Question The Bad Seeds

Had this question pop into my head while editing/rewriteing DeVille's Luck for re-posting; We know Jadis and Mal have known Jobe for ages (Poo-tonium!) but when did they meet the other Bad Seeds? Cheese seems like he was someone they just met in 2006, but the others??

I'd guess that they only met Dragonrider at Whateley, since her father tried to keep his children as far away from his job as possible.

Nacht was probably also met at Whateley, since her mother isn't nearly high level enough to deal with Dr. Dad.

Neph and Rosethorn I could see going either way, either knowing or not.

I agree that Cheese is probably new.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Nacht was probably also met at Whateley, since her mother isn't nearly high level enough to deal with Dr. Dad.

Nacht's mother probably doesn't move in the same circles as Dr. Dad, but it wouldn't surprise me if Sunny knew him, or even that they used to date.

Isodecan wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Nacht was probably also met at Whateley, since her mother isn't nearly high level enough to deal with Dr. Dad.

Nacht's mother probably doesn't move in the same circles as Dr. Dad, but it wouldn't surprise me if Sunny knew him, or even that they used to date.

Oh dear God, maybe Sunny is Jadis's mother.

No, I think that there's a fair chance that Jadis' deductions are on the money.
OTOH, we still have no clue on who is Mal's mother...

Sir Lee wrote: No, I think that there's a fair chance that Jadis' deductions are on the money.
OTOH, we still have no clue on who is Mal's mother...

I slap my forehead thrice.

I didn't even notice that...

Sir Lee wrote: OTOH, we still have no clue on who is Mal's mother...

Gizmatic.

I do not believe "Red Card" is cannon" but as I recall it the White Witch was mining for enough time to be mother to both of the Diabolic kids.

The Seeds MID's are likely only marked as Student, not Villain, correct?

Unless they committed a crime they'd be students.
If the MCO tried to put anything else, they'd probably run into trouble from very angry parents. Also most of the Bad Seeds wouldn't be known to be related to villains by the MCO.

It's always possible that an overly zealous MCO agent, who knows who they are, could tag a person with a border that shouldn't be on an MID much like they try to stick a DFA on them... but none of the cards we've been told about have had that done to them. Also, if it WERE done then it could probably get fixed pretty quickly since it wouldn't correspond with the criminal background required when checked.

It WOULD make for an interesting twist for someone's story though...

Woe to the MCO goon who tried that, say, on Mal. He would have to deal with something far worse than an angry Dr. Dad -- he would have to deal with PARKY. The MCO would be lucky to have two pennies to rub together when he got through with them.

For some reason, I think tnat one of the Seeds has a criminal record, but I can't remember which story it was mentioned in. It was one that isn't used much. So not Jadis, Mel, Dragonrider, or Thrasher.

the idiot Devisor/Mage that no one likes. Can't remember his name. The one who was duct taped to a toilet all night by Eldritch.

Domoviye wrote: the idiot Devisor/Mage that no one likes. Can't remember his name. The one who was duct taped to a toilet all night by Eldritch.

You mean Nephandus?

Yes.
I recall it said in his Wiki entry that he has a criminal record.

Sir Lee wrote: Woe to the MCO goon who tried that, say, on Mal. He would have to deal with something far worse than an angry Dr. Dad -- he would have to deal with PARKY. The MCO would be lucky to have two pennies to rub together when he got through with them.

I think with Goodkind money backing the MCO they could hire enough lawyers to swamp Parky, but what fight that would be, kinda like a master martial artist being attacked by a horde of barely trained mooks. Then there's the appeals, counter appeals, private investigators digging up anything and everything. OTOH a legal battle might be cheaper than Dr. Dad getting involved, at least cheaper in a collateral damage kinda way.

Either way I'd like to see it, but from a secure bunker with lots of popcorn.

Well, in the grand old traditions of bullies, from the Pharaohs on down, the MCO has very strict- if unofficial- rules about picking on anybody who act or will actually fight back. Just as the IRS targets people who can't afford good Tax Lawyers, the MCO tends to focus on Middle and Working Class targets, who aren't as clear on the exact rules as the Professional and Upper Class types are. And the Poor? Well, let's fact it: those mutants who come from an actively impoverished background, regardless of ethnicity, are pretty roundly screwed.

Sir Lee wrote: Woe to the MCO goon who tried that, say, on Mal. He would have to deal with something far worse than an angry Dr. Dad -- he would have to deal with PARKY. The MCO would be lucky to have two pennies to rub together when he got through with them.

And if was really mad, he would ask Jadis for help.

of course the ones with perfect memory that have read the law books and MCO charter can be quite capable in the legal department, provided they don't just disappear them, right to an attorney doesn't have to be exorcised if the defendant knows the legal system.

Looking through the Bad Seeds, seeing who's only got one parent listed... And then there's Thrasher, whose mother is regarded as Super-scary by Sabertooths, and his dad (Jacob Thurston) has a wife, Jaqueline.

But, is Jaqueline, Thrasher's mother? And so, a Super-scary villain?

Malady wrote: Looking through the Bad Seeds, seeing who's only got one parent listed... And then there's Thrasher, whose mother is regarded as Super-scary by Sabertooths, and his dad (Jacob Thurston) has a wife, Jaqueline.

But, is Jaqueline, Thrasher's mother? And so, a Super-scary villain?

She doesn't have to be a villain to be Super-scary. She could just have that dominant a personality.

The Bad Seeds Fall 2007 Freshman potential new members:

Ribbon - "daughter" of Lady Havok
Knockoff - daughter of Setup
Sphere - "sister" of Pinball
Lodestone - daughter of unnamed minion
Absinthe (not really) - daughter of MCO Agent
Jessie - daughter of Harrow family
Vivian (not a freshman) - daughter of Harrow family
Mischief (not likely) - protege of Imp
Sophia - daughter of Black Strega
Gwen (if she attends) - daughter of Mr. Magic

Am I missing anyone?

Bum Bum Cutey Pants son and sometimes daughter of Mr. Hartford. Kappa

I get the feeling that Knockoff wouldn't be very likely, because her mother works for the "good guy" spy agencies as much as she works as a contract villain. But her roommate flipping the fuck out at her might force her to join, simply for the mutual protection that the group provides.

Ribbon might be forced into it as well, much to her own amusement. Carson's 'selfish' escapade clearly is meant to have wide-reaching implications for Alyss.

I'm not thinking Sphere will end up with the Seeds. Jackie wasn't intending on a life of crime until she was forced into it, and Dana got caught into it the same way as her spiritual sister.

Lodestone seems to be very content at hiding her connections to the underworld, so I feel that she's unlikely as well.

Jessie and Viv will undoubtedly attempt to beat Cheese's record at getting into The Book, with Jessie succeeding and Viv failing to beat Cheese's record, but still getting in.

Envy yes, but also no. She comes off as more of shadow member to me. Inducted as a member because Strega is Strega, but not a particularly active member,

I don't think I'm giving anything away by stating that the "content" (how many new seeds) and "quality" (what is a seed... really) HAVE been discussed with regards to Bad Seeds in Year 2.

DanZilla wrote: ... (what is a seed... really)...

Seed (noun): a flowering plant's unit of reproduction, capable of developing into another such plant.

Honestly, I don't think Ribbon will be in the Bad Seeds, sure she may be pushed in that direction, but she wont be an official member, for one thing YES Lady Havok is a well known villain, but she wasn't nearly as enterprising as many, a loner, and intentionally so, any student who's been at Whateley a month would be able to recognize Diedricks and what it can do, while very few suffer to the extremes of Rachel Megan Morgan, nor do all devisors have the same degree of inventive urge, all have it but to different extents. It isn't like with other villain parents who are killers that chose their professions, not only does Alyss not want to go that path, but any footage of Lady Havok killing people would stand out as Diedricks, in a BIG WAY. Lodestone has more reason to be there, even though her father was a minion, she wants the contacts, though she might join the Masterminds instead, as her father was a criminal red shirt.

Remember though the Bad Seeds is for students whose parents or other relatives are villains, NOT necessarily future super villains (Jadis for example), the closest counterpart they have is Star League Junior, not the Cape Squad, the counterpart to the Cape Squad are The Masterminds.


With that said Mischief cannot be in the Bad Seeds, Lodestone would have trouble making her case, Sphere might have a case if she pushed for it, but honestly she could get by explaining her record (which is likely to be sealed and/or expunged) as "overzealous MCO ass tried to kill me, 'nuff said" and not go into crime at all. Knockoff is a perfect candidate for the seeds regardless of ambitions.

It's important to remember that The Bad Seeds above all else are a group in which students whom would have a hard time getting ANY positive social experience (including wanna be minions as a negative) thanks to who their relatives are, to have a social outlet.

To that end Alyss wouldn't gain much, the people who would be put off by Lady Havok being her "mother" are the same people who wouldn't interact with her because they find her creepy, or think of her as being too young for them, a few of them might be more hostile, but fewer of those would think about getting physical, she's a little girl, a creepy, Ex-6 little girl, but they don't want to appear to be beating up a 10 year old- which is another reason why she doesn't need the Bad Seeds, even if she was inclined to go into the hero or villain business, she has a bit of a problem, if she went villain, it'd be kinda hard to rob a bank when the "hostages" see an adorable little girl, and same goes for hostage rescue "Shush, I'm here to rescue you" "How CUUTE!"

Valentine wrote: The Bad Seeds Fall 2007 Freshman potential new members:

Ribbon - "daughter" of Lady Havok
Knockoff - daughter of Setup
Sphere - "sister" of Pinball
Lodestone - daughter of unnamed minion
Absinthe (not really) - daughter of MCO Agent
Jessie - daughter of Harrow family
Vivian (not a freshman) - daughter of Harrow family
Mischief (not likely) - protege of Imp
Sophia - daughter of Black Strega
Gwen (if she attends) - daughter of Mr. Magic

Am I missing anyone?

There's at least one other potential bad seed among the freshman. Probably. She is a Morpheus character from the fanfics, and it's possible that she lost her Bad Seed eligibility when she was converted to canon. I'm not saying who, because spoilers.

mhalpern wrote: Honestly, I don't think Ribbon will be in the Bad Seeds, sure she may be pushed in that direction, but she wont be an official member, for one thing YES Lady Havok is a well known villain, but she wasn't nearly as enterprising as many, a loner, and intentionally so, any student who's been at Whateley a month would be able to recognize Diedricks and what it can do, while very few suffer to the extremes of Rachel Megan Morgan, nor do all devisors have the same degree of inventive urge, all have it but to different extents. It isn't like with other villain parents who are killers that chose their professions, not only does Alyss not want to go that path, but any footage of Lady Havok killing people would stand out as Diedricks, in a BIG WAY. Lodestone has more reason to be there, even though her father was a minion, she wants the contacts, though she might join the Masterminds instead, as her father was a criminal red shirt.

Remember though the Bad Seeds is for students whose parents or other relatives are villains, NOT necessarily future super villains (Jadis for example), the closest counterpart they have is Star League Junior, not the Cape Squad, the counterpart to the Cape Squad are The Masterminds.


With that said Mischief cannot be in the Bad Seeds, Lodestone would have trouble making her case, Sphere might have a case if she pushed for it, but honestly she could get by explaining her record (which is likely to be sealed and/or expunged) as "overzealous MCO ass tried to kill me, 'nuff said" and not go into crime at all. Knockoff is a perfect candidate for the seeds regardless of ambitions.

It's important to remember that The Bad Seeds above all else are a group in which students whom would have a hard time getting ANY positive social experience (including wanna be minions as a negative) thanks to who their relatives are, to have a social outlet.

To that end Alyss wouldn't gain much, the people who would be put off by Lady Havok being her "mother" are the same people who wouldn't interact with her because they find her creepy, or think of her as being too young for them, a few of them might be more hostile, but fewer of those would think about getting physical, she's a little girl, a creepy, Ex-6 little girl, but they don't want to appear to be beating up a 10 year old- which is another reason why she doesn't need the Bad Seeds, even if she was inclined to go into the hero or villain business, she has a bit of a problem, if she went villain, it'd be kinda hard to rob a bank when the "hostages" see an adorable little girl, and same goes for hostage rescue "Shush, I'm here to rescue you" "How CUUTE!"

Alyss may join the Seeds, just to be able to regularly talk to them about dealing with being the "daughter" of a Supervillain. While Lady Havoc might not be world famous, she was recognized by a fewof the students and staff. I doubt very few people outside thet Gearheads have any clue about her ratings.

I could see Sphere, Mischief, and Gwen rushing the Seeds because they would find it humorous to join. Unless it's changed, Sphere almost brags about her Supervillain big sister.

Being a Seed doesn't disqualify a student from social interaction, it's really just another club who backs each other up when they get abused.

Lindsay is well liked around campus, despite being a Seed and the (honestly) greater stigma of being in Wondercute. Only the pyscho hero types treat her particularly poorly.

Awwww, Sphere...

I could see Envy, Sphere, and Ribbon joining the periphery of Bad Seeds. At the very least all of them could warrant a full introduction to the entire group and an invitation they could then decline.

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote: Honestly, I don't think Ribbon will be in the Bad Seeds, sure she may be pushed in that direction, but she wont be an official member, for one thing YES Lady Havok is a well known villain, but she wasn't nearly as enterprising as many, a loner, and intentionally so, any student who's been at Whateley a month would be able to recognize Diedricks and what it can do, while very few suffer to the extremes of Rachel Megan Morgan, nor do all devisors have the same degree of inventive urge, all have it but to different extents. It isn't like with other villain parents who are killers that chose their professions, not only does Alyss not want to go that path, but any footage of Lady Havok killing people would stand out as Diedricks, in a BIG WAY. Lodestone has more reason to be there, even though her father was a minion, she wants the contacts, though she might join the Masterminds instead, as her father was a criminal red shirt.

Remember though the Bad Seeds is for students whose parents or other relatives are villains, NOT necessarily future super villains (Jadis for example), the closest counterpart they have is Star League Junior, not the Cape Squad, the counterpart to the Cape Squad are The Masterminds.


With that said Mischief cannot be in the Bad Seeds, Lodestone would have trouble making her case, Sphere might have a case if she pushed for it, but honestly she could get by explaining her record (which is likely to be sealed and/or expunged) as "overzealous MCO ass tried to kill me, 'nuff said" and not go into crime at all. Knockoff is a perfect candidate for the seeds regardless of ambitions.

It's important to remember that The Bad Seeds above all else are a group in which students whom would have a hard time getting ANY positive social experience (including wanna be minions as a negative) thanks to who their relatives are, to have a social outlet.

To that end Alyss wouldn't gain much, the people who would be put off by Lady Havok being her "mother" are the same people who wouldn't interact with her because they find her creepy, or think of her as being too young for them, a few of them might be more hostile, but fewer of those would think about getting physical, she's a little girl, a creepy, Ex-6 little girl, but they don't want to appear to be beating up a 10 year old- which is another reason why she doesn't need the Bad Seeds, even if she was inclined to go into the hero or villain business, she has a bit of a problem, if she went villain, it'd be kinda hard to rob a bank when the "hostages" see an adorable little girl, and same goes for hostage rescue "Shush, I'm here to rescue you" "How CUUTE!"

Alyss may join the Seeds, just to be able to regularly talk to them about dealing with being the "daughter" of a Supervillain. While Lady Havoc might not be world famous, she was recognized by a fewof the students and staff. I doubt very few people outside thet Gearheads have any clue about her ratings.

I could see Sphere, Mischief, and Gwen rushing the Seeds because they would find it humorous to join. Unless it's changed, Sphere almost brags about her Supervillain big sister.

Ribbon's ratings- word gets around fast, especially once she goes up against someone who can take the hit in BMA or she accidentally sends someone to Doyle, yes Havok was recognized by a few, but the fact remains she has Diedricks, and while it doesn't absolve her from her crimes, the fact that she turned herself in and made her own restraining devise will lessen her 'evilness' to all but the most psycho of 'hero' types... She may have problems in History..

Sphere brags about how cool she is, but she also appreciates when anything that comes from her has the receipt with it, she respects the fact that her sister didn't choose her carrier, and besides its not like Pinball is a killer, she may have been forced to defend herself at some point, but she doesn't go around killing people, like Imp, Pinball didn't choose her career, but she is still pretty good at it.

Mischief isn't related to any villains, unless her father asks an IMPortant question and the IMPlied proceedings take place, she would (to the Bad Seeds) qualify as "minion wannabe" and thus be kept out.
Gwen's presence at Whateley proves her father isn't the anti-mutant, make kids disappear type, by any logic that they would invite her, they would have invited Ayla.

mhalpern wrote: Ribbon's ratings- word gets around fast, especially once she goes up against someone who can take the hit in BMA or she accidentally sends someone to Doyle, yes Havok was recognized by a few, but the fact remains she has Diedricks, and while it doesn't absolve her from her crimes, the fact that she turned herself in and made her own restraining devise will lessen her 'evilness' to all but the most psycho of 'hero' types... She may have problems in History..

Sphere brags about how cool she is, but she also appreciates when anything that comes from her has the receipt with it, she respects the fact that her sister didn't choose her carrier, and besides its not like Pinball is a killer, she may have been forced to defend herself at some point, but she doesn't go around killing people, like Imp, Pinball didn't choose her career, but she is still pretty good at it.

Mischief isn't related to any villains, unless her father asks an IMPortant question and the IMPlied proceedings take place, she would (to the Bad Seeds) qualify as "minion wannabe" and thus be kept out.
Gwen's presence at Whateley proves her father isn't the anti-mutant, make kids disappear type, by any logic that they would invite her, they would have invited Ayla.

Technically the bad seeds are for the children of supervillans. If you include anyone who has a supervillen in the family the number of them grows quite a bit.
More so depending on how you define supervillan. Gwen, Ayla and Sara's parents could easily be defined as supervillans from some point of views.

Iirc, said Morpheus fanfic character was in the process of approaching the seeds, and potentially trying to join them.

That's where the fanfic ended as Morpheus started to convert them.

mhalpern wrote: Ribbon's ratings- word gets around fast, especially once she goes up against someone who can take the hit in BMA or she accidentally sends someone to Doyle, yes Havok was recognized by a few, but the fact remains she has Diedricks, and while it doesn't absolve her from her crimes, the fact that she turned herself in and made her own restraining devise will lessen her 'evilness' to all but the most psycho of 'hero' types... She may have problems in History..

Sphere brags about how cool she is, but she also appreciates when anything that comes from her has the receipt with it, she respects the fact that her sister didn't choose her carrier, and besides its not like Pinball is a killer, she may have been forced to defend herself at some point, but she doesn't go around killing people, like Imp, Pinball didn't choose her career, but she is still pretty good at it.

Mischief isn't related to any villains, unless her father asks an IMPortant question and the IMPlied proceedings take place, she would (to the Bad Seeds) qualify as "minion wannabe" and thus be kept out.
Gwen's presence at Whateley proves her father isn't the anti-mutant, make kids disappear type, by any logic that they would invite her, they would have invited Ayla.

Ribbon's strength may or may not get around. Remember that she is overly conscious of both her strength and temper. She is quite likely going to pull her punches in BMA, and her confrontation with Bloodwolf ended with him wrapped in ribbons, not beaten to a pulp.

Yes Lady Havoc did turn herself in, but Thrasher's dad is retired and no longer a villain. Gizmatic isn't really a villain anymore either. I'm half convinced that Cheese is just some kid, that made up his whole parentage.

Yes Sphere is happy when Pinball buys her stuff, instead of stealing it, but she also brags about her Supervillain sister.

I wasn't really serious about Absinthe being able to join, or Mischief being able to join. Although I can still see Mischief trying to join, in a mischievous sort of way.

If anything, Mischief is more likely to join the Masterminds, though she has told Imp before that she doesn't really want to be a villain anymore after the time she was kidnapped.

Katssun wrote: Lindsay is well liked around campus, despite being a Seed and the (honestly) greater stigma of being in Wondercute. Only the pyscho hero types treat her particularly poorly.

Lindsay is a bad example, because her father did something mystical to conceal her parentage. She doesn't make a secret of it exactly, but it doesn't really register either. My impression is that she doesn't hang out with the Seeds so much as hang out with Jadis (while Jadis is hanging out with the Seeds), who she is close friends with.

Indeed, most of campus doesn't seem to be capable of making the connection that she's a Bad Seed unless she tells them herself.

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote: Ribbon's ratings- word gets around fast, especially once she goes up against someone who can take the hit in BMA or she accidentally sends someone to Doyle, yes Havok was recognized by a few, but the fact remains she has Diedricks, and while it doesn't absolve her from her crimes, the fact that she turned herself in and made her own restraining devise will lessen her 'evilness' to all but the most psycho of 'hero' types... She may have problems in History..

Sphere brags about how cool she is, but she also appreciates when anything that comes from her has the receipt with it, she respects the fact that her sister didn't choose her carrier, and besides its not like Pinball is a killer, she may have been forced to defend herself at some point, but she doesn't go around killing people, like Imp, Pinball didn't choose her career, but she is still pretty good at it.

Mischief isn't related to any villains, unless her father asks an IMPortant question and the IMPlied proceedings take place, she would (to the Bad Seeds) qualify as "minion wannabe" and thus be kept out.
Gwen's presence at Whateley proves her father isn't the anti-mutant, make kids disappear type, by any logic that they would invite her, they would have invited Ayla.

Ribbon's strength may or may not get around. Remember that she is overly conscious of both her strength and temper. She is quite likely going to pull her punches in BMA, and her confrontation with Bloodwolf ended with him wrapped in ribbons, not beaten to a pulp.

Yes Lady Havoc did turn herself in, but Thrasher's dad is retired and no longer a villain. Gizmatic isn't really a villain anymore either. I'm half convinced that Cheese is just some kid, that made up his whole parentage.

Yes Sphere is happy when Pinball buys her stuff, instead of stealing it, but she also brags about her Supervillain sister.

I wasn't really serious about Absinthe being able to join, or Mischief being able to join. Although I can still see Mischief trying to join, in a mischievous sort of way.

My point was that Ribbon doesn't need the Seeds. As for her strength EVERYONE slips up, and she doesn't exactly conceal it on inanimate objects, also how many students have means of accessing other student's MID ratings? And whether you know about her strength or not, she looks like a 10 year old girl, if security or a witness happens to come by, who do you think they are going to view more favorably, the hormone loaded teenager, or the cute little girl?
Gizmatic still provides services (rent a base, and technology) to the villain community,

I'm inclined to say it's a case of "could go either way." What we aren't considering is that Ribbon is a 40+ years old adult in a a 10 year old girl's body. He's been a daddy and a granddad. He's been through some shit. Instead of thinking about what the Bad Seeds could do for Ribbon... think of what RIBBON could do for the Bad Seeds, ESPECIALLY girls like Jadis, Nacht, or Lindsey, who desire a path OTHER than the one offered by their parent's career and the public's assumptions about them. Someone to listen, to guide, to advise. Yes, she's ten, but the Bad Seeds, on the whole, are a lot smarter at not being fooled by appearances than most other students.

Katssun wrote: If anything, Mischief is more likely to join the Masterminds, though she has told Imp before that she doesn't really want to be a villain anymore after the time she was kidnapped.

Agreed, and as Tabby has pointed out, Masterminds don't have to go black hat.

I could also see Mischief taking over the Secret Squirrels. But yeah, the Bad Seeds are not the place for her.


Ribbon might want to join the Bad Seeds just because Jobe might have some insights on to how to help with Diedricks.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: I could also see Mischief taking over the Secret Squirrels. But yeah, the Bad Seeds are not the place for her.


Ribbon might want to join the Bad Seeds just because Jobe might have some insights on to how to help with Diedricks.

Only the desperate work with Jobe,

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: I could also see Mischief taking over the Secret Squirrels. But yeah, the Bad Seeds are not the place for her.


Ribbon might want to join the Bad Seeds just because Jobe might have some insights on to how to help with Diedricks.

Only the desperate work with Jobe,

... How about working for Jobe? I wonder how well she pays...

Perhaps, but only vaguely. Jobe adheres to contract. If you were a contracted employee with a contract written by nephandus, Jadis, Diamondback, and I'm not sure, probably a fourth neutral party, you might stand a chance.

JG wrote:

I dont think Jobe has made the mental leap between the concept of servant and employee.

That's not a problem. The problem is whether or not she can differentiate between servant, employee and test subject.

Malady wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: I could also see Mischief taking over the Secret Squirrels. But yeah, the Bad Seeds are not the place for her.


Ribbon might want to join the Bad Seeds just because Jobe might have some insights on to how to help with Diedricks.

Only the desperate work with Jobe,

... How about working for Jobe? I wonder how well she pays...

Jobe pays in genetic "enhancements"

So who are the 2016 Bad Seeds, assuming the Bad Seeds are still a "group" on campus in some form.

AJ MIGHT join given his mother, IF he got outed as a Bad Seed. Same with dear Glyph. If she got outed as being connected to the white lady (not impossible given her very distinct appearance) she might end up a member, neither strikes me as the type to seek out the Seeds unless they feel compelled to it by outside forces.

Do we know, so far, of any other Super Villain's kids at Whateley in 2016? I can't think of any at the moment, but I'm also not fully caught up yet.

EDIT: well, reading "Writing on the Wall part 1" I just learned the Bad Seeds do still exist, and the names of a few, but still...

Iwasforger03 wrote: So who are the 2016 Bad Seeds, assuming the Bad Seeds are still a "group" on campus in some form.

AJ MIGHT join given his mother, IF he got outed as a Bad Seed. Same with dear Glyph. If she got outed as being connected to the white lady (not impossible given her very distinct appearance) she might end up a member, neither strikes me as the type to seek out the Seeds unless they feel compelled to it by outside forces.

Do we know, so far, of any other Super Villain's kids at Whateley in 2016? I can't think of any at the moment, but I'm also not fully caught up yet.

Spoilers: There are a group of Bad Seeds in Gen 2, and what is going on is covered in The Writing On the Wall by Morpheus. You'll have to read it, because otherwise it would spoil the story.

Just got there XD AFter posting. Thank you. I should relaly just catch up before I ask more questions, but I like questions, and answers, and even my reading speed still leaves me with a few days to go before I finish, given how little time I can actually devote to reading at the moment. I will be back to talk about them (and their parents) when I am caught up. Thanks for the answer Val!

So, Is Micky King from S&S any relation to Blinder and thus a Seed? Asking cause of the similar power sets.

Would the children of the founding members of Wondercute count as Bad Seeds, at least to the staff?

Cryptic wrote: Would the children of the founding members of Wondercute count as Bad Seeds, at least to the staff?

Why? Kids being what they are, reflexively rebellious, they probably are all Goths and Emos.
"Mmmmaaaawwwmmmm! ENOUGH with the lace and frills! And if I see another unicorn, I'm gonna HURL!"

Hey the Bad Seeds have membership rules.

The Second Book of Jobe wrote: "You can't do this!" Thrasher broke in.

"What? Make a clone body to help Psike?"

"Who cares about that?" He thrust a finger toward Feebs. "The newcomer! You can't just bring someone into the group! You know the qualifications! One or more parents must be a recognized super-villain or figure of global domination."

Although I wonder if they actually follow those rules...

Phoebes qualifies either way, it's Vamp who technically doesn't qualify for membership. Or at least didn't until recently. It now looks like her actual father might qualify...

Something that occurred to me: given that in Gen2, Ayesha Harrow (who is 6 in 2007, so she would be 15 in 2016, meaning she would probably be a high school sophomore) is not already a member of the Bad Seeds, then if she is at WA at all (she might not be, either because she hasn't manifested, or she chose not to go - keeping in mind that J.D. didn't go there either, and Viv only decided to later, and only because Jessie was going), or she's going under the radar and not associating herself with the Seeds, at least in public.

This doesn't mean she isn't involved with them - she may not want the all of the Seeds to know about her - but it seems unlikely she'd want them to even know about her.

If the latter is the case, there's a good chance Jessie and Viv (and later, Bart and Vic) weren't publicly associated with the Bad Seeds, either, as it is likely that there would be a record of at least Jessie's contributions to the Book. Also, Bart probably would have graduated in 2016 (though depending on his birthday and academic standing, he could be one of the seniors Esquire mentioned as being absent at that meeting), so if he had gone to Whateley, and he'd joined the Seeds, then the very at least Revel and Sister Secret would know about the Harrows from him, as well.

Either way, given how aggressive Esquire is about membership, if it were common knowledge that the Harrows were in the biz and Asha were at WA, then he would have at least tried to rope her into the Seeds.

Of course, Esquire MAY have found himself discovering that you can't press charges against alumni who aren't on record as being on campus for breaking into a secret clubhouse you're not supposed to have, tying you upside down over a pit that is against both the rules and the LAW , and threatening you for reasons you can't admit to

Bek D Corbin wrote: Of course, Esquire MAY have found himself discovering that you can't press charges against alumni who aren't on record as being on campus for breaking into a secret clubhouse you're not supposed to have, tying you upside down over a pit that is against both the rules and the LAW , and threatening you for reasons you can't admit to

How is the guy still member of the Bad Seeds? I mean, he seems even more scetter-brained than Nephandus, and even he had some shreds of survival instinct and some usefulness that the Bad Seeds of the time tolerated him, despite the fact he was clearly the club punching bag. Serge doesn' seem to have any talents or assets worth keeping him around, forcefully inducts members when he can, going far beneath the belt and making enemies for him and the club, when he succeeds, which doesn't seem that frequent, is giving the Bad Seeds even more of a bad name, and don't even bother to consider the club members as his banking account. I'm curious to know why they keep that guy around.

Since Harrow family policy, established by Jessie, is that you pay your own way through Whateley. Ayesha may not have the money, or decided that she had better use for it.

Hardric wrote: I'm curious to know why they keep that guy around.

"Guys, I want you to take the time to get to know Esquire well. In fact, I'd like you to know him so well that, when you are planning out a job of any kind, you can ask yourself 'What would Esquire do?' and plan for that one idiot subordinate you'll find in every crew to something that unfathomably wrong. For the record, please don't you be that subordinate either."

Valentine wrote: Since Harrow family policy, established by Jessie, is that you pay your own way through Whateley. Ayesha may not have the money, or decided that she had better use for it.

Perhaps she never manifested as a PSI, and became a pure Wiz instead, and simply apprenticed under Mara directly. Or her grandfather.

Or she's taking a year off high school in France and is occupied ruining DeVille ops.

So it was established in a Hank story that Jessie and Sophia made it to Whateley.

Has it been confirmed if they joined the Seeds yet?

Will we have to wait until Sphere, Knock-off, or Ribbon joins up to know for sure?

Were we promised more Scapegrace?