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Question Sunshine and Fury
- Iwasforger03
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Heart with J + D in it.
Joe/Jericho or Jack + Deimos or Diamondback? Heck, it could be Jerich/Diamond AND Jack/Deimos (or flipped a bit).
I'd say we just narrowed, very very slightly, the field of potential shipping and confirmed that romance CAN blossom between the Outcasts.
On chaka - I think Okami just doesn't know Chaka is Toni's codename, but she probably DOES know who Toni is...
And... did they just rescue a girl from the MCO or from hell? Or both at once? I really want to learn more about what the HELL that was about at the end there.
I am a Sexy Shoeless God of War - So suck it CP!
Dice/Hollow#1
Dice/HollowDiscuss
- Malady
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That ending! Like what? Who's that new person? ... What's going on with Hikaru?
And that plan at the beginning is set up for an arc? Or did it actually conclude during the story?
The purpose of Melville. Very interesting, and explains why Tia was sent there...
We get some info on Energizer biology...
“You’re somewhere at a halfway point physically between an energizer, and a WIZ-trait that doesn’t have a lit well.”
So Unlit Wizes have special biologies too? Adapting to the Ess filled enviro? Turning into a Sidhe-ish??
I wonder how Amateratsu's gonna be once she learns the truth about the object of her ire?
There was some clash between spirit and host! Interesting!
- Iwasforger03
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Was this before or after the burn out that caused her to forget Laura? And I can't tell if she was disparaging Morgan's affectionately or as an insult. If insult, I don't get why she called her that...
I am a Sexy Shoeless God of War - So suck it CP!
Dice/Hollow#1
Dice/HollowDiscuss
- Dreamer
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Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.
Sunshine & Fury comments
Oh boy, Eldritch upset and Tyson telling her she can't kill a man, not so close to Carson disappearing, who could it be. No patience for interdepartmental interference in her job, uh oh, pity this man already.
Okay, scared for the man she is angry at now."You look like a Pict with a mad on to murder a Board of Directors."
Blue eyed, blonde woman and it is Miss Ellison, a mage there to help confirm some things about Hikaru. Dr. Hewley hasn't changed much, still excited to learn new things about mutants and their powers. Magical girl in the Mercury or Saturn style, nice Sailor Moon reference. Fabric that lets in that much of the light spectrum, figures it is from Celica Rogers. Getting a feeling like that from a laser simulating sunlight, interesting.
Bwahahaha, that VI is definitely Caitlin's with that attitude. Couldn't free up Ms. Reilly, in reference to the magic department at Whateley, Nikki is alive and working at Whateley! Or else her brother manifested, became a girl with magical powers, and somehow became a teacher in the past 10 years. Inclined to believe it is Nikki, yay!"Boss! Hey boss! YO BITCH! I HAVE SOMETHING RELEVANT TO YOUR INTERESTS!"
And hearing Ellison volunteered to work with the princess, Caitlin gets involved before Ellison can do any real damage. Obsessed with magical girls, very annoying for someone with actual magical powers. A vortex storm of essence energy ripping out of the area, yikes! Oh crud, sounds like Hikaru is going into burnout, not again!
Whoa, didn't Caitlin learn how to channel her magical energy, the description of what she did to the laser emitter sounds like a spell. And Caitlin able to channel essence into the ground like a lightning rod for both her and Hikaru, incredible. If it wasn't for Caitlin, Hikaru might have died, even then still having to treat her for burnout, they shouldn't do testing without someone skilled in magic and not obsessed with magical girls to monitor things.
Caitlin ripping Ellison and Hewley a new one, from what Amaterasu says is happening. And dang, from what we can 'hear' ourselves, that isn't a new one, that is the riot act dialed up to 20. Noted she glows when near danger, yet Amaterasu didn't say anything, and her answer to that is oops. Great, Amaterasu is like Nikki dialed up to 10 when she goofs.
And Hikaru is going to get chewed out by Caitlin as well. Ellison needing to bone up on basic knowledge she is expected to impart upon her students, how she has this job is beyond me. Calling a Marine NCO in full fury an Oni mostly accurate, heh, I bet Caitlin could scare most Oni. When she recovers Caitlin is going to have Hikaru do push-ups until her shoulders separate, ouch. Having to rely on what Amaterasu saw and remembers since Hikaru doesn't remember most of what happened in testing, dang, memory damage again.
And yikes, magic a deceptively easy road to burnout unless incredibly high WIZ-traits, scary. Ms. Bardue or Caitlin, and might have to help re-light her well, oh boy. And Hikaru not knowing all that about her powers until she got to Whateley, very not good, could complicate things more. And that low a chance of the MCO of every getting ahold of Hikaru's file, would have better odds of winning the lottery 10 times in a row from the sounds of it.
And Caitlin knows the whole story is bullshit, attitude pure N'awlins, heh. Great, only Mrs. Carson knew the person who could suggest they be able to access the correct file.
*groan* All to keep secrets, now she is subjected to more testing. 4.99 burnout in manifestation and level 3 in June, wonder what the scale for burnouts is. 8 hours bed rest and no power usage without direct and immediate supervision for at least 24 hours, ouch. At least Hewley is doing the smart thing now.Full powers-testing, physical, and Psych workup with Wyatt.
Betting the person at school who has the key to Hikaru's full file is Tyson. Burnouts are on a point-five incremental, which would be a 5 and she should be dead, dang. A devise small phone, wonder when Jericho made that for her. Having to call Kako and impress upon them that incomplete files have killed students before. And Caitlin knows what Kurenai is! But Kurenai points out she is registered to the Japanese government and Hikaru, thus not illegal.
And I was right, Tyson is the person with the key to Hikaru's full true file.
Bwahaha, actually scared Kurenai into derezzing and leaving behind 'Understood'. Oh boy, Tyson is in trouble."Moving along, she doesn't ping my data publically again, or I'll show her just how fast I can break her encryption without damaging her and reprogram to look and act like Mister Belvedere. If I can't, I've never tried, you know...I'll call in a favor and have Admiral Everhart do it."
Oh crap, she doesn't remember Tyson, this is horrible, forgetting an old friend like that. And Honorable Oni-Sensei, nice new nickname for Caitlin.

Boy, that is a lot of idiots for her to be dealing with. Kurenai talking to Rissei and the Temple, this is going to be a real pain and Hikaru is going to have to do all the testing isn't she. Criminal Minds, Kurenai has Criminal Minds, please tell me she isn't talking about the TV show. Religious connotations from Caitlin's profile, Agnostic, yet Kurenai says that isn't the problem, *groans*
And Hikaru marked as having WIZ-trait, yet not a WIZ, not even Tyson knows. Check the room for active transmissions, any Cortana grade feed to Kurenai, that Imp VI must be 'fun' to have around. A geas oath to give Le Compete the key, bad idea with Caitlin. An essence transformer and no well of her own, dang, no wonder Hikaru went into burnout. And yikes, the implications are terrifying.
Still with a secrecy oath, even Wyatt did, dang. Rest of the medical and psych data pre the near lethal burnout in New Orleans. All that data they have to clean Caitlin to know and Kako is going to be pissed about this, oh boy. Interesting detail on Japanese magic and how it works. Hope Caitlin can figure out how to light Hikaru's well, sounds like it would lift some of the burden off her. Preset spells, wonder if any other students have had those and it was mistaken for energizer trait as well in the past.
Caitlin would have to build an essence storage location, sounds like a good idea, until you realize how many students would go after it. Essence stored in shrines, just how much is stored at Ise. And Exemplar-4 mental, magic books are easy to get, different from the US for sure. So that is how Caitlin sees a 'well', interesting. And very exciting way of describing lighting Hikaru's well, ignite her own little star inside. Overbearing Empress, flea bitten wild bitch, nagging ex-wife, hehehe, Hikaru is really loving messing with Amaterasu right now.
Off-hours instruction and who'd be best to walk her through all this, tall order. Amaterasu thinking Caitlin needs an education in manners, unwise to call her a myth as if she wasn't real, she will find Caitlin very different from most when dealing with gods and other entities of their sort.
Another hothead, wonder which god Caitlin is referring to.Except Ebisu-onii-sama. He always thwapped me on the head for doing it at random.
Yikes, oath with Caitlin as bad as provoking an oath from a Sidhe or dragon, terrifying to think of. And yikes, no wonder Caitlin is avoiding taking such an oath, after dealing with Nephandus in any way, shape, or form I would on principle. A spell that keeps you from telling anyone who isn't cleared already, no wonder someone in the military would want that. And yikes, Tyson better keep quiet about what Caitlin just told him, Imp being told you think you need to learn to laugh more, that is just mean.
Hearing those tales about Amaterasu and also Susano'o, he thought that would get Amaterasu moving, Susano'o is dense, isn't he.
And Amaterasu just laughing at Caitlin as she groans, she has a wicked sense of humor."This was the wrong decade to become immune to alcohol."
Those students avoiding her for various reasons, homophobic, ugh. Ellison getting a...sort of apology from Caitlin, Caitlin stating it is easy to forget that sometimes it's a bit harder for others to see what she has actually has to filter out day-to-day. Resonance lenses, interesting. And Ellison is the one who helped revived Wondercute, oh brother. Speaking to her serious is making Ellison scared.
Telling Ellison what Hikaru is, she understands immediately and the implications. And Wondercute bugged Caitlin about making them Sailor Scout wands, good grief. Leaving Hikaru like that just for essence, any student who finds out and tries is going to regret it, if Caitlin gets them to them first I don't think there will be anything left to hand over to the MCO. Breaking a Sorcerer's Contract with Caitlin and she can't control how she responds, scared to find out who did that in the past and what happened to them now. And nice to see Nikki's old crystal still getting some use.
And having to talk to Le Compete now, relax safety standards on all of the weapon ranges, and because of politics he wants to do an experiment using the ranges, this has bad idea written all over it. And he wants to see if interference is a real thing, or a figment of his imagination. Give the appearance the Whateley Range Crew is at odds with, and hostile towards the administration. So many ways this could go wrong.
An office pool like that, these people don't know Caitlin very well. All that and Caitlin is perfect for his. His favor, why was Caitlin not interesting in teaching those classes, they sound right up her alley. A boy whose well is lit but can't channel the essence he gathers, Morgana and probably others. And tells her she doesn't have to teach the class in Kirby, to find her own space, wonder what it will be and where. Not wasted on the ranges, but not growing, Compete has a point.
"You got the wrong Codename. They should have called you Old Nick Scratch." "It was taken." He looked at her. "Time for your grand exit, my dear. Do make it look good."
Hikaru enjoying her time on the balcony when Tiff shows up to break the silence. And Tiff is already spreading the rumor about the Ranges and Headmaster, spreads fast at Whateley. The way Caitlin was acting before seeing Le Compete helped the rumor, teens love to believe things too easily without evidence. Hikaru knows enough to see through the rumor as just rumor, though wonders if there is any truth in it. Hikaru helping out the rumor in her own way, sneaky.
Tiff putting on a show by bouncing around with her robe loosening, Amaterasu teasing her about denying herself the show and pleasure of it, hehe. Breaking the rules on the range, yeah, Caitlin doesn't want anyone hurt, maimed or killed because someone isn't following the safety rules, have to be a hardass. Hikaru going to the old Telephone game to example how things might have gotten mixed up, Tiff finally gets it. And Tiff believes that Caitlin used to be a guy just because she cusses like a Marine, heh. I've heard female Marines in public cuss that badly, gender has nothing to do with it.
Hikaru pointing out Tiff might not want to give the waking students any more of a free show than she already is, Tiff can be a ditz sometimes. Paying attention to what Le Compete and Caitlin do after the bait is taken, plus pay attention to anything else Caitlin says, Amaterasu is very different from any mother I've ever met. Trying to poach Caitlin for Japan, that won't work, she cares too strongly about taking care of the students of Whateley to leave.
Kenshin going through katas for meditation, thinking about the idiots who call him gay, plus the girls who are forward. The Voice aka Hikaru, he can feel her presence, that is useful. Kenshin not looking at her out of respect and some idiots think he is gay because of it, calling what she is wearing slutwear, oh boy, they just stepped into a minefield with that one. Students taking pictures of Hikaru as she runs through the grounds, ugh.
And an idiot going to push Kenshin only stopped by the glares of several girls. And the idiot thinks he is gay just because he isn't ogling Hikaru's legs and ass, what a creep. Avery comes to his defense but the idiot says they don't know what a real man is, walking away. And what Kenshin says in Japanese, yikes, that guy will regret it if he touches Kenshin.
Kurenai annoyed at having keep pictures of Hikaru offline due to the outfit she wear while out running. And Hikaru knows it, even responding about how Kako said to tease the boys, she is taking that to literally. Don't have to redo all her testing, except Medical, that save some trouble at least. Bwahahaha, the Imp VI collects Gir clips from Invader Zim, priceless. A spot on the hills overlooking the ranges, hope none of the guys have good distance vision or they will be distracted when Hikaru and Caitlin show up.
"A smiling Hikaru is a plotting Hikaru," with a sigh emoji at the end.
And Caitlin already caught up to Hikaru, despite all the flash steps, that Parkour is impressive. Attunement to a lightning rod that can ground out her accumulate essence if she starts to overload, Caitlin makes the best 'toys'.No one excepted Cannonball Teacher!
Cat toy beam level light, nutria zapper and Hikaru hates those things, still good she can control it enough to emit light at that low of a level. A complete power dump, ouch, still better than a burnout. Laser Pointer Attack, named by Kako due to her love of Shojo, cute. Bwahaha, Chaka Chaka Bang Bang, been a while since we heard Chaka do that attack. Takes that much sun to get fully full with no power use, that is a lot. A conversion organ and storage organ, but not standard organelles most warpers and energizers have that do mass conversion, yikes.
Interesting details about the organs most energizers and warpers have and what they do. Ouch, about halfway point physically between an energizer, and a WIZ-trait that doesn't have a lit well, complicated. Amaterasu examine Caitlin or have Kwannon do it, to compare results, wonder what they would find. After hearing Caitlin is an Artificer Amaterasu has a very good response, art is to be respected, not controlled, glad she has that attitude.
Watch and then do an experiment, having to explain she is converting sunlight into essence, plus hearing she could have powered a major ritual with what she was bleeding off under the laser, that puts it into context more, even scarier than I thought before. The rod feels familiar and Hikaru would need a secrecy oath on one thing to never talk about, she can show Caitlin why. Wonder if it is similar to the 3 artifacts in Japan, that is why it feels familiar, perhaps. A small shrine to channel essence into, would be interesting and a good tool. Not dedicated to her and have to keep shit from draining off what you put in, that isn't a no.
Ah, the item she knows how to recreate it, but can't, not yet, so not the 3 artifacts from the sound it anymore. And what Caitlin just did, beautiful to watch in person I bet. Push-pull exercise, Hikaru saying it is similar to some ki training exercises as well as some martial arts training. The exercise sounds both simple and extremely complex at the same time with how Caitlin explains it. Ouch! Reddening her palms like that, painful lesson.
Having to warn Hikaru not to try and pull it all, Caitlin is a walking essence dynamo. Interesting to learn more about what essence is and how perceptions and mind tell you how you translate it. Awww, why does she call DragonsFyre an annoying little wanna be bitch. Hearing all that, wonder how some other magic wielders we've met perceive essence themselves. Yikes! The exercise too dangerous to continue for Hikaru, very unusual.
Good, no burnout, we don't need another one so soon. Moderation in action and in learning is something she doesn't do at all, she is going to have to learn or keep having problems. No essence transfers or magical experiments, a tiny tug pulled all her energy and converted it into essence, yikes.
"There are far more effective ways of teaching that lesson than vaporization, and I'm not about to let them get the easy way out."
Kurenai doesn't care about Caitlin's wrath if she vaporizes someone on Whateley grounds, scary. Those who are an actual threat will be dealt with, Kurenai is scary when focused on protecting Hikaru, different from how we've seen her before. A laser to rebuild, after she smashed it yesterday, Caitlin gives herself more work than needed sometimes. Oh god, messing with the TLW credit limits if they are still the little brats describe in Grimes' files, Kurenai can be just mean.
And Tiff's brother thought a guy looked at him funny, so fight in the Arena tomorrow, such a guy thing to do over something so stupid. Either lure Mrs. Rogers to Japan or teach Kenshin how to make the same fabric. Tiff watching out for Hikaru due to her recent burnouts, good friend. And Caitlin recognizing how Caitlin moves and walks, of herself when she'd just started as a student at Whateley. Months of that to get through Lillian Dennon's Exemplar Grace class, ouch.
Bwahaha, getting Hikaru like that with the Marine-issue marching cadence, Caitlin has a wicked sense of humor. Caitlin walking like that, some guys would pay for footage of that. Things buried for a reason and should remain buried, knows who Caitlin used to be and makes a point of it. Dang, most of the things people might need to know and without Carson there not able to know them easily.
And Nikki by name mentioned now, so definitely Nikki Reilly aka Fey, working at Whateley, didn't see that coming after all her plans, though being close to the World Tree as it grows is a good idea.
Can imagine, all the explosions and blast from Range 4, painful to the ears at least. Targets up to a kilometer out, and that Graffiti, should have known they would do that.It's also the one spot in Whateley where it's just not worth leaving listening devices, devises, and scrying spells."
Caitlin understanding to Hikaru after hearing General Pearson's name dropped. Essence felt hot, difficult to pull past her palms, as if she didn't want to accept it, what is going on. A small Essence Vault, good that Le Compete signed off on it, at this rate it seems the only thing which will work for Hikaru. Ki is the power of the body, essence is the power of the soul, interesting take on things.
Darn, no idea if the architecture of the 'shrine' is secondary to its purpose. Not that it will stop Caitlin from trying, when has anything. A god who has magical overtones from Japan but no one talks about him, wonder who that is. The glade they used to call Fury in, perfect, kids still think there's a demon or something there, bwahaha, how rumors get started.
Either teasing us or Jericho and Diamondback started dating and she is a prime candidate as Mrs. Turner. Or Deimos, darn. Two huge candidates.One of the prominent rocks had a large heart with J+D carved into near the edge
Only the Outcasts came here, sparring matches, heh, I would love to see one between Diamondback and Anomaly. Smashing rocks and just needs Hikaru back before dusk, Defensive Driving course and Hikaru needs to call Kako as her car hasn't shown up yet. Hikaru running like that after kicking off her heels, she loves to run.
Tia seeing Hikaru show up in that outfit at that speed, bet she ask what Hikaru was up to. Mr. Broucher and another man, Mr. Ballentine, Motor Pool administrator, head of all driving courses and clubs. No, must resist making a pun out of his name. Ready to drive and learn to drive at all times for the course, so no school uniforms, heh, the one time wearing it causes problems for a class. At least they get off for today, close call.
Ouch, spelling out they would know what was needed for the class if they referenced their tablets or personal assistants about it. Students taking notes and Tia thinks there is a slight frown on the advisor's face, wonder why. Ouch, Hikaru doesn't have an IDP, one reason or another why her family didn't send one and needing to get a state license. Wait for the State's OFM, she doesn't know how slow such things can be in the US. Uh oh, things about Japan's requirements for a license got Tia's attention, making her wonder if something else is going on.
Off to see the wizard, another Wizard of Oz reference. And dang, seeing Caitlin at work, awesome. How Amaterasu talks about art and craftsmanship, a lot of respect for the arts. Caitlin in that state as she works, awe-inspiring to see but also scary to get too close to with how focused she is. This structure is going to be very impressive, possibly something not seen on Earth since the Five-Fold Courts, when it is finished.
This is more the art of allowing your will to create something or mark the world.
Ouch, can feel the pain in Amaterasu's voice when she speaks about sealing away things that do not belong here, fighting to teach people the basics of growing food, or basic simple living. Just seeing Caitlin work, I can't say it enough, it is a wonder. A high from creation since she stopped sleeping, so much she doesn't even notice Hikaru. About 4 hours of watching Caitlin work, elements that feel right like pure mahou. And now to see if the shrine works as intended and Hikaru can attune to it.
Good, working safely until they have a better picture to work with. Memories of the Outcasts time in the clearing, good times. And Hikaru knocked out from attuning to the shrine, having to do it again at dawn. Tia and Tiff heading her way.
Bwahahaha. Smelling salts won't work at night, rats, at least Tia figures out why use a laser on her, good she is paying attention in her classes."Because she insists on doing an impress of a sack of potatoes whenever she tries to figure out her powers?"
Tiff can be mean to her friend, putting her in those boots in that catsuit just to tease the boys, Hikaru would freak out after being stared at too long. Awww, no pranking Tiff, don't want to get her hurt. And a mini-lightning bolt to wake Hikaru up, braced for a punch and put on the floor by a leg sweep, Caitlin got owned for once, funny to see in this context. Tia laughing, Hikaru's hair slightly puffed out, need a picture of that for later.
Another party tonight, all those reasons for having one, *groan*, like Tiff uses any excuse to have a party. Focusing on the movers and shakers of society as Tiff puts it, no wonder some can't stand Melville kids. Students who are well prepared and able to shape public views for the better, a worthy goal. Yikes, Hikaru's opinion on the MCO and anyone who works for them.
Hikaru hearing the agent that helped Tia was a survivor of the Nazi camps, proving himself worse and she should kill him right now, scary when she gets worked up. Trying to convince Hikaru of anything involving the MCO that doesn't fit her view of them is doomed to fail. And Caitlin shows up, hears what is going on, and says she wouldn't be as nice as Hikaru is being when describing the MCO. Great, Hikaru and Tia upset at each other and storm off, at least Caitlin got them to drop the matter, for now at least.
Talking to Tiff about the matter, how Tia has only seen the good of the MCO, Hikaru has only seen the bad. Oh boy, Tiff thinks someone needs to mediate things between Tia and Hikaru, this could blow up in her face and make it a lot worse. Call her baby sister, plan to spoil a rugrat, wonder which rugrat she is referring too.
Trying to explain how shelter Tia is about mutants the MCO to Hikaru, Tiff has given herself a monumental task. At least Hikaru realizes she was too hard on Tia and feels sorry about it. Blaming people for what they don't know, Tiff has a good point there. Bringing out the knee-high stiletto boots, Hikaru ask if Tiff has been talking to Kako, nope, they just think alike. Having Kurenai send that message to Kako, she is just making trouble for herself now, bet Kako didn't even think of using classmates of Hikaru to get her to loosen up, but now she will. A pair of boots like those in black for Tiff, nice Christmas present when it comes.
Michelle being annoyed by them taking all the attention, get her help as the way she acts isn't normal. Gazebo and J Dean lost the best and have to watch the kids, along with Down who swapped with Tiff, of boy. Tiff is going to get Hikaru to loosen up, one way or another.
Gerard there to see how Tia is doing on behalf of Tiff, him trying to get her to calm down. All the kids there have problems, all have hot buttons, and he is trying to get Tia to see it from Hikaru's point of view. Okay, thanks to Tiff and Gerard it seems like things are going to work out well.
Wait a minute, this doesn't seem right, Hikaru said she was going to apologize to Tia, yet is being cold to her, what is going on. Hikaru not wishing to go to Tia's for Thanksgiving, still upset and wishing to educate the agent, but unable to due to oaths she took. Not able to tell Tia either, as she gave her word, if only she could tell them what she knew. Kurenai gives Hikaru an idea, maybe an ex-MCO agent who shares her view of them can reveal things she can't.
Agent Berkowitz, MCO, retired, wait, why has he retired since he helped Tia out. Or was he already retired and I'm misremembering things again.
A plush puppy on Tia's head between her ears, we need an artist to draw this!"Too kind, perhaps. Too nice. Not yet...jaded. Losing that...would be a shame."
And all is right in the world again, Tia teasing Hikaru in a friendly manner."Can you take a picture of Hikaru? She's smiling now, and it might break her face. We might need it for reconstruction purposes later. 'Bye now!" Tia bolted, and made it out the door ahead of the plushie storm.
Fully attuned to the 'shrine' now and hashing out the details of how to work channeling energy and essence to Hikaru. Slow build up in half increments, safe but slow, 3 times the sun's rays safely. And Hametsu'Yomi, twin to Kusanagi no Tsurugi, impressive.
Too tight to one bloodline to answer anyone's call, anyone else would feel her curse, yikes."Full tang, Guard's ancient. Blade's been folded too many times...She's been reforged at least twice, that's why. Tempered in fire and blood, quenched in a man with your blood. Someone wasn't paying attention, bound the blade tighter."
A request for Caitlin later from Amaterasu, could be good and bad. One or two have had those spirits die, we know about Aunghadhail, who else with a powerful spirit has the spirit die I wonder. Amaterasu coming down to check out the latest fashions, I can actually believe that, though seems like a distraction from what Hikaru just said about her. And sparring between Hikaru and Caitlin while Amaterasu channels, with Hametsu'Yomi kept sheathed, nice mod to the sheath.
Can't believe Hikaru started the match with that old teleporter trick, too obvious. Ouch! Trying to kick Caitlin, bad idea, broke her toes on Caitlin's rock form.
"Classical combat? You never met Ito-Soke." Caitlin grinned. "The hell midget would have had a field day with you." Hikaru rolled her eyes, still massaging her toes. "Of course, Ito-done is well known. I'd just shoot him from a distance with a damned tank. His apprentice is bad enough, thank you very much."
And Hikaru doesn't know if Amaterasu had to start lower, originally with her. EX-3 level strength and, somewhat, toughness, though not sure why not full, for about 1 minute of full sunlight per 1 minute of use, still a good power up to have. Amaterasu chiding Hikaru about breaking her feet on stone faces, funny. And revealing that to Caitlin, she trust her already, she is aware of Butcher's Row, yikes, no wonder she is hates the MCO so much.
And Caitlin wanting to talk to Amaterasu for just a few minutes alone now, heh, that would be an interesting few minutes. She has figured out why Hikaru keeps burning out so much, that was quick. And yeah, to those who know Mrs. Carson the school probably feels a lot different without her around, especially for advice when needed. Watch and wait, and pray that she is wrong, oh boy, hope whatever Caitlin thinks she knows about Hikaru is wrong for both their sakes.
Air Force Colonel Samuel Weiss couching the kids in their shooting form, as Caitlin watches her 'minions'. Whoa, what mission is Caitlin about to leave on, confirmed missing girl's identity and where she is being held, a rescue mission. Range REACT, I pity whoever is holding that missing girl now, Whateley Range guys and Caitlin.
Okay, Nikki in that silvery armor and still having her scimitar is awesome. Though how Amaterasu reacts to Nikki is wrong, blamed for the actions of the past Sidhe, unless Ammy thinks it is the same Aunghadhail. WyldChyld, Mister Allen and Imp as well, whoever they are going after is toast. Caitlin and Nikki working together to open a portal, dang.
Who is this poor woman, who held her, and what did they do to her that is in that shape when they return to campus with her. Caitlin's gear trashed, armor battered and rockets used, Nikki's armor dented and bashed up, and most everyone returning injured. Who were they up against to get that harmed in the process. Guess that is for another story, if it is revealed later on.
A great story from start to finish, nice to see how Caitlin and Hikaru have gotten closer through the elder helping out the new girl. And Caitlin crafting that 'shrine', just epic. I can understand Hikaru's hatred of the MCO after all she knows about them, glad with the help of Tiff and Gerard they worked things out between Hikaru and Tia. Just not right without Tia teasing Hikaru.

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- Yolandria
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Heart with J + D in it.
*Hands out Swedish Fish* I seriously doubt it would be any pair of the OC crew. The reason behind that. They would use their given names.... So it could be Joe +...Or Janine + Or Jack +...Now we just need to find out who the D belonged too.
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The normal students can love Falcon and the staff will get sorted out by Mazarin's plan with Caitlin...who just so happens to be on his side anyway now that he's revealed that he is focused on the well-being of the students who need Whateley unique staff to help them be safe.
One question though. Why don't we know Ellison's first name? Following the Path of Cute seemed to show she was a ex-hero who had a magical girl theme, but this story, I kept getting confused and thinking it was Seraphim, who has equal tendencies to get caught up in the moment of things. Both having blond hair and blue eyes. At least I don't think they're the same person, or Kerry picked up some really weird preferences after graduating. Miss Sparkle doesn't quite have the same ring to Seraphim.
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Any chance someone can clarify what Hikaru* meant about Morgana?
*My autocorrect changed hikaru to hilary for some asinine reason...
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Kerry does have a younger sister, but she was 10 in 2007, and that puts her a little young to be a teacher, much less have a career as a magical girl before that.
Love the Imp VI. I bet Imp loves it too. It does remind me a bit of the Shoulder Angels. I wonder how much future VI tech was born in those few chaotic days? (Also, checking the wiki, it took less than a week for the shoulder angels to spiral out of control. Wow)
It bothers me far more than it should that Hikaru was misquoting "We're off to see the Wizard". I think a large part of it is that I can't get the words she used to match the melody properly.
Brain damage is scary. It's bad enough for someone like Roulette, who knows that they might go into burnout and die at any time. But Hikaru is loosing parts of herself - important parts - every time she overexerts, and she's not going to be able to get those parts back. Caitlyn chose to leave Eric Mahren behind for the safety and sanity of all concerned. Daniel Moates is dying by inches.
It would be interesting for Hikaru to talk to the Wylanns.
I like Le Compte. Anyone taking bets on whether he's part of SMILE?
Kenshin, like Danny, has attracted a harem to fight his battles for him. It's funny how differently he reacts to the situation.
I wonder what's going on with Hikaru's sword that Caitlyn doesn't want her messing with?
It's interesting to see that Nikki is a full-time member of the Whateley staff. Makes sense though. It's safe (from a certain point of view), and she'll want to keep an eye on the World Tree seedling. And as sidhe are reborn into the world, any that follow a mutation path like Nikki did are more likely to end up at Whateley than anywhere else.
Very curious about the mission at the very end. So many questions that I don't even know where to start.
You say 'tomato', I say 'tomato' *. Caitlyn's purpose has never altered, and her methods haven't really changed. All that's different is her focus and targets.I just don’t know how much of the old Dragonslayer is still there and how much has been replaced by the eternally angry Mama-Bear.”
*it doesn't make much sense when you read it.
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Also looking forward to the Playboy Thanksgiving, hehehe. Tia tricks Hikaru again!
@MageOhki:
I believe Forger is referring to this paragraph, because I had to read it a few times myself and it only makes sense when you combine Cait's discussions/exercises with Hikaru and the earlier context of Cait raging at the other staff about not being told what Hikaru is capable of until just now:
So please correct me if I'm wrong: What Hikaru is saying or joking about Morgana is a comparison of the two of them. Hikaru basically is Amaterasu. She is the shining heavens itself, and converts the sun to essence. The solar essence transformer, producing too much for her body to handle. Morgana was grafted through demonic ritual to the plane of fire to rip and convert essence from it as effectively as possible, and to be used as a battery by the cult.Hikaru rolled her eyes at both the teacher and the goddess. “Oh, I know better than to think sticking my palms in fire is a good idea.” Snorting. “And you feel warm. It’s how I can put up with you. Must be your essence.” Musing. “Explains why I’m not too angry at Dragonsfyre the annoying little wanna be bitch.” Pausing, eyeing her hands. “Well, doesn’t seem to be regenerating that fast, though this is the first time I’ve actually got a sunburn since well...”
Hikaru and Amaterasu seem to be a bit offended by the similarity.
Morgana is a wannabe essence radiator. Hikaru is the real deal. She's comparing their capacity, and a fire to the sun. One the electrical transformer, the other a rechargeable battery. Morgana was intended to be what Hikaru could be used for if the wrong people give her enough burnouts.
This was my take as well. It's like each burnout scoops out a chunk of Daniel (with bits of Hikaru to boot), that gets rebuilt as best as she can by Amaterasu, leaving Hikaru more and more 'Hikaru' every time. It's more terrifying that her friends are seeing it first hand, while Hikaru doesn't really know why she doesn't know what she lost, or if she should really be upset by it. Not knowing who Chicken is to her anymore hurts Tyson so much more than the little confusion Hikaru feels.Arcanist Lupus wrote: It bothers me far more than it should that Hikaru was misquoting "We're off to see the Wizard". I think a large part of it is that I can't get the words she used to match the melody properly.
Brain damage is scary. It's bad enough for someone like Roulette, who knows that they might go into burnout and die at any time. But Hikaru is loosing parts of herself - important parts - every time she overexerts, and she's not going to be able to get those parts back. Caitlyn chose to leave Eric Mahren behind for the safety and sanity of all concerned. Daniel Moates is dying by inches.
I enjoyed the much scarier side to Kenshin that Hikaru has been hinting at from the beginning. When he lets go, he's gonna let go big. Probably when one of the harem girls gets hurt defending him. Whoever does it is going to get plastered over a wall, and nobody will know who did it.Kenshin, like Danny, has attracted a harem to fight his battles for him. It's funny how differently he reacts to the situation.

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It is a reason to be at Whateley, or so she was sold on...Katssun wrote: It's pretty funny that Hikaru spends much of the story taking personal notes on who she's going to try and poach and lure to Japan the next four years.
We ARE planning to write the SoCal Turkey day.Also looking forward to the Playboy Thanksgiving, hehehe. Tia tricks Hikaru again!
Completely wrong. Sorry. Hikaru doesn't like Morgana for one simple reason. Morgana in Calamari, tried to go all 'alpha' on her, when Hikaru went "Meh, Kenshin's not slicing and dicing, no need for me." and Hikaru has been around enough real deal 'alphas' to not be impressed by a wanna be.@MageOhki:
I believe Forger is referring to this paragraph, because I had to read it a few times myself and it only makes sense when you combine Cait's discussions/exercises with Hikaru and the earlier context of Cait raging at the other staff about not being told what Hikaru is capable of until just now:So please correct me if I'm wrong: What Hikaru is saying or joking about Morgana is a comparison of the two of them. Hikaru basically is Amaterasu. She is the shining heavens itself, and converts the sun to essence. The solar essence transformer, producing too much for her body to handle. Morgana was grafted through demonic ritual to the plane of fire to rip and convert essence from it as effectively as possible, and to be used as a battery by the cult.Hikaru rolled her eyes at both the teacher and the goddess. “Oh, I know better than to think sticking my palms in fire is a good idea.” Snorting. “And you feel warm. It’s how I can put up with you. Must be your essence.” Musing. “Explains why I’m not too angry at Dragonsfyre the annoying little wanna be bitch.” Pausing, eyeing her hands. “Well, doesn’t seem to be regenerating that fast, though this is the first time I’ve actually got a sunburn since well...”
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Gets better when you realize she has no singing voice...Arcanist Lupus wrote: It bothers me far more than it should that Hikaru was misquoting "We're off to see the Wizard". I think a large part of it is that I can't get the words she used to match the melody properly.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.This was my take as well. It's like each burnout scoops out a chunk of Daniel (with bits of Hikaru to boot), that gets rebuilt as best as she can by Amaterasu, leaving Hikaru more and more 'Hikaru' every time. It's more terrifying that her friends are seeing it first hand, while Hikaru doesn't really know why she doesn't know what she lost, or if she should really be upset by it. Not knowing who Chicken is to her anymore hurts Tyson so much more than the little confusion Hikaru feels.
Brain damage is scary. It's bad enough for someone like Roulette, who knows that they might go into burnout and die at any time. But Hikaru is loosing parts of herself - important parts - every time she overexerts, and she's not going to be able to get those parts back. Caitlyn chose to leave Eric Mahren behind for the safety and sanity of all concerned. Daniel Moates is dying by inches.
I enjoyed the much scarier side to Kenshin that Hikaru has been hinting at from the beginning. When he lets go, he's gonna let go big. Probably when one of the harem girls gets hurt defending him. Whoever does it is going to get plastered over a wall, and nobody will know who did it.Kenshin, like Danny, has attracted a harem to fight his battles for him. It's funny how differently he reacts to the situation.

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So the "Voice of the Heavens"..."I knew you were an idol singer!" joke is only going to get better?!MageOhki wrote: Gets better when you realize she has no singing voice...
Hmm...is someone particularly jealous of somebody else's 918 Spyder?“Though that reminds me. I do need to call Kako. It shouldn’t take this long to get a car.”
What is Kako looking for? A Lexus LFA? A Nissan GT-R or a 370Z? The 370Z seems a little tame though. A Honda NSX (Acura for the US!)? Something older like a customized S2000?
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Ooo, maybe a refurbished classic boxy mountain racer Supra that all the Gearheads will drool over.
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@Everyone - Is this before or after the scene where Hikaru doesn't remember Laura?
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How is she not in Venus Inc. yet?
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Wait a sec. He's an actual ChildSoldier. The FUCK? He's been hired to be Hikaru's bodyguard-ish, no? And he's not an adult in any sense, unlike Hikaru... Argh.
... ChildSoldier, magical... MagicalGuy??
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Japan is behind on mutant biology. That could relate to the above, and Deidricks as well...
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Yep.Katssun wrote: Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to reread that part in Calamari.
So the "Voice of the Heavens"..."I knew you were an idol singer!" joke is only going to get better?!MageOhki wrote: Gets better when you realize she has no singing voice...
Not of the car itself but having a car. Hikaru kinda thinks the Spyder's a bit overdone, personally.Hmm...is someone particularly jealous of somebody else's 918 Spyder?“Though that reminds me. I do need to call Kako. It shouldn’t take this long to get a car.”
Hikaru ordered a 370Z Roadster.What is Kako looking for? A Lexus LFA? A Nissan GT-R or a 370Z? The 370Z seems a little tame though. A Honda NSX (Acura for the US!)? Something older like a customized S2000?
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Ooo, maybe a refurbished classic boxy mountain racer Supra that all the Gearheads will drool over.
or that's what she _wanted_ (In Japan they're the Z35 Fair Lady, IIRC)
It's why acutally, this is the reference scene to why, so it's kinda during.Iwasforger03 wrote: @ Katssun and Ohki - Yeah, that bit about Morgana. Thanks for clearing that up.
@Everyone - Is this before or after the scene where Hikaru doesn't remember Laura?
Sexy Exemplars females aren't quite a dime a dozen on Whateley, but close enough. Males who can be talked into modeling? Bit different story. IT's quite possible that they haven't gotten around to headhunting out the new froshies, beyond Tia, who they already knew was coming and had a contract.Katssun wrote: Skimming it over again, the fact that Hikaru shows up to a driving class in a red and gold zippered catsuit when the only requirement is don't wear your uniform.
How is she not in Venus Inc. yet?
Or remember, it's only been about 2 weeks, so...
Also: that catsuit is fire resistant, leather(somewhat thick), properly designed to keep heat out, and armored to a degree. Tia calls it a catsuit (since Hikaru tends to go for semi skintight in these cases), but it's more a professional high risk racesuit.
In order: Might end up as UV, no he isn't, not really, no, no and it works more than it doesn't.Malady wrote: Oh right, Kenshin. ... He's a lot more bothered by things than he lets on. That calm is a real solid mask, and when he lets loose, he might be rager or UV classified??
Wait a sec. He's an actual ChildSoldier. The FUCK? He's been hired to be Hikaru's bodyguard-ish, no? And he's not an adult in any sense, unlike Hikaru... Argh.
... ChildSoldier, magical... MagicalGuy??
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Iwasforger03 wrote: He's supposed to have the powers of fighting game characters. That problably includes regenerating himself, his clothing.... possibly stock sound effects, and maybe even some variant of the "Ki Wizard" trait Chaka had. I imagine he's insanely powerful when he cuts loose completely, and insanely dangerous. It seems like the main reason he's at Whateley instead of ninja school (yama dojo) is that he wouldn't be able to behave well enough at ninja school, so they hoped Whateley could handle him?
Eh. Not really a spoiler, but Kenshin's power rating from DOPS/IOPS, is : EX-3, ESP-1(undefined as they don't know what it is, and remember ESP ratings are 'how controlled it is', not how powerful), Man-3, and Re-3.
that's it.
He'd technically qualify as a Wiz-0, possibly, depening on how the ki arts are viewed, more or less, he knows the basics enough to sense and do a 'few' tricks.
And yes, the reason he's at Whateley boils down to: "Yama dojo trains those who fit what we teach" And Kenshin does not
Galahad, mostly, but a Japanese variant (the 'noble samurai'), to some extent, though he isn't that bad. And no, Japan's actually pretty equal to the average for first world nations (no one's as good as Whateley or ARC, but that's a different story), on paranormal issues, maybe a bit more in some areas. Where Japan falls down involves the telepathic group of powers. Empathy and ESP also somewhat fall down, though it'd depend on the ESP variant.Malady wrote: And just to bring these points up again: Galahad and Heracles Syndromes. How much is Kenshin hit by it?
Japan is behind on mutant biology. That could relate to the above, and Deidricks as well...
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Thing is, the Spyder is a limited-production supercar, with prices starting at 847K. Tia's is probably more expensive, with all the customizations. All of those you mentioned are regular production cars costing from 5% to 40% of the price of the Porsche.Katssun wrote: Hmm...is someone particularly jealous of somebody else's 918 Spyder?
What is Kako looking for? A Lexus LFA? A Nissan GT-R or a 370Z? The 370Z seems a little tame though. A Honda NSX (Acura for the US!)? Something older like a customized S2000?
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Ooo, maybe a refurbished classic boxy mountain racer Supra that all the Gearheads will drool over.
If Hikaru were jealous of the car (something that MageOhki has already dispelled), none of those would have helped in upstaging Tia.
Japanese car makers don't have a big story of custom supercars. If Hikaru wanted something comparable to Tia's, she would have to go European. But she doesn't, she just wants a nice car.
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Back then, Aunghandail had Nikki's life pretty much planned for her. She would become a model to attain fame and money, and would then leverage that into diplomacy, in order to lead the Sidhe into resurgence.
Now that Aung's is out of the picture, Nikki is finding how much she was being manipulated by the ancient Sidhe. It's not unlikely that she will find a different path. Her modeling career took a slight setback (well, "slight" in Sidhe years - there are probably a few ad agencies angry at how subpar her recent photos were, and dismissing her as an unreliable flake -- but she can afford to wait a few decades until they forget about it, if she wants to); the kind of magic she relied on proved to have important shortcomings. Would it be surprising, really, if she decided to dedicate a decade or two to magical research? And what better place for that than Whateley? And yes, the presence of the Grove and the World Tree seedling would be a factor, but not a deciding one -- when she decided to plant the seed there, she wasn't planning on tying herself to babysitting it.
Re: Ellison... some possibilities:
1. She's Seraphim. Really unlikely, despite the coincidence of name and appearance. First, different powers. Second, different personality. Third, she and Eldritch don't seem to really know each other well (Eldritch does not call her by her first name, to begin with) -- which would be really odd after years working together in the forging of magical artifacts.
2. She's Seraphim's younger sister Madison. Barely possible, although Madison seems too young to have had a career as a Magical Girl. But who knows, she might have become a (non-mutant) Magical Girl in her tweens... I mean, that's the age where somebody would think adopting a Magical Girl guise is a good idea.
3. She's Seraphim's older brother Ray, who has magical talent and was sent to study under Master Zheng. Who knows, he may have had a "Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki" event... and this IS Whateley, where gender-change events do happen fairly often. As for the somewhat ditzy personality, who knows how becoming a Magical Girl might affect him...
4. She's Seraphim's mom, magically rejuvenated. Somehow, I don't think so. Again, wrong personality.
5. She's someone else, and the name and appearance are just a coincidence.
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DrawSwordDrawBlood is interesting... I guess that's a deliberate divergence from real life, for some reason? But, “Live steel is never drawn in a spar.” Training is all wood?
she’s too tight to one bloodline to ever answer anyone’s call.
Doesn't that mean noone can use it? Or... I guess Eldritch means that Hametsu can only be wielded by a Amateratsu descendant? Or a descendant of a descendant or something? A dead bloodline?
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Such a thing exists?
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JG wrote: Better than S+M
Such a thing exists?
Good question. I do wonder what the...
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This isn't to say Japan is 'paranormal' heaven. While, yes, outside the Ryukyus, anti mutant feelings are zip, etc, etc... Japan is not pro psi one little bit, they're somewhat weak (to be fair, this is an in general, not just paranormal) on psychology issues, there's a very strong 'conform' 'tude, etc, etc... There's 'lifetime' (both good and bad implications, btw. Corps tend to expect their gadegetters stay with them.... for life.)
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And are we going to see more of that poor girl who was rescued or is she just to there to show what Whateley will do to protect a student?
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Do Japanese Gadgeteers not mind the 80 hour work weeks? Or would that just be their devisors?MageOhki wrote: Corps tend to expect their gadegetters stay with them.... for life.)
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Do Japanese Gadgeteers not mind the 80 hour work weeks? Or would that just be their devisors?MageOhki wrote: Corps tend to expect their gadegetters stay with them.... for life.)
Neither mutant type is really happy with 80 hour work weeks, but that's why there's overtime. Nearly unlimited overtime keeps them happy.
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My company here in the States has what we jokingly call "free time" where salary employees don't get paid for the first 5 or 10 hours of overtime depending on your rank (e.g. supervisors are expected to put in more time, and thus give 10 for free), but you do get overtime once you go over.
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Domoviye wrote:
Katssun wrote:
Do Japanese Gadgeteers not mind the 80 hour work weeks? Or would that just be their devisors?MageOhki wrote: Corps tend to expect their gadegetters stay with them.... for life.)
Neither mutant type is really happy with 80 hour work weeks, but that's why there's overtime. Nearly unlimited overtime keeps them happy.
Lol. ... But seriously, do you mean ResignationsNotAccepted???

Or just the normal InItForLife? ... Well, they're Japanese too, presumably, so they're used to the culture, so that's why they stay? ... They could just use the Gen1 Chinese method of recruitment, which would be bad if it got out, but it's not gonna get out...
... Why am I so negative?? 'Cause government black projects and similar things are not unexpected, perhaps? And no other country accepts mutants like Japan, so black project speculation with human exploitation of powered people only makes sense in Japan? ... Although, yes, why wouldn't anyone else kidnap and drug a Gadgeteer / Devisor like how Hikaru and Morgana could have been, or the Artificers??
... What powers did the presumed Disappeared have???
@Kattsun... Is that legal ?? ... I guess if you willingly declare that as volunteering for the company, etc... *sigh* Whatever, not dealing with this.
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As for seeing Nikki around, everything said makes sense. She's lost her very personal tutor, so it's only natural to devote extra time studying, teaching and helping out. Keeping a close eye on her backyard bark baby certainly wouldn't hurt, as well as the aforementioned intake of Sidhe.
Looking forward to seeing Hikaru (and especially Amaterasu) meet Nikki, and how that ends up playing out.
As for the mysterious rescue at the end... Le Compte's wording insinuates that the young woman rescued is part of a number that disappeared - at the same time I'd think. Her treatment also implies that it was a kidnapping rather than anything else. So many questions are raised.
Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
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We're Salary Exempt ("exempt" from FLSA overtime rules). Technically, they don't have to pay us overtime at all, so of course we take the deal where they pay us.Malady wrote: @Kattsun... Is that legal ?? ... I guess if you willingly declare that as volunteering for the company, etc... *sigh* Whatever, not dealing with this.
@MageOhki:
Thanks for the insight. So it's a pretty grey area, and the companies go for licensing deal kind of stuff. Fits with the Japanese Consortium business culture? Like how Hitachi does everything from banking, making air conditioners, construction equipment, military vehicles, and of course their infamous magic wand.
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Malady wrote: @Kattsun... Is that legal ?? ... I guess if you willingly declare that as volunteering for the company, etc... *sigh* Whatever, not dealing with this.
It's ironic that the link goes back to Dept. of Labor, when Interior is pretty blatant in-house in its abuse of "exempt status" (my last office demanded that hours be tracked for exempt employees, as long as departure times were back-dated to keep the biweekly total at 80).
In the end, it comes down to whether you want to keep your job, or not.
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Ametros wrote: As for seeing Nikki around, everything said makes sense. She's lost her very personal tutor, so it's only natural to devote extra time studying, teaching and helping out. Keeping a close eye on her backyard bark baby certainly wouldn't hurt, as well as the aforementioned intake of Sidhe.
Yes. There's been enough time for her to obtain a Bachelor's degree in something other than "unemployment". I'd figure her parents would insist on a pre-law or pre-med compatible degree (If she's as good at politicking as Caitlin says - a psych degree would make sense for the queen-to-come. She does have a vested interest in Hank's problems, her own, any emotional fallout from the next couple of years,) as something worthwhile that puts her back into interacting with as regular a set of humans as one finds at a good university.
Spending a couple of years teaching at Whateley, learning more about magic and office politics, with a bit of modeling on the side would set her up for the costs of an MBA and law school. She doesn't have to be an expert at these things, but knowing what her employees and other underlings should be doing would serve her well. (My own OCs would likely be finishing their JROTC scholarship military service obligations by 2015. That's something Nikki wouldn't be doing.)
Can you imagine Fey going through Quantico for a commission and getting practical leadership experience?

Now I'm left wondering how good is Misk U., and if it's close enough (without being a teleporter) for a person to work their way through college working part-time or summers at Whateley or ARC?
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Nah, they just have to remember to murder the steel before they draw it.Malady wrote:
“Only real tradition regarding blades, is that you don’t unsheath them without them tasting blood before you put them back to rest.”
DrawSwordDrawBlood is interesting... I guess that's a deliberate divergence from real life, for some reason? But, “Live steel is never drawn in a spar.” Training is all wood?
Pretty sure it was a BDSM joke, actually.Iwasforger03 wrote:
null0trooper wrote:
JG wrote: Better than S+M
Such a thing exists?
Good question. I do wonder what the...
Sandra + Monica? Dude, please tell me that wasn't an incest joke...
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Well, during Liz' tenure, the "balance" was shown by having a Syndicate member inBronzephoenix wrote: Well the other thing to take into consideration is that Liz was former hero having the next head be from evil side so to speak reminds people that whateley services both communities,
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Mage and I wrote this on the fly as we would take turns adding lines and detail.
I hope to do this again, because it was bloody fun to have two people in Gdocs shaping the tale into something neither of us really expected but seemed to turn out Ok.
I wonder if I can con Morpheus or Elrod or EE or Bek or any of the others into doing similar things with me.
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Just a few suggestions:JG wrote: I wonder if I can con Morpheus or Elrod or EE or Bek or any of the others into doing similar things with me.
Nacht and Diamond on a magical adventure!
Tether's first professional outing with somebody new.
Date Night...chapter 2.
Tansy and Murphy are ordered to work together to get Team Awesome under control.
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Katssun wrote: Tansy and Murphy are ordered to work together to get Team Awesome under control.
And here I thought me and Elrod were vying for the title of Heavyweight Literary Sadist...
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JG wrote: Glad you guys liked it. This was my first-ever "deep collaboration" where myself and another author were exchanging roles and writing the tale line by line alternating the perspective to get a better feel for the characters.
Mage and I wrote this on the fly as we would take turns adding lines and detail.
I hope to do this again, because it was bloody fun to have two people in Gdocs shaping the tale into something neither of us really expected but seemed to turn out Ok.
I wonder if I can con Morpheus or Elrod or EE or Bek or any of the others into doing similar things with me.
I actually have some experience with this. My best friend and I run an rp solo campaign, as well as a side stories to a non-solo campaign, in joint sessions in Google Docs. It's incredible what you can come up with when you're bouncing off each other and surprising each other like that. Stories frequently go in directions nobody planned for, yet they feel very natural like that.
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JG wrote: Glad you guys liked it. This was my first-ever "deep collaboration" where myself and another author were exchanging roles and writing the tale line by line alternating the perspective to get a better feel for the characters.
Mage and I wrote this on the fly as we would take turns adding lines and detail.
I hope to do this again, because it was bloody fun to have two people in Gdocs shaping the tale into something neither of us really expected but seemed to turn out Ok.
I wonder if I can con Morpheus or Elrod or EE or Bek or any of the others into doing similar things with me.
I actually have some experience with this. My best friend and I run an rp solo campaign, as well as a side stories to a non-solo campaign, in joint sessions in Google Docs. It's incredible what you can come up with when you're bouncing off each other and surprising each other like that. Stories frequently go in directions nobody planned for, yet they feel very natural like that.
It'll probably happen if he wants to co-write with me. I've done things like that with EE and it was an absolute blast - the amount of
I've already been quite liberal about asking others to contribute scenes - that's what Odds and Ends was all about, and with EE, and scenes from Bladedancer and Joe, and Gen 2 - yeah, it'll keep on happening.

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Ad I have read way to many Heralds of Valdemar books as I was thinking Cait was gonna set up a Hearthstone.
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Cryptic wrote: Didn't Ito have a shrine already set up that could have been modified, or did it get removed when he retired?
Ad I have read way to many Heralds of Valdemar books as I was thinking Cait was gonna set up a Hearthstone.
That may have been a butsudan instead of a kamidama , but I doubt either one would serve well as an essence battery, given Okami's power.
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Because you cannot have a shrine, temple or whatnot dedicated to a student or their spirit on campus.
But a sundial has the celestial symbolism, and the person meditating is the one who casts the shadow to read the time.
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Peeper will have to take down the poster of Fey with the candle in front of it.
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im pretty sure the differences are sharply defined.
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Rose Bunny wrote: remember, Carson said there will be no (shrines for) worshiping your classmates.
Peeper will have to take down the poster of Fey with the candle in front of it.
Sara's Pack have to get rid of their beds.
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: If you don't mind me prying, which was written first - Mrs. Carson's outburst against shrines, or Hikaru's need for one?
The ban was in September of 2007 in Gen 1. Hikaru's need for a shrine is Gen 2.
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elrodw wrote:
Arcanist Lupus wrote: If you don't mind me prying, which was written first - Mrs. Carson's outburst against shrines, or Hikaru's need for one?
The ban was in September of 2007 in Gen 1. Hikaru's need for a shrine is Gen 2.
I think Arcanist means "which of the stories was written first?"
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Elrod wrote carson's ban before me and mage decided to see how close we could skirt that line without going over it.
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JG wrote: as far as literary timing?
Elrod wrote carson's ban before me and mage decided to see how close we could skirt that line without going over it.
I'm more thinking that you went over that line before dialing it back.

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elrodw wrote: To be perfectly frank, the 'Shrines' scene started as a microscene that I had no intention of ever using in a canon story; it was just one of those amusing little thoughts that I scribbled down. Then as I thought about it, I decided I HAD to use that in a story. It was a matter of waiting for the right time and story to place it. It's been on the shelf for about 15 months. I have another couple of scenes which could have been microscenes which are still waiting their turn to play in prime-time.
Is that when the neopagan and other directly-affected students get told exactly which gods and kami are on the forbidden list?
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Got it.
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null0trooper wrote: So the answer is no, the students affected by the ban will never be told which gods and kami they are forbidden to worship according to their traditions, simply detained or expelled.
Got it.
Students are not forbidden from worshipping any god, kami, other student, teacher, demon, or whatever. They are forbidden from building temples, shrines, churches, or other places of worship to the spirits, gods, demons or whatever that are or inhabit other students. You can worship Sara, but you can't make a shrine to her.
It's a good thing Hello Kitty doesn't have a spirit inhabiting a student, Jade would be in trouble.
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null0trooper wrote: So the answer is still no, the students affected by the ban will never be told which gods and kami they are forbidden to worship according to their traditions, simply detained or expelled.
Get over this. Seriously. Students may not, at any point, act as religious figures on the campus. There is no Hello Kitty Messiah on campus, only Jade, the student.
Nor may any student be made a point of worship on campus.
Twist and turn it all you want. That's pretty much it. Not gonna change it, and the reason the rule came into effect was a student wanted to have a shrine/worship space because Kayda was on campus. They didn't want the space before Kayda came on campus. They wanted it because kayda was on campus.
That was a big "HELL NO!"
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JG wrote:
null0trooper wrote: So the answer is still no, the students affected by the ban will never be told which gods and kami they are forbidden to worship according to their traditions, simply detained or expelled.
Get over this. Seriously. Students may not, at any point, act as religious figures on the campus. There is no Hello Kitty Messiah on campus, only Jade, the student.
Nor may any student be made a point of worship on campus.
Twist and turn it all you want. That's pretty much it. Not gonna change it, and the reason the rule came into effect was a student wanted to have a shrine/worship space because Kayda was on campus. They didn't want the space before Kayda came on campus. They wanted it because kayda was on campus.
That was a big "HELL NO!"
And then Imperious heard about it and wanted a shrine to himself, along with Majestic and Counterpoint wanting their own shrines. Then 'Shine misheard and thought he was being kicked out. Kayda nearly died of embarrassment. Bast tried to get Miyet to build that Hello Kitty Shrine for Jade. Hippy wanted to build a shrine to Sara, but realized that her bed already was one.
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MageOhki wrote: Ie, "No shrine/church/worship center of a student on campus while she's on campus/student of Whateley" is the rule, that's it.
Hikaru has no[/] disagreements.
Like the previous repetitions of the same theme, that isn't an answer to the question I've been asking, but let's use Hikaru as an example.
How is a current or incoming student who is not Hikaru supposed to know that no shrine/church/worship space of Amaterasu is permitted after 2016?
In this matter, Hikaru's agreement is irrelevant. If anything, she's the one person least likely to worship the entity and also the only student guaranteed to know. It is how the students who are not Hikaru are supposed to know that the student Hikaru is Amaterasu's daughter and therefore no worship spaces to either one are allowed.
I'm not asking why no worship spaces to Amaterasu are allowed.
I'm not asking whose worship is being curtailed among the student body by denying them worship space.
I'm asking how or when the students who are not the representatives of the entities involved are expected to find out that their object of worship attends Whateley.
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I don't think they would object to a shrine to, say, Artemis, so long as it wasn't specifically focused on Feral. If it were more widely known that Feral is a New Olympian, it would complicate things, and yes, the rule is fraught with all sorts of issues about religious rights, but the main thing is that they don't want someone worshiping another student directly.
So, if there had already been a Dianic temple on school grounds, and word then got around about who Erin is, I don't think they would force them to shut it down - but they would watch them like a hawk to make sure that things weren't tilting towards worshiping the personage of Erin herself. They also would not fault establishing such a shrine (that is, if her status as an Olympian were generally known), I think, so long as it was clear that Feral was not the specific object of veneration (though convincing the administration of this would be damn near impossible I expect).
The same would apply to, say, a Hindu shrine or temple dedicated to (to use an example from some of my micros) Indra, were someone like my fan character Thunderbolt to show up.
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null0trooper wrote: Like the previous repetitions of the same theme, that isn't an answer to the question I've been asking, but let's use Hikaru as an example.
How is a current or incoming student who is not Hikaru supposed to know that no shrine/church/worship space of Amaterasu is permitted after 2016?
In this matter, Hikaru's agreement is irrelevant. If anything, she's the one person least likely to worship the entity and also the only student guaranteed to know. It is how the students who are not Hikaru are supposed to know that the student Hikaru is Amaterasu's daughter and therefore no worship spaces to either one are allowed.
I'm not asking why no worship spaces to Amaterasu are allowed.
I'm not asking whose worship is being curtailed among the student body by denying them worship space.
I'm asking how or when the students who are not the representatives of the entities involved are expected to find out that their object of worship attends Whateley.
Their worship is NOT being curtailed. They can continue to worship anyone they want.
The most likely scenario is. Student goes to Admin to request building a shrine to Amaterasu. Request is denied as a student on campus has a direct link to her. Admin would not giver out information on the type of link, identity of the student, or anything like that.
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So, everybody else seems to be missing your point here. It looks like you're specifically responding to this bit of Carson's rant:null0trooper wrote: So the answer is still no, the students affected by the ban will never be told which gods and kami they are forbidden to worship according to their traditions, simply detained or expelled.
If taken literally, this does mean that you would have to do the research yourself ahead of time to find out which spirits are currently resident before making any request to build a shrine to them, or risk punishment. However, it's worth remembering that this is not an actual rule. It's just an angry Carson rant; it is likely a close approximation to the actual rule that is or will be implemented, but it skips all the details. If you were wanting to construct a shrine, you'd need to go look up what the actual rules are. Then, if the actual rules do include an automatic punishment for requesting a shrine to a resident spirit, you should try asking for a list of such spirits (the rules may even outline a process for doing this). It's also important to remember that admin are human and capable of leniency, so long as you don't make a nuisance of yourself. If you request a shrine to a spirit who you had no way of reasonably knowing was hanging out at Whateley, you would likely be simply informed of your error rather than punished."Anyone who makes a request to erect such a worship space will be severely punished. Any avatar who requests or otherwise gives approval to devotees will be even more severely punished or expelled. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?"
Of course, there is nothing stopping them from denying you a list of forbidden spirits and generally being petty, especially if you have historically tended to antagonize administration or otherwise caused problems. In that event, you should simply refrain from asking for permission to build any dedicated shrine to anybody at all. If your traditions demand otherwise, well, you frankly need better traditions. The overwhelming majority of Americans would not support the notion that your religious traditions entitle you to build structures on other people's property. Individual property rights trump religious obligations.
That said, Carson's ruling is primarily about asking for permission to construct structures or claim public spaces. The first half of the rant (the part I omitted) can be interpreted to cover even a private little area set in your half of your dorm room, but it's unlikely anybody would actually care about that unless you made a big deal about it or were disruptive. And as I said earlier, it's a rant, not the actual rule. The actual rule is likely more clear about what is and is not covered.
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She's both right and wrong about the shrine. It wouldn't even have to have a enshrined kami to work as an energy store.
Hell, the Temple itself isn't really needed for the storage parts.
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WOG here. Note, if you parse Carson's words, you will find the following two stipulations.
Anyone who asks to erect a shrine to a current student will be punished.
and the key one:
Any avatar who asks to have a shrine or other worship space erected to worship that student's spirit will be severely punished and possibly expelled.
Okay, so let's take cases. John Q. Lonewolf recognizes that Kayda has Ptesanwi's spirit. He wishes to worship Ptesanwi, so he asks administration (because he missed the briefing). Trouble. Punished. 2000 word essay, referenced and source? Hawthorne toilets? Groundskeeping picking up acorns? All viable. First time, probably light. Let's take the second case. Kayda asks John Q Lonewolf to build a shrine to her and Ptesanwi. Kayda has asked for something to worship her spirit. Severe punishment, including being expelled. Much more severe than John Q Lonewolf asking on his own.
Do you see the difference here?
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@elrod: As I read what you said, the 'public space' part seems important here as well. A small shrine set up in someone's room, or in a private space such as a lab, would probably not be punished, so long as they didn't go inviting others to it. I imagine household-type shrines have been made inside dorm rooms before, even if we don't count things like Jadis' collection of White Witch related items.
Mind you, if it was set up in a hidden room in the tunnel areas, and the administration found out, it probably would be punished, if only because it is using an area that is either unlisted (someone dug the room out without permission, even if it was long before the ones now using it came along), or intended for school use but currently unused (though there seem to be plenty of rooms which got built, but were never used, and then were surreptitiously removed from the plans and maps by any one of a number of parties).
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elrodw wrote: Anyone who asks to erect a shrine to a current student will be punished.
Okay, so let's take cases. John Q. Lonewolf recognizes that Kayda has Ptesanwi's spirit. He wishes to worship Ptesanwi, so he asks administration (because he missed the briefing). Trouble. Punished. 2000 word essay, referenced and source? Hawthorne toilets? Groundskeeping picking up acorns? All viable. First time, probably light.
Just to clarify - suppose John Q Lonewolf makes a small shrine in his room, or worships without a shrine or sacred space, just does his homage/prayer/sacrifice (not goats!) to Ptesanwi. Free exercise of religion and would be permitted. As long as he doesn't ask to erect a dedicated public space to Ptesanwi, he's okay.
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Kettlekorn wrote:
So, everybody else seems to be missing your point here. It looks like you're specifically responding to this bit of Carson's rant:null0trooper wrote: So the answer is still no, the students affected by the ban will never be told which gods and kami they are forbidden to worship according to their traditions, simply detained or expelled.
"Anyone who makes a request to erect such a worship space will be severely punished. Any avatar who requests or otherwise gives approval to devotees will be even more severely punished or expelled. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?"
Exactly.
Kettlekorn wrote: That said, Carson's ruling is primarily about asking for permission to construct structures or claim public spaces. The first half of the rant (the part I omitted) can be interpreted to cover even a private little area set in your half of your dorm room, but it's unlikely anybody would actually care about that unless you made a big deal about it or were disruptive.
I do tend to interpret "any" as "any", yes.
Likewise, I interpret "student's spirit" as pertaining to the spirit, not just the student holding it.
As to the idea that nobody would actually care unless the student made a big deal about it or were disruptive? I'd be hard-pressed to agree with that.
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We're talking about construction of a public space for worship... it's not going to be allowed. And they won't look favorably toward unauthorized use of private spaces as well if someone were to keep it secret.
This is specifically in conjunction with the worship of individuals present at the school. BUT, they are also not going to allow shrines/temples to be erected for other religions and beliefs unchecked as well. Just like anything else on campus... there ARE limits. The approximate space of the general campus is ONLY a half-mile and the school has to plan ANY external construction and keep track of what is where underground in order to keep things structurally sound.
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elrodw wrote: I'm starting to wish I'd never written the damned piece.
You just needed to tie in the popsicle-stick skyscraper. Or the giant magnifying glass. Or the exploding puddings. Or the escalator to nowhere.
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