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Question Imp 7

6 years 9 months ago #1 by Anne
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  • And there is a new Imp story to discuss... First question
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    So beyond that which really is the last point of the chapter, what else do we see?
    Agies is really starting to maybe, maybe just get the whole hero bit. Still wants to rush in with 'guns blazing' without regard to the safety of any bystanders and property damage. Hopefully he does get more thoughtful. But if he keeps trying to fight outside of his weight class, I expect that he will be just another plaque in the remembrance garden.
    Lock picking class.... Man why couldn't real high schools have interesting classes like that?
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  • Hmm... Brandywine's reaction to Superhawk saying that Imp helped rescue Melissa is unsaid, but likely interesting...

    Need to look up three-card monty. Was thinking that the IRS would be involved in the hostage rescue, but no?

    Easiest way to get the kids out is just to buy them?
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  • Malady wrote: Hmm... Brandywine's reaction to Superhawk saying that Imp helped rescue Melissa is unsaid, but likely interesting...

    Need to look up three-card monty. Was thinking that the IRS would be involved in the hostage rescue, but no?

    Easiest way to get the kids out is just to buy them?

    The easiest way to get the kids out might be to buy them but then we wouldn't get to see Imp interact with Mr Wasn't Fuzzy... Or should I call him Whimpering Fussy?
    I can just imagine the 'discussion' between Superhawk and Brandywine some time in the future... "YOU'RE DATING THE IMP!!!!!!?"
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  • Three Card Monte is described at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte . It is a confidence game where the victim is told that he can make a lot of money if he keep his eye on a key card (often queen or ace) while they get moved around. As Wikipedia says, the shell game with cards instead of shells with a pea under one of them. She is going to trick them in her classic Imp-ish style, perhaps even getting the Imp Revenge Squad to battle the kidnappers.
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  • I doubt IRS is part of her plans, more likely it's confusing security until he can't pay attention to the hostages

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    6 years 9 months ago #6 by mhalpern
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  • You know i have to suspect that Imp's payment for the job isn't monetary, especially as it was specifically negotiated with Ryan, perhaps he has to introduce his new girlfriend to his sister...

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    6 years 9 months ago #7 by mhalpern
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  • Just a random question, are these Northrops by chance related to the defense contractor Northrop Grumman?

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  • My theory on Barney... Even if he knew of the IRS, he wouldn't be likely to make the first contact unless he also knew not only of their goal but at least some of the members. Now, if his previous associate contacts him? I can see him feeding info. I can also envision Barney ending up as persona non grata at Whateley if he does so and gets caught. Which I feel would likely result in the history department achieving a higher level of quality.
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  • MM2ss wrote: My theory on Barney... Even if he knew of the IRS, he wouldn't be likely to make the first contact unless he also knew not only of their goal but at least some of the members. Now, if his previous associate contacts him? I can see him feeding info. I can also envision Barney ending up as persona non grata at Whateley if he does so and gets caught. Which I feel would likely result in the history department achieving a higher level of quality.


    Of course we know his replacement will most likely only last a couple years, at this point, the Gen2 teacher is still an active hero, and he might remain so, until after July of 2011...

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    6 years 9 months ago #10 by Sir Lee
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  • About Barney: he certainly is dancing as close to the line as he can, but he does not want to get in Carson's bad side any more than he already is. So I think all he will do is to very discreetly pass information on Imp's goings.
    The problem with that, of course, is that Imp does not tell him when she's going to be out or where she's going, and very few people are aware of Imp's little trick with the magic necklace, so they are going to have a hard time laying an ambush for her.
    Which is bound to make them a bit too impatient, and take bigger risks... until someone [í]does[/i] notice them, or Barney.
    At that point, it becomes a cartoon. No, not a Wile E Coyote one; the Roadrunner never does anything actively to entrap the Coyote. More like a Tom & Jerry one, where Jerry sabotages Tom's elaborate trap so it turns back on him.

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    6 years 9 months ago #11 by Ametros
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  • I agree that Imp probably won't ask for payment in money. She seems comfortable with what she has, and she's never been about accruing vast amounts of lucre. So there's an excellent chance she'll be taking payment in the form of a favour to let her get a good reaction out of somebody, or possibly in the form of commissioned goods like holdouts.

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  • Ametros wrote: I agree that Imp probably won't ask for payment in money. She seems comfortable with what she has, and she's never been about accruing vast amounts of lucre. So there's an excellent chance she'll be taking payment in the form of a favour to let her get a good reaction out of somebody, or possibly in the form of commissioned goods like holdouts.


    She has plenty of sources for holdouts if needed in her students, and lets face it, who knows what she would give to see Ryan's sister's reaction to learning not only is her brother dating again, but the lady that stole his heart is the Imp...

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  • I disagree with everyone, Imp is most likely to be paid in cash.

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    Barney won't be able to pass up the chance for his revenge on Imp. Mrs. Carson will obviously fire him, and he may even end up in jail on conspiracy charges.

    I really wanted to see the IRS walk down the streets of Dunwich, and get trashed by some random Freshmen.

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  • Valentine wrote: I really wanted to see the IRS walk down the streets of Dunwich, and get trashed by some random Freshmen.


    There's still time for them to run afoul of the locals. IIRC, the Dunwich area hasn't been completely cleaned up.

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  • you know, I hope Imp recovers Fiddleback's books, at the end of the day, he's a supplier, if he goes down, his clients will find other suppliers

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  • Dreamer, the "double secret probation" quote comes from National Lampoon's Animal House. You know, the frat movie with John Belushi.

    And about the IRS... they have shown that they aren't complete idiots. Assholes, yes. Psychopaths, yes. Lacking any semblance of a sense of humor, yes. Dumb enough not to let enough alone after having their asses handed to them the last time, yes. But not complete idiots. At least they bothered to research Whateley before stumbling in.

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    “Up and at em, Adamant,” I responded cheerfully.

    Nice Atom Ant reference.


    Too bad there were no Adam Ant references to be made, even though Christine's old enough to have heard a track or two.

    Come to think of it, " Stand and deliver! " probably wouldn't have gone down very well.

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  • Valentine wrote: I disagree with everyone, Imp is most likely to be paid in cash.

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    Barney won't be able to pass up the chance for his revenge on Imp. Mrs. Carson will obviously fire him, and he may even end up in jail on conspiracy charges.

    I really wanted to see the IRS walk down the streets of Dunwich, and get trashed by some random Freshmen.


    To easy on them. Have them pick a fight while walking her trained attack raptor.
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  • Just let Razor borrow some of Jericho's clothing, then no-one will notice hes a raptor

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    6 years 9 months ago - 6 years 9 months ago #22 by Schol-R-LEA
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  • Valentine wrote: Barney won't be able to pass up the chance for his revenge on Imp. Mrs. Carson will obviously fire him, and he may even end up in jail on conspiracy charges.


    I think you underestimate him; asshole he may be, he also thinks he's a hero, and he seems to have some Lawful Stupid leanings, though not to the exclusion of a certain underhandedness. My guess is that he'll politely agree to help the IRS, then once he's away from them, turn everything he's learned about them over to Carson, arguing that it is proof that Imp's presence on campus is threat to the school.

    This would, in his estimation, allow him to get her removed from the Whateley campus protection (effectively handing her over to them - or so he thinks) while keeping his own hands clean. I doubt that Carson would see it that way, however - and if he expects that Carson wouldn't move against them, regardless of whether Imp leaves the school or not, he isn't as clever as he thinks he is.

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  • Schol-R-LEA wrote:

    Valentine wrote: Barney won't be able to pass up the chance for his revenge on Imp. Mrs. Carson will obviously fire him, and he may even end up in jail on conspiracy charges.


    I think you underestimate him; asshole he may be, he also thinks he's a hero, and he seems to have some Lawful Stupid leanings, though not to the exclusion of a certain underhandedness. My guess is that he'll politely agree to help the IRS, then once he's away from them, turn everything he's learned about them over to Carson, arguing that it is proof that Imp's presence on campus is threat to the school.

    This would, in his estimation, allow him to get her removed from the Whateley campus protection (effectively handing her over to them - or so he thinks) while keeping his own hands clean. I doubt that Carson would see it that way, however - and if he expects that Carson wouldn't move against them, regardless of whether Imp leaves the school or not, he isn't as clever as he thinks he is.


    From what I've gathered, he's the type who thinks being a hero is a license to beat up villains. If he was as you describe, he would accept well evidenced arguments to his "all American" world view as that would demonstrate the ability to listen to reason

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  • Schol-R-LEA wrote:

    Valentine wrote: Barney won't be able to pass up the chance for his revenge on Imp. Mrs. Carson will obviously fire him, and he may even end up in jail on conspiracy charges.


    I think you underestimate him; asshole he may be, he also thinks he's a hero, and he seems to have some Lawful Stupid leanings, though not to the exclusion of a certain underhandedness. My guess is that he'll politely agree to help the IRS, then once he's away from them, turn everything he's learned about them over to Carson, arguing that it is proof that Imp's presence on campus is threat to the school.

    This would, in his estimation, allow him to get her removed from the Whateley campus protection (effectively handing her over to them - or so he thinks) while keeping his own hands clean. I doubt that Carson would see it that way, however - and if he expects that Carson wouldn't move against them, regardless of whether Imp leaves the school or not, he isn't as clever as he thinks he is.


    The problem with that is that they are NOT attacking Imp at school. They are waiting until she leaves campus. Plus there are already other former criminals on campus that have problems off campus. For example Ms. Dennon has a history in Boston and can't really go there.

    Kayda's presence is a bigger threat to the school. She's led several antagonistic demonic beings to the school or at least the area. Her presence at the school, has led to the death or disappearance of multiple students. I'm not blaming Kayda, she didn't do anything to cause the losses.

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  • Who do you think is going to approach Barney? His "old friend" the Crimson Kid, another "hero" who got a "bad rap" due to in no small part the meddling of Imp. And he's with the former Jack Rabbit, another "hero" who had his reputation "besmirched" by the Imp, and Heaven, an obviously nice girl (look at her! She's blonde! And she has a nice-sounding codename!) who had her family disgraced due to something the Imp did. And all they are asking for is for a heads-up of when that villainess leaves campus, so they can catch her and... arrest her. Yeah, that's the ticket. Such upstanding people wouldn't be doing anything bad, would they? So Barney is just helping fellow heroes to keep a dangerous felon away from the kids.

    (And no, if they have anything resembling a brain, they won't mention the Hexagoner 2.0 or the Crash Test Dummy when talking to Barney.)

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  • Crimson Kid, on basis they've worked together in the past. Of course Barney SHOULD know better, with the approximately 1:1 ratio of heros to villains in the faculty. But he lives in his own little world. He might even try helping directly, seeing how he's heard of their repeated failures even if he doesn't know it's the same group.

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  • mhalpern wrote: He might even try helping directly, seeing how he's heard of their repeated failures even if he doesn't know it's the same group.

    We can hope that this is part of what eventually brings Tractor to the school. It would be good to get rid of his prejudice quickly. The US may be pivotal in some things, but in no wise is the center of the universe....
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  • Might Hartford or someone else, notice members of the IRS enter campus??

    Then again, they might actually try to recruit him secretly??
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  • Malady wrote: Might Hartford or someone else, notice members of the IRS enter campus??

    Then again, they might actually try to recruit him secretly??

    Phones and Email exist

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Malady wrote: Might Hartford or someone else, notice members of the IRS enter campus??

    Then again, they might actually try to recruit him secretly??

    Phones and Email exist


    And those will make it even easier for Hartford to keep track of what is going on...


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  • I'm pretty sure that if a member of the IRS tried to walk in the front gate we'd finally see those sphinxes in action. I mean we've been teased with them so many times when students are first arriving, I'd love to see them finally do something.
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  • konzill wrote: I'm pretty sure that if a member of the IRS tried to walk in the front gate we'd finally see those sphinxes in action. I mean we've been teased with them so many times when students are first arriving, I'd love to see them finally do something.


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    mhalpern wrote:

    Malady wrote: Might Hartford or someone else, notice members of the IRS enter campus??

    Then again, they might actually try to recruit him secretly??

    Phones and Email exist


    And those will make it even easier for Hartford to keep track of what is going on...


    Devisor phones.

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  • Devisor phones are overkill. You only need that level of security if you're discussing details over the phone in plain English, and that's both stupid and unnecessary in this case. They can just call him with a simple burner phone, arrange a meeting off campus (preferably without hinting that this is anything clandestine or relating to Imp), and then explain the details in person. At this point the phone would be destroyed (preferably while Barney is present to witness, for his own peace of mind). Signaling Imp's movements would then be done via something like coded messages in his Facebook status. For example, select a handful of states to correspond to times of day (e.g. Georgia is next morning, Main is midday, Texas is afternoon, Florida is evening, Kansas is night, and Nebraska is right this moment), and select adjectives corresponding to nearby cities (e.g. rich is Dunwich, storied is Berlin, and lurid is Boston). If Imp will be in Boston tonight, he would set it to "Basking in the little known but lurid history of Kansas." If he's just found out that she's currently in Dunwich, he could use "Excited about Nebraska's rich indigenous culture."

    I should point out that this particular example is only good for a few uses before patterns start to emerge. Adding multiple choices of word for each place and time would fix that.

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  • Coded messages would work. Some codes can be rather difficult to break, especially if there is a very limited amount of source text available.

    The use of states to give the approximate time of departure would be rather simple to figure out after just a few uses. It might also be more evident that it is an attempt at passing on information. I highly doubt he is in the habit of talking about other states or discussing his own study habits online.

    Now, if he plays some games on facebook or has well discussed hobbies on his feed, that is where one would be better covered from easy discovery. Say he is an avid fisherman (he doesn't strike me as one, but just for discussion purposes let's say he is). He has posts about his catches, places he has or wants to go fishing at, etc. Then he can post something like, "I'd love to be fishing tomorrow afternoon instead of grading papers" (or whatever his cover work is) to say that Imp is leaving tomorrow afternoon. Then, to give the location, maybe he mentions the nearest lake or a type of fish he goes after, "The fishing report says the bass are biting hard on topwater" says that Imp went to Berlin...or "The drum fishing is great at the pier" to say Dunwich.

    That sounds a bit more natural.

    Of course one could simply use a messenger app of some sort or set up a group to avoid making a public post. If you are still worried about security, you can disguise it as a game or hobby type group. At that point, something like a dictionary code can be nearly unbreakable, provided only he and the person he is talking to know which book to use (they have to be the exact same or it doesn't work). Hide that set of numbers in something that uses lots of numbers in the first place (like on many military groups discussing the theft of guidons where location is given in grid coordinates)...maybe even scramble them further using a rail fence algorithm and you have some degree of security against anything other than a dedicated attempt to find out just what you are discussing.
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  • Well another Imp-ressive piece of this story just went up.
    Imp is busy trying to recover the person that Mrs Carson sent her for. This of course can't be straight forward or there wouldn't be much story. So we get to see her interact with her probable future sister in law...
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  • Watching the Imp interact with her future sister in law on a road trip has been a hoot. When Ryan fills in the blanks for her on whom he's dating, it'll be interesting to see the pieces come together in her mind.

    I've kind been hoping that we might see a heal-face turn out of Roland, but that would require him to realize that he is being a heal. Perhaps the shoe drop that the Imp has a child on the way and that he caused her to loose her first child would be sufficient to make him realize that, but I'm starting to doubt it.

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  • I wonder if Brandywhine will undergo a similar revelation as Chickenhawk did?

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  • Between Brandywine noticing the looks she's been giving her brother and her insistence on having a boyfriend, i wonder if she'll figure it out....

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  • A thought occured to me, what if Triangle is how the H1 mooks who killed Peggy's family got the exotic weaponry?

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  • The one thing I really enjoyed out of this segment was Imp trying to play nice with Brandy. Sure, Brandy is a bitch to her, and Imp certainly has a few vested interests in being nice to her, but Imp's stories have always emphasized being professional and only making things personal when a line is crossed, something where her personal foes have typically done the opposite. Ryan learned. Some haven't. Some crossed the line Imp (so far) never has.

    Imp was actually trying to teach Brandywine to be a better hero in a lot of the scenes. Be less impulsive, which from Brandy's perspective is mindblowing, considering who it is coming from. Respect professional/personal boundaries. Negotiate first, fight last. Compromise. Develop contacts who trust and respect you because you treat them fairly instead of through force. Admit you're no shining paragon of Truth, Justice, and the American Way either, they're mercs, you're a merc. The only difference is who is paying. Imp was mentoring, pretty much this whole road trip.

    Brandy might not have believed her once she brought up Phase, but Imp met honesty with honesty, which has always shocked her opponents. She's been treated pretty poorly her whole life, so when someone respects her, she respects them back. I love that we have that consistent character trait in all her stories.

    As for Barney...he's headed for Strike Three. Imp will find out. But at this point, I really wonder what she will actually do. She's threatened doing the worst. She left him alone, even after what he did to her, but this is strike three, and she's promised severe consequences. She still doesn't seem the type who would kill him for this and discretely dispose of his body. It's just not Imp's MO. Unintentional Defensive Amputation? Sure! Ruining someone personally and professionally? She has a history of doing just that.

    I almost expect her do sick the DPA on his butt with a lawsuit...

    If his actions got Melissa or another student hurt? She might kill him and dump him in the sewers. I just don't think she's at the point in her life where she'd go to that depth. She's matured. She's professional. She's considers herself above the means of her enemies.

    She'll probably hire Setup.
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  • Katssun wrote: The one thing I really enjoyed out of this segment was Imp trying to play nice with Brandy. Sure, Brandy is a bitch to her, and Imp certainly has a few vested interests in being nice to her, but Imp's stories have always emphasized being professional and only making things personal when a line is crossed, something where her personal foes have typically done the opposite. Ryan learned. Some haven't. Some crossed the line Imp (so far) never has.

    Imp was actually trying to teach Brandywine to be a better hero in a lot of the scenes. Be less impulsive, which from Brandy's perspective is mindblowing, considering who it is coming from. Respect professional/personal boundaries. Negotiate first, fight last. Compromise. Develop contacts who trust and respect you because you treat them fairly instead of through force. Admit you're no shining paragon of Truth, Justice, and the American Way either, they're mercs, you're a merc. The only difference is who is paying. Imp was mentoring, pretty much this whole road trip.

    Brandy might not have believed her once she brought up Phase, but Imp met honesty with honesty, which has always shocked her opponents. She's been treated pretty poorly her whole life, so when someone respects her, she respects them back. I love that we have that consistent character trait in all her stories.

    As for Barney...he's headed for Strike Three. Imp will find out. But at this point, I really wonder what she will actually do. She's threatened doing the worst. She left him alone, even after what he did to her, but this is strike three, and she's promised severe consequences. She still doesn't seem the type who would kill him for this and discretely dispose of his body. It's just not Imp's MO. Unintentional Defensive Amputation? Sure! Ruining someone personally and professionally? She has a history of doing just that.

    I almost expect her do sick the DPA on his butt with a lawsuit...

    If his actions got Melissa or another student hurt? She might kill him and dump him in the sewers. I just don't think she's at the point in her life where she'd go to that depth. She's matured. She's professional. She's considers herself above the means of her enemies.

    She'll probably hire Setup.


    On Barney, telling him what he cost her. Making him know she let him off easy.

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  • cprime wrote: Perhaps the shoe drop that the Imp has a child on the way and that he caused her to loose her first child would be sufficient to make him realize that, but I'm starting to doubt it.


    Maybe if Barney ever finds out that he made Imp lose her child, that would make him feel a little guilty. Maybe. But Barney just might be misogynist enough that he has no problem with it, and will actually blame Imp for not staying home barefoot.

    However... It's a bit unlikely that Imp is pregnant right now, the reason being that in 2016, Karma looks seven years old. If Imp were pregnant, Karma would be born around mid-2008, and be eight by the time of "The Trouble with Karma." But then, it's just one year of difference -- maybe Karma just looks younger than her age. Hey, Imp ages slower too. But it's by no means certain that she's currently pregnant.

    So put Imp's pregnancy in Schorödinger's box, besides that darn cat. We won't know for sure until Morpheus opens the box and the waveform collapses.

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  • Katssun wrote: As for Barney...he's headed for Strike Three. Imp will find out. But at this point, I really wonder what she will actually do. She's threatened doing the worst. She left him alone, even after what he did to her, but this is strike three, and she's promised severe consequences. She still doesn't seem the type who would kill him for this and discretely dispose of his body. It's just not Imp's MO. Unintentional Defensive Amputation? Sure! Ruining someone personally and professionally? She has a history of doing just that.

    I almost expect her do sick the DPA on his butt with a lawsuit...

    If his actions got Melissa or another student hurt? She might kill him and dump him in the sewers. I just don't think she's at the point in her life where she'd go to that depth. She's matured. She's professional. She's considers herself above the means of her enemies.

    She'll probably hire Setup.


    Imp won't need to do anything. Just inform Carson what happened.

    Teacher or not, Hero or not, Villain or not.

    None of that will matter to any of the factions coming after him.

    All that would matter is that he'd violated Whateley Neutrality.


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    cprime wrote: Perhaps the shoe drop that the Imp has a child on the way and that he caused her to loose her first child would be sufficient to make him realize that, but I'm starting to doubt it.


    Maybe if Barney ever finds out that he made Imp lose her child, that would make him feel a little guilty. Maybe. But Barney just might be misogynist enough that he has no problem with it, and will actually blame Imp for not staying home barefoot.

    However... It's a bit unlikely that Imp is pregnant right now, the reason being that in 2016, Karma looks seven years old. If Imp were pregnant, Karma would be born around mid-2008, and be eight by the time of "The Trouble with Karma." But then, it's just one year of difference -- maybe Karma just looks younger than her age. Hey, Imp ages slower too. But it's by no means certain that she's currently pregnant.

    So put Imp's pregnancy in Schorödinger's box, besides that darn cat. We won't know for sure until Morpheus opens the box and the waveform collapses.

    depends on how tightly he holds his values and what they are, he might not feel guilty, but instead lucky she didn't kill him

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote:

    cprime wrote: Perhaps the shoe drop that the Imp has a child on the way and that he caused her to loose her first child would be sufficient to make him realize that, but I'm starting to doubt it.


    Maybe if Barney ever finds out that he made Imp lose her child, that would make him feel a little guilty. Maybe. But Barney just might be misogynist enough that he has no problem with it, and will actually blame Imp for not staying home barefoot.

    However... It's a bit unlikely that Imp is pregnant right now, the reason being that in 2016, Karma looks seven years old. If Imp were pregnant, Karma would be born around mid-2008, and be eight by the time of "The Trouble with Karma." But then, it's just one year of difference -- maybe Karma just looks younger than her age. Hey, Imp ages slower too. But it's by no means certain that she's currently pregnant.

    So put Imp's pregnancy in Schorödinger's box, besides that darn cat. We won't know for sure until Morpheus opens the box and the waveform collapses.

    depends on how tightly he holds his values and what they are, he might not feel guilty, but instead lucky she didn't kill him

    He won't feel an iota of guilt. He will just think that because she is/was a villain she deserved what she got. Indeed her survival is an insult to his manhood. And so is this trying to play on his sensibilities. If anything he will be even more determined to see her dead, even if he doesn't admit it directly.
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  • Anne wrote:

    mhalpern wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote:

    cprime wrote: Perhaps the shoe drop that the Imp has a child on the way and that he caused her to loose her first child would be sufficient to make him realize that, but I'm starting to doubt it.


    Maybe if Barney ever finds out that he made Imp lose her child, that would make him feel a little guilty. Maybe. But Barney just might be misogynist enough that he has no problem with it, and will actually blame Imp for not staying home barefoot.

    However... It's a bit unlikely that Imp is pregnant right now, the reason being that in 2016, Karma looks seven years old. If Imp were pregnant, Karma would be born around mid-2008, and be eight by the time of "The Trouble with Karma." But then, it's just one year of difference -- maybe Karma just looks younger than her age. Hey, Imp ages slower too. But it's by no means certain that she's currently pregnant.

    So put Imp's pregnancy in Schorödinger's box, besides that darn cat. We won't know for sure until Morpheus opens the box and the waveform collapses.

    depends on how tightly he holds his values and what they are, he might not feel guilty, but instead lucky she didn't kill him

    He won't feel an iota of guilt. He will just think that because she is/was a villain she deserved what she got. Indeed her survival is an insult to his manhood. And so is this trying to play on his sensibilities. If anything he will be even more determined to see her dead, even if he doesn't admit it directly.

    He might see it as having ended an innocent life

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  • Of course what's IMPortant isn't how Barney will react but whom will be with her, what will be fun is Brandywine having to work with several villains for the rescue,

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  • It also struck me that the same concepts she's trying to push onto Brandywine are the same ones she's been attempting to instill in Aegis.
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  • Anne wrote: Unless I'm mistaken Michelle=Tether.


    Looking at the wiki page , I think you're right.
    • Her name: Michelle
    • Her peek-a-bangs hairstyle to cover her black eye.
    • Her connection with Focus, who was impressed after her first heist and paid for her tuition.

    I think this is the first we've seen her since her origin. She was mentioned by Focus in Brief Glimpses when he was talking to Maxine/Lodestone.

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    Anne wrote: Unless I'm mistaken Michelle=Tether.


    Looking at the wiki page , I think you're right.
    • Her name: Michelle
    • Her peek-a-bangs hairstyle to cover her black eye.
    • Her connection with Focus, who was impressed after her first heist and paid for her tuition.

    I think this is the first we've seen her since her origin. She was mentioned by Focus in Brief Glimpses when he was talking to Maxine/Lodestone.


    Tether is likely going to be their extraction, but one thing concerns me, finding where they are keeping the kid is easy, just injure a few members and follow them, but I don't doubt a bomb collar is in use,

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Angeldude wrote:

    Anne wrote: Unless I'm mistaken Michelle=Tether.


    Looking at the wiki page , I think you're right.
    • Her name: Michelle
    • Her peek-a-bangs hairstyle to cover her black eye.
    • Her connection with Focus, who was impressed after her first heist and paid for her tuition.

    I think this is the first we've seen her since her origin. She was mentioned by Focus in Brief Glimpses when he was talking to Maxine/Lodestone.


    Tether is likely going to be their extraction, but one thing concerns me, finding where they are keeping the kid is easy, just injure a few members and follow them, but I don't doubt a bomb collar is in use,

    Well this being a Morpheus story, we can't expect the extraction to be straight forward. It isn't a Bek story, so it won't be so scrambled that we lose track of who is whom and what not, but there will be complications.
    Bomb collar? Possibly. Threats to family? Probably. Stockholm syndrome? Exceedingly possible.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: It has been just what, two, three days? I think Stockholm Syndrome takes a bit longer to set in.


    Stockholm syndrome (and some of the associated and similar types of syndrome) can actually occur very quickly. While a longer time makes them m ore likely, they have at times occurred very quickly indeed

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  • JG wrote: stockholm syndrome is a survival reaction. It can happen within minutes of someine having a gun to their head if their brain calculates a higher survival threshold by immediate and total compliance.

    Of course in this case, because he has read the Whateley brochure, and about to enroll, he might have some hope to cling to, which can delay it, we know he's a healer but we don't know anything else. For all we know use of power is driving physical changes, and "he" might not match his description anymore, as its likely that he recently manifested, and we don't know other powers they might have..

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  • Stockholm Syndrome, but not in Jerome's case. Too bad Munchkin didn't know Rack, Kludge, Juryrig, Fire Forge, or is it my imagination that there a lot of "handicapped" Devisors and Gadgeteers at Whateley.

    An icecream sundae? One dollar would have been better. But she did get a bonus scoop.

    Good to see Star League get in on the action, Brandywhine and Imp would have had problems without their help.

    It'd be really funny if that gold was orichalcum, although I guess it looks less like gold than mithral does like silver.

    Now what else has Barney been up to?

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  • I'm pretty sure no one really expected it to be straight cash, but an ice cream sundae wasn't quite what I had in mind. I actually thought it would have been a nice dinner, but this is just way more Imp.

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  • Angeldude wrote: I'm pretty sure no one really expected it to be straight cash, but an ice cream sundae wasn't quite what I had in mind. I actually thought it would have been a nice dinner, but this is just way more Imp.


    She should have held out for more jimmies.

    "They have a warehouse,” I said, looking over the building that housed the Triangle. They had even labeled the building with a big blue triangle on the side, just to make sure nobody could miss it. “Why do people always use warehouses? Where is the originality? Where is the creativity?”

    “Where is the silence?” Brandywine hissed from beside me."


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  • Valentine wrote: Now what else has Barney been up to?

    Nothing good I'm certain. Of course one hopes that even though the IRS doesn't intend to be a honey trap for him that that is what they become for him as well as destroying the IRS.
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  • Still enjoy the gag that people never comprehend that the Imp Lair is a nice, classy, totally normal high rise condo. They always guess something weird.

    Not sure what is more horrifying, that The Triangle is able to convince some mutants to work for them, or that they are trying to convince parents to hand over their children. Then work the mutant to death, or brainwash them.
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    Another set-up for a longer-term recurring group of antagonists. :D

    Chewy.

    Looking forward to seeing how this develops. :D


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  • Blue Triangle reminds me of Detroit: Become Human . Anyone else?

    Surprise STAR League!

    And yeah, Triangle Cop seems to be important, soon.

    Did the Triangle evolve into one of the Gen2 groups? Or did they die out?

    Also, the story's still not done... What's gonna happen in the next part, I wonder.
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  • mhalpern wrote: of course Dr Malevolence I have to suspect will be the creator of the "Malice upgrade" by the time g2 comes around...


    Name checks out.

    So, The Triangle will be his first test subjects?
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    mhalpern wrote: of course Dr Malevolence I have to suspect will be the creator of the "Malice upgrade" by the time g2 comes around...


    Name checks out.

    So, The Triangle will be his first test subjects?

    plus if he's a devisor, (though clearly with a more stable self replicating devise) it would explain the quirkiness of the nanite complex.

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  • Katssun wrote: Still enjoy the gag that people never comprehend that the Imp Lair is a nice, classy, totally normal high rise condo. They always guess something weird.

    Not sure what is more horrifying, that The Triangle is able to convince some mutants to work for them, or that they are trying to convince parents to hand over their children. Then work the mutant to death, or brainwash them.

    That's easy as far as I'm concerned. Any group that goes after kids in this way is intrinsically evil.
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  • Katssun wrote: Not sure what is more horrifying, that The Triangle is able to convince some mutants to work for them, or that they are trying to convince parents to hand over their children. Then work the mutant to death, or brainwash them.


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    Edit: Welp, three for one it is then. Doesn't mind if I can get that backlog to finally die.

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    How could I take that much time for writing this? Well, nice ride, and now i'm ready for next entry coming...


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    Imp will be Brandy's sister in law, not step sister.


    Dang it I hate it when I do this sort of stupid mistakes...
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    Imp will be Brandy's sister in law, not step sister.


    Dang it I hate it when I do this sort of stupid mistakes...

    that's okay, i am certain Imp will insist on being called her "sister in crime".

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    Be careful, you could end up playing duty for the Kimboids. The Ironic Overpower just dig this sort of thinking.


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    Who's umb enough to throw a cann–


    Would "Stop right there! I gotta know right now" have worked better?

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    “You’re the Imp?” the villain asked, now giving me a curious look. “Monster Max used to talk about you.”

    ... You might have part of a solution to a problem here Imp. Just point toward the Glorious Crimson Kid, for Crimson fight with lots of Crimson Emotion flowing around.


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    Brandywine glared at me. “I’m watching you… I mean…” I just burst out laughing.

    ...Okay, I have to ask now. Is the Imp seriously considering a three-way party involving her future step-sister?


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    Wondering about the consequences aimed at Barney...


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  • Makes me wonder if Imp is really going to do anything to him directly, if he'd be more humiliated by her filing a formal HR complaint through all the proper channels...

    Revenge, completely on the up and up, ironclad, and irrefutable.

    I guess the question is, does Whateley neutrality extend to the staff?
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  • And yet, some still wonder why the Boston PD almost prefer seeing a group of teenagers play hero in place of the home team. (Maybe not so "almost" in Lampy's case)

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  • Katssun wrote: Makes me wonder if Imp is really going to do anything to him directly, if he'd be more humiliated by her filing a formal HR complaint through all the proper channels.


    She may not need to. Iirc, calls from campus are being monitored for that very reason.
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    Katssun wrote: Makes me wonder if Imp is really going to do anything to him directly, if he'd be more humiliated by her filing a formal HR complaint through all the proper channels.


    She may not need to. Iirc, calls from campus are being monitored for that very reason.


    He just placed the call, from his personal phone instead of a burner, no encryption, no rerouting, didn't he?

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    joreymay wrote:

    Katssun wrote: Makes me wonder if Imp is really going to do anything to him directly, if he'd be more humiliated by her filing a formal HR complaint through all the proper channels.


    She may not need to. Iirc, calls from campus are being monitored for that very reason.


    He just placed the call, from his personal phone instead of a burner, no encryption, no rerouting, didn't he?

    Can you say bad T Rex, no cookie for you, no dino bones, and go directly to jail, do not pass go, and definitely don't collect $200!
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  • Or maybe Imp and Hartford call Knockoff to Hartford's office and have her call up her Mom...

    Carson and The Board: "Mr. Williams...you're a Triangle member?!! And were trying to actively recruit students from our campus!!"

    ;)
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  • Katssun wrote: Makes me wonder if Imp is really going to do anything to him directly, if he'd be more humiliated by her filing a formal HR complaint through all the proper channels...

    Revenge, completely on the up and up, ironclad, and irrefutable.

    I guess the question is, does Whateley neutrality extend to the staff?


    When I think of ways to ruin Barney, or his reputation, being fired by Lady A must rank up there.

    Probably second to going against Jade in a combat final.
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  • A subtle point: Imp knows that Barney told the Boston heroes of her presence, but she doesn't know he told the IRS too. These are different levels of infraction against the Whateley rules.
    Tipping Skydork that Imp is going to be in Boston? Well, she did not get a pardon or make a deal with the justice system; she is still a wanted criminal, and he could quite honestly claim that he believed, from what he overheard, that she was planning a crime. If she got caught in the act, then she was abusing the Whateley protection. His infraction was "tipping law enforcement of suspicious activity."
    Tipping the IRS is a whole 'nother kettle of fish; even if the only members knew of was the alleged hero Crimson Kid, Barney was quite aware that C.K. was motivated by revenge, and might not be satisfied with merely delivering her to the police. It becomes "aiding and abetting an assassination attempt."

    Not that Imp won't take her revenge, but she does know the meaning of "appropriate response.". For the first one, she will probably be satisfied with publicly humiliating Barney (again). If she becomes aware of his involvement with the IRS, however, nothing less than the total destruction of his life, (in the fashion of what she did to the Crimson Kid, I mean) will suffice. And probably finding some way to land him in jail.

    Something that nobody seemed to comment... Imp sicced the Boston Heroes on the IRS. It's quite possible that one or more of the IRS will be captured -- the Boston heroes might not be all that competent, but they pack a serious punch. Thing is, what happens then? Depends on who gets captured:
    - Blondie: no rap sheet, might walk free if she keeps her head.
    - Crash Test Dummy: know felon wanted in New York
    - Hexagoner 2.0: quite probably wanted by the state of California.
    - Jack Ass: might -- might be wanted on kidnapping and child endangerment charges, if Chickenhawk was able to make a case. However, even if he did, the Boston heroes might not be aware of it, and only know him as a "fellow hero", letting him walk.
    - Crimson Kid: situation similar to Jack Ass. I don't think Imp managed to actually get in trouble with the Law -- from what I remember, she ruined his private life and doxxed him to people who wanted a piece of him. He might be still listed as an "hero", and therefore be let go by the heroes.

    So... if neither CTD nor Hex gets nabbed, the other three have a fair chance of convincing the heroes to let them go free.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: she is still a wanted criminal


    Was it not established earlier in this story that there weren't any active warrants out for her arrests?

    Can you be wanted if there're no warrants out for you?
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  • Anne wrote: Will T. Rex, AKA Barny or Williams really do that?


    HA!!! You made a unintentional joke, I think. Will T. Rex??? Williams???

    Wait, has anyone else already noticed what Anne said???

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    Anne wrote: Will T. Rex, AKA Barny or Williams really do that?


    HA!!! You made a unintentional joke, I think. Will T. Rex??? Williams???

    Wait, has anyone else already noticed what Anne said???

    No offence Anne.

    A case of the unintentional pun.
    Not that I am not known for occasionally making a pun...
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  • Greatdingo wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: she is still a wanted criminal


    Was it not established earlier in this story that there weren't any active warrants out for her arrests?

    Can you be wanted if there're no warrants out for you?

    Point. But this might be a recent development -- just a few months ago Chickenhawk, among others, was actively trying to arrest her. And in the same scene, Carson is referred to as her "probation officer." It's possible that between Carson's influence and Hartford, shall I say, other abilities, they arranged for the warrants to be dropped.

    Which does not mean that Barney is aware of this. He still could claim that he acted in good faith, believing she was a wanted criminal.

    And anyway, he only passed a tip. It would be the responsibility of whoever his Boston contact is to look up her to see what sort of criminal they are dealing with -- is she a "shoot first, ask questions later" like, say, Deicide? Is she a "deadly force authorized" case? Is she wanted for homicide? Is she likely to resort to violence? Is she only wanted for nonviolent crimes, such as burglary? Or, as it seems to be the case, if there are no warrants and she is only suspected of thefts, then you can't just arrest her for Walking While Mutant; you have to catch her doing the deed. If they don't do their research and get sued later for violating her civil rights, it's their own damn fault for being stupid.

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  • While we haven't seen (remember the unreliable narrator...) Williams being confronted by Mrs Carson, given their history, I'd be very surprised if Mrs Carson had not privately informed him that she was acting as Imp's probation officer. Certainly unless he has directly asked Mrs Carson about why the Imp is there, then he can be seen as at least acting entirely on prejudice.
    Imp is certainly not going to go to Carson, unless I misread her character a lot. It simply is not in her to look to anyone for help. She may indeed approach Jobe, after all why not cultivate a powerful ally against a ruthless enemy. And Williams has been nasty. He uses the 'hero' bit to cover his tendency to assault at a minimum.
    Things to remember: if the people you catch routinely end up with bruises, you may be engaging in assault under the cover of the law!
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  • Sir Lee wrote: - Blondie: no rap sheet, might walk free if she keeps her head.


    She seems like a candidate for a 72-hour psych hold to me, but it depends on whether she can play it cool long enough to avoid that.

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  • Actually, I seem to recall that, in addition to the expunged juvie record (which relates to why she never attended WA - she was supposed to some time after the first instance of stalking occurred but after another incident the plans were scrapped, as it sounds as if she'd been put in a psychiatric hospital for part of here teens), it was mentioned that she's had numerous stalking charges in other instances as an adult, and more than a few 5150s. I seem to recall that she'd been committed for a time as an adult, in addition to what happened in her teens.

    OK, here;s the relevant part:

    “Not as such,” Hartford explained. “The first record of her using any costume or codename was while she was recruiting her Imp revenge squad. However, she does have a history of legal and psychological issues under her real name.”

    “Oh?” I asked with interest.

    Hartford pulled couple pages out of the folder and opened them in front of me. “At the age of twelve, before she’d even manifested as a mutant, Carolynn was arrested for stalking one of her teachers. Her father kept her from being sent to juvenile hall, but she was sent to mandatory psychiatric counselling. Two years later, she repeated this with a famous rock star. She was arrested for stalking, breaking and entering, and assault. There are several more incidents like this, each becoming a little more…extreme. The psychiatric report that I acquired says that she has an obsessive personality, which is exacerbated by a case of Galahad Syndrome.”

    Heaven scowled as she said, “I have. When I was younger, my father nearly sent me to that school, and I would have gone if not for some…legal problems arising.” She gave a dismissive gesture. “What I do know is that this school is protected by some very powerful people, and that attacking Imp there would be suicide. That’s obviously the reason she’s hiding there.”


    So it isn't explicitly stated, but it certainly sounds like some of that was as an adult.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: A subtle point: Imp knows that Barney told the Boston heroes of her presence, but she doesn't know he told the IRS too. These are different levels of infraction against the Whateley rules.
    Tipping Skydork that Imp is going to be in Boston? Well, she did not get a pardon or make a deal with the justice system; she is still a wanted criminal, and he could quite honestly claim that he believed, from what he overheard, that she was planning a crime. If she got caught in the act, then she was abusing the Whateley protection. His infraction was "tipping law enforcement of suspicious activity."


    Actually she no longer has a criminal record.

    Imp 4: A Teacher's Tale wrote: After Carson had offered me this teaching position, there had been a few things that we’d needed to take care of before I could actually begin, one of the most important being my criminal record. I’d called in a few favors and Carson had pulled some strings, but at the same time, my records had also mysteriously vanished from several law enforcement and superhero databases. When Carson played ignorant about those missing records, I did a little checking of my own and found that Amelia Hartford was the most likely culprit.


    Not that that would matter to Lampy or Skydork.

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  • Note that even some members of the IRS don't have a past criminal record, they are operating in Boston without any kind of authorisation, and they did trash a store and they are resisting arrest. So this gives the police a reason to detain any of them that do get captured.

    Also, let you and him fight is always an awesome solution.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: . And in the same scene, Carson is referred to as her "probation officer." It's possible that between Carson's influence and Hartford, shall I say, other abilities, they arranged for the warrants to be dropped.



    What it actually said was:

    “We need her,” Chickenhawk insisted. He looked over the Shielders, his eyes locking with those of his sister. “There are currently no active warrants out for her arrest, and her probation officer has signed off on this.”

    “Probation officer?” the Emerald Avenger asked in surprise.

    Technically, Carson wasn’t actually my probation officer, because I wasn’t under any kind of official probation. However, she had made it her personal mission to keep an eye on me and make sure that I didn’t go straying too far back into my old line of work. After all, she’d pulled a lot of strings so I could work for her as a teacher, and she didn’t want her investment to be wasted.

    “I’m on double secret probation,” I announced cheerfully.

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  • So Superhawk knows that she has no active warrants, he has informed the Shielders, how long will that information take to percolate out to the rest of the superhero community? Especially given that some of them seem to operate on the vigilante system, rather than being auxiliaries to the regular police...
    I still say that Barney is acting in bad faith at best...
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  • Of course he's acting in bad faith. We did see his thoughts. What I meant is that he could claim to be acting in good faith.

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  • A logical approach would be to let Barney learn of a supposed visit by Imp and then see who he calls. He could then be invited to a meeting to Carson and find a recording of the phone call playing as he appears in the room. Another group of friends of the Imp (heroes and villains) could then offer a warm welcome to the IRS.
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  • Actually Superhawk saying 'her probation officer has signed off' is quite clever, as it slides around any issue of exactly WHO deleted certain pieces of infornmation and why.
    Suggesting she's on probation is much more believable.

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    She sat down and watched.

    It is possible to argue that she didn't even leave the scene of the crime.
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  • Sitting down to watch makes Imp even more of a witness.

    Whateley personnel giving depositions in Boston didn't work out so well last year.

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  • So, more Imp? ... No I don't have the couscous, I ate it... It was the only dish I had left in my fridge! But I have a review to compensate.

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    Nice little part to follow, and next, Barney crashing. But beyond the arrestations amongst the IRS, and his reactions to them (if his half brain cell didn't finish rotting yet, he will figure out the 'minions' are Manslaugther's buddies), I wonder if Imp will suspect him of informing the IRS too. I mean, they had to know in some way Imp was in Boston, and as far as she knows, Barney warning his buddy Manslaugther is a possibility too.
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  • 5he story seems to have outright said that she knows Barney informed them. I mean she knows his Mid is under TRex. And she knows the one who said that was a associate of his and he told her TRex. So yeah Barney is toast. Carson is likely to blow a gasket. He is likely fired. If he does what I think and is waiting for Imp when she hits campus and attacks her and I think she will taunt him into doing this then Carson will likely hand him over to the MCO or to DPA more likely.
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  • RoseBlack wrote: 5he story seems to have outright said that she knows Barney informed them.

    She knows Barney informed Lamplighter, Skyhawk, and Speed Queen. She doesn't know that he informed the IRS.

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  • RoseBlack wrote: Yeah your right had to reread. Sorry sleepy and a bad migraine. Been awake for two days >.< shoot me please?

    How about we just forgive you, give you some warm fresh baked cookies, and a glass of milk or hot cocoa?
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  • Kettlekorn wrote:

    RoseBlack wrote: 5he story seems to have outright said that she knows Barney informed them.

    She knows Barney informed Lamplighter, Skyhawk, and Speed Queen. She doesn't know that he informed the IRS.


    Although given that IRS were at the same location waiting for her it's a reasonable assumption.
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  • annachie wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote:

    RoseBlack wrote: 5he story seems to have outright said that she knows Barney informed them.

    She knows Barney informed Lamplighter, Skyhawk, and Speed Queen. She doesn't know that he informed the IRS.


    Although given that IRS were at the same location waiting for her it's a reasonable assumption.

    Yeah the circumstantial evidence is quite persuasive. Of course we, being outside the action, know for a fact that basshole did inform the IRS of Imp's visit to Boston, and its particulars.
    But like I said he is a total piece of turd so what else can you expect if he hasn't been turned under a rose bush yet?
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    annachie wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote:

    RoseBlack wrote: 5he story seems to have outright said that she knows Barney informed them.

    She knows Barney informed Lamplighter, Skyhawk, and Speed Queen. She doesn't know that he informed the IRS.


    Although given that IRS were at the same location waiting for her it's a reasonable assumption.

    Yeah the circumstantial evidence is quite persuasive. Of course we, being outside the action, know for a fact that basshole did inform the IRS of Imp's visit to Boston, and its particulars.
    But like I said he is a total piece of turd so what else can you expect if he hasn't been turned under a rose bush yet?


    I wouldn't say he's a turd.

    Turd's are useful.

    He really should be in counselling for Galahad Syndrome.

    While counselling for students exists, does Whateley have counselling for the teachers?


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  • I don't think his is Galahad not entirely..... It's more being a rotten person and taking everything personally he can't let go of the past or believe he can be wrong. Or for that matter that people can change the world is in stasis and he is the one true paragon of right. I know plenty of people like that where I live. Of course he seems to be having some doubts so maybe there is hope but I doubt it.
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  • I would think it is safe to assume that some sort of counseling is available to the teachers. I say that based on my experience in the education system (both grandmothers, three aunts, mom and dad all retired from teaching and I coach and substitute teach). One of the things in our insurance is coverage for counseling. Some larger systems (read that as systems with more money) offer services directly as well. If public schools can offer that then I would think that a private school costing what Whateley does would have counselors either on staff or on retainer for the teachers...particularly considering the make up of the student body and the situations that seem to arise on such a frequent basis.
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  • Mister D wrote: While counselling for students exists, does Whateley have counselling for the teachers?


    So far we've seen Squiddly Diddly and Dr. Scratchansniff (Imp hasn't met the other Dr. Otto). Surely meeting Nurse Hello Nurse is only a matter of time.

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  • Part 5 is up. Rather short and sweet for a Morpheus story. Still has the requisite fight between Imp and Barney. I do hope, though I agree with Imp, that I doubt that the lesson will stick. Then she ambushes the IRS... Superglue and Costco(r) laxative... Hilarious! Then we get to the sweet part where we see Imp meet Ryan's sister and while she doesn't approve, At least she drops her active enmity.
    All in all a satisfying bit of wandering through Imp's life! Thank you Morpheus.
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  • That was a satisfying Thanksgiving. Less zany than I expected, but also more heartwarming. The bit with the sketchpad and advice, with Brandy watching, really sealed the deal.

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  • Part 5 was definitely a fun read and the Thanksgiving scene was adorable, but I didn't feel like it really resolved things. At least to me, it didn't feel like Barny or the IRS were actually taken out. All Imp did was prank them, which if anything is going to make them come back angrier then ever before.
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  • I quite agree, except that she did call in their location to the local fuzz. So they do have to make bail. They will all get a mugshot taken with their superglue problems... :P so... They will not be less out for blood when they are no longer in the custody of Boston's finest, but I do agree that if she thinks that she has seen the last of them that she is probably mistaken. Same goes for Barney. I suspect she will eventually have to put him six feet under. He will never consider that she is a) better than he is, and b) She played him like a cheap bongo drum... I E she beat on him massively which means that he ought to take a step back and consider that he just might be boxing out of his skill level at least.
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  • joreymay wrote: Do we know what happened in Berlin that Sunday? If so, what story was it in?


    I think the other active Gen 1 story lines stop a couple of weeks before that date.

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  • Part Five: The Snuggling.

    Brief, but so very satisfying. You can pretty much feel the loving, nurturing, friendly environment. All of Imp's recent good deeds bring good Karma.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    joreymay wrote: Do we know what happened in Berlin that Sunday? If so, what story was it in?


    I think the other active Gen 1 story lines stop a couple of weeks before that date.

    Yeah, I get the picture that we're seeing an asymmetric advancement of the story, and that to even show what happened with Mischief would spoiler certain other stories. What Morpheus does here is foreshadowing and frustrating, but does not spoil other stories. It does however make us hungry for the rest of the story!
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  • Anne wrote: I quite agree, except that she did call in their location to the local fuzz. So they do have to make bail. They will all get a mugshot taken with their superglue problems... :P so... They will not be less out for blood when they are no longer in the custody of Boston's finest, but I do agree that if she thinks that she has seen the last of them that she is probably mistaken. Same goes for Barney. I suspect she will eventually have to put him six feet under. He will never consider that she is a) better than he is, and b) She played him like a cheap bongo drum... I E she beat on him massively which means that he ought to take a step back and consider that he just might be boxing out of his skill level at least.


    That's Berlin's Finest. The IRS "followed" Imp to Berlin. I was wondering how they got away from the finest heroes in Boston, then I remembered that only one is semi competent.

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  • Anne wrote: I quite agree, except that she did call in their location to the local fuzz. So they do have to make bail. They will all get a mugshot taken with their superglue problems... :P so... They will not be less out for blood when they are no longer in the custody of Boston's finest, but I do agree that if she thinks that she has seen the last of them that she is probably mistaken. Same goes for Barney. I suspect she will eventually have to put him six feet under. He will never consider that she is a) better than he is, and b) She played him like a cheap bongo drum... I E she beat on him massively which means that he ought to take a step back and consider that he just might be boxing out of his skill level at least.

    IRS will be back, but they may lose their cohesion more over Imps reputation for professionalism will indicate to others that they crossed a line and will not be good to work with if she went that far.

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  • Was hoping that Carson would learn about Barney's involvement with the IRS, but no?

    And a happy Thanksgiving to end the story! So nice!

    Along with Brandy finally learning about Christine and Ryan being a couple!

    ...

    Hmm... was Barney and Imp's fight, recorded, and being passed around or something...
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  • Malady wrote: Was hoping that Carson would learn about Barney's involvement with the IRS, but no?


    Just the fact that Imp mentioned to Squiddly that the IRS, AND, the Boston heroes knew where to find her, would have the Whateley security checking the phone logs, so as to make sure that Squiddly is working within the Whateley Code of Psychic Ethics, whilst making sure that WA neutrality is observed.

    This would probably be done off-scene, in a post-Sim, "Quiet" bawling out by Carson, making sure that Barney knows where the lines are, and what the consequences of ignoring them would be.

    Hmm... was Barney and Imp's fight, recorded, and being passed around or something...


    Of course it was recorded... :D


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  • Malady wrote: Was hoping that Carson would learn about Barney's involvement with the IRS, but no?

    And a happy Thanksgiving to end the story! So nice!

    Along with Brandy finally learning about Christine and Ryan being a couple!

    ...

    Hmm... was Barney and Imp's fight, recorded, and being passed around or something...

    Oh it was recorded, the audio probably separately, but Barney did confess to breaking the Neutrality.

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  • mhalpern wrote: Oh it was recorded, the audio probably separately, but Barney did confess to breaking the Neutrality.

    But even if it was recorded would the students and Las Vegas ever get to see it? Mrs Carson might object due to the school having to present a more or less unified and neutral front to students and parents. Former heroes and villains might be coworkers even if they don't like one another but they don't actively fued, or something along those lines.

    Or would only unregistered fueds and vendettas get stomped on by security and mrs Carson?
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  • Are we sure Imp isn't an Avatar with some sort of trickster spirit? We've seen people hosting spirits without realizing it before (e.g., Razorback; also, Anna didn't really know what had happened until she got her powers tested at Whateley, either, and I think others were mentioned as well), so it is not as imp-plausible as it sounds.

    (Speaking of trickster spirits, how is Mezzo's story coming along, Sir Lee?)

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  • Schol-R-LEA wrote: Are we sure Imp isn't an Avatar with some sort of trickster spirit? We've seen people hosting spirits without realizing it before (e.g., Razorback; also, Anna didn't really know what had happened until she got her powers tested at Whateley, either, and I think others were mentioned as well), so it is not as imp-plausible as it sounds.

    (Speaking of trickster spirits, how is Mezzo's story coming along, Sir Lee?)

    Reasonably certain, by her own account she was like this before she manifested

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  • Schol-R-LEA wrote: (Speaking of trickster spirits, how is Mezzo's story coming along, Sir Lee?)


    It's... well, I have most of it outlined. Some scenes written, albeit not sequentially -- I have a big part of her arrival to the US and scenes of her first semester. But I'm having the hardest time setting up a convincing situation for the critical scene where Jana flubs the spell... and that is holding back pretty much everything.

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  • I doubt this is the end from Barney's point of view.

    Imp being ahead of "now" in the timeline is annoying for the event that was not shown.

    I suspect Morpheus needs to work on his other characters a bit more but enjoys Imp too much. :)
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  • I don't know Barney does have some conscience. As long as she doesn't open my provoke him it will likely be the end. Of course other people are involved. I sorta expect we will see her student end up standing against Barney to protect her at some point.

    Plus Barney has to deal with the fact that his rampage lost him alot of credit from all the staff. He killed more "people" in that duel than most super villains cept the A listers.
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  • Bah, it was the sims. The bystanders meant nothing. They weren't real people. He was there to fight Imp and Imp was there to fight him. He'll lose no sleep over dead sims.
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  • Their fight wasn't to find out who's better at heroics. It was about hurting each other, plain and simple. The people making a big deal about the "civilians" are those who either want more excuses to look down on Barney or are just so used to thinking of the sims as a training tool that they can't shut off that mindset. It's silly and petty. It's also 100% deserved. :)

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: The people making a big deal about the "civilians" are those who either want more excuses to look down on Barney or are just so used to thinking of the sims as a training tool that they can't shut off that mindset.


    No. That was an equal opportunity for both players to either publicly wreck their professional reputations, or to demonstrate whether it's safe to turn your back to either one in a situation.

    With whatever's coming in the Spring, Carson needs to know whatever assets or liabilities she has to work with. It was simply a matter of having the right scenario ready to go.

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  • While Barney may not think the ants were important, I do not think that Mrs Carson will see things the same way. Indeed I do believe that since all the combat finals tell the students to avoid injuring the bystanders, that she is going to have at least harsh words for Barney.
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  • I thought the story was pretty clear about how other staff reacted to his lack of concern for Collateral damage in that Sim. Also, it sent a clear message to everybody that saw it exactly how deadly Imp could be when she wants to be. I mean we as the readers have known this for some time, but now its pretty close to public knowledge in-universe. Especially if that sim match got leaked to the bookmakers in Vagas.
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  • Re the bystanders:

    The point is not that he ignored the ANTs, the point is that he, the alleged "hero", used destructive and dangerous tactics that would be unacceptable in a real combat. I mean, he is supposed to be an experienced hero; avoiding wanton destruction should be ingrained in his tactics. He behaved less like Captain America and more like a rampaging Hulk.

    Meanwhile, the supposed "villain" used tactics that posed very little risk for third parties...

    Points to ponder:
    - Barney did react when told exactly why Imp holds a grudge. He has exhibited a smidgen of self-doubt previously; it might just be possible that Carson will get through to him.
    - Brandywine appears to have tentatively accepted Imp's presence within her family; she didn't yell, fight or leave in a huff. I think there's hope for her yet. I mean, she doesn't like it, but she seems able to shut up and be diplomatic for her brother's and niece's sake.

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  • Exactly the big reason the Sims are so useful to whatley for training is every one treats them as real. Just because it's a fake environment isn't an excuse to rampage. And here's the thing those Ants still look like real people. Barney didn't even slow down and stop and make a choice to treat then as fake he just didn't care. A real hero would have had to stop a minute and think about it because they look and act like real people.

    And actually that seems like more a SIM suit SIM given what Imp did to Barney......

    But yeah he just outed himself as a clear threat to bystanders. You think if something went down on campus that he wouldn't have done that to school buildings and kids? I bet Carson thinks he would have. And while what happens in the Sims stays in the Sims that doesn't mean it doesn't color people's opinions of you. Like I said before any hero rep he had left he just ruined. Because the super Villain caused less damage while he rampaged.
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  • I'm still waiting for Imp to let it slip that Lampy jumped her. I'm sure The Range crew might have a few words to say about it. =) Put an end to his stupid ass once and for all.

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  • Yolandria wrote: I'm still waiting for Imp to let it slip that Lampy jumped her. I'm sure The Range crew might have a few words to say about it. =) Put an end to his stupid ass once and for all.

    I thought that she told Lewis Gintz about that. If not then I think she let it slip while in the sim.
    On the note of the sim, I some how feel that Barney is about to get called on the carpet. Which means that he may be out of a job and blaming Imp. Because I can't imagine that he will ever realize that he is the one who ran smack dab into that buzz saw. If he had maintained situational awareness he would have avoided it...
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  • =Ahem=. While attacking Imp won't make a lot of people dislike Lumpy any less, the warning the Dragonslayers gave him concerned him attacking CHILDREN. Imp is hardly a child.

    In this incident, he was pursuing an (alleged) ADULT criminal. He wasn't even acting on his own -- he brought other Boston heroes with him, meaning that other people agreed that there was enough reason to try apprehending the Imp.

    I mean, they let it slide when Lumpy attacked Chaka and Riptide in the Birthday Brawl. Why? Because it was an "honest mistake" -- he THOUGHT he was attacking the Necromancer. Why would they take hm to the cleaners now, with no minors involved?

    However, if they hear about the earlier confrontation, when the Lamplighter attacked Aegis (before being distracted by Imp)... well, that might be enough for Caitlin to see red and drag the rest of the Dragonslayers into a lamp-snuffing mission.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: Re the bystanders:

    The point is not that he ignored the ANTs, the point is that he, the alleged "hero", used destructive and dangerous tactics that would be unacceptable in a real combat. I mean, he is supposed to be an experienced hero; avoiding wanton destruction should be ingrained in his tactics. He behaved less like Captain America and more like a rampaging Hulk.

    Meanwhile, the supposed "villain" used tactics that posed very little risk for third parties...

    Points to ponder:
    - Barney did react when told exactly why Imp holds a grudge. He has exhibited a smidgen of self-doubt previously; it might just be possible that Carson will get through to him.
    - Brandywine appears to have tentatively accepted Imp's presence within her family; she didn't yell, fight or leave in a huff. I think there's hope for her yet. I mean, she doesn't like it, but she seems able to shut up and be diplomatic for her brother's and niece's sake.


    On Brandy, Imp DID save her life, and well another way to look at it, an Imp thats happy around heroes, is an Imp that isn't on the street stealing stuff..

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  • RoseBlack wrote: Just because it's a fake environment isn't an excuse to rampage.

    Sure it is. Unless you're engaging in a training exercise or participating in some sort of contest where the rules say you need to treat it like real-life, there's no reason not to rampage if that's what you feel like doing. Based on the level of violence Imp was willing to engage in, we know that they were not instructed to treat this like reality. This was just a grudge match, a stress relieving video game. Or so Barney was led to believe. His peers certainly seem to be treating it as a heroic competency evaluation. People are stupid like that, and Barney wasn't smart enough to anticipate it and behave accordingly. Carson, on the other hand, is that smart; dollars to donuts she specifically had them put civilians in that sim to bias the social consequences of the match in Imp's favor whether she won or lost.

    RoseBlack wrote: Barney didn't even slow down and stop and make a choice to treat then as fake he just didn't care. A real hero would have had to stop a minute and think about it because they look and act like real people.

    You're making assumptions. He knew it was a sim going in, and he had plenty of time prior to Imp revealing herself to look around and take that moment to remind himself it wasn't real. Whether or not he actually needed to jump through that mental hoop was not shown.

    RoseBlack wrote: But yeah he just outed himself as a clear threat to bystanders. You think if something went down on campus that he wouldn't have done that to school buildings and kids? I bet Carson thinks he would have.

    Nonsense. Am I a clear threat to bystanders because I threw grenades around indiscriminately in a video game last night? Or because I've happily run through the Imperial City of Cyrodiil slaughtering civilians and guards alike? Because I've treated oncoming traffic in Road Rash 3D as ramps to jump my motorcycle off? Do I need to point out that in spite of the many reckless things I've done in various driving games, I have never had even a single speeding ticket in real life? And that in spite of playing a number of violent games as a teen and adult, I haven't used violence against another person since I was a child (at which time I hadn't even played any violent games yet)? It's as though I have the basic ability to distinguish reality from fiction, and enough empathy to not wish harm upon innocent people...

    Getting back to your question: no, if something went down on campus, I do not think Barney would have done that. If his actions in that sim were an accurate representation of his actions as a hero, he wouldn't have had a reputation for Imp to destroy in the first place, and he would not have been hired to be a teacher at Whateley. He has been reckless in the past, but even Imp admitted that he wasn't this reckless. Because this wasn't real.

    Note that Imp's behavior was no different. She was also 100% aware that it was fake and that she could do whatever she wanted, and she took advantage of that to physically torture Barney after she'd already defeated him. The lack of direct collateral damage on her part wasn't due to caution or competency; it was luck of the draw on what powers she got. She gave no more shits about the virtual civvies than Barney did, but the only way her powers would put anyone in danger would be if they were within a few feet of her, or if they were behind somebody she was throwing spikes at -- and when her target is as big as Barney, odds of missing him are very low. Imp didn't attempt to deescalate the situation so as to avoid civilians getting hurt, nor did she stall so they could flee. In fact, she was actively antagonizing Barney throughout the encounter, and she didn't try to harness that aggression to lead him to a less populated area. She purposefully drew him toward the buildings, putting greater numbers of civilians in danger for the sake of having the terrain advantage.

    So, by your logic, Imp just outed herself as a clear threat to bystanders. Except that I seem to remember that when somebody attacked her inside the crowded Crystal Hall on Parent's Day, she had the sense to recognize that she wasn't in a sim and lead them outdoors away from the children instead of taking advantage of the crowds and structures inside. It's almost like we shouldn't base our expectations of people's normal behavior on their actions in a video game grudge match against their personal enemy arranged with the specific purpose of letting them blow off steam in a consequence-free environment.

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  • The point I was making is the Sims are always treated as a live fire environment. They aren't a video game Carson and the sim staff make that clear at every chance. They are always to be treated as if it was a real circumstance.


    Also I wonder if Barney is a legacy Hire. I don't think Carson would have picked him herself tbh
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  • RoseBlack wrote: The point I was making is the Sims are always treated as a live fire environment. They aren't a video game Carson and the sim staff make that clear at every chance. They are always to be treated as if it was a real circumstance.


    Also I wonder if Barney is a legacy Hire. I don't think Carson would have picked him herself tbh

    The point was simple, while Imp played dirty (as is expected) Williams played sloppy

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  • My point was that as an alleged experienced hero, he must have had a number of confrontations in the past -- and keeping from endangering bystanders should be an ingrained part of his strategies. His natural reaction should be avoid damage and endangerment.

    I mean, yeah, I could understand it if he used the simulated nature of the ANTs as a tactical advantage -- coldly going "off-script" at a crucial juncture to catch the Imp by surprise. I wouldn't like it, but I could respect that. But that's not what was shown. What he did was just throw any semblance of tactics and experience to the winds to indulge in a testosterone rampage. He let his anger control him. That's not the way to get respect.

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  • See Sir Lee also summed up what I was trying to say rather eloquently. Knowing it's fake doesn't get you by reactions that should be like muscle memory automatically. It should have given him atleast a seconds pause but there was none.
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  • RoseBlack wrote: The point I was making is the Sims are always treated as a live fire environment. They aren't a video game Carson and the sim staff make that clear at every chance. They are always to be treated as if it was a real circumstance.

    That's a sensible rule for the mandatory team battles, combat finals, Team Tactics, and other such training exercises, but I see no reason why it would be an absolute rule that applies to every single use of the sims ever. They aren't a sacred temple with right and wrong ways of being used. They're just a tool for running scenarios. The overwhelming majority of the time, those scenarios are training exercises where treating it like reality matters. In this case, however, the scenario was a simple grudge match, and those rules don't apply.

    Think about it. If we assume that the civilians were to be respected, then the match was heavily and obviously biased in Imp's favor since the civilian presence was not remotely fair given the natures of Imp's and Barney's powers. That unfairness would be fine if they were trying to find out who's better at cops and robbers, but that's not what this was about. This was very specifically about giving them a safe way to fight each other and burn off their anger. Biasing it significantly toward either participant would completely undermine that purpose, as it would just piss off the slighted party even more. And civilians weren't necessary; the simulated environment for this match could just as easily have been a ghost town, or the wilderness, or an abstracted city-like environment. Yet they used a populated city. Therefor, either the match was a farce intended to goad Barney into bitterly escalating post-match, or the civilians only existed as set decoration -- a crowd of noisy, animated bodies to potentially disappear into.

    RoseBlack wrote: See Sir Lee also summed up what I was trying to say rather eloquently. Knowing it's fake doesn't get you by reactions that should be like muscle memory automatically. It should have given him atleast a seconds pause but there was none.

    I have 15 years of experience with driving safely, if you only count experience with cars and trucks; 22 years if you count other motor vehicles. Not the most around, but non-trivial, and I doubt it's less time than Barney spent as a hero. But if you put me in a simulated car where I know there are no consequences and you tell me that my objective is to get from Point A to Point B faster than my hated opponent, I will happily drive like a lunatic without any silly hangups or pauses about running them or others off the road, running over some pedestrians, taking a shortcut through a park, or what-have-you. In fact, it turns out that when people know that their actions carry no consequences, it's completely normal and expected for them to do things well outside of what they'd normally be willing to do. And that's before factoring in emotion. When angry, it is very easy to dismiss silly moral hangups. That's a big part of what makes anger so dangerous in the first place -- besides making you want to cause pain and destruction, it also lowers your inhibitions.

    So, hmm, let's see. A rusty retired hero in a completely virtual consequence-free arena for a grudge match with the villain who ruined his life yet somehow became his coworker, and she won't stop taunting him? Yeah, that sounds like a recipe for him to effortlessly disregard any sort of compunctions he might have against hurting any fake people who get between him and his vengeance.

    Sir Lee wrote: I mean, yeah, I could understand it if he used the simulated nature of the ANTs as a tactical advantage -- coldly going "off-script" at a crucial juncture to catch the Imp by surprise. I wouldn't like it, but I could respect that. But that's not what was shown. What he did was just throw any semblance of tactics and experience to the winds to indulge in a testosterone rampage. He let his anger control him. That's not the way to get respect.

    I definitely agree that nothing about his performance was respectable.

    I just don't agree with judging him by absurd standards in order to further vilify him. We already have plenty of legitimate reasons to call him an asshole. We don't need to manufacture more.

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  • Roland and the Imp have a number of issues to work out,” Louis said. “Perhaps they could resolve their disagreements the way many of our students do...in the sims.”

    “The sims,” Carson mused with a thoughtful expression. Then she smiled faintly. “Yes, I think a ‘friendly’ sim match would be the perfect way for the two of you to work out your differences.”

    I glared at Barney for a moment before nodding agreement. “Fine,” I said. “The sims it is.”

    “Agreed,” Barney added a moment later.

    “Then I’ll arrange your sims match for this afternoon,” Carson said. “I have a feeling that the sooner you can get this out of your systems, the better.” Then her expression hardened again as she reminded us, “And of course, as always, what happens in the sims stays in the sims.”

    I nodded again, not exactly thrilled about having to deal with Barney in the sims, since it would be much more satisfying to teach him another lesson in real life where it would be much more likely to stick. However, there were benefits to fighting in the sims, and I intended to take full advantage of them.


    Since this match is apparently under the same rules the students would have been under, then yes Roland is responsible for the safety of the Ants. Just like when TK got reamed after their rematch with The Grunts, and The Grunts got reamed for the first match. Roland is responsible for his actions, at least in the eyes of his peers.

    To be truthful, Imp was at much bigger disadvantage. She had to fight, she couldn't just use her standard tactic of distraction and escape. (I wonder if there is a Martial Arts class for the staff?)

    Imp went into the Sims knowing that there were things she could do that she wouldn't normally do. She obviously put some thought and planning into it. Roland went in like a rager. No thoughts about the consequences of his actions.

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  • Maybe it is my background, but to me the sims would seem to be something that would fall into the category of "always treated as real".

    In the Navy, private security and nuclear security we used a "laser range" at times instead of a live fire range for qualifications, training and practicing scenarios. Even though it was not a live fire (the "weapon" in some cases was attached to an air hose to give you 'recoil'...because nothing says real like an air hose), you always treated it as if it was a live weapon and that situation was completely real at all times. From the time you started your briefing it was "real". Even if you were just using the range on your own time (programs were uploaded and if the range was free you could go use it if you were also free). It was treated as "real" to the extent that you could fail a scenario on the laser range before it even started if you didn't maintain muzzle discipline while waiting on everything to load up.

    I would imagine the sims are accorded the same level of "realism" by the students and staff as a matter of standard procedure. Now, I am not saying there are not times when the range is treated as something else entirely, that is possible. But I would think that is the exception instead of the rule. Furthermore, I would suspect that when the range is treated in such a way it is specifically mentioned that is scenario or range conditions are being handled in an atypical manner. Without that claim being made I would have a hard tie seeing something like the stunt Barney pulled a being "ok" in any way.

    The video game parallel was mentioned. For someone who has not used a simulator as a training method on a regular basis, I would agree that it could easily be viewed as a chance to go loco. But for someone who has been in an environment where it is a primary training method that doesn't work in my estimation.
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  • I think that Carson was using it as an evaluation of Roland. Whether or not she dings him on his disregard for the ANTs I believe that she is going to consider how easily Imp goaded Roland into a rage and at the very least he is going to get some mandatory counseling. Why? Because if Imp can goad him that badly, then who else might be able to pull him off task if the school were attacked?
    Also, while Imp seems to have a rather nasty sense of humor, she seems to play by a 'professional' set of ethics. That is that she is willing to let most of what happens during a chase be bygone unless the person doing the chase starts to harm her or someone she cares about.
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  • Her professionalism, no need for quotes, it what put her in a higher tier of the criminal hierarchy in the first place.

    People who have done a job with her before trust her in a world where trust is in very, very short supply.

    As much as she jokes around, she treats the students and peers the same way. Which is why Carson hired her, Hartford has a good relationship with her, and Tabby treats her as a friend.
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  • Katssun wrote: Her professionalism, no need for quotes, it what put her in a higher tier of the criminal hierarchy in the first place.

    People who have done a job with her before trust her in a world where trust is in very, very short supply.

    As much as she jokes around, she treats the students and peers the same way. Which is why Carson hired her, Hartford has a good relationship with her, and Tabby treats her as a friend.


    There's also a good comparison to had with the Sim Matches between Tabby and The Imp already...


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  • Let me put it this way. Imp was a professional thief. She accepted that 'heros' would try to capture her.
    She developed a method of distracting them so that she could escape.
    Roland claims to have been a 'professional' hero.
    When Imp mocked him while escaping, he took that personally. Both the mocking and the escaping.
    Therefore he really was not terribly professional at the end of the day.
    If Roland had caught Imp and not used the capture as an excuse to beat on Imp, she would have been willing to let bygones be bygone... Well unless the chase was on again after she was out of the pokey due to having syndicate insurance against being caught... Then she would have been doing her best to distract Roland from herself while escaping. Or rather get him focusing on the mocking so that he wasn't thinking about her stage magic disappearing act among other tactics.
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  • Imp needs to do the Larceny 102: The Art of Not Being Seen.



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