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8 years 2 weeks ago #1 by Yolandria
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  • Another 2nd Gen story for our viewing pleasure.

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    8 years 2 weeks ago - 8 years 2 weeks ago #2 by Malady
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  • Sidewinder Industries... Who is the founder??

    This is so sweet! A nice romance thing! Awww!

    Woah. They changed the Mutant Policing Landscape like Wow. ... And I guess they have a massive techboost from that legalness...

    Founded by a Kimbette? I wanna say Jadis, but likely not? We've already seen her as Frost...

    ... So, he can't shift back to normal? ... Is that because he's trying to be pure Himself, or what? ... There's some kind of Form Cooldown, like being unable to be a Centaur for 1 hour after already being one... Reminds me of Jade and how her Form abilities changed after her things with Tool...

    “Don’t you play stupid with me, you asshole! You were the one calling me out for being a dyke in the tunnels two nights ago!”

    Adam looked over at Everhart. “So do you wanna tell her that she’s lying because I was in an MCO lockup two nights ago, or shall I?”


    That seems like it might be important, if she wasn't lying...

    ... I was expecting him to use the title a bit more... That codename... I sorta get it? Armor? But, totally doesn't fit too well?

    So much CrushBlush! ... I am a lazy, lazy troper... And am Procrasting on other things... *sigh*...

    Right... Could he do non-human biologies, like replicating a high-level Regen? Or neuro-morphs? Super Dangerous... But still...

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    8 years 2 weeks ago #3 by JG
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  • When I get back to him, you'll see why the codename fits.
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  • Malady wrote: Sidewinder Industries... Who is the founder??

    Guesses at Sidewinder Founder:

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    Also, yes! They are so cute together.

    My only issue is that they give me an early Phase and Vox vibe. I predict trouble for our dear Adam's lovelife.

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  • Here's a hint: Angela is not an SO for anyone.

    She is... a four year old child.
    8 years 2 weeks ago #6 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • I thought who was funding Adam's education was pretty straightforward, I mean the name hasn't been stated, but how many friends does his brother have that fit the bill?
    8 years 2 weeks ago #7 by Valentine
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  • Hmmmm, two Angela's in the Wiki along with an Angie.

    Angela number 1 Angela Holligberry assistant(?) House Parent of Whitman
    Angela number 2 Angela Merenis Instructor in the Advanced Technologies Program
    Angie is Freight Train

    Ninja'd by JG. But I'm guessing she's sitting on her Mama's lap there at the end.

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    8 years 2 weeks ago #8 by Yolandria
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  • So what do we know...Adams sponsor is a woman, Whateley grad, had connections to possible Phase or one of the other golden kids. Sidewinder in the name. Sidewinders are common names to rattlesnakes. Sandra and Monica are from Texas... They specialize in Medical and Search and Recovery. Jericho probably runs TMI. Noms probably runs one of the SaR Companies. Only thing i can think of...Out of the 3 girls capable of having kids i would have to say Janine is the primary suspect at this point.

    Lots to think about. Glad to see OC 2.0!!!

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  • Valentine wrote: Hmmmm, two Angela's in the Wiki along with an Angie.

    Angela number 1 Angela Holligberry assistant(?) House Parent of Whitman
    Angela number 2 Angela Merenis Instructor in the Advanced Technologies Program
    Angie is Freight Train

    Ninja'd by JG. But I'm guessing she's sitting on her Mama's lap there at the end.

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    I agree with your assessment on Sidewinder, On a related note each of today's stories have at least runner up quotes for my best list.

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    8 years 2 weeks ago #10 by Yolandria
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  • Taking down the KoP. Was it staged? Or was it an accident? How many of OC have DFA on their MID's? Razor,Cait. If memory serves. So which one of those two was crossing the street?

    Things that make you go hmmmm...

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  • I, too, first jumped to the obvious for the founder of Sidewinder. On the other hand, JG is being intentionally cryptic, which makes me suspect a red herring. I really, really hope that it's her, because that means she has a kid.

    Also, JG's use of tenses is making me confused and a bit nervous.

    You should hear my Aunt Sandra belt out the songs, she was amazing when she was able to do it.

    "Should" implies that Sandra still sings. "Was able" implies that she no longer can. Maybe she's just busy? *hopes really hard*

    Dawn and Adam together are really adorable.

    Toison... *looks it up* means fleece. Does that make Dawn the Golden Fleece? It's a good thing the Olympians are gone. :D

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    8 years 2 weeks ago #12 by Valentine
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  • Yolandria wrote: Taking down the KoP. Was it staged? Or was it an accident? How many of OC have DFA on their MID's? Razor,Cait. If memory serves. So which one of those two was crossing the street?

    Things that make you go hmmmm...


    Razorback's is legally assigned.

    My guess is Eldritch, and she did it deliberately.

    I wonder if Adam will introduce Red to Aunt Bardue.

    I love the spell they put on the table, and that Adam is the only one that can get into Outcast's Corner under Hawthorne.

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    8 years 2 weeks ago #13 by null0trooper
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  • He nodded. “And the rumors are true, if it isn’t cattle or a ‘roo, it’s trying to kill you.” He paused a second, “actually I’m not so sure about the Kangas and cattle.”


    2000-2010 :
    Death by cattle: 33 (16 from auto accidents)
    Death by roo: 18 (most from auto accidents)
    Death by emu: 5

    Death by critter:
    Australia (2000 to 2010): 137
    Florida (1999 to 2013) : 171
    Florida, adjusted for 19.89M vs. 23.13M population, 14 yr vs 10 yr data collection: 142

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    8 years 2 weeks ago #14 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • That doesn't mean Australia is less dangerous than Florida. That just means that Aussies are smarter than Florida Man .

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  • <3 Bacon (duh)

    RIP, Lambchop .

    I wonder how often "The MCO ate my homework" comes up at Whateley.

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  • JG has a definite talent for the tantalizing clue without actually giving us anything solid when it comes to 2nd Gen.
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  • Dreamer wrote: All the clues could also point to Jade, if she somehow fixed her stuck BIT and is physically grown up now thus could have a daughter that young.

    Nobody ever specified that she's a biodaughter. Could be adopted or a clone. And Jade is the girl who pretended to be her own dead sister so that she could double-enroll. I can totally see her pretending to be her own daughter, whether to fuck with people or just because she's that desperate.

    I don't think this is Jade, though. Lots of other people she could be. My guess? Roulette.

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  • Adam has big shoes to fill and I think he is succeeding quite well. What I think I like the most regarding the Gen2 project is that we already have a lot of PoVs from really different characters hanging with very different crowds.

    The swimmingpool scene was really interesting and him getting romantically involved in his first story was nice too. They make a nice couple and you had a lot of awesome exchanges in this one.

    (and I know putting label on people like that can be at the very least awkward but he seems rather genderfluid and bisexual from some of his comment ?)

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Also, JG's use of tenses is making me confused and a bit nervous.

    You should hear my Aunt Sandra belt out the songs, she was amazing when she was able to do it.

    "Should" implies that Sandra still sings. "Was able" implies that she no longer can. Maybe she's just busy? *hopes really hard*

    Dawn and Adam together are really adorable.

    Toison... *looks it up* means fleece. Does that make Dawn the Golden Fleece? It's a good thing the Olympians are gone. :D

    JG's past tense usage is making me nervous. Sandra and Monica given past tense, while Janine, Jericho, Cait (obviously since she's instructing again), and Razor are all referred to in the present tense. I hope it is just JG messing with us.

    Dawn has showed up before in Tanya's POV story before. Their little budding romance is so cute! I loved the line from one of the others that they 'so hate her right now.'
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  • Sidewinder sounds like it's named for Sandra, so lets say Psydoe is the person who Adam speaks to.
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  • Esar wrote: (and I know putting label on people like that can be at the very least awkward but he seems rather genderfluid and bisexual from some of his comment ?)

    I'd say pansexual (or at least panromantic) rather than bisexual, but admittedly the line is rather blurry.

    As for gender, I'd say that a genderfluid shifter is going to shift their body to match their current gender identity, whereas Adam's gender identity shifts to match his current body. (Which is really a much better metaphor for fluid behavior than genderfluid is, but whatever). Really though, I'd say that Adam's gender identity is 'irrelevant'. He doesn't care about the genders of those he interacts with, and he doesn't care about his own gender either.

    He clearly put 'male' down on his form, otherwise he'd be in Poe or Melville. On the other hand, as a mutant who can pass for normal but doesn't blink twice at even the worst GSD, the school really benefits from having him in Twain (or Whitman were he a she), so I could see them passing over a bit of gender swapping to make that happen.

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    8 years 1 week ago - 8 years 1 week ago #23 by Mister D
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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Esar wrote: (and I know putting label on people like that can be at the very least awkward but he seems rather genderfluid and bisexual from some of his comment ?)

    I'd say pansexual (or at least panromantic) rather than bisexual, but admittedly the line is rather blurry.

    As for gender, I'd say that a genderfluid shifter is going to shift their body to match their current gender identity, whereas Adam's gender identity shifts to match his current body. (Which is really a much better metaphor for fluid behavior than genderfluid is, but whatever). Really though, I'd say that Adam's gender identity is 'irrelevant'. He doesn't care about the genders of those he interacts with, and he doesn't care about his own gender either.

    He clearly put 'male' down on his form, otherwise he'd be in Poe or Melville. On the other hand, as a mutant who can pass for normal but doesn't blink twice at even the worst GSD, the school really benefits from having him in Twain (or Whitman were he a she), so I could see them passing over a bit of gender swapping to make that happen.


    Ha! Someone else posted on this before i did.

    What about the relationship with other species?

    If he takes the form of another animal, and lives as that animal for a while, "just for the understanding and the experience", then he'd start to look at animals of the same species as being potential partners. Think Constable Odo from DS9.

    An interesting theme to explore, would be Adam meeting with some of the local Weres. They be interested in meeting him anyway, as he's kin to one of their pack-mates. (Sort of...)

    They would have a different perspective that Adam would learn from. They are also some of the few sapient's that would understand the experiences of having different sense organs. Might be some auxiliary TA's for the shifter classes. Also, some of them are the grounds staff, so he'd meet them at some point.

    Also, would Razor have told him to "Say Hi from me if you meet so-and-so..."?


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  • If we are discussing Adam's gender I think he's (because it appears to be the prefered pronoun in general) either somewhere between grey gender and agender or he's pangender. Which as the labels go (as far as I understand, I'm no expert on these, I've just done research to help figure myself out and none of these really fit) are doesn't care about gender, doesn't have a gender, and is all genders all the time.

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  • Mister D wrote: An interesting theme to explore, would be Adam meeting with some of the local Weres. They be interested in meeting him anyway, as he's kin to one of their pack-mates. (Sort of...)


    Good point. That even adds a few candidates to the betting pool for Adam's sponsor.

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  • 8 years 1 week ago - 8 years 1 week ago #28 by Yolandria
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  • Actually after re reading the story for the 4th time already. It's pretty clear Adam's sponser is one of the OC girls.
    Which one...hard to say.

    Unfortunately, she had been on her way out to go help someone “Remember why Whateley neutrality was important.” Given the look in her eye, he didn’t really want to know, but it had involved two of her sisters teaching the lesson with her.


    Mentions the 3 girls going out to take care of business. My guess is Sponser + Cait + Noms.

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  • After reading this found one part that might be telling!

    The KoP being disbanded!

    That might mean that the Goodkinds minus Ayla might be in financial trouble?
    Maybe the crash of 2008 hit them hard and Ayla made out like a bandit and scooped up stock at bargain rates!

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  • Malady wrote: WMG: Sidewinder Founder is Tansy.


    Tansy wouldn't have needed the "tutoring" on the power of finances and lawyers.


    I wonder how "deep" his changes go. If I understood the shifting class bit, his body will automatically create the necessary biological adaptions for his new form. So as a centaur, he creates a new second heart and lungs, and whatever else is needed to stay alive. When he became female, he was fully functional as a girl, including the possibility of getting pregnant. But does his DNA change? When he became female, did his DNA swap over to XX from XY? When he becomes those hybrid forms, is his DNA still human?

    As for his gender, I would say he is pangender or something along those lines. He just doesn't really pay attention to what it is, because it doesn't matter what it is to him, the same with his sexuality and sex. He just doesn't seem to care. He isn't asexual, agender, or neuter, those things (sexuality, gender, and sex) do have meaning to him.

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Dawn and Adam together are really adorable.

    Toison... *looks it up* means fleece. Does that make Dawn the Golden Fleece? It's a good thing the Olympians are gone. :D


    I'll admit, the mythical Golden Fleece was a strong influence on my initial development process for Dawn. She went through several phases of development before I settled on who/what she is now though, and really the only significant elements that carried over are her codename, her blond hair, and her affinity for healing magic. She's certainly not THE Golden Fleece, though yes, I'd imagine it would take quite a bit of work to convince the Olympians of that fact. ;)

    And I'm glad everyone seems to really like the interaction between Dawn and Adam. It's certainly been a treat for me, getting to work with JG to see how that relationship would play out in this story and in stories to come.

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  • I wouldn't try to characterize Adam's gender using any of the terms bandied about in this thread as we haven't really seen how Adam "feels" during a gender swap. Does he feel feminine in a female form? We don't know. It is entirely possible that Adam is simply male and when he is physically female, he is a man in a female suit. Just like when he is a centaur, he's thinks of himself as a human in a centaur suit. Or a human with gills, etc.

    Further stories may make it more clear whether Adam takes on female gender when female.
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  • There is some curiosity as far as being a girl goes. At least it's mentioned.

    Adam laughed. It was too easy to kind of fall into it, and “Drop-Bear” was funny, and handsome in his own right. She found herself wondering what it would have been like to have enrolled as a girl.


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  • 'Pangender'?

    He sexually identifies as a skillet?
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  • Bek D Corbin wrote: 'Pangender'?

    He sexually identifies as a skillet?


    Lauren Southern of Rebel Media identifies as an Attack Helicopter, so...

    :evil:

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  • Bek D Corbin wrote: 'Pangender'?

    He sexually identifies as a skillet?


    He sizzles.

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  • He sizzles.


    That's Bacon + pan. = Yummies...:twisted:

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  • Bek D Corbin wrote: 'Pangender'?

    He sexually identifies as a skillet?


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  • You people and your labels.

    I'll leave Adam's proclivities to be spoken by his actions.
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  • Well, he's rather close to being an actual "Pan"-sexual, as in the Greek god Pan . Only instead of having the hots for a goat-legged guy, he has the hots for the sheep-legged girl.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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  • Bek D Corbin wrote: 'Pangender'?

    He sexually identifies as a skillet?

    I bet a lot of kids at Whateley identify with Skillet.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: Well, he's rather close to being an actual "Pan"-sexual, as in the Greek god Pan . Only instead of having the hots for a goat-legged guy, he has the hots for the sheep-legged girl.


    Which brings up a rather interesting question - when all you have are the legs, how do you tell the difference between sheep legs and goat legs?

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  • Good point -- sheep and goats are closely related and can sometimes even crossbreed (but the issue is always sterile).
    Well, she has horns. I assume that an expert could tell if they resemble sheep horns more than goat horns.

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  • Adam looked at the kids debating sheep or goats with an annoyed glare. "They're fuckin' gorgeous, now shut it! Bloody gits always gotta comment and make the girls feel self-conscious." He wandered away, grumbling.
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  • Does Adam remember his older sister, as opposed to his older dinosaurian brother?

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  • JG wrote: That... would be telling. But he would have been in diapers still when Erin Carlyle went missing. Jack spent quite a lot of time feral in the outback near Darwin.


    So its possible if he got a mental package and his long term memory was starting to develop before Erin went missing

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  • I'd think the chances are good that the Carlyles took pictures of Erin now and then (birthdays, holidays, embarassing moments), which may be sitting in a photo album or two. Whether they'd still be displayed later would likely depend on how Jack feels about it. Adam might know what Erin looked like, but how many folks care about what their older siblings used to look like unless there's an awesome potential for blackmail?

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Manifestation doesn't happen until puberty. Babyhood would be very early indeed for any mental traits to manifest.

    I am referring to improved recal retroactively, which is something that is established in mutant mental packages, humans technically dont forget anything once our long term memory forms, amnesia asside we just loose the ability to recal it, if someone's recall gets a boost, then they should be able to recal things that they previously couldn't

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    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Manifestation doesn't happen until puberty. Babyhood would be very early indeed for any mental traits to manifest.

    I am referring to improved recal retroactively, which is something that is established in mutant mental packages, humans technically dont forget anything once our long term memory forms, amnesia asside we just loose the ability to recal it, if someone's recall gets a boost, then they should be able to recal things that they previously couldn't


    True "long term memory" is dependent on a number of brain functions, particularly those of the hippocampus and the frontoparietal regions, which take some years to develop. Given the hinted-at timeline, chances are that Adam has no distinctive long term memories of Erin per se, but might have a fragmentary memory that Jack somehow looked different at some point.
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  • Adam views it as academic. His parents knew Erin.

    He knows Jack. He grew up with a Brothersaurus Rex and thats shaped his view of his brother more than anything else.
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  • A little late to the party, but if anything I'd say Adam "goes on to describe his gender identity as non-committal shrug" .

    I definitely love teenage Adam as a character. Very cool guy, and his budding romance with Dawn is adorable. It was an enjoying read, but I'm not entirely sure somebody else didn't write the majority of it in JG's name. Aside from a few scenes with the language and the drowning, it's entirely too pleasant! :-p

    I'm looking forward to seeing a whole lot of saurian jokes and Dinotopia references in future, possibly. "Breathe deep, seek peace" in particular seems rather appropriate.

    Excellent work, and I'll be impatiently awaiting more.

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  • I just finished it and... and... SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Dawn is adorable and I am so happy for Adam. SO happy. Adam is awesome and I am going to have so much fun with him on campus, but he is going to get in so much trouble. Dawn will be a good influence on that though.

    I really do think Sidewinder holdings could be Diamondback, but my worry is the line at the end. Would Diamondback have a lap for her daughter to sit on?

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  • Iwasforger03 wrote: I really do think Sidewinder holdings could be Diamondback, but my worry is the line at the end. Would Diamondback have a lap for her daughter to sit on?

    If she can bend that way, sure. A lap is a lap, whether it's made out of upper leg or the base of a tail. It's just a question of whether she can still bend in such a way as to present that part of her tail as a sittable surface. If not, she could still sit in a coiled position and call whatever part of her tail ends up in front a lap.

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  • Hmmmm I can't think of any other member of the Outcasts who could be in charge of "Sidewinder" holdings. In terms of pure smarts, Diamond makes the most sense. That said, I can imagine Jericho marrying any of the three non-Caitlyn females, even if I do still ship him with Jadis.

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  • I don't think Jericho would /could marry any of his sisters. Even though they are not blood in origin they might as well be due to their blood brother bond. However. Jericho could easily have his pick of the girls once he stopped the " Fools charade" and got down to putting his energy into actively looking for a serious relationship. And on that note...I like Tennyo and Jericho. They would make a great couple.

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  • Hmmmmm yeah, I can see that might be an issue. It also might NOT, since they aren't blood related. We can't say for certain, only JG has that power.

    Still... other than my favorite Jadis... who would you lay bets on for the Identity of a possible Mrs. Turner, wife of one Joe Turner? A Mrs. Turner was mentioned in Rises the Sun in almost the same breath as Sidewinder Holdings, but we have no guarantee it's his wife, that just seems the simplest explanation. So it's still only theoretical that the mentioned Mrs. Turner has anything to do with Sidewinder or Jericho. I think.

    Jadis seems unlikely, much as it breaks my heart. Which leaves... I'm not really sure.

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  • It just occured to me... I think over half of Outcast Corner had a "Deadly Force Pre-Authorized" on their MID... what if that whole lawsuit against the Knights of Purity was a deliberate setup. They deliberately jay-walked in front of them as part of a plan to create the necessary legal pretense for suing them into oblivion and beyond?

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  • Would Caitlin or Razorback do that?

    Remember though, Razorback's is legally on his MID, and he neither disputes it nor wants it removed. He knows how dangerous he is and what a threat he is. Also he knows that it is unlikely that anyone would stop him.

    But since both of them are Ragers,I doubt it was them or Noms or Dimes. Likely a friend did it, and it was intentional.

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  • Nikki is probably the best face for an anti-DFA campaign among the students we know about. She can play the innocent scared little girl much better than Razorback or Caitlyn can. And being hot is unlikely to hurt her case.

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  • Between her insane hotness (even gay guys and straight girls are affected by it) and her "protect the princess" glamour, I somehow don't see a jury trial going well for the other side...
    OK, she might have to turn off the glamour in order to not be accused of manipulating the jury. And the judge. And the lawyers, including the ones on the MCO side... but she CAN'T turn off her hotness. I mean, even if she attempts to play it down, the best she can do would be... well... "sexy librarian."

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  • Here's the list of known students with DFAs in Gen 1 care of JG in Call the Thunder part 6:

    Eldritch, Razorback, Tennyo, Fey, Carmilla, Imperious, Counterpoint, Stormwolf, and about a dozen other kids were tagged with the Deadly Force classification.

    Carmilla, assuming she's rescued, would probably be a bad choice.
    Imperious and Counterpoint wouldn't work, their attitudes are too off.
    Stormwolf would probably be bad for it too.

    Tennyo might work, as shy as she is. The nigh indestructibility helps too.

    But the question is, when the MCO office was raided did that get their MID's changed?

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  • And the Sioux Falls office TRIED to put a DFA tag on Kayda's as well. There could be a lot more that we haven't written or talked about.

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  • Supposedly the legal paperwork/bureaucracy for getting an MID changed, even with a court order, would take years. Basically, the MCO would drag its feet, and with goodkind backing and lawyers, they could manage to hold off on actually getting those illegal DFAs removed for years.

    Which would work heavily in Sidewinder's favor when they used this, because if the mutant in question was (almost certainly) tagged with a DFA illegally that's just all the more massive grounds for ripping the KoP a new one.

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  • My money is on Sidewinder being Jade's company. It would be rather disingenuous of GJ to have Adam refer to one of his Aunts only as his sponsor, rather than his aunt. The other factor is that his sponsor has more than two sisters, which fits the J Team rather well.
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  • konzill wrote: My money is on Sidewinder being Jade's company. It would be rather disingenuous of GJ to have Adam refer to one of his Aunts only as his sponsor, rather than his aunt. The other factor is that his sponsor has more than two sisters, which fits the J Team rather well.


    Though they weren't thinking of Baby Hijacker at the time, after events in " Blood-Sister, Blood-Brother ", Janice, Sandra, Monica, Caitlin, and Miranda are all sisters, as they and Adam would see it.

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  • Now that I've thought about it a bit I have a prediction. The way Adam is broadcasting his relationship to Razorback and his general overconfidence is going to come back and bite him. Sooner or later some of the current crop of Ultra Violent students are going to notice and decide that he is a valid target. Either because they want to prove that they could have taken on Razorback, or to teach the little punk that he is no Razorback.

    Trying to live up to his brother's reputation seems to be the biggest Chip on Adam's shoulder. I fully expect Dawne to be giving him a stop picking fights you idiots speech at some point in future stories.

    Also, he is yet another character who is now on the Amazon's shit list, further cementing the fact that they are current big bad among the students. Honestly, evil lesbians was not a place I was expecting the Whateley authors to go.
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  • As for DimondBack, she is alive but something bad definitely happened to her. Note that not only does Adam suggest that she can no longer sing, but he also tells Dawn: "My Aunt Sandra would have loved you" So I'm guessing that she is alive but no longer capable of normal human interaction. One possibility is Chimerical Trait Acquisition turning her into a giant snake. Alternatively, it has been mentioned that the original Ryan personality was still in there somewhere and it's possible that something happened to the Sandra part of her mind, only leaving Ryan behind.

    Adam also says that his Aunt Noms used to have six arms, which seems to suggest that she does not have six arms anymore. Could it be that whatever spirit is using Noms has achieved its objective and moved on? Thereby allowing her to rever to a more normal appearance, though presumably still female.
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  • Valentine wrote:

    Malady wrote: WMG: Sidewinder Founder is Tansy.


    Tansy wouldn't have needed the "tutoring" on the power of finances and lawyers.


    I wonder how "deep" his changes go. If I understood the shifting class bit, his body will automatically create the necessary biological adaptions for his new form. So as a centaur, he creates a new second heart and lungs, and whatever else is needed to stay alive. When he became female, he was fully functional as a girl, including the possibility of getting pregnant. But does his DNA change? When he became female, did his DNA swap over to XX from XY? When he becomes those hybrid forms, is his DNA still human?

    As for his gender, I would say he is pangender or something along those lines. He just doesn't really pay attention to what it is, because it doesn't matter what it is to him, the same with his sexuality and sex. He just doesn't seem to care. He isn't asexual, agender, or neuter, those things (sexuality, gender, and sex) do have meaning to him.

    I wouldn't call Adam neuter, because he is very interested in girls in particular. But he is not particular whether or not he is wearing the male gender at the time, and he seems to be hetrosexual in his orientation, no matter what gender he wears, so if he is a girl for very long he starts looking at boys... Pansexual fits more than neuter, which would have no interest in sex which he definitely doesn't fit, because he is interested in sex, no matter what gender he wears.
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  • Let's see, we know that Tansy is playing Lanie from The Haunting of Jennifer Kelly, so any guesses that Tansy is the big noise at Sidewinder is off. So, Sandra (aka Diamondback)? That still scans quite well, though I'm going to take a guess that Jericho and his dealing with Ayla taught the lot of them about lawyers and finances. Joe (Jericho) was well on his way to gaining a small fortune due to some of his gadgets the last time we saw him interacting with Ayla, so I can imagine that the two of them formed a company for Joe.
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