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Question Laura and the Fan Club

5 years 10 months ago #1 by Dreamer
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  • A new Gen 2 tale from elrod about our favorite blue inventor, Laura. So read, enjoy, and please comment.

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    5 years 10 months ago #2 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Nice start. And we have a number of complications raising their heads. I especially liked seeing StahlFaust getting hers - or at least a down payment on it.
    5 years 10 months ago #3 by mhalpern
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  • At this rate she might have to out herself as gay just to save some suitors some time...

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    5 years 10 months ago #4 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.

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    5 years 10 months ago #5 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • As I was going through preparing the story page for the Wiki, I noticed that there is now a third name for the Japanese paranormal agency: Department of Paranormal Studies. Is this another agency, or should this be the name for DOPS, which I thought was (Department of Paranormal Services). There's also the Institute for Paranormal Affairs.

    What I think is going on is that the Institute is an organization outside of the Government because it's headed by two members of the Imperial Family, while DOPS is a government department that reports, through appropriate layers of intermediaries, to the Prime Minister.

    It's time to get this bureaucratic thicket normalized.
    5 years 10 months ago #6 by Hebblejebble
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  • Dreamer wrote: We haven't met the Financer yet, only heard her mentioned. Please let her not be Ayla.


    I'm almost hoping it is Ayla actually. I can imaging him doing this just so that he can leverage his position to curtail or redirect the Directorate without giving the media a "Radical Mutant Terrorist Cell" story.


    Dreamer wrote: Darn, sounds like you have to be very wealthy or from the royal line to get in those programs for mutants.


    I feel that it might be the opposite. The Yama Dojo, and any similar programs, are more interested in people who disappear into the crowd rather than stand as the heads of business.
    5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #7 by Katssun
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  • It's kind of disgusting what Taniguchi is doing to his son. But it may ultimately be good for him, since he would get to study with Imp as well as the Psychic Arts department. I'm not sure the mutant schools in Japan would even bother with him otherwise. His mother seemed to get it though. Overall, I'm just very revolted by Japan's behavior toward their mutants and gadgeteers on the opposite extreme of that. The only acceptable use for non-tech mutants is spies or, "Go acquire a gadgeteer wife and recruit as many others as you can." And it is officially endorsed part of the plan by the government?! Gross.

    On a far brighter note, I'm looking forward to seeing how Laura protects her bench.

    I also wonder if Brita facing this evil cabal will actually be a benefit to the M3. Brita seems more angry that she got overwhelmingly defeated. She was up to some petty BS harassing Laura, and got humiliated instead. At first I thought she was angry that one of the "false girls" is getting some protection, but then I wondered if Brita might be substantially more offended by what she finds out. Brita is a character I love to hate, but I can't help but wonder if The Directorate made the wrong enemy that evening.

    I'm confused about one thing though. Is it "The Directorate", "Vanguard", or are they both parts of the secret organization within Evolution Rocks?
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    5 years 10 months ago #8 by Astrodragon
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  • Just to point out, Wheal is Cornish, not Welsh.

    I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
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  • Hebblejebble wrote:

    Dreamer wrote: We haven't met the Financer yet, only heard her mentioned. Please let her not be Ayla.


    I'm almost hoping it is Ayla actually. I can imaging him doing this just so that he can leverage his position to curtail or redirect the Directorate without giving the media a "Radical Mutant Terrorist Cell" story.


    We didn't get the Financier's name when they did appear in "Laura and the Village", but not all of the Gen1 Golden Kids can be ruled out this early.

    Hebblejebble wrote:

    Dreamer wrote: Darn, sounds like you have to be very wealthy or from the royal line to get in those programs for mutants.


    I feel that it might be the opposite. The Yama Dojo, and any similar programs, are more interested in people who disappear into the crowd rather than stand as the heads of business.


    This. The scions of wealth and power have certain expectations imposed upon them to be fulfilled by the educational institutions they attend. It's not sufficient that the school offer the best programs, but that the institution itself be above reproach among those of a certain class.

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    5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #10 by MageOhki
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  • Editor's pass didn't catch various errors. Department of Paranormal Studies is the actual name, and it's a official government agency under Imperial Household Agency, again, a official gov't agency, of the Japanese government. Japan is weird.

    DOPS is run by the Imperial family because of the spiritual and religious aspects involved. (Remember who exactly is the chief 'priest' or 'priestess' of Ise, more or less the 'Vatican' of Shino [or close enough for this consideration.]) It also helped in the 1947 constitution, there were so *few* known yokai and metahumans involved, magic itself had a religious connotation, and the issue of the wards, it was felt that IHA could handle the job, since the keys were Imperial property, as well as the duty of the Imperial family to provide the person in charge of Ise. (They get around the "Emperor has no power" clause, by it *never* being run *officially* by the Emperor. His youngest son is the official head, Kako is his 'deputy'). As mutants and more Yokai came out of the woodwork, DOPS already had a 'structure' in place, and generally just kept the job. Mostly because *it worked*, and Yomi supported it (and the majority of the grads, as well, which a *lot* work for the various agencies involved who may or may not have wanted a grab).

    DOPS in essence handles *all* direct and immediate paranormal issues. Metahuman or yokai, magic regulation, etc. When it crosses into other areas (Justice, MEXT, Foreign Affairs, METI are the big ones), DOPS 'coordinates' (generally makes sure the metahuman/yokai persons fit into the system, while letting those Ministries or Agencies set the general rules, only pushing stuff that has to be *specific* towards paranormal affairs. If it's found use as a 'off the books' FA or other such office, that can be officially 'swept' under the rug, who knows?) with the appros agency.

    Nulltrooper is *dead on* about Education for 'wealthy/high social status'. RTS4 *spelt it out*
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  • The more I think about The Directorate, the worse it looks. The division we are looking at is run by someone who wants vengeance, is too large to be kept secret,is strong enough to present a credible threat, and is nowhere near strong enough to actually win. This is an impending catastrophe, and I don't see what will stop it

    It is hard to come up with a set of actions more likely to cause a genocidal war against mutants.. If people thought the Fools Fight was bad, if that power armor goes operational, this will be a hundred times worse.
    5 years 10 months ago #12 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Court wrote: The more I think about The Directorate, the worse it looks. The division we are looking at is run by someone who wants vengeance, is too large to be kept secret,is strong enough to present a credible threat, and is nowhere near strong enough to actually win. This is an impending catastrophe, and I don't see what will stop it

    It is hard to come up with a set of actions more likely to cause a genocidal war against mutants.. If people thought the Fools Fight was bad, if that power armor goes operational, this will be a hundred times worse.


    You're not alone: see Hilde Stauffer's rant in Kansas part 3.

    In any case, the Directorate article needs to be updated, since Vanguard is the public face, per ElrodW. It includes a lot of PR stuff, including buying politicians, etc. The Directorate also includes Hilde Stauffer's genetic work. Reineke and Lincoln's thing is only one part of it. With the Financier (who may or may not be Ayla Goodkind) coming for an inspection, there is an interesting time ahead.
    5 years 10 months ago #13 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Katssun wrote:
    On a far brighter note, I'm looking forward to seeing how Laura protects her bench.

    I'm confused about one thing though. Is it "The Directorate", "Vanguard", or are they both parts of the secret organization within Evolution Rocks?


    As far as Laura's bench goes, look at what happens the next day (the 23rd) in "Like a Candle in the Wind". Apparently the issue blows over. Especially see what Marlene and Steve do.

    The Directorate is the parent secret organization, Vanguard is its public face, per WOG from ElrodW. The Directorate includes a number of secret projects while Vanguard does public relations stuff like buying politicians.
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:

    Court wrote: The more I think about The Directorate, the worse it looks. The division we are looking at is run by someone who wants vengeance, is too large to be kept secret,is strong enough to present a credible threat, and is nowhere near strong enough to actually win. This is an impending catastrophe, and I don't see what will stop it

    It is hard to come up with a set of actions more likely to cause a genocidal war against mutants.. If people thought the Fools Fight was bad, if that power armor goes operational, this will be a hundred times worse.


    You're not alone: see Hilde Stauffer's rant in Kansas part 3.

    In any case, the Directorate article needs to be updated, since Vanguard is the public face, per ElrodW. It includes a lot of PR stuff, including buying politicians, etc. The Directorate also includes Hilde Stauffer's genetic work. Reineke and Lincoln's thing is only one part of it. With the Financier (who may or may not be Ayla Goodkind) coming for an inspection, there is an interesting time ahead.


    It occurs to me that it would be better if Ayla is the supervillain known as Financier.

    The Directorates project helps siphon off the short-term thinkers, and the violently stupid, in a similar manner to Lady Astarte's view of the function of The Syndicate, but he would also take a long look at their current plans, and say, "No. This isn't militarily viable. We need to prepare more," and have the clout to make his opinion stick.

    It also just occurred to me, that Ayla would be more inclined to use "business as a long-term weapon", which may be part of where the Japanese attitude to Gadgeteers in Gen2 has evolved from.

    Consider that Generator has a MID that describes her as a Devisor. She is half-Japanese, and she has an inventive approach towards creating mayhem in a manner that inspires other Devisors/Gadgeteers to find solutions to seemingly intractable problems.

    "It must be possible. Generator's done it."

    "I want to make one of those... :D"

    Add in Ayla's business acumen, his rapport with the Lab-crew, and his determination to act in the long-term interests of every business he creates, and the Japanese govt. would see this as a profitable, long-term "good thing to do".

    There could be a set of interesting vignette's covering the internal arguments between the ultra-nationalist xenophobes, and the trade/business-focused internationalists.

    Bit like what's happening in international politics right now... :D


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  • @Xaltatun: Thanks for thinking of and replying to my question in this thread, but I was the one to ask elrod on the discord! :P

    Mister D wrote: It occurs to me that it would be better if Ayla is the supervillain known as Financier.

    The Directorates project helps siphon off the short-term thinkers, and the violently stupid, in a similar manner to Lady Astarte's view of the function of The Syndicate, but he would also take a long look at their current plans, and say, "No. This isn't militarily viable. We need to prepare more," and have the clout to make his opinion stick.

    What if Financier actually agrees with Vanguard's approach, if not the specific evils within the Directorate? Not peace and coexistence, but a proactive and mostly-legal offense. What better way to curtail the most evil aspects, than by holding the reigns for their end of the funding?

    Also, who is to say that if Financier is Ayla, that the last few years haven't been particularly cruel, and change his outlook to be more calculating, and less empathetic? Kayda and the entire Sioux Fall League gave up hero work after encountering a true degree of horror in all of it. Falcon and Tabby Cat have both stopped as well, and teach at Whateley (Assistant Headmaster and gym teacher respectively). As far as we've seen, Fey is a student-teacher instead of something more influential. Sidewinder is run by...someone, and they really hate the KoP and other mutant haters, and go out to destroy them financially.

    Fullerton and a few other events completely changed the political and power influence landscape for Gen 2. A few of the characters are bound to have been affected by the fallout of the big events of the interim too. Some for the better, some for far worse.
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  • Katssun wrote: Also, who is to say that if Financier is Ayla, that the last few years haven't been particularly cruel, and change his outlook to be more calculating, and less empathetic?


    That might fit in with one of Bladedancer's visions of a possible future:

    Dreamquest of the Underage Taoist wrote: There was an image of her, with Destiny’s Wave thrust through Toni’s chest. There was another one, with Fey’s head lying next to her fallen body, her hand still clutching Malachim’s Feather. An arrogant, expensively-dressed Ayla was stepping out of a limo when Chou appeared, ruthlessly dispatching her bodyguards and then cutting the density changer in half as she was trying to go light for all the good it did her. All her friends in Team Kimba lay dead at her feet, including Tennyo, sliced in half in the ruins of a city that could be New York. Jade was clutching the upper half of her onee-san and was weeping as Chou stalked slowly towards her through the smoking rubble. The Japanese girl didn’t even look up as the sword fell.


    There's no guarantee that that was a near-term outcome.

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  • Fake news. As the Tiger Guard learned, cutting Tennyo in half doesn't slow her down at all; if anything, it encourages her.

    Anyway, Financier is obviously Bruce Goodkind.

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  • Katssun wrote: @Xaltatun: Thanks for thinking of and replying to my question in this thread, but I was the one to ask elrod on the discord! :P

    Mister D wrote: It occurs to me that it would be better if Ayla is the supervillain known as Financier.

    The Directorates project helps siphon off the short-term thinkers, and the violently stupid, in a similar manner to Lady Astarte's view of the function of The Syndicate, but he would also take a long look at their current plans, and say, "No. This isn't militarily viable. We need to prepare more," and have the clout to make his opinion stick.

    What if Financier actually agrees with Vanguard's approach, if not the specific evils within the Directorate? Not peace and coexistence, but a proactive and mostly-legal offense. What better way to curtail the most evil aspects, than by holding the reigns for their end of the funding?

    Also, who is to say that if Financier is Ayla, that the last few years haven't been particularly cruel, and change his outlook to be more calculating, and less empathetic? Kayda and the entire Sioux Fall League gave up hero work after encountering a true degree of horror in all of it. Falcon and Tabby Cat have both stopped as well, and teach at Whateley (Assistant Headmaster and gym teacher respectively). As far as we've seen, Fey is a student-teacher instead of something more influential. Sidewinder is run by...someone, and they really hate the KoP and other mutant haters, and go out to destroy them financially.

    Fullerton and a few other events completely changed the political and power influence landscape for Gen 2. A few of the characters are bound to have been affected by the fallout of the big events of the interim too. Some for the better, some for far worse.

    Of course we have no clue who the Financier is other than that they appear female, for all we know it is yet another Alias for Hartford. The only real reason we think its Ayla is because it is implied by the name that they are good with money, but that could be just about any exemplar who studied finance.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: Fake news. As the Tiger Guard learned, cutting Tennyo in half doesn't slow her down at all; if anything, it encourages her.

    That may be true for mundane ways of cutting Tennyo, but Destiny's Wave works at a higher level. One way to look at it would be that mundane attacks only momentarily disrupt the 3D projection of Tennyo's n-dimensional real being, while Destiny's Wave would directly damage that n-dimensional being.

    Anyway, Financier is obviously Bruce Goodkind.

    Hmmm... actually, let's consider another Goodkind. What if Financier is David?

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  • Katssun wrote: @Xaltatun: Thanks for thinking of and replying to my question in this thread, but I was the one to ask elrod on the discord! :P


    I'm not on Discord. I have no idea who says what to whom on Discord. If I'm going to put it in the Wiki, it has to be something on the forums.

    Katssun wrote:

    Mister D wrote: It occurs to me that it would be better if Ayla is the supervillain known as Financier.

    The Directorates project helps siphon off the short-term thinkers, and the violently stupid, in a similar manner to Lady Astarte's view of the function of The Syndicate, but he would also take a long look at their current plans, and say, "No. This isn't militarily viable. We need to prepare more," and have the clout to make his opinion stick.


    What if Financier actually agrees with Vanguard's approach, if not the specific evils within the Directorate? Not peace and coexistence, but a proactive and mostly-legal offense. What better way to curtail the most evil aspects, than by holding the reigns for their end of the funding?


    I don't think we know what Financier thinks at this point. We shall see when the stories get written and posted.

    Katssun wrote: Also, who is to say that if Financier is Ayla, that the last few years haven't been particularly cruel, and change his outlook to be more calculating, and less empathetic? Kayda and the entire Sioux Fall League gave up hero work after encountering a true degree of horror in all of it. Falcon and Tabby Cat have both stopped as well, and teach at Whateley (Assistant Headmaster and gym teacher respectively). As far as we've seen, Fey is a student-teacher instead of something more influential. Sidewinder is run by...someone, and they really hate the KoP and other mutant haters, and go out to destroy them financially.


    We haven't seen anything of Ayla since the last Lancer stories in Gen 1. The climactic Gen 1 fight is still in the future; we know most of Team Kimba and most of the Outcasts survived it, but that's all we know. Given what's been specified in the few mentions of Financier, I'd be surprised if she isn't Ayla.

    Fey shows up occasionally, but as far as I can tell, she's an outside consultant. What else she's doing isn't specified. She doesn't seem to have a regular class schedule she teaches.

    If the person being coyly unspecified in Sidewinder isn't Diamondback, I'll be very, very surprised.

    Katssun wrote: Fullerton and a few other events completely changed the political and power influence landscape for Gen 2. A few of the characters are bound to have been affected by the fallout of the big events of the interim too. Some for the better, some for far worse.


    So far, there's only one comment in a canon store I know of that says what happened at Fullerton. If I write a page for the Fullerton Incident, that'll be included.

    Well, yes.
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: Fake news. As the Tiger Guard learned, cutting Tennyo in half doesn't slow her down at all; if anything, it encourages her.

    Anyway, Financier is obviously Bruce Goodkind.


    Snort.
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  • Sir Lee wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote: Fake news. As the Tiger Guard learned, cutting Tennyo in half doesn't slow her down at all; if anything, it encourages her.

    That may be true for mundane ways of cutting Tennyo, but Destiny's Wave works at a higher level. One way to look at it would be that mundane attacks only momentarily disrupt the 3D projection of Tennyo's n-dimensional real being, while Destiny's Wave would directly damage that n-dimensional being.


    We know that two and probably three of Team Kimba survived: Toni is Master Chandler, and Fey has appeared in a number of stories. Financier is probably Alya. I'd expect that Tennyo and Jade took off for some other part of the universe and are no longer around. That leaves Lancer.

    Sir Lee wrote:

    Anyway, Financier is obviously Bruce Goodkind.

    Hmmm... actually, let's consider another Goodkind. What if Financier is David?


    David clearly has cross-hairs on his back, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to find him around somewhere. However, what little we know about him is that his interests were more in the human resources and similar areas of the Goodkind empire. Possibly marketing and advertising.

    David's Wiki entry redirects to the Goodkind family page, and doesn't include that interesting tidbit.
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: I'd expect that Tennyo and Jade took off for some other part of the universe and are no longer around.


    Possibly, but I expect Jade to still be on Earth, given that we have JinnTech...

    But maybe Jade started that, then moved off planet or something.
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  • Her strength has increased manyfold since she first manifested, and it's only been a little over a year. Perhaps by Gen 2 she can overcharge Jinn to the point that she lasts for months, so that Jade only needs to swing by Earth periodically to recharge her and restock on chocolate.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: Her strength has increased manyfold since she first manifested, and it's only been a little over a year. Perhaps by Gen 2 she can overcharge Jinn to the point that she lasts for months, so that Jade only needs to swing by Earth periodically to recharge her and restock on chocolate.

    Must has chocolate! It is universal currency off planet Earth as any Galactic explorer knows right well!
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  • After discovering how to make her projections last indefinitely Jade loads a spacecraft with plush supplies and sets off to make Hello Kitty a galactic sensation (or does this belong in the 'Bad Ideas' thread) :-p
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  • Hebblejebble wrote: After discovering how to make her projections last indefinitely Jade loads a spacecraft with plush supplies and sets off to make Hello Kitty a galactic sensation (or does this belong in the 'Bad Ideas' thread) :-p

    If it is not a bad idea, then perhaps it is a sign that the apocalypse is upon us?
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  • Busy last week, now let's go with that one.

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    On another point, I genuinely hope Financier is Ayla/Trevor, and playing that game here by following the logic of 'Best way to control an idiot is by controlling the purse strings'. Cynism pushing towards pro-active political action is a thing, cynism and stupidity leading you to try 'Race War' (how many times did it work in X-Men exactly?)... And to think the other Kimboids would let their friend go down that road without blinking an eye... Yeah, pass.
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  • There is one thing in this story I have a problem with: the description of the Imp as a "famous art teacher". I may be displaying ignorance, but I am unaware of any people that could be described as "famous art teachers". There are famous artist who have "schools", where other artists work and are trained by them, but these people are famous for being artists, not art teachers. And I don't think the connection between the art teacher, the Imp, and the artist, Candice Kade, has been made even in Gen 2. (Although I don't think we know for sure that it hasn't.)

    So how does one become "a famous art teacher", particularly a famous high school art teacher? Somehow I don't see Dino's Razorback's art as having become world famous.
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  • Court wrote: There is one thing in this story I have a problem with: the description of the Imp as a "famous art teacher". I may be displaying ignorance, but I am unaware of any people that could be described as "famous art teachers".


    It's not impossible to become a famous art teacher , but it's also important to remember that Art isn't limited to painting.

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  • Imp often gets accused of being a demon when caught without a disguise. Usually her reaction is to flee. As she begins to really settle into her role as a teacher and mentor, perhaps she'll eventually decide to stop running, stand her ground, and educate. "Don't let my devilish good looks fool you, ma'am. I'm neither demon nor devil. The truth is far scarier. I am an art teacher. Want some tips?" Repeat this a few times, get caught on camera, attract some media attention... and presto: "News at Six: Mutant art teacher becomes worldwide celebrity!" Bonus points if Candice Kade pops up on a talk show and raves about how the Fabulous Imp taught her everything she knows.

    As for educational series, Imp's more of a Mark Kistler than a Bob Ross, but yeah, I could see her doing something like that.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: As for educational series, Imp's more of a Mark Kistler than a Bob Ross, but yeah, I could see her doing something like that.


    Could you imagine how much fun a PBS or YouTube series featuring Imp and Sister Wendy could be?

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  • Remember, Imp has had 10 years to leverage her stint as an art teacher at Whateley into becoming a famous art teacher (especially in metahuman circles)

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  • Word has to have gotten out to the community at large that she retired, became a teacher, and feedback from graduates is probably very positive.

    She was a forger of some renown in the criminal circuits.

    I'd imagine she'd get pretty famous to the art community as someone who knows a tremendous deal of techniques and has applied them very effectively.
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  • One wonders if Ms Imp (Mrs Chickenhawk?) has gained some fame as a restorer of art as well. After all if she was (and by all reports she was) an effective forger of artwork, it wouldn't be a large step from that knowledge (or skill) set to restoration....
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  • Current concept of art restoration does not center around replicating the original artist's technique to "fill in the gaps", but preserving what is left and undoing misguided past restorations that may be covering up parts of the original work.

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  • And that suggests that Karma's name is Susan Chambers.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: And that suggests that Karma's name is Susan Chambers.


    Well, we already knew that with the FullNameUltimatum or whatever from "The Trouble with Karma"?

    We just haven't added it to the Wiki... I should do that...

    Oh, right, Karma needs to redirect to her Family page...
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  • Well, actually, we knew she was called Susan Moira and she was Imp's daughter. Now we know there's a Mrs. Chambers with a daughter named Susan. It's an inference, but unless the TINCC is deliberately Jossing with us, I would say that the likelihood of (a) Superhawk and Imp having tied the knot and (b) Karma being Ryan's daughter is nearing 1.

    We still don't know where Ryan and Melissa are, however.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: Current concept of art restoration does not center around replicating the original artist's technique to "fill in the gaps", but preserving what is left and undoing misguided past restorations that may be covering up parts of the original work.


    You were refering to?

    images.app.goo.gl/Z2M8qg8Vo2aVsFyh9

    (hopefully the link still works)
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  • Well, Laura tempts fate a lot, the series.

    Annoying that my quotes didn't save...

    Financier = Ayla probability rising, but, is girl? Is Alumni, has experience with Gadgs...

    But, financial knowledge isn't Ayla only, etc.

    ...

    Imp's understudy, is who?
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  • Malady wrote: Well, Laura tempts fate a lot, the series.

    Annoying that my quotes didn't save...

    Financier = Ayla probability rising, but, is girl? Is Alumni, has experience with Gadgs...

    But, financial knowledge isn't Ayla only, etc.

    ...

    Imp's understudy, is who?


    It's Alya. Can't be anyone else from the clues we've been given.

    Mischief.
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:

    Malady wrote: Well, Laura tempts fate a lot, the series.

    Annoying that my quotes didn't save...

    Financier = Ayla probability rising, but, is girl? Is Alumni, has experience with Gadgs...

    But, financial knowledge isn't Ayla only, etc.

    ...

    Imp's understudy, is who?


    It's Alya. Can't be anyone else from the clues we've been given.

    Mischief.


    Betting Mischief, yes. Anything confirming? I just missed a lot??

    I guess she'd call no one else, her understudy. Also confirms she's alive, and well, Superhawk being alive is a guarantee, what with Imp telling him about Karma's antics.

    ----

    Amazons not going with Kristen's flow makes me think they're not mindcontrolled peeps, else they'd be a lot more complacent??

    Or, the olders are the controllers and everyone else is their pawns who they're letting have some amount of free will.

    ----

    Still dunno who Subject 2 is?

    Lots of people to ship Laura with.
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  • Good to see how the story is developing.

    Mazarin comes across as being committed to the Neutrality Accords.

    We've only seen the public snapshots at the moment though.

    The odds of Ayla being Financier are increasing. One method of controlling the militants is to finance/control their purse-strings, so i can see that it would be a method that Ayla would use to mitigate their extremism.

    Nice touch towards using the "Defensive Weapons Only" as a way of reducing the odds of bad developments when they get busted... :D

    Would Financier be only one of Ayla's persona's when working in the field?

    What could the others be?

    We'll need more background before we can do anything but speculate. :D


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  • The earlier Ayla stories set him up for what could be a painfully short life.

    I wonder how many people could cope with the Financier being Vanessa Jackson, David Goodkind, Macrobiotic, another character pulled from elsewhere in the huge Gen1 cast, or even a new character?

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  • So we now know who the Financier is with 95% certainty, Laura's stun gun sounds a bit like Havok's bracer, only a gadget and ranged

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    Financier is obviously George Soros who manifested and turned changeling... :evil:

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  • null0trooper wrote: The earlier Ayla stories set him up for what could be a painfully short life.

    I wonder how many people could cope with the Financier being Vanessa Jackson, David Goodkind, Macrobiotic, another character pulled from elsewhere in the huge Gen1 cast, or even a new character?


    Let's take a look at that.

    We've already seen Vanessa Jackson. She was in the MCO holding tank with Charger. Famous singer, not an option.

    David Goodkind has been described as being more interested in the personnel side of things than the financial side.

    Macrobiotic? A bio-devisor suddenly turning into a financial genius?

    The other two options? Why be coy about who it is?

    Seriously, The only times I've seen the authors being coy about a character is to build up the tension to a big reveal. Unless the Financier turns out to be someone like Nimbus in drag, I can't see it.

    It's far more likely that nobody knows what Diane Castle had in mind, and she might come back and take over the Alya stories again. (Hope, hope). That's a good reason for keeping the options open.

    As far as the case for it being Alya goes, consider the situation with her "SO" just having given birth. How did she get pregnant in the first place? There are a number of options, but Alya, being Alya, is the most obvious one. It doesn't require anything like a sperm donor, rape, being pregnant when the two of them got together, etc.

    There's also, by the way, the infodump about how the Knights of Purity got eliminated. Someone mysterious helped Sidewinder Holdings (Diamondback) with setting it up. Someone who could very well be Alya.

    The whole "what happened to Team Kimba" is kind of mysterious. We've seen two of the core members: Fey and Chaka, and there are good reasons why we might not see three of them even if they survived whatever happened (Tennyo, Jade and Hank). That leaves Alya.
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    I think you misinterpreted what the Financier meant when she said "license it". The way I understand the term, it means "get a license from the patent holder so we can manufacture it." Nothing nefarious there - it's simple and standard business practice.

    The real issue is whether Laura has a patent to license. If she doesn't, that's something Financier can help with. That's what the comment about whether they have to go through Whateley is about.
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  • Astrodragon wrote: Well, and a Bond one


    This is Imp (and Melissa) we are talking about, which is more likely, a Bond reference or a reference to a spoof on Bond? The only reason it has fur is because furless cats are ugly.

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    A couple of hard-light projectors in the walls perhaps.

    Or possibly one of the faux-window-systems as shown on the first Resident Evil movie. Add in a couple of small enchantments to make them register as magically active to mage-sight... :D


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  • I think we should hope that Financier is Ayla. Otherwise, Laura is very likely about to be taken advantage of by another arm of The Directorate. In an arena that she really has little hope of dealing with should their licensing deal be a poor one for Laura, financially or politically. There's a lot of in-fighting between The Directorate factions, and Laura is at the center of most of it.

    I also find it a bit worrying that Laura is even considering the offers from Hideo Taniguchi. He's super, super aggressive about recruitment and we know how desperate he is, but it is really creepy when you think about it. I know there's plenty of situations where kids are offered jobs as they approach graduation, but that's college and the very end of high school. Laura is a Freshman, and barely in her first month of school. Hideo comes off like a skeezy talent agent. He was practically interrogating Laura about her other inventions because her preference for weapons doesn't align with the market his company is in.

    He also treats his son like garbage. Koichi at least seems to have a much more positive relationship with his sister and mother.

    That contrast is why I came out of this story actually feeling quite worried for Stahlfaust. Brita got reprimanded by her fellow Amazons for some of her recent behavior, which she deserved. But then she's getting recruited by the cruelest and least ethical arm of The Directorate?! Brita is a bitch, but she seems to have her reasons for becoming who she is today. Even so, nobody deserves getting involved with the doctor.

    Morgana cruising into the labs, shimming her hips around as a distraction, then drinking all the coffee leaving none for the techies?
    Sounds like Morgana is...playing with fire. 8-)
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  • Katssun wrote: I think we should hope that Financier is Ayla. Otherwise, Laura is very likely about to be taken advantage of by another arm of The Directorate. In an arena that she really has little hope of dealing with should their licensing deal be a poor one for Laura, financially or politically. There's a lot of in-fighting between The Directorate factions, and Laura is at the center of most of it.

    ...

    That contrast is why I came out of this story actually feeling quite worried for Stahlfaust. Brita got reprimanded by her fellow Amazons for some of her recent behavior, which she deserved. But then she's getting recruited by the cruelest and least ethical arm of The Directorate?! Brita is a bitch, but she seems to have her reasons for becoming who she is today. Even so, nobody deserves getting involved with the doctor.


    Good observations. Laura seems to be rather easily influenced by certain kinds of people.

    I doubt that Brita is going to be working directly for Hilde. I think Hilde is acting more as a recruiting agent and local control. The actual assignment is more likely going to be with the Directorate's security apparatus as muscle, or maybe the Home Guard.
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    Katssun wrote: I think we should hope that Financier is Ayla. Otherwise, Laura is very likely about to be taken advantage of by another arm of The Directorate. In an arena that she really has little hope of dealing with should their licensing deal be a poor one for Laura, financially or politically. There's a lot of in-fighting between The Directorate factions, and Laura is at the center of most of it.

    ...

    That contrast is why I came out of this story actually feeling quite worried for Stahlfaust. Brita got reprimanded by her fellow Amazons for some of her recent behavior, which she deserved. But then she's getting recruited by the cruelest and least ethical arm of The Directorate?! Brita is a bitch, but she seems to have her reasons for becoming who she is today. Even so, nobody deserves getting involved with the doctor.


    Good observations. Laura seems to be rather easily influenced by certain kinds of people.

    I doubt that Brita is going to be working directly for Hilde. I think Hilde is acting more as a recruiting agent and local control. The actual assignment is more likely going to be with the Directorate's security apparatus as muscle, or maybe the Home Guard.


    Is it Ayla? Not going to say. But it would be a good tactic to control the cash flow and politicians, and controlling what the Home Guard can access is a huge control on their insurgency thinking. Is Laura mixed up in the Home Guard? No. Is the Money Faction looking at her? Not specifically, but her invention would be useful to them. Is she mixed up with Silverplate/Stauffer? Not directly.

    And Brita? Is she being offered a real job, or merely a task to keep her out of the way and thinking that she's more important than she really is?

    How about Hideo? He wants to get talent for his company. Desperation? You can read that in if you want. Or he's a little frustrated about the rate of growth he can attain without gadgeteers. Was he being creepy? Or was he intrigued with Laura's inventions and basically interviewing her about what they could be used for? By US standards, Hideo might be seen as an asshole. Or not, depending on your viewpoint. Inviting Laura? Politeness after she took time from her schedule to show them around? Interest in her talent? Lots of reasons it could be.

    My take (and I'm the author, so my take counts) - we've seen him in one (1) story, and everything that motivates him has not been revealed. Only bit parts. Is he an asshole? Nope. But he's Japanese, not American. Judging him by western standards is a mistake.

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  • Whateley is like, the antithesis of Death of the Author Theory, but I'm still willing to go for broke! :side:

    elrodw wrote: My take (and I'm the author, so my take counts) - we've seen him in one (1) story, and everything that motivates him has not been revealed. Only bit parts. Is he an asshole? Nope. But he's Japanese, not American. Judging him by western standards is a mistake.

    Judging him by any standard, his action towards his son have been reprehensible.

    All in all, the boy's interests and powers were of no use to Hideo and his worries about his company, unlike those of his sister Sakura, who seemed naturally gifted and highly interested in things technical. It was therefore no wonder that daughter related more to father, and son related more to mother.

    Although, as Hideo mulled things over in his mind, maybe there was some potential in his son. Artists were valued in Japan, and if his power made people feel his art more intensely, then .... He put the thought aside. He had his company to run first and foremost.

    Koichi was a Japanese boy raised in a traditional Japanese family. He knew his place.

    He all but considers his son useless, but harbors some hope for his daughter. Even when he starts to have second thoughts that working on Koichi's gifts would be worth it, he shifts back to thinking Koichi is only useful in as much as a daughter is only useful for business or political marriages. Just with a son instead.

    Enrolling him in Whateley will help his art, but part 2 made it clear that Koichi's primary purpose is for recruiting, and Laura specifically. Hideo's behavior in Part 2 was less about his son, who was clearly an afterthought, and far more focused on Laura and any others he might have a chance to catch a glimpse of while on the tour.
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: Let's take a look at that.

    We've already seen Vanessa Jackson. She was in the MCO holding tank with Charger. Famous singer, not an option.


    Famous singer IS an option, as Mr. Butler's personal assistant recognized her on sight. It may be hard to believe, but performers and athletes can have significant business acumen. Also, Ayla did spend time teaching her as much about economics as he could before they broke up and we knew from the start that she was driven to succeed.

    XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: David Goodkind has been described as being more interested in the personnel side of things than the financial side.


    He still has a Goodkind upbringing, and ten years to consider what options are left him if Nimbus succeeds.

    XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: Macrobiotic? A bio-devisor suddenly turning into a financial genius?


    If she lives long enough to follow her mother and grandmother's footsteps, she will be a CEO of her own company. "Bio-devisor" is her mutant power, not the sum total of her capabilities.

    XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: The other two options? Why be coy about who it is?


    It's rather difficult to be "coy" in either case, since I couldn't know in advance who that new character is beyond being called "Financier". However, one of the premises of Gen2 was supposed to be that the stories would not all be tied tightly to Gen1 continuity.

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  • elrodw wrote: And Brita? Is she being offered a real job, or merely a task to keep her out of the way and thinking that she's more important than she really is?


    She seems to be a loose cannon at this point, not unusual for a teenager. If she's merely useless, or somewhat trainable, they're set.

    One of my favorite loose cannons in SciFi:
    17 y.o. Miles Naismith Vorkosigan was shipped off to his mom's homeworld after failing his physical for military service. Even his mother once observed that no sane government would trust him with so much as a pocket knife.
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    XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: Let's take a look at that.

    We've already seen Vanessa Jackson. She was in the MCO holding tank with Charger. Famous singer, not an option.


    Famous singer IS an option, as Mr. Butler's personal assistant recognized her on sight. It may be hard to believe, but performers and athletes can have significant business acumen. Also, Ayla did spend time teaching her as much about economics as he could before they broke up and we knew from the start that she was driven to succeed.


    I suppose a misunderstanding was inevitable, since I used four words where a dozen or more seem to be necessary: "She is a famous singer, which is a full-time occupation. A simultanious career as Financier is not an option."
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  • On recruiting high school freshman, take a look at basketball players in the United States. In China, potential Olympic athletes are not recruited as high school freshman -- they have already been recruited at a much younger age. If a young person has a substantial chance of being valuable, there is a good chance that they will be recruited. A gadgeteer who has already invented a marketable invention is an obvious target for recruiting pitches.
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  • As for Hideo:

    Let me spell this out again.

    Japan trains mutants. High school in Japan is not free at all. How do you think a lot of families in Japan afford the schools (which while not Whateley cost, are still well up there in terms of cost)?

    Answer: Corporations pay. Both indirectly (financing the schools themselves), to help lower costs, as well as direct scholarships. Ie, recruitment. Corps don't give scholarships for free, after all...

    So, Hideo both wants to marry his son (and remember, Japan is *still* a culture where family first, self second.) to Laura, and failing that... Well! Recruiting her to work for him, is almost as good, no, and well, he could afford to pay Whateley after all for her.
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  • I think people are too quick to crucify Hideo for not being the perfect idealized understanding liberal dad.
    Is he perfect? No, but one could make the case that he's trying. Even before the possibility of sending Koichi to Whateley to snag a gadgeteer wife came to the table, he was not forcing the boy into a business or engineering track. He had hopes, true, and he was disappointed that the reality didn't match his hopes, but he didn't seem to punishing Koichi for that.
    He has concerns about the long-term viability of the family business -- the business that keep the family in comfort. He found a way for Koichi to help with the business and still pursue his dreams.
    Yes, he tasked Koichi with wooing and marrying Laura. But note the context of the conversation: at that point, Hideo did not know the exact nature of Whateley. He knew there was one gadgeteer girl at the school, so he tasked Koichi into aiming for her. He would probably be just as happy if Koichi brought back any other gadgeteer girlfriend -- or even a boyfriend (Koichi's sexuality hasn't been explored very much yet, he could be gay -- although, as a meta comment, I dislike the stereotype of someone associated with "non-manly" pursuits being gay.)
    He's not the perfect father, but he's hardly a villain.

    I note also that Koichi could get some serious attaboy points if he just convinced one upperclassman gadgeteer into working for his family's business after graduation -- not as as tight a tie as marriage (but then, with divorce so common, is marriage much of a tie nowadays?) but bringing the timetable forward for as much as three years.

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  • By and large, yes, on Hideo's view (vis a vis recruitment), from what I remember of Elrodw's and my discussions on the matter. Hideo, per last chapter is in a pinch in recruitment locally, so...
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  • Sir Lee wrote: I think people are too quick to crucify Hideo for not being the perfect idealized understanding liberal dad.
    Is he perfect? No, but one could make the case that he's trying. Even before the possibility of sending Koichi to Whateley to snag a gadgeteer wife came to the table, he was not forcing the boy into a business or engineering track. He had hopes, true, and he was disappointed that the reality didn't match his hopes, but he didn't seem to punishing Koichi for that.

    He's not the perfect father, but he's hardly a villain.


    From knowing a few people from very traditional Japanese famiies, Hideo is actually fairly progressive in his approach.


    I note also that Koichi could get some serious attaboy points if he just convinced one upperclassman gadgeteer into working for his family's business after graduation -- not as as tight a tie as marriage (but then, with divorce so common, is marriage much of a tie nowadays?) but bringing the timetable forward for as much as three years.


    This would probably be more useful for his company, as he would be able to get a foot in the door with students who are more likely to be looking for work directly, rather than having to wait.

    The Japanese government would also be supportive in this approach, as they would get people who can start work instantly, rather than waiting 3-4 years.

    Possibly Koichi could end up joining Pan-Asia, and getting sponsorship deals via this route. The students would have a better idea of their value to the companies concerned, so would charge commensurately more, but they'd be contributing from day one.

    This could also turn into the Japanese government being another recruiter haunting the grounds of Whateley, which would also give some material for entertaining vignettes. :D


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  • I am not a big fan of WU Japan behavior where corporate meets cultural overall, at least what we have been shown. Their behavior towards mutants in general reeks of 1920s and 1930s zaibatsu behavior. In fact, I don't see much of a difference between that slice of Japan and the Iron Dragon. Those who can't be absorbed into businesses (tech track) are sent to shadow schools used for less scrupulous activities. This story reiterates that the psychic arts mutants are shunned because it is presumed to be intrusive.

    How would Bianca's friend Tinker/Janine be treated if she was born into that culture? Her specialty doesn't make marketable products. She might be good for optimization, eventually, but would that be recognized? Or would she be treated the same way that the two punks treated her in the Quad in The Writing on the Wall?

    From what's been presented in this and other stories, at least thus far, I'm not sure.
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  • Katssun wrote: I am not a big fan of WU Japan behavior where corporate meets cultural overall, at least what we have been shown. Their behavior towards mutants in general reeks of 1920s and 1930s zaibatsu behavior. In fact, I don't see much of a difference between that slice of Japan and the Iron Dragon. Those who can't be absorbed into businesses (tech track) are sent to shadow schools used for less scrupulous activities. This story reiterates that the psychic arts mutants are shunned because it is presumed to be intrusive.

    How would Bianca's friend Tinker/Janine be treated if she was born into that culture? Her specialty doesn't make marketable products. She might be good for optimization, eventually, but would that be recognized? Or would she be treated the same way that the two punks treated her in the Quad in The Writing on the Wall?

    From what's been presented in this and other stories, at least thus far, I'm not sure.


    My feeling is that Janine would be recognized as a gadgeteer who makes what is essentially performance art. The ability to make Rube Goldberg devices / domino chains / etc is a tribute to both mechanical ability and artistic talent. Note that it was said in LatFC that Koichi could become a well-recognized artist in Japan. Artists are valued.

    As to mutants, I'll let Mage answer that, but it should be evident that far from being denigrated, Japan doesn't discriminate against mutants and is far more tolerant than the Whateley Universe US (and several other countries). As to devisors and gadgeteers, you really have to think of Sergei Korolyev or Werner von Braun (in the 60s) to get an idea of how a good engineer / gadgeteer can be somewhat of a 'rock star' to a large part of the nation. If either Mage or I gave that impression, that was a miss on our part. They aren't merely property of a zaibatsu to be used and exploited.

    I'm trying to understand why you're so negative on Japan. We're trying to show how different it is, and with regard to mutants, how much more friendly than the US.

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  • elrodw wrote: I'm trying to understand why you're so negative on Japan. We're trying to show how different it is, and with regard to mutants, how much more friendly than the US.

    I'm not trying to be negative, I'm really not. I just haven't gotten the same impression of what you and Mage are saying compared to what's been published so far. Or maybe it is all just my read of the stories. You're both saying it, but I don't feel like it's been shown as clearly in the published stories as both of your responses in the forums would indicate.

    The royal family has been shown to be very pro-mutant, but Islands in The Sun still had an undertone of Japan doing their best to rise in power to meet the threat of Iron Dragon. Stuff that the Fujihara's are up to. Not in a bad way, but in an "Oh, we ought to hurry," way. Yama Dojo also still exists. Are they not a government DeVille Academy-esque school for Japanese mutants?

    I don't think I've gotten a lot of the 'Japanese gadgeteers and devisors are rockstars.' I've gotten, 'a gadgeteer or devisor will get a job for life.' Which, if I remember right, is a bit standard in the Japanese office world. But that also makes me think of karōshi, or working someone to death. Which gadgeteers and devisors are very good at doing all on their own.

    I could be tainting your concepts with my own forced perspective of the real world.

    But I do feel like Hideo is completely ignoring his own son.
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  • Katssun wrote: The royal family has been shown to be very pro-mutant, but Islands in The Sun still had an undertone of Japan doing their best to rise in power to meet the threat of Iron Dragon. Stuff that the Fujihara's are up to. Not in a bad way, but in an "Oh, we ought to hurry," way. Yama Dojo also still exists. Are they not a government DeVille Academy-esque school for Japanese mutants?


    I think that Yama Dojo's and DeVille Academy's answer to that would be "Hell no." Both function as Vocational/Technical schools, but the similarities end there. For one thing, the Japanese Government, and by extension the Yama Dojo, has a duty to the Japanese people. DeVille Academy only owes what it's paid for and happily charges all that the market will bear.

    The Yama Dojo's job has been explained as educating and training Japanese mutants to be productive members of Japanese society. If they can't place their students in civilian jobs or academia, the government would logically be expected to make a place for them. The culture shock for mutant kids faced with entirely different social and legal expectations shouldn't be expected to be trivial. Complaining that their government is involved in helping them navigate that transition is almost as myopic as complaining that the US Government supports the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy.

    Because of the age that mutants manifest, they also have to balance youthful stupidity enthusiasm against the need to develop students' mental and physical abilities to the peak that can reasonably be achieved. Do you know who also has to do that on the government's dime with a slightly older group of young adults? West Point and Annapolis. Instead of kidnapping Bill or Rags, their team goes for something symbolic and harmless like Edgar Allen Poe's bust. The dojo may be disappointed that Whateley doesn't show them the respect that pranking them back would demonstrate, but Liz Carson probably chugs a bottle of devisor antacid at even the thought of Radioactive Condor Girl and The Intergalactic Space Pirate In Japan. (This needs to happen, btw.)


    Katssun wrote: I don't think I've gotten a lot of the 'Japanese gadgeteers and devisors are rockstars.' I've gotten, 'a gadgeteer or devisor will get a job for life.' Which, if I remember right, is a bit standard in the Japanese office world. But that also makes me think of karōshi, or working someone to death. Which gadgeteers and devisors are very good at doing all on their own.


    I'd recommend spending some time learning about how Japan views its master artisans, which is what gadgeteers and (especially) devisors are. Would some companies abuse such national resources, given an opportunity? Of course. The more Western they are, the more they can be expected to fixate on quarterly cash flows over long-term health.

    What makes you think that the Yama Dojo, given its position, would not put an effort into teaching their neurodiverse techies something about work/life balance - and how their favorite manga is presenting a horrible example?

    It's my understanding that the authors are trying to depict Japan and Asia as having their own cultures, instead of forcing them to be nothing more than colorful foreign-language dubs of North American culture. They are also trying to give their characters unique personalities, not just edgy combinations of identity labels. That should result in characters that don't fit you perfectly when you project yourself into their point of view.

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  • Have we seen Yama Dojo grads? Or any Yama Dojo ppl not being shadowy sneaky sneaks?

    The "low status recruiting" sounds like how and why Deville trains guttersnipes, finding invisibles, and making them good, hidden, criminals?

    Maybe that's just phrasing?
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  • Malady wrote: Have we seen Yama Dojo grads? Or any Yama Dojo ppl not being shadowy sneaky sneaks?


    The Imperial Palace guide who escorts Jiro Fujihara and Shinzuo Abe to a meeting with IOPS and the Celestial Empress' Voice is a Yama graduate.

    At Konohanasakuya Island, a team of the Yama Dojo's high school equivalent are on-hand masquerading as tourists.
    Karou Saito (Team leader. has at least taken Introduction to magic),
    Sakuya Kasai (healer, worked on healing Hikaru after an "oops", and is Tetsuko Kasai's younger sister),
    Miyako Yamada (wizard),
    Suzume Moto (nekomata avatar, nicknamed "Nyan-chan")
    Kotone Yamauchi
    two others.


    ="Islands in the Sun"]“Nyaa.   Slow the Americajin are.” Suzume snickered, but in a more serious tone, went on.  “It’s what I remember one paper saying.  ‘The war could have been avoided, if the government had asked if America was playing by Japan’s rules in diplomacy’.   Maybe we should tell Whateley’s students?”  She looked curious.
    Karou shook his head. “No.   The rules are that until Whateley pranks us back, we can’t tell the premier generalist school for supernaturals that we respect them, and consider them a sister school, Suzume-chan.”  Pausing, and smiling crookedly, he added.  “I do think I have an idea this year to try.”


    Apparently, Whateley Academy at this point is considered "inarguably the best non-Japanese school for magic." A good reason for the Sidhe Queen to continue her studies there, no?


    Malady wrote: The "low status recruiting" sounds like how and why Deville trains guttersnipes, finding invisibles, and making them good, hidden, criminals?


    Would you expect the Japanese to trust guttersnipes with the health of the Voice of the Celestial Empress?


    Rises The Sun wrote: Abe was aware still that the Dojo did not teach those of the the upper class, by and large, because the Dojo’s graduates went on to serve Japan in less glamorous roles.   Those of the highest classes had much given to them, but they also had much responsibility, including finding their own teachers, and tutors, to more properly put them on the path of service to Japan their rank required.  He had thought Abe had forgotten that.


    The Dojo of Shadows does not have the publicly-visible prestige that would suit a Goodkind, a Windsor, or a Myoujin.

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  • Well, the British would have issues about 'the best magic school', although it is the best one for mutants.
    Although we are sort of talking difference between Oxford and MIT here, so frankly either one would work for a good education

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    You realize a Yama graduate *teaches* at Whateley?

    Yama's *purpose* is to train *the backbone* of Japanese society, Good people doing good things, not noticed. As for how the Japanese view mutants: Gadgetters and Devs as I believe we've *tried* to show are viewed as master artists of technology. Hikaru's accorded the same position and respect as a Pope or Princess.
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  • MageOhki wrote: As for how the Japanese view mutants: Gadgetters and Devs as I believe we've *tried* to show are viewed as master artists of technology. Hikaru's accorded the same position and respect as a Pope or Princess.

    Yes. And the DOPS has been shown to be drastically more pro-mutant than most equivalents, aside from maybe Australia?

    But I'm not really sure how the general population feels about PK supers, energizers, exemplars or GSD cases. You both stated through Koichi that the Japanese are more wary about espers and empaths, but is it some degree of distancing, shunning, or is it no worse than someone might be concerning a particularly prying older neighbor trying to hook up a woman with their single grandson?

    Thank you for the responses, they've been very helpful at re-grounding me.
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  • Okay, either I'm blind, or we need to update the Wiki on Yama Dojo about these students and alumni I didn't know about.

    And also where those new ppl have their YD history given in-story.

    Tetsuko Kasai is therefore an implied Yama grad, given that her sister goes there.

    The Guide is nameless?

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    OH... The Coup still hasn't been counted yet. M3 gonna respond? When it's gonna happen? Questions, questions.

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    And yeah, I'd put "Hiding as Tourists" as "sneaky sneak", but we have non-SS examples, so OK.
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  • Katssun wrote: But I'm not really sure how the general population feels about PK supers, energizers, exemplars or GSD cases.


    In "Islands in the Sun", Megumi Fujihara is an exemplar (and gadgeteer), and her brother married one. Abe suspects Jiro might be a low-level exemplar himself. Megumi marrying an American required some familial convincing...

    It might come down to how much the mutant looks Japanese, though those who look like yōkai might be considered the wrong kind of Japanese.
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    5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #83 by MageOhki
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    MageOhki wrote: As for how the Japanese view mutants: Gadgetters and Devs as I believe we've *tried* to show are viewed as master artists of technology. Hikaru's accorded the same position and respect as a Pope or Princess.

    Yes. And the DOPS has been shown to be drastically more pro-mutant than most equivalents, aside from maybe Australia?

    As for the American gov't: Bluntly? There are elements (a lot of them, though the military is the most obvious, Treasury, Commerce, FBI, CIA, NSA.. I could go on, Forest Service!) that are strongly pro mutant. Elrodw touched on why they're being... well, quiet in the US. Remember, America (as the DOPS rep pointed out) has had several very bad events vis a vis powers/mutants.

    But I'm not really sure how the general population feels about PK supers, energizers, exemplars or GSD cases. You both stated through Koichi that the Japanese are more wary about espers and empaths, but is it some degree of distancing, shunning, or is it no worse than someone might be concerning a particularly prying older neighbor trying to hook up a woman with their single grandson?

    Thank you for the responses, they've been very helpful at re-grounding me.

    Japan started this process as mutants became more and more 'visible' (though a lot of the 'mutants' in Japan are yomi or hanayou... even with a MGC, they really shouldn't be classified as mutants as such, and Hikaru falls into this group. And yes, the yomi desended and yomi themselves made great strides in using DOPS to fully merge with Japanese soceity)

    One thing to understand: In Japan, the nail that sticks out gets hammered.
    This leads to this:
    As the spread of powers became obvious during the 70's and 80's, Japan took steps to find niches for powers in the culture/workforce. DOPS (which predated in some forms the last shougante!) took steps as they could math, and had some precog/divination, and used it. The fact that gag/devs were a *major* enhancement of economic power didn't hurt, as well as a cultural/religious background that predisposed Japanese to being at least leaning 'not be afraid' of such.

    (Somewhat similar to what they did in RL, with 'variant' acceptable behaviors/looks, just quicker, the range of 'not sticking out')
    Specifics (and remember, regional and age/mindset variants differ, but this is the *general* view, with one major exception: the Ryukyus. They are the only area to have active and high membership H1 type organizations. Hokkaido used to to some extent, but that was also due to the Ainu, and that's ramped down)

    GSD cases: More accepting than Americans, but it varies by region and GSD case (If you're a neko or kitsune mini, for example...) Even here, there's still room to work, and a lot get by by acting or doing this or that type work showing off their GSD, even if 'scary', to those who'd pay to see. As noted above, Japan is used to the concept of non human sentience, due to cultural factors and deliberate work, so, GSD is better off.

    Exemplars: By and large, they're usually decently treated, and most end up as idols, models, or in business where their brains are put to work. As well as highly sought after by the SDF and gov't.

    Energizers, depends on powers, but by and large, they're not usually at any serious risk.

    PK in general is fine as well, no matter what it is. It's cheaper to pay Lancer (and faster!) to lift tons up on a skyscraper, for example than to hire a crane, neh?.

    All of the above usually find work and well paying work.

    The areas where Japan really has issues with powers (and this isn't *mutants*, this is *all* sources of powers).

    Avatars: Generally it'd depend on the spirit, and how the spirit is *viewed*, as well as 'personal' variants. Sayuka from Yomi has a bakaneko which isn't viewed well at all by more conservative/tradtional people, and as such is a ward of the state. Hikaru otoh, has the premier avatar 'spirit' to Japanese, and as such...

    Mages: This isn't so much dislike/distrust, as a issue in training them. Again, see Islands of the Sun.
    Japanese mages by and large follow the traditional path of kotodama, onmyōdo, et al. This is an apprentice system, at that, while Western style mages are *rare*, and by and large are also (outside Yomi, and they have a small program, which is not much more than apprenticeship. This falls into the 'who's viewing it, group' and how the mage is doing his or her own thing. If a mage is acting as a shrine priest (or shrine maiden), no problems, but as they get out of that area... older/more conservative people will be.. uneasy.

    Now for the two that give the *most* headaches to their possessers:

    Shifter: Shapeshifting, nuff said. While this isn't as bad as below... it still brings issues, so a shifter (Adam, for example) has to walk a line, mind you, and there's some distrust to an openly known shifter. They're still not too badly off, live action production companies do pay very well.

    Psi (Empaths, Telepaths): This is the area where Japan recoils in a LOT of distrust/horror. Koichi is an exception here, simply because the *way* his projective empaty works. And that's only once it becomes known, before that? Iie...

    However, Artists are *respected* in Japan, and Koichi's power syngerizes insanely nicely with it. (And Artists get a hell of a lot more leeway)

    The reason for the recoil should be obvious. Receptive empaths, projective empaths telepaths all violate the 'inner walls' of Japanese culture. Japan (for what should be mostly OBVIOUS reasons) cannot have privacy on a physical level, by and large, and personal space is insanely small by any standard a western mind would have. But they're very much into mental privacy and respecting such. Gov't, otoh... well, PSA and DOPS wants as many telepaths as possible, duh.


    Again, as Hikaru's stories, and Koichi's situation points out, "Why are there a lot of Japanese at Whateley?" (After all, they're pro mutant, the corps PAY for schooling, and *good* schooling, that in RtS, even Carson generally admitted was good enough, and Yomi)

    1: Some are issei/nisei+ (If this is an trend or just an statistical aberration, we're not saying)
    2: Some are psis.
    3: Now, ah, Japanese culture. Not only would it be excessively costly for a ladder/elite (ie, for the rich) school for powers to be founded, or powers training in say, the Peer's School (Hikaru mentioned this in RtS) DOPS flat out started a process when Whateley came to their attention of internationalizing their 'upper class' metahumans.
    Whateley is used by DOPS and Japan *as* where the Rich kids (or those of high, high status.) go to learn about their powers.
    Two reasons: It *is* overall the best. And it gets the kids in question thinking *far* more 'internatonal' than the average Japanese does.
    (Side note, it also helps, or was an objective at least, to recruit MORE paranormals to Japan. Make no mistake Japan as a deliberate policy at the highest level of government being somewhat *ruthless here.* While not *openly* declaring themselves a safe haven for mutants, or like, they will not turn any away that want to come to Japan, and assimilate. Gag and Devs? They're met at the tarmac with job offers... *smiles*)

    Japan while not in the militarization mindset of pre WW2, made the choice at a high level to *embrace* mutants/powers as the survival of their nation and culture.
    And so, there is some elements that a scan would ring the bells of pre WW2 behavior.

    Hope this helps.

    Additional thought. Again, I touch on this in Island, and hint at it above: This also depends on the paranormal in question. If they behave within the niches, see above! If not... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllll. The nail...
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  • MageOhki wrote: If not... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllll. The nail...


    This!

    I personally know Japanese nationals who said that when they went back home to live, they had to "cut off parts of themselves" in order to fit in.

    The "internal privacy" part fits as well, where they are still the-people-they-were-when-i-met-them, but only online.

    I know a few others who left and didn't go back.

    However!

    This goes for almost every culture. Japan is a more blatant example to westerners, but only because most of us here, are not from Japan.

    Here in the UK, there's a different flavour of wyrdness, different social codes, and, different flavours of acceptable/un-acceptable behaviours.

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  • MageOhki wrote: As for the American gov't: Bluntly? There are elements (a lot of them, though the military is the most obvious, Treasury, Commerce, FBI, CIA, NSA.. I could go on, Forest Service!) that are strongly pro mutant. ..


    I would expect NASA in that list with special regards to gadgeteers (over devisors, repeatability is key to the scientific method)

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  • MisterD: It also didn't help as I noted in Islands, there's no help in assimilation, as well as a very 'standarized' popluation look.

    mhalpern: You can safely assume they hire gags whenever they can get away with it, just like the Air Force...
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  • IRL, and apparently in WU, Japanese schools are very good at some things but not very good with diversity. Not just at the international level, but even far more locally. A family from Shibuya-ku might fit in perfectly at one school but be "the wrong kind of Japanese" at another. At a practical level, it allows them to optimize their pedantics for one homogenous student population rather than spending much effort to address the "others". It is not a matter of social status or the like, but more a matter of subcultural differences in unconscious learning styles.

    A mutant (even with GSD) who was the "right kind" of Japanese before manifesting would still likely be so after manifesting as far as learning style is concerned.

    UK (/Commonwealth) and US schools are much better at addressing heterogenous student populations, but not as efficient at imparting specific knowledge and skills to those populations as the Japanese schools are at imparting them to their homogenous students.
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    Let me say this: As bicoastal and someone who's done both systems...

    It's not quite that. I'll point out that Japanese ('spc issei and nisei) tend to do *very* well in American schools.

    (So do other 'asian' for almost the same reasons.)


    I recommend you ponder *why*


    As for 'diversity and like... depends on the school, really. Some in Japan are very good, some aren't, but that's in a lot of ways due to how the system is designed, in some aspects.

    I'm not going to discuss American school systems, since that'll quickly go political.

    Japanese systems have flaws (some glaring, in fact, and obvious to those who study), and to be honest, it's also a bit beyond the discussion realm here.
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    5 years 8 months ago #89 by joreymay
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  • MageOhki wrote: Joreymay?

    Let me say this: As bicoastal and someone who's done both systems...


    My sourse may be a bit out of date, and a little less personal. Some time ago, my Aunt (an educator turned Buddhist priest) spent a few decades running a Zen Center in Tokyo. At one point, "the cousins" (my kids and her grandchildren) expressed an interest in spending a year there going to school. Being who she was, she researched the issue, including discussions with a number of educators and administrators there as well as reviewing relevant literature. The summary comes from what she told us. In particular, what the educators told her while discouraging the idea. This was in the 1990s, so things are likely to be a bit different by now.

    It's not quite that. I'll point out that Japanese ('spc issei and nisei) tend to do *very* well in American schools.


    As one would expect from my description. The more relevant issue is how gaigin children do in the Japanese schools. And the last I heard, it is still not all that good. It is also relevant to note that they don't (on average) do quite as well on the international standardized tests as their peers in the Japanese schools - particularly in math and science. Again, consistent with my description.

    (So do other 'asian' for almost the same reasons.)

    I recommend you ponder *why*


    According to the literature, the most prominent factors are highly engaged parents and subcultures which value schoolwork. Again, consistent.
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    MageOhki wrote: Joreymay?

    Let me say this: As bicoastal and someone who's done both systems...


    My sourse may be a bit out of date, and a little less personal. Some time ago, my Aunt (an educator turned Buddhist priest) spent a few decades running a Zen Center in Tokyo. At one point, "the cousins" (my kids and her grandchildren) expressed an interest in spending a year there going to school. Being who she was, she researched the issue, including discussions with a number of educators and administrators there as well as reviewing relevant literature. The summary comes from what she told us. In particular, what the educators told her while discouraging the idea. This was in the 1990s, so things are likely to be a bit different by now.

    It's not quite that. I'll point out that Japanese ('spc issei and nisei) tend to do *very* well in American schools.


    As one would expect from my description. The more relevant issue is how gaigin children do in the Japanese schools. And the last I heard, it is still not all that good. It is also relevant to note that they don't (on average) do quite as well on the international standardized tests as their peers in the Japanese schools - particularly in math and science. Again, consistent with my description.

    (So do other 'asian' for almost the same reasons.)

    I recommend you ponder *why*


    According to the literature, the most prominent factors are highly engaged parents and subcultures which value schoolwork. Again, consistent.


    As for gaijins or even haifu, (I qualify as the latter) at least in the 80's? Yes, *if* you join up post 3rd or 4th grade, there's issues.

    As for gaijin doing worse in Japanese systems... I dunno, I aced the Todai's exam...

    While I know some, who didn't do all that well, I also know that their *parents* weren't as invovled, as a Japanese parent would be. I also know Japanese kids who didn't do well, and their parents didn't care.

    *shrugs* Statistics *suggest*. They're not absolute. To get an accurate picture, you'd have to run *several* studies at once, and compare.
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