still not sure what Tolman is trying to teach, especially her, other than don't get in a fight, even if you are trying to protect bystanders. But given her nature, I suspect Bianca will have a hard time keeping from doing that if she is on the spot so to speak.
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  • mhalpern wrote: You know i wonder if the IMPlications of Glyph's art class will involve hiding runes in art, form and function...

    Oh yeah! Though to what purpose? Hidden wards? Tripwires? Wards that might not be recognized as wards by other magic users? Hmmm... what other uses might runes hidden in art work have. I bet if she approaches Imp, she will know where to go or the price on a private studio or lab!
    7 years 2 months ago #12 by mhalpern
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  • Harder to copy, identify without mage sight or when inactive, far more discreet, many reasons for hidden runes

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    7 years 2 months ago #13 by null0trooper
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  • Imagine what Bianca could learn from Janine about forward-chaining sequential events!

    Now apply that to a runed fresco all around a room that Shades can deposit you in.

    By the way, be careful how you step across the floor mosaic!

    :twisted:

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    7 years 2 months ago #14 by Sir Lee
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  • If Bianca wanted to hire a brick bodyguard, Bacon might be a better choice. At least he is friendly to her.

    On a different matter... I notice that there is a student named "Rapunzel" in Gen2.
    Too bad Cinderella is a Gen1 character... otherwise they might try to start a combat team called "Disney Princesses."

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    7 years 2 months ago #15 by Anne
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  • I agree with you there Sir Lee, I'm just saying that she shouldn't reject their offer out of hand. She does need to learn that for certain values of the word, business is business. IOW Breakdown didn't attack her because it was his nature, or because he disliked her, he did it because it was a job he had been hired to do. Actually get both him and Bacon together, train them with Shades. Very nice last layer protection in my mind.
    7 years 2 months ago - 7 years 2 months ago #16 by konzill
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  • One name error I spotted:

    “I used a remote control car as a base,” Giggles explained proudly, “and built my domino setter on top of that.”


    I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be Janine talking, not Giggles. And you might want to change the speech tag, having Janine explain proudly a couple of paragraphs after Giggles did so doesn't scan that well. that's probably what caused the error in the first place.

    Also, the whole idea that the Spy Kids are going off on a wild Goosechase again, had me delightfully flabbergasted. Ditto for the idea that Bianca is going to end up with henchmen whether she wants them or not.
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  • Anne wrote: Still not sure what Tolman is trying to teach, especially her, other than don't get in a fight, even if you are trying to protect bystanders. But given her nature, I suspect Bianca will have a hard time keeping from doing that if she is on the spot so to speak.

    My guess is that there will always be opportunities where her opponents will catch her without her built-in spells, or any pre-prepared slips, or time to run and set up a rune. Something she should have learned from her grandmother's death. She was still prepared, but The Messenger could only be stopped by conventional means. What if her grandmother had been able to snap both his arms with a jujitsu hold? Bianca needs to learn the old Ito-sensei demonstration that an unpowered individual can hold their own against a powered opponent with the right techniques. Then she can run and find time to prepare or help.

    She is essentially a baseline without time to prepare. It's not impossible for her to gain the skills she needs.

    mhalpern wrote: Harder to copy, identify without mage sight or when inactive, far more discreet, many reasons for hidden runes

    Again, I think back to her grandmother's death. The floor tiles of the mansion ballroom had an extensive system of runes in it, but only for a single explosion. But what if every painting, every woven fabric (e.g. tablecloths, curtains), even every wallpaper pattern in her residences had a variety of runes hidden within? Versatility, variety, the element of surprise. Bianca would be able to IMProvise during any assault.

    The administration knows she is restricted to drawn magic. There's almost certainly a reason that Imp is her adviser beyond that Morpheus writes both characters.

    Anne wrote: I agree with you there Sir Lee, I'm just saying that she shouldn't reject their offer out of hand. She does need to learn that for certain values of the word, business is business. IOW Breakdown didn't attack her because it was his nature, or because he disliked her, he did it because it was a job he had been hired to do. Actually get both him and Bacon together, train them with Shades. Very nice last layer protection in my mind.

    Now I'm thinking of Imp being her adviser for another reason. Imp has firsthand experience of having an enemy one day be someone she hired at a later date. She didn't hold it against him when he attacked her, and she didn't hold a grudge. It was all down to professionalism. Like you said, business is business. She should recognize that Beatdown was hired, and not hold it against him now that he wants to enter her employ because she made an impression.
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  • For some truly epic example of a crazy prepared Rune Mage see China Sorrows in the Skullduggery Pleasent books. Her apartment had useful runes on pretty well every surface, including an escape hatch that let her phase into the apartment below. And her favourite horse had runes on it that made it grow wings, and gave it the power of flight.
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  • One thing that I think that Tolman is trying to teach is concentration under pressure and mental tenacity. Both are attributes that can be trained and both are as critical to magic and to business as to the martial arts.

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  • Another factor is that it's not all about winning. Losing is an important part of sparring as well. You have to know how to take a hit, how to roll out of a fall, etc. Losing is when you get to really practice those skills. Also, fighting people you literally have no hope of beating (without breaking the rules) helps you to learn where your limits are. Ideally you push those limits back, but even if you don't, at least you know where they are. That's very important.

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  • I was thinking that given the nature of rumors and gossip denying or pretending not to care will only make those who believe even more certain that Bianca is what the gossip claims.

    One way to fight them is to go the other way. Play the role so over the top and ridiculous that people feel silly taking them seriously.

    Now if this had happened in Generation one this is how Jade might have handled it if Bianca had been a friend of hers.



    I wonder if Bianca has any friends who not only can think out of the box but outside the warehouse, the box is in.
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  • Anne wrote: In my mind, of the two, Shades is quite a bit better, as far as a power set for what Bianca needs.She would need to find him some other entertainment besides harassing people. Other wise she becomes in essence the sponsor of a bully. Now Breakdown? Maybe eventually use him as a visible bodyguard if she has someone like Shades to function as 'knock back', that is someone who can push attackers away from her. Her problem right now is that she is terribly squishy, except for her regen. If I read the story correctly she has almost no ranged attacks, or even defenses. She needs to think beyond her FUD spell that keeps people from eavesdropping on her, she needs an almost permanent shield that will deflect small arms fire, or keep her from taking the full force of a blunt or sharp object in the hands of another person.
    Still not sure what Tolman is trying to teach, especially her, other than don't get in a fight, even if you are trying to protect bystanders. But given her nature, I suspect Bianca will have a hard time keeping from doing that if she is on the spot so to speak.


    No, Bianca has quite a few ranged attacks - her 'built-in' runes.
    It's Morgana who has none at all.
    However ranged spells is a part of the magic syllabus.

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  • ... Maybe AJ can further the peace offering by talking about Jadis to Bianca? She's quite experimented in the art of dealing with would-be minions, after all.

    Man, the Seeds need to think about searching a pretet to kick Gideon ot of thir club sooner or later. I mean compare that little stnt to the things Nephandus pulled out, and the guy was the joke/load member of the club in his generation. And even he would play with them sometimes (Kerry, Big Idea), Nephandus was never stupd enough to break them, or ignore the oldest rule of any activity ever 'Don't shit where you eat'. Maybe the benefit of Daddy being a black market broker of magical artifacts, since you won't sell that much if you don't have at least a modicum of professionalism.

    Gideon comes off far more like a thug, and a dumb one. Even if his harebrained plan had worked, how the heck did he exactly epected to use Bianca as his new bank account like he thought? Or how would he have dealt with the revelation of his little scam if it had succeeded? Because he clearly didn't think about it there, and it shows a serious level of incompetence.

    But the main reason I think they should think about expelling him is the fact he was ready to do that duck to a potential member, and would have probably continued once she was a member to use her resources for his personal benefit. If I was any of the other Seeds, I'd worry about the moment Gideon decides he wants to strongarm them for something too. Not because he would succeed, but because he's clearly willing to cause a lot of trouble to try to get what he wants. Once again, even Nephandus wasn't dumb enough to try something like that, and if I remember it right, there are mentions it's not even the first time Gideon tries something like that.

    Exactly how long will it take for him to either damage the Seeds' reputation to a point kicking him out is the more attractive way to deal with it, or before the other members decide Gideon trying to leech on them more or less violently and potentially outing informations about them or blackmailing them is unacceptable.

    And the Secret Squirrels... I'm not sure I like what it could tell about me, but sometimes, I get the impression a statement should have been done by the administration there at a moment or another in the school's history. Take a particulary egregious Squirrel (must not be that hard if G1 is standard behavior), and... just throw the book at them. Rise all the times their surveillance broke the limits and the law, like Imp did (and she only had her case to lambaste them, imagine what the pileup could look like), and just expel them have them face the criminal charges involved.

    Maybe an actual example of how exactly the law sees their little antics and the consequences they have in Real Life would stomp out the would-be the egomaniac Dirty Harry imitators loosers who seem to form the bulk of the club (No, I don't have a particular bone against Ace beyond the usual Squirrels shenanigans, people. How could you think that?). The main objection I have here would be that with the way mutants are seen, it would be not only bad press when it's not needed, and most above a almost certain death sentence for whoever would have ended up expelled.
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  • Ah but for the Sekret Skwirells, there are regimes, not just the syndicate either, but they come to mind, that want people who are just as ruthless as the Sekret Skwirells, except they want them to be competent. Organizationally in some ways the Sekret Sqwirells are closer to the Master Minds than they would like to admit. Especially people like Harley 'Reach'. Because in ether of his personae, Reach wants to be a detective and work for a LEO. I'm surprised in one way that there isn't an explorer scout troop at Whateley to go along with the FSHA squad.
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  • The Spy Kids are an important part of the curriculum for the rest of the student body. The world is full of nosy perverts with no concern for the law. If you don't bother to learn that and figure out how to take appropriate countermeasures, you inevitably end up with people leaking your nude selfies, your admissions of sexual harassment, and your strategies for rigging your own primaries. Thanks to the Secret Squirrels and all the other folks doing espionage around campus, Whateley alumni know better than to expect secrets to remain secret without extraordinary care.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: The Spy Kids are an important part of the curriculum for the rest of the student body. The world is full of nosy perverts with no concern for the law. If you don't bother to learn that and figure out how to take appropriate countermeasures, you inevitably end up with people leaking your nude selfies, your admissions of sexual harassment, and your strategies for rigging your own primaries. Thanks to the Secret Squirrels and all the other folks doing espionage around campus, Whateley alumni know better than to expect secrets to remain secret without extraordinary care.

    I didn't think to put it quite like I did above, but you have the gist of it. That is that the Intelligence Cadet Corps is actually encouraged, subtly and otherwise by the faculty to run operations. There are people out there among the student population up to no good that the administration, and even the security section doesn't have the resources or reach to find. Of course they being youngsters, and having their own sets of prejudices, will hare off on their own after imaginary foes (at least what they think their foes have done is imaginary) regardless of their target(s)' guilt, innocence or ability to squash them like bugs!
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  • Anne wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote: The Spy Kids are an important part of the curriculum for the rest of the student body. The world is full of nosy perverts with no concern for the law. If you don't bother to learn that and figure out how to take appropriate countermeasures, you inevitably end up with people leaking your nude selfies, your admissions of sexual harassment, and your strategies for rigging your own primaries. Thanks to the Secret Squirrels and all the other folks doing espionage around campus, Whateley alumni know better than to expect secrets to remain secret without extraordinary care.

    I didn't think to put it quite like I did above, but you have the gist of it. That is that the Intelligence Cadet Corps is actually encouraged, subtly and otherwise by the faculty to run operations. There are people out there among the student population up to no good that the administration, and even the security section doesn't have the resources or reach to find. Of course they being youngsters, and having their own sets of prejudices, will hare off on their own after imaginary foes (at least what they think their foes have done is imaginary) regardless of their target(s)' guilt, innocence or ability to squash them like bugs!


    (Dang I need a way to post more regularly on this forum).

    The makeshift overwatch help you mention, Anne, I get it, it even happens in the Big Idea. But I still get the idea the administration is quite slow to hammer down the Squirrels' problems. From the way they reacted to Imp's accusations, I got the impression nobody really bothered to point out the legal consequences of their acts. And the effectiveness of that angle seemed quite clear, especially against little overeager idiots who seem to mostly consider themselves as future James Bond/Dirty Harry and seem to behave in some ways like the Cape Squad recon club you talked about, and do not seem to include any vocation for the... seedier jobs you mentionned earlier on this thread. I get the impressions these ones would go to hte Masterminds... or CORE.

    Lastly... Where are you going exactly, Kettlekorn? Because the nosy pervert part... Just duh. Paparazzis are as obvious as possible, and in the Whateley setting, it's painfully obvious to anybody that mutants have to expect the law dead-set against them. Of course surveillance is included there. But the idea of using the Squirrels to enforce that lesson, creating a really toxic approach to surveillance amongst many students and future alumni wanting to go into law enforcement, without talking about the fact they almost exclusively hit Bad Seeds, ignoring almost anybody else, instead of trying a more official and thought-out approach to the problem feels... insanely stupid to me. And I get the impression you think that too with the sarcasm about the 'secrets' to protect. I mean, nude selfies, I can understand, (though I doubt you'd have ones without reasons specific enough that safekeeping enters the 'duh' territory), but the other ones? Last thing I'd want is fro things like that to remain secret.
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  • Do I want those particular secrets to be kept? No. But I'm me, not Whateley. Whateley is primarily focused with teaching people how to survive and thrive, with a neutral stance toward morality. From their POV, it's a win when somebody is turned off from going villain because they realize it's way too much work to keep their deeds secret, and it's also a win when somebody reacts by becoming skilled at counterintelligence so they can get away with their villainy.

    And sure, the Squirrels are biased, but they're not the only people involved in the espionage game. The would-be heroes have to contend with the Masterminds and sometimes the Bad Seeds in lieu of the Spy Kids. Lots of other people spying on folks at Whateley too. Peeper and Greasy come to mind, and you never know who's lurking in the bushes. CIA, IRS, Ito...

    There are classes people could take about this, but the advantage in leaning on inter-student espionage to teach students how to cope is that they'll actually give a shit. Send all your students through a mandatory counter-surveillance class, and most aren't going to learn much. Give the wannabe spies a bit of slack in their reins, and you'll see much better results as people scramble to find ways to maintain their privacy. Plus, Whateley sort of serves as a safe microcosm where young mutants can test stuff out without life-shattering consequences if they screw it up (usually, anyway). They need to have that incentive and opportunity to practice with the training wheels on, and the sims aren't enough. Security is something you live, not just something you employ during an op.

    Of course, the spy wannabees have lessons to learn as well, which is why the administration periodically cracks down on them without ever quite disbanding them.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: They need to have that incentive and opportunity to practice with the training wheels on, and the sims aren't enough. Security is something you live, not just something you employ during an op.


    I'd love to see a sim or a crash with a trace/track and retrieve/steal.

    All the experience of an objective gone horribly wrong, but without the potentially very dire consequences.

    Maybe some of the MMM could get a practice run, since they signed themselves up as a training team and eventually the administration may notice. Or they could learn from the example of Lanie/Kayda/Tansy.

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  • I can just imagine how happy people will be if one of the "special meals" kids who eats bugs accidentally ends up with one of Cyber Swarm's gizmos in his stomach.

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  • The fact that Crysis is a even thinking about Bianca and himself in a Romeo and Juliet context is telling enough. That could be the beginning of a very weird crush...

    I do hope that Bianca does accept Beatdown and Shade's offer. It would-be interesting to see an alternate Bad Seeds group form. Sort of a 'Family In Training' where there isn't any doubt they're going criminal, which you don't get with the seeds or even the Masterminds.
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  • Katssun wrote: The fact that Crysis is a even thinking about Bianca and himself in a Romeo and Juliet context is telling enough. That could be the beginning of a very weird crush...

    I do hope that Bianca does accept Beatdown and Shade's offer. It would-be interesting to see an alternate Bad Seeds group form. Sort of a 'Family In Training' where there isn't any doubt they're going criminal, which you don't get with the seeds or even the Masterminds.

    While that might be something you'd like to see, it isn't what Bianca wants. If I recall correctly she is very reluctant to accept the mantle of White Lady, Indeed, it seems to me that if it wasn't a matter of survival for her to become the White Lady she would abandon it in a heart beat.
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  • Well, Esquire doesn't seem to know that he's been ratted out by the other Seeds. And I think he's going to have more trouble from the rest of the Seeds when they find out he is still harassing Bianca.

    It's good to see Bianca learning how to expand what she can do with her runes. Too bad she can't consult with Diamondback or Jadis. They were very good with spell cards.

    When Bianca finds out about Beatdown and Shade, she needs to have a serious talk, actually Marcus needs to talk to them. I wonder if there is a class on body guarding. They should sign up for it.

    Janine needs an AEGIS domino loader. Bianca is going to find her more helpful for ideas, than for paper cutting.

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  • Thinking about it, one thing that Bianca needs to do is develop some non magic, standoff holdouts! Her magic is really very short duration, so if she fails to stop an attacker with it on the first try she is almost helpless.
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  • Given the rather specific composition of Esquire's primary attack and Cyber Swarm's drones, Glyph could try to find or create a rune or combination that would affect incoming metal, either reversing its vector or sucking the energy out of it. Once she had the basic "affect approaching metal" part, she could create other variations, such as disintegrating it, transmuting it, sending it elsewhere, or the like. Once she had that in her arsenal, it would also be useful for bullets, thrown blades, and the like.

    One way or another, it would be interesting to see Esquire's reaction when she takes away his balls.
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  • A simple chained rune of a variety she's already done.

    Combine the rust rune and the glue rune to make a super-magnetic rune.
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  • The thought accured to me that if Crysis gets caught he would have initiated an attack by proxy for Scorn and simultaneously threatened Glyph's legal guardians (therefore her Family) all Glyph could do at that point is get popcorn and a front row seat.

    Edit the scene in my head involves Glyph confronting Crysis with a bucket of popcorn with admin around her... Very intimidating popcorn...

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  • mhalpern: this assumes that it can be shown to an outsider's satisfaction that Crysis was indeed working as an agent for Scorn. Keep in mind that Crysis story is going to be "no, it was just a student feud that got out of hand, I didn't want to kill her, I swear."

    As for the "attacking a student's family" thing... well, the protection is a bit more limited than that, it's actually an "attacking a student's family as means of pressuring the student". Otherwise, anyone with a kid at Whateley would get carte blanche to do pretty much anything, and trust that the "Whateley Neutrality Accords" would keep his bacon out of the fire. Consider that, say, the Empire City Guard is not barred from attempting to capture Dr. Diabolik just because Dr. Dad has two kids studying at Whateley. It also doesn't protect against random incidents -- the Syndicate wouldn't come as a ton of bricks on top of a mugger who just happened to kill a relative of a Whateley student during a stick-up. They did come as a ton of bricks on the Tong of the Black Madonna, however, because they were attempting to take hostages to put pressure on Bladedancer. Also, it didn't hurt that the Syndicate wanted to get a few brownie points back after the Halloween debacle.
    Thing is, Glyph's story acknowledges that there was already a conflict between the Family and Scorn before Glyph ever set foot in Whateley. So Scorn is free to continue his attacks on the Family, as long as he doesn't, say, take hostages and demand that Glyph do his bidding.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: As for the "attacking a student's family" thing... well, the protection is a bit more limited than that, it's actually an "attacking a student's family as means of pressuring the student".

    Not quite that narrow. As a way to harm a student, as a way to get revenge on a student, as a way to otherwise influence a student, or even as a way to force the student out of school are among the others.
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  • So the comment about Janine belonging in Poe... Surely I'm not the only one who's of the mind that Janine might be interested in a totally oblivious Bianca? :-p

    And as for Beatdown and Shades, well they're acting so unprofessional and working against Glyph's aims that she'll have to confront them about it. I'm feeling like she's being pushed into a situation where she'll begrudgingly take them on as bodyguards - especially given the threat that Crysis poses.

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  • Not the only one.

    Hmm... AJ X Bianca X Janine? With Crysis as The Jealous One or something?

    Beatdown and Shades vs. Crysis?

    Or vs. Esquire?

    Crysis vs. Esquire or something?

    Beatdown and Shades working in the Shadows, and Janine hires them, in secret? Or AJ or something?

    Lol at latter as "Hiring bodyguards for my GF".
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  • Sir Lee wrote: What is this, a love heptagon?

    Snerk!
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  • null0trooper wrote: It looks like someone's never going to be bored!

    Nope, Bianca will never have time to be bored. She will always be too busy trying to fend off unwanted suitors (either for positions as her lover or who want to be her minions) or enemies to be bored!
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  • Woah! All them groups are linking up, and some wild guesses and unintended guesses are happening! WOAH!

    And still no one outside of Glyph's Crew knows what she really wants...

    Janine X Glyph ship... Probability advances, barring a Twist, with that gift giving, etc.

    Masterminds' Leader is super surprising... Maybe they hire Shades + Beatdown in trade for getting into the Family...

    Still dunno who Crysis's mother is...

    I thought it was Esquire who was pairing up. Whoops. So, Masterminds and Spy Kids are Neutrals...

    Hmm... Shades + Beatdown are in the area when Glyph gets attacked again? ... So many people to ship and place and stuff!

    Will Glyph figure out Blood Ink Spell Slips in her next story???
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  • null0trooper wrote: Speaking of the Masterminds, the details of Glyph's new private space sound familiar.


    I have a feeling that either a former Mastermind, or the Secret Squirrels found themselves trapped in there at some point. There's a good chance that those 2 events were the same room.

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  • So, no really in depth analysis of the story.
    Glyph is busy trying to keep from getting squashed in BMA. Is Janine crushing on Glyph? Too early to tell. Hard to tell if she hasn't figured out that Glyph lives in the LGBTO dorm. Crysis is still hunting and Esquire gets the blame for one of his failures. Not that Esquire isn't eminently dislikable on his own! After all he is a grade A arse.
    Okay, nice trap. Not sure it works yet, but definitely makes Esquire more careful. OH No! Crysis and Chained Melody join forces. No honor among thieves. Hope his next gambit backfires and fries both of them!
    Now the Masterminds are considering rushing Bianca? Bad or good? Probably not the best that could happen, but the capes never will rush her!
    Leaves one wondering if perhaps Rotten to the CORE kept a presence on the campus and if they might recruit as well?
    All in all a nice little romp from the pen of Morpheus!
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  • As near as I can tell, Wondercute is the only Campus group not interested in Glyph for some reason.

    A great trap, too bad it takes so long to set up.

    I don't think Janine is crushing on Glyph as much as idolizing on her.

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    Well, that wasn't ominous at all, people.

    Also, another thing I meant to ask here for a while: does anybody here think the Attack Bitches were already doing brainwashing back when Gideon's sister created the club?
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  • I'm really glad that she figured out chained spells across a tremendous area, but I really like that it doesn't help her at all in terms of short-term action like BMA, and she recognizes that. Preparation is always going to be the key to Bianca's niche, but she will still have to account for or learn some method of managing ambushes or other kinds of surprise attacks.

    Or start building a power base of her own.

    Some want to exploit her, some respect and support her, and some want to oppose her. It's a very interesting dynamic.\

    I also appreciate that, at least for the near term, Bianca isn't thinking about romance in any capacity of any kind. We don't even know which way she leans, if she's thought about it herself at all. And so far, it doesn't feel like she has. She's far too concerned with survival.
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  • Katssun wrote: I'm really glad that she figured out chained spells across a tremendous area, but I really like that it doesn't help her at all in terms of short-term action like BMA, and she recognizes that. Preparation is always going to be the key to Bianca's niche, but she will still have to account for or learn some method of managing ambushes or other kinds of surprise attacks.


    Per the 6-Ps Principle: "Proper prior planning prevents piss-poor performance."

    Or, "Ignorance gets ya dead."

    Katssun wrote: Or start building a power base of her own.


    More necessary preparation for the world she'll be living in. Even amongst the Family, she'll still need people loyal to her, not just the White Lady.


    On a side note: I'm now wondering if Bianca's spells are forward-chaining or backward-chaining, and do the procedure calls inplement COME FROM and DONT loops?

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  • So who else thinks Janine's capabilities are about to get a serious upgrade as she shifts from being focused on dominos to being focused on insane clockwork?
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  • konzill wrote: So who else thinks Janine's capabilities are about to get a serious upgrade as she shifts from being focused on dominos to being focused on insane clockwork?


    What can she do with it? What does she need? Clockwork Chainsaw?
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  • What can't you do with clockwork?

    Yan Shi created a man of clockwork construction.

    "The king stared at the figure in astonishment. It walked with rapid strides, moving its head up and down, so that anyone would have taken it for a live human being. The artificer touched its chin, and it began singing, perfectly in tune. He touched its hand, and it began posturing, keeping perfect time...As the performance was drawing to an end, the robot winked its eye and made advances to the ladies in attendance, whereupon the king became incensed and would have had Yen Shih [Yan Shi] executed on the spot had not the latter, in mortal fear, instantly taken the robot to pieces to let him see what it really was. And, indeed, it turned out to be only a construction of leather, wood, glue and lacquer, variously coloured white, black, red and blue. Examining it closely, the king found all the internal organs complete—liver, gall, heart, lungs, spleen, kidneys, stomach and intestines; and over these again, muscles, bones and limbs with their joints, skin, teeth and hair, all of them artificial...The king tried the effect of taking away the heart, and found that the mouth could no longer speak; he took away the liver and the eyes could no longer see; he took away the kidneys and the legs lost their power of locomotion. The king was delighted."

    If clockwork can create a man, then it can create the far less complex and mundane items in the human inventive repertoire. We have clockwork radios, clockwork toys, clockwork music boxes, even weapons based on clockwork. Imagine the serene scene of Janine setting up a massive domino chain while protected by an army of clockwork automatons armed in divers ways to ward off the various miscreants that previously plagued her while being accompanied by the sweet sounds of Für Elise emanating from music boxes delivering stereo quality sound all without the need for electrical power.
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  • Well, yeah, but the tech that came after clockwork is better for anything else except massive force transfers, and that it can use basically any material.

    Like, you could make a clockwork cannon / gun, but would it be better than a regular one, even if Gadgeteer made? Or is Janine a DEV?
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  • For one thing, the mental skills needed to account for multiple assemblies operating in concert can also be used to account for multiple groups operating in concert. Logistics is all about getting the right personnel and materiel to the right location at the right time and all pointed in the right direction.

    Malady wrote: Well, yeah, but the tech that came after clockwork is better for anything else except massive force transfers, and that it can use basically any material.


    How well does that tech interoperate with magical energies and entities? What opportunities could magical and magically-enhanced materials (e.g., adamant) open up for mechanical devices that electronics aren't meant for?

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  • null0trooper wrote: For one thing, the mental skills needed to account for multiple assemblies operating in concert can also be used to account for multiple groups operating in concert. Logistics is all about getting the right personnel and materiel to the right location at the right time and all pointed in the right direction.

    Malady wrote: Well, yeah, but the tech that came after clockwork is better for anything else except massive force transfers, and that it can use basically any material.


    How well does that tech interoperate with magical energies and entities? What opportunities could magical and magically-enhanced materials (e.g., adamant) open up for mechanical devices that electronics aren't meant for?


    Ceding my point... :clap:

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    konzill wrote: Clockwork can be used to build a computer.


    While an Analytic Engine would not be better than a conventional computer without DEV enhancements, it would be cool.
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  • Better? Maybe, maybe not, it may well depend on in what sense or specific situations. If you have some mutant that can control say electricity, then a mechanical system might be better than an electrical system for example. There is also the matter of making something yourself, it brings a certain level of pride and a sense of accomplishment.

    I seem to recall that there is some giant robot that doesn't work right that all the gadget/devisor crowd use to test out concepts on at Whateley... But here, we have a clockwork genius that might conceivably be able to work around those size limitations and make a gigantic robot that runs off of clockwork and perpetual motion concepts... That would give Janine a level of legitimacy and respect that she currently seems to lack with the mechanical crowd. Particularly when you consider that you can get away with more slop in the gears in larger clockwork constructions than you can in the smaller ones.

    Then, you have the small scale options... If she does have some affinity for clockwork, as seems to be the case, she may be able to further reduce the size of mechanical clockwork constructs, which has many practical applications. Especially in areas where electronics are discouraged or prohibited. Case in point, some of the newer watches that can do nearly everything a smart phone can do are prohibited in some secure areas. I can only imagine that the state of electronics in the Whateley Universe are far more advanced. If she can make a highly accurate mechanical time piece that can do calculations and such (anyone remember mechanical calculators and computers?), that can work without her having to go and do maintenance on them constantly, she may have a niche market that could provide her with a respectable income in the future. Just think of the level of security you gain when there is no paper or electronic record of the calculations that can be stolen. So for secure research facilities with strict rules, that is a possibility. On the other side, you have the criminal elements that might want to get at that information, but if the defenses prevent the use of electronics...then a mechanical option would be the only alternative (unless you want to include the super brainy types), making the object into something like a time piece would allow it to pass through security unnoticed and be ready for the infiltrator to use. Lastly, there is the survival and military side of things... After an EMP pulse wipes out the electronics, you have to still be able to do things... In the Navy we still train to use sextants for navigation, because sometimes the electrical stuff breaks down... That requires calculations to be made. Other branches could also use it (artillery when figuring out fire missions for example).
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  • MM2ss wrote: In the Navy we still train to use sextants for navigation, because sometimes the electrical stuff breaks down... That requires calculations to be made. Other branches could also use it (artillery when figuring out fire missions for example).


    In the case of LORAN-C in some locations, one can wish it broke down. Either it was a wee bit inaccurate, or we were on one of the US Navy's few landgoing ships.

    Picture conning a ship in a busy stretch of international waters, with both ship's gyrocompasses paws-up, and you the JO responsible for that gear. :whistle:

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  • I learned to do land navigation, I can't remember the technical title now, (orienteeering) in the army, using a compass, a map and a set of field glasses. If you did it right, you got where you meant to go, or could find where you were, or where an unknown object was if you knew your position and laid in an azimuth for it. Or you could find your position, tell someone your position and a bearing on an unknown object and if someone else could observe your object from an also known position then you could triangulate it. All done with pencil and paper and not even an electronic calculator as I recall. Though I did check the weight of explosives we would need to bring down a bridge with an electronic calculator later. We were frighteningly close for working in the field without much more than tape measures and a table of explosives to be used in certain situations and formulas for situations not covered in the table. We didn't know how thick the concrete was for certain in some places and missed a small amount. Probably would have made the bridge unusable if we had actually been doing it as a combat operation rather than as a dry run to see if we had learned our trade.
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  • LORAN-C was broken down...at all times... What was the standard? Something like a 3 mile fix? That's fine in the open ocean...but near the coast or on inland waters, not so much.

    Let the RLG really lock in while people are not on point and things can get fun too...or if you get too much accumulation of errors due to pure frequency oscillation.

    I think the hardest plotting I ever had to do was not for ship navigation but for weapon navigation. Getting multiple plots for a series of TLAM-C launches was a real pain, and I did not feel particularly well rewarded seeing as I was the backup to the fire control system. Meaning that if all my stuff matched up I got no credit for the work and if anything was different I had to prove I was right and the computer was wrong. Now plotting ADCAP solutions was easy, speed strips and a minute of work tops to have a solution ready to go.
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  • MM2ss wrote: LORAN-C was broken down...at all times... What was the standard? Something like a 3 mile fix? That's fine in the open ocean...but near the coast or on inland waters, not so much.


    Wikipedia claims the over/under was 79m if you were in an aircraft.

    The only time I can recall it getting used was in coastal waters with jack for landmarks to shoot bearings to.

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  • So... the Navy's equivalent of the M247 DIVAD ? (Yeah, dating myself, I know, I know...)

    Oh, well, at least they didn't give it a callsign that was as painfully ironic as "Sgt. York" (after the celebrated WWI doughboy known for, among other things, personal frugality and being a crack shot) for an air defense system that couldn't hit a station-holding helicopter at 100m distance and 50m altitude, despite development costs approaching a magnitude over the original budget...

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  • But remember, Loran is a WW2 era system.
    Back then, a few miles in the middle of no-where was a lot better than a navigator could do on an aircraft. No satellites, or INS.

    Mind, the RN never bothered much with Loran, it considered a human navigator more accurate (and unaffected by blown fuses!)
    We did make use of Decca a lot, though, it was very accurate and reliable and well suited to European waters.

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  • DanZilla wrote: Why don't we bring this conversation back around to the story...


    Sure. What's your opinion on Janine having a marked preference for mechanical devices over electronics, chemistry, genetics, etc., and for hand-crafted vs. easily automated construction? After all, advances in integrated circuitry over the past half-century have been impressive, but they don't solve all professional engineering problems.

    Plus, dominos and legos are cool.

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  • Well, if Agatha Heterodyne could build her self-replicating mini-clanks out of clockwork...

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  • I was a MM, then there are my hobbies of wood working and black-smithing. I have a strong bias for the mechanical over the electrical. I am also of the opinion that mechanical items are more reliable and more easily worked on than electrical gizmos. Lastly, who doesn't love Rube Goldberg like devices and chain reactions?

    Mechanical systems also over amazing versatility in terms of the range of available options even when using the same basic equipment. For example reduction gears increase torque at the output by reducing the speed through one or more steps... But that same gear system, if you use the former output as the input allows you to convert a low speed (but higher torque) input into a much faster output. All without changing anything other than the end you use as the input/output. Now look at an electrical fan, no matter how fast you spin the blades, you are not generating electricity, though on some fans I will admit that you can make them go from blow to suck if you turn the plug half-way over...on a real old fan with only two prongs of the same size.

    Janine may not be able to produce things that are as flashy as someone that specialized in plasma weapons or glitter capturing force fields (sell those to wondercute for big bucks). But she should, in theory, be able to make many highly practical and versatile things. Most likely at a fairly low cost compared to the ultra-high tech items that may appeal to a much wider market. I am inclined to say she has on of the more practical powers in terms of living a "normal" life.
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  • Not strictly true. While the common sort of AC electric engines are not reversible, there are plenty of ones that are -- you turn the axle, and it works as a dynamo.

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  • Fair enough, there are some. But far less common then one will find in mechanical systems.
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  • I think it comes down to the design of the system, in that I believe that it is easier to reverse a mechanical system with minimal redesign. An electrical system either takes extensive forethought or redesign to reverse, while for a purely mechanical system this is not so.
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  • Worm gears are not reversible.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: Worm gears are not reversible.


    Oh yes they are (he says, having a set on his telescope :)

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  • My Langley Streamline bait-caster disagrees. It is a direct drive reel of an older design. The handle never disengages. When casting the worm gear operates in one direction and when retrieving the worm gear operates in the opposite direction.
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  • About the only non-reversible gear is a true herring-bone gear that uses a non-dry lubricant and "self-locking" worm gears.
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  • I had to laugh at the Masterminds. Their plan is basically the same as Esquires' plan. Perhaps a bit more subtle but ultimately, it relies on Glyph being afraid and running into someone's arms. Someone should have pointed out that similarity. When Esquire outed Glyph she didn't run and she didn't hide. She just continued on. So "needing training" is not going to make her run to the Masterminds for help. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And they are supposed to be smarter than that.
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  • jmhyp wrote: I had to laugh at the Masterminds. Their plan is basically the same as Esquires' plan. Perhaps a bit more subtle but ultimately, it relies on Glyph being afraid and running into someone's arms. Someone should have pointed out that similarity. When Esquire outed Glyph she didn't run and she didn't hide. She just continued on. So "needing training" is not going to make her run to the Masterminds for help. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And they are supposed to be smarter than that.

    Yeah we see that, but unless someone who they respect points that out to them they will fail to see that their plan is essentially the same as the last plan that failed. To do this is human. Sometimes we get enamored of an idea to the point that we will not abandon it no matter the evidence that said idea is false! And we are supposed to be adults. The Masterminds are teenagers, how can they be different (even with magic [or maybe especially because of] upgrades) than any other human who has failed to apprehend his plan's similarity to other failed plans...
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  • Anne wrote:

    jmhyp wrote: I had to laugh at the Masterminds. Their plan is basically the same as Esquires' plan. Perhaps a bit more subtle but ultimately, it relies on Glyph being afraid and running into someone's arms. Someone should have pointed out that similarity. When Esquire outed Glyph she didn't run and she didn't hide. She just continued on. So "needing training" is not going to make her run to the Masterminds for help. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And they are supposed to be smarter than that.

    Yeah we see that, but unless someone who they respect points that out to them they will fail to see that their plan is essentially the same as the last plan that failed. To do this is human. Sometimes we get enamored of an idea to the point that we will not abandon it no matter the evidence that said idea is false! And we are supposed to be adults. The Masterminds are teenagers, how can they be different (even with magic [or maybe especially because of] upgrades) than any other human who has failed to apprehend his plan's similarity to other failed plans...


    First. great story. Looking forward to seeing more gen two high jinks.

    But something that popped into my mind the other week after reading this. Why are only future villains eligible for the Masterminds? I realize that the Mastermind is generally considered a genre? type of bad guy.

    But why can't there be a mastermind hero? And could the club reject someone who is not planning on going down the lawbreaker track?
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  • I believe that the Masterminds are judged as evil because they are after power rather than necessarily advertising their opposition to known villains or persons who are known to have broken the law, or who are suspected of doing so therefore they are viewed with suspicion and tarred by the brush of those who would say that well you associated with that known criminal so you to must be a criminal.
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  • peter wrote: But something that popped into my mind the other week after reading this. Why are only future villains eligible for the Masterminds? I realize that the Mastermind is generally considered a genre? type of bad guy.

    But why can't there be a mastermind hero? And could the club reject someone who is not planning on going down the lawbreaker track?


    Well, that's easy. Because we write it that way intentionally. The Whateley Clubs are cliche because they are meant to be cliche cliques... except when they aren't. Do kids who were Stoners in your high school always end up being stoners all their lives? Do the Jocks all end up pro-ball? Are the Nerds all working for Microsoft? Sure, some of them did exactly what being part of their club made you expect from them. Some of them went the opposite route - the Jock who ended up a scientist, the stoner who runs his own business, the Nerd who married the heiress... and so on. We do both... We have real heroic kids who pursue FSHA with all seriousness. And we have the ones whose only thing heroic about them is the size of their ego. We have the kids of supervillains ... some of whom are serious bad apples ... others of whom recognize that the label doesn't always mean evil, sometimes it just means what you see important in life is outside the boundaries of law. How often do we play the Underdogs as actual 'weaklings'... even if everyone thinks their powers are lame?

    There's always variation. Except when there isn't because its funnier that way. Or there's a better story to tell. Etc.

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  • peter wrote: But why can't there be a mastermind hero? And could the club reject someone who is not planning on going down the lawbreaker track?

    Well, first of all what kind of masterminds are we talking about? When I think mastermind, I think of somebody like Kingpin, Xanatos, or Lex Luthor; or keeping inside the WU, people like Dominus, Nimbus, and maybe Lord Paramount. The Masterminds club, however, seems like it just uses the term as a snazzy name for a general villain club. So in that sense they're just the villainous parallel to the Cape Squad and the idea of admitting a mastermind hero doesn't really make sense. Regardless, yes, they certainly can reject people who don't intend to take a villainous route. They're not an official club, after all. They can do what they want.

    As far as actual mastermind-type heroes go, though, Ayla, Hartford, and Ty West come to mind, and Glyph is heading in that direction. A case can be made for both Mrs. Potter and Brigand as well.

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    peter wrote: But why can't there be a mastermind hero? And could the club reject someone who is not planning on going down the lawbreaker track?

    Well, first of all what kind of masterminds are we talking about? When I think mastermind, I think of somebody like Kingpin, Xanatos, or Lex Luthor; or keeping inside the WU, people like Dominus, Nimbus, and maybe Lord Paramount. The Masterminds club, however, seems like it just uses the term as a snazzy name for a general villain club. So in that sense they're just the villainous parallel to the Cape Squad and the idea of admitting a mastermind hero doesn't really make sense. Regardless, yes, they certainly can reject people who don't intend to take a villainous route. They're not an official club, after all. They can do what they want.

    As far as actual mastermind-type heroes go, though, Ayla, Hartford, and Ty West come to mind, and Glyph is heading in that direction. A case can be made for both Mrs. Potter and Brigand as well.

    I think that is the role, whether or not she likes it that Jadis/Frost Diabolik will be cast in. Certainly no hero group is going to give her the time of day for a long time...
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  • Let me sum it up:
    Yes, the Masterminds is the club for people who are interested in careers where the law is something you only pay attention to know how to break it.
    But no, they are not really "masterminds". Maybe a couple of them are masterminds-in-the-making, and the rest are... well, fodder.
    But they all LIKE to THINK of themselves as being "Masterminds." That's where the club name comes from.

    As for true-masterminds-in-the-making at the school... Ayla and Jadis naturally come on top. The Don might qualify, although he is not much for the actual planning. Several of the A-Team, with their focus on strategy, might qualify. Oiler, perhaps, with his penchant for driving from the backseat and letting Fantastico be the figurehead. And I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Judicator is actually running the New Olympians and nobody noticed it. Goddess of Strategy and Wisdom, you know... we had a sample of that in the Angel in Dickinson affair.
    In the Masterminds club themselves, I would say that Stopwatch thinks of himself as such, but Hazard or Heartbreaker might end up one-upping him -- they are smart enough and devious enough, without being hampered by his massive ego and insecurities.

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  • Kristin Darken wrote: Well, that's easy. Because we write it that way intentionally. The Whateley Clubs are cliche because they are meant to be cliche cliques... except when they aren't.


    Which cliche is Wondercute?

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  • Angeldude wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: Well, that's easy. Because we write it that way intentionally. The Whateley Clubs are cliche because they are meant to be cliche cliques... except when they aren't.


    Which cliche is Wondercute?


    Fellowship of Christian Athletes?

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  • Angeldude wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: Well, that's easy. Because we write it that way intentionally. The Whateley Clubs are cliche because they are meant to be cliche cliques... except when they aren't.


    Which cliche is Wondercute?


    Mean Girls.

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  • Kristin Darken wrote:

    Angeldude wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: Well, that's easy. Because we write it that way intentionally. The Whateley Clubs are cliche because they are meant to be cliche cliques... except when they aren't.


    Which cliche is Wondercute?


    Mean Girls.


    Really i thought it was agressjve cutsy anime addicts....

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  • Sir Lee wrote: Let me sum it up:
    Yes, the Masterminds is the club for people who are interested in careers where the law is something you only pay attention to know how to break it.
    But no, they are not really "masterminds". Maybe a couple of them are masterminds-in-the-making, and the rest are... well, fodder.
    But they all LIKE to THINK of themselves as being "Masterminds." That's where the club name comes from.

    As for true-masterminds-in-the-making at the school... Ayla and Jadis naturally come on top. The Don might qualify, although he is not much for the actual planning. Several of the A-Team, with their focus on strategy, might qualify. Oiler, perhaps, with his penchant for driving from the backseat and letting Fantastico be the figurehead. And I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Judicator is actually running the New Olympians and nobody noticed it. Goddess of Strategy and Wisdom, you know... we had a sample of that in the Angel in Dickinson affair.
    In the Masterminds club themselves, I would say that Stopwatch thinks of himself as such, but Hazard or Heartbreaker might end up one-upping him -- they are smart enough and devious enough, without being hampered by his massive ego and insecurities.


    Jello seems to be in the Masterminds because Heartbreaker is. She never came across as the "I am going to be a villain" mindset.

    Half of the Gen 1 Seeds think they are masterminds, but only Jadis and perhaps Silver Serpent or Cheese could be. Nephandus and Jobe certainly are not.

    Mule of the Grunts is likely to be a great "mastermind" or at least military leader, especially if he keeps getting schooled by Jade.

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