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Question Hank 7: And all who sail in her!

7 years 1 month ago #1 by Dreamer
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  • A new Hank story from Phoenix Spiritus. So enjoy and comment.

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
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  • This was fun! And full of Team Kimba!

    That ending was sweet and funny! Nice!

    That small but important info of what Hannah was like, compared to Hank! Woah!

    No wonder your brother was such a brat if you pulled tricks like that on your parents to get your way!


    I'm wondering how seriously to take that... 'Cause it makes me sympathetic for Jay, and I dunno if I should? ... I need to review the origin scenes to better understand his reaction...

    To top it off, you've done it across three continents! If there is a more pressing threat to the continued existence of this institution than you lot, I cannot imagine what it could be!"


    TemptingFate. I'll bet it's Mythos-related, and it's The Bastard.
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  • Malady wrote:

    To top it off, you've done it across three continents! If there is a more pressing threat to the continued existence of this institution than you lot, I cannot imagine what it could be!"


    TemptingFate. I'll bet it's Mythos-related, and it's The Bastard.


    Or Justin Bieber.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Malady wrote:

    To top it off, you've done it across three continents! If there is a more pressing threat to the continued existence of this institution than you lot, I cannot imagine what it could be!"


    TemptingFate. I'll bet it's Mythos-related, and it's The Bastard.


    Or Justin Bieber.

    Oh no! Not Justin Bieber! Next you'll insist it might be the Spice Girls!
    7 years 1 month ago #5 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


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    7 years 1 month ago - 7 years 1 month ago #6 by Malady
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  • Oh! Right, we saw the Ghost Walkers battle in another POV... I think? ... Forget where, though...

    And those Servants Tunnels spells... Was Vamp ambushed inside Poe, and if so, that's how the kidnappers avoided things and stuff?

    They're a massive security hole, for Poe... How long before it's exploited by some villains??

    Kohenes is intended for one of the other Queens? ... Has Kohenes met any of the other Royal-relateds? Elle or Absinthe, if she counts? Maybe the Curser?
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    7 years 1 month ago #7 by Valentine
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  • Dreamer wrote: Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.


    Even if sometimes they are longer than the story. :whistle:

    A great little story showing what the Kimbas and friends are up to. It's nice to see that Leanne is learning that 'orders' from Hank's friends are things she should be doing, even if she doesn't have to do them.

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  • Malady wrote: Oh! Right, we saw the Ghost Walkers battle in another POV... I think?

    I know it was in one of the Kayda stories I think!

    ... Forget where, though...

    And those Servants Tunnels spells... Was Vamp ambushed inside Poe, and if so, that's how the kidnappers avoided things and stuff?

    They're a massive security hole, for Poe... How long before it's exploited by some villains??

    Kohenes is intended for one of the other Queens? ... Has Kohenes met any of the other Royal-relateds? Elle or Absinthe, if she counts? Maybe the Curser?

    No I'm pretty sure that Vamp was taken outside of Poe. I know that Murphy was taken outside of Melville, mainly because she did one thing that is hard to avoid. She used the same spot, and the same method for getting to that spot, if I recall correctly.
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  • Routines are one of the greatest weaknesses of any person or organization.

    Now, I think Anne is correct about Vamp and Murphy. However, if someone decides to target Hank, Lily or Team Kimba by going after Leanne, or similarly target Fey by going after Koehnes... Yes, the "Servants Entrance" spells could be a weak point that they might be able to exploit, say if they have to be in a certain area to use them or go through certain procedures for example.

    One of the things we trained on repeatedly in the military was to break up our routines. There was also one somewhat funny incident report, where an officer had a particular routine that ended up protecting him. See, every day he was observed checking his car before going to work and the people targeting him eventually got caught before they could strike. They thought he was checking for bombs and tracking devices and was a "hard" target to get at. The reality was he was losing fluids and was looking for the source of the leak. So funny, but also sort of frightening. He had no idea he was being targeted.

    Now, the breaking of routines training was another matter. We were told to use different gates when entering the base, drive different routes, not always leave home at the same time (which was annoying, who wants to be at work an hour early just because of some terrorists?), not to always stop at the same places (so get your coffee from different gas stations I guess). The idea was that it made you a harder target for ambush or snatch and grab type things.

    Strangely, the value of keeping certain routines was also discussed, that is when the incident report about the officer came up. The key point was that you developed a sense of familiarity with places and people. Thus you were more likely to notice if something was "wrong" or "off". The end result was that our command wanted us to have a few routes we knew intimately so that "the enemy" could not decide we would be at a particular place at a particular time but that we would know those places well enough to know when something wasn't right.

    Lastly, Barney...I mean Williams... I think we all had "that teacher" at some point in our lives. That "see things my way or else" teacher that just makes everyone hate whatever subject they teach. I am a history nut. Hell, I am a bushel or maybe even a hogshead of nuts if one is measuring interest in history. But I had one teacher in high school that well, to put it politely should not have been allowed to train her own dog, much less teach students. She did not know history well at all and even if you showed in the book where something was stated if she didn't agree with it then it was wrong. I ended up having to appeal to the principal several times during that course to have grades changed. On the final I literally went from a 47 to a 98 on my appeal... Somehow her gross ignorance and incompetence did not douse the flame of my lust for historical knowledge, but several other students, well they went from some degree of interest to pretty much zero in that classroom... Williams seems to be of that ilk... Anything Imp does to him is well deserved not only for what he did to her but for how he treats the subject of history. One of the key elements in ALL of the social sciences, including history, is to identify personal biases and mitigate them.
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  • MM2ss Barney giving him an A- is basically acknowledging he's right, begrudgingly

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  • Malady wrote: Oh! Right, we saw the Ghost Walkers battle in another POV... I think? ... Forget where, though...


    Kayda 10: There's No Place Like Poe (Part 4)

    Kohenes is intended for one of the other Queens? ... Has Kohenes met any of the other Royal-relateds? Elle or Absinthe, if she counts? Maybe the Curser?


    Kohenes Is meant for Aughadhail, Nikki is not Aughadhail and worries that Kohenes may not exactly enjoy being her servant.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Malady wrote: Oh! Right, we saw the Ghost Walkers battle in another POV... I think? ... Forget where, though...


    Kayda 10: There's No Place Like Poe (Part 4)

    Kohenes is intended for one of the other Queens? ... Has Kohenes met any of the other Royal-relateds? Elle or Absinthe, if she counts? Maybe the Curser?

    As Phoenix says below, the issue isn't any other Royal, it is that she is Aunghadhail's brownie, not Niki's. But because until Aunghadhail ended up having a house dropped on her to save Niki from becoming a supervillain to end all supervillains Niki was essentially Aunghadhail. Kohenes won't go to someone else, but now that Aunghadhail is gone Niki does rightfully (I expect) concern herself with the feeling that Kohenes may serve less than willingly.

    Kohenes Is meant for Aughadhail, Nikki is not Aughadhail and worries that Kohenes may not exactly enjoy being her servant.

    Oh also, thank you for finding the correct Kayda part for me, I could remember reading it just not where!
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Kohenes Is meant for Aughadhail, Nikki is not Aughadhail and worries that Kohenes may not exactly enjoy being her servant.


    I didn't know that Koehnes is Jewish!

    W/r/t Barney, I now have even less remorse over having a (WhatIF) character turn in a couple of weeks' homework written in Old Norse on birch bark. :cheer:

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  • Hey you could have turned in the scriptures of the Kellith in their original form. I understand that they often cause radical changes in attitude!
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  • Anne wrote: Hey you could have turned in the scriptures of the Kellith in their original form. I understand that they often cause radical changes in attitude!


    And gender, sexual orientation, promiscuity, and the ability to make Julienne Fries.

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  • mhalpern wrote: MM2ss Barney giving him an A- is basically acknowledging he's right, begrudgingly


    I can see that point of view. My feelings on the matter (biased as they are) would make me suggest that a place like Whateley might make just failing someone or giving arbitrary grades a bit more difficult. Or that a place like Whateley likely has some sort of appeals process for grades and that someone like Ayla would know very well how to use it.

    Now, if Whateley lacked an effective appeals process or if Ayla was a "don't rock the boat" sort of person that would not stand up and complain over something? All the bits and pieces we have seen of Williams leads me to believe he would fail someone or give poor grades as retribution if he thought he could get away with it.

    Lastly, there is one other thing I despised in school, and that was an English Lit professor that believed no paper was perfect, he would not give anyone a 100 even when he found no errors. He reason was, "just because I can't find it doesn't mean it is not wrong"... Those are two of the three types of teachers I /hated/. The third was the kind that thought you only had their course and piled on hours of homework...
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  • Oh, I had a few of these. When students complained, they "joked": "Why, are you doing anything between midnight and 6 A.M.?"

    As for the "my way or the highway" sort... well, I had a Intro to Sociology prof (she didn't deserve the "essor" part) who explained the history of Sociology roughly this way:
    1. It all started with Auguste Comte, but he was an elitist jerk and everything he wrote is wrong.
    2. Then came Marx and his Only Prophet Engels, and they brought wisdom from the Heavens.
    3. Then, there was a guy called... I forget... oh yeah, Max Weber. He disagreed with Marx, so by definition he's Comte rebaked and it's not worth talking about him.
    4. Then came the Frankfurt School, who were Marxists and therefore right. And no, I'm not going to even mention that Adorno, for instance, later recanted many of his Marxist writings.
    5. And then came the Second Coming, in the form of Gramsci. Who you KNOW was right, because he ended up in prison. Ohh... Gramsci... <huff> <huff>... yes baby, do me... sorry, I have to go to the restroom.

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    7 years 1 month ago #18 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Sir Lee wrote: 5. And then came the Second Coming, in the form of Gramsci. Who you KNOW was right, because he ended up in prison. Ohh... Gramsci... <huff> <huff>... yes baby, do me... sorry, I have to go to the restroom.


    I need to go wash my eyes...with bleach... :sick:

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  • Anne wrote: Hey you could have turned in the scriptures of the Kellith in their original form. I understand that they often cause radical changes in attitude!


    IIRC, "Incongruity" was written in English, which seems well-suited to abuse of temporal perspectives.

    On another note, it's been two whole weeks of Fall 2007 and TK hasn't had group detention yet!

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  • Thankfully my college Sociology and various Social Science professors were rational and logical people.

    As for Gramsci...well his theory on cultural hegemony has some merit, the rest of his ideas, not so much. Of course what he calls "cultural hegemony" the rest of us call "society" and it includes things like norms and mores, you know the accepted overall ways one should act in a given society...sometimes known as "culture".

    Next, "Attention shoppers, eye bleach is two for one on aisle 17"...

    Lastly, as one of my professors pointed out. Socialism/Marxism does work in certain situations and scenarios. For example very small groups where people are truly dependent on each other. Where it falters is when a society gets large enough to require some form of overall direction (you know,"government"). Essentially the Marxist model can only function in a group where all are able to contribute and are willing to do so. As soon as you have people unable or unwilling to contribute and require some outside factor to force compliance or to manage aspects of the group, it collapses.
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  • In short, we come to my sociological theorem:

    Utopian ideals work perfectly well.

    Until you add humans.
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  • Pretty much the case. Any system of government, economics or whatever else works fine until you let people with free will get involved.
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  • The theoretical best form of government is an Enlightened Despot. Being Enlightened, they would not only want to do the best possible for their sudits, but (the other meaning o Enlightened) they would know how to do it. Being a Despot, they could act without getting all bogged down in parliamentary procedure and stuff.
    The hard part is finding a true Enlightened Despot. People have been trying for about... 8000 years? And the rate of success has been really low (most would argue "zero", but I'm allowing for the possibility that it has really happened somewhere).

    Myself, I do have my Absolute Despot fantasies now and again. They usually involve adding a couple articles to the Constitution and then retiring (half an hour later), with the proviso "don't even THINK about revoking those articles, or I'll come back". I don't really want the job.

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  • I just have one thing to say...Byuwahahahahahahaa!
    :evil:

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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  • JG wrote: In short, we come to my sociological theorem:

    Utopian ideals work perfectly well.

    Until you add humans.

    My theorem is this: Govts are all expressions of power. Having read and believed Lord Acton, that Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, It is my contention that the founders of the USA who said that the govt that governs best is that which governs least were exactly right. However, men being men and politicians of all stripes being overshadowed by evil entities (or their base nature [whichever you choose to believe]) men who enter the arena of politics seek always to arrogate to themselves as much power as they can. They use power as a substitute for nuts, or cash if you prefer.
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  • So, um … about the story?
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: So, um … about the story?

    Oh we were supposed to discuss the story rather than snark on politics? Okay...
    Hmm...
    I really enjoy your work Phoenix. I think you bring so much life to Hank that you take him from the two dimensional supporting role (at best) where he started, to an actual person who I can identify with. Your story catches my attention from the first line and holds it past the last line. Like most of the parts of stories posted here I wait with bated breath for the next part you have to share with us.
    Thank you many many times for taking the time to write, and then share with us.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: So, um … about the story?


    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    So is TK running the Alpha Track, the Omega Track or the OpFor Track or all of the Tracks?

    I'm pretty sure that Jade isn't a good influence for Leanne, but Anna, Molly, and the other members of Wondercute probably are.

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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: So, um … about the story?


    Story? There was a story?

    Just messing obviously. I found it to be great, well, except for Williams, like I mentioned earlier, something about him bugs me. Everything progresses logically, it all ties together well, you are one of those folks that write in a manner that anyone should be able to follow the plot, even after a long day of work. Your works, including this one, act almost like a pick me up and even when I am utterly bushed, I just can't stop reading. That, in my opinion, is the mark of a dang good piece of writing.
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  • Valentine wrote:

    Anne wrote: Hey you could have turned in the scriptures of the Kellith in their original form. I understand that they often cause radical changes in attitude!


    And gender, sexual orientation, promiscuity, and the ability to make Julienne Fries.


    Or Julian Fries :P

    I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: So, um … about the story?


    I liked how she pranked Hank, hence the laughing :)

    In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.

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  • One question I'm asking myself right now is how the Grunts will deal with the truth when they learn about it. Learning you won two fights because the opposition threw them is bad enough, but there is also the facts they only won these matches by the skin of their teeth will surely sting extra hard, especially against the Kimboids, that they seem to consider as hopeless goofballs at the very least (I do hope that they learn about it. Te sandbagging trick is intended to keep idiots in the dark, and Grunts aren't idiots enough to not eventually get the message after reviewing enough their matches with the Kimboids). Maybe it could spring a change of opinion about them
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  • Hardric wrote: One question I'm asking myself right now is how the Grunts will deal with the truth when they learn about it. Learning you won two fights because the opposition threw them is bad enough, but there is also the facts they only won these matches by the skin of their teeth will surely sting extra hard


    On the other hand, they only lost by the skin of their teeth against a team that still has all of its members from Spring 2007, while the Grunts are down two graduating seniors (Breaker, Deadeye) from the previous year until they find suitable personnel to bring up to speed. They should be struggling more to achieve a win than they did in the past.

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  • Also, some of the Grunts are (more or less) friendly with the Kimbas. Bunker and Mule, for instance, fought beside them against the Voodoo Wolves. Lancer is a part-time Grunt. They may be annoyed by the less-than-serious attitude of the Kimbas regarding something they take very seriously (and Mule might be still feeling the humiliation from that Combat Final), but they do have a lot of respect for their abilities. Losing to the Kimbas may not make them happy, but at least they aren't losing against the Cutettes. Or even against the joke that the Vindicators have become.

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  • With TK being the secret red team to the other teams who will be the red team for TK? I ask because people will get suspicious it they do not face a red team.
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  • sam105 wrote: With TK being the secret red team to the other teams who will be the red team for TK? I ask because people will get suspicious it they do not face a red team.


    They won't be THE red team, but function as A red team that's scaled up or down to suit the scenario. Some of those other opposing forces will still include instructors, staff, and/or any of the more senior teams that haven't been shown.

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  • Well Phoenix, once again you have given us a brilliant story from Hanks perspective, involving all of the members of Team Kimba :)
    Your writing skills are second to none imo because you make your stories entertaining in a very believable way, with many nuances and subtle bits inserted throughout the story. Plus the story flows easily without us readers having to re-read all the previous episodes to understand the current one B)
    Your writing of Hank and the rest of team Kimba is breathing life into the Gen One Story Line, no mean feat with 90% of the Authors of team Kimba “On Holiday” :silly:
    Your telling of Team Kimba stories from Hanks perspective is balancing up The Whole Gen One story line, by providing a backdrop and foil for the newer authors to weave more great stories involving their own Characters :cheer:
    I appreciate and enjoy all of the story’s from all the Authors here and I find your Hank Story’s the most heart warming of all :)
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  • Hardric wrote: On the other hand, they only lost by the skin of their teeth against a team that still has all of its members from Spring 2007, while the Grunts are down two graduating seniors (Breaker, Deadeye) from the previous year until they find suitable personnel to bring up to speed. They should be struggling more to achieve a win than they did in the past.


    Ah, the Grunts won, both times … they just don't know that the Kimbas let them :cheer:
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Hardric wrote: On the other hand, they only lost by the skin of their teeth against a team that still has all of its members from Spring 2007, while the Grunts are down two graduating seniors (Breaker, Deadeye) from the previous year until they find suitable personnel to bring up to speed. They should be struggling more to achieve a win than they did in the past.


    Ah, the Grunts won, both times … they just don't know that the Kimbas let them :cheer:


    Do you or JG have any new Grunts planned?

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  • Coming up with new grunts is hard. There are already so many .

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  • sam105 wrote: With TK being the secret red team to the other teams who will be the red team for TK? I ask because people will get suspicious it they do not face a red team.

    Team Awesome, obviously.

    What's worse than losing to a well-trained team in a close match? Or worse than losing to Wondercute?

    Losing to 10 to 12 year olds.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

    Hardric wrote: On the other hand, they only lost by the skin of their teeth against a team that still has all of its members from Spring 2007, while the Grunts are down two graduating seniors (Breaker, Deadeye) from the previous year until they find suitable personnel to bring up to speed. They should be struggling more to achieve a win than they did in the past.


    Ah, the Grunts won, both times … they just don't know that the Kimbas let them :cheer:


    Yet. At some point TK will slip or they will realize they have been losing too often not to be throwing the match with so many near wins

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  • Katssun wrote:

    sam105 wrote: With TK being the secret red team to the other teams who will be the red team for TK? I ask because people will get suspicious it they do not face a red team.

    Team Awesome, obviously.

    What's worse than losing to a well-trained team in a close match? Or worse than losing to Wondercute?

    Losing to 10 to 12 year olds.


    Pretty sure that all of Team Awesome is 4th and 5th graders, 9 or 10 years old.

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  • Valentine wrote:

    Katssun wrote:

    sam105 wrote: With TK being the secret red team to the other teams who will be the red team for TK? I ask because people will get suspicious it they do not face a red team.

    Team Awesome, obviously.

    What's worse than losing to a well-trained team in a close match? Or worse than losing to Wondercute?

    Losing to 10 to 12 year olds.


    Pretty sure that all of Team Awesome is 4th and 5th graders, 9 or 10 years old.

    You're right about that. Given their youth, I wonder how long it will take them to realize that it is not a good idea to be seen as the best sim team around. After all in a sort of caricature of the old west, if you become known as a tough man, others will come gunning for you, to help build their own reputation as tough teams...
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  • Anne wrote:

    Valentine wrote:

    Katssun wrote:

    sam105 wrote: With TK being the secret red team to the other teams who will be the red team for TK? I ask because people will get suspicious it they do not face a red team.

    Team Awesome, obviously.

    What's worse than losing to a well-trained team in a close match? Or worse than losing to Wondercute?

    Losing to 10 to 12 year olds.


    Pretty sure that all of Team Awesome is 4th and 5th graders, 9 or 10 years old.

    You're right about that. Given their youth, I wonder how long it will take them to realize that it is not a good idea to be seen as the best sim team around. After all in a sort of caricature of the old west, if you become known as a tough man, others will come gunning for you, to help build their own reputation as tough teams...

    Problem with going against Team Awesome is that they are thornies for a reason they can barely control their powers safely

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  • Oi Phoenix! You deserve the compliments.

    Except regarding Jade and Leanne - whoever thought that pair up deserves a straight jacket and then some. :-p

    Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
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  • Ametros wrote: Oi Phoenix! You deserve the compliments.


    :cheer:

    Except regarding Jade and Leanne - whoever thought that pair up deserves a straight jacket and then some. :-p


    :ohmy:
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  • Anne wrote: It is my contention that the founders of the USA who said that the govt that governs best is that which governs least were exactly right.


    As Ayla might point out, there is no contemporary evidence of that claim appearing in English prior to its expression by Henry David Thoreau. The earliest published statement attributing it to a "Founding Father" is a 1954 propaganda tract.

    OTOH, Williams would probably insist that they either said it or at least believed it deeply. And mark Ayla down for disagreeing.
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  • And there you see gentle beings, the reason that govts are not to be trusted ever!
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  • Anne wrote: And there you see gentle beings, the reason that govts are not to be trusted ever!


    I don’t know, I trust the Australian government, but we made sure that you know, not only does everyone get the right to vote, but they also get equal rights to vote and then are made to use them. Australian governments really do have at least half the population voting for them, not half the people who voted, half the people in the land.

    When a Government is ‘elected’ by a minority of the people who voted, and on top of that millions of people didn’t even have the right to vote for it in the first place, you tend to get things like distrust and anger at that government, that’s only natural. It’s then highly ironic to the rest of the world when they go on about their ‘founding fathers’ and their fight for ‘no taxation without representation’. Do you not tax the US territories? How come they can’t vote for the president of the United States then?
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  • Actually not being taxed is why Puerto Rico insists on not being a state. Most of the protections, almost none of the responsibilities
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  • There is a reason I do not trust the government as a whole... I worked for them. Some of the things you see happen just really boggle the mind. The old line about, "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." -Oscar Wilde is sadly true.

    We, as a society and our government have forgotten that the Constitution was designed to limit the government.

    Yes, the federal government did need more authority that the Articles of Confederation provided for. But the idea that it needs as much authority and power as it now wields is a concept promoted by the government, not the people as a whole.

    Now, that being said, election participation is a part of the problem. How one could go about changing that is something I do not have the answer to. I do have some theories on why voter turn out is so low. I attribute it to the lack of political diversity (the two party system is a disaster no matter how you look at it) and to the feeling that "it doesn't matter" that many voters have (if you are a liberal in a highly conservative area, your vote lacks meaning, same for a conservative in a highly liberal area...that problem is intensified by allowing politicians to draw up the voting districts). The other problem is with the way candidates are selected, they tends to be from the far left or far right because they are chosen in a party primary and so try to be "exemplars" of whatever the party ideology is, meaning when you get to the general election you are stuck with the left and right wingnuts instead of someone rational.

    Lastly, on territories and taxes... It is complicated. See, territories pay no federal income taxes, so they are not taxed in that sense. But the people there still pay many other federal taxes (payroll, social security, estate, gift and business taxes for example). However, the no federal income tax is a big break for those areas. The trade off is they do not get to vote in presidential elections. They also have limited congressional representation, in the form of a delegate in the house of representatives. Those delegates have most of the same powers as a representative from a state with one exception, they do not get to vote on measures on the house floor. They are permitted to serve on committees, debate measures, introduce legislation, add amendments to legislation and vote in committees they are part of. The only real difference is they do not get a vote on measures that are before the house as a whole. The territories have no representation in the senate.
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  • MM2ss wrote: Lastly, on territories and taxes... It is complicated. See, territories pay no federal income taxes, so they are not taxed in that sense. But the people there still pay many other federal taxes (payroll, social security, estate, gift and business taxes for example). However, the no federal income tax is a big break for those areas. The trade off is they do not get to vote in presidential elections. They also have limited congressional representation, in the form of a delegate in the house of representatives. Those delegates have most of the same powers as a representative from a state with one exception, they do not get to vote on measures on the house floor. They are permitted to serve on committees, debate measures, introduce legislation, add amendments to legislation and vote in committees they are part of. The only real difference is they do not get a vote on measures that are before the house as a whole. The territories have no representation in the senate.


    So ... that would be taxation without representation right?

    Kind of hard for the rest of the world to not see that as a rather hypocritical, which does spoil the whole ‘defender of democracy’ bravado.

    :evil:
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  • People keep talking about democracy... I have lost count of how many times I have pointed out that the USA is not, nor was it ever a democracy. Hell, a democratic form of government would be contrary to the Constitution. We are a Republic. Contrary to what the folks on the news seem to think, there is a difference.
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  • There is a lot of evidence that says those who want a pure democracy (for at least one vote for each 'man' for all time) wish to blur and confuse that issue, that is what exactly the USA is. We are a democratic republic, which means that the people vote for representatives who do two things. The first and most obvious that they are supposed to do is work to make sure that no legislation gets passed that would infringe on our natural rights (those who are cynical might note that they have fairly much abdicated the role of grown ups and have tried to tell everyone that they can have a party at the expense of the public treasury...) and the second (usually a second set of representatives that we don't really realize we elect) is that they serve as electors for the president. Part of the way the electoral college was set up was specifically to do what happened in the case of Trump. That is that even though more votes were cast by the people for Hillary, those votes were concentrated in a few small places like Babylon by the sea, and New Yawk and Sincity in the smog... while a goodly number of people who didn't live in one of those three places or the Sackofrottentomatoes or places like them, voted no confidence in the designated successor of Barack Obama. Some call this unfair, those of us who voted no confidence in Hillary feel that things worked pretty much the way the founders intended them to, that is the cities were kept from dictating to the rural areas how they should live. Now we know that a lot of the city folks who live in Babylon by the Sea, Sincity in the smog or Sackofrottentomatoes think they got shafted pretty hard. Some few people are saying, welcome to the world you invented folks. You were busy shafting us and we found a person who wouldn't be a milquetoastMItt, or Jeb or George. We frankly don't care what people do in general, as long as they let other people be!
    Now for everyone's information I don't like T(he)Rump. I consider him a Rump. The sad thing is that I didn't like Hillary either, and would have voted for practically anyone but Hillary. Even Bernie was better than Hillary, and without going into other things not to be discussed here, he was my last choice, if he could have overcome the deck stacking Hillary did against him.

    Now, back to Hank and Leanne, or shall we just say Hannah? I guess from what Lily did to her that Lily likes girls almost as much as she likes boys? Or is it that Leanne is so tightly connected to Hank that Lily knows that she can use her as a living voodoo doll to send her caresses and whatnot to Hank?
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  • MM2ss wrote: People keep talking about democracy... I have lost count of how many times I have pointed out that the USA is not, nor was it ever a democracy. Hell, a democratic form of government would be contrary to the Constitution. We are a Republic. Contrary to what the folks on the news seem to think, there is a difference.


    Except that it is.

    Contrary to whatever far right wing bullshit that you seem to have swallowed whole.

    Unless of course you believe that there wasn't an actual fair vote, that it was rigged to the point of being pointless to support the power grab of a mad dictator, like what happens in North Korea.
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  • I am more of a moderate and have a dislike of both the far left and far right. If one wanted to break it down further, I would be a social libertarian and a fiscal conservative.

    A difference is in how things works between a democracy and a republic. See, in a democracy you are dealing with direct voting and strict majority rules. In a republic you have limited government via some form of charter (the constitution) and representative government that vote on behalf of the population on government matters, hence the house and senate. Even a president elected not by the people but by electors (electoral college). Strangely, there is no right to even vote for those electors, Each state legislature is permitted to determine the means of choosing electors as well, a state could simply decide to have the governor appoint them if the state legislature agreed to do so.
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  • Okay, I'm calling a foul- bringing technical politics into a discussion of Internet Fiction!

    I'm giving a five-yard penalty, two minutes in the penalty box, and a Free Throw for Hello Kitty.
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  • PHBLLLLT :P There's a raspberry to go with :roflmao: Now people, can we please get back to discussing Hank? How he and Lily and Leanne interact, and anything except RWP!
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  • Anne wrote: Now, back to Hank and Leanne, or shall we just say Hannah? I guess from what Lily did to her that Lily likes girls almost as much as she likes boys? Or is it that Leanne is so tightly connected to Hank that Lily knows that she can use her as a living voodoo doll to send her caresses and whatnot to Hank?


    Errr ... she gave her a bath? Kind of like a mother with her daughter, I not sure what you read into that.

    Now Hank feeling Lily giving Leanne a bath and the soft touches of naked Lily against his skin, that’s an entirely other thing and Lily will be very embarrassed when Team Kimba starts teasing her about it and she finally realises what she did to Hank.
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  • Umuhmmmm... And you'll maintain that Lily didn't know exactly what her giving Leanne a bubble bath would do to Hank? Okay... Sure team Kimba is going to believe that!
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  • Of course assuming Hank has seen the "Beautiful but Fierce" poster... At what point does Nikki realize it, and check to see just HOW identical the two of them are... and then how furious does she get when she realizes that at some point Hank must have seen Leanne unclothed.?

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  • Rose Bunny wrote: Of course assuming Hank has seen the "Beautiful but Fierce" poster... At what point does Nikki realize it, and check to see just HOW identical the two of them are... and then how furious does she get when she realizes that at some point Hank must have seen Leanne unclothed.?


    You think Hank’s worried about Nikki’s reaction to all of that?

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