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Question The Autumn Leaves

7 years 9 months ago #1 by Arcanist Lupus
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    • A new G2 story by EE, which currently appears to have been waylaid on the way to publication.

    We haven't seen much of Nick since he and AJ arrived at Whateley. I wonder what trouble he's gotten into?
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    7 years 9 months ago #2 by E. E. Nalley
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    • Should be fixed now
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    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #3 by Katssun
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    • Well...I suppose that answers that. Jennifer's mysterious past and the reason she's so good at stealing jewels is because...

    Somebody made a very good psychic impression on her that stuck. :cheer:

    It all sorts of adds up at this point. Wicked is "Jennifer Kelly" on paper. Jennifer Kelly in 2016 is an amnesiac jewel thief who doesn't know why she knows what Whateley is, looks like someone Kayda and Lanie miss dearly, is in a lesbian relationship, is "a lot tougher than she looks," dresses fashionably, acts with professionalism and grace, coiled reflexes, curvy, and gives off the air of a secret agent.

    Gee...who could that be.

    Also, trouble in paradise city for Mr. and Mrs. Cody? Say it ain't so!
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    • As painful as this was, I would like to know more.
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    7 years 9 months ago #6 by Katssun
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    • All the clues are there, thanks to our sly and shifty Gen 2 authors.

    IDTWIKA 4, Good Cop/Bad Cop, Laura and the Village, now Autumn Leaves, and Kodiak Conspiracy 1.
    7 years 9 months ago #7 by Yolandria
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    • First we have a nice upbeat JG story...Now we have this little scene...Thanks EE for the swift kick... bastard! ( Love you anyways!)
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    • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.


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    7 years 9 months ago #9 by E. E. Nalley
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    • Didn't I promise you fireworks? And it's only the seventh...

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    7 years 9 months ago #10 by Katssun
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    • Hypothetically, does anything different happen to psychics or espers when they're hit with Laura's neural disruptor?
    7 years 9 months ago #11 by Arcanist Lupus
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    • EE, you managed to pack a great deal of heartbreak in a very small story.


    Although now I'm starting to wonder what percentage of the people remembered in the Remembrance Garden are actually dead. I'm guessing that it's most of them, but that the percentage is still significantly lower than the usual for such spaces.
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    7 years 9 months ago #12 by Phoenix Spiritus
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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote: EE, you managed to pack a great deal of heartbreak in a very small story.


    Although now I'm starting to wonder what percentage of the people remembered in the Remembrance Garden are actually dead. I'm guessing that it's most of them, but that the percentage is still significantly lower than the usual for such spaces.


    They are all 'dead'... for certain definitions of 'dead'
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #13 by Rose Bunny
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    • Death is a rather flexible term in the Whateley U. Take Card Trick, for example. She was exposed to a Class X entity, and while her body lives, for all intents and purposes her "soul", that undefinable thing that made her...her is gone. Even if she can be rehabilitated and retaught and relearn all the essential functions of life, the person she would be would not be the same person she was. I would imagine she is listed somewhere in the garden.

    ... Hmm.
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    7 years 9 months ago #14 by Anne
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    • This one left me in tears. And need I say it again, to the authors here, you all are an awesome bunch! Two hard hitting stories today. Let no one complain about the length of the stories or how often they appear. Remember these stories are only paid for in our appreciation.
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    • WhenI read the title I half expected the lyrics to be from Forever Autumn.
    7 years 9 months ago #16 by Domoviye
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    • Having not heard the song in years my first thought when I saw the title was a song by Canadian group called Billy Talent.
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    This was a great short story. It had all the necessary emotion, with no fat or superfluous parts.
    Can't say much more than that.
    7 years 9 months ago #17 by Arcanist Lupus
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    • Domoviye wrote: Having not heard the song in years my first thought when I saw the title was a song by Canadian group called Billy Talent.

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    This was a great short story. It had all the necessary emotion, with no fat or superfluous parts.
    Can't say much more than that.

    That song is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike the one by Nat King Cole. :D


    On the other hand, if you're looking for an alternative title/title song, Forever Autumn (by Jeff Wayne, Gary Osborne and Paul Vigrass) is a good fit.
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    7 years 9 months ago #18 by annachie
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    • Points up thread two posts

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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Domoviye wrote: Having not heard the song in years my first thought when I saw the title was a song by Canadian group called Billy Talent.

    This was a great short story. It had all the necessary emotion, with no fat or superfluous parts.
    Can't say much more than that.

    That song is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike the one by Nat King Cole. :D


    On the other hand, if you're looking for an alternative title/title song, Forever Autumn (by Jeff Wayne, Gary Osborne and Paul Vigrass) is a good fit.]

    Yeah, but I listen to punk and rock a lot. Nat King Cole, I'll listen to, but usually only if it's someone else's or on the radio.
    And hey, Autumn leaves, Falling Leaves are similar.
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    • Hmm, so which of the Wyatt kids is Tansy's?
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    • The Justin Hayward version is also rather appropriate for Whateley, considering the album in which it featured (another track of which could potentially be appropriate for the events concerning the hole in Chou's tapestry)...

    As others have alluded to, there are several interpretations of death in the Whateleyverse. Aside from the conventional definition, there's body (but not spirit) death, spirit (but not body) death, bureaucratic death (forced in the case of Folder, intentional in the case of Jared [pre-manifestation Jade]), personality/persona deaths (possibly Tansy, if the clues do add up to her being Jennifer Kelly, rather than the Canon playing games with us by feeding us smoked, dyed Clupea harengus...) In all cases, those only familiar with the original person / identity will consider them conventionally dead, and in many cases, those who survive with a new identity will consider their old identity dead.
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    • I think maybe Jennifer Kelly isn't Tansy, she's someone else.

    What's become of Lanath in gen 2 again?
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    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #23 by Schol-R-LEA
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    • konzill wrote: Hmm, so which of the Wyatt kids is Tansy's?


    I don't think any of them are, but if one of them is, it would have to be Stephen, since Connie and Wyatt Junior are twins. Note that Stephen is 3, which means if he is Tansy's, he would have been only a few months old when she died.
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    • Schol-R-LEA wrote:

    konzill wrote: Hmm, so which of the Wyatt kids is Tansy's?


    I don't think any of them are, but if one of them is, it would have to be Stephen, since Connie and Wyatt Junior are twins. Note that Stephen is 3, which means if he is Tansy's, he would have been only a few months old when she died.


    Stephen would work. As for it not being possible for it to be one of the twins, stranger things have happened at Whatley., and in this case all three of the parents involved are avatars, and one of their spirts was involved in the twins conception.

    The thing that made me suspect this was the line of dialogue that Laura interrupts: "and I promise I'll take care of...”

    If Jennifer Kelly is Tansy, and remember we had the scene establishing that she has had children, then it would make sense that Lanie was about to name Tansy's child.
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    7 years 9 months ago #25 by E. E. Nalley
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    • mittfh wrote: Aside from the conventional definition, there's body (but not spirit) death, spirit (but not body) death, bureaucratic death (forced in the case of Folder, intentional in the case of Jared [pre-manifestation Jade]), personality/persona deaths (possibly Tansy, if the clues do add up to her being Jennifer Kelly, rather than the Canon playing games with us by feeding us smoked, dyed Clupea harengus...)


    Would I do that? Feed you all false clues to deliberately mislead you? Why would I do that when watching you miss relevant clues and obsess on details taking you down primrose paths to completely wrong, but fascinating theories is SO much more fun? And this way, you guys do all the heavy lifting!

    But of course that has nothing to do with anything and you all have me figured out. Honest.

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    • i know what;'s happening, have read this many times, and it still chokes me up. that's good writing.

    and after reading all the speculation, all i can say is SNERK :roflmao:
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    • It is fun watching readers come to fantastically wrong conclusions, or come really close to the truth only to veer off into the wild. Especially when you do nothing to actively lie about things.
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    7 years 9 months ago #28 by E. E. Nalley
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    • Who,
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    • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Who,


    In a heartbeat. Faster, if possible. You get jollies out of it. Lots of them.

    I eagerly await what happens next.
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    • EE, Thanks for this gut punching tear jerking bit. As always well done. Learning that a character that I have hated and liked is now gone in some form was rough. Waiting with abated breath to see what comes.

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    • Iwasforger03 wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Who,


    In a heartbeat. Faster, if possible. You get jollies out of it. Lots of them.


    That's really not fair. E. E. really doesn't lie much, if at all.

    He's an absolute master of the deceptively incomplete truth, however. :evil:
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    • OtherEric wrote:
    That's really not fair. E. E. really doesn't lie much, if at all.

    He's an absolute master of the deceptively incomplete truth, however. :evil:


    But isn't that still lying by omission?

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    not saying anyone is a lair just, pointing that out.
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    • Ebola wrote:

    OtherEric wrote:
    That's really not fair. E. E. really doesn't lie much, if at all.

    He's an absolute master of the deceptively incomplete truth, however. :evil:


    But isn't that still lying by omission?

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    not saying anyone is a lair just, pointing that out.


    I hope no one is "lair".
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    • Ebola wrote:

    OtherEric wrote:
    That's really not fair. E. E. really doesn't lie much, if at all.

    He's an absolute master of the deceptively incomplete truth, however. :evil:


    But isn't that still lying by omission?


    Rob? That's a naughty word, we never rob! We just sort of...borrow...a bit from those that can afford it!

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    • Domoviye wrote:

    Ebola wrote:

    OtherEric wrote:
    That's really not fair. E. E. really doesn't lie much, if at all.

    He's an absolute master of the deceptively incomplete truth, however. :evil:


    But isn't that still lying by omission?

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    not saying anyone is a lair just, pointing that out.


    I hope no one is "lair".


    No one is. I just 'hope' I understand EE's decisions to create meaningful plot points and key character development through the use of unreliable narrators, red herrings, and misinformation. That way it will be fun to finger wag at EE and say "Oh you! You got us good!" when everything is revealed.
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    • Ebola wrote: No one is. I just 'hope' I understand EE's decisions to create meaningful plot points and key character development through the use of unreliable narrators, red herrings, and misinformation. That way it will be fun to finger wag at EE and say "Oh you! You got us good!" when everything is revealed.


    Oh I'll do you one better. I'll give my word that, after the dust and fall out from this tzar bomba settles, I'll pull aside the curtain and give you behind the scenes and walk you all right down the primrose path and point out every little clue and hint so wonderfully missed, over looked, wrong concluded or case of 2+2=5. And not a soul can said we didn't put it out to be solved.

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    • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Ebola wrote: No one is. I just 'hope' I understand EE's decisions to create meaningful plot points and key character development through the use of unreliable narrators, red herrings, and misinformation. That way it will be fun to finger wag at EE and say "Oh you! You got us good!" when everything is revealed.


    Oh I'll do you one better. I'll give my word that, after the dust and fall out from this tzar bomba settles, I'll pull aside the curtain and give you behind the scenes and walk you all right down the primrose path and point out every little clue and hint so wonderfully missed, over looked, wrong concluded or case of 2+2=5. And not a soul can said we didn't put it out to be solved.

    :twisted:


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    • Given the Canon's fondness for seemingly inconsequential events all contributing to the Big Picture, it's possible that whoever Jennifer Kelly is/was, the past is starting to catch up with her - the earlier revealed nugget where she somehow recalled that Whateley was significant somehow may be the first one of the first cracks in her amnesia.

    If she was Tansy, then presumably whatever happened in 2013 was significant enough to have everyone around believe she was dead, as well as something happening to Mustang (since spirits are presumably separate to their host's brain [so are themselves largely unaffected by acquired brain injury], but possibly connected to them - I don't know if Canon have ever considered the biology of Hallows of whether, as with many aspects of mutants, even in-universe it's unknown).
    As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
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    • The thing I find amusing about Jennifer is that aiming for Hakuna Matata and avoiding her past is a terrible idea because it puts her in danger when her past comes looking for her. Even if she doesn't want to know any details because she fears a relapse, she should have a friend* do at least rudimentary research so that she can have a better chance of not dying when her past catches up with her. And she would probably recognize those dangers herself - had her amnesia locked away her knowledge of how to safely navigate the waters of heros and villains. Additionally, she would probably be aware that not every villain has the moral fiber of a rock - that some are decent human beings (better than some heroes I could name). But of course she's forgotten that too.


    * I was going to add "or family member" before remembering that she has no clue who any of her family is.
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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote: The thing I find amusing about Jennifer is that aiming for Hakuna Matata and avoiding her past is a terrible idea because it puts her in danger when her past comes looking for her.


    Isn't that the typical thing when you have an amnesiac that wants to forget their past? That their past doesn't forget about them?

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    • Malady wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: The thing I find amusing about Jennifer is that aiming for Hakuna Matata and avoiding her past is a terrible idea because it puts her in danger when her past comes looking for her.


    Isn't that the typical thing when you have an amnesiac that wants to forget their past? That their past doesn't forget about them?

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    Well, of course. My point was that Jennifer would be aware of this fact - if it wasn't for the amnesia.
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    • Domoviye wrote:

    Ebola wrote: not saying anyone is a lair just, pointing that out.


    I hope no one is "lair".
    Unless you were the size of Teri there wouldn't be much room to move around, renovations would be a pain, and cleaning would be impossible.


    I'm pretty sure that ABBY would count as a lair. Or several. OK, technically she isn't one herself, she's an AI, but she does control all the systems in the Harrows' mansion (and if anyone's home counts as a lair, theirs does), as well as Dr. Lucifer's labs and their various safe houses, so close enough.
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