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Question The Garden of Good and Evil
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And answers questions I never thought to ask!
The nice family stuff is great!
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In the end reality is only consensual! It means that Al Gore is causing "Global Warming" by his rhetoric alone! Fortunately, there are enough Global Warming "Deniers" still about to keep him from boiling the planet.
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I don't think I can say that enough about this piece, and to know that there is more to come?
I want it now! But I must be patient!
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
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Sunday, October 27, 2007
Finally, should have known their mother was a mutant even if a low-level one with how she blows up. Darn, and a non-treatable form of Diedricks. And Miranda looking like her mother or close to it when she grows up, interesting.“So yeah, Natalie Mahren has Diedricks. She’s also an Exemplar 1 with Energizer 1 traits. Completely able to hang below the radar.” Dr Hewley looked at Carson. “Hell, even her Diedricks seems to manifest similarly to standard-issue histrionics if you don’t know what you’re looking for.”
That slowed aging, whoa. And now has to go tell Caitlin about all this, Mrs. Carson's job is a rough one.“Mrs. Mahren’s aging process appears to be about as stunted as yours. She looks to be, physically, about twenty-two if she cleaned up and didn’t have that ‘weathered parent’ look, though Miranda hasn’t shown signs of that yet.”
Caitlin living through all those memories again, a waking nightmare, make me wish I could help her somehow. Erik having to deal with a newfound rage he has to learn how to bottle while at Boot Camp, I can't imagine the strain on his psyche alone from this. Then after graduation from Boot Camp, yikes.
Okay, it is sounding more and more like Erik had some type of guardian angel to be alive long enough to get the job at Whateley.The demotion from sergeant back to corporal wasn’t quite as bad. The smug M-Soc Exemplar-Four had been far too cocky in the face of a Dragonslayer with a mere nightstick and no sense of self-preservation. It had been worth it, even if the hospital trip had sucked mightily.
Caitlin still suffering pain and rage at the mere thought of her family, please let this story have a happy ending for her, please. Trying to hide out in her room until her mother leaves Whateley, now that is stubborn. Adore watching CNN again, Shifty ambushing one of his friends on their way to the bathroom, lively bunch for early in the morning. That's what Caitlin does when she is bored, okay, leave the stuff with runes carved on them alone.
And the matter of the music box comes up, Mrs. Carson annoyed she hadn't been told about such a potent artifact yet.
Okay, knew it was going to help out Diamondback but nice to know the particulars now..“Construct is actually a protector and familiar for children, something they grow into. It wasn’t attuned. Now it’s attuned to Diamondback and it gives her little tips and pointers that allow her to figure out how to maximize her essence rather than storing essence for her like a normal familiar.”
Bwahahaha, if he only knew how tough that shield actually is.“And the Adamant Shield that Jericho promptly bolted to his armor? Mr. Bumsfeld is going crazy trying to do a metallurgical sample.”
To paraphrase the gremlin: "I like her, she's silly."Caitlin chuckled even though she really didn’t feel it. “Best gifts are the ones that your loved ones will adore and will drive the people around them mad.”
Ouch, my sides hurt now, never thought Carson would respond like that.“Very true, though if you tell anyone I said that I’ll deny it.”
Ouch, Caitlin trying to hold back the tears at the thought of her mother decking Mendez. Finding out your temper is genetic and your mother is a mutant but never knew is a huge shock. And at least now Caitlin knows about the divorce going on.
And all the pain and rage comes flooding out, I pity any idiot who ticks her off on purpose right now.“Hell, Barb broke up with me when she found out so I could reconcile, but I was way past able to talk at that point.” Caitlin’s eyes were fighting tears again, and Carson just listened. “Ten years, Liz. Ten fucking years of not a goddamn peep, not so much as a fare-thee-well. I’ve been in combat, I’ve been homeless, I’ve been a damn sight close to joining the Syndicate more than once, and they never bothered to find out what I was doing.”
The genie was finally out of the bottle, Caitlin Bardue had to learn to deal with her emotions, and her past.
All Liz could do was put an arm over Caitlin’s shoulder and let her sob the fury out.
Back at the Whateley Academy Gate, Imp having to dive out of the way of Razorback as grabs Adam and tosses him onto his back for a fun ride, best big brother ever. Those people looking on need to have their relationship explained to them. Their poor mother, I don't think even Carson could turn down Adam's request right then.
Imp thinking she can't top what Jack and Adam just did, not wanting to anyways, aww, I would love to see her try.
Guess the crush is out of the bag now for Jack.Imp did her own double-take and immediately did a re-assessment of the woman, then did it again to be sure. “Oh then I have plenty to talk about with you. I am, of course, the Fabulous Imp, and I happen to be Jack’s art teacher! I’m pleased to meet you!”
Debra Carlyle laughed, shaking her head. “So you’re the cute teacher with the best sense of humor ever? I can see why he likes you.”
Imp, for once, was at a loss for words. Except for the occasional oddball uttering of amazing taste, the only person who said things remotely like that to her was Chickenhawk. “I believe we will get along just fine.”
Stop, my sides can't take much more, the banter between Imp and Debra is too good. And the banter continues, one of the funniest scenes of banter ever. Ouch, Imp jealous of Jack because his mother stood by him and hers didn't.Imp, for her part, watched with amusement as the various parents getting off the bus looked nervous about the seeming raptor attack. “Don’t worry ladies and gentlemen, the boy is safe, it wasn’t Dingos this time!”
Debra snorted back a laugh as the furtive glances shot back to the obviously GSD Imp. “Oh God, if he’s learning from you, he’s going to be impossible when he gets home, you know that, right?
“I am shocked. Simply shocked that you would imply that!” Imp put her hands on her hips. “Your son was impossible before we met. I really can’t push him any further off that edge. Believe me, I’ve tried!”
Natalie Mahren at the memorial park, at the memorial for Erik Mahren and his fiance.
Now there is great symbolism for who Erik was. Who is the average man who showed up to talk to her, one of Fubar's projections or someone else?The Poison Oak representing her son seemed someone’s horrible idea of a bad joke until Carson explained it. Toxic, sure, her boy had been a baseline who had been the terror of many students, and viciously protective of those he cared about, including said children. The circle of the poisonous plant was representative of how he chose to live, as a shield against the things that would do harm.
Only two severe burnouts last year, one of them shouldn't have happened.
And we can only hope his replacement comes even close.“Kids didn’t much like him, except the Hooligans and the Grunts. Erik had a knack for knowing how and when to cut loose and just be scary. He was officially on paper a Teacher’s Aide because he didn’t have teaching credentials, but in reality he ran Range 4 like it was a Marine Drill Range. We never had an accident on his watch.”
Fear and hope, the two big things which can hold us back from doing something.“A better question is ‘why didn’t I divorce or stab him for disowning my son?” She turned away from the memorial marker. “And the answer is because I was afraid, and I still had hope.” The disgusted tone followed her as Louis Geintz watched a very troubled woman walk back in the direction of Hawthorne and her daughter. He followed along quietly to make sure she was safe, and because something was gnawing at him.
Team Awesome dragging their parents together to meet each other, this is going to be either great or awkward. Those poor, shellshocked parents, they should have expected something like this with a bunch of superpowered kids involved.
At least Natalie is able to help out poor Revekah's mother, dealing with this when you have only one child would be a lot.The Indian couple trying to corral Revekah “Pahelee” Chatterjee just seemed lost at the prospect of tracking everything happening at once while Shifty’s mother admonished him not to turn his fingers into spiders when he was shaking someone’s hand. She, at least, had some experience with all of this, having been a Whateley Alumnus herself. She was coping with the excited madness of children as best she could.
Anette Harper, Shifty's mother, good thing she is a Whateley alumnus.
Yikes, was wondering how Miranda manifested. Tansy there with Angelina and having to tell how she doesn't know her parents are gone, hope she is in a good place when she finally finds out. And Tansy finding out Miranda is Erik's little sister, choosing to stay with Angelina, you sometimes forget it hasn't even been a year sister Erik became Caitlin with all that has happened. Ouch, Tansy sensing Caitlin's pain.“I can only imagine. Miranda manifested by throwing a station wagon at a bear with her mind.” Natalie’s dry smile brought her attention to the Senior. “What about Angelina? You’re a bit young to be “mom.”
Janine "Deimos" Richter following Caitlin through her boiling emotions. All of them feeling Cailtin's pain through their bond, yikes.
Worse than that pain, I have no words to describe what feeling that from someone else must feel like. Janine stating all that and yet Wilson doesn't think anyone can help her.But Fury, part of both, shielded her from the reality buried in her blood-sister’s mind. And that shielding held an old, raw wound that had been ripped open wide. She knew it was old, she knew it never healed. And the barely-suppressed despairing madness cut through her like a knife, rivalling what she had felt when her sister had gone.
*eyes bug out* Sounds like anyone who deliberately ticks her off right now woudl be signing their own death warrent.“I haven’t seen this since before Cat McQuiston died on Halloween.”
In an isolated pod set in the sims and has the sim on loop, grinding on shadows to take out her anger, yikes. Over an hour and no lull, yikes, and Janine wishes to go in and face Caitlin. Call Fury, this is bad to call Fury out, plus Louis telling Wilson to let Janine go, dang.
Guess Wilson doesn't know what they went through in Austrailia still.“Motivation.” Louis just looked at him. “Outcasts have a reason to take the training extremely seriously.”
Edith Turner and Debra Carlyle leaving Kane Hall after watching Jericho help out Peeper's with his powers' downsides.
Now that is a great devise, even if it was one use.Edith smirked. “Yeah that’s pretty normal. When he manifested I found out when he’d built a contraption to heal Ryan’s busted leg. Damn thing worked, then promptly fell apart on us. That was one of the first hints that our son was a bit more special than we thought.”
Now those are parents who would die for their kids and loved ones.Mr Turner and Kieran Carlyle had to be physically restrained to keep them from running in blindly to their deaths in search of the missing children and Debra.
Mama Turner had to be tazed.
Okay, I really want a drawing of Adam sitting in Sandra's lap now. The Outcasts are certainly one of the most interesting tables in the Crystal Hall.It was a quiet, somber walk to the Crystal Hall, and inside was a massive crush of bodies seeking food and jockeying for tables. Jack, Monica and Sandra were at the table, stuffing their faces while Adam tossed eggs for his brother to catch in his mouth from Sandra’s serpentine lap.
Hehehe, should have known that about Monica.Debra smirked as Edith leaned over. “Don’t let her fool you. She’s the polite one, Sandra’s the good one.”
And it sounds like the mothers are going to arrange a reunion, oh boy.“Caitlin’s Mom is on campus, with her baby sister. They’ve had some… rough patches, and haven’t really reconciled and Caitlin’s face isn’t one her mom would recognize anymore,” Monica looked over at the table where Miranda and her “Team Awesome” buddies were regaling their parents with stories.
“So she can’t… Oh shit.” Debra looked at Edith, and both traded a worried look. “Where is she right now?”
Janine in the sims now, most bodies having been shot so Caitlin hasn't gone full rager like she did against Hank and Hippy yet.
That scenario sounds like a nightmare alright, 10 minutes unseen or you end up laying broken on the ground.The dead men wore uniforms ranging from the jackbooted SS wannabes of Wulfin the Purifier’s stable of minions to the wrecked blade wheels of Reaper. There was little rhyme or reason to the mayhem, with Klansmen standing shoulder to shoulder with insurgents. It didn’t seem to matter what face they wore so long as they were recognizable as evil, and the enemy.
Good, can't sense simulated emotive output, that would make sims a lot worse for receptive empaths. And Caitlin being slowly worn down by the mob, yikes.
Now this is a real nightmare.Caitlin had no quiet space, no one she could really relate to at her own level, someone who had been through everything she had, who she could share with, trust with her demons.
At this point I think only Janine could have helped her, no matter how much her other friends would have wished to.Janine walked up behind the battered sister, kneeling and putting her arms around Caitlin, and pulling her tight, projecting comfort and calm at her sister as the battered woman wracked sobs, finally letting go of the bloody-minded fury.
Epic doesn't even begin to cover it. Finally Caitlin can let it all out, thank you for this, it has been too long coming. Both of them changed that much by the experience, how could they begin to explain it to anyone else. And Butcher's Row, hope this is the start of making the public knows what the MCO did there.The world seemed to ripple inward, and the pair vanished, and Fury Screamed as she erupted into the sims, then reality tore, and she found herself between two empty simulator pods, out of the virtual system as her conjoined minds processed everything that had been released in a blind instant of vulnerability, and she lived two lives side-by-side in the span of an instant with her own, bridging the gap of age, experience and emotion in a flash that lasted only an instant, but within her mind took on the march of years.
For that brief instant, Caitlin, Phobos and Fury lived all three lives from start to finish… and understood. Then she winked out of existence, disgorging Caitlin and Janine back into reality.
At least talking to Bellows is helping, father the focal point of her rage, heck I've met the guy I want to deck him one for all he has done to his own children.
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't, so just do it.“Tell her about Caitlin, and you betray Caitlin’s trust, Don’t tell her and probably betray both of their trusts.”

Interesting expression there.“I’m tempted to say when the apple fell from the tree it grabbed onto a lower branch and held on out of sheer defiance,” Liz said in a deadpan voice.
We all could use friends like that in our lives which Caitlin gained in the Outcasts.“I don’t think I’ll ever look at an MCO agent the same way ever again, or feel the desire to join the military…” She just stared at Caitlin with her three eyes, a sadness creeping in. “How the hell did you do it? Keep going after all of that…”
I'm glad to hear someone say that.“Trauma is Trauma, Janine, doesn’t matter what caused it. Nightmares? Check. Issues with feeling like your life isn’t worth a shit? Check. Can’t stop dwelling on shit you should be able to let go but can’t? The scale doesn’t matter… It all just… hurts. Doesn’t mean you should feel you have less of a right to need help to recover than I do or something.”
Great, Caitlin doesn't wish to talk to her mom, thinking she would just make things worse, *sigh*
Adam is just too adorable and glad to hear Jack has a polaroid of her expression.“A slinky ride?” Deimos’ eyes, all three of them, went wide. “Oh God I’d pay money to see her reaction to that!”
“Jack has a polaroid photo of her expression. It’s priceless. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone with an expression that baffled and confused.”
Bwahahaha, thinking they cloned Sandra because of Sapphire's 3 little sisters, priceless. Ouch, all three dogpilling Sandra and Opal saying that about Sapphire. Glad to see their mother chew those three out, Sapphire doesn't deserve there teasing.“Aunt Sandra! Is that your mom??? Are those your sisters?” The six-year-old was pointing at something.
Diamondback followed Adam’s pointed finger and her jaw just dropped with a “what the fu…”
“Sandra!” Debra called out. “Please don’t teach my son to cuss.”
Jericho stopped and his head slowly turned to what Sandra was looking at even though he didn’t need to. “Son of a bi…”
“Joe!” His mother barked out. “Watch your mouth now.”
It was at that moment that Jack “forgot” his vodor was on, signing rapidly. -FUCK ME THEY CLONED SANDRA.-
“JACK!” Debra threw her hands skyward. She didn’t need to look to see her oldest child was grinning horrifically.
Does that mean Sandra is going to be bigger as she gets older, oh boy. And Adam once again showing how fearless he is, just so adorable.“I was where you are once,” the larger naga said. “My name is Ebon, and I’m guessing you know Sapphire.”
Jack and Monica in a poking contest with each other, goofballs too fun to watch. Introductions done, including Sandra teasing Jack and Monica, hehe. And only Jack's mother can thwack his hand for signing and being a smartass with it. And Adam is off to see Aunt Cait, wish Ebon, Sapphire and 3 little sisters head off to see Imp, this will be interesting.
Slithering lessons so she can be more graceful and faster, Sandra is already a force, with these lessons she will be a nightmare for bullies everywhere.As the serpentine family slithered away, Sapphire turned to Diamond. “I’m sorry if I’ve been a bit weird, but I lost… and you got…” she looked at Diamond’s tail, and at her family.”
“Trade you.” Sandra deadpanned.
“In a heartbeat if I could.” Sapphire did look at her critically. “After all this is done though, I really need to teach you how to slither properly.”
“I didn't realize I was doing it wrong.”
“No offense, but you slither like a toddler. You should be a lot more graceful. And faster.”
Seriously, my ribs are hurting from laughing so hard. Love Debra even more than before, a mom with a sense of humor. Caitlin not LOUD to Sandra's empathic sense, whoa.Caitlin walked up to Jack, with a giggling Adam held in one hand, dangling by the ankle. “Lose something?”
-Hey! That’s my lunch!- Jack signed.
“No I’m not, I’m your brother!”
“Kinda small and squirmy. You sure you couldn’t have found a better meal?” Debra asked in a deadpan to everyone else’s semi-shocked looks. “What? Jack’s still MY son!”
And here is coming, the reunion scene thanks to Carson and with the help of Miranda, love Miranda's description of Louis, so adorable. Natalie wishes to meet Louis, but he shows up in psychic projection form, at least she gets to thank him for helping out Miranda so much. And Carson about to reveal some secrets, hope Natalie takes it well.
“We’re borrowing a student RA’s room while she’s out because she has the only monitor kit capable of playing this video set that isn’t already in use.” Carson looked at Natalie oddly. “Before we begin, please understand that I did not show you these things earlier because my first loyalty and protection goes to students and my staff. I had to be sure that Erik’s estrangement from you wasn’t a mutual thing.”
Own husband gaslighting them to keep Erik away and seperated from his family, ugh. After realizing all this she has great self-control to keep her rage in check in front of Miranda.“What I mean is I believe someone was gaslighting you and your son. His next of kin contact number for you is off by one digit from what you provided, so he could not call you. One of our psych doctors confirmed that he had sent home letters with contact information, but never received any calls, nor notifications of any. He gave up after his first year.”
Security feed from inside the armory the night Erik manifested fully and became Caitlin, yikes. And now footage from Range 4 where it happened, surprised anything survived that was within even a thousand feet of that range, would think the explosive transformation would have sent out an EMP.
Okay, I got goosebumps reading all that, most detailed description of what happened ever.The camera switched and she saw the technicolor mass charge through the brush, the foliage twisting and burning, warped by the energy, turning to ice, or just exploding as he passed. The madness continued for a few seconds before a multicolored flare erupted outward like an explosion formed of a tornado and consumed the surroundings in flickers of insanity. The camera was devoured.
The camera flickered back on at a different angle, showing the epicenter of the devastation, yet somehow did not wink out. It showed the beginning of the final eruption, then the maelstrom of energy sped up as the time fast-forward through a scene straight out of someone’s vision of Hell, skipping ten minutes in thirty seconds.
As the energy faded, the image was one that was surreal. A blue-crystal plate with striking stone runes surrounded the figure lying naked on the ground. It was very different from the man who had run in, with pale skin, softer features… and metallic, black, long hair. She looked like any young woman might between eighteen and twenty-five, with the visible muscles of a girl who worked out in a way that complemented the body rather than drifting into looking like a guy.
Natalie shaking, upset because everyone thinks Erik is dead.
And trading her life for those she loves, I would do it in a heartbeat myself.“Everyone had to think he is dead. That transformation is known, and it is one that has been consistently made a slave over and over through time because of what she can do. We could not allow someone to draw a line from who she is now to Erik Mahren. There are people who would cheerfully have taken your whole family to force her to submit, used her old identity to lock and bind her. Your oldest child is a target, Mrs. Mahren, and I am only telling you now because its becoming clear that your estrangement was created by a third party.”
And hopefully her mother can snap her out of doing that already. Oh boy, Miranda said Caitlin was there only after she had opened the door already.“By doing what Erik always did with problems he couldn’t change, by ignoring it as much as possible.”
Natalie frowned slightly, concerned and miffed. That DID sound like her son.
Really, Carson, you gave the task of warning you when Caitlin was near to her little sister, what did you expect to happen. Miranda having to get her mother to realize it isn't a dream, seeing someone you think is dead back would be a huge shock, even with the video as evidence. Dang, got me tearing up Natalie as she rushes to hug Caitlin.Carson just looked over at the nine-year old imp looking at her with a wry, evil smirk. “Et tu Miranda?”
“I have no idea what you’re talking about,” came the youngest Mahren’s reply, though the creeping grin told the tale.
Finally, after the only sounds were Natalie’s desperate apologies, she finally found her voice. “God Mom I missed you.”
This was a story I've been waiting for, to see Caitlin reunited with her mother and realize they still love each other and have been lied to all these years by his bastard of a father, gaslighted by him to keep Erik apart from his own mother and sisters. I loved how Carson help Caitlin when she first told her, sometime the only thing you can do to help is hold someone and let them know they are not alone. Janine rushing to help Caitlin in the sims, that epic scene of them seeing all of each other's lives like that, and the stronger bond they now share was perfect. And this final scene, of Natalie being told the truth about being her own husband gaslighting her and Erik all these years, to seeing the video, and then their reunion, it actually brought tears to my eyes to see Caitlin finally having her family outside of the Outcasts back.
The scenes with Jack and Adam were great as always, loved Debra and Imp's banter with each other about Jack, and Sapphire's family getting to meet Diamondback, the misunderstanding being cleared up, all wonderful. Jack's line about them having cloned Sandra was too funny. I can't wait to read more of the Outcasts, Team Awesome, and hope to see more of Caitlin spending time with her mother and Miranda in the future.
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Jericho would disown her if that happened.Kristin Darken wrote: Put her in Wondercute.


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But glad you're liking the story so far. I could leave you all on that emotional cliffhanger, and let you wonder...
Or I can write the third act as planned.
mmmmm, inducing outrage looks tempting...
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- Asshole male DNA-donor
- active military service (most veterans have issues; Caitlin has issues on top of issues on top of more issues)
- That night in Australia long ago
- Butcher Row
- Halloween 2006
- Reaper
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Miranda hears it all. Carson has this whole thing worked out, even planning to give the family a moment alone to reconcile, using Miranda to finally tell Natalie. Except...Miranda also brought Cait up to speed. Wrongs had been made, but it gave off the impression that there will be no further breaches of trust. That made me smile.
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Valentine wrote: What are we going to do with a not unhappy Caitlin?
Why would Caitlin be happy now? She has one issue that haunted her that could begin to heal. A decade of suicidal rage is not going to resolve itself from learning that some waste of good oxygen lied to everybody. It just means that doctor Bellows finally can start with the healing.
None of this addresses the dozens, thousands of other issues that are still crushing Caitlin down. The things she did in the army, as a dragonslayer. The things she learned (like Butcher's Row) and had to keep silent about. The fact that the army could at any moment decide that she was a security issue and send some CIA operatives after her.
And then there are all the past lives as near soulless slave where she worked for uncaring Sidhe, morally conflicted but ruthlessly expiditious inquisitors and horrifyingly evil abominations, creating weapons and armour that should not exist.
I don't think we are running out of traumas for Caitlin any time soon.
And after that there is still the ruthless humans and the evil abominations that will do just about anything to get an artificer under control. The tattoos are a convenient way to destroy the sense of self and enslave an emerging one, but a fool's circle and mental enslavement spell will do just as well as Hekate has shown (as long as you don't get greedy and cocky and try to renew the spell and enslave a Sidhe queen at the same time while leaving a crazy devisor run amock through your base)
At some point Caitlin may want to deal with the trauma caused by Butcher's Row, which opens a whole new can of worms.
I don't think we are running out of other causes for exciting adventures for our favourite ball of rage either.
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Not unhappy≠ happy, though as Diamondback noticed, she wasn't internally raging like normal after Dimes got to her, in addition many though not all of the actions of the Dragonslayer unit seem to be in the process of being declassified and they are even receiving pardons for some of their more gruesome actions. That isn't the kind of thing that happens when the brass has any intention of tying up loose ends.Erianaiel wrote:
Valentine wrote: What are we going to do with a not unhappy Caitlin?
Why would Caitlin be happy now? She has one issue that haunted her that could begin to heal. A decade of suicidal rage is not going to resolve itself from learning that some waste of good oxygen lied to everybody. It just means that doctor Bellows finally can start with the healing.
None of this addresses the dozens, thousands of other issues that are still crushing Caitlin down. The things she did in the army, as a dragonslayer. The things she learned (like Butcher's Row) and had to keep silent about. The fact that the army could at any moment decide that she was a security issue and send some CIA operatives after her.
And then there are all the past lives as near soulless slave where she worked for uncaring Sidhe, morally conflicted but ruthlessly expiditious inquisitors and horrifyingly evil abominations, creating weapons and armour that should not exist.
I don't think we are running out of traumas for Caitlin any time soon.
And after that there is still the ruthless humans and the evil abominations that will do just about anything to get an artificer under control. The tattoos are a convenient way to destroy the sense of self and enslave an emerging one, but a fool's circle and mental enslavement spell will do just as well as Hekate has shown (as long as you don't get greedy and cocky and try to renew the spell and enslave a Sidhe queen at the same time while leaving a crazy devisor run amock through your base)
At some point Caitlin may want to deal with the trauma caused by Butcher's Row, which opens a whole new can of worms.
I don't think we are running out of other causes for exciting adventures for our favourite ball of rage either.
Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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Sir Lee wrote: I don't think we are in any danger of having an annoyingly happy Caitlin skipping around the school pathways and applying for Wondercute. Yes, she got back something she considered lost and can begin healing (it takes time) from that specific trauma. But she has a whole boatload of other trauma to deal with. Need I give a partial list?
- Asshole male DNA-donor
- active military service (most veterans have issues; Caitlin has issues on top of issues on top of more issues)
- That night in Australia long ago
- Butcher Row
- Halloween 2006
- Reaper
Speaking of the top item on that list, i suspect a double wammy of divorce papers and restraining orders, the later for his own protection (and argument for self defense if he violates them) So now that Evil Incarnate, Chibi Evil and Apocalyptic Evil are all together, (since I am assuming that the middle sister is more normal for a Mahren) will Plain Evil be brought into the picture?
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mhalpern wrote: Not unhappy≠ happy, though as Diamondback noticed, she wasn't internally raging like normal after Dimes got to her, in addition many though not all of the actions of the Dragonslayer unit seem to be in the process of being declassified and they are even receiving pardons for some of their more gruesome actions. That isn't the kind of thing that happens when the brass has any intention of tying up loose ends.
The dragonslayers lived for a long time with a delayed death sentance above their head and being denied the mental healthcare they desperately needed.
Some of their story getting declassified is not going to lessen the damage that was done.
And I do not believe that any of the dragonslayers (except probably one) is ready to forget or forgive themselves for what they did.. Caitlin most certainly is not.
Before too long Caitlin will start building up that rage, as she has not learned to develop a normal coping mechanism (and no, by no stretch of imagination can the Outcast Corner be considered normal). Hopefully she now finally will allow herself to accept the professional help she is offered and she desperately needs
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Caitlin is now likely to be more social, less stomping around. She's going to still be aggressive, ornery, flippant, and troublesome. She is less likely to slip into the crushing despair she was in when Dimes pulled her out.
She is likely to start plotting the demise of the MCO.
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Pearson is lying through her teeth about why the dragonslayers went through the wringer they did. But she's lying because she feels that as their Commanding Officer, what happened to them is her fault.
she is militarily correct, not right.
Project equalizer was an accident born of a few lucky wins on a routine Western Pacific deployment. there were a few mutants taken out by a small team of men, three relar grunt machinegunners and a battalion recon team (not to be confused with Marine Force Recon).
The Corps recognized that these encounters had strained the marines involved and transferred them to M-SOC to develop and refine general anti-mutant tactics that could be taught to Marine Infantry en masse.
What happened was someone with clearance bypassed pearson entirely and began cutting mission orders, sending them back into the fray against high-value mutant targets over and over. To include bypassing SOCOM channels for these special operations.
most of the trauma held by worm, heckel, jeckel and hijacker is survivors guilt, pure and simple. they lived, but they buries too many marines on their missions.
Pearson finally had to mind control entire sections of personnel staff and medically discharge them before the orders to deny them their discharges came through.
Even so she was unable to track the orders back. So she has no idea who did this, who used her marines this way. so militarily, she is correct. its her fault.
the other part is they were transferred to a unit full of mutants. after being sent out nonstop to kill people like your coworkers, how long would it take to strain the relationship? How long would you be able to look them in the eye?
I know from dealing with veteran family members, once you are conditioned to see a group as an enemy, its incredibly hard to maintain your focus and stay within the integrated reality most western nations try to provide.
And Pearson, being a psychic pushing the range of miranda, fubar and others got to feel all of the nightmare they had gone through, knowing that their orders as presented were to keep her out of the loop on their mission details.
So she knows firsthand how that team has suffered. but there are limits to what even a powerful psi can find out, especially if she is scrupulous and does her best to respect the privacy and sanctity of other peoples' thoughts.
A lot of the whys and hows and why pearson doesnt just TELL THEM will not and will never make sense to anyone who has not served in the military. It simply is. Just like pearson underestimated Mahren and whateley when she vehemently recommended he not be hired due to the high likelihood of him having a meltdown.
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If Pearson told them, likely nothing would stop them from getting revenge.
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while it is true only certain people have access, you'd be shocked at how long a paper chain for routed orders, even classified ones, can be.
It gets WORSE if Branches are crossed.
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(By the way, a while ago I figured that Ringo's codename is probably mispelled; shouldn't it be Ring0, like in "Ring Zero", which is a computer architecture term for the highest elevated privilege a program can run?)
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It does mean no one will suddenly decide they are a security threat,which is one less thing to worry aboutErianaiel wrote:
mhalpern wrote: Not unhappy≠ happy, though as Diamondback noticed, she wasn't internally raging like normal after Dimes got to her, in addition many though not all of the actions of the Dragonslayer unit seem to be in the process of being declassified and they are even receiving pardons for some of their more gruesome actions. That isn't the kind of thing that happens when the brass has any intention of tying up loose ends.
The dragonslayers lived for a long time with a delayed death sentance above their head and being denied the mental healthcare they desperately needed.
Some of their story getting declassified is not going to lessen the damage that was done.
And I do not believe that any of the dragonslayers (except probably one) is ready to forget or forgive themselves for what they did.. Caitlin most certainly is not.
Before too long Caitlin will start building up that rage, as she has not learned to develop a normal coping mechanism (and no, by no stretch of imagination can the Outcast Corner be considered normal). Hopefully she now finally will allow herself to accept the professional help she is offered and she desperately needs
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You'd have to look for motive, who felt threatened or thought they would get a promotion out of it, you don't try to burn out an elite unit for nothing, and desperation seems an unlikely motive.JG wrote: They would have to figure out who could have pulled it.
while it is true only certain people have access, you'd be shocked at how long a paper chain for routed orders, even classified ones, can be.
It gets WORSE if Branches are crossed.
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Are we absolutely certain that the person who managed to bypass the normal chain of command, who probably knew the identities of the Dragon Slayers will not decide that now that they are all at Whateley that they have not become an absolute threat to 'his'* existence.mhalpern wrote:
It does mean no one will suddenly decide they are a security threat,which is one less thing to worry aboutErianaiel wrote:
mhalpern wrote: Not unhappy≠ happy, though as Diamondback noticed, she wasn't internally raging like normal after Dimes got to her, in addition many though not all of the actions of the Dragonslayer unit seem to be in the process of being declassified and they are even receiving pardons for some of their more gruesome actions. That isn't the kind of thing that happens when the brass has any intention of tying up loose ends.
The dragonslayers lived for a long time with a delayed death sentance above their head and being denied the mental healthcare they desperately needed.
Some of their story getting declassified is not going to lessen the damage that was done.
And I do not believe that any of the dragonslayers (except probably one) is ready to forget or forgive themselves for what they did.. Caitlin most certainly is not.
Before too long Caitlin will start building up that rage, as she has not learned to develop a normal coping mechanism (and no, by no stretch of imagination can the Outcast Corner be considered normal). Hopefully she now finally will allow herself to accept the professional help she is offered and she desperately needs
*Note: Me saying his in this case does not mean that I discount the possibility that the person who did this was female. I just use his in the generic sense that I wanted to shortcut the whole his or her thing.
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Sir Lee wrote: You know, if Pearson chose to confide the situation to, say, a certain age-regressed and sex-changed admiral... it's scary how much hacking power resides in Whateley. Between Hive, Hartford, Merry and Ring0/Blue, if something is online, they probably can trace it. Given Merry's technopathy, I wouldn't trust even air-gapped computers.
As JG said: different branches.
Even if different branches weren't involved, there's the question of whether retired Admiral Everheart, teaching in a civilian school, would be seen as having any need to know, whether she has the necessary level of clearance or not.
Even then, don't think for a second that a US Navy Admiral would hand classified information over to civilians who don't answer to the DoD and don't have the training and clearance and established need to know. That's the stuff that makes for espionage and/or treason charges.
Whateley Universe or not, it's very OOC.
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It does mean that it will be harder for them to use official resources to do so, however going after Whateley or anyone there to quote S12 of RvB "is suicide and a bunch of puppies dying" The fact that they put a long paper trail between them and their actions shows they have some self preservation instincts,Anne wrote:
Are we absolutely certain that the person who managed to bypass the normal chain of command, who probably knew the identities of the Dragon Slayers will not decide that now that they are all at Whateley that they have not become an absolute threat to 'his'* existence.mhalpern wrote:
It does mean no one will suddenly decide they are a security threat,which is one less thing to worry aboutErianaiel wrote:
mhalpern wrote: Not unhappy≠ happy, though as Diamondback noticed, she wasn't internally raging like normal after Dimes got to her, in addition many though not all of the actions of the Dragonslayer unit seem to be in the process of being declassified and they are even receiving pardons for some of their more gruesome actions. That isn't the kind of thing that happens when the brass has any intention of tying up loose ends.
The dragonslayers lived for a long time with a delayed death sentance above their head and being denied the mental healthcare they desperately needed.
Some of their story getting declassified is not going to lessen the damage that was done.
And I do not believe that any of the dragonslayers (except probably one) is ready to forget or forgive themselves for what they did.. Caitlin most certainly is not.
Before too long Caitlin will start building up that rage, as she has not learned to develop a normal coping mechanism (and no, by no stretch of imagination can the Outcast Corner be considered normal). Hopefully she now finally will allow herself to accept the professional help she is offered and she desperately needs
*Note: Me saying his in this case does not mean that I discount the possibility that the person who did this was female. I just use his in the generic sense that I wanted to shortcut the whole his or her thing.
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Erik's father is that type of person. Natalie didn't realize that she hit the hammer right on the head when she called him a narcissist.
But wounds can heal, scars can fade. And as to Erik's father? We shall see. But spoiler: there won't be reconciliation there. But there might not be vendetta either. I haven't decided yet.
Besides, to a narcissist, the cruelest, most horrifically unimaginable thing possible is to be ignored, to be considered unimportant. Food for thought.
But you never know. Natalie might actually drick out and shoot him or something

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null0trooper wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: You know, if Pearson chose to confide the situation to, say, a certain age-regressed and sex-changed admiral... it's scary how much hacking power resides in Whateley. Between Hive, Hartford, Merry and Ring0/Blue, if something is online, they probably can trace it. Given Merry's technopathy, I wouldn't trust even air-gapped computers.
As JG said: different branches.
Even if different branches weren't involved, there's the question of whether retired Admiral Everheart, teaching in a civilian school, would be seen as having any need to know, whether she has the necessary level of clearance or not.
Even then, don't think for a second that a US Navy Admiral would hand classified information over to civilians who don't answer to the DoD and don't have the training and clearance and established need to know. That's the stuff that makes for espionage and/or treason charges.
Whateley Universe or not, it's very OOC.
There are some mitigating circumstances her for the Admiral and Dragonslayers. First Adm. Everhart was in command of these Marines at one point. Two, only Caitlin is a civilian, the others were reinstated and returned to their previous ranks. Three between Hive, Ringo, Cyberkitty, Hartford, and Whisper, those orders better not be stored anywhere on a computer.
Imagine Seal Team 6 being given orders to kill binLaden, Kim in North Korea, the head of Iran's nuclear program, the Russian Commander in the Ukraine, some random kid in Virginia, Maduro in Venezuela, the heads of three drug cartels, all in a matter of months, all the orders bypassing their CO. The Dragonslayer's operation tempo was insane.
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And that is the rub. I can't see Everhart getting them involved at all even if she were officially or unofficially involved. Now on the other hand, if General Pearson figures out who Everhart was, she might drop a hint in her ear to ask what Sam thought of the deployment tempo for the Dragon Slayers. If Hive gets curious she might check to see if there is an IG in either the Navy or the Marines or the DoD working on the issue. If not she might see if she can poke someone about the issue with an anonymous letter saying that she has just seen these items that were declassified and is curious as to what that person's thoughts on the issue are.null0trooper wrote: Hartford, Merry and Ring0/Blue really are civilians, and they don't have military ranks to go back to.
The thing is that I doubt Sam was the commandant of the Seals program so even though she was probably a Rear Admiral (lower half) {If I recall Navy ranks correctly...} She may not have been considered much more than a very senior operative. Or commander of a single group rather than a part of the workings of the Naval bureaucracy as a whole.
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null0trooper wrote: Hartford, Merry and Ring0/Blue really are civilians, and they don't have military ranks to go back to.
I think you misread the earlier statement (as I did the first time I read it). It was not saying they were among the wronged service members. It was saying that if the rather unusual talent pool at Whateley chose to get involved in the matter (on behalf of those wronged service members), no records on any computer (anywhere) would be safe from them.
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null0trooper wrote: Hartford, Merry and Ring0/Blue really are civilians, and they don't have military ranks to go back to.
I think you misread the earlier statement (as I did the first time I read it). It was not saying they were among the wronged service members. It was saying that if the rather unusual talent pool at Whateley chose to get involved in the matter (on behalf of those wronged service members), no records on any computer (anywhere) would be safe from them.
No. In response to my post, Valentine was suggesting that Pearson or Everheart would automatically involve the Dragonslayers in the investigation even though they may not be trained for such investigations and are working as instructors and security guards at a civilian high school that also hosts active agents for criminal organizations and foreign powers.
The idea that they would be stupid and reckless enough to leak that investigation to civilians outside the investigation - regardless of talent - is still OOC on the order of describing them as coming to work wearing bus driver blues.
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it did not happen to one of their instructors or personnel, while employed, on their watch.
Neutrality means whateley is NEUTRAL.
Hartford will go after that mystery on the 32nd day of nevervember. internal military issues are just that.
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null0trooper wrote:
joreymay wrote:
null0trooper wrote: Hartford, Merry and Ring0/Blue really are civilians, and they don't have military ranks to go back to.
I think you misread the earlier statement (as I did the first time I read it). It was not saying they were among the wronged service members. It was saying that if the rather unusual talent pool at Whateley chose to get involved in the matter (on behalf of those wronged service members), no records on any computer (anywhere) would be safe from them.
No. In response to my post, Valentine was suggesting that Pearson or Everheart would automatically involve the Dragonslayers in the investigation even though they may not be trained for such investigations and are working as instructors and security guards at a civilian high school that also hosts active agents for criminal organizations and foreign powers.
The idea that they would be stupid and reckless enough to leak that investigation to civilians outside the investigation - regardless of talent - is still OOC on the order of describing them as coming to work wearing bus driver blues.
No, that is not what I said. I did not suggest that Dragonslayers become involved in the investigation. They themselves wouldn't get involved, because they don't know what to do, and they are all smart enough to know that. They do have access to Ms. Hartford, Ring0, Cyberkitty, Whisper, Hive, and the rest of Whateley. It would be possible for them to trade favors or "solids" to find out who was sending the orders. Then they would do what they are good at. Any "investigation" done by these people would be illegal.
The Dragonslayers hate Pearson because they think she sent them out on all those missions, at least partially. If she told them that some mysterious REMF issued a bunch of the orders, they aren't going to care about any official investigation Pearson is conducting. They are going to use whatever assets they have access to, to find the REMF.
Pearson isn't telling because she knows what their reaction would be. Any person she has recruited to help her find the REMF issuing the orders is likely well vetted. Pearson may or may not involve Hive at some point, I am not sure if Pearson knows who Hive is. Pearson's investigation is to, presumably, end up with her legally hammering the REMF. If that fails she might leak the info to Prison Bitch.
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Loved Saphire's family moment, and I wanna see the sisters come to the school.
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Cryptic wrote: Now i really wanna know more about Butcher's Row.
Did you ever read Rose Bunny's micro-scene about finding Host pinned to a tree? ( here ) It might be kind of grimdark like that.
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One thing we know from Caitlin is that they were (and in certain cases {like Tennyo and if I'm not mistaken Fey... among others} currently) are issuing DFAs. A DFA is in essence a death sentence with no investigation as to cause of death since the person on whom it has been issued is considered a deadly force and can be killed for snarking at a police officer (okay maybe that is an exaggeration but not much of one...) or something even less overtly confrontational.Kettlekorn wrote: Yeah, my guess is that the MCO was caught vivisecting mutants, and maybe some other Dr. Mengele shit.
So you could say that Caitlin pretty much has an intention to dismantle the MCO if she can.
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Kettlekorn wrote: Yes, I am aware of the DFAs. What does that have to do with speculation about Butcher's Row? Those are part of an entirely separate (and apparently much tamer) atrocity.
IIRC, it was before Caitlin's MID interview ("Call of Thunder") that Butcher's Row was first mentioned.
After the DFA, the MCO's behavior w/r/t placing red-letter death warrants on MIDs issued to interesting or inconvenient minors with no priors suggests to Eldritch that the bonesaw boys were back in town and setting up shop.
This was Dog #4 (sicced on the MCO):
Caitlin pulled out a piece of paper and unfolded it carefully. The paper was blank, but she wanted to make it look like she was an actual messenger. “First message, M-SOC Naval, whoever is in command, Warning Alert, code Bravo-Seven-Hijacker. Delta Sierra, SOC. The MCO is issuing DFA’s to minor citizens of the USA, Whateley Academy students have been targeted, very likely others as well. Butcher’s Row is starting again.”
“How do you know authentication codes? How did you know how to find me?”
Caitlin grinned. “Look lady, I don’t know what the hell this is all about, I’m just following instructions left in Erik Mahren’s last will and testament.”
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Kettlekorn wrote: Yes, I am aware of the DFAs. What does that have to do with speculation about Butcher's Row? Those are part of an entirely separate (and apparently much tamer) atrocity.
We don't actually know what Butcher's Row was, nor do we know anything about the scale. Other than that it involved murdering mutant children. Whether or not that also included putting DFA tags on the MID of minors also is unanswerable at this time.
We have some origin stories that suggest that the MCO had, and has, secret extermination camps where mutant minors are abducted to for experimentation and execution. But this is mostly assumptions by the mutant community, not hard fact. The stories where it is treated as fact are, I think, non-canon.
Whether or not this is what Butcher's Row was remains to be revealed. If that ever happens. Noodle incidents (the trope that is, not the Whateley one) tend to work better if they never get revealed no matter how much the fans beg

And after all, Butcher's Row can refer to a place, a code name for a program or a process (which would be cynical to an unparallelled degree).
The bigger question than what exactly Butcher's Row as, I think, is how is the MCO allowed to still exist and operate in the USA (and other civilised countries) when it is known, and apparently there is hard evidence available to the USA military, that the organisation engaged in genocide and / or ethnic cleansing.
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The reason they are still allowed to exist?
Entirely politics. Because of reasons that the army and air force disagree with the Navy and Marines on. There's a long-standing argument there, and until it resolves, or a president/congress override the orders?
They sit on it.
Doesn't mean that the US military never expressed its displeasure with the situation. The MCO had a REALLY rough year that had nothing to do with an uptick in mutant violence worldwide.
Its also the reason the military has MMID, and the US government reserves sole right of arrest and prosecution of said MMID holders. Legally, the MCO must call MPs if they pick up an MMID holder for any reason, and turn all evidence to federal law enforcement.
The MCO doesnt like it when MMID holders go missing. The military and DPA dont ask them if they're holding the personnel. They simply go in and remove any mutant in the cells anywhere in reach of the base, no matter what the reason they are there for ID and processing, just in case.
Its not a common occurrance... but it has happened on very rare occasions, and genuine supervillains generally find the US military extremely unpleasant to have to deal with on any level, for any reason that doesnt involve them holding the upper hand.
And since the MCO is an international law enforcement, not US, the MCO can't legally refuse to remand any super powered or baseline individual to the custody of any sworn law enforcement officer in the US.
the problem is most law enforcement isnt equipped to handle them, or they are MCO fanboys.
OR... worst of all? Almost no one knows this little caveat. Even most cops do not know this. Not that most cops would, if only for safety reasons.
Because legally it is your responsibility to know the laws. Ignorance is no excuse to escape prosecution, but that coin flips fully to the other side. You cannot reasonably defend yourself if you do not know your rights.
How many people actually KNOW what their rights are?
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Not mind that a DFA tag would not make the whole idea of 'Butcher's Row' or some other such evil much easier to do, after all, if you manage to knock someone who has a DFA on their MID unconscious, just tell the local authorities that the person is dead, show the DFA card for them and walah! you now have a living body to experiment on that no one is going to ask uncomfortable questions about. Now I doubt that is the method by which they got the majority of their subjects, indeed I'd guess that the majority of their subjects are 'runaways' or other kids that they take from the cops as the 'agency that deals with mutants', and the cops are very busy not knowing what the MCO is actually doing with those kids, 'cause if they knew and had any moral objections, no matter how slight they would have to start to do something (and that might make them end up in one of those black holes where people enter but never leave) about what they knew....
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Anne wrote: ...if you manage to knock someone who has a DFA on their MID unconscious, just tell the local authorities that the person is dead, show the DFA card for them and walah! you now have a living body to experiment on that no one is going to ask uncomfortable questions about.
Bwahahaha. Ahem, no. Let's examine that just a bit closer...
"Police! Hands up! Don't move!"
"Ollie ollie oxen free! See, this guy has a DFA and I killed him! So, no need for CSI guys, no, no, don't check for a pulse! Trust me! This suckers dead. In fact, ya know what? Don't even call the coroner! I'm headed that way, I'll just run this corpse over there and...
"I said Don't move!"
"TASER! TASER! TASER!"
"Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!"
Anne wrote: Now I doubt that is the method by which they got the majority of their subjects...
Yeah, understatement, but yeah...



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Absinthe hasn't fully grasped how lucky she is right now, does she? Her father got her an MMID, and partially explained that it just keeps most of the information classified.JG wrote: Its also the reason the military has MMID, and the US government reserves sole right of arrest and prosecution of said MMID holders. Legally, the MCO must call MPs if they pick up an MMID holder for any reason, and turn all evidence to federal law enforcement.
The MCO doesnt like it when MMID holders go missing. The military and DPA dont ask them if they're holding the personnel. They simply go in and remove any mutant in the cells anywhere in reach of the base, no matter what the reason they are there for ID and processing, just in case.
All the benefits, and very few of the requirements like Whisper has.
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No Absinthe has not really realized just how much her father protected her with that move. If you were in a position to protect your kid(s) like that wouldn't you?Katssun wrote:
Absinthe hasn't fully grasped how lucky she is right now, does she? Her father got her an MMID, and partially explained that it just keeps most of the information classified.JG wrote: Its also the reason the military has MMID, and the US government reserves sole right of arrest and prosecution of said MMID holders. Legally, the MCO must call MPs if they pick up an MMID holder for any reason, and turn all evidence to federal law enforcement.
The MCO doesnt like it when MMID holders go missing. The military and DPA dont ask them if they're holding the personnel. They simply go in and remove any mutant in the cells anywhere in reach of the base, no matter what the reason they are there for ID and processing, just in case.
All the benefits, and very few of the requirements like Whisper has.
Absinthe also doesn't really quite get that there is a good deal of power in knowing the rules, both as they apply to you but also as they apply to any govt (or NGO in the case of the MCO) agency or *especially police* you may have to deal with!
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That was true at the beginning, but realizing the value in understanding and manipulating the rules has been one of the main themes of her story. She definitely gets it at this point.Anne wrote: Absinthe also doesn't really quite get that there is a good deal of power in knowing the rules, both as they apply to you but also as they apply to any govt (or NGO in the case of the MCO) agency or *especially police* you may have to deal with!
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IIRC, all the description we've got, for the noodles, is "mini-Diamondbacks", with appropriate colors, given their names...
So, they still have the flesh-tone scales on their faces?
And so does their mother, Ebon Scale? Or by "covered in black scales", you actually mean, fully covered?
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And I assume the noodles should be fully covered, too?
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Hehehe, always so adorable watching Jack running around with Adam hanging on his back. Just watching Adam's pure joy at seeing people with superpowers while at Whateley makes my day. Hhm, I wonder if Adam wishing he could shift to be like Jack after watching Shifty changing shape actually affected what his future powers would be?Parents Day, Whateley Academy
Adam hugging Monica and Janine, so many people could learn from a lot from him about not judging based on appearance. So cute, play wrestling with his big brother and then Jack tickling Adam. Hehehe, love Jack and Adam's mom, the only person who can get Jack to behave so easily.
Aww, there are worse curses to be hit with.As the Turners walked up, Debra was muttering “Of course, thanks Mum, The curse strikes.”
“Which curse is that?” Edith Turner smirked.
“May your children be just like you?” Monica helpfully supplied.
“That’s the one.”
Edith looked at her Australian counterpart quizzically. “There’s a story here.”

Ouch, Edith got a good read on Caitlin alright.
If Mrs. Carson doesn't have at least 1 gray hair by the time both Team Kimba and the Outcasts all graduate I will be very surprised. At least Noms screwing with people serves a good purpose, with what Caitlin found out recently I don't think anyone but her little sister could get near her right now without her blowing up one way or another.“Detention? For what?” Edith was looking at Noms warily.
“What? It’s not my fault! I was just writing a factual essay with citations on why the earth is flat and how science is lying about the whole “sphere thing,” she gave air quotes as she carried on in the aggrieved teenager voice. “The Science teachers are part of the conspiracy! It’s all a sham!” There was not one hint in her voice or posture that she might be joking.
If Razorback had a camera he would have ruined the moment by snapping a photo of both the Mothers’ expressions of outraged disbelief right then and there.
Jericho and Sandra both stared as Anomaly once again proved her origin as Matt Carter by distracting and drawing fire… and gleefully driving someone up the wall to do it.
Caitlin and Natalie together for the first time in over a decade and neither can think of what to say. And Caitlin having to explain why she has so much firepower, heh.
Hehe, I love Natalie, teddy bear upside the head because Caitlin says she loves explosions.“I knew the powers could be dangerous, but that bad?”
“Yes and no. It’s kinda like owning a gun. If you respect it, you understand it and you take the proper precautions, it’s just a tool, one that won’t likely have any part in an accident. Part of my job was to help the kids figure out for themselves how to respect their power, how to understand them and take proper precautions. I used the big guns as the demonstration comparison because It’s often the closest to what the kids can do or build, and I have a class three firearms license and I love explosions.”
That got a stuffed bear thrown at her.
“What the hell, where did that come from?” Caitlin picked up the stuffed bear, “I didn’t have anything like this in my room.”
“I was going to give that to your sister, later, but apparently you needed it more. Upside the head.”
Bringing up the Fire Wings, how they remind her of Cat. Prints up a photo of Cat and shows it to her mother.
It's like losing her all over again, I can feel the pain Caitlin is going through and it hurts. At least Caitlin is finally able to speak to her mother again, maybe more than one form of healing can come out of this.“She hated me when we first met. I used to joke that Stockholm Syndrome works when she finally agreed to go out with me three years ago.” Caitlin smiled slightly as her mother just stared and facepalmed. “I asked her to marry me right before the beginning of the school year last year. She said yes. She was Intense, she cared, she believed in people, in me, My Angel of Fire, and then I lost her.”
Caitlin instinctively gripped the hand that found hers. “But she’s gone, I couldn’t even bury her.”
Adam Ball using Monica's gravity manipulation, he is going to be hyper later from all the excitement and fun. Debra trying not to think of the nightmare which happened in Darwin again, Adam having nightmares because his brother and new aunts and uncles are gone, wish there was something which could help the poor kid. PTSD, anyone who survived Darwin is going to have it to one degree or another, I hope they are getting help.
Ouch, even a helicopter drone reminding them of the nightmare. Adam runs from any machine that isn't obviously controlled, so glad to see him laughing now. Kiernan helping rebuild Darwin, good, keeping busy can help.
They are a lot more traumatized than they have been letting on, though I shouldn't be surprised. Everyone copes in their own way.“Better. Sandra there stayed at our place over the summer, mostly in the basement. They hired a warper to get her in and out. She and Joe have had nightmares, hard days, but they lean on each other. With the addition of Monica things are a bit more normal, but every now and again, you can tell they’re looking off into nothing and seeing people they couldn’t save.”
Eep, Caitlin had that stare the day Debra met her, anyone who has gone through even a fraction of what she has would have untold issues.
Thank you, Edith, glad her job experience allowed her to see all this.“Leave them as they are.” Edith gave Debra a half-hug. “Good hearts are rare, especially when everyone around them calls them monsters.”
“That’s the story I’ve been trying to hold on.”
“Debra? Talk to someone. You need to get help, Adam needs help. If you can’t work through it…”
“Yeah. Kiernan has been working extra hours. He’s already set up a counselor for us.”
Sometimes asking others to help the ones you care about is the best you can do. Caitlin with her mom and Miranda, finally.And he put Edith’s words to action to match. When he let her go, he simply signed -I know you’re hurting, I just don’t know how to help.-
Oh please, we all know the native wildlife would have been too much trouble, Caitlin. Each of the moms having their own raging smartass, a good thing to start discussions on.She waved towards Natalie “This is… my Mom, Mom this is Debra and Edith, they kept me honest last christmas. Totally ruined my plans to conquer the Outback.”
I thought Miranda couldn't get more precocious and adorable, you proved me wrong. And love Natalie getting in her own crack only for Caitlin to agree, their family, excluding the father, is awesome.Caitlin had to catch herself from shooting a look and gagged down her instant response at the insinuation that “Princess Cally Mahren” was her “older” sister.
Miranda caught on and smirked evilly at her big sister, and slowly sang out “Meeeeeemmoooorrriiiiieeeesssss.”
“Lay off the Troll, brat, you are what you eat,” Caitlin said to her sister drily.
“But I learned it from watching you!” The indignant reply got everyone’s attention, and all of the Outcasts started laughing at Caitlin.
Ah, so Zack's hearing aid is out and he is trying to warn them about Jericho.
So that is how Jericho can tell what color things are, seeing eye camera.“I gave up trying to get the boy to dress normal last year,” Edith sighed.
“He does it so everyone pays attention to him and forgets that Diamondback and most of his friends have weird bodies.” Miranda said quietly, smirking slightly as Jericho grinned and tapped his nose at the young girl.
Well, someone has to be the straight person to this comedy troupe.“Why do I get the impression some days that Sandra is the most normal of the lot of you?” Debra asked no one in particular.
“She is,” came the unanimous, simultaneous reply.
Oh great, sounds like Imperious has ordered the New Olympians to gather and Prism, Tracer, and Feral haven't shown up. Heh, hanging out with their parents and Imperious wants to mess with Outcasts Corner, this creep needs taken down all the pegs. Elisabeth Masa aka Judicator only there due to Imperious' command, leaving in 10 minutes to spend time with her parents no matter what, the former Zeus needs to realize the world has gone on without him and give up his current plans.
Knickknack standing up to Imperious, need to do that more often.
The warning from Chou didn't sink in, *sigh*He was in charge, but unlike himself, Majestic, Counterpoint, Cytheria and Stygian the others had not simply overwhelmed and subsumed their hosts at childhood. His other “brother” seemed to have completely fucked off and found other things to do/be than come to Whateley or contact him entirely. It also meant that he couldn’t exert full control over the so-called “exiles” that vexed him so much.
Imperious, you just made top of the list of scum who needs taken down with that crack about the Outcast Corner. Going after Jericho for standing up to you in the Crystal Hall, you might as well have just signed your own death sentence, idiot.“It’s very simple, judicator, Knickknack, The part of you both that I do have sway over will help me, whether you like it or not. You’re going to help me demolish the group of Echidnan freaks that call themselves Outcast Corner, and put them in their place.”
Deimos having to hold Adam with all 4 arms so he won't run off into the more dangerous area, that giggling little boy must be some escape artist. Ooo, the Rafe 2 armor is completed! And it sounds awesome, field trials with security next month, that was fast. He had Lanie and Spider's help with the gravity plating tech, no wonder it was finished so fast. I wish something like this armor existing in the real world, so much it could do for emergency personnel and life-saving.Devisor Labs
Custom frame for each unit.
Well their father wouldn't be a paramedic if he didn't know his stuff. Aww, poor Adam is bored, bet it won't be for long. So glad Caitlin took MIranda's hand, all those emotions around her, all those new people, I can only imagine how overwhelmed it was beginning to feel.“Servos on the inside of the knees look like they’re too close to skin contact, wrong move looks like they could contact the knees and do damage. Inside the glacis plate, wiring on the left side is poking through the padding, I see two exposed circuit boards with padding around them. That could be a spark hazard depending on the rating.”
*faceplams* Noms, why you have to mess with Jericho's workshop space by rearranging his tools just for fun? Hehehe, nice to see Deimos joking.
Ack, cuteness overload!“Facepalm on facepalm. You know one more facepalm and you end up with Epic Facepalm.” Deimos couldn’t resist. Adam, of course facepalmed, only to have two of deimos’ hand facepalm his facepalm, stirring a giggling fit in the little boy.
Ack, stop that, my ribs can't take too much more laughing.Jericho, of course, calmly reached into his cabinet and withdrew a squirt bottle, promptly spraying Anomaly in the face with icy water as she screamed in protest. “Bad Noms, no playing with my tool boxes!”
“Hey, hey! Dammit Joe my PK field doesn’t stop water! Quit it!”
Ah, going to the Outcast's Corner, one of the best hidden clubhouses on campus. And love the verbal password, that is so something Jericho would come up with. Aww, Edith worried Zack is hanging out with Caitlin by her drums because she can't get a read on her.
The Outcasts are part of her family, anyone who says otherwise will probably find a boot up their rear in less than a second.Debra shook her head. “We’re more worried for her. She’s been a rock for the others, but she’s got no rock to lean on herself.”
Natalie looked over, scanned the high schoolers going about their rounds. “She does, you just don’t see it.” Natalie pointed at the Outcasts in turn. “My baby was never the strongest alone, much as it seemed otherwise. I’ve never seen... her as at ease as with this pack kids right here.”
And Natalie learns about who all was caught in Reaper's attack, only brought up because she recognized Jericho Raphael Search and Rescue Armor from tv. And Edith and Nathan Turner both learn that Caitlin went after Reaper alongside Dr. Diabolik, she was willing to die to end that nightmare if need be. Pantera's "Cowboys from Hell", that is one way to change the subject quickly. And the GSD kids showing up with their families for the concert, too perfect. Thornies, Twain boys, Whitman girls, and some Poesies, who doesn't love good music.
These kids know how to have fun. Aww, at least Louis helps out Miranda rebuild her shields, hope she gets better and holding them even in large crowds. These lyrics are awesome, it is like I can hear them singing to a tempo and Sandra's voice is epic. I got goosebumps from it.Zack and Adam, and many of the younger kids, including several of Sapphire’s “Noodle” sisters tried to slamdance to the thundering beat the Outcasts set.
Aww, Adam telling Opal that, so cute. And I get what Nathan means about the song.“Damn I never thought I’d here the kids play a song about a school.” Nathan Turner laughed.
“How did you get a song about a…” Edith began. “...Nevermind.”
One by one the parents of the Outcasts, and a few other kids around the crush of mutated bodies got the joke, and as Adam innocently told Opal she was beautiful like Sandra, it was really all that mattered.
Elisa prowling outside the party, what are they planning on doing which she doesn't wish to do. So Elisa and Athena share the body, interesting. And Elisa doesn't have to obey that jackass reborn Zeus, I love loopholes like this. Counterpoint on Caitlin, definitely a fight which the Outcasts will win.
He left her too much wiggle room, goodie. Imperious expects a fair fight, with the Outcasts...bwahahahaha.“Exactly. Jason wants a war to relive his victories over the titans? Let him have it. He demands that we help him break Jericho. Awfully vague objective, that.”
Natalie thanking Carson for giving her child back to her, Carson says she just created the opportunity to Natalie to get Caitlin back. Natalie needs to find work while she divorces her husband, wishes to move closer to Whateley, good thing Carson knows people.The Day After Parent’s Day, Whateley Academy

That is a huge change for Caitlin, the healing has begun, thank you.“It’s only been a day, and I’m told that she’s becoming less painful to be around for our psychic and empathic students by the minute. You did that. You and your youngest.”
Natalie learning what Erik dealt with and how he changed since coming to Whateley, even before the change to Caitlin.
The world needs more people with that kind of training. And Natalie is a smart woman, working at Whateley can take a lot out of you.“Combat training for survival, but your daughter, and her friends have gone down a rarely travelled road. They’re on a track that focuses on search and rescue, survival training, rescue operations and humanitarian relief.”
“That’s gotta be interesting with Jack.”
“You have no idea,” Carson said drily.
Zack waking up with what seems to be superhuman hearing, hearing things for the first time and being that sensitive to sound that his own mother's voice is too much and the pain causes him to pass out, yikes. Seems Jericho's younger brother just manifest, painfully.
Great to finally see how Caitlin and Natalie reconnect after all this time and start healing some of the hurt. The jokes the moms make, Noms goofing around, Jack and Adam together, all so much goodness and fun in this story. Learning how well the Outcasts have been hiding their trauma from Darwin, I knew it was worse than expected but that is horrific, fitting what they lived through. Hearing what Adam has been going through and seeing him laughing and being his normal self again, so happy time with his brother and the Outcasts helps.
Seeing them playing a concert in Outcast's Corner and all those other GSD students and their families showing up was great. Adam is just so cute with Opal. Glad to see the Rafe 2 on its way to finally being ready for release, such a powerful tool for lifesaving operations. And curious now what kind of job Natalie will get in Boston. As for Imperious and the rest of the New Olympians, I wonder what their actual plan is and how badly it will backfire on them. Can't wait for more Outcasts goodness in the future.
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Dreamer wrote: Imperious, you just made top of the list of scum who needs taken down with that crack about the Outcast Corner. Going after Jericho for standing up to you in the Crystal Hall, you might as well have just signed your own death sentence, idiot.
Nah. He just cemented his existing position in the top ten. His pride, prejudices, and more pride ensures that he'll either fail to seek out allies outside his own little sphere, or find a way to alienate any that might have stood with him. I don't picture either Eliza or Athena wasting their time on convincing him to do otherwise (Goddess of Wisdom, not of Lost Causes)
Custom frame for each unit.Devisor Labs
If the student can't engineer the armor frame, they don't need to be playing with power armor, do they?
*faceplams* Noms, why you have to mess with Jericho's workshop space by rearranging his tools just for fun?
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Adam and Opal gets an Awwww so cute!. Sorry Dawn, but I'm shipping those two over you and Adam in G2.
And poor Zack. I really hope he doesn't become a living sound grenade.
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marie7342231 wrote: Yes, it may be awhile, but it's coming. The Artificer will get her revenge on the old gods.
Oh this gives me ideas for my Elseworlds Lympians. The OG Hekate threw a wrench into Big Z's plans, and instead of the big 12 being reborn, either 12 minor Gods are reborn or some of the 12, the less dickish of the lot, are rebon, Not Z or Hera, with minor Gods taking their places.
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Cryptic wrote:
marie7342231 wrote: Yes, it may be awhile, but it's coming. The Artificer will get her revenge on the old gods.
Oh this gives me ideas for my Elseworlds Lympians. The OG Hekate threw a wrench into Big Z's plans, and instead of the big 12 being reborn, either 12 minor Gods are reborn or some of the 12, the less dickish of the lot, are rebon, Not Z or Hera, with minor Gods taking their places.
or the major god that DIDN'T get a seat on mnt Olympus, Hades, THAT would be interesting to say the least...
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Hee, interesting idea.mhalpern wrote:
Cryptic wrote:
marie7342231 wrote: Yes, it may be awhile, but it's coming. The Artificer will get her revenge on the old gods.
Oh this gives me ideas for my Elseworlds Lympians. The OG Hekate threw a wrench into Big Z's plans, and instead of the big 12 being reborn, either 12 minor Gods are reborn or some of the 12, the less dickish of the lot, are rebon, Not Z or Hera, with minor Gods taking their places.
or the major god that DIDN'T get a seat on mnt Olympus, Hades, THAT would be interesting to say the least...
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Cryptic wrote:
Hee, interesting idea.mhalpern wrote:
Cryptic wrote:
marie7342231 wrote: Yes, it may be awhile, but it's coming. The Artificer will get her revenge on the old gods.
Oh this gives me ideas for my Elseworlds Lympians. The OG Hekate threw a wrench into Big Z's plans, and instead of the big 12 being reborn, either 12 minor Gods are reborn or some of the 12, the less dickish of the lot, are rebon, Not Z or Hera, with minor Gods taking their places.
or the major god that DIDN'T get a seat on mnt Olympus, Hades, THAT would be interesting to say the least...
Remember Hades is also the god of wealth, and depending on interpretations that makes him at least related to all forms of wealth that come out of the ground, and would give him power over, for example the god of wine...
Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.