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Question To Seal our Happiness!
- Yolandria
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Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
- Malady
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If this is the Parent's Day Story for Everyone, that'd be interesting, but cool if it's just for... Whatever Nalleys + Tansy + Wyatt are called.
That robot guy... His scene is just right in the middle and so very ominous!
- Yolandria
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Mistress of the shelter for lost and redeemable Woobies!
- Malady
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Harvey Calloway !
- null0trooper
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Malady wrote: That robot guy... His scene is just right in the middle and so very ominous!
What could possibly go wrong?
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
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Any parent who wouldn't be proud of having a daughter like Lanie, a young woman who cares more about making them proud than her own feelings for so long, I don't think I could ever see her parents that way.
Rev Englund helped her figure that out as well, will wonders never cease.Ah had some long talks with Rev. Harris over the summer, and with our school chaplain, Rev Englund and with their help Ah can now see this is just how God made me. That there is nothing wrong with me and that in a way Ah was like Ruth and Naomi from the Bible in that mah ability to love was not restricted by gender. Ah don't know why, but Ah guess finding the answer to why is the real meaning of life, isn't it?
Shakespeare quote, don't tell me Tansy's father is going to show up at Whateley for Parent's Day. Oops, wrong parents. Looks like Marty is worried about meeting Stephen's parents, poor girl. Interesting new details about the Dunwick Depot. Parents Express, nice little detail, always wonder how so many parents got to the school without driving themselves or going by plane. A shapeless black beret is part of the school uniform, first I remember hearing about that detail.
Ah, so that isn't the full boys uniform, another new detail. Rosalyn and Zoe with Marty for the girls part of Poe, good choices. Cute nicknames from Marty's parents, A court reporter and a police officer, cute couple. Insisting Roz and Zoe call him Mike, I like him. Hehe, guys from his precinct want to do something for Lanie for her invention of Kevra, I would too, need more inventions for safety and protection.
Mrs. Shugendo, bringing order to a potentially chaotic situation once more. Glad to see Mike likes Steve, Melville group herded off first and that is usual, Mechano Man, nice codename and in Twain. And Marty still hasn't seen Steve's parents yet, the poor girl is going to be a wreck until she gets it over with.
Yikes, Tansy seeing herself like that in her mind's eye, she needs some help to deal with these issues. 27 days and fifteen pounds lighter, I want the exercise regime Marissa Dawson is using. The senior uniform is drab, at least it is easy to notice.
So that is what a force pistol looks like, interesting.While it was obvious there had been almost no cosmetic thought to the design of the weapon, the exactness of the machining, the dull pewter maker's medallion in the grip and the gleam of the anodized powder coat of deep tungsten blue gave it a menacing beauty.
Makes sense to me. Bwahahaha, a Flashbang holster built in a bra, that is one way to get an attacker off-guard. Whoa, her grandma and grandpa are coming, that is huge after her father basically cut them off from contact with Tansy when he mother was sent away.“When I talked to Mr. Siegel about defending myself, he said it was actually easier for him to defend me if I used a gun than if I used my hands,” she said as she returned the battery to the weapon, holstered it, and raised her shirt to attach the holster to the bra she was wearing. When the shirt was tucked back in the pistol had vanished in her decolletage. “He said it was harder to convince a jury I would have been in fear of my safety if I beat the crap out of my attacker.”
Fredrick talking to Mrs. Carson.
Bwahaha, now that is an abuse of power, changing his grade for a paper when he was a student. Love this argument between them, too funny.“Indeed,” Lord Paramount returned as he needlessly straightened a nine hundred dollar silk tie. “If I were half the villain I am made out to be, I could easily abuse my position as a trustee of this school.”
Elizabeth felt her eyebrow ascend her forehead. “Really?” she demanded. “To what end, Fredrick?”
“Well,” he said reasonably, flashing his oh so charming smile. “If I were such a villain, as a Trustee, that makes me your boss. I could finally compel you to admit my term paper on Ethan Frome was in fact worthy of an 'A' and force you to change my grade.”
This part was perfect, showing how Mrs. Carson can show her sense of humor and go to being a professional in an instant.Fredrick chuckled at his former teacher's entirely put on venom and held up his hands in defeat. “This is exactly why I am not a villain! Who has the courage to face down you?”
Call Me Coffee in Melville cottage, only they would have a coffee shop in the dorm. Maria Contessa Elyssa Gomez y Ricardo, I keep forgetting how long her full name is, that is a mouthful. Ouch, unpleasant thoughts of her mother. Ouch, the girls she hooked up with besides Lanie reminded her of her stepfather and what he did to her.
And then Elaine Nalley had dumped a glass of sweet tea down the front of Freya's blouse.
Snapped out of thoughts of the past by the arrival of Donna Fiedler. Become quite friendly in their time together, sounds like they are already a couple, bonding over things shared.
How Donna reacted, is it because they are a couple or fear of being outed. Donna encouraging her to hook up with Lanie, oh boy.Maria smiled. “You remind me of her sometimes. I was her first girlfriend and she got embarrassed very easily too.” Donna looked about furtively.
And that not being the worst of it, yikes. Wondering, thinking she was replaced by Tansy, not knowing how Tansy has changed and thinking she is still as she remembers her. Rebound affair, dang, I misread that whole situation with Donna, not dating. Yes! Maria made the first move and Donna is going on a date with her, hope this works out.And now, the one human being that finally helped her see what love was about was the one human being absolutely off limits to her.
Harvey Calloway in Crystal Hall working over schematic sounds like his robot will be impressive. Oh boy, thinking of others as ants, that isn't good. Meds took yet a hard day as no family is coming to visit him, ouch. He is in need of counseling before it becomes too late.
Love how Tansy's inner nerd thinks her grandparents are like old school Hollywood movie stars.
How Tansy's life would have changed if her grandparents had gotten custody of her after her father had her mother locked away.The couple physically reminded her of Honore Prendergast and Don Ameche, she was still a svelte, honey gold blonde who had taken care of herself and even through her dignified, somewhat conservative dress it was obvious she had been a rare beauty in her day. Her face was still quite lovely with an open, inviting smile and the icy blue eyes Tansy recognized from her own reflection. He was a tall and dapper fellow with dark, oiled hair that was going gray and the fatherly handsome face of a former matinee idol who still had the swagger to sport a pencil thin mustache. He was wearing a tan, linen suit that was cut to his still dashing figure and managed to be humble despite probably costing as much as the car.
Penelope and Daniel Dawson, love her grandma already, sweeping Tansy into a hug like that. His version of her team jersey, rich but down to earth, both of her grandparents. A stuffed horse made for Tansy all those years ago, dang. And it's based on Tango, wonderful gift. Love how he got a picture of Tango to have the stuffed horse made, crafty.
Wyatt studying on Parent's Day, intrigued and finds the subject of magic quite challenging, good to see him rise to the challenge. Parents thousands of miles away wonder if Tansy bought him a little gift and they are going to show up, I hope. 'Drawing Down the Moon' to light his well, interesting.
Having to hold back the power with his discipline and force of Will, heavy.His mind had expanded as he began to truly understand how the world worked, the very rules that governed Creation and by that understanding, how to change it.
“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
The three teachers had prepared a Sorcerers' Contract that he had had to read and sign in his own blood and to swear an oath upon it that, come what may, he would only ever use the knowledge and power he was about to be granted for the betterment of all around him, harming only those who intended him or others harm and to invite the wrath of those who kept the Contract of Solomon should he use what he would learn for evil intent.
If only more students with Wiz ratings thought of magic this way. Ah, the old Uncle Ben quote to Spider-Man, classic for a good reason. Yah! His mom came, Catherine Cody, saying things changes and she wants to meet her soon-to-be daughter-in-law, hehe.He realized that he was above nearly all human restraint now in a very practical sense. Oh, policemen would still claim that laws applied to him, that they could arrest him, and in the strictly theoretical sense they were correct. But practically was another matter altogether. Wyatt was not a fool, and he realized there were few who could tell him no and have it stick without his consent, or keep him somewhere he did not want to be. It was an ultimate kind of power. Though it came with an ultimate kind of sobriety, for there were others who had this knowledge, some of them would always be better than he was, and some of them had not sworn Solomon's Oath to take on the burden of the magical forbearance to 'do no harm.'
In his soul, he heard the voice of his spirit laughing at him. You finally realize, son, you can't know how happy that makes me.
Please let it just be problems with her husband and not what I suspect, that Tigakilik has somehow possessed her or even taken her form. He would want revenge on Laine over stopping him along with Tansy in the Astral plane, what better way to get close to them.There was something off about Catherine's demeanor
Love the new Poe redesign and description of the exterior. Beth Anders aka Cover Girl is I remember correctly, one of the Poe RAs and Amanda Conner aka Jinx. Oh boy, Marty spotting Steve with his parents and starts to freak out, she is too hard on herself but I understand why. And teasing Marty like that, saying she is freaking out because of hormones, they will learn. Hugged and kissed on the cheek by her boyfriend in front of his parents, it is a wonder she isn't beet red right now.
Nice to have detailed descriptions for so many parents. Oh boy, private chat for Marty with Mrs. Nalley, hope it goes better than Marty has feared.Steve's mother was a lovely woman, in her late thirties or very early forties to Marty's eye with, surprisingly, black hair. She had an oval face and clear green eyes and a somewhat florid complexion. She was wearing a linen jacket that bore the crest of Wheeler High School, over a floral blouse and jeans with comfortable looking walking shoes. Next to her was her husband, a tall, thin man who was strong in a wiry sense, with the red hair he had given his children that was now pulled back in a pony tail accentuating a high forehead that was giving way to male pattern baldness. He had the same oval face he had given his son, though with more cares and worries and he sported a red goatee that was beginning to be shot through with gray.
Marty is adorable when she is babbling. How Stephen and Marty first met, has it only been less than a year since then.“Relax, you don't have anything to apologize for! But I have to wonder what my son has said about us to have you wound up tight as a drum!”
Teaches Art and Latin at Wheeler High School in Georgia, interesting. Wonder if she will meet with Imp and how it will go.Mrs Nalley smiled and patted her hand. “Marty, you don't need to be so worried. Stephen couldn't say enough good things about you when he called over the summer. What a grand time he was having in his internship and it was very quickly obvious he was certainly very sweet on you.”
And now with Lanie at Poe, making herself up to make a good impression and using recommendations from Tansy, wish we could have a picture of this. Good that Grizzly is no longer suspicious of Tansy or her motives, makes things easier. Wyatt getting to see Lanie with that look and in that outfit first, if his jaw actually hit the floor I wouldn't be surprised. Blushing that red upon meeting her future mother-in-law, love seeing Lanie as a regular girl like this.
Okay, I like her, guess her acting off earlier was a red-herring, I hope. And her response of what she almost did to Wyatt's dad for it, okay, has to be his real mom. And Wyatt talking about Lanie that much over the summer.The woman laughed and gathered the abashed young girl into her arms. “Don't feel bad,” she consoled Lanie. “I met my mother in law wearing a T Shirt with the Playboy logo on it!”
Now I'm more curious why she was acting off according to Wyatt earlier, what is up.Mrs Cody smiled. “His father is a charming liar too, so fair warning.”
“Actually, ma'am,” Lanie replied. “Ah don't know very many men with the morals and integrity of my fiancee. Mah daddy, maybe, but Ah do know you raised a young man, in a world swimming with boys playing at being men. You should be very proud.”
“You,” Cody replied with a wide smile on her weathered face. “Are a keeper, young lady. I officially approve.” Turning to her son, her voice became stern, but still had a hint of humor to it. “Wyatt, don't you dare let this girl get away from you!”
And another blush from her dad's compliment, poor Lanie must look sunburned by now. Both sets of parents want Lanie and Wyatt to marry, yay! And a private chat with her father, Lanie shouldn't be worried, this is the guy who raised her and Stephen. And 15 days since he quit smoking using Nicorette, wish that worked for everyone.
“Princess,” he told her quietly. “I was proud of you when the doctor first held you up and said,'It's a girl!' And when you started talking at six months I knew you were special.” He looked up and over her shoulder, his eyes wet and far away. “I thought I would never be prouder of you when I read that note from Ms Young, your first grade teacher, absolutely gob smacked that you were reading The Odyssey and understanding it. Well, I could sit here from now until Judgment bragging on all the times you made me proud and still not be done. Don't ever think I'm not proud of you, Elaine, or that you have to change who you are.”
If you see Lanie and Wyatt together, it is obvious they love each other. Revealing that they 3 of them were going to be together in a marriage and her father burst out laughing, I like him even more now.
Bwahaha, love this.“Well,” he declared once he mastered himself. “Folks said they wanted the biblical definition of marriage, it doesn't get much more biblical than that.”
“Mad?” he asked, confused. “No, princess, I'm not mad. If you're happy and that is the family you want, that is between the three of you. I'm no biblical scholar, but David had a fair sight more wives than two, and he was a man after God's Own Heart.”
And confirming that is this what Lanie wants and she isn't being pushed into, great father. Oh boy, having to tell Wyatt's mom about this, hope she is as understanding. Ooo, telling her mom about Wyatt, Tansy and her, and Evan lording over her about knowing something first, heh. And insisting Grizzly call him dad, now that is awesome.
And we see where Lanie gets her sense of humor as well, hehe.“Anyway,” he continued. “She knew about your...preferences...but not about Miss Walcutt. So now I'm not the last to know. And don't be in any rush to tell her.”
“Daddy, you're bad!”
“To the bone, princess,” he said with a cocky swagger to his step. “Bad to the bone...!”
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It would be sort of interesting to see Imp interact with Elaine and Stephan's parents. Wonder if we will see more of Melissa and her dad in these?
Poor MD, too bad that he doesn't have a girl glom onto him....
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Anne wrote: Let's see, the shaman killer, Kittylikabutt, is hiding in a flaw in the Whateley wards either created by TWFKAH or her master. So I don't expect him among the parents. I could be wrong, but hey that is where I remember it went to ground so to speak.
It would be sort of interesting to see Imp interact with Elaine and Stephan's parents. Wonder if we will see more of Melissa and her dad in these?
Poor MD, too bad that he doesn't have a girl glom onto him....
It's hiding in the portable hole(?) in the back of Mrs Carson's office.
The extra-dimensional space fits with the description of the escape route that Tiglatilik used to get away, and since it wasn't mentioned before, at the same time that the flaw that allowed him to escape was just mentioned, it gives a nice example of Chekhov's BFG.
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Mister D wrote:
It's hiding in the portable hole(?) in the back of Mrs Carson's office.
Think of it as a 'pocket' dimension, and this isn't the first of it's kind we've seen. The space where The Secret lurked and imprisoned the soul of Shelly Carson was a similar, but less stable creation. And there are others that would have given Euclid nightmares...
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
Dreamer wrote: Bwahahaha, a Flashbang holster built in a bra, that is one way to get an attacker off-guard.
The Truth is always stranger than fiction...
As an ex firearms instuctor
that darn thing is the most dangerous holster I have ever seen...really? aiming a gun at your heart on the drawing motion?
what could go wrong?
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lighttech wrote:
E. E. Nalley wrote:
Dreamer wrote: Bwahahaha, a Flashbang holster built in a bra, that is one way to get an attacker off-guard.
The Truth is always stranger than fiction...
As an ex firearms instuctor
that darn thing is the most dangerous holster I have ever seen...really? aiming a gun at your heart on the drawing motion?
what could go wrong?
I had to take a closer look. I initially thought it was barrel up. So I figured carrying a gun around with it pointed at your chin might top that.
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Valentine wrote:
lighttech wrote:
E. E. Nalley wrote:
Dreamer wrote: Bwahahaha, a Flashbang holster built in a bra, that is one way to get an attacker off-guard.
The Truth is always stranger than fiction...
As an ex firearms instuctor
that darn thing is the most dangerous holster I have ever seen...really? aiming a gun at your heart on the drawing motion?
what could go wrong?
I had to take a closer look. I initially thought it was barrel up. So I figured carrying a gun around with it pointed at your chin might top that.
As near as I can tell, the pistol actually rides against the skin pointed perpendicular to the body, just on the chest. So, in the photo, the muzzle is actually pointing off to the model's left, which might be an issue for 'full figure' gals, but no less safe than most other on body carry positions. It's biggest draw back is holstering.
The proper technique is detach the holster from the bra, re-holster the pistol off the body, then reattach to the bra. That of course takes two hands and a fair amount of dexterity, which isn't a good thing in a holster. But, lots of ladies face challenges of wardrobe that the flashbang addresses where it would be a Flashbang or don't carry. Not having your tool when you need it is worse, in my book. YMMV.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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I don't think that TWFKAH or her master could hide chaos tainted tools in a space that Mrs Carson uses very often. Tiglatilk used a space that was used to hide the tools of a mage who uses GOO tainted magic. So, unless that space is a pimple on Mrs Carson's space that is isolated from it some how I don't think the description fits. I could of course be wrong, after all maybe she hasn't considered looking for such things in the space....Mister D wrote:
Anne wrote: Let's see, the shaman killer, Kittylikabutt, is hiding in a flaw in the Whateley wards either created by TWFKAH or her master. So I don't expect him among the parents. I could be wrong, but hey that is where I remember it went to ground so to speak.
It would be sort of interesting to see Imp interact with Elaine and Stephan's parents. Wonder if we will see more of Melissa and her dad in these?
Poor MD, too bad that he doesn't have a girl glom onto him....
It's hiding in the portable hole(?) in the back of Mrs Carson's office.
The extra-dimensional space fits with the description of the escape route that Tiglatilik used to get away, and since it wasn't mentioned before, at the same time that the flaw that allowed him to escape was just mentioned, it gives a nice example of Chekhov's BFG.
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New quote: 'Tis better to lose a tit than be carried by six. Not that you'd really lose a tit unless you were carrying something ridiculous or you have an AAA cup, then the holster there wouldn't work anyway. There are distinct reasons that boobs are called funbags in certain circles.E. E. Nalley wrote:
Valentine wrote:
lighttech wrote:
E. E. Nalley wrote:
Dreamer wrote: Bwahahaha, a Flashbang holster built in a bra, that is one way to get an attacker off-guard.
The Truth is always stranger than fiction...
As an ex firearms instuctor
that darn thing is the most dangerous holster I have ever seen...really? aiming a gun at your heart on the drawing motion?
what could go wrong?
I had to take a closer look. I initially thought it was barrel up. So I figured carrying a gun around with it pointed at your chin might top that.
As near as I can tell, the pistol actually rides against the skin pointed perpendicular to the body, just on the chest. So, in the photo, the muzzle is actually pointing off to the model's left, which might be an issue for 'full figure' gals, but no less safe than most other on body carry positions. It's biggest draw back is holstering.
The proper technique is detach the holster from the bra, re-holster the pistol off the body, then reattach to the bra. That of course takes two hands and a fair amount of dexterity, which isn't a good thing in a holster. But, lots of ladies face challenges of wardrobe that the flashbang addresses where it would be a Flashbang or don't carry. Not having your tool when you need it is worse, in my book. YMMV.
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Anne wrote: I don't think that TWFKAH or her master could hide chaos tainted tools in a space that Mrs Carson uses very often. Tiglatilk used a space that was used to hide the tools of a mage who uses GOO tainted magic. So, unless that space is a pimple on Mrs Carson's space that is isolated from it some how I don't think the description fits. I could of course be wrong, after all maybe she hasn't considered looking for such things in the space....
You're correct. And the Hard to Spell Demon was OUTSIDE the warding wall, and while space gets a little fuzzy with these things, the pocket he found was outside the wall and Mrs Carson's Arsenal is most definitely inside it.
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Anne wrote: Let's see, the shaman killer, Kittylikabutt ...




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E. E. Nalley wrote:
Mister D wrote:
It's hiding in the portable hole(?) in the back of Mrs Carson's office.
Think of it as a 'pocket' dimension, and this isn't the first of it's kind we've seen. The space where The Secret lurked and imprisoned the soul of Shelly Carson was a similar, but less stable creation. And there are others that would have given Euclid nightmares...
This is a school at which a wardrobe incorporating nine extradimensional spaces and a stabilized portal can be considered a viable freshman project for a WIZ-2 mutant.
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and where divisors can make tardis gear to sell..null0trooper wrote:
E. E. Nalley wrote:
Mister D wrote:
It's hiding in the portable hole(?) in the back of Mrs Carson's office.
Think of it as a 'pocket' dimension, and this isn't the first of it's kind we've seen. The space where The Secret lurked and imprisoned the soul of Shelly Carson was a similar, but less stable creation. And there are others that would have given Euclid nightmares...
This is a school at which a wardrobe incorporating nine extradimensional spaces and a stabilized portal can be considered a viable freshman project for a WIZ-2 mutant.
Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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Glad I could add light to your day.elrodw wrote:
Anne wrote: Let's see, the shaman killer, Kittylikabutt ...
Bwah hah hah hah hah!!!
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“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
If magic is "understanding the rules of the universe", then is devising "not playing by those rules"? If so, then isn't Circe's pronouncement extremely presumptuous?
sri-bhagavan uvaca | kalo 'smi loka-ksaya-krt pravrddho | lokan samahartum iha pravrttah | - "Lord Krishna said: I am terrible Time, the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world." - Bhagavad Gita 11:32
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Ahimsa wrote:
“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
If magic is "understanding the rules of the universe", then is devising "not playing by those rules"? If so, then isn't Circe's pronouncement extremely presumptuous?
Are YOU going to tell the 3,000 year old sorceress she's being presumptuous?


I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
Ahimsa wrote:
“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
If magic is "understanding the rules of the universe", then is devising "not playing by those rules"? If so, then isn't Circe's pronouncement extremely presumptuous?
Are YOU going to tell the 3,000 year old sorceress she's being presumptuous?![]()
Living for 3000 years, surely she would understand the value of someone having the courage to speak the truth as they see it?
Or, it could be a subtle test (or is that too deus ex machina?).
sri-bhagavan uvaca | kalo 'smi loka-ksaya-krt pravrddho | lokan samahartum iha pravrttah | - "Lord Krishna said: I am terrible Time, the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world." - Bhagavad Gita 11:32
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Ahimsa wrote:
“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
If magic is "understanding the rules of the universe", then is devising "not playing by those rules"? If so, then isn't Circe's pronouncement extremely presumptuous?
I was of the impression that she considered devising as a practice that plays by Da Rulez, albeit not necessarily by the rules the deviser thinks they're playing with (Intent, Definition, Similarity, Precedent, along with a heavy dash of both Essential Flaw and "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere")
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Doesn't explain how some devises are pretty stableKatssun wrote: Oh, but devising is just the practical application of psionics into a material object for the end user, who simply wasn't aware of their own mental abilities...and without being regularly re-attuned by its creator, it will stop working for others.
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null0trooper wrote:
Ahimsa wrote:
“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
If magic is "understanding the rules of the universe", then is devising "not playing by those rules"? If so, then isn't Circe's pronouncement extremely presumptuous?
I was of the impression that she considered devising as a practice that plays by Da Rulez, albeit not necessarily by the rules the deviser thinks they're playing with (Intent, Definition, Similarity, Precedent, along with a heavy dash of both Essential Flaw and "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere")
If that were true, wouldn't Dev be a sub-class of Wiz?
sri-bhagavan uvaca | kalo 'smi loka-ksaya-krt pravrddho | lokan samahartum iha pravrttah | - "Lord Krishna said: I am terrible Time, the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world." - Bhagavad Gita 11:32
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It's hard to determine if it actually is magic and with Devisor pride and associated mental conditions, you don't want to participate in that argumentAhimsa wrote:
null0trooper wrote:
Ahimsa wrote:
“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
If magic is "understanding the rules of the universe", then is devising "not playing by those rules"? If so, then isn't Circe's pronouncement extremely presumptuous?
I was of the impression that she considered devising as a practice that plays by Da Rulez, albeit not necessarily by the rules the deviser thinks they're playing with (Intent, Definition, Similarity, Precedent, along with a heavy dash of both Essential Flaw and "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere")
If that were true, wouldn't Dev be a sub-class of Wiz?
Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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Katssun wrote: Oh, but devising is just the practical application of psionics into a material object for the end user, who simply wasn't aware of their own mental abilities...and without being regularly re-attuned by its creator, it will stop working for others.
If it were a practical application, then third-party psi users should be able to independently replicate the process to obtain similar tangible results. So far, the reproducibility has been shown to be somehow even worse than accepted practice in the social sciences.
If the process can be replicated by researchers without resorting to psionics, we generally call that engineering.
If the process can be replicated through the use of magic, it's an enchantment.
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Pfft. Let the best peer-reviewed research win.
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You're only dismissive of the concept because you seem to think that the Magic Department has bigger classrooms and a secret library, don't you!?mhalpern wrote:
It's hard to determine if it actually is magic and with Devisor pride and associated mental conditions, you don't want to participate in that argumentAhimsa wrote: If that were true, wouldn't Dev be a sub-class of Wiz?
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No, just experiencing deathrays isn't high on my priority listKatssun wrote:
You're only dismissive of the concept because you seem to think that the Magic Department has bigger classrooms and a secret library, don't you!?mhalpern wrote:
It's hard to determine if it actually is magic and with Devisor pride and associated mental conditions, you don't want to participate in that argumentAhimsa wrote: If that were true, wouldn't Dev be a sub-class of Wiz?
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That sounds like classification through fear - not very scientificmhalpern wrote:
It's hard to determine if it actually is magic and with Devisor pride and associated mental conditions, you don't want to participate in that argumentAhimsa wrote: If that were true, wouldn't Dev be a sub-class of Wiz?

sri-bhagavan uvaca | kalo 'smi loka-ksaya-krt pravrddho | lokan samahartum iha pravrttah | - "Lord Krishna said: I am terrible Time, the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world." - Bhagavad Gita 11:32
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mhalpern wrote:
It's hard to determine if it actually is magic and with Devisor pride and associated mental conditions, you don't want to participate in that argumentAhimsa wrote: If that were true, wouldn't Dev be a sub-class of Wiz?
The in-universe classification system is been said to focus on the "what" over the "how" of powers, in which case it's been seen as more useful to separate DEV as its own thing. It's the guy with the improbable lightning generator, not the girl calling lightning down from the sky upon your hear, nor the wierd kid who smells like ozone all the time.
The reality-warping aspects of devising tends to favor "magic" (Possibly with cross-plane clairvoyance taking the place of the clairvoyant foresight demonstrated by powerful gadgeteers) although magical systems rely on reproducibility as much as the physical sciences. There's a point at which "accidental" use doesn't make any sense because magic and psi can both be detected when in use, and an accidental user or newbie almost certainly would not know how to mask either one.
The reality-breaking aspects of some devises and the fulminating insanity that haunts their creators might hint at the lowest expression of mythos sorcery - which also doesn't set conventional detectors off. How's that for a comforting thought?
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null0trooper wrote: The in-universe classification system is been said to focus on the "what" over the "how" of powers, in which case it's been seen as more useful to separate DEV as its own thing. It's the guy with the improbable lightning generator, not the girl calling lightning down from the sky upon your hear, nor the wierd kid who smells like ozone all the time.
If I'm getting you correctly, then what about the effort that people go to during powers testing to get the classification exactly right? What sense does it make to spend energy classifying into a weak classification system? One might as well do a thumbsuck, so to speak.
null0trooper wrote: The reality-warping aspects of devising tends to favor "magic" (Possibly with cross-plane clairvoyance taking the place of the clairvoyant foresight demonstrated by powerful gadgeteers) although magical systems rely on reproducibility as much as the physical sciences. There's a point at which "accidental" use doesn't make any sense because magic and psi can both be detected when in use, and an accidental user or newbie almost certainly would not know how to mask either one.
The reality-breaking aspects of some devises and the fulminating insanity that haunts their creators might hint at the lowest expression of mythos sorcery - which also doesn't set conventional detectors off. How's that for a comforting thought?
All of this tends to point to the idea that magic is just a Weltanschauung, one of many.
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So Gadgeteers? Crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon (with an affinity for tech) and Precog. Devisors? Similar crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon and Warping.... and its the Warping that syncs the object to the alternate dimension and allows it to work here and why if it isn't used by the Devisor that it can fail (desync and tries to work in WU laws).
Unless that's just her talking, and not canon... And even if it ''is'' canon, no one knows it?
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The title of the story makes me think Magic, 'cause "Seal" applied to some abstract concept... ... But, if it's PSI, what could it mean??
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Malady wrote: BTW, we've got Kristin, talking about DEV:
whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/revi...icer-relevants#49186
So Gadgeteers? Crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon (with an affinity for tech) and Precog. Devisors? Similar crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon and Warping.... and its the Warping that syncs the object to the alternate dimension and allows it to work here and why if it isn't used by the Devisor that it can fail (desync and tries to work in WU laws).
Unless that's just her talking, and not canon... And even if it ''is'' canon, no one knows it?
Interesting, though it does raise the possibility of concepts creating themselves, as well as that "magic" can be different things in different dimensions.
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You can say that again! What story are we discussing anyway, and who were the characters involved?Yolandria wrote: I think you guys derailed the train! Might want to call a tow truck and get it back on it's tracks.
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I think there might have been some horny adolescents involved at some point.Anne wrote:
You can say that again! What story are we discussing anyway, and who were the characters involved?Yolandria wrote: I think you guys derailed the train! Might want to call a tow truck and get it back on it's tracks.
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The three teachers had prepared a Sorcerers' Contract that he had had to read and sign in his own blood and to swear an oath upon it that, come what may, he would only ever use the knowledge and power he was about to be granted for the betterment of all around him, harming only those who intended him or others harm and to invite the wrath of those who kept the Contract of Solomon should he use what he would learn for evil intent.
So, that oath applies to all mages that had their wells Lit at Whateley... And only applies to knowledge that "was about to be granted"? ... So, if he, or any others who were lit, underwent some ... Independent Study... That knowledge wouldn't be bound by the oath?
Hmm...
So, mages known to be under that oath:
Kodiak and the Three Little Witches...
Uhh... That might be it? A mage wanting less restrictions would plan to light their wells by themselves or something.
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Malady wrote: So, mages known to be under that oath:
Kodiak and the Three Little Witches...
Known to be? Where did you see the Three Little Witches in that passage you quoted?
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E. E. Nalley wrote:
Malady wrote: So, mages known to be under that oath:
Kodiak and the Three Little Witches...
Known to be? Where did you see the Three Little Witches in that passage you quoted?
Whoops, yes, presumed. Kirstin said they got Lit at the end of their Spring Magic Intro.
I presumed Grimes wouldn't light their wells without making sure they took the oath...
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Malady wrote: So, that oath applies to all mages that had their wells Lit at Whateley... And only applies to knowledge that "was about to be granted"? ... So, if he, or any others who were lit, underwent some ... Independent Study... That knowledge wouldn't be bound by the oath?
Going by earlier TLW stories, I got the impression that the department normally insists that students gather together the essence to light their own wells their own possibly-damned selves (if it didn't happen before arriving at school).
The three granted Wyatt a measure of power and some parties just might hold them (and any associated with them) responsible for whatever nasty drek he pulls off or pokes at.
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I interpreted it as the disembodied voice Gene was hearing in his mind as he read the letter, not the text of the letter itself.jmhyp wrote: I haven't gotten past the prologue yet but I had to comment. Elaine actually writes "Ah" instead of "I"? That's commitment to an accent.
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I'm sure that is exactly what is happening. He's imagining Lanie speaking to him rather than the text before him.Kettlekorn wrote:
I interpreted it as the disembodied voice Gene was hearing in his mind as he read the letter, not the text of the letter itself.jmhyp wrote: I haven't gotten past the prologue yet but I had to comment. Elaine actually writes "Ah" instead of "I"? That's commitment to an accent.
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Anne wrote:
I'm sure that is exactly what is happening. He's imagining Lanie speaking to him rather than the text before him.Kettlekorn wrote:
I interpreted it as the disembodied voice Gene was hearing in his mind as he read the letter, not the text of the letter itself.jmhyp wrote: I haven't gotten past the prologue yet but I had to comment. Elaine actually writes "Ah" instead of "I"? That's commitment to an accent.
That'd make a lot of sense, given that this precedes the letter:
It was as if his daughter was right beside him, speaking to him with her unique accent and manner of speech.
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Yolandria wrote: Actually the 3 LW had their wells lit in one of the OC stories. But there was no mention of an Oath attached to it. All we know is Cait giving them Adamant wands etc. Which caused them to set her on fire.
No it was mentioned that they had lit their wells, and that Cait gave them the wands and focus crystals.
"Did I mention I saved three sets for the Three Little Witches?" Caitlin grinned from ear to ear, waiting for the joy of that particular explosion.
Grimes looked over and noted Nephandus ducking his head down, pretending to be more interested in his food. "I see." She glowered at Caitlin. "I had just gotten the three to light their wells after great difficulty and..."
"I'll talk to them about how to use them without lighting the teachers on fire."
Which was odd considering it was a new moon, but with that they had preformed an 'investiture' which had lit his well.
Those are from Siblings & Savages and The Gates of the Garden and To Seal Our Happiness So it may be fall when they get their wells lit. But the difference seems to be that TLW lit their own wells, and Cody's was lit for him by the teachers.
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Anne wrote: I don't think that TWFKAH or her master could hide chaos tainted tools in a space that Mrs Carson uses very often. Tiglatilk used a space that was used to hide the tools of a mage who uses GOO tainted magic. So, unless that space is a pimple on Mrs Carson's space that is isolated from it some how I don't think the description fits. I could of course be wrong, after all maybe she hasn't considered looking for such things in the space....
You're correct. And the Hard to Spell Demon was OUTSIDE the warding wall, and while space gets a little fuzzy with these things, the pocket he found was outside the wall and Mrs Carson's Arsenal is most definitely inside it.
And who do we know that is using GOO magic around WA?

Chekov's BFD.
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Hekate's master. Who has not been identified by the staff or teachers or any of the main characters so far. In fact we're still debating who exactly Hekate has hijacked so that she can hide among the incoming freshthings.Mister D wrote:
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Anne wrote: I don't think that TWFKAH or her master could hide chaos tainted tools in a space that Mrs Carson uses very often. Tiglatilk used a space that was used to hide the tools of a mage who uses GOO tainted magic. So, unless that space is a pimple on Mrs Carson's space that is isolated from it some how I don't think the description fits. I could of course be wrong, after all maybe she hasn't considered looking for such things in the space....
You're correct. And the Hard to Spell Demon was OUTSIDE the warding wall, and while space gets a little fuzzy with these things, the pocket he found was outside the wall and Mrs Carson's Arsenal is most definitely inside it.
And who do we know that is using GOO magic around WA?
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Anne wrote:
I'm sure that is exactly what is happening. He's imagining Lanie speaking to him rather than the text before him.Kettlekorn wrote:
I interpreted it as the disembodied voice Gene was hearing in his mind as he read the letter, not the text of the letter itself.jmhyp wrote: I haven't gotten past the prologue yet but I had to comment. Elaine actually writes "Ah" instead of "I"? That's commitment to an accent.
Exactly so. If this were film, you'd have a series of medium closeups of Gene reading the letter, reacting to it, and fighting his emotions all while the actress who played Lanie would be reading the letter voiced over. That was the effect I was going for.
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Angelina Cromwell - Woah. Ember's real name has been used! It's quite heartwarming, for some reason!
Also Tansy being kind! YAY!
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"Angelina's parents were dead, having died in the fire that consumed their home when her powers activated."

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"Gene must be Gene 'Mega-Boy' McDonald who probably had a crush on Angelina because he delighted in tormenting her."
Well, that's gonna be interesting, if true?
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Peeper's scene! Aww!
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Treating Alzheimer's with Solon-4... Which is the first mention of that?
Yay, for a cure?
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Tansy + Jadis making up more, or something! Sweet!
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Mega-death sitch still unknown.
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Reveal of Adam Carlyle's Noodle Incident from Gen2.
... IIRC, we saw this Imp bit from her POV... Now, where was it...
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Maria and Donna ship! Nice!
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So, this is the end of Theodore Darryl Walcutt... IIRC, he was part of the Brotherhood of the Bell or something... All those old plot bits are gonna start rearing their heads?
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Energizer biology is interesting!
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Debbie Cantrel's precise condition is still unknown. ... Might it get repaired soon, maybe by Gen2??
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If so, who?
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Authors: So, did the Diablikus go to both Westchester Montessori and Benjamin Franklin Academy ?
If this is off topic, I'll bump the previous thread about the schools.
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Hell yeah! Green FTW.To Seal Our Happiness (Part 2) wrote: “My shirt is green!”
Damn right!To Seal Our Happiness (Part 2) wrote: “Jazz is life,”
So noted.To Seal Our Happiness (Part 2) wrote: you don't want any part of this.
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Adam 6 years old and thinking Whateley Academy is the coolest place ever, was there ever any doubt he would manifest and come here as a student eventually. Checking everything out like it is the greatest place on Earth and the look on his face and energy could make even the most down on themselves individual with GSD feel better about themselves I bet. Seeing Jack and Adam playing together is cute every time.
Hartford considers it a treat to watch Mrs. Carson work a room, man she is good. Ah, pursuing justice, I would get out of Carson's way. I actually pity the supervillain who tries to come to Whateley and threaten any of the students, or even outside of school grounds.
Ugh, betting that is Tansy's father with his newest trophy wife, hope Mrs. Carson tears into him.In defense of her students, Elizabeth Carson was a force of nature, implacable, irresistible and every bit as relentless.
Whoa, Penelope actually met Mrs. Carson back in the 70s when she was Ms. Might, her grandmother sure knows a lot of people. Hehehe, wonder how Penelope is going to feel meeting Mrs. Carson and seeing how young she still is physically. Ouch, early stages of Alzheimer's, shouldn't happen to a nice lady like her.
Okay, I know he doesn't want to lose her, but if they haven't removed the side-effects she would change, not be herself anymore. At least Tansy convinces him to let her friends check it out, always good to get a professional opinion.Part of the reason we went to Venice was a top ranked neuroscience practice there, and the EU has a trial for a new treatment that is based on Solon-4...”
Mrs. Nalley spots Wyatt chatting with Stephen with a woman she doesn't recognize, probably Wyatt's mom. Oh boy, when they tell JoAnn about Tansy and their plans. JoAnn and Catherine finally meet, love how JoAnn corrects Wyatt, hehe. Bwahahaha, seeing Jack run past with Adam on his past and concerned if JoAnn only knew. And asking her parents if she can go to the Nalleys for Thanksgiving, Marty has another big task ahead of her. And everyone together for lunch, fun.
Mental gymnastics to keep track of things in her mind, at least Penelope is fighting it. Ouch, Tansy unable to do anything for her, too bad Jobe or another bio-gadgeteer or devisor hasn't come up with a treatment yet. Angelina Cromwell, poor little girl upset because she can't find her parents and was told everyone's parents would be here toward, now that is pain.
And it is worse than I thought, parents died in a fire when her powers activated, poor Angie hasn't been told. Great, Mega-Boy told her everyone's parents would be there today, that is just cruel. Calming her down and doing that for Angie, anyone who sees that and doesn't believe Tansy has really changed is dense. Pretending to be her mother, Penelope even acting as her grandmother, now there is true human compassion and empathy.
Homer Gallery and Angie so excited, Mr. Dawson finding out he had a new granddaughter like that.
Darn, Marissa called to administration as the On Duty Legal Council by Hartford, why do I have the feeling this has to do with her ex-husband.Marissa looked at her daughter in an entirely new light. Placing a hand on her shoulder, Tansy felt her mother's emotions and was surprised by them. “I'm so proud of you, Tansy,” she whispered back. “What a wonderful mother you will make!”
John in the Nuclear Medicine Theater, parents not coming. Interesting, doctors and Jericho discovered his powers not strictly speaking to do with his eyes, didn't see that coming.
*eyes bug out* Okay, they should have done more tests on him sooner, this changes what we know about his power, thought it was psychic in nature before.Jericho had been able to discover that he was emitting some narrow wave, energetic particle that was below Extreme Ultra Violet, but also not an X-Ray. Dr Tenent had dubbed it Turner's Radiation and they had worked out that John's optic nerves were interpreting the 'bounce' of the particle as a kind of natural radar in the visible spectrum, which began to explain why he could see through some materials but not others. Fortunately the particle was not ionizing, so skin stopped it, which was why everyone appeared naked to John.
At least they can finally create him some glasses that will block his power. Shelly created the materials, whoa. And see a computer screen, this is a huge step.That left them with the task of finding a material that was opaque to the particle, but transparent to the visible spectrum.
No wonder he was such a mess, not just how his parents raised him but robbed of being able to see even his own clothing by his power, dang. Happy to see him starting to turn things around, change things for the better, and getting the help he needs in various things.His eyes filled with tears as he understood he could see a green shirt.
“Dr Tenent!” he yelled, his voice cracking with the overwhelming sense of joy mixed with disbelief that he felt. “My shirt is green!”
*head hits desk* Having to deal with Mr. Walcutt, him trying to turn his 'charm' on her, make you want to hit him until he stops moving. Oh goodie, Carson eye to eye with him. His attitude about Tansy, about the other parents and students at Whateley, rich snob who thinks he is better than everyone else is what I'm getting.
A pistol, he is a fool. Plus his lawyers would be torn to shreds by the ones which work for Whateley, his ex-wife included.The hairs on the back of his neck stood up, but while Theo was comforted by the pistol under his armpit, his cellphone with its speed dial function to his lawyers assured him he was untouchable.
Maria and Donna making out like that, Maria introducing Donna to French kissing, about time.
Woohoo! They make a cute couple, let's just hope Mrs. Carson doesn't get upset about this and think Maria is taking advantage of Donna.The lovely Hispanic girl pulled back for a moment, her eyes and lips still smiling. She raised a hand and lovingly stroked Donn's cheek. “I know,” she told her gently. Leaning forward, she kissed Donna's nose and touched her forehead to the other girls' each staring deeply into the others eyes. “Donna, I'm not her either.”
Donna couldn't keep in a giggle as she nodded and bit her lower lip. “Well, I'll swear off Blondes if you swear off Redheads...?”
“Deal!” Maria returned enthusiastically then their lips rejoined and they had better things to do than converse.
Renewal of the in loco parentis statement, I hope they are screwing him over for more money with no loopholes for him to wiggle out of it. And getting his fiance to leave the room, huh, would have thought they would be married already. Hehehe, Marissa showing up right after the fiance leaves the room, perfect timing.
“This is a notice of my filing of a civil suit challenging our divorce decree on the grounds you acted in bad faith having me committed against my will, setting yourself up as my legal guardian and then divorcing me without due process!” Marissa purred, obviously enjoying herself.
Oh, I'm loving this, Mrs. Carson as Tansy's legal guardian in the interim, Trustee of her Collegiate and Inheritable Trust Funds, time to teach Mr. Walcutt a costly lesson. And then Walcutt calls Mrs. Carson a bitch and threatens her, he is toast!
Couldn't happen to a slimmer guy. And what Tansy hits him with, yikes.“This,” interrupted Marissa once more, “is a notice of the freezing of all of your assets and chattel pending the refiled divorce proceedings, any attempt by you to move off shore or conceal our marital assets will be considered contempt of court and so sanctioned, govern yourself accordingly! And last, but not least a federal restraining order that compels you to stay no less than five hundred feet from me, my parents and Tansy!”
Ooh, I hope she ruins him financially.“You haven't seen anything yet, my darling!” Marissa Dawson permitted herself a cruel chuckle. “I have not yet begun to bitch!”
Schuster Hall and Fredrick Coveanus aka Lord Paramount didn't include the Crystal Hall. Doing a paper on obscure alumni from the original Whateley Academy, now that is dedication. An orphan didn't now that about him. Aww, hit hard by news of the passing of Mr. Coveanu, the headmaster when he went to Whateley. Joe Wilkins needs an attitude adjustment, if you are wealthy you should give back to the school.
Lord Paramount funded the remembrance garden, now that is a huge deal, plus a monument to Clifford Alexander so the first headmaster of the new Whateley Academy would be remembered. Mr. Turner talking to Fredrick, both waiting for the women in their lives before going to the Crystal Hall for lunch. And considering the pile of gold a gauche display, he doesn't get the message it is trying to send. Seeing Mr. Walcutt storm out like that, good to know he recognizes Hartford's hand in it.
Now that was nice of Robert, saying Dr. Alexander would be proud of Fredrick in his role as a Trustee. Ouch, knowing what happens in Gen 2, that sucks. He wanted to start a family with Amelia.“Only Amelia Hartford can get under a man's skin like that,” he elaborated, nodding his head in the direction the man had stormed out. “Some trouble with a student who's father doesn't understand that the needs of his child come before his own.”
“I used to think being a parent taught that lesson pretty quickly, but there are always statistical outliers I suppose.”
Catherine Cody listening to Wyatt's tales about the Crystal Hall, and of course the smells would get to her, Whateley has some of the best food around. No buffet in years, whoa that is an out of the way place. Roast beef that fresh, smoke and brown sugar glazed hams, roasted turkey, fried, bake, roasted, and rotisserie chicken, gah. *tries to dive through the computer screen and gets some of each type of chicken*
Four different fish entrees, a tray of meatloaf and those are just the meals, where is my interdimensional portal! And she wonders who eats it all, isn't much waste there according to Wyatt.
Well, that answers something I've always been curious about.“Mrs Cody, most of it won't reach her stomach,” Lanie replied, having taken note of the conversation. “A number of energizers absorb the water out of the food in their esophagus. Here, look at this,” she said, taking out her phone and fiddling with it, before turning the screen to Mrs Cody. She saw an MRI of someone sitting and drinking a glass of some liquid and it vanished before it could reach his stomach. Next came a mouthful of food that seemed to melt into his teeth and by the time he swallowed almost nothing reached his stomach.
Her saying that is a compliment, could there be trouble with the husband. And all of them sitting on the Alpha Dais, now there is a view I would love to see myself. And I was right, Wyatt's parents getting a divorce, that explains why she seemed off to Wyatt in Part 1.Catherine smiled and kissed her son's cheek. “Every time I worry you will turn into your father, Wyatt, you go and show me what a good man you are.”
Gunny and Mrs. Cantrel are cute together, I think she is one of the only women who could handle him and his many quirks. Hopes she could walk again, good, would love to see Mrs. Cantrel walking around. And he is helping her greet parents to Hawthorne, think she is going to need all the help she can get, especially with Eldritch's mom on campus.
Ouch, now Tansy knows what her grandmother has the beginning of. And upset she will never get to know her grandmother and never had in the chance in the past because of her father. Tansy hates having the Walcutt name, considering it a curse and ask God why he hates her so much, ouch. And Jadis being the one to comfort her, dang, didn't see that coming. Jadis able to see the real Tansy once more.
Jadis saw the tall, awkward nerd who had showed her that science fiction and fantasy could be just as much literature as Gothic romance. The friend who had introduced her to her greatest guilty pleasure; author C. S. Lewis and his Chronicles of Narnia and through them, the realization of who her real mother might be. And she remembered the selfless defender who rushed to her aid against the ceaseless torment of Cathy Pressman at Westchester Montessori and hid her heroism behind purposefully taking the contrary opinion of Jadis's favorite poet so they could argue and she could take Jadis' mind off the torment.
Finally, apology accepted, friends again I hope. Opening up to Jadis about all that, especially what is happening to her grandmother, blaming it on her past sins even though she is trying to atone for them, ouch. Yay! Friends again and Jadis helping out Tansy, I was hoping this would happen soon. Hehehe, a sleepover to catch up on things, now that is perfect. Whoa, who is Tansy calling and how can they help?
A sword, a cape with a saddle for Adam to ride on Jack's back with him, cute.
Talk of a merry prank in mind by Jack, why do I have the feeling this will be a memorable Parents Day for many reasons.From the speaker around his throat, the voice of Stephan Hawking declared, “One land, one king! And the sword of power!”
Oh boy, asking Tansy if Elaine and Wyatt told their parents about her relationship yet, and Tansy doesn't know yet. Hehehe, Wyatt procrastinator of the first order, I can relate though not that bad. *sigh* And this incident with the idiot Aunt June trying to arrest Imp on Whateley grounds, nice to see a different perspective of it.
Bwahahaha, too perfect, sides hurting. Razorback and Adam chasing Mrs. Carson and 'Aunt June', just too funny. Glad Tansy got her mom to avoid getting involved.Marissa opened her mouth to say something, then saw something so completely fantastic, even for Whateley, she had to blink her eyes to be sure of it. Chasing after Mrs Carson was Razorback.
But not just Razorback.
The reptilian looking student was wearing a cross between a cape and a horses barding in scarlet that also seemed to have a saddle. In the saddle sat a midget wearing mirror polished full Gothic plate mail armor, complete with a plumed helm and a gold and silver sword he was waving about, urging Razorback to greater speed.
And somehow, through the transparent substance the Crystal Hall was made of, she distinctly heard the thunderous orchestration of Carl Orff's O Fortuna blasting from somewhere only slightly below the threshold of pain. Razorback was also running after Mrs Carson and 'Aunt June'. Closing her mouth, Marissa watched them go, straightened her dress and calmly walked back to her salad.
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Why? She's the only one who'd benefit from a marriage, and he knows it. The sensible thing would be to drag it out as long as possible, insist on a prenup, and then act like maybe he'll reconsider with more time. Eventually she'd get fed up and leave, and he'd find some other gold digger to play with.Dreamer wrote: And getting his fiance to leave the room, huh, would have thought they would be married already.
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Dreamer wrote: Adam 6 years old and thinking Whateley Academy is the coolest place ever, was there ever any doubt he would manifest and come here as a student eventually. Checking everything out like it is the greatest place on Earth and the look on his face and energy could make even the most down on themselves individual with GSD feel better about themselves I bet. Seeing Jack and Adam playing together is cute every time.
IIRC, Adam visited Whateley in 2006 as well.
Of course, for a six-year-old kid, waiting until next year? That's like forEVER!
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Okay, I know he doesn't want to lose her, but if they haven't removed the side-effects she would change, not be herself anymore. At least Tansy convinces him to let her friends check it out, always good to get a professional opinion.Part of the reason we went to Venice was a top ranked neuroscience practice there, and the EU has a trial for a new treatment that is based on Solon-4...”
I think that was Marissa
“At least give me the names of this trial and the practice, dad,” she admitted urgently. “I've made some excellent friends here. Let me find out for sure it's legitimate...”
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*eyes bug out* Okay, they should have done more tests on him sooner, this changes what we know about his power, thought it was psychic in nature before.Fortunately the particle was not ionizing, so skin stopped it, which was why everyone appeared naked to John.
IIRC, Champions debuted with a similar "n-ray vision".
In the WU, exotic/unique sensory powers have frequently turned out to be based on esper traits. You can't easily detect a particle that you don't have a theory for or anomalous results to explain, so it's reasonable for the boffins to chalk it up to psi. Wrong in retrospect, but reasonable.
Dreamer wrote: Yay! Friends again and Jadis helping out Tansy, I was hoping this would happen soon. Hehehe, a sleepover to catch up on things, now that is perfect. Whoa, who is Tansy calling and how can they help?
Jadis Diabolik is placing the call. Be very afraid.
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That will teach me to read a story with a headache, misread the part about Marissa asking her dad to let her friends check things out and that it was Jadis making the phone call, not Tansy. Thanks.null0trooper wrote:
Dreamer wrote: Adam 6 years old and thinking Whateley Academy is the coolest place ever, was there ever any doubt he would manifest and come here as a student eventually. Checking everything out like it is the greatest place on Earth and the look on his face and energy could make even the most down on themselves individual with GSD feel better about themselves I bet. Seeing Jack and Adam playing together is cute every time.
IIRC, Adam visited Whateley in 2006 as well.
Of course, for a six-year-old kid, waiting until next year? That's like forEVER!
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Okay, I know he doesn't want to lose her, but if they haven't removed the side-effects she would change, not be herself anymore. At least Tansy convinces him to let her friends check it out, always good to get a professional opinion.Part of the reason we went to Venice was a top ranked neuroscience practice there, and the EU has a trial for a new treatment that is based on Solon-4...”
I think that was Marissa
“At least give me the names of this trial and the practice, dad,” she admitted urgently. “I've made some excellent friends here. Let me find out for sure it's legitimate...”
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*eyes bug out* Okay, they should have done more tests on him sooner, this changes what we know about his power, thought it was psychic in nature before.Fortunately the particle was not ionizing, so skin stopped it, which was why everyone appeared naked to John.
IIRC, Champions debuted with a similar "n-ray vision".
In the WU, exotic/unique sensory powers have frequently turned out to be based on esper traits. You can't easily detect a particle that you don't have a theory for or anomalous results to explain, so it's reasonable for the boffins to chalk it up to psi. Wrong in retrospect, but reasonable.
Dreamer wrote: Yay! Friends again and Jadis helping out Tansy, I was hoping this would happen soon. Hehehe, a sleepover to catch up on things, now that is perfect. Whoa, who is Tansy calling and how can they help?
Jadis Diabolik is placing the call. Be very afraid.
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Dreamer wrote: That will teach me to read a story with a headache, misread the part about Marissa asking her dad to let her friends check things out and that it was Jadis making the phone call, not Tansy. Thanks.
You're welcome! It may be coincidence, but I had made a couple of notes to myself regarding Adam's and Marissa's actions. I'd also agree with you and Katssun that Tansy's way of helping out Ember was classy.
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DocSavage — 2018-06-19 16:50
Where have all the Kimbas gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Kimbas gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the Kimbas gone?
Their stories ended tales not done
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
In case anyone was wondering, this is how NOT to give a comment on a story. This is how authors become pissed off and say to hell with it. This isn't cute or funny it's insulting. Never mind that it asks a question that has been asked and answered hundreds of times on the forums, to post it in the comments of a story with nothing to do with the question SPITS on the weeks I spent writing that story.
I hope you have the decency to be embarrassed 'Doc Savage'! Your complete lack of social graces, tact and just common courtesy has REALLY insulted me and possibly cost all of these people in the forum time they will likely have to wait longer for stories because YOU are an ass hole. Don't apologize to me, if you have the guts to show your face, apologize to them!
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Let's again reiterate why we love the journey of Tansy from shrieking harpy to
She's gone from the personification of hatred to what she was always truly wanting to be.
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Where have all the Kimbas gone?
It's 2018 IRL. Normal people who are missing their favorite characters write fan fiction or make fan art.
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Although, yes, this seems to be the largest bit of exposition on her history we've seen?
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It's both endearing and horrifying. We can only hope that Roulette and Caitlin can keep them somewhat in check. And let's face it, Amy is far more motherly than Caitlin.
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I meant specifically in this story arc. That is that when we see her with Tansy for a bit then Tansy gets all involved with what do I do about my grandmother etc, at that point it is unclear where Ember went & who she is with. Marissa seems to be likely but isn't stated specifically. Indeed it seems like Ember sort of gets out of the frame somewhat before that point.Malady wrote: ^ - What do you mean about losing track of Ember? ... We've seen her with Team Awesome!, in quite a few parts?
Although, yes, this seems to be the largest bit of exposition on her history we've seen?
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I meant specifically in this story arc. That is that when we see her with Tansy for a bit then Tansy gets all involved with what do I do about my grandmother etc, at that point it is unclear where Ember went & who she is with. Marissa seems to be likely but isn't stated specifically. Indeed it seems like Ember sort of gets out of the frame somewhat before that point.Malady wrote: ^ - What do you mean about losing track of Ember? ... We've seen her with Team Awesome!, in quite a few parts?
Although, yes, this seems to be the largest bit of exposition on her history we've seen?
We ''do'' know who she's with after Marissa is called away:
“They need you?” her father asked. “I'm sure we'll be fine with our new granddaughter to tell us all about this wonderful museum!” Angelina giggled as Marissa turned back to her daughter.
Presumably, Angelina's with the rest of the Dawson family, inside the Crystal Hall when Razorback, Imp, and etc, arrive outside.
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Aunt June was first seen in Imp 6: Part 2... But there's no mention of Razorback, in regards to Parents' Day, except in Art Class.
If we get Team Awesome POV of Parents' Day, then we might see Ember again there, if that happens before Seal Part 3.
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Wonder how other Espers / Teeps / Whatevers, react to Mrs. Dawson's Alzheimer Brain? Chibi Evil might have a bad reaction? But not if she has her shields up??
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Malady wrote: Wonder how other Espers / Teeps / Whatevers, react to Mrs. Dawson's Alzheimer Brain? Chibi Evil might have a bad reaction? But not if she has her shields up??
Wouldn't it be a serious breach of the school's ethics code to pry into her thoughts to find that out?
I imagine that for many folks Parents Day is Work On Shielding Day.
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I think that is an understatement of the facts! It is more like, how long until my shields crash day!null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: Wonder how other Espers / Teeps / Whatevers, react to Mrs. Dawson's Alzheimer Brain? Chibi Evil might have a bad reaction? But not if she has her shields up??
Wouldn't it be a serious breach of the school's ethics code to pry into her thoughts to find that out?
I imagine that for many folks Parents Day is Work On Shielding Day.
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Does it relate to Tansy's and Lanie's Halloween? (Hinted at in Gen 2).
Does Kayda stop or resolve it? She already knows how to do it herself, and the consequences of doing so, and she's an expert at putting them back...and who knows what else?!
Did Tennyo give Maggie the book, not realizing that Maggie was doing some pretty evil stuff with the library loan system?
Maggie indicated she knew how to not only eject Grizzly, but kill her off permanently. We sort of know the outcome of this...or do we?

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A.k.a Mega-Death + Lifeline = Mega-problem?
... Hmm... Their codenames have opposite-ness... Death... Life... Hmm... ... Likely irrelevant?
Ship, though?
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If only you had chosen a more accessible, brighter, more upbeat, novel, with an ultimately positive ending like Good Morning, Midnight.
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Really? There has been no speculation on whom exactly Jadis called. Did she call DR Dad? Or is there someone else who owes her a solid?mhalpern wrote: Sorry I haven't said anything, time and now its basically all been said
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Really? There has been no speculation on whom exactly Jadis called. Did she call DR Dad? Or is there someone else who owes her a solid?mhalpern wrote: Sorry I haven't said anything, time and now its basically all been said
Rumor has it even Lucifer the Morningstar himself owes her a solid by the time Gen2 rolls around.
This only being her junior year at Whateley Academy, her access is limited to Emperor Joe, several NYC VIPs, the Easter Bunny, and Manchester United. No biggie.
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Sir Lee wrote: I doubt that Jadis would use that precise wording -- a "solid" -- if she was asking a favor from her father. One of her father's lieutenants, possibly. But a "solid" implies an exchange of favors, to be collectible at a future date. This is not something usually part of the parental-offspring dynamic.
I don't think Jadis and Dr. Dad have a normal parent offspring relationship.
My first thought was that she was calling Jobs, but she wouldn't need the super secret uplink for that. The "solid" would be odd from her father though, although he seems to have the skill set.
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My guess? Either Jobe, Phase, Thuban, or Dr. Nucleic (who you'll recall is working for Thuban and Phase's Bio-Regenetics Inc. enterprise, when he isn't busy extorting hardware and patents out of Jobe). However, each of those would raise questions if it is one of them. To say she doesn't trust Jobe as far as she could throw her (even in beast form when fully powered up) is probably accurate. We don't know of any connections Jadis has to Gellmar, though it is entirely possible that there is one - Jobe knew him, after all. I doubt she would bring this to Phase, given his history with Tansy. Thuban has had dealings with Solange in the past, but every time he's done so, he was putting the screws to her in one way or another, and I am guessing that Sheebs know that his price would be a hard one in one way or another.
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Jadis never asks him for ANYTHING, and we know he made Solon-5. We don't hear all the details of what Tansy told Jads through sobs, but it probably came up as Tansy's only hope.
Or maybe it is Gizmatic...we don't know what the fallout of the crown jewels incident was.
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So other candidates?
Jobe? Not so much. Jadis probably believes that if Jobe were interested in the problem that (s)he could make large headway against the problem. Unfortunately Jobe does not always think through the solutions (s)he puts in place. Cancer beef is just one example of many including razor spinners!
Phase?
I doubt that Jadis has that much hold on Phase. I do believe that if she wants to really kick the research in gear, she will eventually be dealing with Phase. The question is can Phase deal professionally with Tansy given their history!?
Dr Geller?
Not sure we have enough information
Thuban or someone working for him?
I'm sure that Thuban or anyone still alive in his organization does not owe anyone else a solid. Probably most especially not Jadis!
Gizmatic?
I don't think his solution would be acceptable to Tansy and her family. So I thing that Jadis would probably not be calling him. Besides which this would eventually just involve Jobe by another means....
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Or maybe because some how or other she had info that if Dr Dad knew it that would mean that the minion stopped being a minion because they stopped breathing, or at least Jadis convinced them that she was keeping Dr Dad from rendering them into spare parts!Sir Lee wrote: Myself, I'm thinking she's calling one of Dr. Dad's lieutenants (possibly the one who heads the research on the Solon drug family). The "solid" is because she's asking to do something behind Dr. Dad's back.
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Not to spoil things for the authors, so let's just say it's not Hekate's Master.
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Yeeeeah, confessing this sort of thing over a letter is awkward. Also, personal peeve, having Elaine's accent reflected here. Yeah, it's told it feels like she's there speaking, but associating an accent to a letter just feels... off somewhere for me.Letter
Well, stay hooked for final reaction.His mouth inordinately dry, it took two tries for him to find his voice. “Jo...Jody? Come here baby. You...you need to see this.”
You're fine, Marty. And you're a girl, remember? It means no shotgun warning for you.“It will be fine,” she told her reflection. “They are just people!” With a sigh, she tried to fix a smile to her face and headed out to the platform.
Or so they thought, unfortunately, an idiot had pranked them by replacing it with one saying 'Headcase Central'. Said idiot didn't live to regret it very long.Marty stood with Rosalyn Dekkard and Zoe Nesmith of her cottage, holding the other half of a banner with the name of the cottage with Rosalyn that Zoe was standing behind.
I think this invention might be helping there, just a random wild crazy shot in the dark.“He's busy, I'll say hello once we're at the school.” He snapped his fingers. “Which reminds me! You know Steve's sister, don't ya? The young lady that invented Kevra, right?”
Case in point.“Really? Well, bob's your uncle, that makes things easy! Cupcake, can you introduce me?” He blushed a bit and became contemplative. “I, uh, well, the guys at the precinct found out she goes to your school and...”
There's got to be at least some exageration in there.Her mind's eye saw her ten year old self for a moment, pudgy stomach bulging out the polo, the jeans grotesquely tight, designer brands, custom made brown leather knee boots with inappropriate stiletto heels and the tight lipped disapproval of fashion divas who wanted her money but couldn't bear the thought of their name on her fat, disgusting body.
And enjoy a Parent's Day wuth your parent too. Ah miracles of modern medicine, where a father isn't needed anymore...“You're sweet,” Marissa replied and gave her daughters somewhat drab choice of clothing a gimlet eye.
Also, the vict– aggressor can't sue for grievious harm.“When I talked to Mr. Siegel about defending myself, he said it was actually easier for him to defend me if I used a gun than if I used my hands,” she said as she returned the battery to the weapon, holstered it, and raised her shirt to attach the holster to the bra she was wearing. When the shirt was tucked back in the pistol had vanished in her decolletage. “He said it was harder to convince a jury I would have been in fear of my safety if I beat the crap out of my attacker.”
And people think weaponized fanservice is an anime thing only...Tansy grinned and gave her mom a hug. “That's the idea, mom! It's called a Flashbang holster...”
I take it they are sweet people. Leading me to wonder where the duck they were before that sentence...“Grandma and grandpa are coming?” Tansy demanded excitedly and squealed with delight as her mother nodded.
Finally someone getting the perks of power and their implications right in this world. You shold take note if you weren't already dead, Assolo.“Indeed,” Lord Paramount returned as he needlessly straightened a nine hundred dollar silk tie. “If I were half the villain I am made out to be, I could easily abuse my position as a trustee of this school.”
Elizabeth felt her eyebrow ascend her forehead. “Really?” she demanded. “To what end, Fredrick?”
“Well,” he said reasonably, flashing his oh so charming smile. “If I were such a villain, as a Trustee, that makes me your boss. I could finally compel you to admit my term paper on Ethan Frome was in fact worthy of an 'A' and force you to change my grade.”
She stands in the way of perfect grades! Destroy her!“That's why it was sexist!” Mrs Carson snapped. “Your 'C' stands! Fire me, I dare you!”
Loser.Fredrick chuckled at his former teacher's entirely put on venom and held up his hands in defeat. “This is exactly why I am not a villain! Who has the courage to face down you?”
I only remembered when i read that line than Maria had reappeared sooner during this dimensional shenanigan. Still, accounting for my comment from Amongst the Shadows, I chose to believe her appearance here was caused by a strange power of me. One I promise to use sensibily... By wishing for more Loose Cannons and Elrod's stuff (What? That's reasonable, I didn't say anything about the Kimboids.)!Maria Contessa Elyssa Gomez y Ricardo sat in the coffee shop that had been one of her favorite places when she had been a student and not a teacher and day dreamed.
She fled with your money, leaving you in the streets without even a word, with the ducker who abused you while she was doing fucking nothing if I remember it right. Hard to see what you could regret here. Except doing it too fast.The last she had heard, her mother had fled to Columbia, fearful of retribution from her mutant daughter. Maria hoped she would never lay eyes on her mother again; she wasn't sure she could trust herself to not do something permanent she'd regret.
Yeeeaaaah, I know I'm trying to swim against beliefs and tauma there, but maybe you should have tried for people not tied to these happy memories.A short courtship, a couple of encounters to scratch the itch, then the masculine mannerisms of the bulls she had been with would start reminding her too much of her step father.
Sorry for not being classy, but... The 'eyes' thing doesn't work on ladies, especially when they're not the point of focus (Yes, I know the eyes are the actual point here, especially with Elaine's age at the time. But the straight line was just there.)She was so...innocent...and those huge green eyes...
...At least you're not chasing after a trauma rapist ghost this time?Maria smiled. “You remind me of her sometimes. I was her first girlfriend and she got embarrassed very easily too.” Donna looked about furtively.
It's ealry twenty-first century, Donna. While it's unfortunately not so widely accepted, homosexuality has stopped being ground for 'medical treatments' in several places now... Dag, that wass bleak.“Donna, I am a lesbian,” Maria shot back in her normal tone, perhaps even a bit louder. “And I don't give a flying fuck who knows it.” No one in the shop reacted and Donna breathed a sigh of relief.
Although they had that... Mind you the idea had far more chances of being abused than the reverse.“It's against the law, Donna,” Maria tiredly told her. In the back of her mind she was a little amazed that her friend, the child of the forties saw nothing wrong with a teacher getting into a relationship with a student so long as she was 'old enough.' Of course, old enough was a nebulous term that Donna was hesitant to define.
I think you'd need fourth wall awareness and a long, long read to get all the details here....The worst of it, like a toothache that wouldn't stop hurting, was that her place with that wonderful, amazing human being had been taken by that ladder climbing whore Tansy Walcutt. The ice queen, the homophobes' homophobe; it made a kind of twisted sense that somebody with that much denial something had to be fishy, but never, even in her wildest dreams would Maria think, after their explosive breakup, over a boy(!) that Elaine Nalley would take another girl into her bed. And it hurt that she had picked Tansy.
It seems it could be more than ghost-chasing for either of you, sooo... yeah?“You wanna find out?” Maria asked coyly, her mind firmly in control of her power so there was not so much of a wiff that anything untoward might sway Donna's decision. The seconds stretched out and her heart thundered if perhaps she had threatened their friendship. Then, after a small eternity, her roommate sighed and screwed her courage to the sticking place.
“Yeah...” Donna said softly finally. “I...I think I do want to find out. Let's go.”
You need a better life than this, Harvey. And try to ditch Mega Death. that name is a straight line. (Example: Ultraschmuck just took an ultrapounding right in his ultrakidneys and thus faces an ultrahumiliation. More than usual).He knew his parents were not coming to Parents Day and he was completely unfazed by it.
Emotions were for the weak. Love was a weakness. His was a high and lonely destiny.
people interfering or mocking that smile have no soul and deserves annihilation.“Mother! Father!” Tansy let her mother greet her parents first, seeing the joy of their reunion as they hugged and there was not a dry eye for several moments. Tansy knew there was a silly smile on her face and she didn't care, there were far too many daydreams coming true for her to give two shits about what anyone thought.
You're awesome... Where were you before that sentence up there, and where is the catch?His large hand held up a strong finger. “None of that!” he scolded her. “Penny and I are Grandma and Grandpa! Or even gramps! Kids today don't want to be formal, after all. You're a little old, but I had this made when you first made the polo team for Liliuokalani Academy.” From behind his back he produced a little stuffed horse that bore the subtle hallmarks of having been hand made by a master craftsman. It took her a moment to realize it, but as he placed it in her hands it occurred to her that the stuffed horse's marking and color were an exact match for her horse.
Well, you do beat these matches of Save The Citizen at least.“So, do we get a tour?” Mrs Dawson asked with a smile. “What do they teach a young lady at this school?”
For a moment, Tansy tried to hold in her snicker, then decided against it. “Grandma, are you in for a surprise!”
"Well, that and burn down your enemies by showering them with 'Fuego! Pyrofuego!'. This guy has it down to the essentials..."“Which,” Circe had remarked at the time, “is exactly what magic is: understanding the rules of the universe so that you can change it.”
How many people in Whateley have to sign this contract exactly?The three teachers had prepared a Sorcerers' Contract that he had had to read and sign in his own blood and to swear an oath upon it that, come what may, he would only ever use the knowledge and power he was about to be granted for the betterment of all around him, harming only those who intended him or others harm and to invite the wrath of those who kept the Contract of Solomon should he use what he would learn for evil intent.
I can't help but... picture Bedside Rug using Dagda's voice (Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse). Jury's out on what it means.The spirit laughed and mentally placed his heavy paw on Wyatt's shoulder. Don't sell yourself short, son. I think you got what was being discussed a while back, and that's why you resisted it so hard. I don't blame you, I truly wish life could be as simple as eating, sleeping and...well...procreating shall we say? Unfortunately, that isn't the way of the world. You didn't ask for this burden, but you have picked it up and grown into being a man I respect.
Cheater. Where is the long exposure to resume the situation?“Oh, no, that was Maria. She's a...well, she's a friend.”
... I get it now, she's not actually psyching over meeting Stephen's parents, but because she can feel that Nimbus moved her on a 'to kill list' with her boyfriend.An icy, cold dread grabbed her by the guts and she felt a sudden, irrational desire to flee. Instead, she exhaled into her palm to sniff it and turned frantically to the other two girls. “How do I look?” she demanded, fearfully.
Because I have to stress it, he is the one having to worry about shotguns warnings now. not you. What, there is more to meeting 'rents? forgive me to thinking it's important when you can have discussion about ow deep lakes can be during these.“What's her problem?” she heard Bethany ask Amanda in a confused tone of voice.
Marty, if we needed perfection ini our life, Human race would hhave gone extinct for ages.Her tongue slipped its leash and she started to babble. “It wasn't Steve, Mrs Nalley! I'm just a big klutz and he's so important to me and I'd just die if I didn't make a good impression on you and I'm a New York Yankee and...” She clapped her hands over her mouth, mortified as the older woman looked at her somewhat askance and actually chuckled.
*Checks watch* And with luck, you can see her special performance for the day soon.“Oh, you might want to have a chat with Ms. Imp, she teaches Art here.”
“Ms. Imp?” Mrs Nalley asked. “What an unusual name...”
*rolls eyes* Please, you and Bedside Rug have been gaming for something like this to happen for a while. The only 'surprise' here is the identity of the girl.You will always come first, the spirit swore. But I admit I am no longer suspicious of her and her motives. And you three seem very happy together and that I very much approve of. Elaine went to hug her spirit and was surprised to feel her soft, warm fur in her arms before being enveloped in return by her powerful arms. I will do all I can to see things turn out well.
Euuuh, Elaine, Parents' Day, remember? Of course his own parents (more accurately here, his mother) would be here. Did you really expect you'd only meet them after having time to change?Instead, she found her fiance whose mouth fell open along with other tells of his appreciation of her look. Which would have been fine if he were alone. Or with Tansy. But he wasn't alone, or with Tansy and that meant there could only be one other identity of the early forties woman with him. And, with his ring feeling like a millstone on her hand, Elaine realized she was meeting her future mother-in-law wearing a skin tight, low cut top and her skin flushed a crimson scarlet to match her hair.
I dunno if it qualifies as assholish or darkly funny. Or a really twisted scheme to make sure opinion on his future wife could only go up... I got nothing.The woman laughed and gathered the abashed young girl into her arms. “Don't feel bad,” she consoled Lanie. “I met my mother in law wearing a T Shirt with the Playboy logo on it!”
“Dad sprung grandma on you like that?” Wyatt asked.
“It must run in the family,” Catherine replied with long suffering. “I almost castrated him over it!” Coming out of the hug she smiled at the young woman who had caught her son's fancy. “Cathy Cody,” she introduced herself.
Never plan only for best outcome...“Wyatt said you weren't coming...” Lanie declared in her defense, glaring at her intended and was a bit relieved when his mother punched him in the arm.
See Marty? Even if the girl is theoretic target, all pressure end up on the guy at the end. So chill.“You,” Cody replied with a wide smile on her weathered face. “Are a keeper, young lady. I officially approve.” Turning to her son, her voice became stern, but still had a hint of humor to it. “Wyatt, don't you dare let this girl get away from you!”
That's... a fairly accurate description of marriage, when I think about it."Mr Nalley, I am giving you fair warning, I intend to kidnap and adopt your daughter.”
Stuupid question, how exactly could you doubt your father would be accepting, Elaine?“Princess,” he told her quietly. “I was proud of you when the doctor first held you up and said,'It's a girl!' And when you started talking at six months I knew you were special.” He looked up and over her shoulder, his eyes wet and far away. “I thought I would never be prouder of you when I read that note from Ms Young, your first grade teacher, absolutely gob smacked that you were reading The Odyssey and understanding it. Well, I could sit here from now until Judgment bragging on all the times you made me proud and still not be done. Don't ever think I'm not proud of you, Elaine, or that you have to change who you are.”
*Shifty eyes* Don't worry, she's covered on that front.He sniffed and wiped his hand over his goatee. “As much as I think Wyatt is a fine young man, I want you to know you don't have to marry him just because you think I expect you to, or your maw and I want grand kids.”
Speaking of that... In for a penny, in for the whole vault of the bank!Lanie sucked on her lip and tried desperately to think how to explain things that were so intimate. “Daddy, Ah'm not stepping out on Wyatt,” she said quietly. “B...but Ah won't be his only wife.”
Keeping that in mind to throw it at fundamentalists someday...“Folks said they wanted the biblical definition of marriage, it doesn't get much more biblical than that.”
*Thinks about all these times my own mother was the sharpest one*Treasure this almost as much as your kids, sir for tis is a rare thing you have now.“Anyway,” he continued. “She knew about your...preferences...but not about Miss Walcutt. So now I'm not the last to know. And don't be in any rush to tell her.”
And, now onwards to Part Two.
... Now is the time to abort, Finson, at godspeed. You're getting close Darwin Awards levels of intelligence and tunnel vision (at least it will show the Other Lit Bitches than leaving Elaine twisting in the wind may not have been best choice. If yo side with the one going psycho, at least try to steer her away of self-destruction).And the library of Boston University had a fine collection of magic books for their Sorcery program, and they were a member of the New England Educational Library System. Maggie opened the tome of black magic and continued her research into spells of spirit banishing from hallows.
Ironically, the spell of resurrection she had worked on so hard would serve nicely when reversed properly.
“Soon, Lanie,” she whispered. “I'll have you free soon.”
*Look at G2 Adam* You know your mission now. Break the Attack Bitches, and make Whateley a place Six Years You would do everything to go again. May this moment of pure Dawwww live again for another kid someday.“Jack, why don't you take Adam and play outside while I finish the orientation?”
Within seconds, Adam was on his brothers back outside in the open air and loping off around this amazing place. “Faster! Faster!” he yelled, absolutely thrilled.
Thanks for the warning, I'll set up the transat, parasol, table popcorn, fresh drinks and cameras. And the ST, of course.In defense of her students, Elizabeth Carson was a force of nature, implacable, irresistible and every bit as relentless. So when her boss casually walked up to one of the parents Amelia knew to be a threat to their own child, her disconcerting smile spread across her face as she settled in to watch, wishing she had popcorn. She gently ribbed her fiance with her elbow and discretely directed his attention to the headmistress as she arrived at a well-dressed man with a woman half his age who was not appropriately dressed on his arm. “Ah, the show is about to start,” Fredrick murmured.
... Okay, the catch is coming. So not happy of seeing it coming (I did before I had to let this review percolate, cross my heart, may I be forced to eat an entire tablet of white chocolate if I lie!).“I haven't heard of her...” started the Dawson matriarch, but her husband chuckled and kissed her temple.
“Come now, Penny, you remember she changed her name to Lady Astarte, don't you?” He asked, and Tansy shared a glance with her own mother. Penelope rolled her eyes and made a gesture of self deprication.
Nertz, toMr Dawson's face was uneasy and that immediately got his daughter more worried. He warred with himself behind his eyes before he finally sighed and nodded. “I'm sorry, sweetheart, it's Alzheimer's.” Marissa's hand went to her mouth in horror. “It's still in the early stages so far, she forgets things, where her keys are, getting dates confused. She had always been so sharp I realized something was wrong right away. Part of the reason we went to Venice was a top ranked neuroscience practice there, and the EU has a trial for a new treatment that is based on Solon-4...”
Tansy, you should check this sort of thing with Jadis too. Even with her not knowing the finer details of her daddy's workings, i'm sure her insight will be valuable.“At least give me the names of this trial and the practice, dad,” she admitted urgently. “I've made some excellent friends here. Let me find out for sure it's legitimate...”
“Alright, that's fair,” he declared.
Beats me, Ma'am. Now, as a totally unrelated random wild crazy question, how would you like having both a step-son and a step-daughter through only one marriage?Why write a letter to her father admitting her experimentation now?
Only if you're about to crush the day of a six years old getting the right to ride a dinosaur.She trailed off as she caught sight of what looked like a dinosaur running through the field below the courtyard with what looked like a young child riding him. “Should...should I be worried?” she asked.
Yeah, must sting a lot.What was worse, she better than anyone could look into her grandmothers mind and see just how much she was being affected by something, but she felt powerless to act. Her grandmothers mind wasn't suffering from delusion or inability to see things for what they were, it felt damaged. As though a broken computer, the programs were fine but the hardware wasn't working right.
A brat badly needs a mega-kick right through his mega-balls, for some mega-pain and an impromptu mega-sensitivity training. And make it as mega-brutal as necessary.Tansy gasped in fright and suppressed outrage. Angelina's parents were dead, having died in the fire that consumed their home when her powers activated. This had been kept from the little girl to give her time to grow up without the burden of accidentally killing her mother and father. Gene must be Gene 'Mega-Boy' McDonald who probably had a crush on Angelina because he delighted in tormenting her.
Show-off. practical, but still show-off.“Grandma, this is Angelina.” Tansy reached out and touched Mrs Dawson's arm. She has control issues with her fire powers so we need to keep her calm, she pushed her thoughts at her grand mother, surprising her. Yes, it's me, grandma, telepathy is one of my...abilities. Out loud, she said, “Angie, why don't you take grandma and I to the Homer Gallery?”
Okay, here Hindsight Cheating is working, but perceptive people were surely feeling an urge to yell 'Hell Yeah!' raising.Marissa tapped her daughter on the shoulder. “That's me. Mom? Will you and dad be alright here for a few minutes? I need to run to admin for moment.”
“They need you?” her father asked. “I'm sure we'll be fine with our new granddaughter to tell us all about this wonderful museum!” Angelina giggled as Marissa turned back to her daughter.
“Come with me, you'll enjoy this.”
Okay, I don't want to diminish what's happening to Peeper here, and I guess I'm happy for him, but well I did think that moment back inAmongst tha Shadows was a bit ham-fisted, this feels like progressing a bit too quick... And frankly, reading about Harvey in the precedent part reminded me of someone who has been on the background for as long, could be argued as more sympathic than Peeper, and feels like he's left on the wayside on Peeper's favor... Until whatever is happening for him to pop up pans out.His eyes filled with tears as he understood he could see a green shirt.
“Dr Tenent!” he yelled, his voice cracking with the overwhelming sense of joy mixed with disbelief that he felt. “My shirt is green!”
Phew. For a moment I feared the popcorn wouldn't be ready in time. Thanks again for the warning.“Mr. Walcutt,” Mrs Carson greeted. “So nice of you to attend.”
... Why are all antagonists morons? Not that I have a lick of sympathy for you, but these sorts of things are generally surefire signs of things about to go South Pole. I swear, read the writing on the wall. Sorry for the bluntness.“Your messages were certainly dire enough, Mrs. Carson!” he replied with just enough invective to carry the subtle message he didn't consider her issue, what ever it was, an emergency. “Still, for what I pay for this school, I would think a courier's expense could have been covered.”
And it's not like Carson is bothering to hide how boned he already is.Mrs Carson's smile was the smile of a jungle cat, just about to pounce. “Of course. If you'd like to join me in my office? Amelia? Would you be so kind as to fetch your Notary Stamp so we can get Mr. Walcutt on his way without delay?”
At least you're chasing ghosts in a someho healthish way, so... yeah-ish?Donna couldn't keep in a giggle as she nodded and bit her lower lip. “Well, I'll swear off Blondes if you swear off Redheads...?”
“Deal!” Maria returned enthusiastically then their lips rejoined and they had better things to do than converse.
At best, you're a trophy wife, girlie, at worst a gold digger... No I don't mind if she's leeching the loser, but that money is supposed to be Tansy's someday. Also tells volume Mr W bring her here.“I'm Teddy's fiancee!” the brunette protested, but Walcutt patted her hand.
Heey,“Am I doing out of the little hospital prison you dropped me in?” she demanded archly. “My duties as an officer of the court.” She held out several blue envelopes in her hand. “You've been served.”
A restropectively very obvious trap about to crush you. And this awesome song.“What is this?” roared Walcutt in outrage, jumping to his feet. She held out the first envelope.
Nine years too early, I know, but it fits so well.
Hey, trash him as much as you want, but don't badmouth lesbians by associating them to that in a 'rather X than you'! Also, real classy, steealing your interned wife's savings during divorce, ducker.“I would become a lesbian before taking you back,” Marissa snarled. “But you're not going to give yourself a sweetheart deal acting on my behalf in our divorce!”
Oh that's adorable, you think you can do anything to Whateley. Please try, this year's Seniors need ideas for their Legacy project (they already marked the point where Assholo will feed a nice tree, but beyond that...)Walcutt whirled to snarl at Mrs Carson, his face flush and enraged. “You bitch! You're in on this, aren't you? Do you have any idea what I am going to do to you...?”
... Fuck decency. Don't even leave him a box on his back, Ma'am!“You haven't seen anything yet, my darling!” Marissa Dawson permitted herself a cruel chuckle. “I have not yet begun to bitch!”
... Yeah, Jobe clearly got his charm and ease at relationship from his mother.“Bribes!” Wilkins had sneered.
... Where the duck are people who could profit to learn more about how the world is grey when this sort of scenes happen?“Robert,” he corrected. The hero smiled and shrugged causing his polo shirt, a black one with the school's crest in gold on his breast with the legend Alumni under it to strain slightly. “As well as can be expected. Awaiting my wife and our daughter before we head to the Crystal Hall for lunch. You?”
“We both seem to be waiting on the women in our lives, Robert, and since we're both incognito, it's just Fredrick. I await my lady Amelia from some business in administration. So I was loitering around here remembering old memories.”
Bah, if she truly was one, she would see the writing on the wall and hit aort before that becomes the one needing to crash in her appartment.A man in a very expensive suit came storming down the stairs, shouting obscenities as he went, being chased by a woman who had all the ear marks of an experienced miner sticking with a claim.
... Many things (Including hopefully some throughly broken Attack Bitches. What? It's a responsible wish too.)Robert Turner shrugged. “Who knows what the future holds?”
And now I want to see something like this in Real Life... Is tday not too late to began saving up for this dream?Catherine Cody had listened to her son's stories about the Crystal Hall.
She had even seen the photographs and how proudly he bragged about spearheading the renovation of the space as the legacy of the Class of 2007, but even with all of that she was not prepared for the sheer magnitude of the space into which she entered.
That's how they call it now?Wyatt grinned and sweetened his coffee. “Well, if there's one thing I've learned at this school it's how to network.”
... I hope this one has saner base than other I saw. And the Nalleys don't feel the need to follow the trend.“Wyatt, your father and I are getting a divorce.”
Filthy lies. And just way to see him double down on the students to 'prove' finding someone isn't softening him.“If there is anything I have acquired here,” Gunny drawled, “It's a sense of humor.”
“Amen,” Debbie agreed as she put on a smile to welcome the parents making their way down to her cottage from Schuster Hall.
At least your dad genuinely loves you... And cram you up with not really anted cybernetics, got you possessed by a demon warpng your power and painting a telepathic target on your back– Damn, I was trying to be uplifting there.Tansy's mind was filled with memories of warm caramel pecan rings, Jane Austen, and pranking Malachi. “Believe me,” Jadis soothed her. “I know what it's like to hate your last name.”
Dawwww. Also, you need more fantasy books in your life.Jadis nodded, her own eyes a little moist at seeing Tansy in this vulnerable state and her conscience pricked her. Before her was not the Alpha who had turned a blind eye to her torment, nor the prettiest girl in school, distancing herself from her ugly friend now that she had bloomed, but rather Jadis saw the real Tansy. Jadis saw the tall, awkward nerd who had showed her that science fiction and fantasy could be just as much literature as Gothic romance. The friend who had introduced her to her greatest guilty pleasure; author C. S. Lewis and his Chronicles of Narnia and through them, the realization of who her real mother might be. And she remembered the selfless defender who rushed to her aid against the ceaseless torment of Cathy Pressman at Westchester Montessori and hid her heroism behind purposefully taking the contrary opinion of Jadis's favorite poet so they could argue and she could take Jadis' mind off the torment.
I dunno if that's Doctor Dad or someone else, but that's one other reason you needed to call Jadis: Connections.“Hi,” she greeted when the call finally went through. “I need a favor. No, that's not right, not a favor. I need to cash in a solid.”
The voice on the other end of the line was intrigued. “I'm listening.”
Cherish this moment, Adam. And remember the mission.From the speaker around his throat, the voice of Stephan Hawking declared, “One land, one king! And the sword of power!”
With the glee that shows your gift is the child's favorite, Adam threw himself at the bed and began to get dressed. There were damsels in distress, and they weren't going to save themselves!
I'm smelling a good old big reveal to all parents still unaware real soon.Tansy blushed a bit and picked up a tray to lead the way over to the salad bar. “I think Elaine was going to talk to hers today, mom, but I don't know if she has yet or not.”
*Watch all the camera flashes going with mines* At least she's considerate enough for this.The muscled woman charged, one hand cocked back in a classic cartoon punch pose that the woman neatly avoided, then its follow up and several other attempts. “Really?” Imp demanded, for that was who the woman was. “In the Crystal Hall? With a bunch of kids watching?”
Filthy lies. Everyone would want to watch that action go. Especially us readers.“You're right, my little flower,” she told her daughter. “I don't want any part of that.”
Wheew, that leaves me with only Brief Glimpses to catch up... And the next part I'm guessing is rather close by now. Random wild crazy shot in the dark. Or at least the story arriving tonight.
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Anne wrote: Oh yes, we really do want to see the whole donnybrooke between Imp and Aunt June.... Sure to inspire many laughs!
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Aww! Angie + Tansy interactions are so sweet! ... Hope she survives to Gen2!
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"Eileen Jablonski" ... Sounds familiar, but maybe just the first name. Need to reread that section to really understand the legal stuff.
The Shelly + Elizabeth convo was really cool!
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oooh... Kayda really didn't understand how to deal with spirits on their terms, or whatever. Or at least didn't fully get the implications of the Coyote never lying, until the end...
I think she "really" screwed up her meeting with Coyote... But at least she's still alive...
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... Action Tactical's got a assassin on school grounds? Or just a informant that can defend herself??
And we dunno who knows about Jill...
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And this story is now over... What's happening next, to all the characters we've seen, I wonder.
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But uh.. when did Carson’s girl get un-statues? An how did I miss THAT story?
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Malady wrote: "Eileen Jablonski" ... Sounds familiar, but maybe just the first name. Need to reread that section to really understand the legal stuff.
There's an Officer Helmann Jablonski on the Boston PD SWAT, and a Dr. Yablonski teaching Powers Lab and AP Physics I at Whateley.
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Nice to see them together.“I am never too busy for you, Shelly,” her mother declared with just the right mix of sincerity and good humor to keep things from getting maudlin. “In point of fact, I have a tray of Chef Marcel's chocolate croissants just begging to be enjoyed over a mother daughter chat. There might even be hot chocolate.”
Shelly arched an eyebrow. “Will there be marshmallows?”
Mrs Carson's dismay was apocalyptic. “Hot chocolate without marshmallows?” she demanded. “That's...un-American!” The two women shared a giggle and headed back towards the offices on the second floor. “You know, you never told me how your summer was with your father?”
Ouch, like she had been dead 12 years to her father and weird for her to be back.
Want! Talking about Hugh, to lose him to Deathlist.Her Mom's hot chocolate had always been made from unsweetened raw Coco Powder, adding her own sugar, vanilla extract and used hot milk instead of water.
Now there is a unique person.“Hugh was the most stubborn man I have ever met,” Liz told her with a smile. “That's how we met. I was at this little bar down in Berlin and he was delivering a batch of his cider when our eyes met and he walked away from the owner, mid-sentence, strolled right up to me and declared, 'You're going to be my wife! You want to fight it or just come with me over to the Justice of the Peace now? I'm Hugh Wells by the way,' and he actually stuck out his hand to be shook!” Liz shook her head. “In all my years of being in the super hero business I have never met an ego to match Hugh Wells.”
Nice to see mother-daughter who can tease each other and it be in good nature.“He rates your respect as a teacher at this school and an adult,” Mrs Carson replied. “Beyond that is...”
Ow, I think some discussions on time travel have hurt my head less, not a complaint but dang.It had been over twenty-six years since Shelly's birth, but her new cloned body was physically one. Her awareness, however, was somewhere between sixteen and twenty-six, since her consciousness had slowly become aware of her surroundings and the goings-on around where she was trapped. But her consciousness was only sixteen plus a bit in their dimension since she'd been in a para-dimensional trap. Fortunately, long ago, the legal age issue had come up in famous case Jabolnski v. Delaware, which every mage knew. With some magic inter-dimensional travel that included physical age reversal and time dilation, there was a huge argument about Eileen Jablonski's legal age and an estate she was supposed to inherit. When all the dust settled and the smoke cleared, the Supreme Court had finally ruled that under those circumstances, the legal age was the age of Jablonski's consciousness in this dimension, unless there was a body of scientific proof to establish the exact duration of time in an alternate dimension and that there existed proof that the consciousness in said dimension possessed awareness. It was a hugely complicated decision that included criteria for awareness, and two later cases extended the precedent to include suspended animation and time warps.
Shelly legally seventeen and Donna legally twenty-two, interesting.
A good lesson for anyone.“Don't conflate boorishness with manhood, my girl,” Mrs Carson replied.
Too bad he isn't still alive, could give lessons to the idiots on campus who treat girls as objects of conquest.He was confident, but not a braggart, he was strong and his strength wasn't challenged by mine. He was the most natural leader I have ever met, and yet he could listen and admit when he was wrong, which I must admit was actually pretty rare. He knew what he wanted and he would not be turned aside by anyone or anything but me. And he didn't want to sleep with me, he wanted to be my husband.
Angie sweeping Tansy's grandparents off their feet hope they adopt her, though for that to happen she would have to find out her parents are dead. Ouch, control levels connected to stress levels, no wonder she is in Hawthorne. Pretty sure the Nalleys have a big home, one that can fit two guests and their family easily.
Tansy, her mom and grandparents, Lanie, her parents, younger brother and Wyatt, and Marty and her parents, now there is a big group.“Well, welcome to the family, young lady!” Mrs Dawson exclaimed, hugging the surprised red head. “I'm Penelope and this is my long suffering husband Daniel.”
Love Gene's sense of humor.“My word!” exclaimed Mr Dawson as he and Elaine's father shook hands. “You're having this crowd over for Thanksgiving?”
“My wife is a sadist and loves tormenting me,” the mechanic drawled with a wink at his wife. “We were just sorting through all that as you walked up, please sit down.”
All of them at the Dawson home in Boston for Thanksgiving, even Angie. Now that is something I would love to see.
Nice J.R.R. Tolkien quote as well.Holding up a hand he declared, “Please, I must insist, I will see to all the travel arrangements and our house can easily accommodate everyone.” He placed an arm around his daughter and beamed. “Suddenly I am reminded of how important family is, and how fragile. I have my daughter and my granddaughter once again and I feel a need to celebrate. So, it is settled. You will all spend Thanksgiving with us.”
And a text from Marty about the buses being on their way, Kayda thinking how different the start of this year is from the last.
Oh crud, with him there I'm guessing Parent's Day is going to have more excitement than 'Aunt June' attacking Imp.“Life has a tendency to change our dreams,” an all too familiar voice purred behind her, sending chills down her spine. Kayda stood and turned, seeing Coyote sitting on the floor between her bed and Chou's, tail curled primly around his paws like a cat, muzzle partly open in a canine grin. “Well met, Ptesanwi.”
I sometimes wish I could trick him off a cliff.“Why, all of them, of course. All will want to hear the wisdom of the Ptesanwi, the one who knows better than they how to live their own life.”
Ugh, trying to goad Kayda like this, saying she is making decisions for everyone. And him bringing racism into it, I thought Coyote was more clever than this.
Using Danica like that, really hating Coyote right now.“So certain are you!” chuckled Coyote. “I wonder what the lovely Danica would say to such claims? She is mourning her manhood today, isn't she? Shall I call her to hear her tell us how well her sister looks out for her?”
“I didn't make Danny host Wihinape!” Kayda countered sternly. “And I surely wasn't going to inflict what I went through on a daughter I might have had with Lanie!”
Now this is just monstrous, beyond manipulative imo."And so you seized that power, wrapped yourself in a cloak of self-sacrifice and damn the consequences to anyone else!" the spirit continued as if Kayda hadn't interrupted. "What is your brother's manhood to you being the Ptesanwi?!” The grin got wider and a bit nasty. “But now you blame me for what you did to your own brother?”
Blaming her for what happened to Danny/Danica, either choice was horrible in its own way and yet he is tormenting her for it. Calling her self-centered for making the choice she did, ugh.
No matter what aid he gives, the way he goes about it still ticks me off.The spirit stood, it's eyes fierce and burning. “Torment? Woe to you should I wash my paws of your best interest, Ptesanwi, and show you the full measure of torment the Trickster of the Tribe is capable of.”
All this to inform her of the threat, why mess with her about Danny? And now she apologizes to Danny and explains to him what happened, guess this was the point. Still, sometimes he is too brutal in his lessons.The spirit stepped forward, his breath hot and foul of carrion and rotting meat. “Know this, Ptesanwi, Kigatilik, Eater of Shamans, Warrior of the Claw People stalks your spoor. I, great liar that I am, helped your Cuwe and the Princess destroy his astral form, but he had manifested once more his physical form. Or were you and your wise teachers unaware that the freak snowstorm was a consequence of him pushing part of himself back into the physical world?" Kayda started at that new information; she'd have to relay that to Mrs. Carson and the magic arts staff.
Tansy being introduced by Angie to her team, Team Awesome. Gene McDonald saying Angie is telling fibs, that boy needs a lesson in manners from his mom who is right behind him.
Good to see that boy taught a lesson.“Gene, what have I told you about picking on Angie?” she demanded in a fair approximation of Mrs Carson's Stern Voice of Supreme Authority. The ten year old got nose to nose with Tansy, no small feet as she was currently six foot two thanks to her shoes. On Gene, the effect was somewhat comical as his proportions didn't change and he looked like an enormous little kid, not a young man of six foot two.
“You're not...”
“Gene,” Tansy repeated, her voice a better impersonation and just a hint of uncertainty and doubt washed over the boy.
“Sorry, Miss Walcutt,” he mumbled in a surly tone and shrank back down to his normal size. The woman arrived and offered her hand.
Guess his mom knows what a pain he can be.“Goodness, can you teach me that!” she asked with a harrowed smile. “Tammy McDonald.”
Team Awesome showing off for their parents, now that is a show.
Mrs. Mahran talking about Erik, offering to keep an eye on Angie while trying to keep her mind off how Erik died, ouch. At least she has Miranda and her oldest daughter, plus I hope she learns the truth about Erik.Tansy smiled lightly. “A bit, but then Angelina’s parents didn’t make it. She doesn’t know, and every year someone plays surrogate parent for her. She’s a handful, but she’s a sweetheart.”
Ouch, Tansy spotting Caitlin's pained expression, Tansy feeling real pain and seeing Caitlin crying before she stalks off to Arena 99. This mess needs to be fixed already.
Dang, got me tearing up here. At least Tansy heeds Mustang's advice, right now Caitlin would need one or more of the Outcasts to comfort her.“Sure, Mommy!” Angie declared brightly and jumped up to grab Tansy around her neck and pull her down enough to kiss her cheek. “You're the best Mommy ever!” Basking in the feeling of completely unreserved love and joy from the girl, Tansy swept her up into her arms and gave her a twirl before returning her to her feet. Giggling, Angie hugged her and then ran back to Miranda.
Lanie cleaning the dishes when Marty shows up to talk.
It's not just anything, we need more inventors who create things to protect lives rather than take them.Marty joined her at the window and began to sort her own dishes. “My, uh, my dad wants to meet you. It...well, it might get a little embarrassing. He...look, I never got a chance to say this, but NYPD changed their uniforms to a kevra weave last year, and...and my dad was the first officer that was shot in one, and it saved his life.” Marty dropped the tray and swept her friend into a hug. “You saved my dad's life, Lanie! Thank you so much!”
Butter yellow hair and blue eyes like Marty, and nervous about talking to Lanie.
Whoa, kevra is better than I previously thought, uniforms made out of it and it stopped shotgun shells. Thought it was a vest worn under the uniform before now.“I...uh...well, I wanted to say thank you,” the older man told her, his manner becoming more sure as he retold an old story. “That shi...stuff you made, kevra, well, the Department changed our uniforms last year to ones made out of it and a lot of the guys, me included to be honest, got kind of...uh...well, we complained that folks were just getting by and new uniforms were expensive. That was before I took a pair of shot gun slugs to the chest. That shirt saved my life.”
More and more I wish kevra existed in the real world.“No, hear me out, little lady, this is hard enough,” he replied with a somewhat roguish smile. “And not just my life. Twenty two guys have been shot so far since we went to the new uniforms. Guys with families they got to go home to because of you. We can't tell you how great it is to not have to shove a vest carrier under clothes with plates. Its hot, it doesn't let you move, it doesn't breath, they're a nightmare. A lot of guys wouldn't wear them because of it. Guys that aren't with us any more. But this thing of yours, it's just like a regular shirt! It's amazing!”
Now that is a gift of respect and honor from police, a custom badge in gold and the jeweler saved by one of her kevra Under Armor shirts as well and added a ruby. That is just awesome.
So glad Lanie gets to see the good her invention has done.A tear escaped Elaine's eye and rolled down her cheek. “Ah...Ah am overwhelmed, Mr Penn! Ah have never been so honored in mah life.”
“It was the least we could do,” he told her firmly.
Is it wrong to wish lightning would strike Theodore Walcutt dead? Seigel and Theo's law firm already trying to worm his way out of this, they are going to regret that. Properly schooled in her place once more, okay, death by lightning is too good for him. Boiling oil, tar and feather, then dropped in lava. Order for counseling, he is going to try and have her brainwashed! And after what he just said about Marissa and Tansy, slow torture using a healer to keep him alive seems a good fate for Theo now. Calling someone like Mr. Lewis, he may as well sign his own death warrant.How dare that blonde whore try this? He seethed as he took out his phone and angrily gave it his pass code. How did she get out of Ash Grove Assisted Living without my authorization?
And Wyatt finally talks to his mother about the divorce. Catherine only stayed with him, planning to divorce when Wyatt graduated. His father is an alcoholic, they live in the most desolate town on planet Earth, his and the sigh indicates a lot more issues. Live with her parents until back on her feet and interview at Mercy Hospital in San Francisco, she has a plan. Wyatt having to think about visiting her with Lanie for the summer, *sigh*
Action Tactical, Inc. headquarters, the same guys Tansy hired for that job. Arthur Lewis, checking out nearly a hundred new hires they need for a huge contract with H Folmer & Co.
Good, maybe he will find out what is going on and reject Theo's contract, bad for future business with Tansy. Hope those orders given to the operative at Whateley are in Tansy and her mother's favor, otherwise, Arthur Lewis and Action Tactical, Inc. are looking down the barrels of messing with Whateley neutrality by targetting a member of the staff.What was more troubling was why Mr. Walcutt suddenly needed him to deal with his daughter. Something had changed the family dynamic in a major way.
Marty on Cloud 9 after actually meeting Stephen's parents, she's got a great guy in Stephen.
Talking about her relationship with Evie, not wish to be lated to Loophole, now that is just mean. Bwahahaha, the way this conversation goes, and boys wonder if girls talk amongst themselves like they do.“I swear,” came Naomi's voice from across the room. “If you keep me up all night again moaning his name in those pornos you call dreams, I will dump a bucket of ice water on you.”
Tansy and Jadis in Dickinson Cottage, Room 502, drinking wine. Ms. Hartford turned Tansy onto this particular wine, whoa. And Jadis asking if the rumors about Lanie and Tansy are true, hehe. Admitting she loves Lanie and Wyatt, that is a big step.
Bobby Earl has a crush on Jadis, I would love for them to get together.Tansy shrugged and took another sip of wine. “Maybe it's true what they say about the link between suppressed desire and homophobia. I won't say I'm attracted to every girl, but Lanie and I have something very special. What about you? I hear young Mr Fields is very taken with you...”
Ouch, shooting him down because she doesn't think he is smart enough for her. Jill Harris, wearing a school grounds keeper's uniform, shows up to talk to Tansy.
Wasn't expecting Arthur Lewis to go this route.Finally, Miss Harris nodded. “Miss Walcutt, I'm with Action Tactical, placed here to keep a protective eye on you.” Jadis noted Tansy's shoulders immediately square up and her weight shifted to present a blade angle of her body to the grounds keeper. Jill noted it too, confirming Jadis' opinion she was much more dangerous than she looked, as she deliberately stepped back a pace and kept her hands up, but in a gesture of submission. “I'm breaking cover, ma'am, on the express orders of my employer to give you a message.”
And Jadis saying it is a family matter, no charge for confidentiality.“Arthur Lewis, ma'am,” the veteran, for she could be nothing else, replied. “He told me to inform you that your father attempted to contract us to abduct you and return you to his residence in New York. Also that Mr Lewis is specifically declining that contract, and future work with Mr Walcutt and, if you and your friend, will keep this meeting discrete and my cover intact, that I am to continue to keep an eye on you for your own protection. In addition to warn you that as we have declined to accept this contract, it is likely your father will pursue other means of accomplishing this.”
Whoa, Jill Marine is a badass, Tansy setting up contact protocol with her is smart. And Tansy tells Ms. Hartford about this new development, I think Theo has signed his own death warrant at this point.
Cyberkitty in a conference room she was directed to by Ms. Claire, a meeting with Ms. Hartford. Ooo, calling in the big guns on Theo, goodie.
Engage her creativity, now this is going to be good. Humiliation public to sting at their pride and vanity, yes, destroy Theo!“Frequently, we as hackers are given simple assignments or contracts, acquiring data from secure databases, monitoring networks or conducting intrusion or counter intrusion drills. While we have gone over a number of these so far, I'm introducing you today to one of the more interesting jobs as a Hacker. There will be times when your principal is targeting a specific person and has engaged your creativity to punish them for some transgression.”
Donner turned the photograph and read the caption underneath it. “Theodore Darryl Walcutt?” She asked, mildly curious. “Any relation to Tansy?”
“Her father,” Ms Hartford replied. “You're going to destroy him.”
A smile spread across Paige's face. “Cool...”
I loved this story from start to finish. All the interactions with the parents, how Lanie's father reacted to the news and his talk with her showing he is a wonderful father, Tansy with her mom and grandparents, with Angie, Marty meeting the Nalleys and having her worries and fears put away. Just everything we got to see happen. And that last part with Cyberkitty and Ms. Hartford, can't wait to see the results of the semester project.
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I also want to say that I enjoy the random little jaunts down Judicial Lane you toss in.
@calliedelnoire: She was rescued in The Secret of the Forger's List, if that's what you're asking. I don't think we specifically saw her get her new body though.
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Dreamer wrote: Ugh, trying to goad Kayda like this, saying she is making decisions for everyone. And him bringing racism into it, I thought Coyote was more clever than this.
Kayda is the one that took “That would be the white thing to do, wouldn't it?” as “That would be the wrong thing to do, wouldn't it?” Who's the racist? Likewise, it's likely that her (and Wakan Tanka's!) antipathy for Western everything that has held her back from learning more of it.
There have already been some consequences of favoring one culture over the other, with more likely to come, but Kayda doesn't act as if she's recognizing that.
“What Tribal Council?” she asked with a hint of impatience, but the spirit did not take notice.
“Why, all of them, of course. All will want to hear the wisdom of the Ptesanwi, the one who knows better than they how to live their own life.”
That is a criticism that she's going to be hearing for the rest of her life. Beneath that, one might well wonder if Kayda fully understands that she does primarily act as if The People == Lakota and as if Europe were a similar monolith. As the White Buffalo Calf Woman, there is a danger that many camps may adopt any Lakota customs she champions by example in place of their own. Is that truly any better for them than to adopt "European" ways?
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Using Danica like that, really hating Coyote right now.“So certain are you!” chuckled Coyote. “I wonder what the lovely Danica would say to such claims? She is mourning her manhood today, isn't she? Shall I call her to hear her tell us how well her sister looks out for her?”
“I didn't make Danny host Wihinape!” Kayda countered sternly. “And I surely wasn't going to inflict what I went through on a daughter I might have had with Lanie!”Now this is just monstrous, beyond manipulative imo."And so you seized that power, wrapped yourself in a cloak of self-sacrifice and damn the consequences to anyone else!" the spirit continued as if Kayda hadn't interrupted. "What is your brother's manhood to you being the Ptesanwi?!” The grin got wider and a bit nasty. “But now you blame me for what you did to your own brother?”
I'm not as confident that leaving Danny to fumble around without answers except from Coyote and without a female confidant or source of comfort other than TWFKAH is all that much better on Kayda's part.
Dreamer wrote: Still, sometimes he is too brutal in his lessons.
Or not brutal enough by half.
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Honestly, I think the Shelley and Liz segment went on a little too long. Not that it didn't cover some interesting things, necessary things, but narratively, it felt like it supplanted the hints at the Maggie section introduced earlier, which never got closure in this story. No, it wasn't that much of the story, but it did feel a little dragged out.
The looming Thanksgiving extravaganza? In Boston?! I fear for the worst!
I liked that Coyote confronted Kayda now about the consequences of her choices. Even if she wants to be relatively hands-off, and she has been, acting as a mediator more than anything, people are going to expect her to be a leader. Or blame her when she acts, or doesn't act. It's not fair to Kayda, but that's part of the burden of being important and influential. The sooner she gets used to it, the sooner she can become more of the mediator she idolizes in Lanie and wants to be for her People. Danny is a good place to practice.
Always love the "preview" of Tansy becoming a loving mother figure.
The Marty and Naomi scene had me smirking like crazy. I'm glad that Marty is finally over her jitters, but I didn't realize she was torturing Naomi so badly every night!

Tansy and Jadis getting along again can only spell doom for their enemies, and terror to the literary community. Their reconciliation warms my heart. Two girls, divided by teenage social constructs, finally admitting to themselves that mistakes were made, but true friendships endure. That Tansy trusts Jadis with the knowledge of her mercenary hires says a lot. Tansy knows how far Sheba's strings reach, and she trusts her with it. Furthermore, Jadis doesn't even pretend to want compensation, she gives her a freebie out of sympathy for Tansy's family situation. The two girls can relate in a way most can't. That's true friendship.
I also liked that the reason Action Tactical backs Tansy and not her father is because he treats them like shit and Tansy doesn't. They're a means to an end to Teddy, and Tansy treats them like a loyal customer to a family business. She doesn't micromanage them, she trusts them and their methods. Give them a goal, let them competently perform it. That's real leadership. No wonder they respect her more.
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I hope Caitlin reconciles with her mother soon.
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First, he's factually... Not wrong. Just being the Ptesanwi means a power Kayda can't ignore and shaping lifes even if she isn't actively using it. And the way she acted in face of Danny's troubles... Was becoming frankly abject when you realize the depth of his situation. Constant emotional abuse, battalions of stalkers, total bullying... And she didn't react beyonfd laughs, when if she was being pursued round the clock by male admirers, taking a random sign as a 'proof she enjoy it', you'd heard the uproar in and out of universe. I have siblings too, and I want to believe they would have acted better in this situation, and most certainly hope I would have
That being said and out of the way... FUCK YOU WITH A RUSTED CHAINSAW, YOU FUCKING AETHERIC VERMIN!
And for something relatively more constructed:
-Not telling to Danny? Dude, remember your timing, you didn't let her the choice here you went for Danny while she was still reeling of discovering about the fact her supposed daughter was the one with the doom ticket, you went for your sick fun in the following second. And Fuck You, you lied to this kid. Lying isn't just saying false things, it's also hiding info, like at fucking random 'Oh, chosing the power also meant his hypothetical daughter wouldn't get all that shit and worst thrown to her face, you know?' (Kayda should have gone full version after this).
-Oh, and on the topic of lying... You want me to believe you could ahave rewritten reality when you offered that '''deal''' to Kayda to change it all? My. Soy. Sauce. Roasted. Chiken. Ass. And beyond that. I refuse to believe that fucker or anything can predict the future perfectly enough he's just Right. The idea he could do that leads me to think about a degree of determinism so bad than we can all throw our dreams to the toilet, everything is already predicted for eons to come. Oh right, THAT WAS A LIE TOO, because your little fuckery forgot predicting Brandon would have an Avatar trait. Conclusion? You're clearly not able to know everything, so Fuck You for trying to sell that as Truth. And to go back to Danny, he would still have that Avatar trait, and how the fuck can you be so certtain WT wouldn't still want Slut Kitty inside someone close to the Ptesanwi, like, I don't fucking know... Her uncle, by chance? Fuck You.
-Riiight, that's incredibly assholishly selfish to take a power who already fucked up your life at several levels so you know your future kid isn't having this nice little side effects. Fuck You. And don't call me out on the actual egoism there, I'm venting at the fucker, please. Fuck, I'm even willing to not hold that one to WT, because of that crackish idea I had about how the decision was taken:
Wakan Tanka: Bedside Rug and Uga Buga are down there on Earth? What is so important for these egocentric wankers amongst us aetehric bastards to go at the same time... Oh My Me, the Bastard's back, and he's already slaughtering the tribes of the People! Random Mook Spirit, how are the things going on the Ptesanwi front?
Random Mook Spirit: Euh, Brandon is just manifesting now, Boss... Holy Fuck, turns out he's also an Avatar!
WT: Thanks Me! I'm going now. Go fetch Tatanka!
RMS: Euh Boss, you know that would mean unleashing things like that serpent critter?
WT: Stealing human idiom right now: The building is on fucking fire! Who the fuck cares about the roof leaking?
RMS: You could also trust Bedside Rug and uga Buga to deal with it quickly and without destroying the People as collateral damage.
WT: . . .
RMS: Yeah, can't understand I'd thought I'd be laughing here. Fetching the White Buffalo now. Good luck, Boss.
-And now we go for the incredibly assholish way of delivering speech you fucking wanker have. Fuck You. Kayda's right, you're getting off on these barbs, and being passive aggressive about this abject shit doesn't mean in any fucking way you're not taking great pleasure at going that way rather going for plain truth. Oh look, you wanker is lying again. Jeez, for someone telling he never lies you do that a lot. I also notice the reaction to both the accuqations Kayda made. Tells a lot about its actual value to me, you know? And I'm not even telling how conveniently you sweep it under the rug when You do sometinhg... Oh. Wait.
-And from a narrative viewpoint: I hate very much the way it was built up there, both the warning for Kigabidule coming and the Danica/Kayda scene. Te former? Looks like Kayda is only getting the warning if she duely suck up to the Almighty Perfect Trickster Coyote, who is Always Right, and if not? Fuck her, she can go in a dumpster fire. And the latter? She's not allowed to have the realization by herself, the stupid hateful bint, no sir, the Almighty Perfect Trickster Coyote has to tell her about it before she considers changing. Because the Almighty Perfect Trickster Coyote is Always Right.
-Leading me to the last point, I hate the fact Coyote is painted as the Almighty Perfect Trickster Coyote, who is Always Right when he appears. Or at least that's the way I see it. Spirits in Whateleyverse who are high enough on the food chain are all egocentric jackasses in a way or another, but at the same time, things don't always go the way they want it, and that makes it bearable. Except for the Almighty Perfect Trickster Coyote, who is Always Right. He's always doing the objectively right thing, always, and since he's been there he automatically moves the lot forward when he's around, always in the '''right direction''', and because of that, he's 'allowed' to be an asshole of galactic proportions in the delivery, and woe to you if you object, because he looks like a Plot Device Level of Right when he acts, as it's normal for the Almighty Perfect Trickster Coyote, who is Always Right. And it drives me crazy. Just because his alleged functions is throwing barbs at the other egotistic wankers, makes things move on, and because he's a '''Trickster''' (Wukong is one too, people, and he doesn't need to be a fucktard to be one, food for thought), he's got the Ultimate Karma Houdini Pass, and I refuse to swallow that Kool-Aid. He's even worst than all these fucking wankers still thinking they're still living in their Atlantis Uber-Kewl Land, because that hypocrite asshole has the nerve to think himself better than all of creation because of the way he's acting, when at least they're open about the egotism if you look it right. A fucktard calling out other fucktards for their shit is still a fucktard, Asshole. Also, last point, what happened to your so precious Uber-Kewl Land? Oh right, that's a puddle between America and Europe now. Fuck You, fucking vermine-ridden maggot, you're not better, yu're not perfect, and I refuse to suck up your rotten balls, no matter how much right you could be. Vermin like you is why Team Humanity Fuck Yeah attract so many 'kill them all' whackos... Free Will Forever, Fucktard.
And I can't believe it led me to think about that for even a second, how much of a Patreon contribution would be needed to have a story where that stupid wanker has to openly and clearly acknowledge 'I was wrong' or 'I fucked up'?
Letting it out feels good.
- Malady
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And the sacrifices he made to get there and be the person that can always be trusted, was really tough and he can't stand someone sullying his sacrifices by calling him a liar.
And possibly can only tell the truth when speaking to others, so he can't figure out anything when working alone...
And the Petsawni should know all this, but doesn't, which makes him even more angry at how *stupid* or *ignorant* she is.
Oh, and his offers to change the universe might require him to sacrifice himself or something, so that's a Really Big Offer. You Don't Even Know.
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I'm kind of surprised that Shelley and Mrs. Carson hadn't had that sort of conversation before.
I'm not sure if Tansy's Grandparents will adopt Angie, but I can see them setting up a fund for her schooling, and/or leaving her something in their wills. (Seeing Tansy's mom and grandparents, makes me wonder if dear old dad had something done to Tansy mind control wise.)
Coyote is an ass, but that seems to be the way he teaches. IIRC from where Kayda is later preparing as Ptesnwi her ceremonial outfit contains elements from many tribes, and her "handmaidens" and guards are also drawn from multiple tribes.
Gene is a jerk. Angie may end up with lots of "mommies."
Thanksgiving in Boston with a half dozen or so super powered teens, two of which have a serious superhero goal. What could go wrong?
I almost feel sorry for Mr. Walcutt, naaah I don't feel sorry for him at all.
Don't Drick and Drive.
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Valentine wrote: I almost feel sorry for Mr. Walcutt, naaah I don't feel sorry for him at all.
What, the arranged marriage thing?
I'm wanting to see what he'd be like if he wasn't forced into it, maybe he wouldn't be a big of a jerk. What do we know about him, pre-marriage again??
Lol at Tansy + Trevor marrying, for political reasons, in AU.
Lol if Mr. Walcutt is a low-level Esper Mutant too. But he got tested, right?
Hmm... The ability to make Gene Engineered Psyhics, might mean there's PSI genes separate from the MGC, and he might have some of those? Those genes create a predisposition towards PSI mutations??
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Malady wrote: Coyote might actually be tied to some Universal Truthteller Ability, so he literally can't lie.
Probably not, as in many of his legends he lies. A lot. It's more often than not for his own gain. However, humans are his favorite toys. Not one human, but humans as a species.
If Kayda had allowed him to patch her timeline to the point that the story could have been played off as Coyote Tricks Unhcegila's Boys With A Painted Buffalo, she wouldn't still be in this mess. However, Coyote did choose to give her a choice in the matter instead of just going ahead and doing whatever he may have wanted to do, while Kayda chose to keep the power and prestige of being Ptesanwi, and the hawt girlfriend on the side. Now they are stuck with each other.
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null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: Coyote might actually be tied to some Universal Truthteller Ability, so he literally can't lie.
Probably not, as in many of his legends he lies. A lot. It's more often than not for his own gain.
Well, there's a good bit of leeway in legend telling, especially oral history. I imagine great chunks of stories were along the lines of:
Aladdin: Wow, you sure showed me! Now, about my three wishes...
Genie: Doth mine ears deceive me? Three? You are down by ONE, boy!
Aladdin: (Smirking) Well, now, I never actually WISHED to get out of the cave, you did that on your own...

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: Coyote might actually be tied to some Universal Truthteller Ability, so he literally can't lie.
Probably not, as in many of his legends he lies. A lot. It's more often than not for his own gain. However, humans are his favorite toys. Not one human, but humans as a species.
If Kayda had allowed him to patch her timeline to the point that the story could have been played off as Coyote Tricks Unhcegila's Boys With A Painted Buffalo, she wouldn't still be in this mess. However, Coyote did choose to give her a choice in the matter instead of just going ahead and doing whatever he may have wanted to do, while Kayda chose to keep the power and prestige of being Ptesanwi, and the hawt girlfriend on the side. Now they are stuck with each other.
Either way, Kayda got a smokin-hot girlfriend. If you recall, if he was Brandon, he'd end up with Laine. If she stayed Kayda, she had Deb.
Power and prestige had little to do with it. It was primarily about NOT having a daughter with Lanie that was going to suffer the things Brandon/Kayda had gone through. As chosen, Lanie gets Wyatt - and presumably has happy family. Kayda stays Kayda, with the burdens of being the Ptesanwi (which she encountered on the first day of the 07/08 school year, if you recall. The tribes wanted her as supreme chief. The BIA wanted to control her.). So she has an inkling of what she's going to get into. She knows the troubles she had with Uncegila and his three sons, with the water panther, and so on. That's and the rape are what she takes upon herself to not have Brandon's and Lanie's daughter suffer through that.
And she gets Deb.
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
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Some thoughts on Coyote. First if Coyote tells the truth, he only tells the part of the truth that would lead you to do what he wants you to do. Or in other words he tells the truth only from his perspective.elrodw wrote:
null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: Coyote might actually be tied to some Universal Truthteller Ability, so he literally can't lie.
Probably not, as in many of his legends he lies. A lot. It's more often than not for his own gain. However, humans are his favorite toys. Not one human, but humans as a species.
If Kayda had allowed him to patch her timeline to the point that the story could have been played off as Coyote Tricks Unhcegila's Boys With A Painted Buffalo, she wouldn't still be in this mess. However, Coyote did choose to give her a choice in the matter instead of just going ahead and doing whatever he may have wanted to do, while Kayda chose to keep the power and prestige of being Ptesanwi, and the hawt girlfriend on the side. Now they are stuck with each other.
Either way, Kayda got a smokin-hot girlfriend. If you recall, if he was Brandon, he'd end up with Laine. If she stayed Kayda, she had Deb.
Power and prestige had little to do with it. It was primarily about NOT having a daughter with Lanie that was going to suffer the things Brandon/Kayda had gone through. As chosen, Lanie gets Wyatt - and presumably has happy family. Kayda stays Kayda, with the burdens of being the Ptesanwi (which she encountered on the first day of the 07/08 school year, if you recall. The tribes wanted her as supreme chief. The BIA wanted to control her.). So she has an inkling of what she's going to get into. She knows the troubles she had with Uncegila and his three sons, with the water panther, and so on. That's and the rape are what she takes upon herself to not have Brandon's and Lanie's daughter suffer through that.
And she gets Deb.
Also, if he is a teacher, his lessons are more in the line of always be aware of your surroundings, and nothing is exactly as you think it is. I need to think on this some more to round out my version of Coyote if (when maybe) I Continue Kelly as she is hosting what I call a shard of Coyote.
The coyote (and thus Coyote) has lived for a long time in close proximity to people, not so close as the dog, but close enough that any coyote might raid the unwary camp for a meal, whether part of the day's catch or a pair of moccasins. It might take to raiding the women and children's trap lines or other mayhem. So its spirit became the trickster, ever near, ever hiding, ever misdirecting your eyes if possible, and ever willing to lead you on a fruitless chase.
As to whether or not Coyote could actually have done what he said and undone what was done to Brandon? YMMV. I suspect such a move would have cost him quite a bit, and may not have turned out nearly like he told Kayda, after all he was telling the truth as he wanted her to interpret it. The same with Danny/Dannica. Which means that Kayda really ought to get over her urge (not that she's apt to) to punish Danny for past wrongs, study deeply the lore about Coyote, and then make a friend of her brother/sister. Yeah she loses some opportunity to get payback for sibling annoyances, but the people you will have in your life the longest (generally) are your siblings, learning to get along with them is a good thing!
Other thoughts. Though Kayda has sort of ignored the possibility, as has Coyote (we wonder why) she could have a turkey baster baby and chose the father for genetic reasons if it became an issue with the tribes. I don't think medical science (even in WAU) is advanced enough that she and Deborah could have each other's children.... and it is highly unlikely that Brandon banked any sperm...
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Anne wrote: As to whether or not Coyote could actually have done what he said and undone what was done to Brandon? YMMV. I suspect such a move would have cost him quite a bit, and may not have turned out nearly like he told Kayda, after all he was telling the truth as he wanted her to interpret it.
Coyote depends, and gets great amusement from us hearing his words and filling in what WE WANT to hear. Go back and read There's No Place Like Poe Part Five again. Or, for the Teal Deer out there, consider this, the relevant passage from what Coyote is promising Brandon...
Coyote The Trickster wrote: "I place two roads at your feet, Brandon Franks," Coyote replied. "One is an easy path, pleasant, beautiful and full of company and joys. The other is a hard path, fraught with peril, of your mind, of your body, of your very soul, and while there is joy on this path, it is hard-won and there is much blood to be paid for it. The Pict daughter was to be the mother of the Ptesanwi to make it easier for her to at last unite our people's. Red and white becoming brothers because in her blood flowed that of both people. That future is almost gone, but I give you the choice now. You have but to ask and I will undo all the evil that has been done to you. I will restore your manhood, your future, and your wife. Or, forgive she who wronged you, embrace her deceit and try to unite the People's yourself."
Everyone here interprets that to mean Coyote will turn back time, make it so that Brandon wasn't raped and everything will be fine. Keep in mind he is saying this TO BRANDON, not Kayda. By his own words, a fictional Brandon that came to Whateley as himself and he has turned Kayda into this person when he makes this pledge. And he doesn't promise anything of the sort. What evil has been done to Fictional Brandon?
THIS is why Mrs Carson is so hot on why dealing with spirits is Dangerous with a capital D. Even a spirit that cannot lie has its own frame of reference you can't easily know. And your suppositions could be wrong. Could Coyote have kept his promise? Well, the soul that began to call itself Kayda Franks was a man when that promise was offered. So that was already established. The question really is, what was Coyote REALLY offering?
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Pretty sure Valentine's talking about Hartford presenting him as a scratching post for Cyberkitty.Malady wrote:
Valentine wrote: I almost feel sorry for Mr. Walcutt, naaah I don't feel sorry for him at all.
What, the arranged marriage thing?
I really doubt it. First of all, this is America. We do not have forced marriages. It would have been a choice between self determination and his inheritance. It could therefor be argued that he is a kind of gold digger -- he only married Marissa for the sake of money and power. He could have refused; he could have taken his upbringing, contacts, and education, and rebuilt himself without his family's support. Same goes for Marissa. She was in the same boat as Theodore and made the same idiot decision.Malady wrote: I'm wanting to see what he'd be like if he wasn't forced into it, maybe he wouldn't be a big of a jerk. What do we know about him, pre-marriage again??
Secondly, it's just a marriage. It's not like he was subjected to torture. Reaching the point where you have your wife committed, whore out your teenage daughter, and eventually try to hire mercs to kidnap your now-adult daughter for choosing to not remain your tool? That is not the result of an unsatisfying, unwanted marriage. Even if it was bothering him that much, they could have simply gotten a divorce, ended things properly and fairly, and moved on. If something is pushing you to the point of becoming a monster, the responsible thing to do is to exit the situation so that you don't become a monster, even if that means making sacrifices. Instead, he bided his time and then seized on the opportunity presented by her mental illness not only take her assets and eject her from his life, but to deprive her of having a life by locking her away. Rather than treat her as a fellow victim of their own weak wills and their control-freak parents' meddling, or even as a simple obstacle to overcome, he chose instead to treat her as an Enemy.
Besides, even if both he and Marissa wanted the money and power enough to keep the marriage, that doesn't mean they needed to be suffocated by it. We're not exactly living in some Old Testament hellhole where adultery gets you stoned to death. They could have agreed to maintain the legal aspects of their marriage -- tying their fortunes and families together -- while also agreeing to treat it as a business arrangement rather than an exclusive and mandatory sexual relationship. If you've read Sanderson's Wax and Wayne series, think of the approach Sterris took to a political marriage she assumed would be unfulfilling. That is how a good person handles this kind of situation.
Theodore Walcutt is not a good person. Maybe he was, a long time ago, before something broke him. We've seen that kind of thing with Tansy. But an arranged marriage as the critical factor? No. If something other than his own nature made him this way, it was not marrying Marissa Dawson that did it.
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Valentine wrote: I almost feel sorry for Mr. Walcutt, naaah I don't feel sorry for him at all.
What, the arranged marriage thing?
I'm wanting to see what he'd be like if he wasn't forced into it, maybe he wouldn't be a big of a jerk. What do we know about him, pre-marriage again??
Lol at Tansy + Trevor marrying, for political reasons, in AU.
Lol if Mr. Walcutt is a low-level Esper Mutant too. But he got tested, right?
Hmm... The ability to make Gene Engineered Psyhics, might mean there's PSI genes separate from the MGC, and he might have some of those? Those genes create a predisposition towards PSI mutations??
What Cyberkitty and Ms. Hartford are going to do him.
Don't Drick and Drive.
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Well...elrod and EE have been pushing emphasizing quite strongly that Coyote reveres himself as a teacher. And Wakan Tanka does not disagree with him!Anne wrote: Some thoughts on Coyote. First if Coyote tells the truth, he only tells the part of the truth that would lead you to do what he wants you to do. Or in other words he tells the truth only from his perspective.
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The coyote (and thus Coyote) has lived for a long time in close proximity to people, not so close as the dog, but close enough that any coyote might raid the unwary camp for a meal, whether part of the day's catch or a pair of moccasins. It might take to raiding the women and children's trap lines or other mayhem. So its spirit became the trickster, ever near, ever hiding, ever misdirecting your eyes if possible, and ever willing to lead you on a fruitless chase.
As to whether or not Coyote could actually have done what he said and undone what was done to Brandon? YMMV. I suspect such a move would have cost him quite a bit, and may not have turned out nearly like he told Kayda, after all he was telling the truth as he wanted her to interpret it. The same with Danny/Dannica. Which means that Kayda really ought to get over her urge (not that she's apt to) to punish Danny for past wrongs, study deeply the lore about Coyote, and then make a friend of her brother/sister. Yeah she loses some opportunity to get payback for sibling annoyances, but the people you will have in your life the longest (generally) are your siblings, learning to get along with them is a good thing!
He doesn't lie, and is quite proud of it. But he comes off as a jerk to us because in our society, we constantly lie.
"No, that outfit looks great on you!"
"Your presentation went great, they just didn't seem to get what you were trying to convey."
"This offer is risk free! Just pay shipping and handling!"
"Your new tattoo is...interesting."
"New haircut? Very refreshing look for you."
"I'm so busy, I haven't had a chance to look at your email..."
"Your child was an absolute angel today..."
Discerning the truth from humans is so ingrained in our upbringing, It's part of the reason why the whites of our eyes are visible, very unusual compared to other mammals. We evolved to watch each other's eye movements, because that is often a pretty good tell for most of the population.
So, what was Coyote trying to teach Kayda here? My guess? Grow up.
Sure, Kayda is involved in this plot to lure out Hekate's Master, she's officially in a trio with Lanie and Tansy doing super cool secret missions, she's doing interdimensional travel, rescuing trapped souls, healing the possessed and broken, liaison to the BIA, literally saving the world...
...but she's still a teenage girl. She's the chosen shaman/healer of The People, and more than that. She's probably the most important healer/shaman since Charlie Lodgeman and Kodiak (the spirit, not Wyatt).
Her brother (sometimes sister) needs her. Who else could possibly understand Danny's current issues as well as Kayda? Being bullied, being attacked, being stalked, ridiculed, demeaned, turning into a girl, feeling inadequate and worthless and developing a persecution complex. But what has she been doing? Taking pictures. Smirking, laughing, enjoying it. Writing it all off as revenge for when Danny was a brat to her back home. The same brother who stood side-by-side with their father, armed with a rifle to make sure she escaped safely.
Kayda is a healer, she's a mediator, she's a great listener, she's suffered herself. She has provided so much to so many other people, and she ignores the suffering of her own kin.
Coyote was providing her a little perspective.
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The way I interpreted all of that was that he was offering agency. Kayda felt like she'd had no choice. Of the many things she's upset about, the only one she'd had even a scrap of agency in at all was being raped -- she could have stayed home like an intelligent person. Even considering that bit of stupidity, it would be a pretty ugly stretch to say she chose that fate. And the rest? Manifesting, her friends trying to murder her, becoming a girl, being run out of town, and being hunted by demons? All of that was forced upon her.E. E. Nalley wrote: The question really is, what was Coyote REALLY offering?
The choice Coyote offered was never about the potential other course of events that could happen if Kayda chose differently. It was about making Kayda choose at all. Prior to his interference, Kayda could say, "I never asked for this! Fuck off!" Coyote took that away from her. He made her choose, and she chose Kayda and Ptesanwi. Now she's responsible for her situation; no making excuses to get out of her duties. And by choosing this fate and body, she also gained ownership. Her sex is no longer something that was forced on her, but rather something she chose to accept. That's important for her long term mental stability.
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Kettlekorn wrote: It would have been a choice between self determination and his inheritance.
Hmm... I'm not sure that's all at stake. That's just only what we know is at stake, there could be more, and I expect more, from high society manipulators.
Kettlekorn wrote: He could have refused; he could have taken his upbringing, contacts, and education, and rebuilt himself without his family's support. Same goes for Marissa. She was in the same boat as Theodore and made the same idiot decision.
Dunno how he could've refused... We just know he was forced into it, sorta.
"He had not been blindsided this badly since his father had informed him of his engagement to Marissa in college, whether he liked it or not."
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Did we get Marissa's side of the story? I forget.
Kettlekorn wrote: Secondly, it's just a marriage. It's not like he was subjected to torture.
Hm... This is where I really disagree. A marriage is highly political, and all about optics? So if they divorced, it'd be public and affect their public image and stuff??
Maybe he could only go through these multiple marriages because he got enough money by this point to do it? ... Is there anything for, or against, the idea that Mr. Walcutt is not under the control of someone else?
Is Mr. Walcutt's father still alive??
Kettlekorn wrote: Reaching the point where you have your wife committed, whore out your teenage daughter, and eventually try to hire mercs to kidnap your now-adult daughter for choosing to not remain your tool?
Yeah. That's pretty bad.[/quote]
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End point is that I don't think we have the whole story, and I'm trying to be positive and think of Mr. Walcutt as a person who could've been better.
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Valentine wrote: What Cyberkitty and Ms. Hartford are going to do him.
I don't feel sorry about that at all. 'Cause that affects the horrible person Mr. Walcutt was now, not the possibly better person he was / could've been.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: Coyote depends, and gets great amusement from us hearing his words and filling in what WE WANT to hear. Go back and read There's No Place Like Poe Part Five again. Or, for the Teal Deer out there, consider this, the relevant passage from what Coyote is promising Brandon...
Coyote The Trickster wrote: "I place two roads at your feet, Brandon Franks," Coyote replied. "One is an easy path, pleasant, beautiful and full of company and joys. The other is a hard path, fraught with peril, of your mind, of your body, of your very soul, and while there is joy on this path, it is hard-won and there is much blood to be paid for it. The Pict daughter was to be the mother of the Ptesanwi to make it easier for her to at last unite our people's. Red and white becoming brothers because in her blood flowed that of both people. That future is almost gone, but I give you the choice now. You have but to ask and I will undo all the evil that has been done to you. I will restore your manhood, your future, and your wife. Or, forgive she who wronged you, embrace her deceit and try to unite the People's yourself."
Everyone here interprets that to mean Coyote will turn back time, make it so that Brandon wasn't raped and everything will be fine. Keep in mind he is saying this TO BRANDON, not Kayda. By his own words, a fictional Brandon that came to Whateley as himself and he has turned Kayda into this person when he makes this pledge. And he doesn't promise anything of the sort. What evil has been done to Fictional Brandon?
THIS is why Mrs Carson is so hot on why dealing with spirits is Dangerous with a capital D. Even a spirit that cannot lie has its own frame of reference you can't easily know. And your suppositions could be wrong. Could Coyote have kept his promise? Well, the soul that began to call itself Kayda Franks was a man when that promise was offered. So that was already established. The question really is, what was Coyote REALLY offering?
Now that you bring it back up...it is exceptionally ambiguous which path is which, the way Coyote phrases it.
Which is worse, suffering yourself, or witnessing your child go through it? The Bastard comes when the Bastard comes, regardless of who is the Ptesanwi.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: Everyone here interprets that to mean Coyote will turn back time, make it so that Brandon wasn't raped and everything will be fine.
Not exactly "everything will be fine". The only evil mentioned was Wakan Tanka chosing to use Brandon as an early conduit for Ptesanwi's return. Just because Kayda wasn't there to be beaten and raped, that doesn't mean that Brandon doesn't get beaten and his girlfriend raped. Because the events that happened and had consequences by or for others would still happen, just maybe to other people.
E. E. Nalley wrote: The question really is, what was Coyote REALLY offering?
Nothing, and everything. The show must go on - and will - with or without anyone's consent. It's just that Union negotiations are easier if Management gets the signatures in advance.
E. E. Nalley wrote: THIS is why Mrs Carson is so hot on why dealing with spirits is Dangerous with a capital D.
We've also seen her making the same mistake of dealing with her personal narrative of what Coyote is instead of Coyote as-is. At some point I would expect to see her hand get slapped.
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There is some discussion to be had about Kayda. One thing I hope to see soon is the fallout from her apology to Danny/Danica in this arc. That was elided over quite a bit as these were really just vignettes while we looked in on various actors. But there are seeds for several stories here. For example, I don't know if anyone will tell it but what will the fallout be of Tansy knowing her grandmother has Alzheimer's? What will she do? Who will she contact?
Sure everyone focused on the 'squirrel' or should I say the were panther who got a new ball of yarn to play with at the end, but there really is quite a bit of meat in other places than just Coyote slapping Kayda's hands because she is picking at her sibling.
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I'm thinking that Theo's version of "being pressured into an arranged marriage" may be overstating the facts a bit. More likely scenario: families knew each other for a while, everybody thought Theo and Marissa were "perfect for each other" and kept giving not-so-subtle hints. They ended up dating for a while, Marissa entertaining the idea of it evolving into marriage, Theo only interested in having fun with her. But then she got pregnant... (hey, contraceptives are NOT perfect) and the family pressure to "make it right" came like a ton of bricks.
Main reasons why I consider Theo's version unlikely are:
- Arranged marriages? In America, mid-to-late eighties? Really?
- How much could be riding on that marriage in order for Grandad Walcutt to feel the need to apply pressure? This is not the Middle Ages, business deals and alliances are made in the board room, not at the wedding chapel.
- Kicking Theo out would be writing off all the investment made on him, and also cause a minor scandal. Not something to be done unless there was something more serious than "kid doesn't want to settle down." A pregnancy might be enough of a minor scandal to make Grandpa Walcutt to see red, however.
- The Dawsons seem too nice to have forced Marissa into it.
- Marissa does not seem to blame her parents for the marriage -- apparently, she went into it willingly, without noticing Theo's character faults.
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I think the answer to this one has been staged and foreshadowed very clearly by this story. Solon-5 trials has been mentioned as a possible solution by her grandfather, Tansy and Jadis are friends again and Tansy has poured her heart out to her about her recent troubles regarding her grandmother, and we know who makes Solon-5....Anne wrote: That was elided over quite a bit as these were really just vignettes while we looked in on various actors. But there are seeds for several stories here. For example, I don't know if anyone will tell it but what will the fallout be of Tansy knowing her grandmother has Alzheimer's? What will she do? Who will she contact?
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The trials involve Solon-4, not Solon-5. So far Solon-5 has only been mentioned in Gen-2.Katssun wrote:
I think the answer to this one has been staged and foreshadowed very clearly by this story. Solon-5 trials has been mentioned as a possible solution by her grandfather, Tansy and Jadis are friends again and Tansy has poured her heart out to her about her recent troubles regarding her grandmother, and we know who makes Solon-5....Anne wrote: That was elided over quite a bit as these were really just vignettes while we looked in on various actors. But there are seeds for several stories here. For example, I don't know if anyone will tell it but what will the fallout be of Tansy knowing her grandmother has Alzheimer's? What will she do? Who will she contact?
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I think Coyote merely prefers not to lie, deceptions are more fun that wayMalady wrote: Coyote might actually be tied to some Universal Truthteller Ability, so he literally can't lie.
And the sacrifices he made to get there and be the person that can always be trusted, was really tough and he can't stand someone sullying his sacrifices by calling him a liar.
And possibly can only tell the truth when speaking to others, so he can't figure out anything when working alone...
And the Petsawni should know all this, but doesn't, which makes him even more angry at how *stupid* or *ignorant* she is.
Oh, and his offers to change the universe might require him to sacrifice himself or something, so that's a Really Big Offer. You Don't Even Know.
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Besides you already got the 364/5 other days to go, so don't sweat it too much.Liz looked at her daughter sidelong. “You know, Shelly, Parent's day is for you too.”
The grin on Shelly's face widened. “Mom, seriously, what can I show you that you don't know about this school? You're busy, it's cool...”
Yankees barbarians.Mrs Carson's dismay was apocalyptic. “Hot chocolate without marshmallows?” she demanded. “That's...un-American!” The two women shared a giggle and headed back towards the offices on the second floor. “You know, you never told me how your summer was with your father?”
Barbarians. Do this to some poor innocent cocoa.“About what?” Elizabeth asked as she led the way into her office. Shelly settled onto the couch with her mother next to her and had a little battle as her mother poured out the hot beverage. Her Mom's hot chocolate had always been made from unsweetened raw Coco Powder, adding her own sugar, vanilla extract and used hot milk instead of water. She had given the recipe to the kitchen staff and it was now the way it was made for the entire school to rave reviews. Shelly took a sip and let the warmth of the rich taste remind her of things her new peers had never experienced, Saturday morning cartoons, boy bands and the oh so traditional family Christmas' her mother had insisted on.
Dunno why, but I'm getting the wild impression we're missing a lot by not having this guy in the story... How hard is resurrection here?“Hugh was the most stubborn man I have ever met,” Liz told her with a smile. “That's how we met. I was at this little bar down in Berlin and he was delivering a batch of his cider when our eyes met and he walked away from the owner, mid-sentence, strolled right up to me and declared, 'You're going to be my wife! You want to fight it or just come with me over to the Justice of the Peace now? I'm Hugh Wells by the way,' and he actually stuck out his hand to be shook!” Liz shook her head. “In all my years of being in the super hero business I have never met an ego to match Hugh Wells.”
Is there anything law won't conquer and categorize someday?Legalities about dimensional snatching
I remember a Dresden Files short story where the monster specifically needed a virgin. Dresden assumed it would be harder to find today. Cue his partner of the moment saying people have always been the same... Except they're much more numerous today.Liz sighed. “Shelly, the government was never really in the bedroom in the first place. Take it from me, laws don't stop human behavior, they merely define what is beyond the pale. Men and women have been...enjoying each other's company outside of wedlock for a while now. Look up the Romans some time if you want your eyes opened. While the laws criminalizing homosexual relations did need to be repealed, the people pushing the so-called 'sexual revolution' didn't want equality, or justice, they wanted sex without consequences. Now we have little boys, playing at being men, who want to use us, but not take responsibility for their actions. That isn't love, my darling, and it certainly isn't an improvement.”
Dawwww.Shelly squirmed in her seat. “Well, I guess I see your point, mom. I wish I could have known him.”
Liz looked away, her mind's eye in at her memory. “So do I, Shelly. So do I.”
Naaah, it will just be a Drama overload, leading to probable troubles and fighting with monsters or something. Nothing too serious.“Won't the Nalley's be crowded with Marty going down too?” Marissa asked as the car arrived and they entered it.
Do not expet this house intact by the end of the day. Just a hunch.“My granddaughter tells me your daughter saved her life, and from what little I know, I do know that is not hyperbole,” Daniel replied gravely. “You all have a logistics issue, I have an embarrassingly large bank account and a somewhat empty house. My wife and I would be honored if you would allow us the pleasure of hosting all of you for Thanksgiving at our home in Boston.”
And given all the other people who will be around... Oops.Stephen was not amused. “That too. He also said, “An adventure is reading about unpleasant things happening to other people.”
Kayda is happy. Cue–Her parents would be here soon. She smiled as she thought of seeing her mother and father again, and how different the start of this school year was to last year. Her hopes and dreams were so very different now than they had been. More importantly, she no longer felt like she didn't fit in, or insecure about her friends. That had been a huge accomplishment, with lots of help from Tansy and Lanie.
At least me finish my phrase, degenrate wanker. Calm down, Hardric, you had two rants about the guy, you can do it.“Life has a tendency to change our dreams,” an all too familiar voice purred behind her, sending chills down her spine. Kayda stood and turned, seeing Coyote sitting on the floor between her bed and Chou's, tail curled primly around his paws like a cat, muzzle partly open in a canine grin. “Well met, Ptesanwi.”
Remember the rants, not exploding... Om mani padme hm... Not howling about the blatant hypocrisy of the wanker...The spirit's dark eyes narrowed. “Does the Ptesanwi wish to play word games with us?” he demanded. “Why, I am hardly worthy to count coup with the chosen of Wakan Tanka! Or, should I say that the other way around?”
That one is piss easy. You didn't let her the time to try, because you needed an extra shot of sick fun, Lord of Hypocrisy, neither did you let her try to piece the truth together alone either... Eh, I thought you favor– Oh right, Lord of Fucking Hypocrisy.The spirit blinked and cocked his head to one side. “A better question is why didn't you tell him,”
You lie constantly, hypocrite wanker and master of passive aggressive funk. I'm never drinking that fucking Kool-Aid.The room grew dark and thunder rolled in the distance. “I do not lie, Ptesanwi,”
The moment I couldn't contain first rant anymore. Because everyone has to suck up Wile E Coyote maggots rotten balls up in the ned, because he"'s always perfect and Always Right... What the fuck people see about this thing, is constant assholery married with total hypocrisy and absolute immunity and Plot Device Status making it so endearing for them exactly?“You...you're right. I am sorry for my words spoken in haste and anger. I ask your forgiveness, Coyote.”
The spirit stepped forward, his breath hot and foul of carrion and rotting meat. “Know this, Ptesanwi, Kigatilik, Eater of Shamans, Warrior of the Claw People stalks your spoor. I, great liar that I am, helped your Cuwe and the Princess destroy his astral form, but he had manifested once more his physical form. Or were you and your wise teachers unaware that the freak snowstorm was a consequence of him pushing part of himself back into the physical world?" Kayda started at that new information; she'd have to relay that to Mrs. Carson and the magic arts staff.
...Fuck it, the hate isn't going away.
1) You already said that to Carson, wanker, so piss off with the lies. And I want to believe you didn't overtake the plot so much they're still allowed to be skilled and do their fucking job without you micromanaging everything.
2) Wait a second, no discreet warning to mystic students about signaling Fishy Things when there are chances of them being first targets of Kigabidule? Fuck, at least try to prove me Coyote isn't the black hole swallowing plot and competence here. Especially when Kayda has this 'First Fucking Likely Target' neon panel over her head. And where the fuck is Lodgeman? I swear, if calling up the corpse-fucker wanker was his idea, my respect for him will be plummeting harder and faster than the one I had for Englund before/after Halloween, and he wasn't exactly someone I was worshipping back then...
3) I notice you only consent to dole over this warning in the most condescending and assholish way after the person you're fucking with has duely sucked up your rotten balls and once again established you're Perfect and Always Right. Why the fuck are we exactly supposed to thing it endearing already?
And any emotional value this scene should have had was utterly destroyed because it was all a Coyote Interrupt, and no proper character development to be proud of... And people applaud this... I just don't understand...“I...uh...had it brought to my attention that some of the decisions I made, well...I guess they had some splash damage on you. And I'm sorry for any part I had in it.”
“Huh?”
Kayda sighed and sank onto her bed, pulling her sister down with her. “Sit down. This will take a while.”
Irony, how cruel can you be sometimes...Like thinking about how Erik died. Tansy couldn’t help feel the thought pass as they got close to Hawthorne just as one of the Outcasts, the tall, cobalt-tattoed amazon that ran with the Hooligans was leaving.
“I honestly don’t mind tagging along. Angelina’s a sweetheart, and she could use a big sis if nothing else.”
“I think you’ll do well.”
Tansy saw, and Natalie did not, the agonized, thunderstruck expression on Caitlin’s face as they walked past her into Hawthorne. It was not an expression that the rager girl was known for and, for a brief instant, tansy felt real pain, and saw the tears forming before the tattooed girl snarled silently and stalked towards Arena 99.
Really cruel.
Yea, Elaine, the way the guy behaved so far, you're being gifted a priceless treasure here... Yup, quite a big deal here.“No, hear me out, little lady, this is hard enough,”
Yeah, expect the Piranha treatment there...“Not to worry, Theo, I'm already texting my secretary to get one of the family law junior partners your contact information. Even with your assets frozen we have set up sufficient shell management corporations that you won't be inconvenienced. Is she out for blood, or would she consider a settlement?”
“We put her in a mental hospital for ten years,” Walcutt replied drolly.
Barf. Also, what's up with villains in this 'verse? Because the level of delusion they all share about life, their fauilures and plans is getting pretty big...“I want the bitch on her knees in front of me,” Walcutt replied. “Right where she belongs. I've invested too much time with Tansy to lose her now. I want them both under my thumb, Seigel. Make it happen and there is a very healthy bonus in it for you.”
Not half the pro golddigger desribed. Hit abort, now.Amy presented him with the drink she had made, her face in a pout. “But, Teddy, baby, what about me?”
... Could be worst on several levels.Catherine sighed and gestured to an empty table they both settled at. “Wyatt, you're not blind,” she declared softly, looking him squarely in the eye. “You must know your father and I haven't really been a married couple for years. We stayed together for you to finish school, which you would have last spring, were it not for this new wrinkle.” She clasped her hands in front of her and shook her head. “I have had enough of your father's alcoholism, living in the most desolate town on planet Earth, his...” She sighed. “Baby, I love you, and I am so proud of the man you have grown up to become. Nothing will change that.”
Good luck with that. I was older, and had a few years, still not reaching any big conclusions here... Unless Bedisde Rug has some 'wisdom' to lord over here by chance?Wyatt Cody frowned and started to think.
Jeez, treating employees well get side benefits. Heavens to murgatroyd, what a complete and utter surprise.Unlike her father, Miss Walcutt was content to hire professionals and allow them to be experts; she had a well visualized goal and then took a very hands off approach to allow him and his people to achieve that goal. She was also young, and the possibility of repeat business from her was certainly greater than the same odds from Mr. Walcutt.
How efficient is contraception for Examplars again? Because I'm seeing many, many nephews and nieces in Elaine, Tansy, and Wyatt's future...Marty's little discussion with friends...
Pretty sure I just heard a Law of the Universe break just now.Jadis arched an eyebrow at her friend. “Ms Hartford?” she demanded. “The Assistant Headmistress introduced you, an under aged teenage girl, to a wine?” Tansy made a dismissive gesture.
Wow, guess the friendship is going really well for mentionning this sort of things...The Super villian's daughter laughed and shook her head. “My own so-called Romantic Life is enough of a shambles, I'm not walking into that minefield! I do have to say I'm surprised, Tans, especially after the way you carried on about...”
Aim for the throat, Tansy... Menttion Nightdork.She took a sip and made a dismissive gesture. “Fine, fine, yes, he's not a brick, but...just...no, alright?”
Score another one for the Diabolik Way of treating minions. Not that it needs another point to demonstrate its superiority.“Arthur Lewis, ma'am,” the veteran, for she could be nothing else, replied. “He told me to inform you that your father attempted to contract us to abduct you and return you to his residence in New York. Also that Mr Lewis is specifically declining that contract, and future work with Mr Walcutt and, if you and your friend, will keep this meeting discrete and my cover intact, that I am to continue to keep an eye on you for your own protection. In addition to warn you that as we have declined to accept this contract, it is likely your father will pursue other means of accomplishing this.”
... How do you want your dad prepared? Steak, roasted, grilled, carpacchio... ?“Ms. Hartford? Sorry to bother you at this hour. I have some news you need to be aware of.”
Take notes Kitty, you're introduece to the true core purpose of hacking there....Amelia nodded. “That's right. Many times a client will want someone to suffer, but leave the details completely up to you. Its important that you establish yourself as someone not only competent, but with a suitable sense of style that will enhance your reputation. Both as a dependable operator, but also someone with a flare for the dramatic who can accomplish your client's goals with the suitable...eh...Joie de vivre that the client is completely satisfied.”
Hey, leave some juicy bits to Marissa people... Man is that total overkill for– Oh right, Rule Zero of Dresdenverse: Overkill doesn't exist. Also, Yay or Cyberkitty. A sign of her being the Blue Ghost of Evil Genius?“We're going to study a recent example of such a feat and then we'll conduct a practical exercise.” Paige picked up the folder and opened it, reading over the pictures there. “So, have you ever heard of James Melville Hooper?” Paige shook her head. “He was recently ruined in a tried, but ever popular manner, child pornography. We're going to examine this hack, what could have been done differently and then we'll move on to our project for the remainder of the semester.”
Donner turned the photograph and read the caption underneath it. “Theodore Darryl Walcutt?” She asked, mildly curious. “Any relation to Tansy?”
“Her father,” Ms Hartford replied. “You're going to destroy him.”
A smile spread across Paige's face. “Cool...”
Happy to have this one done. Though I'd like to be happier about it...
...Fuck Wile E Coyote, he just has to ruin enjoyment of the stories for me. Seriously, this guy is the hellish fusion of everything I hate about a character, total assholery, blatant hypocrisy, deviousness beyond the pale, the empathy of a shark having smelled blood, a sense of absolute and total superiority about everything and sadist pleasure about indulging it, the nerve of claiming a moral high ground when mass murderers should be rightfully calling out its bullshit, if not for a perfect Karma Houdini Warranty, Obvious Total Plot Backing, regarding humans as fucktoys to play with... Why people here keep worshipping this wanker? Please tell me, because I need to understand what exactly is supposed ot be interesting at any point about that fucker. Besides the moment his smugness is stripped away and he end up getting gruesomely slaughtered.
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Hardric wrote: How hard is resurrection here?
It's right up there with efficient and foolproof time travel.
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You know what the genie said in Aladdin? Very ugly!!null0trooper wrote:
Hardric wrote: How hard is resurrection here?
It's right up there with efficient and foolproof time travel.
Yeah Coyote likes to make the story revolve around himself. When he warns you of something, you're beyond the pale. Oh and yeah the White Buffalo Calf Woman is going to be his favorite chew toy.
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And if Peacock or Downpour or Mrs. Horton had been the one to tell her she was out of line? Would you still claim no character development happened?Hardric wrote: And any emotional value this scene should have had was utterly destroyed because it was all a Coyote Interrupt, and no proper character development to be proud of... And people applaud this... I just don't understand...
I think that your perception of how people feel about Coyote is being distorted by your hate.Hardric wrote: Why people here keep worshipping this wanker?
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I think that at least one other person mentioned to Kayda that she was not being a mentor to Danny. I don't recall whom though. Still because he can sort of see from further outside and may (probably does) have his own agenda for both of them Coyote is going to be interfering with their lives.Kettlekorn wrote:
And if Peacock or Downpour or Mrs. Horton had been the one to tell her she was out of line? Would you still claim no character development happened?Hardric wrote: And any emotional value this scene should have had was utterly destroyed because it was all a Coyote Interrupt, and no proper character development to be proud of... And people applaud this... I just don't understand...
I think that your perception of how people feel about Coyote is being distorted by your hate.Hardric wrote: Why people here keep worshipping this wanker?
He probably still is lazy, horny, etc et al. but don't let that distract from the fact that he too has a place in the war against the Bastard and that in the end he does not want the Bastard to win, if for no other reason than a win by the Bastard would deprive him of his favorite chew toys.
It is just up to us to make sure we don't attract his attention and that once we have his attention to make sure he doesn't lead us on fruitless chases for his own entertainment.
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Kettlekorn wrote: I think that your perception of how people feel about Coyote is being distorted by your hate.
Pretty sure that's true. So, once more, with sanity, no swearing, and minimal hatred for... Coyote, my one problem with the story here: The scene leading up to Kayda and Danny patching up.
It was necessary, and going by all variations of 'about time' present here, not really late at all. That said, this scene is a narrative failure for me for two reasons:
1°) Kayda's character development here is like switch being flipped open/close at convenience rather than an actual realization of how nasty her behavior was: Alright, Elrod's world of troubles in Real Life cannot have helped in any way here, but there is no way around the fact Kayda remained utterly static in her treatment of Danny during the two monthes. And frankly, I feel like it cheapens and lessen her character, giving us a nasty little harpy gleefully watching her brother suffer emotional abuse 'round the clock with a smile. It was time something happened, but the whole lot of nothing between the two is frankly jarring:
No reaction when the abuse led to a meltdown back at Poe? No subconscient comparation to her own problems and how much she would feel if all males of the school stalked her like this, arguing 'she enjoys it', or thinking about the scars raping left her with, and realizing how similar the issues are? Not even once? The degree of vapidness, selfishness and nastiness involved is staggering in my mind. And that's even worst when Nalley tells us she didn't really react after the outing of Evil That Men Do. You won't have me believe that 'Brandon' getting out for the rest of the school isn't a fear Kayda is playing with some nights before sleeping. So seriously, even with this nothing happened before this conversation in this room? She failed that much at basic empathy with her own brother?
That's... Incredibily degrading for her as a character, and for... Let's keep that part for 2°). And it get all fixed in one conversation here, like a switch flipped open? And se literaly acknowledges she didn't give a real duck about it, or thought about it before? Honestly, I can't see this as good character development in any way. And it especially hurts that this is about kayda, because she's a favorite character fro me, and last thing I want is to think "Trouble X or Y is happening to kayda? Whatever, it will run the exact same way until the writers tire of it or Plt needs to advance, and then they'll flip the switch to go forward". Heck, the idea of this happening to any character is sick. But let's go with 'One Conversation To Fix It' as the only possible way forward here...
2°) Was ...Coyote really the only one option for getting the message through? Did it have to be the Plot Device. Because beyond the... forceful opinion about him I have I see ...Coyote as nothing else as a Plot Device: Old beyond counting of time, pretty much unchanging, ultra powerful, outsider, and omniscient morality licence. And every time it puts its paws on the plot, it... cheapens it for me:
-Revelation about Ptesanwi: Heck, it even lowers its own value in this story. The only way the Great Trickster could break this one out was with all this heavy-handed, blatant posturing, and being so bombastic even Kodiak could have called foul, rather than letting hints to piece together to just spring in when Kayda lash out after learning the truth? Great job at subtlety. And 'pressed for time'? You mean he was so blind-sided not only he had to ditch subtlety but had to go for a force-feeding of the most extreme hypocrisy? Cheap.
-Evil That Men Do and Kigabidule: Kayda and Wyatt should have died, that's what I get from the story. Everything which has been meaningful for their eventual survival was done by ...Coyote, or it micro-managed it so hard it's just the same. Making all the rest of the cast and the staff look utterly incompetent and powerless, something esecially jarring between the ease of dispatching him during this Round 2, and the way Round 1 went with the Outcasts and Lodgeman. The people at Whateley the characters the story is about, and they could just as well been furnitures for all the good they did. Again, last thing I want is to think "X is happening? Whatever, they flail uselessly one episode or two, thenthe Plot Device will fix it all for them." when I read a story.
-This dang conversation: I already told why I think this scene hurts Kayda's character, and frankly, the fact it had to go for the bombastic intruding is hurting... Coyote too. And the fact again, he couldn't get the message across more subtly or sooner. But other characters are frankly hurt by this mess: Kayda's friends.
Yeah, Lanie, who has a brother, had to deal with shenanigans and ad to know about the way Danny fared thanks to Rosalyn, and Tansy, who has experience about laughing from others' pain and has been pretty much the only person on Danny's side from Day One. You want me to believe none of them did anything about the way Kayda behaved? No "Hey, my brother can be a pain too, but I think the joke has run for long enough, don't you think?", no "Careful there, Kayda. Your brother is going through a world of pain, and the way you reacts to it... It reminds me about Old Me, if you catch my drift..."? Heck, Rosalyn couldn't say anything to Kayda either? And after the meltdown from the outing, absolutely no one ever went to Kayda and said "Look, siblings teasing is good fun and all, but your brother has pierced rock-bottom now. I really think you should talk about it with him."? Not even Danny going at her and rightfully calling her out at all, for that matter?
Just how much of a disservice it is for all these characters are so passive than none of them took any action in the month and half before the Giga-Blizzard, and none of them even raised an eyebrow in the two weeks after when Kayda seemingly ignored this? An awful lot for me, only compounded by the fact in the end of the day, it wasn't any of the characters of the story who tried to fix this mess, but ...The Plot Device. None of them was allowed to grow and make their own story happen alone, and it hurts for me.
TL, DR? If two good flavors taste great together, two bad flavors (Instant Character Development, Just Press Button and Why Have Characters Do It When The Plot Device Can Hog It?) taste horrible together.
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Now that doesn't mean that Kayda is without fault. It also doesn't mean that Kayda, from whom we have very little of late except her in the Teepee with Kodiak which is a very narrow bit of her life, has not been getting the talk from others about treating Danny better. After all she and Kodiak are far more interested in their immediate survival than talking about other problems that have been pushed to the back of their minds. What seems to have happened, and to have drawn Coyote's attention is that the spirit for whom she is an avatar saw the opportunity to jump in the game early.
According to Coyote, this was a violation of said spirit's 'rules', this apparently (though we don't know how Coyote may be slanting his take on the truth) opened up the ability of the snake-demon to manifest. It probably woke up other things like Kittylicksitsbutt. So here is Kayda, 'I'm so persecuted,' then she sees Danny in a situation that she knows is embarrassing to him and what does she do? Laughs at him, takes pictures of him etc et al. Which essentially presents her to Coyote for everything except getting humped. And hey if you can break her whole I'm terrified of men by sticking her in with Kodiak for a supernatural snow storm why not make sure that happens.
Remember what I said about her having good luck and that about to run out? Kittylicksitsbutt is on his third swing at her. She has as yet failed to do much damage to the monster. Her only help so far has been Coyote. We also don't see what her spirits were doing to help her. It may be that because she is a shaman and her spirit is basically a shaman that Kittylicksitsbutt is able to block their connection, since it was created by the bastard to hunt and kill shamans. We simply don't know.
We have seen that Kittylicksitbutt is a very powerful being. Nothing done to it to date, other than Coyote setting up Lanie and Tansy to kill it in the astral has harmed it much, and even that didn't do it enough harm that it can't recover, if no one is hunting it, which they may be but we aren't seeing. So Coyote is poking at Kayda to get back on the trail. She's lucky he isn't humping her leg and trying to distract her that way. Things must be very serious indeed.
Kayda has been being pushed by HM toward black magic. Well that and all of her combat classes demanding that she find some offensive spells. Part of the problem is that Kayda who should be a medic is somehow always on the front line. That makes it hard for her to do her best work which is as a medic so to speak. It isn't even as if she is going forward to rescue other people. No there are parts of the other 'army' that specifically are hunting her or those like her. She has been able to meet those hunting her and defeat them. Most of them are dead. But there obviously must have been more than one type of shaman hunter, simply because in the end the bastard also believes in overkill or pass me more ammunition so I can send more souls to hell.
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