Question Jade
- Dawnfyre
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Stupidity is a capitol offense, a summary not indictable one.
- Dreamer
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- Phoenix Spiritus
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Now, the faces of the more experienced girls like Bugs the first time she shows off her new Hello Kitty Arsenal and a huge blade comes rocketing out the end, that would be priceless.
- Dreamer
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Nope, wouldn't happen. Second she brought it down to the workshop to modify it the teacher would see it and confiscate it. And use vague explanations as for why, like "It's for your own good." or "Because it's inappropriate, no I won't explain why." Only way it would work out is if she borrowed Bunny's tools to modify it herself and didn't show it to anyone until she wants to show it off.Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Of course Jade would be interested in them, they are Hello Kitty and just the right size to hold in your hand, and just tnink of all the weapons you could hid in them!
Now, the faces of the more experienced girls like Bugs the first time she shows off her new Hello Kitty Arsenal and a huge blade comes rocketing out the end, that would be priceless.
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- Phoenix Spiritus
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Looking up Techwolf smiled, Jade was at the door of his lab giving him puppy dog eyes again.
"Sure Generator, use whatever you like, just not the stuff on this bench here."
Smiling Jade danced in, making her way to Harry's meticulously laid out tool wall, reaching up carefully she took down a few tools, before turning back to Harry. "Ah, Harry, is there somewhere I can work here?" she begged.
Pointing to a bench Techwolf smiled. "Sure, I wasn't planning to use that bench until tomorrow, if you can have it free by then I don't mind you using it."
"Really?" Smile as big as her face had rushed over to Harry and hugged him. "Thankyou!"
Hugging her back, Harry inquired. "What are you working on?"
"This!" Jade declaired holding out an object that caused Techwolf to stare, and the start blushing.
"Do you know what that is?" He gasped
"Uh huh. It's a Hello Kitty vibrator, Fey called vibrators 'magic wands' and I found a Hello Kitty one and ordered it, isn't it great?"
Voice strained, almost horse Techwolf croaked out. "Jade! What are you going to do with it?"
"Upgrade it!" Jade cried out, as Harry just goggled at her, eyes and mouth wide in disbelief. "I'm gonna add a glitter canon to it, and a laser pointer, and some LEDs and everything, even a missle silo. Oh Harry? Do you have any spare steel I could use?"
"Steel? What for?"
"I what to make a blade for it, with a rel are button on the handle here, and when I press it schwick! Instant knife!"
Pale, slightly green and with his legs crossed Harry stared at Jade.
"What about the vibrating motors?" Harry finally managed to gasp.
Jade gave him a puzzled look. "You know? I still haven't worked out why it has them. When I hold it in my hand and wave it like a wand, all they do is make it jump all over the place and make me drop them, what are the for Harry?"
Turning even paler Harry stammered. "You'll have to ask one of your girlfriends that Jade, I ahh, just need to leave, I, ah, need to check something in another lab." Almost running Techwolf raced from the room, face bright red and eyes watering.
- Dawnfyre
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- E M Pisek
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What is - was. What was - is.
- konzill
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- Phoenix Spiritus
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"Jade, you no longer like Hello Kitty"
Would her mind spit in two? Would the new Jade destroy the world? Could Team Kimba overcome their fear, their hate their loathing long enough to return to Jade Hello Kitty?
- Sir Lee
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"wakes up" from it. Also, we haven't seen Vox exert any sort of personality change in other people; she gave them specific orders to perform specific acts.
This would seem to be me arguing that Vox wouldn't be able to voice herself (or rather, have her command to Jadis reflect back on her due to Jadis's mystic defenses) to dislike Ayla... HOWEVER, I think that in this particular case it would work:
1. Vox apparently did give a specific order to Jadis: "leave Ayla alone" or words to that effect. That wouldn't keep Vox from being attracted to Ayla, but would make her avoid Ayla.
2. Since she can't "get away" from the source of the psychic command (which is herself), her power could keep "recharging" the command.
- E M Pisek
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Sir Lee wrote: I don't think a siren's power is supposed to have long-term, lasting effects. Eventually the victim
"wakes up" from it. Also, we haven't seen Vox exert any sort of personality change in other people; she gave them specific orders to perform specific acts.
This would seem to be me arguing that Vox wouldn't be able to voice herself (or rather, have her command to Jadis reflect back on her due to Jadis's mystic defenses) to dislike Ayla... HOWEVER, I think that in this particular case it would work:
1. Vox apparently did give a specific order to Jadis: "leave Ayla alone" or words to that effect. That wouldn't keep Vox from being attracted to Ayla, but would make her avoid Ayla.
2. Since she can't "get away" from the source of the psychic command (which is herself), her power could keep "recharging" the command.
In part an endless loop. Once the spell begins to wear off, a subconscious part reinforces the spells effect thus making it effective once more, only to repeat the process over and over again. If she was not aware of the command she would not have knowledge of its effect an so she comes to think that its something else that is hindering her to wanting to talk to Ayla. If she were made aware of the command, she could 'theoretically' command herself to ignore the other spell thus breaking the cycle. But that is only if others knew it was her that spelled herself.
What is - was. What was - is.
- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Ginncaster5
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Anyways, can someone please pick up Jade? As a story, I mean; do any of the non-Babs authors know what was planned for her and by when the reveals were supposed to be made? So many authors seem to have jumped ship that we really need someone or several someones to pull double duty on characters so we can get the stories filled out more.
- Domoviye
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- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Bek D Corbin
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First, she's Babs' character. Until we hear that Babs has formally quit, given up writing Jade, or died, we can't really do anything with her. And, Yes, we Canon authors find that just as annoying as you do.
Second, it would be a stone GRIZZLY to find anyone who could do Jade justice.
- Ginncaster5
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And yeah, only Babs can probably do Jade right, but if she's supposed to hit certain milestones in certain semesters, somebody's going to have to make do at some point.
- E M Pisek
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Or what if the author replied after someone did take up the mantel after not hearing for sure about the authors status. Then what.
Its a fine line to travel and the best course is I'm afraid to do nothing unless otherwise. We'd know for sure after 50 more years. You just can't decide to do it because you want it without knowing for sure.
What is - was. What was - is.
- Ginncaster5
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Though, wasn't there at least one story about Jade not written by Babs or was that something else? I seem to remember something in the comments way back when about Jade becoming crazier than Babs would have wanted or something.
- Valentine
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Ginncaster5 wrote: Well, there should probably be some sort of time limit on it if you try contacting Babs and she keeps not answering, unless someone here knows her personally to check if she died or is in hospital or something. Probably best if someone knows her personally.
And yeah, only Babs can probably do Jade right, but if she's supposed to hit certain milestones in certain semesters, somebody's going to have to make do at some point.
If they had set this up beforehand then it would be fine, and if the 2nd Gen sets it up, then great, but you can't retroactively do it.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Ginncaster5
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- DanZilla
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Ginncaster5 wrote: Though, wasn't there at least one story about Jade not written by Babs or was that something else? I seem to remember something in the comments way back when about Jade becoming crazier than Babs would have wanted or something.
This is something I've noticed in some of my re-reading of stories... some of the other authors, who had used Jade in their stories, tend to play up the wacky and crazy little kid aspects whereas she always struck me as more mature and only occasionally making crazier actions in her original stories.
As for the issue of whether other authors should be allowed to take over an authors character, and I realize anything we talk about here is just our 2-cents worth which may not (and probably won't) affect anyone else's official opinions on the matter.
*** And, this is just my opinion and formed wholly in my head and not through any associations or conversations I've had with anyone on this subject no matter how pretty and official I try to make it sound ***
I can understand an authors/owners rights, to a character, under normal uses ...where they and those they've contracted with can dictate what uses can be taken with a character.
Where I think the Whateley "group" (for lack of a better term) needs to concentrate when they consider an "inheritance" of a character is that it's a shared universe for them to work in... when a character was submitted for publication it became not the property of the author/owner but that of the Whateley "group" or should have.
This is not to say that the Group can take away a character from an active author but I do believe they should act in the character, universe and Canon storyline's health and best interests to use "fallow" character(s) whose Author(s) has/have been uncommunicative with the group for an extended period of time or has/have willfully decided not to write a character for other reasons.
*** Again, this is just my opinion and formed wholly in my head and not through any associations or conversations I've had with anyone on this subject no matter how pretty and official I try to make it sound ***
- konzill
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Ib12us wrote: That would be like any author just deciding to take up writing Sherlock Holmes after his author died.
The complicating factor here is that this is a shared universe. And Jade has apepared in stories written by other founding authors. IANAL but doesn't that mean that they already have permission to write stories about Jade? Arguably the universe is collectivly owned by the canon authors, Also as far as I understand it no one is actually making any money of these stories either.
Though yes hashing this out before hand and agreeing on how work is licensed is a good Idea, I hope the more recent authors have done this. Otherwise Whateley is doomed to perpetually have characters disapear with their story arcs unresolved.
- Phoenix Spiritus
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They shared the universe, but very significantly kept copyright of their own stories.
They (the original group of Authors) may have some sort of combined ownership of their characters, but that is not the same as some other group of Authors now steering the Whateley Universe has ownership of the characters or the work on stories that original group started to write.
If it was all the other original writers working out what to do, that's one thing, but in all honesty, nearly all that group has left or is at best comatosed inactive. There is a reason the current crop of Authors are trying to clean break from Team Kimba with Gen 2, and it's not because they don't love the characters.
- annachie
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There's been no internet activity for Babs for years.
- Kristin Darken
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konzill wrote:
Ib12us wrote: That would be like any author just deciding to take up writing Sherlock Holmes after his author died.
The complicating factor here is that this is a shared universe. And Jade has apepared in stories written by other founding authors. IANAL but doesn't that mean that they already have permission to write stories about Jade? Arguably the universe is collectivly owned by the canon authors, Also as far as I understand it no one is actually making any money of these stories either.
Though yes hashing this out before hand and agreeing on how work is licensed is a good Idea, I hope the more recent authors have done this. Otherwise Whateley is doomed to perpetually have characters disapear with their story arcs unresolved.
Yes, we have taken this into consideration with the development of the Gen 2 author team and will do so with future additions we make to write write in the original timeline or as part of any other group we develop in the future. 'Should' we have done so early on? Well... ya... but honestly? No one involved ever thought things were going to turn out how they did... and it doesn't really matter 'why' we didn't. The fact is, we didn't. And we have to cope with that and we have to respect the IP of those authors even if it is a shared universe. We'll try to include characters like Jade in group stories and in non-critical stuff (like combat finals and vignettes) when someone feels they can pull off the right voice... but that's entirely different from having someone adopt the character as a full time PoV character or making any effort to advance that character's personal plotline directly. And if that sounds vague... it is. We have no one specific policy and we haven't cracked open the law books to see what precedents there are... we just sort of play it by ear and treat our lost authors the way we would want to be treated and hope it works out.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- elrodw
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Before she disappeared completely, I got permission from Diane to do Wine, Women, and Ayla. Further permissions won't be forthcoming as she hasn't answered e-mail for over a year, but as Ayla is a prominent character in Charge's life, Ayla will be seen more - only not a full Ayla POV story.
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Sir Lee
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When E.E.Nalley started writing Wallflower, there was some expectation that he would "take over" Hank's development even if indirectly, as Wallflower's boyfriend. That didn't actually happen, though.
- Ginncaster5
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annachie wrote: Every so often I do a hunt.
There's been no internet activity for Babs for years.
Wow. Are we sure she's even alive? What's the rule of how many years can go by before someone is 'presumed dead'? Don't we have an AWOL author in the military or something that we haven't heard of and people assumed the worst? And come on, there must have been some sort of general storyline planned for Jade; it would involve and influence the other characters, especially Tennyo, who I assume is up for grabs since Starwolf basically quit.
- Valentine
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Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Curiosity, what is the consensus with regard to POV stories for Hank?
I think that you have done a fine job in writing from Hank's POV, and hope you keep doing so, even if they are just Fan-Fic stories.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Domoviye
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Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Curiosity, what is the consensus with regard to POV stories for Hank?
You already know what I think, and I'll reiterate how helpful it was reading one of the microfictions for a project I'm working on.
- rubberjohn
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I seem to remember it was explained once before but, as usual, I can't remember the details.

John.
- Domoviye
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- Dawnfyre
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Stupidity is a capitol offense, a summary not indictable one.
- Sir Lee
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- jmhyp
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Someone was pointing out Jade seems wackier in other stories. That's because of POV. People focus on Jade only when she's wacky so only the wacky stuff is reported and the reporting emphasizes the wacki-tude.
- Valentine
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jmhyp wrote: The death of one of the authors, aside from being terrible, would start the clock on when the character gets out of copyright. Just wait 95 years (in the US anyway). No problem.
Someone was pointing out Jade seems wackier in other stories. That's because of POV. People focus on Jade only when she's wacky so only the wacky stuff is reported and the reporting emphasizes the wacki-tude.
Don't worry, Disney will get that extension pushed through soon.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- jmhyp
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- konzill
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- Sir Lee
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But in reality, place of ORIGINAL publication *does not matter* for copyright. Even publishing the work isn't relevant. What's relevant is that it's "put on paper" so to speak (or an electronic equivalent thereof), that is, you give your ideas an actual form.
The problem with jurisdiction arises with each particular publication, viz: whoever is publishing the work has to actually have the right to publish it under its jurisdiction. This often arises with works that are near the end of their copyright term -- due to variations in national law, a work can be in public domain (expired copyright) in one jurisdiction and still under copyright in a different one.
To expand it a bit... postulating that the "orphan work" provision applies here, they would only apply inside the particular jurisdiction. So, if Lower Slobbovia has an orphan works law that puts Liliandra's works into public domain, it means that Slobbovian people can proceed treating it as PD -- but in other countries Liliandra's copyright is still valid.
- DanZilla
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As more and more fiction, videos and software are published online and possible questions of copyright come up it becomes more and more clear just how unclear it is just when questions of ownership are covered by laws meant for goods in the the "real" world...
Take for example Abandonware... the united states put in an exemption to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to allow for legal bypass of copy protection for software determined to be abandoned.
- Ginncaster5
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Also, if anyone knows Babs well enough to know if she would even care at this point, even if she was dead, that someone just took over for the good of the whole Universe? Now would be a good time to speak up. Otherwise, this is going to get complicated.
- Kristin Darken
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Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Ginncaster5
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As my username might hint at, Jade is the reason I really got into Whateley, and I'd be disappointed if she didn't get developed anymore. But such is life, I suppose.
Then again, if she won't get developed, that means she won't find out what's wrong with her, which means you might as well tell us what it is, since it's no longer a future plot point.
- Valentine
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Ginncaster5 wrote: Heh, at this rate, someone should hire a PI or something to track her down and ask her! Though considering the shared universe thing and webserial status, I doubt she'd be too opposed to someone picking up the character and following her milestones for Jade if she died, but I don't know her, and I guess she might.
As my username might hint at, Jade is the reason I really got into Whateley, and I'd be disappointed if she didn't get developed anymore. But such is life, I suppose.
Then again, if she won't get developed, that means she won't find out what's wrong with her, which means you might as well tell us what it is, since it's no longer a future plot point.
She's going to be disappointed if she doesn't get any more development too.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Horrid
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Please, canon cabalists, find a super great author who loves Whateley, loves Team Kimba, and loves Jade so her story can continue.
Even if Kodiak etc. finish the Bastard storyline I for one would very much appreciate getting some more stories about the Team Kimba characters and especially our dear little Jade.
It isn't a good feeling, putting something else on your plate when I know you are all very busy. So don't think of this as a demand, just an expression of appreciation of what has gone before and a desire for more of the same someday.
- Domoviye
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- Ginncaster5
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You know, I think Jade's stories were the ones that played the most part in my getting over my trans-phobia because of the way the perspective of a trans person was portrayed so well, even better than the other lot, at least for me personally. She's the character I feel the most sympathy for, Ayla being the next most.
So yeah, I'd really love to see her story resolved nicely, especially since it seems way more likely to happen for Jade than for Ayla.
- Sir Lee
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Yeah, Jade is a powerful telekinetic (albeit with the unusual limitation of having to touch the object first). Would it be possible to design some sort of TK-proof handcuff that she couldn't open?
I think so. I can think of at least three approaches:
1. Disposable handcuffs that are strongly glued/welded closed, requiring it to be sawn/broken to open it. Simple and hard to get around.
2. Cuffs held closed by a strong eletromagnectic field, using pure electronics with no moving parts for the control circuit. Some care in the design would be required to make all components resistant to TK tampering (for instance, sealing all components in epoxy so that Jinn couldn't just pull off a lead).
3. Design the cuff in a way that *the lock itself* is part of an electrical circuit -- if a TK attempts to open it, the circuit opens/closes, doing something unpleasant (electrical shock at the lower levels, explosives at the higher level) to dissuade the TK-user from messing with the lock. Like the previous one, some care would have to be taken to make the rest of the circuit tamper-proof.
Of course, as has been pointed out, it all hinges on whoever is cuffing Jade to know that she is a high-dexterity PK and choose an appropriate set of restraints.
- Jarjaross
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jmhyp wrote: Well excuse me for not memorizing the WIKI where, on the Telekinesis page, the word DEXTERITY appears once: as the label on a chart.
No holds barred, I put my money on Jade over just about anybody short of Tennyo. And even there, if Tennyo didn't literally own Jade, Jade might even defeat Tennyo.
And this isn't fanboy nonsense. Jade is my least favorite Kimba. But the way she was portrayed in various stories tells me she is a force to be reckoned with at the A-list levels.
(And Tennyo is back in the discussion.)
Really…
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I mainly can't stand the other Kimbas, barring Ayla and Tennyo, Jade is my favorite by miles.
My dreams take me to far off lands and times of distant past and future. They tell what has been done, what will happen and who I am. They show me things beyond the machinations of any man. Tell me, what are dreams to you?
- Mister D
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It would be good to read the story from her perspective.
Or from Mule's....

Measure Twice
- jmhyp
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Well, since this is a Jade thread... Yeah, reading the Jade stories a second time was hard. She pushes my buttons in the "why isn't this character in a rubber room?" way. The idea she can register her dead sister as a student is mind boggling. Sure, Ito knows better. But is living as Jinn (as much as she does) healthy for Jade? All it seems to do is ramp up her self-destructive zeal to be a woman. She is dangerously overdriven and singly-focused. And then there are the times when she is just plain nuts. (And her job has put in places where she's had to deal with Class-X level stuff. So maybe she just is unhinged.)Jarjaross wrote:
jmhyp wrote: And this isn't fanboy nonsense. Jade is my least favorite Kimba. But the way she was portrayed in various stories tells me she is a force to be reckoned with at the A-list levels.
Really…
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I mainly can't stand the other Kimbas, barring Ayla and Tennyo, Jade is my favorite by miles.
Perhaps I just don't understand TG as much as I think I do but she's seems like an extreme, caricature of the TG condition. And watching the (in my eyes) caricature bugs me. Yes, she's a well-crafted, complex character so if she isn't a caricature, then it is on cis-y (pun not intended) old me for being uninformed. Ayla and Chou (the others unhappy with their gender/body states) don't cross the lines Jade does.
All, of course, IMHO. YMMV.
- Jarjaross
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jmhyp wrote:
Well, since this is a Jade thread... Yeah, reading the Jade stories a second time was hard. She pushes my buttons in the "why isn't this character in a rubber room?" way. The idea she can register her dead sister as a student is mind boggling. Sure, Ito knows better. But is living as Jinn (as much as she does) healthy for Jade? All it seems to do is ramp up her self-destructive zeal to be a woman. She is dangerously overdriven and singly-focused. And then there are the times when she is just plain nuts. (And her job has put in places where she's had to deal with Class-X level stuff. So maybe she just is unhinged.)Jarjaross wrote:
jmhyp wrote: And this isn't fanboy nonsense. Jade is my least favorite Kimba. But the way she was portrayed in various stories tells me she is a force to be reckoned with at the A-list levels.
Really…
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I mainly can't stand the other Kimbas, barring Ayla and Tennyo, Jade is my favorite by miles.
Perhaps I just don't understand TG as much as I think I do but she's seems like an extreme, caricature of the TG condition. And watching the (in my eyes) caricature bugs me. Yes, she's a well-crafted, complex character so if she isn't a caricature, then it is on cis-y (pun not intended) old me for being uninformed. Ayla and Chou (the others unhappy with their gender/body states) don't cross the lines Jade does.
All, of course, IMHO. YMMV.
Actually I relate to Jade a lot on basically everything other than the TG stuff. Also she should not be in a rubber room. I may have casually mention that I have multiple mental disorders yet can function perfectly well in society. Watch Jade is nice because she is the crazy outsider that I was in grade school. Heck she even has my 2 favorite survival mechanisms down, if you are crazy the norms leave you alone, and 2 the ability to act. When reading her I don't see a caricature of something I can't myself totally relate to, I see a person dealing with a society that is built to screw with them.
My dreams take me to far off lands and times of distant past and future. They tell what has been done, what will happen and who I am. They show me things beyond the machinations of any man. Tell me, what are dreams to you?
- jmhyp
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- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- annachie
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- konzill
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annachie wrote: I'm trying to remember if the syndicate ever put a price on her head.
Wouldn't that break the Whateley neutrality agreement? I'm fairly sure that the Syndicate won't officially target a Whateley Student.
- amratner
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- annachie
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amratner wrote: There is no mention of a price on her head anywhere. The syndicate was discussing having her killed with the Necromancer, but as of the birthday brawl no agreement had been set.
Yeah, that's the conversation/scene I'm trying to remember.
- rubberjohn
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konzill wrote:
annachie wrote: I'm trying to remember if the syndicate ever put a price on her head.
Wouldn't that break the Whateley neutrality agreement? I'm fairly sure that the Syndicate won't officially target a Whateley Student.
Um... Are you sure of that? Think what happened at Halloween.

John.
- annachie
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They had so little to do with it they even went and put a bounty on Deathwish's head just to make sure that nobody thought that they had anything to do with it, no sir no way no how ....
- konzill
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rubberjohn wrote:
konzill wrote:
annachie wrote: I'm trying to remember if the syndicate ever put a price on her head.
Wouldn't that break the Whateley neutrality agreement? I'm fairly sure that the Syndicate won't officially target a Whateley Student.
Um... Are you sure of that? Think what happened at Halloween.
John.
Yes and as a result the Syndicate put a $10Million dollar bounty on Chessmaster's head for breaking the neutrality agreement.
- Arcanist Lupus
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(The difference is that Para force multiplies using robots, and Jade just pretends to use robots)
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- lighttech
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Part of the WA Drow clan/ collective
Author of Vantier and Shadowsblade on Bigcloset
- Dreamer
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That would give any opponents who face her in the sims nightmares! Along with some of her teammates. *shudders* If was an enemy soldier and saw that flying towards me, I would be more inclined to run than from the normal Iron Man armor. "Wait, it is a cross between Iron Man armor and Hello Kitty? Get the hell out of there, you know the more cute a weapon is, the more dangerous it has to be!"lighttech wrote: Jade's new armor?
geyserofawesome.com/post/120559994172/fr...n-evangelion-to-iron
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- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- Kettlekorn
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Anyway. these aren't real , but I wish they were. I particularly like Hello Optimus and Hello Gundam.
- Valentine
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annachie wrote: (Then again I do have pictures in my head of Jade getting her head ripped off, walking over to shove it back on then complaining about how difficult it is to get blood stains out of her costume)
Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Ohhh!
Halloween prank Jinn can play on people with a "Jade" skin pour and lots of fake blood!
Even better Jinn in a Jade skin pour, walking around carrying "her head" the with "blood" slowly dripping from the neck, the whole time talking and acting normal. Well, normal for them.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Valentine
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"You, too." I gave him another quick hug, then watched him and Jade walk away from Twinkletoes and me. We'd arrived in terminal 5, the international terminal, and Walt and I were flying to Sioux Falls from terminal 1, while Ayla and Jade had flights from terminal 3.
So it's possible that Jade spends June with Ayla, Gracie's house might be a bit crowded, but I'm sure they could figure something out for a month.
So where else does Jade spend her summer?
With Billie? That seems to be cursed.
With Nikki? I don't think Nikki's mom would appreciate that. Although given that she saved Nikki, there are mitigating circumstances.
With Toni? I think the Chandler's would be OK with that, until Jade blew up part of Baltimore. (Toni's Grammy mentoring Jade, scary.)
With Hank? Not likely, as I'm not sure where Hank is spending the summer.
Back at Whateley?
With Sun Wu? I hope not, the planet might not survive.
Can't be with Anna, as Anna doesn't know where she is spending her summer.
With Bunny? Las Vegas would go broke.
With Misty? Jade plus mountains equals bad. Too many volcanoes in Washington.
With Lindsey? Jade staying at the home of a Supervillain, could be interesting.
With Molly? Molly probably already has Chou staying over, at least part of the Summer.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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... In the Canon Bible, Jade does have a set 'cause for her condition? ... Then again, if not, it could just be "that's the way her mutation is."
- Phoenix Spiritus
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Also, its postulated that her "BIT" image is actually what her psychic projections "look" like (i.e Shroud's "Japanese Girl" look), so her "BIT" isn't what is causing her condition either.
WOG: Yes there is a canon reason for the condition.
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Kettlekorn wrote: Jade's mom is Nimbus, obviously.
That's silly Jade's mom is obviously Dr. Diabolik.
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: I thought G2 made it obvious - Jade's mom is The Mighty Squid!
Jade's mom was always competent, that eliminates The Mighty Squid.
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Valentine wrote: So we know that Jade spends some time with Ayla, at least from July 1 to July 11. It is implied that she is going someplace other than where Ayla is going, because of
"You, too." I gave him another quick hug, then watched him and Jade walk away from Twinkletoes and me. We'd arrived in terminal 5, the international terminal, and Walt and I were flying to Sioux Falls from terminal 1, while Ayla and Jade had flights from terminal 3.
So it's possible that Jade spends June with Ayla, Gracie's house might be a bit crowded, but I'm sure they could figure something out for a month.
So where else does Jade spend her summer?
With Billie? That seems to be cursed.
With Nikki? I don't think Nikki's mom would appreciate that. Although given that she saved Nikki, there are mitigating circumstances.
With Toni? I think the Chandler's would be OK with that, until Jade blew up part of Baltimore. (Toni's Grammy mentoring Jade, scary.)
With Hank? Not likely, as I'm not sure where Hank is spending the summer.
Back at Whateley?
With Sun Wu? I hope not, the planet might not survive.
Can't be with Anna, as Anna doesn't know where she is spending her summer.
With Bunny? Las Vegas would go broke.
With Misty? Jade plus mountains equals bad. Too many volcanoes in Washington.
With Lindsey? Jade staying at the home of a Supervillain, could be interesting.
With Molly? Molly probably already has Chou staying over, at least part of the Summer.
This is a really interesting question, personally I'm rooting for Lindsay but think it is unlikely. There are plenty of other 'orphans' (her father is dead to me) at Whateley so there must be a support system in place.
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After reading the "Tenyo goes to Hell" story - it's stated that Jade may actually be misclassified as a high level regen when in reality she's like "JimmyT" and is a shifter, which makes rereading "Christmas Elves" very interesting in regards to Jade's role in the story.
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All that being said... Is anyone going to pick up writing Jade? I am VERY happy to see her and the Kimbas being featured as the main characters of stories again as her Story Line is one of my favorites. I was super disappointed when the solo jade stories stopped happening.
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JJFab wrote: Jade definitely got High Level Regen from Billy. It WAS however hypothesized that she was a shifter who got stuck when she had a burnout after manifesting Jinn for the first time.
All that being said... Is anyone going to pick up writing Jade? I am VERY happy to see her and the Kimbas being featured as the main characters of stories again as her Story Line is one of my favorites. I was super disappointed when the solo jade stories stopped happening.
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In response to your query, the basic idea is the only person who'll write Jade POV stories is Babs, and we don't know where she is, and other people aren't going to write Jade stories because Jade isn't their character.
Also possibly something about copyright and legalities, etc, which has been discussed before, somewhere, and with this, will probably be summarized again, by Kristin or someone who (remembers / can find) the fine details.
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I don't expect you to tell us, of course. I'm just curious about whether you could.
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Eh, that's arguable. Tennyo did kill a lot of people during her Christmas story. Nobody really counted how many, just "lots." Same for Jade in the Syndicate base.
Also, do Voodoo Wolves count? If so, each one of the Wild Bunch racked a significant kill count too.
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: Forgive me if I'm prying, but does the active Cabal know the full details of Jade's potential powerset?
I don't expect you to tell us, of course. I'm just curious about whether you could.
Let me put it this way - we're probably about 95-98% certain of hitting her ultimate powerset on the head if we were to write Jade stories. At that confidence level, I think we know enough to use her as a non-POV character (e.g. Best Days part 3, All the King's Horses, Veni Vidi Cutie) pretty accurately. It's the private Jade that we might not quite get right - her inner demons, what motivates her, what she will or won't do to get her goals, what she fears - that stuff. I can't speak for the others, but in her POV, I would probably do inadequately with her unpredictable zany and UV types of reactions (e.g. if she had to confront bloodwolf again). From a different POV? I'd write that. I think we all could.
As an exercise for the students, I wouldn't mind if someone (or ones) were to do an analysis of what I wrote about Jade in the three stories - Best Days part 3, All the Kings Horses, and Veni Vidi Cutie - and do a compare/contrast to Babs' Jade-POV take, so that I could better understand where my characterization of her falls short and where it hits the mark. The more comfortable I am with Jade, the more I can include her as a side-character who occasionally wanders into the spotlight, destroys the stage, sends the orchestra to the nearest sanitorium with nervous breakdowns, frightens even battle-hardened combat veterans, and makes the little children giggle with delight - all at the same time.
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Sir Lee wrote: On the bodycount...
Eh, that's arguable. Tennyo did kill a lot of people during her Christmas story. Nobody really counted how many, just "lots." Same for Jade in the Syndicate base.
Also, do Voodoo Wolves count? If so, each one of the Wild Bunch racked a significant kill count too.
Fey killed a lot of people in the Syndicate base too.
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I only wrote a short combat final with Jade and that alone was challenging. ... it took a bit of 'strategy' and a lot of free associating.elrodw wrote: I can't speak for the others, but in her POV, I would probably do inadequately with her unpredictable zany and UV types of reactions (e.g. if she had to confront bloodwolf again). From a different POV? I'd write that. I think we all could.
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elrodw wrote:
Arcanist Lupus wrote: Forgive me if I'm prying, but does the active Cabal know the full details of Jade's potential powerset?
I don't expect you to tell us, of course. I'm just curious about whether you could.
Let me put it this way - we're probably about 95-98% certain of hitting her ultimate powerset on the head if we were to write Jade stories. At that confidence level, I think we know enough to use her as a non-POV character (e.g. Best Days part 3, All the King's Horses, Veni Vidi Cutie) pretty accurately. It's the private Jade that we might not quite get right - her inner demons, what motivates her, what she will or won't do to get her goals, what she fears - that stuff. I can't speak for the others, but in her POV, I would probably do inadequately with her unpredictable zany and UV types of reactions (e.g. if she had to confront bloodwolf again). From a different POV? I'd write that. I think we all could.
What she will or won't do? Well will is pretty easy to come up with. She will do anything that involves herself, and only herself, to become a girl. Note that she has attempted to, or succeeded in,selling her soul multiple times.When it comes to others, Bloodwolf, Peeper, and anyone trying to harm Tennyo are at risk, I think the rest of the population is safe.
elrodw wrote: As an exercise for the students, I wouldn't mind if someone (or ones) were to do an analysis of what I wrote about Jade in the three stories - Best Days part 3, All the Kings Horses, and Veni Vidi Cutie - and do a compare/contrast to Babs' Jade-POV take, so that I could better understand where my characterization of her falls short and where it hits the mark. The more comfortable I am with Jade, the more I can include her as a side-character who occasionally wanders into the spotlight, destroys the stage, sends the orchestra to the nearest sanitorium with nervous breakdowns, frightens even battle-hardened combat veterans, and makes the little children giggle with delight - all at the same time.
Part of the problem with analyzing your use of Jade in those three stories, is that it is "Public Jade." Public Jade is generally much different than Private Jade. Private Jade is focussed on two things, first and foremost becoming a girl and second making sure Tennyo is happy. And to an extent protecting her friends. Jade is most likely to die to protect her friends. Oh wait she's already done that.
Private Jade tried to sell her soul to Sara, did sell her soul to The Destroyer, and may have sold part of it to Sara later, or at least leased it to Sara. Private Jade lets a guy hack her foot off, because it is a step towards her becoming a girl. Private Jade bites a guy's junk off to protect Tennyo.
Public Jade doesn't appear to have a care in the world, until Ayla steals her panties. Public Jade lives outside the box, because inside the box is No Fun Guy, and NFG is Jade's true archnemesis. The line "The only fun is big fun.” sums up Public Jade.
Public Jade is Wondercute; Private Jade is a weaponized Cabbit.
Public Jade is making up silly titles for Fey; Private Jade is animating dead bodies and pretending they're zombies.
Public Jade is tying up Mule and riding him into battle; Private Jade is staking Bloodwolf to a tree and burning a message into him.
Public Jade is giving Peeper a super wedgie: Private Jade is breastfeeding Alhaji to save his life.
Public Jade is the rainbow of colors; Private Jade is much more black and white.
Public Jade is a night at the museum; Private Jade is Ayla's earnest executive assistant.
At least that is how I see it.
Now I think that the recent uses of Jade in the stories was done well, with one minor exception. Executive Assistant Jade should have driven Ayla a little battier (not intentionally but by trying to be the best executive she can be), although that may have happened prior to all of them getting together to go to Europe. The one thing missing is Private Jade, but none of the stories have an appropriate point for a look into Private Jade.
So as long as you (the authors) are willing, I think that including Jade in stories works, even the Wondercute stories where Jade is more of the focus is good. I don't think a straight POV story for Jade would work, unless it was a very short, microscene short, bit.
These are my opinions, and I mean no offense by them.
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Valentine wrote: Public Jade is a night at the museum; Private Jade is Ayla's earnest executive assistant.
At least that is how I see it.
Now I think that the recent uses of Jade in the stories was done well, with one minor exception. Executive Assistant Jade should have driven Ayla a little battier (not intentionally but by trying to be the best executive she can be), although that may have happened prior to all of them getting together to go to Europe. The one thing missing is Private Jade, but none of the stories have an appropriate point for a look into Private Jade.
So as long as you (the authors) are willing, I think that including Jade in stories works, even the Wondercute stories where Jade is more of the focus is good. I don't think a straight POV story for Jade would work, unless it was a very short, microscene short, bit.
These are my opinions, and I mean no offense by them.
I can't see any reason that anyone could take offense by the opinion you gave, which is, IMHO, very nicely done and well-reasoned. And as an author, I appreciate your taking the time to respond. Thank you.
Yeah, it would have been more Private Jade with Ayla, but it wasn't an Ayla POV story. And it's not likely that Addy or Alicia, and maybe not even Kayda, would see Private Jade. But Public Jade was a lot of fun to write.
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Private Jade is a lot more serious.
It's been what, around 8 or 10 years since anybody heard from Babs?
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I would reverse those two things. If Tennyo were to tell Jade to stop trying to become a girl. Jade would do that. Now, Billie would rip off her own head before saying those words. But based on how I read the old stories, Tennyo is more important than Jade to Jade.Valentine wrote: Private Jade is focussed on two things, first and foremost becoming a girl and second making sure Tennyo is happy.
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Malady wrote: ^ *Wonders about an Illusionist making a fake Billie to control Jade with...*
If I remember correctly, with the link they share, Jade would see through an illusion of Billie faster than Aquerna.
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Black armband with red letters: Fight Club, hair-trigger tempers, bullies with a history of violent attacks(?)
or,
White band lettered in black: "The poor schleps that were always just getting sucked into fights wound up with a white band lettered in black." ( For some reason, I see this as including "designated targets" like Carmilla, and folks known to have killed in self-defense or under a ROE. )
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Or perhaps pastels.
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"Quote."
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In whateleyacademy.net/index.php/stories/315-christmas-elves ... There's that dagger...
Is it >100 years old? Perhaps Jade got psychometric wity it because of both age and magic, instead of just age?
... So, is Spinner good against magic due to the special anathme for its blade? Even if it was, we haven't seen Jade fight magical threats after this, have we?
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Sir Lee wrote: The original Spinner is no more, melted into slag by an RPG-7. The current Spinner is just a piece of metal that she got from a junkyard and shaped to her needs.
Actually, this is the original "Spinner". When she went up against Syndicate goons with RPGs, her"spinner" was the knife she pulled from her heart. She made her current spinner when she got back to Whateley.
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NJM1564 wrote: You mean Whateley recycling bins? So much good stuff there for a talented scrounger.
Talented indestructible uncutable scrounger.
Remember that they regularly throw nanowire and other very sharp stuff into those bins.
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Phoenix Spiritus wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: The original Spinner is no more, melted into slag by an RPG-7. The current Spinner is just a piece of metal that she got from a junkyard and shaped to her needs.
Actually, this is the original "Spinner". When she went up against Syndicate goons with RPGs, her"spinner" was the knife she pulled from her heart. She made her current spinner when she got back to Whateley.
Uh... that was my point? The first, original Spinner was something that Jade improvised with Hekate's athame and a bunch of junk, in the Syndicate base. That was melted into slag and is no more. After coming back to Whateley, she made the new, current Spinner from a piece of metal (I believe it was the hood of a car, cut in the form of a trefoil and sharpened -- but I don't have the exact ref here) she got in the junkyard.
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They continued to grow. Now we know Jade has Regen 5, so if she cut off enough parts, could she drop them in nutrient baths and grow more selves, and then populate them with Jinn, Jann, etc? I mean she can cast into them, but could they be permanently affixed to these bodies, and in turn, if they were, and became separate individuals... could Jade make more J-team and company? Jett's independence doesn't seem to have cause a -1 to the number of selves Jade can make. Hypothetically, if this were the case, could you produce infinite Jades?
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Rose Bunny wrote: A scary thought occurred to me. Thinking about Jade's big freak out, and when Thuban ended up with the severed ... parts.
They continued to grow. Now we know Jade has Regen 5, so if she cut off enough parts, could she drop them in nutrient baths and grow more selves, and then populate them with Jinn, Jann, etc? I mean she can cast into them, but could they be permanently affixed to these bodies, and in tern, if they were, and became separate individuals... could Jade make more J-team and company? Jett's independence doesn't seem to have cause a -1 to the number of selves Jade can make. Hypothetically, if this were the case, could you produce infinite Jades?
While I can't actually speak for the authors I think that for the sake of the omniverse this can be considered officially impossible.
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Yolandria wrote: Infinite Jade is what caused Fullerton....
Millions of animated Hello Kitty plushies rampaging through the town.
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amratner wrote: Can anyone remind me where Jade is being Giggle Girl?
Birthday Brawl Ch 7 and a reprise in Mad Scientist Ch 8.
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Rose Bunny wrote: Darn, I want Infinite Jade to be a thing... or a threat.
A army of Jade bots who's control clusters are connected by micro wormholes could work. A single J team member could control hundreds if not thousands this way.
Could Jade make animations on paper by manipulating droplets of ink? That could be fun. Or she could do one girl puppet shows. Or oven better/worse a one girl band.
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NJM1564 wrote:
Rose Bunny wrote: Darn, I want Infinite Jade to be a thing... or a threat.
A army of Jade bots who's control clusters are connected by micro wormholes could work. A single J team member could control hundreds if not thousands this way.
Depending on the local topology, that would get past the distance limitation for controlling objects through one team member.
NJM1564 wrote: Could Jade make animations on paper by manipulating droplets of ink? That could be fun. Or she could do one girl puppet shows. Or oven better/worse a one girl band.
She found out that she needed something solid to grab onto when cleaning dishes at Nikki's home. If lint can be used to grab water, manipulating microbeads loaded with ink might work.
Better yet: stop-motion animations using origami figures!
Japanese culture bonus: check,
Cuteness quotient: depends, but could be high,
Engineering geek cred: not bad at all,
and she can stuff microelectronics in some for bug-based bugs.
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and if that happened, she'd also most likely end up pregnant, as that piece of her was revealed to be.konzill wrote: Jade gets back the part of herself that resides inside Sara's personal dimension and thereby gains full access to her powers. Remember that this includes the ability to consume matter and shape-shift like crazy. Considering that that would make her part shoggoth, she might qualify as a class X entity.
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As for the infinite Jades: I think it's important to bring up the Merry menagerie. It's difficult to compare regen ratings as the wiki doesn't state Petra's rating and hers is divine in origin while Jade's is a gift from the Destroyer. If Jade's regen is capable to creating a complete clone like Circuit Breaker, then there's the soul issue. For Merry, she had Sara split her soul in half as transferred half into the new body. For Generator, this is something she does on an hourly basis and almost certainly could do so herself, though whether it would stick to the new body is still up in the air.
All it should take for Jade to gain full access to her shapeshifting abilities is for her to screw herself. Jet's curse keeping her from the J-Team was stated to be nullified if Jet (as a male) were to screw Jade (as a female), the fact that they're both locked into the opposite states is a minor obstacle.
I do wonder what would be funnier: if Jade were to go wild with Jet's Shoggoth-level shapeshifting, or if it's revealed that between her unaging and her regen, she's actually biologically immortal and shows up in a few hundred years while still looking and acting 11 years old.
Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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konzill wrote: Jade gets back the part of herself that resides inside Sara's personal dimension and thereby gains full access to her powers. Remember that this includes the ability to consume matter and shape-shift like crazy. Considering that that would make her part shoggoth, she might qualify as a class X entity.
Most people already believe she qualifies as a Class X entity, just ask Gunny.
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Like, if she was stronger or something, she could have taken over Tansy by capturing her, and adding more casts once she recovers the energy from losing a casting.
It seems that the energy used when casting is because it's tying her casts to herself... Like the links that Absinthe saw... So, Jade could be immortal and infinite if she was willing to take over other people...
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Valentine wrote:
konzill wrote: Jade gets back the part of herself that resides inside Sara's personal dimension and thereby gains full access to her powers. Remember that this includes the ability to consume matter and shape-shift like crazy. Considering that that would make her part shoggoth, she might qualify as a class X entity.
Most people already believe she qualifies as a Class X entity, just ask Gunny.
I don't think so. Most people still seem to assume that she is the weak link in Team Kimba. Gunny, of course, is not most people, so he may indeed know enough to be afraid.
Though keep in mind that many of her exploits are not well known in universe. The Security chief may know she nailed Bloodwolf to a tree, but it's not common Knowledge, neither are her two Christmas adventures. Especially the one where she only showed up in Cabbit form. And the events of Tenyo goes to hell, not even Jade knows, unless Jet has told her about them.
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konzill wrote:
Valentine wrote: Most people already believe she qualifies as a Class X entity, just ask Gunny.
I don't think so. Most people still seem to assume that she is the weak link in Team Kimba. Gunny, of course, is not most people, so he may indeed know enough to be afraid.
Though keep in mind that many of her exploits are not well known in universe. The Security chief may know she nailed Bloodwolf to a tree, but it's not common Knowledge, neither are her two Christmas adventures. Especially the one where she only showed up in Cabbit form. And the events of Tenyo goes to hell, not even Jade knows, unless Jet has told her about them.
You're mistaking power for the ability to cause insanity. While many consider her to be the weak point in Team Kimba (the Grunts, the Outcasts, Star League Jr., and anyone that has faced Wondercute won't), nearly everyone will agree that where Jade goes, insanity follows.
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: She did publicly curbstomp Mule during their Combat Final, though.
And as one of the leaders of Wondercute she has to be maintaining a good thread level.
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Let's try not to get into the logistics of Jann-sensei where Jade essentially possesses her own body and is in telepathic communication with herself.
And then there's Jinn's interaction with Avatars. In a way, Jade a a whole is an anti-avatar. From what I can tell, most spirits tend to exist separately from the physical reality, but Jinn is tightly bound to it. How can that be the case even though Jinn can be absorbed by an avatar? What other spirits do we know of that can interact with the physical plane like she does?
Not only is Jade's character incredibly complicated, her very own unique ability defies categorization and seems to violate expectations about how mutant powers work. TK, aura vision, and regen are all fairly simple on their own, but her manifested constructs hurt my brain trying to understand them. Either I'm right about being confused, or I'm wrong on all or most of my assumptions, in which case it's confusing enough to the point that it can draw such wildly inaccurate claims.
Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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Angeldude wrote: Not only is Jade's character incredibly complicated, her very own unique ability defies categorization and seems to violate expectations about how mutant powers work.
Yeah, that's about right.

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Also her character is fairly consistent through her own stories, with clear development from story to story, it is just outside of her perspective that we get some of the weird characterizations.
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in Jade 1, the first time Jinn looked at herself, she described herself as "a mist of silvery sparkles" and that she was transparent to her own vision when other things wouldn't be. The fact that Jinn doesn't see normally makes my think the TGTH description is more "real." I'd like to mention as well that, according to the Wiki, silver corresponds to hatred, though Jinn's lack of true emotions makes me believe that's not where the silvery colour comes from.
Insanity: for when normal just isn't interesting enough.
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Angeldude wrote: Nikki and Sara talked about soul powered spells being the "blackest of black magics," and yet this one girl can shatter her own with no ill effects. Do we even know of anyone else who can live with half a soul, let alone a fifth of one?
Who ever said that it was Jared that fractured his own soul in the first place?
Right now, Nikki's living with a portion of her soul - that which considered itself to still be Aunghadhail, whose soul had indeed been shattered into many pieces that took lifetimes to piece back together - destroyed.
Maybe that only amounts to 1% worth of damage to a soul, but what informs the assumption that a 10% remainder of a soul cannot survive? Are all souls necessarily the same "size"? If only complete, single-souled people can exist, and must for some reason die if split, what does such a theory predict for Kayda's survival?
Angeldude wrote: Is there even anyone else who can divide a soul in the first place?
If one person can do it, it's not reasonable to assume that no one else ever can, only that you've not met them. Obviously, from Fey's point of view, what was done to Aunghadhail and all the other Sidhe Queens was black magic. But who decides that, and what does it say about Imalris' creator?
Angeldude wrote: The more I think about it, the more it looks just as impossible as Tennyo destroying a soul entirely.
If one can consider Fey and Carmilla expert enough to cite regarding soul-based magic in the first place, their opinion that Tennyo definitely could have destroyed Hippolyta's soul should be given some weight.
Angeldude wrote: Let's try not to get into the logistics of Jann-sensei where Jade essentially possesses her own body and is in telepathic communication with herself.
Whereas from Grizzly's POV, that's exactly what all souls do: possess their own body for a period of time. If there's no problem with avatar spirits being in telepathic communication with the soul that owns the body, should there be a problem with a spirit that calls itself "Jann" being in telepathic communication with Jade?
Angeldude wrote: And then there's Jinn's interaction with Avatars. In a way, Jade a a whole is an anti-avatar. From what I can tell, most spirits tend to exist separately from the physical reality, but Jinn is tightly bound to it.
We've literally "seen" Grizzly, Kodiak, Aunghadhail - if in a muted form, Laneth, Tatanka, and others. WOG has it that some other spirits take corporeal forms. Since some can, I'd think that some others can as well, including Jinn.
Angeldude wrote: How can that be the case even though Jinn can be absorbed by an avatar? What other spirits do we know of that can interact with the physical plane like she does?
Aside from the aforementioned spirits, maybe not many, but couldn't that be why Jinn is considered a Class-3 entity like the other known Class-3 entities that can be accommodated by an avatar and can also physically manifest?
Angeldude wrote: Either I'm right about being confused, or I'm wrong on all or most of my assumptions, in which case it's confusing enough to the point that it can draw such wildly inaccurate claims.
If you feel confused, you are confused. I think you're making some incorrect assumptions based on incomplete information, and other available information not being considered, but I cannot honestly say that's inherently a fault of the character.
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NJM1564 wrote: I've just bin assuming that Jade was from another universe with differing rules than the Watlyverse. Probably a anime universe. And is still under influence of those physics. At least partially.
Wouldn't that explain a thing or twenty!
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Well that's one explaination. XDNJM1564 wrote: I've just bin assuming that Jade was from another universe with differing rules than the Watlyverse. Probably a anime universe. And is still under influence of those physics. At least partially.
I wouldn't say it is. If I did, she wouldn't be my favourite.null0trooper wrote: but I cannot honestly say that's inherently a fault of the character.
And what do those other spirits have in common that they don't share with Jinn? They weren't created by a single mutant for a short time. Nor are they simple mutants themselves.
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Angeldude wrote: Something has been bothering me about Jade. Let's just look past her insanity, her lies, her demon mark, her curse, her potential immortality, her potential shapeshifting, and her unaging. The very first power she received upon manifesting was the ability to create Jinn, which later grew into the entire J-team with up to 5 (6 if you count Jet) members at a time.
Nope, Jade's first power was her "unaging." Remember that her age is stuck is around 11 or 12. That means that is when she first manifested. Likely during the accident that killed her mother.
Jade (a class 1 entity as all mutants are) somehow has the ability to split her own soul in half, bind half of her soul to arbitrary physical objects, and have her disembodied half-soul act as a class 3 entity. WHAT‽ Nikki and Sara talked about soul powered spells being the "blackest of black magics," and yet this one girl can shatter her own with no ill effects.
Nope, she suffers quite a few effects. She loses energy with casting of a member of the J-Team, until she gets to the point to where she can only just lay around and read. Soul powered spells may be the "blackest of black magics," but Jade isn't using souls to cast spells, nor is she binding souls, nor doing anything to anyone but herself.
Do we even know of anyone else who can live with half a soul, let alone a fifth of one? Is there even anyone else who can divide a soul in the first place? The more I think about it, the more it looks just as impossible as Tennyo destroying a soul entirely.
Aung's soul was split into many pieces. It was not fully reunited, if it is, until Nikki inherited all the pieces.
Let's try not to get into the logistics of Jann-sensei where Jade essentially possesses her own body and is in telepathic communication with herself.
Uh, Jade isn't possessing her own body. If she was then Jann would be in control of the body, not Jade. Skinwalker can possess other bodies.
And then there's Jinn's interaction with Avatars. In a way, Jade a a whole is an anti-avatar. From what I can tell, most spirits tend to exist separately from the physical reality, but Jinn is tightly bound to it. How can that be the case even though Jinn can be absorbed by an avatar? What other spirits do we know of that can interact with the physical plane like she does?
Not sure where you got the idea that spirits exist separately from the real world. The spirits in Whitman were definitely interacting with the real world. Esoteric was reacting with the real world when he saved Jamie and prevented Kayda from leaving. The spirit that interacted with Diamondback and Eldritch in Australia certainly interacted with the real world. As did the one that interacted with Anomaly in Texas. There are a lot of spirits interacting with the real world. Tatanka is also a spirit, and he most definitely interacts with the real world, as does Grizzly and Kodiak. All three can manifest outside their host.
Not only is Jade's character incredibly complicated, her very own unique ability defies categorization and seems to violate expectations about how mutant powers work. TK, aura vision, and regen are all fairly simple on their own, but her manifested constructs hurt my brain trying to understand them. Either I'm right about being confused, or I'm wrong on all or most of my assumptions, in which case it's confusing enough to the point that it can draw such wildly inaccurate claims.
Jade's character is incredibly complicated, but I think you are reading too much into what she does, and assuming that no one else has this power.
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That's actually a myth in the Whatlyverse. There is no evidence to suggest that early manifestation has any benefit other than giving the mutant more time to get handle on and develop there powers.Anne wrote: Usually early manifestation means an OP mutant.
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That's actually a myth in the Whatlyverse. There is no evidence to suggest that early manifestation has any benefit other than giving the mutant more time to get handle on and develop there powers.Anne wrote: Usually early manifestation means an OP mutant.
Well except for Shifty, Miranda, Ember, Diz and Pahelee. They may not be the most powerful, but they are certainly well above average and are expected to get more powerful.
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Valentine wrote: Well except for Shifty, Miranda, Ember, Diz and Pahelee. They may not be the most powerful, but they are certainly well above average and are expected to get more powerful.
Early manifestation also means that they won't be attending Whateley (a high school) unless they have a serious need for the protective environment it provides. Which is why all the young mutants we meet at Whateley tend to be dangerously powerful.
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Valentine wrote: Well except for Shifty, Miranda, Ember, Diz and Pahelee. They may not be the most powerful, but they are certainly well above average and are expected to get more powerful.
Early manifestation also means that they won't be attending Whateley (a high school) unless they have a serious need for the protective environment it provides. Which is why all the young mutants we meet at Whateley tend to be dangerously powerful.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Also, for more ss bias than just "strong enough to need Whateley." There was talk at how the Jr Highs are more likely to burnout, or something, for actual survival being important.
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Malady wrote: Also, for more ss bias than just "strong enough to need Whateley." There was talk at how the Jr Highs are more likely to burnout, or something, for actual survival being important.
Look at it this way... even from a body mass perspective, the average junior high student is what... half the mass of a high school student? If their body goes into an accelerated change, there's that much less mass and energy from normal means for the growth and adaptation of evolutionary traits to occur. This means that the process of manifesting is far more likely to tap into mass/energy that is needed to sustain their life force... or to need to draw energy from 'outside' to complete the process. Being 'stronger' in certain power sets means they're more likely to survive the manifestation without idea resources on hand... their power would allow them to adapt in the moment to use other sources of mass/energy to finish the process. Being 'stronger' in other power sets is more likely to outright kill you. Being weak in power sets either means you complete your manifestation without running out of resources... or that you burnout/die for not having enough resources and lack the adaptability to recover.
But it doesn't happen often. The energy necessary to even start manifesting simply doesn't occur pre-puberty, in most cases.
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That's actually a myth in the Whatlyverse. There is no evidence to suggest that early manifestation has any benefit other than giving the mutant more time to get handle on and develop there powers.Anne wrote: Usually early manifestation means an OP mutant.
Well except for Shifty, Miranda, Ember, Diz and Pahelee. They may not be the most powerful, but they are certainly well above average and are expected to get more powerful.
Vs. The Kimbas, Grunts, Olympions, Outcasts, all of Hawthorne, much of Twain and Whitman.
Only a select few powerhouses are represented in the stories proper.
The trouble magnets.
And that would almost inevitably include almost any of the younger kids who are going to Whateley.
Now late manifestations aka the recycled old guys have bin universally above the average in terms of power. Though who knows if that means anything. It is rather rare.
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konzill wrote: Trying to reconcile Jade's admission to Whateley with that it looks like now is pretty much impossible because the universe has evolved so much since then. To make Jade's story fit what came after you'd really have to rewrite it with substantial changes. For instance, Jade was power tested by the Police rather than the MCO or a super team, and her testing was decidedly non-standard. I don't mean this as a criticism of the author mind you, Babs was writing before most of these things got established
I think you could argue that perhaps at times a local police dept (especially if the state or city had decided that they didn't want the MCO there) could at least do an initial assessment. Of course the MCO would be quick to advertise the fact that they had made horrendous mistakes that cost many lives if anyone the police evaluated ended up doing things that killed people.
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konzill wrote: Trying to reconcile Jade's admission to Whateley with that it looks like now is pretty much impossible because the universe has evolved so much since then. To make Jade's story fit what came after you'd really have to rewrite it with substantial changes. For instance, Jade was power tested by the Police rather than the MCO or a super team, and her testing was decidedly non-standard. I don't mean this as a criticism of the author mind you, Babs was writing before most of these things got established.
Actually given her circumstances Jade's admission is fairly easy to fit into the story. She went to be tested to ensure she really was a mutant so she could qualify for the scholarships she would need to enter Whateley.
If you think about it Jade is a small girl with almost no training and an unusual power. Just the kind of person who would need the protection of Whateley. So they would want to avoid her being "disappeared" by the MCO if at all possible.
Sending her to an old, somewhat debumped, testing facility makes sense. Note I say testing facility. That is where everyone goes for their power ratings pre-Whateley. Most testing facilities are either MCO based or Superhero based but that doesn't mean they all are. Wasn't Sphere tested by a former villain?
The harder part of her origin to reconcile is actually the fact that she is stated to be one of only 2 mutants who live in the city, to the point where there isn't even an MCO office nearby. Excelt later we learn of like 3 others (at Whateley) and 1 major incident in recent history.
Which is impossible if Jades origin is true. In her origin Jade ends up having to research stuff to even find out mutants exist, which would mean a major incident like that couldn't have happened. It would have been all over the news and Jade was almost in middle school, people would have talked about it.
Honestly if everything in Jade's origin were true then mutants would be a relatively new phenomenon, or Topeka has the worst school system possible for learning about recent, very relavent, history.
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Anne wrote:
konzill wrote: Trying to reconcile Jade's admission to Whateley with that it looks like now is pretty much impossible because the universe has evolved so much since then. To make Jade's story fit what came after you'd really have to rewrite it with substantial changes. For instance, Jade was power tested by the Police rather than the MCO or a super team, and her testing was decidedly non-standard. I don't mean this as a criticism of the author mind you, Babs was writing before most of these things got established
I think you could argue that perhaps at times a local police dept (especially if the state or city had decided that they didn't want the MCO there) could at least do an initial assessment. Of course the MCO would be quick to advertise the fact that they had made horrendous mistakes that cost many lives if anyone the police evaluated ended up doing things that killed people.
Her testing was for her acceptance to Whateley, not for any MID. Jade didn't have any big public power use, like Hank, Toni, Billie, Nikki, etc. so Whateley needed to make sure she was a mutant.
"Okay, this is first of all to make sure you really got the juice," the sergeant rumbled in a nearly subsonic bass, "and to give a first stab at classifying you. I'm no expert on that, but I can give a starting point. Also, something to keep in mind is that a lot of the stuff on the entry packet is deliberately made up. It weeds out the loonies, and helps in case that info is released to the public. I mean, like anyone's going to be talking to me, after they're practiced 'creating anti-matter.' Yeah, right. So, don't rely on any of that junk, but use your own words to tell me what you do."
Jared had been too scared to dress as a girl for this, and now he was almost regretting it. Dressing as a girl always made him a little more comfortable and confident. Of course, being Jinn made him downright cocky. Still, he gathered his courage. He wanted to be completely honest, since this was so important.
"Well, I can sort of 'charge' things up. Like gloves. Or a whole outfit even. Or just objects like a paint brush and paint can. And while things are 'charged' it's like I'm two people. The charge lasts for almost 55 minutes these days. Anyway, when I'm her - I call myself 'Jinn' when I'm charged into something, it's like I'm a regular person, but the only way I can touch the real world is through the things I was charged into - if that makes sense. So, if I like charged a pair of gloves, then it's like my hands are in the gloves. But no matter how I try, I can't shift the charge into some other object. But I can pick things up with my gloves. Do you understand?"
The sergeant made some rapid notes on his pad. He picked up a thick leather reference book, but Jared couldn't spot the title. After quickly flipping to an appropriate section, the sergeant asked several more questions.
"Okay, how far away can you be while this is going on?"
Jared shrugged. "Which me? In the physical body you mean? I haven't really found a limit yet. We got up to twenty miles once, before the time limit ran out."
"Oh, so you're awake while all this is happening? Eh, strange. Okay, what happens when the TK construct fades?"
Jared shrugged and smiled. "Then I suddenly remember both of my experiences. Physical and non-physical." He'd almost said, 'in this flesh and as her.'
"Okay. Well, let's get a strength test." The sergeant gestured at a rack of weights. "Do your thing and let's see how much you can lift."
Jared pulled out the pair of gloves that he always carried with him. He decided to add the speaker as well. He charged them, and watched the speaker float into position about where Jinn's mouth should be.
"Okay," she said. "I'm ready."
The huge policeman motioned to the rack of free weights. "Start at the bottom and work your way up. Let me know when you reach your limit."
Jared already knew reasonably well, but he was pleased that Jinn followed the instructions. He wondered if she was bending down or just sinking into the floor to get the lower weights. Finally, she began to collect combinations.
"It's getting kind of awkward to hold in one hand," she admitted. "But it looks like about 180 pounds."
"Hmm," the sergeant made a note. "And if you use both hands?"
"You know, it's odd. I've noticed that too, but it doesn't seem to make any difference whether I use one hand or both hands."
"Right. How about reps? Can you lift and lower them several times?"
The gloves holding the weights began to bob up and down. "All day long. Or at least, until I run out of charge. I don't get tired. Of course, 'exercise' doesn't seem to make me any stronger, either."
"Right. Now a couple of fine tests." He handed the gloves a pen and piece of paper. "Write 'Peter Piper.' You know, the whole thing."
Jared watched as Jinn put the page on the desk and neatly wrote out the requested sentence. He'd always been proud of his handwriting.
"Okay, same pen, do this maze." She did. "Good. Now, look through this microscope. You'll see some tiny beads on that slide. Sort the red ones to the left and the yellow ones to the right."
The gloves spread in apology. "Do you have a needle or something I can use? And the microscope is just in the way. I don't see with light."
"Here." The sergeant handed her a toothpick.
Jinn fumbled with it for a minute, but was no better than Jared would have been in her place. In other words, not too successful. It wasn't until much later that he realized that he could have charged up the slide and beads.
The sergeant flipped back and forth in the book, before finally copying some results over to a complex form. "Right. I've got your telekinesis down. You're classed as a TK-2d. Good dexterity, approximately human strength. Let's look at the esper side, now." He peered at Jared. "You can be in the other room, right?"
"Yeah. I mean, she can do whatever she wants, even if I go into the other room."
"Okay. Step outside. I'll call you back in a few minutes."
Jared nodded and stepped outside. It wasn't very comfortable sitting on a bench, watching sleazy suspects come and go as they were herded around for interrogation. At least they were all escorted. After about five minutes, the door opened and Sergeant Everest called him back in.
"Okay," the big man rumbled, "what did you see?"
"Uh, sir, I can't tell you that until Jinn over there lets go and comes back to me."
"Do it."
And he remembered. "Oh, yeah. Well, you had us read from that book - Power Classification, Testing, and Limitations. Is Whateley Press connected with the Academy?"
"Uh huh. Keep going."
"You had me look at the nine of clubs inside that dark box, proving I could see in the dark. I described your aura colors as you tried to make yourself happy and sad. You suddenly lashed out and hit me," Jared rubbed his left hand, "not that it hurt or anything, and you had me look at some super-tiny etching, but I couldn't see it."
"Right. I make that," again he consulted the book, "An Esper-3 (clairvoyant/aura reader) unlimited range. And for the weird part," he scribbled on the complex form again, "I'm tentatively putting you down as a manifestor, with a second astral body." He flipped through the book once more. "Or should that be as a wizard with one spell, or an avatar: disconnected? Damn this new system!"
While the sergeant wrote, Jared collected the gloves and speaker from where they'd fallen.
He finally finished writing. "Well, that's that. I've already seen your academics. Above average, but nothing to write home about. Still, they'll probably offer you a hardship scholarship."
Jared couldn't believe his ears. "What, you mean I'm in? I was able to lift enough?"
"Naw. Your TK's no great shakes, but who knows, you might develop. The esper-3 is a bit more unusual, particularly with your mobility. Man, we could use you in the department starting today. The perfect spy, undetectable except to specific types of other mutants. It's the reliability that's always the hard part, and you've got that cold."
"I'm in...?"
The sergeant slid a sealed packet across the desk to him. "Here's the final entry forms. I'll be sending off my evaluation separately. You'll want to get those in the mail pretty quickly. The new year starts in just over four weeks. If you want to arrange for a scholarship and forms, that's cutting it pretty close - especially since I see you're a ward of the state. That means an extra round of paperwork."
The huge man nodded to himself, then added more quietly, "They told me you were a Category Three. I don't care about why, although I'm guessing it has something to do with the ward of the state business. You'll have to give the admissions office your real and assumed names, but for all public activity, you'll use the new name. Details are inside. Don't feel bad about it, lots of folks use it. Protecting their families, some types of body change." He gestured at himself. "It means that you can make up your own handle and identity when you finish the application. Don't worry. You can choose an official tag later, in your senior year. But this lets you pick one for use with the other students."
If you read through, that is all for her acceptance to Whateley.
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Jarjaross wrote: The harder part of her origin to reconcile is actually the fact that she is stated to be one of only 2 mutants who live in the city, to the point where there isn't even an MCO office nearby. Excelt later we learn of like 3 others (at Whateley) and 1 major incident in recent history.
Which is impossible if Jades origin is true. In her origin Jade ends up having to research stuff to even find out mutants exist, which would mean a major incident like that couldn't have happened. It would have been all over the news and Jade was almost in middle school, people would have talked about it.
Honestly if everything in Jade's origin were true then mutants would be a relatively new phenomenon, or Topeka has the worst school system possible for learning about recent, very relavent, history.
Always remember the easiest way to pass a lie detector test, tell the lie to someone else so that they believe it is the truth and get them to do the test. Just because they believe it's the truth and lie detector says they are telling the truth, doesn't make what they say true.
In the Whateley Universe to a greater or lesser extent nearly everything told is from the point of view of an 'unreliable' witness. Just because they believe it is true or have been told something is true, does not make it true, nor necessarily what someone else viewing the incident from a different perspective believes is true.
There are so many factions pushing so many agendas and murking so many waters, it very hard to work out what is the truth anymore, and as they say, there is none so blind as those who will not see.
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Anne wrote: Razorback ends up purple,
Barny joke? Bin done. By the imp. How about painting him like rainbow sparkle. The new show hasn't bin released in the Whatelyverse, but the original was.
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Anne wrote: Razorback ends up purple,
Barny joke? Bin done. By the imp. How about painting him like rainbow sparkle. The new show hasn't bin released in the Whatelyverse, but the original was.
Is that When Rainbow Dash and Twilight Sparkle do the Fusion Dance?
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Anne wrote: Razorback ends up purple,
Barny joke? Bin done. By the imp. How about painting him like rainbow sparkle. The new show hasn't bin released in the Whatelyverse, but the original was.
Is that When Rainbow Dash and Twilight Sparkle do the Fusion Dance?
Could be. Also explains why my search for reference images brought up such confused answers.
The image I has was white/blue base with a sparkly rainbow pattern down the back of his head and body.
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Anne wrote: Razorback ends up purple, Diamondback ends up with pink scales, even Eldricht ends up pink tinted.... As for Jericho, he's color coordinated in pink hello kitty gear that he can't get out of.
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Didn't Jericho get him with purple paint on Parent's Day 2006?
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Antisocial Personality Disorder cannot be diagnosed before age 18. That said, there's still a chance that she qualifies for the younger version, Conduct Disorder.
The criteria is as follows. 3 must must have been met in the past 12 months and 1 in the past 6 months.
- Often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others. (maybe?)
- Often initiates physical fights. (occasionally)
- Has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun). (I don't think this applies at Whateley)
- Has been physically cruel to people. (yes)
- Has been physically cruel to animals. (I don't think so)
- Has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery). (She did in her origin. Not sure about since then.)
- Has forced someone into sexual activity. (Um... Jet did encourage Sara.)
- Has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage. (explosives? yes. fire? no.)
- Has deliberately destroyed others’ property (other than by fire setting). (I think so)
- Has broken into someone else’s house, building, or car. (she broke into a museum in France. Does that count?)
- Often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., “cons” others). (She lies about many things. Not so sure about this one though.)
- Has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery). (no)
- Often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years. (don't think so)
- Has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in the parental or parental surrogate home, or once without returning for a lengthy period. (wouldn't surprise me if she did, but it would have been unrelated to this.)
- Is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years. (don't think so.)
In conclusion, I believe that Conduct Disorder does not appear to be her diagnosis. Someone can try going back through her stories to solidify my evaluations. I also encourage others to try and find a diagnosis that fits better for her. I haven't checked Borderline Personality Disorder and that could be a potential candidate.
P.S. I really hope I don't get in trouble for copying the diagnostic criteria here.
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Angeldude wrote: I just checked the DSM-5. (Horray for University proxy!)
Antisocial Personality Disorder cannot be diagnosed before age 18. That said, there's still a chance that she qualifies for the younger version, Conduct Disorder.
The criteria is as follows. 3 must must have been met in the past 12 months and 1 in the past 6 months.
- Often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others. (maybe?)
- Often initiates physical fights. (occasionally)
- Has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun). (I don't think this applies at Whateley)
- Has been physically cruel to people. (yes)
- Has been physically cruel to animals. (I don't think so)
- Has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery). (She did in her origin. Not sure about since then.)
- Has forced someone into sexual activity. (Um... Jet did encourage Sara.)
- Has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage. (explosives? yes. fire? no.)
- Has deliberately destroyed others’ property (other than by fire setting). (I think so)
- Has broken into someone else’s house, building, or car. (she broke into a museum in France. Does that count?)
- Often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., “cons” others). (She lies about many things. Not so sure about this one though.)
- Has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery). (no)
- Often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years. (don't think so)
- Has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in the parental or parental surrogate home, or once without returning for a lengthy period. (wouldn't surprise me if she did, but it would have been unrelated to this.)
- Is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years. (don't think so.)
In conclusion, I believe that Conduct Disorder does not appear to be her diagnosis. Someone can try going back through her stories to solidify my evaluations. I also encourage others to try and find a diagnosis that fits better for her. I haven't checked Borderline Personality Disorder and that could be a potential candidate.
P.S. I really hope I don't get in trouble for copying the diagnostic criteria here.
Does self-defense count for this sort of thing?
Often initiates physical fights. (occasionally) - I don't think we have seen Jade initiate a fight, other than in self-defense or the Sims/Combat final where it is expected.
Has been physically cruel to people. (yes) - Only once, other than self-defense and she had had a very bad day, plus the guy she was cruel to was going to kill and eat her. That might be extenuating circumstances.
Has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery). (She did in her origin. Not sure about since then.) - She was the victim there.
Has forced someone into sexual activity. (Um... Jet did encourage Sara.) - She/Jet may have encouraged it, but she didn't force it.
Has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage. (explosives? yes. fire? no.) - The Sims don't count. (unless I missed Jade blowing up someone/thing)
Has broken into someone else’s house, building, or car. (she broke into a museum in France. Does that count?) - Again this was self-defense, and I don't think that counts.
Often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., “cons” others). (She lies about many things. Not so sure about this one though.) - Mostly she "lies" about her genitalia, and her pranks, but I am fairly certain she hasn't lied to obtain something she didn't earn.
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- Bullies go for the easiest targets, and then for their biggest vulnerabilities.
- Her antics stop, not escalate, when she recognizes someone's hurting too much to get in on the joke. To be fair, Ayla's over-controlled affect makes it hard to tell how far over the line she's gone with him.
- "Intimidates others" only counts when the person is trying to intimidate them. Jade is simply not intimidating; she is terrifying.
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> Often initiates physical fights. (occasionally)
Once, on a person who had imprisoned part of her. Everyone should be allowed one bad week.
Supervised training and challenge matches are NOT what the authors of the DSM are referring to.
> Has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun). (I don't think this applies at Whateley)
It very much applies to Whateley. Many students assume that they can shoot someone and the victim will heal up in minutes. A prepared mage or devisor might have shielding that will stop a bullet. Otherwise, it's a miracle more kids haven't died or been permanently disabled.
Bear in mind that while this is written poorly enough that some would include sport shooting, hunting, cooking (knives!), several martial arts, all soldiers and police, that's not what the criteria are about.
> Has been physically cruel to people. (yes)
As others have said, Bloodwolf and his crew got off lightly compared to what they planned to do to her (premeditated murder and desecration of a corpse).
> Has been physically cruel to animals. (I don't think so)
Hasn't been shown, no.
> Has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery). (She did in her origin. Not sure about since then.)
So, not in the last 12 months.
> Has forced someone into sexual activity. (Um... Jet did encourage Sara.)
Sara, formerly Michael Waite, while having the appearance of a minor was an adult. Jet, while having the appearance of an adult, was a minor.
> Has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage. (explosives? yes. fire? no.)
> Has deliberately destroyed others’ property (other than by fire setting). (I think so)
Outside of training and self-defense. The previous question was about rape, these two are about arson and vandalism.
> Has broken into someone else’s house, building, or car. (she broke into a museum in France. Does that count?)
No. This is about domiciles and private property.
> Often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., “cons” others). (She lies about many things. Not so sure about this one though.)
"To obtain goods or favors, or to avoid obligations"
This is a question about material gain, i.e., Fraud.
> Has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery). (no)
> Often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years. (don't think so)
> Has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in the parental or parental surrogate home, or once without returning for a lengthy period. (wouldn't surprise me if she did, but it would have been unrelated to this.)
> Is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years. (don't think so.)
These absolutely would not apply in a domestic/child abuse situation, such as Jared lived. Seriously. Would you blame a kid for missing school after his father punched him out again, because questions from the teachers would only make things worse at home?
This is why armchair psychoanalysis is such a Bad Idea. There is a checklist, but to go down that list without understanding that none of these things have any application outside their context is to do your intended target wrong. What the terms mean to a trained professional , or even an experienced non-professional, is not what you are reading into them.
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In AP Psychology in high school, one of the assignments was to write an actual diagnostic report on a fictional character. Most people take the easy route and give Sheldon Cooper Asperger's Syndrome. Had I known about Whateley at the time, I probably would have chosen Jade.
(Fun fact: it was during this very assignment when my friend introduced me to TVTropes.)
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Angeldude wrote: In AP Psychology in high school, one of the assignments was to write an actual diagnostic report on a fictional character. Most people take the easy route and give Sheldon Cooper Asperger's Syndrome. Had I known about Whateley at the time, I probably would have chosen Jade.
Outside of her severe problems with her gender and identity, and her determination to have some sort of family, what's interesting about Jade is that many of her reactions to the extreme situations have been relatively sane. That includes Wondercute: the team is mostly girls with low-end powers that leave them targets for bullying by students and staff. They've redirected much of the attention toward their "wacky antics" and made themselves less attractive targets for casual bullying. There's just no props for picking on little girls still into unicorns. ( It's much like what Jericho is doing with his clothing. )
I can almost picture Bloodwolf and Buster sharing a bucket of popcorn while watching newbies head into the baited trap. It's a free show, and the blood isn't theirs.
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That is sooo true. Just like the old guys at the muppet theatre. Making fun of the fresh crop of bullies while laughing their asses off. And rubbing old wounds while watching on from the side lines.I can almost picture Bloodwolf and Buster sharing a bucket of popcorn while watching newbies head into the baited trap. It's a free show, and the blood isn't theirs.
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null0trooper wrote: > Has been physically cruel to animals. (I don't think so)
Hasn't been shown, no.
There is a deviant art pic of her saying that "She doesn't like it when other people are cruel to animals." But this was when she was marking blood wolf while he was staked to a tree. And isn't cannon.
Though how she treats Danny might count.
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NJM1564 wrote: There is a deviant art pic of her saying that "She doesn't like it when other people are cruel to animals." But this was when she was marking blood wolf while he was staked to a tree. And isn't cannon.
Though how she treats Danny might count.
The picture may not be canon, but the portrayed events actually happened in a canon story:
Revenge of the Alphas wrote: “I wouldn’t do this, normally,” she continued. “But you killed that bobcat. And I think you hurt it before you killed it. I don’t like it when other people hurt the animals! If you do it again, I’ll be very upset!”
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Sir Lee wrote:
NJM1564 wrote: There is a deviant art pic of her saying that "She doesn't like it when other people are cruel to animals." But this was when she was marking blood wolf while he was staked to a tree. And isn't cannon.
Though how she treats Danny might count.
The picture may not be canon, but the portrayed events actually happened in a canon story
The fridge horror comes from reading "I don’t like it when other people hurt the animals!" ("Don't hurt them!")
as "I don’t like it when other people hurt the animals!" ("That's MY job!")
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null0trooper wrote:
Sir Lee wrote:
NJM1564 wrote: There is a deviant art pic of her saying that "She doesn't like it when other people are cruel to animals." But this was when she was marking blood wolf while he was staked to a tree. And isn't cannon.
Though how she treats Danny might count.
The picture may not be canon, but the portrayed events actually happened in a canon story
The fridge horror comes from reading "I don’t like it when other people hurt the animals!" ("Don't hurt them!")
as "I don’t like it when other people hurt the animals!" ("That's MY job!")
I just reread that part. Bloodwolf legitimately believes that she's a named demon who wanted the sacrifice to be in her name. XD
Unlike Imp who was labeled a demon for her appearance, Jade was labeled a demon for her actions, words, and relation with Jinn juxtaposed with her appearance.
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Anne wrote: Razorback ends up purple,
Barny joke? Bin done. By the imp. How about painting him like rainbow sparkle. The new show hasn't bin released in the Whatelyverse, but the original was.
Is that When Rainbow Dash and Twilight Sparkle do the Fusion Dance?
Could be. Also explains why my search for reference images brought up such confused answers.
The image I has was white/blue base with a sparkly rainbow pattern down the back of his head and body.
LOL that actually looks like the paint on my car!
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This would make sense, in the way that her ability to generate the J-Team is increasing.
It would also make sense from the way that Absinthe is able to perceive the connections between Jade and her "devises".
Side-note: Jade would definitely need to take both Intro to Magic 101, and, the Intro to Psychic Arts, to get a larger picture of how these skills operate.
Have any of the teachers been able to perceive the connections, and, would they have pointed this out to her Course Guidance Counsellor, in order for the CGC to help her to learn more effectively?
Other side-note: What stories are there that would cover the unperceived actions of the faculty, the admin, and, the security sides of Whateley?
Vignettes that spring to mind,
- Loophole's & Jericho's problems with the power supply for the armour, and, the way that those had to be quickly contained;
- The constant background mentions of the security + Reverend Englund having to deal with Class X threats in the local area;
- Eldritch and Hartford's conversations about the DFA's, and how the Admin dept was approaching that through the longer-term avenue's within the legal system;
- Fey describing the Knots of Magic, that she was dealing with in the lunch hall;
This was also lampshaded in Jade's conversations with Fey's mother during the Christmas Elves Story, about trying to have lunch, when there's all kinds of wyrdness going on in the background.
I always find it fascinating to see how the different author's describe the background plot-threads from the PoV of the "Unreliable Narrator's" who are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, in the incidents that they actually see, without the context that we get as from being able to get the bigger picture by reading the full range of Canon stories.
There was one piece by Mozart, A Sonata for Violin and Piano, where he only wrote the violin part. The piano part was created as being implicit, like you are only hearing one side of a telephone conversation, and having to work out the rest from context.
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Valentine wrote: I believe those "knots of magic" that Fey was seeing was an untatooed Eldritch wandering around mucking with the ley lines.
Some of them, yes.

But if that sort of thing can crop up "naturally", then it would be relatively normal to have this pattern of behaviour.
Whateley being a sort of hot-house where lots of these things are concentrated in one area, rather than being spread out all over the planet.
It would also be interesting to look at what has been happening similarly, in other places where you don't have the concentration of background experience in dealing with this sort of thing.
This would also make for another strand of "Origin" stories, which would lead to characters being sent to Whateley. The "You're not a mutant, but we're sending you there anyway, as they're the only ones who know how to deal with you" type of plot-thread. Relevant example being Chou.
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Mister D wrote: I always find it fascinating to see how the different author's describe the background plot-threads from the PoV of the "Unreliable Narrator's" who are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, in the incidents that they actually see, without the context that we get as from being able to get the bigger picture by reading the full range of Canon stories.
There's been talk by one of the authors about working on a Rashomon-style story at some point... I'd really like to see that.
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From what I've read, Danny is only in wondercute very reluctantly, yet Jade doesn't seem to realize this. Or she doesn't care because she wants the "cute kitty" in her group?
Alyss doesn't want to join wondercute, and has made that clear. Yet, Jade apparently won't take no for an answer?
And, sometimes, it kinda seems like she does what she does, playing pranks and such, because she looks like a kid and therefore knows she can and will get away with it without much trouble. This last part may just be because I hate pranks...
I'm not saying she IS a bully, just that she sometimes exhibit that behavior, at least a bit.
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I don't think your analysis is incorrect. Jade has become very much a person who pushes to get her own way. Granted her personality was formed a great deal by Tansy. So, she probably needs an anchor which she does not have right now.Greatdingo wrote: I've been reading a few stories, instead of doing what I should be doing of course, and it seems to me that Jade is occasionally exhibiting bully-ish behavior.
From what I've read, Danny is only in wondercute very reluctantly, yet Jade doesn't seem to realize this. Or she doesn't care because she wants the "cute kitty" in her group?
Alyss doesn't want to join wondercute, and has made that clear. Yet, Jade apparently won't take no for an answer?
And, sometimes, it kinda seems like she does what she does, playing pranks and such, because she looks like a kid and therefore knows she can and will get away with it without much trouble. This last part may just be because I hate pranks...
I'm not saying she IS a bully, just that she sometimes exhibit that behavior, at least a bit.
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Greatdingo wrote: I've been reading a few stories, instead of doing what I should be doing of course, and it seems to me that Jade is occasionally exhibiting bully-ish behavior.
From what I've read, Danny is only in wondercute very reluctantly, yet Jade doesn't seem to realize this. Or she doesn't care because she wants the "cute kitty" in her group?
Alyss doesn't want to join wondercute, and has made that clear. Yet, Jade apparently won't take no for an answer?
And, sometimes, it kinda seems like she does what she does, playing pranks and such, because she looks like a kid and therefore knows she can and will get away with it without much trouble. This last part may just be because I hate pranks...
I'm not saying she IS a bully, just that she sometimes exhibit that behavior, at least a bit.
Once Jade realized that she was accepted as a girl, she became a bully/get her way person. Remember that the only person to actually have any control over her is Billie, she will go along with the rest if she wants to, but if Billie says something she listens.
Wondercute, Jade is pushing both Danny and Alyss into joining Wondercute, because they're both cute. Alyss is a natural with her apparent youth and Lolita dresses, but I think that Alyss has also realized that this is a great way to get girl immersion. She will learn more about being a little girl from Wondercute faster, than any other way.
Danny on the other hand seems to be joining both from pressure and as a self-defense mechanism. He knows he's going to bullied, but no one but Freshmen will mess with Wondercute. No one is that dumb. Danny also knows that at some point Winihape is likely to maim or kill one of the bullies if he loses control, so stopping the bullying is important.
Pranks, remember that with Jade, the only fun is the big fun. Her pranks are rarely intentionally mean, but she doesn't quite have a good feel for her audience. Pranking Phase in the cafeteria, great fun, pranking Phase in the classroom, not a good idea. Pranks with Belle, Thorn, and Posies fun, Peeper in the cafeteria a bit malicious. Delivering Jobe a PB&J hilarious, chasing Belfatso with plastic stinging hornets, funny but a bit malicious.
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If we (as we should) restrict ourselves to the canon stories she does some pranking but the writing goes out of its way to say that compared to the real pranksters like Belle she doesn't really do anything like that.
What is her big prank? Animating Tenyo's Cabbit and give everybody a good time. She got a bit carried away herself, but never got even close to hurting anybody. Just frustrating them a tiny little bit with the sillyness of it.
What she did when avatared by Tansy was her intentionally tormenting her captor to force her to let her go. I may have missed another Jade prank in her official pov stories, but I think that's about it.
The second biggest source of Jade stories are the Ayla ones. The most famous prank there of course were the shoulder angels. which started out as a really funny joke pulled on Ayla that she carried a bit too far in the team tactics class. After which she dropped it. She and Bunny also pulled it on Peeper (but let's face it at that point in Canon stories Peeper and his sidekick just existed to be the punch(line) of a joke. That the whole shoulder angel thing spiraled out of control is hardly Jade's fault and certainly not something she encouraged.
The radioactive condor girl thing was meant to be a noodle incident and only much later got explained, and was funny mostly because of how Gunny overreacted to it (and because it was just so ridiculously sounding).
There was also the little incident where Jade charged a jinn into Ayla's clothes, and Ayla retaliated by stealing Jade's panties off her in the middle of the cafetaria.
Oh, and there was that teasing of Jobe during the Ayla and the Mad Scientist story, but that was really mild (she teased his robotic door guards about beign a robot and gave him a really lackluster lunch while Ayla and Jadis got something edible).
I think that's about all the pranks in the Ayla stories?
After that we get pretty far from pov Jade. Wondercute are delightfully whacky stories and it makes a point of explaining that their power is not inherent but in the way they are completely unpredictable (the first sim deliberately draws a link to the dragonslayers and their insane tactics).
What I haven't seen is Jade doing any bullying. She's occasionally inconsiderate or acts without thinking things quite through. Of course she also is a 14 year old with the brain of an 11 year old. Neither are famed for their considered approach to things...
The POV Jade as I read her is obsessed to the point of mania with becoming a girl in body as well as mind, She's creative and mischievous and has the typical teenager's problems with pulling back before her ideas run away from her and with thinking before she acts.
And she is scared a lot of the time. For good and not so good reasons.
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Erianaiel wrote: The POV Jade as I read her is obsessed to the point of mania with becoming a girl in body as well as mind,
There is only one thing that Jade values more than girlhood: Billie. Internally, she's pretty much just focused on those 2 things. Everything else comes after.
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Granted they would likely be horrified if someone pointed out how their actions can be perceived. The thing is they are kids so they don't really thing about.
Also is Jade' s reaction to something she can blow stuff way out of proportion with a "prank" because as someone who isn't a preform or even just a rational person she fails to see when enough is enough or if something goes to far unless A Billie calls her on it/prevents her from doing it. Or B it goes to far ala shoulder angels and a teacher ends up involved.
Plus Jade can be absolutely terrifying if she wants. Look at bloodwolf and his crew
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Now to Jade's credit she cannot imagine that anyone wouldn't want to be a part of Wondercute if they are 'cute'. She doesn't pursue Bloodwolf except to remind him that she knows some of his activities and that she is watching him... And he only guesses at the possibilities that Jade has in her arsenal as far as the ability to be the ultimate spy!!
As far as dangerous, I believe the last time we saw a story from Jade's perspective she was rated somewhere at the top of the underdogs as a threat. But no one who has had an encounter would rate her much below about 50! She is a regen 7 due to her connection with the Starstalker...!! That alone ought to raise her threat level. Well another combat final will probably change that rating...
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Anne wrote: She is a regen 7 due to her connection with the Starstalker...!! That alone ought to raise her threat level. Well another combat final will probably change that rating...
That would be Tennyo with the 7+. Jade's a Regen-5 biohazard.
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