Question Rises the Sun!

Katssun wrote: Wow...I guess we understand why Kako constantly harasses Hikaru to live a little. We knew her past was bad, but fighting mythos things in foreign countries, losing Aiko and unborn child to (hopefully?) random accident, and all the rest.

I might be totally wrong, but let me see if I can wrap my head around the mythological implications of the Sundering revealed to us here:

When the Sundering began to occur (the Sidhe's fault of course... ) Izanagi and Izanami built a barrier around Japan, that eventually extended to Korea and coastal China, that Amaterasu and her siblings and allies like Benzaiten defended from the things but also the overall effect of the Sundering itself. Izanami eventually went insane, instead of dying per the myth, leaving the care of Japan to their children. Succeeding in stopping the Sundering from affecting Japan, the price connecting to that power, eventually left them "out of phase" for lacking a better term with their children and grandchildren, but still retaining pre-Sundering magic power. They can use their long-distant descendants as Avatars though, effectively making them spirits to the Japanese, and why they are viewed as gods.

Amaterasu can only go into her own bloodline, while Benzaiten can use anyone Japanese...and hey look, there's a siren!

So they are similar-but-different from the Sidhe ghost-spirits who were ruined by the Sundering now creeping their way back into the world, and the Always-Been-and-Still-Are Spirits of The People.

Then we have these three (or more) types of spirits who either settle in their hosts happily in the typical avatars relationship, or those that co-opt the body that we've seen in

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Elle's story from Gen 1.

Are mythos/Type X baddies then doing the same thing, possessing and warping their hosts, as ghost-spirit remnants like the Sidhe left over from the Sundering?

MageOhki wrote: Oh, question: Do you all want to see what's going around Dan, at the end of Chapter 2? other people's/areas reactions, or not?

Dreamer wrote:
Southwest Afghanistan, March, 2006. Why does Dan not like the cold and caves? Taliban recruiting and hiring C-list supervillains, yikes. Only Daniel and Tyson survive the helicopter being hit. Who is this guy, Twilight, and is he talking about Amaterasu and calling her a bitch? And it was a spell, probably Mythos, that hit Daniel. Saved by a shooter who turns out to be a blonde Sidhe in British camouflage. And they dissolve like that, ewww.

And Daniel was saved by magical shielding on an underlayer, very nice. Legion made the shielding, though he calls Sidhe pointy eared fools, brother. Tyson wanting to get a warning out about who is involved in the attack, yet told getting them to safety is more important. From the sounds of it, probably the Black Dragons. If not, someone else has some very nasty magic.

Katssun wrote: Then we have these three (or more) types of spirits who either settle in their hosts happily in the typical avatars relationship, or those that co-opt the body that we've seen in

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Elle's story from Gen 1.

Katssun wrote: Are mythos/Type X baddies then doing the same thing, possessing and warping their hosts, as ghost-spirit remnants like the Sidhe left over from the Sundering?

MageOhki wrote: Dog Squadron of Delta is a WU creation, it's primary mission (and it was formed in the 80's) is exactly what the Equalizers are. But they're better at it, mostly because they had unlimited funding, and other reasons which I can't go into.

Oh, question: Do you all want to see what's going around Dan, at the end of Chapter 2? other people's/areas reactions, or not?

Kaitha39 wrote: So Hikaru-sama is being regressed from an old widower into a sixteen year old girl?

So Hikaru-sama is being regressed from an old widower into a sixteen year old girl? Will she ever share beers and cigars with Ribbon?

MageOhki wrote: Needless to say, I'm now more convinced I DO need to show a lot more background and what's going around and affecting the main, than a few think.

By that: I don't just mean Tyson's view, I mean other events/sitautions/povs after the activation. Various stuff.

What's your view.

Katssun wrote: Then we have these three (or more) types of spirits who either settle in their hosts happily in the typical avatars relationship, or those that co-opt the body that we've seen in

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Elle's story from Gen 1.

Otherself wrote: Maybe it's simply I'm rincoglionito but, was it explained anywhere why Daniel has an MMID?

Esar wrote:

Otherself wrote: Maybe it's simply I'm rincoglionito but, was it explained anywhere why Daniel has an MMID?

Do you mean James Tyson ? Because he is the only one for whom a MMID is mentionned in this story. And maybe he is a mutant but hasn't shown his power yet (for all we know he might just be an exemplar 2 and we would be none the wiser).

And I know nothing about guns so I will not even try to answer the second question.

>“My name is Sergeant-Major James Tyson, US Army, Retired. MMID Code US-00027-GA. Paranormal breaking up the attack is Lt. Colonel Moate, US Army, Retired, MMID Code US-19213-LA. If the MCO comes through they’re going to kill both of them.” He redoubled his speed and arrived as Daniel Moate dropped to his knees, sidearm out in case anyone else felt the need to revisit the violence.

Otherself wrote: No I mean Daniel Moate

Esar wrote: Do you mean James Tyson ? Because he is the only one for whom a MMID is mentionned in this story. And maybe he is a mutant but hasn't shown his power yet (for all we know he might just be an exemplar 2 and we would be none the wiser).

Rises the Sun (Part 1) wrote: Daniel snorted. The fact Tyson had managed to stay married, was a not so near miracle, in the younger man’s eyes. Being a regenerator who actually seemed to focus on aging, over raw injury was just the tip of the issue, as Daniel could see. But, Tyson was from a different age.

Otherself wrote: No I mean Daniel Moate:

>“My name is Sergeant-Major James Tyson, US Army, Retired. MMID Code US-00027-GA. Paranormal breaking up the attack is Lt. Colonel Moate, US Army, Retired, MMID Code US-19213-LA. If the MCO comes through they’re going to kill both of them.” He redoubled his speed and arrived as Daniel Moate dropped to his knees, sidearm out in case anyone else felt the need to revisit the violence.

Esar wrote:

Otherself wrote: No I mean Daniel Moate

He is from the army and he is a mutant, a MMID seems logical :

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“Ayup. Well, his file, Richard?” Tyson took the file passed over to him, and flipped through it. Eyebrows rising at one page, he blinked. “What the ... ”

“Got to the testing section, I see.” Richard’s voice was amused. “Yeah, the power testers are sure he’s active, but have no idea WHAT his powers are, if any, of course. Best guess is an avatar, unbound. Some are hoping he picks up a nice spirit we can use.”

Katssun wrote: Tyson: US-00027-GA
Daniel: US-19213-LA

This suddenly raises a lot of questions.

Considering the small percentage of mutants who exist in the US, coupled with the percentage of those mutants who enter the military (including the fraction of which come from Whateley's ROTC program...after Whateley existed as a mutant school) and including whatever "designated hero" military personnel there are...there can't honestly be that many in the military.

Katssun wrote: It's not so much the difference between the numbers, it is how low Tyson's number happens to be.

He's in the very first batch of mutants issued MMIDs, no?

50 years is also an incredibly long time, especially considering he wasn't interested or wasn't allowed to move up through the ranks.

JG wrote: Tyson had achieved the maximum rank to remain an enlisted man.

Some people (a lot of NCOs) have ZERO desire to become officers. And there are few (if any) mechanisms to force someone higher.

Within the military, is someone says the do not deserve/are not ready for a promotion, the wise and accepted standard is to take them at their word.

JG wrote: Tyson was a Sergeant First Class or First Sergeant before Erik Mahren was fully potty trained

MageOhki wrote: I do make a comment that Tyson's _pay_ grade is Warrant 3, on retirement.

Katssun wrote: Tyson: US-00027-GA
Daniel: US-19213-LA

Jade 6 wrote: Headmistress Carson continued. “Despite the superb reputation of many heroic mutants such as Champion, the events of the nineties changed the world. The public was left with a renewed fear of rogue mutants. This combined politically with a growing international need for mutant supervision. It culminated more than a decade ago, in 1995, when the various national bodies ceded authority to the MCO, which incidentally stands for Mutant Commission Office, not Mutant Control, as so many of you have dubbed them. In late 1996, it was made an international law that mutants must report themselves when crossing national boundaries. Identification records became standardized, and the process has continued to evolve until the present day.”

MageOhki wrote: Could or would. To be accurate.

Sir Lee wrote:

Katssun wrote: Tyson: US-00027-GA
Daniel: US-19213-LA

Let's parse those MMIDs, shall we?

First part is obvious: US, to distinguish from MIDs/MMIDs issued by other governments.
Last part is also not hard to deduce: U.S. state where it was originally issued. Note that Daniel is a Louisiana native.

Mid part, the number itself... hmmm... it's entirely possible that it's not strictly sequential. I see two different possibilities:
1- MMID number breaks down into at two-digit "year of issuance" code and a three-digit "serial" number. That would mean that:
a) Tyson was already in the Armed Forces as a known mutant when MMIDs started getting issued, and he was included in the first batch.
b) Daniel got his MMID in the 20th year of the MMID issuance program. Since that was in 1997, that would put the first MMID batch in 1977.
c) allocating three digits for each year means that whoever designed the system considered it within the bounds of probability that they would have a year with more than 100 mutants, but highly unlikely that they would ever get more than a thousand. (And, in fact, under this system they had at least 213 in 1997). With the upward trend in mutant manifestations and better detection of low-level mutants (Daniel barely registered as a mutant but got a MMID anyway), those assumptions may get challenged pretty soon.

2- Alternately, it's quite possible that, while the numbers are sequential, the last digit is not part of the sequence but a control digit (like a CRC) -- in fact, I'm pretty surprised that a government-issued ID number does not include some sort of integrity check. That would mean that Tyson was got the second-EVER MMID issued by the US, and that the total number of mutants in the military or military families was still under 2000 in 1997. Still, that would mean that the system was designed for a maximum of ten thousand mutants, which is going to be a problem fairly soon.

Note that even if we assume the numbers ARE purely sequential, that is, five digits long, they are still going to eventually run out of numbers, since the essential fact remains: between whenever-it-was that they started issuing MMIDs and 1997 almost one-fifth of the available numbers were used up... and the rate of issuance could be increasing over time, be it due to population growth, increased rates of manifestation or simply improved detection of an active MGC...

So... each different system suggests a different total number of MMIDs issued as of 1997:
- Plain sequential suggests near twenty thousand;
- Sequential with CRC suggests on-tenth of that, that is, about two thousand;
- And "year plus serial" falls somewhere in the middle -- let's say about 150 per year on average, over 20 years, that would be some 3000 MMIDs. It could be as much as twice that, though. Not much more than that, however, because if they started getting years with 800 MMIDs issued somebody would already be looking into revamping the system (perhaps by adding one more digit).

Combining both systems (YY-NN-C) would allow only 100 MMIDs per year, maximum -- meaning that the actual average number was much lower, maybe in the teens. Less than 20 MMIDs per year? Seems awfully low for the setting.

Malady wrote: @Dreamer - What slashed part of your review is supposed to be, and what is just because you didn't close it??

Sir Lee wrote: Er... just downloaded it, haven't really read it yet, but while prepping for e-book noticed something...

Chapter numbering is inconsistent?
We have:
* Part 1 (released a few weeks ago)
** Chapter 1: Accretion
** Chapter 2: Collapse
* Part 2 (released today)
** Interlude: Molecular Cloud
** Chapter 2: Ignition

mhalpern wrote: The telepath at the military hospital is related to an officially "late" Whatelely range instructor, I get the feeling that this "Butcher's Row" event that took down the Goodkinds' power has to do with a certain "doctor" employed in their genetic research labs, but it seems that Saros picked up the pieces,

- Who is Jericho's wife?

Yolandria wrote:

- Who is Jericho's wife?

Dammit Kat...You beat me to it. Clearly there is much more to the Sidewinder Holdings than beats the eye. Throwing around that kind of money with no strings...That's impressive on the low end and just insane on the other.

OtherEric wrote: Could just as easily have been referring to Tabby Cat; or even Lily keeping her maiden name. I
have no clue who is intended, or even if it isn't a Schrodinger's namedrop.

Sidewinder Holdings was quite generous. Further, the lovely Mrs. Turner was able to convince several of her friends and contacts, to help staff the new departments.

Katssun wrote: - Raven, and Coyote and Amaterasu have history! Implying that many of The People's origin myths involved the Japanese gods as the unnamed figures. Loved these subtle references!

Valentine wrote: First thought: Looooooooong!

Second thought: Wow she was out for a long time.

A couple of things; Acronyms are great, as long as the reader knows what they are, in a couple cases I could figure out what they referred to, but not what they stood for. Second on the pronunciation of Japanese words and names, HELP! Could you post a pronunciation guide for at least the names? Please. (Sorry it's been a bit of a peeve of mine since I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress 40 years ago and realized I didn't know how the Russian was supposed to sound.)

Now I wonder how many people know about Eric. The military goes apeshit as a commando manifests late. Now lots of investigating and ass covering to go on. At least some people are concerned about Dan. Including at least one assassin. Lt. Mahren? Eric's little sister?

Lots of hints as to how things have changed between Gen 1 & 2. Somewhere along the line the Goodkinds got out of funding the Mutant hating business. And Mr. Saros took over. (I think I would have used a different name.) More from the mysterious Sidewinder Holdings, including that they have lots of dollars. And an equally mysterious Mrs. Turner... Along with a not yet disappeared Lord Paramount. Mr. Saros might have a tough fight against a couple billion in the pocket, and some potentially famous instructors.

I am wondering how the military/government kept the Japanese at bay for over a month. But finally Dan awakens. He takes the changes quite well, of course he was warned. I guess Nome is getting a new Psychologist. Lots of evaluation going on, but it all seems oddly being stepped around. No one wants to actually do anything directly. Odd, the military is usually more direct.

Native American spirits as the neutral party.

Too bad about Iron Dragon, I was hoping he was going to be more Lord Paramounty. Apparently Iron Dragon hasn't heard about wars and Asia.

Sir Lee wrote:

mhalpern wrote: The telepath at the military hospital is related to an officially "late" Whatelely range instructor, I get the feeling that this "Butcher's Row" event that took down the Goodkinds' power has to do with a certain "doctor" employed in their genetic research labs, but it seems that Saros picked up the pieces,

No, Butcher's Row happened sometime BEFORE Gen1. It apparently is not general knowledge, but enough people in the military know of it. Caitlin Bardue mentioned it at some point during "Call the Thunder."

My guess? The U.S. military caught the MCO doing something highly illegal and unethical to mutants -- perhaps unauthorized experiments, perhaps outright extermination -- but somehow the whole thing was swept under the rug. Maybe they didn't have enough evidence to go public with it; maybe it came up in the context of some classified military op, and they couldn't publicize it without revealing the classified op; maybe upper-level politics put a lid on it. Regardless, people in the military know enough to have an enormous hate-on towards the MCO.

Now, about the Goodkinds... whatever put them out of the antimutant game, it was some other thing. It might be related to Nimbus' plans towards David Goodkind; it might be due to something Ayla did. We simply don't know enough.

Katssun wrote: I'd lean more toward Ayla succeeded in putting his family out of business, or swallowing their holdings to the point that his psycho relatives could no longer fund the MCO.

The bigger question is, based on the feedback that MageOhki requested about part one, asking about more background, to which we of course say, "Yes please!" how much of this was brand new and written in the last four weeks!? Wow.

- Who is Jericho's wife?
- Are the Class X worshippers, Mikaboshi, and the Hand of Shadow all one group, or separate? Tsukiyomi? Orochi?
- The Dojo of Shadows is Japan's equivalent to Whateley, no? Except that instead of the goal of integrating mutants
into society, as Carson promotes, Japan apparently turns them into ninjas!

- Raven, and Coyote and Amaterasu have history! Implying that many of The People's origin myths involved the Japanese gods as the unnamed figures. Loved these subtle references!

So, Amaterasu turned Daniel into a lot more than her Paladin because of the burnout and power capacity issues. She turned Hikaru into her mortal avatar as much as her mutant one. Very interesting...

When can we expect to see Hikaru and Tia making mochi? September 15th came and went for many of the others.
[crosses fingers for a Melville-Only moon party]

MageOhki wrote:

When can we expect to see Hikaru and Tia making mochi? September 15th came and went for many of the others.
[crosses fingers for a Melville-Only moon party]

... "Moon."
What is Hikaru again?

MageOhki wrote:

Valentine wrote: Lots of hints as to how things have changed between Gen 1 & 2. Somewhere along the line the Goodkinds got out of funding the Mutant hating business. And Mr. Saros took over. (I think I would have used a different name.) More from the mysterious Sidewinder Holdings, including that they have lots of dollars. And an equally mysterious Mrs. Turner... Along with a not yet disappeared Lord Paramount. Mr. Saros might have a tough fight against a couple billion in the pocket, and some potentially famous instructors.

I am wondering how the military/government kept the Japanese at bay for over a month. But finally Dan awakens. He takes the changes quite well, of course he was warned. I guess Nome is getting a new Psychologist. Lots of evaluation going on, but it all seems oddly being stepped around. No one wants to actually do anything directly. Odd, the military is usually more direct.

"We learned burecratic tricks very well." Kako: "Dammit. Why did you have to import THAT!"
First: a psych eval in the military when it's known by the target is a bad idea. So they're trying it to get a better baseline. Psych is an area (see Glimpses) that's tainted in the military. Or was.
Second: I didn't want to write a whole 20,000 words on one frigging scene handling the security debrief.

Too bad about Iron Dragon, I was hoping he was going to be more Lord Paramounty. Apparently Iron Dragon hasn't heard about wars and Asia.

MacA's quote only applies to the US, and other Western Nations, or so ID thinks.
And... well, Iron Dragon WAY WAY back, was clearly an Han supremist, and a fan of Classical Middle Kindgom power. See the G1/Y1 Halloween aftermath.
NO one who read that plan (G1 group) had one bit of complaint with it. Nada, period.

Valentine wrote: Snips for snippiness.

MageOhki wrote:

Valentine wrote: Lots of hints as to how things have changed between Gen 1 & 2. Somewhere along the line the Goodkinds got out of funding the Mutant hating business. And Mr. Saros took over. (I think I would have used a different name.) More from the mysterious Sidewinder Holdings, including that they have lots of dollars. And an equally mysterious Mrs. Turner... Along with a not yet disappeared Lord Paramount. Mr. Saros might have a tough fight against a couple billion in the pocket, and some potentially famous instructors.

I am wondering how the military/government kept the Japanese at bay for over a month. But finally Dan awakens. He takes the changes quite well, of course he was warned. I guess Nome is getting a new Psychologist. Lots of evaluation going on, but it all seems oddly being stepped around. No one wants to actually do anything directly. Odd, the military is usually more direct.

"We learned burecratic tricks very well." Kako: "Dammit. Why did you have to import THAT!"
First: a psych eval in the military when it's known by the target is a bad idea. So they're trying it to get a better baseline. Psych is an area (see Glimpses) that's tainted in the military. Or was.
Second: I didn't want to write a whole 20,000 words on one frigging scene handling the security debrief.

I don't want to read 20,000 words on the security debrief, but I meant the whole testing, psych evals, mutant abilities, physical changes. It just came across as everyone in charge dancing around the stuff instead of just ordering it done.

MageOhki wrote: Naaa...
"Sudden onset of a previously unknown paranormal power by Military personnel, previous or current, 3rd Revision"

MageOhki wrote: Medical is a form of retirement. And officer status gets weird, anyways.

Eh, was making a joke mostly about the regulation name, but the point is: Army doesn't use mutant, not really. Somewhat intentionally, somewhat not. They'd tend to lump all the powered regardless of source into one term. Makes life easier.

Otherself wrote:

MageOhki wrote: Medical is a form of retirement. And officer status gets weird, anyways.

Eh, was making a joke mostly about the regulation name, but the point is: Army doesn't use mutant, not really. Somewhat intentionally, somewhat not. They'd tend to lump all the powered regardless of source into one term. Makes life easier.

What would this term be?

Is it those 'Operators' Daniel talked about?

Hardric wrote: or just how many not sociopathic members are left inside the MCO (thinking about Absinthe, for instance). Can't wait to read more of this story and G2.

True, she might be an assassin for Nikki!

annachie wrote: The spirit interactions felt very Shadowrun to me.

Am I the only one to think that?

MageOhki wrote: 2: However, she's not a complete bitch
3: Remember, she considers the Myoujin as much her descendants as she thinks of the imperial family as such. Which... isn't always for the best mind you, given she'd expect MORE of them.

Katssun wrote: Plus, her "oops" remarks when she makes Hikaru enter a burnout state by overdoing things is quite humanizing.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: The incident where she has a college student put herself in harms way in order to get Daniel to agree is worth noting. Clearly manipulative, there. On the other hand, it allows Daniel to accept the mantle in a relatively safe and controlled environment, which considering the subsequent burnout and attempted assassinations was probably necessary to his survival.

Katssun wrote:

MageOhki wrote: 2: However, she's not a complete bitch
3: Remember, she considers the Myoujin as much her descendants as she thinks of the imperial family as such. Which... isn't always for the best mind you, given she'd expect MORE of them.

Personally, of what you've shown us so far, Ammy is actually quite nice and nurturing to her charge in comparison to a number of the other Avatars across the two generations.

Insistent perhaps, but she doesn't come off as selfishly impatient/foolhardy as Walkie Talkie with her agenda, as harsh and domineering as Ungabunga was, or anything remotely like the New Olympians.

She seems to have recognized that Daniel has suffered, and wants to have Hikaru have a better time of it in round 2, in the course of her duties.

Plus, her "oops" remarks when she makes Hikaru enter a burnout state by overdoing things is quite humanizing.

Esar wrote: There is also the fact that her host is not a child, so her manipulation does not have the same connotation.

Dreamer wrote:

Katssun wrote: Plus, her "oops" remarks when she makes Hikaru enter a burnout state by overdoing things is quite humanizing.

If Amaterasu ever says the word "oops", minimum safe distance will be in orbit around Jupiter at least.

MageOhki wrote:

Dreamer wrote:

Katssun wrote: Plus, her "oops" remarks when she makes Hikaru enter a burnout state by overdoing things is quite humanizing.

If Amaterasu ever says the word "oops", minimum safe distance will be in orbit around Jupiter at least.

>> Now, you'd think she'd accidently fry earth? Please. She has a bit of control. Venus, at most.

Sir Lee wrote: I think what MageOhki meant is that "Amaterasu will at most fry Venus, not Earth."

Rises the Sun (Part 3) wrote: *Exactly why can't I cut it?*

*Besides the fact it’ll grow back in under a month?* Amaterasu was amused.

Valentine wrote: So if Eric is Hijacker I, is Miranda Hijacker II?

Iwasforger03 wrote: I think it's the reverse. I read it as a reference to Phase's glasses that blocked out the worst of Jericho's clothing clash choices.

Katssun wrote: Then we finally find out more about the...other Nazis. Vanguard. I think a separate thread might be more appropriate.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Is the military jargon going to die down in the future stories? You've been providing enough context to keep it mostly comprehensible, but it's been throwing me out the story a bit.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: What I find interesting is that Vanguard appeared in this story at all, considering that I can't recall any indication that they are interested in Hikaru.

Sir Lee wrote: ...and the message from the Yama Dojo soke suggesting that they are prepared to inflict a similar prank on Whateley, only painting everything pink.

reist wrote: So...all this time I thought Hikaru's codename was o-kami (short O, lady of the house or Empress), it was ookami (long O, wolf)?
/bangs-head-on-desk

Iwasforger03 wrote: Oh yeah, Patton. So is this the son/grandson of the famed George S. Patton?

Or was meeting those Outcasts and getting some newbies killed ‘cause you all didn’t have enough extra firepower fun?”

JG wrote: My fingerprints?

Katssun wrote:

JG wrote: My fingerprints?

Perhaps you left on StickyKeys?

JG wrote:

Iwasforger03 wrote:

Katssun wrote:

JG wrote: My fingerprints?

Perhaps you left on StickyKeys?

Signs of your ideas, characters, personality, expertise, and assistance can be found all over these stories. Starting with little Hijacker 2 aka Lieutenant Mahren. Actually, probably sooner but I'm too lazy to go look just yet.

Like a general admonishing his subordinate to always keep antacids on hand?

MageOhki wrote: I do make a comment that Tyson's _pay_ grade is Warrant 3, on retirement.

Part of it, is some discussions on how do you handle those mutants with extended lifespans.... which boils down to "slower promotions/specialist/etal" type stunts. The other part was a expansion of Warrant ranks and concepts, to cover the situation. JG's right, in the sense that Tyson didn't want to be a commissioned officer, and was TOO OLD (even physically) to become one, when the whole situation came out. Would you want to be a 2nd or 1st Lt, or oh, a Command Sgt Major?

Choose~

jennysass wrote:

MageOhki wrote: Naaa...

Not so sure about that. I'm not super familiar with army negs, but NavAdmins specifically delineate active, reserve, separates, retirees and any other class of personnel. In a lot of cases the instructions are functionally identical, but there's going to be a different one for each person.

Which brings up another question: is Dan retired or separated? Pretty sure you've gotta do 20 years to retire, and with Dan at 38 and a former officer (and having been out for a few years) the time line doesn't match up.

I'm fairly sure he was medically retired. Not necessary to finish 20 years to have that happen.

Anne wrote: I'm fairly sure he was medically retired. Not necessary to finish 20 years to have that happen.

Valentine wrote:

Anne wrote: I'm fairly sure he was medically retired. Not necessary to finish 20 years to have that happen.

I was medically retired after only 2 years 4 months.

deep within the earth, there is a pool of darkness and cold which is not merely a lack of light and heat, but is a substance unto itself, with powers and properties all its own. WHY geologists know nothing of it, I neither know nor care. I know of it as the Erebos, but it has some name, some reference in almost every culture of the Earth. [...] the Japanese call it 'Mikaboshi' and I assume that the Aztecs had some gobbledygook name for it as well.," she added with a snook at Brujah. "The Erebos is a place of profound magical power. Some called it a Titan of Primordial Darkness, others the Father of Night, others a nation of spirits of darkness, and others simply label it a font of primal Chthonic essence.