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6 years 1 month ago #1 by Yolandria
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    6 years 1 month ago #2 by Anne
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  • BRRR! Totally spooky and weird!
    6 years 1 month ago #3 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.

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    6 years 1 month ago - 6 years 1 month ago #4 by null0trooper
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  • Dreamer wrote: Uhm, are those numbers with a single letter between a lot of pluses supposed to be something?


    YY MM DD HH MM it(eration) #

    2-digit year, month, day, hour, minute timestamps, within each numbered iteration.

    For perspective, it might help to watch all eight "Endless Eight" episodes of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

    All he'd wanted was a sample, a bit of DNA that he could use in the template Yanos was helping him make.


    I have to wonder at Cameron's motivations, intent, and limited intelligence, because why would the machine include a pod big enough for a body if the idea was to collect a tissue sample?

    It was sunny and warm outside, so of course inside it'd been turning into a greenhouse full of sweaty and slightly potted students until she'd jiggered with the AC controls right before class started. Now, if anything it was a little too cool in school. Still better than the alternative, though. Her nose wrinkled at the memory of how English class had smelled last period.


    After seven days sealed up in a box, Les probably was smelling less than spring fresh. :sick:

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    6 years 1 month ago #5 by Wasamon
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  • Hm, I need to go back and find the notebook that had the planning outline for this thing in it. I vaguely recall doing a grid design with specific times/events and then ticking off the boxes for each range of iteration sequences to figure out what I'd be needing to largely write over again with slight differences in adjectives, phrasing, and outcomes.

    This story happened largely because of the 'looper' fad in fanfiction that hit the old boards circa 2014. Amazingly, none of the text was cut-and-pasted, since I wrote the entire thing out longhand first.
    6 years 1 month ago #6 by Wasamon
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  • null0trooper wrote:

    I have to wonder at Cameron's motivations, intent, and limited intelligence, because why would the machine include a pod big enough for a body if the idea was to collect a tissue sample?


    If I'd bothered to go into his PoV more, it would probably have run something like "has watched Weird Science too many times, was convinced he had the prototype for a girlfriend-making machine," and the pod was part of the production process. It just didn't work the way he thought it would.
    6 years 1 month ago - 6 years 1 month ago #7 by Malady
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  • null0trooper wrote:

    All he'd wanted was a sample, a bit of DNA that he could use in the template Yanos was helping him make.


    I have to wonder at Cameron's motivations, intent, and limited intelligence, because why would the machine include a pod big enough for a body if the idea was to collect a tissue sample?


    After seven days sealed up in a box, Les probably was smelling less than spring fresh. :sick:


    I'd have thought the pod would be to grow the prospective girlfriend. Maybe he tried to get Les out, but failed, and it's one of those things where you have to win to escape, but no, given how Les made it out, it seems like he's not even a friend, and used him for his body. Pun sorta intended.

    ...

    I think the pod would be prepared to handle keeping the body clean and stuff.
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    6 years 1 month ago #8 by Angeldude
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  • "You forgot to use the buttons again," he whispered.

    How she was doing the thing with the phones, he didn't know,

    Without bothering to open her eyes, or even touch the phone, she sent a message back:


    [RED ALERT] Code: CIRCUITBREAKER

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    6 years 1 month ago #9 by Katssun
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  • This was the series within the iterations that really sold the entire story for me:
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    Lester starts out feeling a little bad that Cameron had grown so far apart as a friend after only a year of separation, and was willing to try to rebuild the friendship and how Les ended up in the capsule to begin with. She still sort of tries to bring Cameron back into her circle of friends, even as they all shift to being girls in her memories.

    But her subconscious actively never views him as boyfriend material, and the more persistent he gets in the successive iterations, the more resentful she gets. She's stopped even attempting to include him as a potential friend in the gaming night. The brainwashing still had her to acknowledging that he had good points somewhere, but it went into lock-down rejection mode concerning Cameron's ultimate goal.

    It's not like she was unwilling to date or even be interested in boys after all that she was put through. Leslie was pretty receptive towards Harry, even with his creep tendency that was being built up by the group he hung out with. She's even willing to forgive him because he overcame it at the last moment.

    Cameron? Not so much.

    Those series of paragraphs just end up saying so much, all in subtext.
    6 years 1 month ago #10 by Angeldude
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  • Amazing.

    Seeing the day play out in almost the same way yet slightly different nicely hinted at where things were going while also conveying a sense that something's not quite right.

    For all intents and purposes, I consider Lester to be dead. Leslie is practically a complete stranger to everyone with the added part of how she's taken Lester's place. With her family treating her like she is Lester and how she responds back makes it clear that she's not truely of this world. Everyone and everything she knows has been replaced, yet they're similar enough to keep mistaking them for each other. This isn't the Clarrise she walked to school with and this isn't the sibling who mostly avoided Clarisse. Expecting them to act the way they remember is going to cause issues, but I think they're interesting issues that don't normally get a lot of attention in these kind of stories. The first example of something similar that I can think of is Ellen from EGS, but she at least still has memories of her current world. She constantly has to put up with being compared to Elliot, while also being forced to distance herself from her second-life. Leslie on the other only has her virtual family to try to understand her new family.

    The part where she photoshops the photos of major events to match what happened in her virtual past will definitely help her new family get a better understanding of who she is, and comparing the original photos to her memories will help her get a better understanding of the boy she replaced.

    I want to see how her first meeting with Jake, William, and Rick turns out. It seems they were fairly close friends with Lester and Leslie was just as close with their counterparts. They appear to have rather similar interests (Shadowzone). If the 3 musketeers don't mind having a girl around and Leslie's ok with hanging out with a group of boys, they might even be one of the smallest differences between Lester and Leslie's life. That said, we didn't see much of them in either world, so it's not guaranteed they'd still get along.

    "Well, there's Jacqueline. She's like, the leader of our gaming group. Likes to complain about how she can't get a boyfriend, and how she wishes she were, um, built more like me." Leslie blushed a little, glancing down at her own cleavage. "Then there's Rita. Her dad's a big gaming nerd, so she's got most of the source books we use for our tabletop stuff. And Wendy's more an outdoors gal. We were talking about going camping at her family's ranch after exams."

    Aside from dating and jealousy, nothing there is really that girly, meaning there's a good chance their male selves wouldn't be too different. Jake, Rick, Jacquelline, and Rita all seem to share the same opinion of Cameron, so that's something.

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    6 years 1 month ago #11 by Kettlekorn
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  • Huh, I'd forgotten about this one. Lester's name looked familiar, but I didn't recognize the story until the first iteration of history class when he looked at Cameron's drawings. Then it clicked.

    Was there a second part to this on the old forum? I feel like I remember another scene involving the altered photos, but maybe I'm conflating this with another story.

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    6 years 1 month ago #12 by Wasamon
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  • It was originally posted in two halves, but it's all together here.
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  • Are you trying to corner the market on impossible mutants, Wasamon? Because from here you seem to be giving it a good shot. :-p

    As for Les... Damn, that's a rough situation. Two separate histories that line up just enough for it all to really hurt in how different it all is. This type of identity death is harsh, and can't help but result in pain until things adjust to a new norm - reminds me a bit of last anime season's Seishun Buta Yarou.

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    6 years 1 month ago #14 by jmhyp
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  • In the beginning I had stoked we were seeing a reality warper. But the twist was just as good. I hope there is more Leslie to come.
    6 years 1 month ago - 6 years 1 month ago #15 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • jmhyp wrote: In the beginning I had stoked we were seeing a reality warper. But the twist was just as good. I hope there is more Leslie to come.


    There's a mention of a Ping-Pong being in Melville in Dorms 4, part 6, toward the end. No further details other than being a changeling.

    Edit: this may be a false positive: there's a disambiguation page for Ping Pong (student) that says her name is Kelly Mishkin. However, Dorms 4 part 5 says she's Leslie Wainwright, and describes her exactly, down to the lump in the back of her brain.
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  • Ametros wrote: Two separate histories that line up just enough for it all to really hurt in how different it all is. This type of identity death is harsh, and can't help but result in pain until things adjust to a new norm.

    I think that this is why I'm still having trouble commenting on this story.
    It is sort of like listening to a song sung in round, but rather than each person in the round singing the same words, they are singing almost the same words and the whole thing becomes uncomfortably dissonant.
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:

    jmhyp wrote: In the beginning I had stoked we were seeing a reality warper. But the twist was just as good. I hope there is more Leslie to come.


    There's a mention of a Ping-Pong being in Melville in Dorms 4, part 6, toward the end. No further details other than being a changeling.

    Edit: this may be a false positive: there's a disambiguation page for Ping Pong (student) that says her name is Kelly Mishkin. However, Dorms 4 part 5 says she's Leslie Wainwright, and describes her exactly, down to the lump in the back of her brain.


    Two separate students.

    Ping-Pong in Melville is a bistable shifter who bounces back and forth between male and female forms.

    Ping in Poe is a MtF gadgeteer and minor infopath.

    Sorry for the confusion there.
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  • WMG: Les was anti-warming up to Cameron 'cause YANOS wanted her to kill him, escape, and then YANOS could play the "I hacked in and saved you" card to recruit.

    Also "Your Family will never accept you" and some other Sympathy cards.

    ----

    Wait, this is in 2015 Winter? So, Ping is a Junior, having been in the 2015-2016 School Year??
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    6 years 1 month ago #19 by Wasamon
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  • 1- I think you're overthinking the antipathy :p

    2- check the time-stamp. It's May 2015.
    6 years 1 month ago #20 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Malady wrote: WMG: Les was anti-warming up to Cameron 'cause YANOS wanted her to kill him, escape, and then YANOS could play the "I hacked in and saved you" card to recruit.

    Also "Your Family will never accept you" and some other Sympathy cards.

    ----

    Wait, this is in 2015 Winter? So, Ping is a Junior, having been in the 2015-2016 School Year??


    She's a Sophomore. The fit hit the shan at the end of the 2014-2015 school year, when he was in 8th grade. She was definitely at Whateley in 2015-2016.
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  • I thought Yanos' involvement was more Bit Mangler Crew or Migraine style. They don't care about who is involved one iota. They just want to see if it works and what the results were.

    The moment the error logs got sent, whatever protection they were providing from law enforcement or interference evaporated.

    Yanos may even have tipped off the Feds out of sick pleasure.
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  • Katssun wrote: Yanos may even have tipped off the Feds out of sick pleasure.


    Some of us like to think of that as just 'tidying up loose ends'.

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  • Could YANOS be a Vanguard-er, testing out a mutater, like Hilde Stuaffer's Projects?

    Likely this isn't one of Stauffer's projects? It seems like it might only fit "Phoenix" of "Phoenix, Rhein Mädchen, and Götterdammerung"

    But Phoenix seems to use a serum-based method, so no?

    ...

    YANOS has a year to get caught and have Vanguard cut ties with them, replacing them with Stauffer...

    Or they're not even Vanguard, but just some Independent, working on similar goals.
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  • Katssun wrote: I thought Yanos' involvement was more Bit Mangler Crew or Migraine style. They don't care about who is involved one iota. They just want to see if it works and what the results were.

    The moment the error logs got sent, whatever protection they were providing from law enforcement or interference evaporated.

    Yanos may even have tipped off the Feds out of sick pleasure.


    ^^ Yeah, pretty much this.
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  • Like a Protoss Dragoon, I have returned. Now to do C&Cing again.

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    Man it feels good doing that again. Hopefully it's a more permanent return, I disliked missing doing that for Silver Ghost's return, to mention only one story I missed.
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  • Also, sorry for the double post, but regarding Yanos, I'm also worried, because last time normies were getting metgen comlpex, Nimbus was using his Mythos-flavored brand of techno-sorcery, the one powered up by human souls. Not the happiest food for thought, but still...
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  • Hardric wrote: the Homura Zone

    Funny you mention that, because I was listening to this on loop for the first half of the story.

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  • WMG: Yanos is not a guy, but a girl, who makes devises on demand, and didn't know what Cameron was planning, but bailed and called the cops on him when she figured it out when the error logs were delivered.
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  • Malady wrote: WMG: Yanos is not a guy, but a girl, who makes devises on demand, and didn't know what Cameron was planning, but bailed and called the cops on him when she figured it out when the error logs were delivered.


    Apparently this devise came with a huge manual that Cameron was flipping through to try to figure what he'd done wrong. I can't see him paying for that kind of work - unless Yanos has a documentation manual-writing devise.
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:

    Malady wrote: WMG: Yanos is not a guy, but a girl, who makes devises on demand, and didn't know what Cameron was planning, but bailed and called the cops on him when she figured it out when the error logs were delivered.


    Apparently this devise came with a huge manual that Cameron was flipping through to try to figure what he'd done wrong. I can't see him paying for that kind of work - unless Yanos has a documentation manual-writing devise.

    Maybe her devisor mentality simply doesn't consider the project complete unless every last detail is documented. Everything she makes would come with 100 page-long documentation that nobody but other devisors could read.

    Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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  • Angeldude wrote:

    XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:

    Malady wrote: WMG: Yanos is not a guy, but a girl, who makes devises on demand, and didn't know what Cameron was planning, but bailed and called the cops on him when she figured it out when the error logs were delivered.


    Apparently this devise came with a huge manual that Cameron was flipping through to try to figure what he'd done wrong. I can't see him paying for that kind of work - unless Yanos has a documentation manual-writing devise.

    Maybe her devisor mentality simply doesn't consider the project complete unless every last detail is documented. Everything she makes would come with 100 page-long documentation that nobody but other devisors could read.


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  • Angeldude wrote: Maybe her devisor mentality simply doesn't consider the project complete unless every last detail is documented. Everything she makes would come with 100 page-long documentation that nobody but other devisors could read.

    That's the least devisor-like trait I can imagine. Devisors make stuff that other people are unable to reproduce, unable to fix, and sometimes unable to use at all... taking the time to write extensive documentation seems to go contrary of their power set and mindset. Also, devises are often founded on wacky pseudoscientific pet "theories" of the devisor. Like Buck Swift, Boy of Wednesday Afternoon, weather permitting -- to him it's obvious what an "aetheric flux inverter" is, and why its three settings should be "hard", "wet", "mauve" and "17." And no, "three" is not a typo.

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  • What if they drick out into a OCD-like Fractious state where they do super-precise documention?

    Also, a Documentor devise might be useful...

    We know that Boom Job made a devise to reverse her other devises, any reason someone else couldn't make a devise to document their own devises?
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  • Sir Lee wrote: That's the least devisor-like trait I can imagine. Devisors make stuff that other people are unable to reproduce, unable to fix, and sometimes unable to use at all... taking the time to write extensive documentation seems to go contrary of their power set and mindset. Also, devises are often founded on wacky pseudoscientific pet "theories" of the devisor. Like Buck Swift, Boy of Wednesday Afternoon, weather permitting -- to him it's obvious what an "aetheric flux inverter" is, and why its three settings should be "hard", "wet", "mauve" and "17." And no, "three" is not a typo.


    Which is precisely why the documentation would be nonsense to anyone other than the one who wrote it and maybe a few other devisors who would say that it makes perfect sense. Try reading something like Intel's x86_64 ISA manual and try to parse what it's saying. All 4898 pages of it. If any divisor actually documented their work, I'd expect even the simplest creations to be described in no fewer than a few hundred pages, small font.

    It'd also probably have more text on the legal rights than the actual operation, so you'd sift through that too.

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  • Indeed.
    Documents are only written by Korean devisors :D

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  • Consider this: whoever Yanos in fact is, they needed their patsy to be able to operate the basic functions of their system in order to properly test it. To that end, some sort of manual makes sense. It does not have to explain how the thing functions, or what use any of its parts are, and for a bit of sadistic fun they could go full graphomania on the thing and make it impossible to tell which bits outside of the basic instructions are accurate.

    In other words, having a manual facilitates a certain level of user-friendliness, while also allowing for infinitely more levels of user-torture.
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