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Question You Don't Know Jak
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Hmm... Likely Tansy's deep in the know...
A shifter like that, and Security reports, means high-level Avatar, meaning likely sentient too? She'd want answers, no?
Her father's got a hand in this, so gotta figure what his game is...
Depending on how, and where that next meeting goes and is.. Alex will learn that Tansy's a lesbian?
But likely not gonna get hit on by Tansy, right? She's got Elaine and Wyatt?
Jak doesn't seem well informed, but he can tell the Bears are there, I think, but don't notice Mustang?
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
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Alex feeling out of sorts due to now hosting Jak, I wonder what is in store for him. I hope Alex's appetite calms down soon or his parents might need to take a loan with how much he is eating. The old spirit in the mirror trick, a good way to communicate but warn the kid first. Those are a lot of changes in a short amount of time, kind of obvious he is a mutant to anyone who knows him.October 8th, 2007
Penthouse, The Stratford Building, 1385 York Ave, New York, NY
At least Jak is a voyeur for Alex's sake, talk about performance anxiety if he was. Gah, I just knew Jak would pull something like this, give a teenage boy a pair of breasts and think it's no big deal. And Alex is a girl, way to go Jak, ease the kid into your power of shapeshifting instead of diving into the deep end first. Back to a boy, Alex definitely has an interesting journey ahead of him learning about the powers Jak is sharing with him.
Edwin cooking something up in the kitchen, a butler who is a good cook is a treasure. Bubble and Squeak, sounds interesting.
*starts to drool* And his mother has deadlines so Edwin has to take him to the train station, aww. Didn't leave his side for 4 days, his mother definitely cares about him. Uniforms ready by Miss Claire and with Tansy as his cousin things are going to be very interesting for him at Whateley.“A hearty provision, comprised of mashed potatoes mixed with cabbage and the moribund scraps American butchers deign to call bacon crowned with a single egg and, of course, the requisite confidential blend of spices.”
A private compartment for a 4-hour trip, you will be grateful for that when the trip is done, Alex. Sounds like Jak pulled Alex into the Dream Space, unicorns grazing, never let Jade know or Misty know. Interesting, a spirit pointing out it isn't the body but the soul which is you.Acela Express 2158 En-route to Concord, New Hampshire
Well, that is interesting, suppressing his dreams so he won't consciously remember them, curious why now. Leaving Alex alone to explore his new body and what he can change into, certainly a relaxed, laid back spirit Jak is.
So Whateley Universe's internet is even worse than ours with those, yikes.Wild conspiracy theories, secret societies, cabals of homosexual amphibians and mystics offering to sell the secrets of the cosmos for the low, low price of $19.95 plus shipping and handling were the order of the day.
Ooo, more details on the Contract, very interesting, especially that Primacy of Cost part.“The western occult tradition traces it's linage to Charlemagne and his Codice Iuris, by which the legal foundation of the tradition was laid and is recognized as the first step in moving the practice of magic from hedge practice and mystic trapping to a legally recognized profession,” he read, furring his brow as he scrolled through the somewhat dry historical summary. “What does that have to do with Solomon?” he asked, clicking a few links fruitlessly.
Finally a new page opened that caught his interest. “Solomon, King of Israel or Solomon the Wise was a noted magician and ruler (c)970-931 BCE and the author of the Contract with the metaphysical world that bears his name, governing the interactions with spirits and beings not native to the Prime Material Plane. What is...? Oh,” Alex muttered, following a link then back. “Use in warfare...Forbiddance of Attainder...Primacy of Cost? What the devil is...”
“Primacy of Cost?” a familiar voice asked. Alex looked up to find Jak sitting across from him again. “It means I can't give you something for free. And I can't take from you without offering something in return. Call it the 'no free lunch' rule,” the Spirit declared. “Not exactly what I would call erotic reading there, kiddo.”
So essence isn't just for magic, it is the thing which spirits need to keep existing, very interesting. Don't know if this was detailed before and I just forgot, heh. And with what Jak just said, does that mean Djinn aka Genies were just spirits bound to objects to be slaves? And using spirits to power magical items, ugh.“First and foremost, you are in what the highbrow types call the Prime Material Plane and it is where essence is generated. The stuff of life itself. That is what we spirits feed on, the way you humans need air and food and water. You suck it up and fritter it away in day dreams or fantasies your whole lives. From addicted gamblers fervently hoping for their big break to grandma's prayers to the Creator, it's all essence. We can only collect it in our hallow and to stay in our hallow all the time is dangerous. We can be captured and subjugated, just like you read about Solomon rounding us up and binding us to any and everything he had laying around. Until the Contract.”
Heh, when Alex was first making the deal with Jak I was a bit worried. Now he just seems like a spirit who wishes to help out the kid and benefit from him for the long run. Jak shifting like that and leaning forward into Alex's face is going to give him a complex at this rate.
And at the rate Jak is pestering Alex about it the boy won't arrive at Whateley still a virgin. Jak seems almost like Jessica Rabbit, Bugs Bunny, and an 80s teen movie protagonist all rolled into one.She leaned down, nose to nose, a fire dancing in her blue eyes. “You don't know me very well yet, so I'll let your former comment slide, this time. If some little miss out there wants a memory, well me taking care of my host is win/win for everybody. But compelling is cheating. There's no sport in making anyone do anything. You, of all people, should know that.”
Guess coming from New York a train station and town that small don't seem like much. That description, they sent Wyatt to pick the Alex up and he thinks he is going to have to deal with a jock bully just from how Wyatt appears and is dressed, is he in for a surprise. And Alex is lucky it is Wyatt, someone who knows his cousin Tansy so well, hehe.Amtrak Berlin Station, Berlin, New Hampshire
Finding out Wyatt is a Senior Emeritus due to his new power and being held for another year, Wyatt isn't even the biggest guy at Whateley I think. Wait until Alex sees Razorback. Pointers on having a spirit from Tansy plus Wyatt to go to as well, Alex is off to a good start at Whateley and not even on the school grounds yet. Sparring with Wyatt, that would scare some of the senior students to even think about.
Not a fan of chocolate bars, blasphemy! And the gargoyles send a shiver up another one's spine as they enter Whateley for the first time. And seeing all those buildings for the first time, wait until he gets inside the Crystal Hall. And meeting Elaine Claire, just hope his first time meeting Ms. Hartford is on good terms. Twain Cottage, Alex is going to get used to seeing some of the more unique students at Whateley quick living there.
Mr. Lord, I forget what we know about him right now, I hope he is one of the good student advisors. Trying out of the tennis team so put in Twain, interesting reason for it.
I think, not sure, this is the first time we've had a good physical description of Mr. Filbert. Rooming with Adam, so Alex is who Adam's new roommate is, nice.Behind the door was an extremely fit older man, somewhere around six feet or so, in a shirt like the one Wyatt was wearing with a whistle on a lanyard around his neck. He had a tanned, weathered face which was square shaped with a sharply defined jaw.
And learning he needs a codename before he gets stuck with one, though Adam should know not to call Lanie Loopy, she hates that nickname. Yikes, I remember this scene very well, when Adam confronted John about how he treats others, including not calling them by their names. Run along now and let Adam work this out for himself.
At the Crystal Hall and just the smells alone already have Alex impressed. Introduction to Maria and he can speak Spanish, wonder what he said to get her to blush and say that back to Alex. A guest at the Alpha dais, lucky kid. Dang, the poor kid is taken in at how beautiful Tansy is in that outfit and being herself now, even though they are cousins. And it seems her father didn't warn her Alex was coming to Whateley as a student.
At least Alex knows Lanie is off-limits, smart kid. Rats, Jak wants to keep the Indian Cave a secret. I wonder if he is a spirit that Grizzly and Kodiak have had bad dealings with in the past. And lying about his powers, that won't help him in the long-run when powers testing happens. At least Tansy is happy he is there.
A club of teachers who all have ascended Mt. Everest, I can believe that at Whateley. Richard Lord, interesting advisor for him to have, didn't know there was a Roof of the World Club. Jak didn't want Alex to tell about his shapeshifting even though he told Mr. Lord, just what are you keeping secret about yourself Jak? England through the Lens of Shakespeare, now that sounds interesting.General Classroom 206, Schuster Hall, Whateley Academy
Oh great, already dealing with bullies who think he is gay just because of his build and wearing loafers. Knee to Dump Truck's groin, then Alex gets sucker-punched and trips over Thatcher onto the ground, then gets kicked in the kidney. Jak isn't letting Alex go down like this, takes control it seems and forms claws before he tears into one of his attackers, almost going for the throat before Wallflower traps him in an opaque bubble. Yikes, Code One, these bullies picked the wrong person to mess with.
And of course, Alex is in Mrs. Carson's office, oh boy. Handcuffed but Bardue removing them now. Yikes, being made to look into Carson's eyes when she is this angry, scary doesn't cover it. Ouch, a new record for being brought before Mrs. Carson for getting in trouble on campus, there goes his good time at Whateley. Oh boy, upset because he is the second Walcutt to get in trouble on their first day at the Academy, no breaks for Mrs. Carson.
*eyes bug out* No wonder Thud freaked out when he shapeshifted, monstrous half-man, half-fox, Jak just had to push him. Poor Alex, not used to dealing with an administrator who just punishes him along with the bullies and no idea what to do when dealing with Mrs. Carson.
When you deal with that your whole life and suddenly have the power to make the bullies pay it would be hard to hold back. And Alex learned one major lesson about having a spirit, giving them control when you don't know what they will do is a bad idea unless it is a true life or death situation.“I've been bullied my whole life!” he shouted at her, confused and more than a little frightened by this strange conversation. In his experience, head masters didn't act this way. They prattled on about traditions and learning and then handed out punitive tasks. Elizabeth Carson seemed to want into his head and that terrified him. “You think I didn't know what was coming when they surrounded me? That I wasn't about to be beaten to a pulp?!”
Now this is priceless, about time she got some benefit from all the odds manglers going to Whateley. Be aware of your surroundings, good advice and I know it from experience from years of being bullied myself. Knowing his way around campus top priority, I hope he gets help when it comes to learning the tunnels at least.Genuinely confused, Alex asked, “What should I have done, Doctor Carson?”
The stern left her features and she almost smiled in a way that had him feeling warm all over. “Well, perhaps I will finally get some benefit from all these odds manglers attending my school and get a Walcutt who can be taught.”
Many spirits overreact when it comes to protecting their host, I think we've seen that more than once over the years in the stories.
He got off light, I think him asking Mrs. Carson what he should have done went a long way to show he wishes to learn and not keep making this same mistake. Wish more school administrators were like her.“So, you have a laptop?” she asked and waited for his nod. “Tonight, you will write a one thousand word plan for how you intend to learn from this encounter and steps you will take for corrective action, on my desk first thing tomorrow morning.”
Room 112 of Twain Cottage, and it figures Adam has that poster from Venus Inc., funny and sexy at the same time. Is Jak dressed like Link or Robin Hood? Alex really doesn't want to upset Mrs. Carson again, and Jak needs to learn to take things seriously sometimes. With that one quote, I'm guessing Jak is made up like Robin Hood.
Bwahaha! Using a quote from a tale he is in, Reynard the Fox is a tricky one. Sir Reynard, Reynard the Fox, Whiskey Jak, oh boy, just what has Alex gotten himself into. I figured who Jak was from Alex's origin tale, but I hope Reynard doesn't have some of his darker elements.Alex sighed as he looked at the strange creature and scratched his head. “Are you always so bent on getting even?”
With melodrama dripping off his form, the fox pantomimed shock so as to make a silent film star blush. “Oh 'tis ignoble death and mummery that consigned to the doom of fickle fame should I be reduced to this!”
Making fools of DT, Thud, and Thatcher, as long as he doesn't hurt them that sounds like fun.
Being taught feminine wiles by his cousin, well this just hit an 11 on the awkward scale.The Fox's eyes gleamed. “That makes it fun! Now, nothing makes a man stop thinking faster than the sweet coo of a woman's voice, and those three don't have a single brain to share between them.”
“You want me to change into a girl?” Alex asked hesitantly.
“Patience my skeptical host!” the fox soothed him. “First, to practice the feminine wiles, you'll need a teacher. And I know that cousin of yours is la femme fatale of the first rank. Let's pay her a visit and see if she knows blood is thicker than water.”
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Oh and isn't Kayda just going to have a peachy time with Raynard and Coyote running around teaching lessons in humility at the school!
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Anne wrote: Oh dear, Tansy is going to have a headache I suspect. 'Tis not enough that she should be the occasional chew toy for a certain mangy mutt, but now along comes Raynard the Fox?!
Oh and isn't Kayda just going to have a peachy time with Raynard and Coyote running around teaching lessons in humility at the school!
Don't forget that Sun Wukong stops by from time to time, and Raven can probably manifest through Miss Grimes, as well (though my impression is that that's less a host bond and more a student/mentor relationship). Oh, and there's also Tracer. That's at least five major Trickster gods/spirits on campus at least part of the time. Six if you count Circe, though she seems to have given up that role.
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ebony841 wrote: Who is the Reynard the fox anyway? Is that another name for Wisakedjek?
Reynard is an anthropomorphized fox featured in many European folk tales.
As Sir Russell (In "The Nun's Priests Tale" from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales ), Reynard is the cunning fox who got the best of Chanticleer the Rooster.
Wisakedjek , aka Whiskey Jack is the Gray jay (a bird spirit), who's also a trickster of note in Algonquin and Chippewa/Ojibwe and Cree legend. Some writers conflate him with Ajijaak (Crane), one of the Anishinaabe clan totem spirits. That makes him a manitou, any way one approaches it.
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null0trooper wrote:
ebony841 wrote: Who is the Reynard the fox anyway? Is that another name for Wisakedjek?
Reynard is an anthropomorphized fox featured in many European folk tales.
As Sir Russell (In "The Nun's Priests Tale" from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales ), Reynard is the cunning fox who got the best of Chanticleer the Rooster.
I'll add that the critter's stories were so famous here in France at the time they were written that we changed the way we called foxes from 'goupil' to 'renard' thanks to them.
Also looks a bit strange he's associated with cranes and birds. I know, shapeshifter, but that makes me curious about why he doesn't seem to use the crane/bird version of his form here.
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Hardric wrote:
null0trooper wrote:
ebony841 wrote: Who is the Reynard the fox anyway? Is that another name for Wisakedjek?
Reynard is an anthropomorphized fox featured in many European folk tales.
As Sir Russell (In "The Nun's Priests Tale" from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales ), Reynard is the cunning fox who got the best of Chanticleer the Rooster.
I'll add that the critter's stories were so famous here in France at the time they were written that we changed the way we called foxes from 'goupil' to 'renard' thanks to them.
Also looks a bit strange he's associated with cranes and birds. I know, shapeshifter, but that makes me curious about why he doesn't seem to use the crane/bird version of his form here.
He's a trickster but his host doesn't quite know that, or at least hasn't figured out which trickster he is. By using the Jak name but the Fox form, he obscures it a little, which is a good way to teach him how to hide who he is
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Schol-R-LEA wrote:
Anne wrote: Oh dear, Tansy is going to have a headache I suspect. 'Tis not enough that she should be the occasional chew toy for a certain mangy mutt, but now along comes Raynard the Fox?!
Oh and isn't Kayda just going to have a peachy time with Raynard and Coyote running around teaching lessons in humility at the school!
Don't forget that Sun Wukong stops by from time to time, and Raven can probably manifest through Miss Grimes, as well (though my impression is that that's less a host bond and more a student/mentor relationship). Oh, and there's also Tracer. That's at least five major Trickster gods/spirits on campus at least part of the time. Six if you count Circe, though she seems to have given up that role.
Plus it has been (WoG i believe, not sure) hinted that Puck is one of the Queens of the Five fold Court, but there has yet to be a confirmed appearance of them which isn't saying much because Puck is a trickster and if true would most likely be of a native shifter race, such as the Pooka. In that situation the only tell tale that the spirit would be Puck specifically and not another of their kind other than them identifying themselves directly, would be the ability to change the form of others.
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Anne wrote: On another tack, what happened to Tizzy and company who were hanging around DT and sort of moderating his and his sycophants' behavior at the end of last year? Did the summer put paid to those relationships, and cause DT to slip back into his rather idiot ways?
By "DT" do you mean Dump Truck? He's a freshman, and not dating Tisiphone.
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Anne wrote: On another tack, what happened to Tizzy and company who were hanging around DT and sort of moderating his and his sycophants' behavior at the end of last year? Did the summer put paid to those relationships, and cause DT to slip back into his rather idiot ways?
Different kids. You're thinking of TNT, which is composed of Nitro, Tee-Kay and Truck.
These would be the Bad Boyz which is made up of Matt "Dump Truck" Thatcher, Bill "Thud" Henderson and Ernie "Bull Dozer" Schuler. They're all freshmen.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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My apologies for messing up the room assignments page - it does look like there are student rooms on the first floor. I've corrected Poe and Twain.
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Maybe we should be less worried about Alex spying on Tansy, and more worried about Renard encouraging Alex to take over Tansy's former role in her father's business dealings.
Tansy hated what he asked of her, and it twisted and scarred her for a long time.
Renard seems like the type who would enjoy what Ted would ask a shifter to do in Tansy's place.
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Anne wrote: I suspect that once Reynard gets a general whiff of Ted's spiritual emanations that his only intention will be to run him in knots.
Would Ted be a worthy target? It's no fun outsmarting the village idiot (usually).
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Anne wrote: I suspect that once Reynard gets a general whiff of Ted's spiritual emanations that his only intention will be to run him in knots.
The arc with Tansy and her father has already been written out to 10/27. Amelia Hartford has set Cyberkitty (Page Donner) on him for a planned violation of Whateley Neutrality. He's to be utterly destroyed. See To Seal Our Happiness, Part 3.
Also, Ted was in the hospital room with Alex and Jak; Jak has had lots of opportunity to sniff out Ted's "spiritual emanations."
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Also, as you can see with the turkey bacon segment, Epicurious loves trolling their experts with examples which are outside their zone of expertise. The reaction which the sausage expert had when confronted with veggie sausages was priceless.
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(I know something of the world, but I never got the chance to play the three characters I had for it - the Hermetic mage Dr. Eight, Shameless the exiled Tir na Og ranger, and the previously mentioned cyberpsycho, Pierre the Foot - more than a few times each. Still, nice shout out, and one that fits the WA 'verse just fine.)
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About Tansy and Alex' shifting abilities. It would IMO spice up the story if Alex were to approach (or be sent to) Tansy for help with female fashion/dress/poise and for a slightly mischievious (or vindictive) Tansy to help, for a price. That price being that Alex join Venus Inc if they rush him. Venus Inc is IIRC always looking for male members.
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Dreamer wrote: Introduction to Maria and he can speak Spanish, wonder what he said to get her to blush and say that back to Alex.
Sorry, Dreamer, My eyes must have glazed over this when I first read your response. For those curious, the exchange goes like this, now in English...
You Don't Know Jak wrote: Maria arched an eyebrow. “¿Tu hablas español? (You speak Spanish?)” She asked.
Walcutt decided to a bit bold and to try and impress Wyatt. “Sí, solo en la más grande de las lenguas latinas puede un hombre verdaderamente profesar su amor a una mujer hermosa! (Yes, only in the greatest of Latin languages can a man truly profess his love for a beautiful woman!)”
Maria actually blushed a bit. “¡Ve a comer tu almuerzo, pequeño pícaro! (Go eat your lunch, little rogue!)” she scolded him, waving a finger in his direction. “And it is señora to you, hombre!”
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791