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Question The Angel and Cecil Barrows!

7 years 8 months ago #1 by Yolandria
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    7 years 8 months ago #4 by NJM1564
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    • Wow I had to run over to the wiki to make sure. I thought for a bit that his original name was Darrow. As in Charles Upton Darrow the Necromancer Sara's uncle.
    It would be mad if he was related to Sara even distantly... Is it to late to make a change to his name?
    7 years 8 months ago #5 by Katssun
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    • So who is this angel, and why can they do what they did, granting him "true sight" and altering his appearance?

    Something seems very off.

    Kerry's connection with the upper planes leads me to believe that that sort of thing is all very abstract, and not nearly so...direct.
    7 years 8 months ago #6 by Hardric
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    • Katssun wrote: So who is this angel, and why can they do what they did, granting him "true sight" and altering his appearance?

    Something seems very off.

    Kerry's connection with the upper planes leads me to believe that that sort of thing is all very abstract, and not nearly so...direct.


    That and the very distinct absence of an happy family for Englund... There are many, many ways it could have gone wrong.

    It also sheds a rather interesting light on Englund. Surprisng the sort of past some people can have.
    7 years 8 months ago #7 by Sir Lee
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    • OTOH, Merry had much more direct connections (and conversations) with what we could call, for the sake of objectivity, supernatural entities which are object of religious practices. And then we have Miyet, who is a Paladin of Bast, Okami, who is the Avatar/Paladin of Amaterasu, and the New Olympians, who are the Greek Gods.
    So there are several kinds of Supernatural/Divine Beings who meddle in Earthly affairs pretty much all the time.
    Note, however, that the alleged angel didn't actually claim to be a member of the staff of the Judeo-Christian God. He just said that Cecil could think of him as his Guardian Angel. He is some sort of supernatural being, all right, and he managed some very impressive feats of magic/miracles, but exactly what he is is not clear. For all that we know, he was Gothmog in disguise.
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    7 years 8 months ago #8 by Ametros
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    • And so we have a glimpse of Englund's formative years, and it sheds some light on his character, and his personal crusade. But it raises so very many questions.

    Has he been excising this evil he sees from people at Whateley? If so, who?
    As mentioned by Katssun and Sir Lee, what is this "guardian angel" and what are their motives?
    Do we perhaps know his daughter, Celia? A search mentions Celia Rogers of course, but otherwise just two mentions in "The Real MCO", which I find doubtful. Compounded by the fact that a pseudonym is rather likely to be used. No meaningful mention of a Jasmine, either.

    The Angel and Cecil Barrows wrote: “You? Clean the world? Is that your oath? That if I spare you now every day from now until you are again come for you will cleanse the world of evil and do the Lord's work? Is that Your Oath?”

    I for one find this Oath rather ambiguous and ill-defined, which concerns me greatly. Whom is he serving? To which Lord has he made this pledge? What evil is he cleansing, and does it align with what would generally be deemed thus? While according to all accounts, he has certainly saved the world from a number of evils accepted as such by others, that by no means demonstrates solid answers on the matter.

    I hope that we aren't left hanging with this teaser about Reverend Englund for too long, but I certainly understand if it takes time for a followup.
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    7 years 8 months ago #9 by null0trooper
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    • Sir Lee wrote: He is some sort of supernatural being, all right, and he managed some very impressive feats of magic/miracles, but exactly what he is is not clear. For all that we know, he was Gothmog in disguise.


    The worst part is that the methods used are sufficiently cruel that Gothmog could pull that off under the Rules he's supposed to be held to. There's no laws that prohibit Lucy N. DePitt from practicing a little social darwinism on anything stupid enough to get caught, either.

    Regardless, I wasn't expecting Englund's upbringing to have been that cold and sociopathic.
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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #10 by Sir Lee
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    • About "Celia": I very much doubt that she is Ms. Rogers. For one thing, Ms. Rogers' first name is Cecilia, not Celia (although it seems that some people shorten it to "Celia").
    Also, Celia would be over 70 by Gen1, while Ms. Rogers is described as looking "in her twenties." Yes, there are slow-aging people around, but that would require her to be in Lady Astarte's category or perhaps even higher. Not an absolute impediment, but a complication.

    I don't think Ms. Rogers' skin tone has ever been described, though, so Celia's café-au-lait complexion shouldn't be an impediment.

    (By the way, this story gives us a quite good approximation for Englund's age -- we now know that he apparently was born in 1919).
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    7 years 8 months ago #11 by E. E. Nalley
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    • The Kodiak Conspiracy Chapter Five wrote:

    May 4th, 2007
    Rogers' Fabric Boutique, Dunwich, NH

    “Trish!” exclaimed the young woman who looked up from the counter as Elaine and Mrs. Savage entered the shop. She left what she was doing and came forward to give the tall House-Mother a hug. “It's always so good to see you!”

    Mrs. Savage hugged the young woman back then held her out at arms length. “How have you been, Celia? Staying out of trouble?”

    Immediately the woman seemed to become a young teenager again. “Yes, Mrs. Savage,” she said with a grin. The two women laughed and Trish gave Elaine a wink.

    “Celia is one of my alumni,” the House-Mother told her. “Class of '01. And quite the hell raiser in her day.” The other woman blushed while Mrs. Savage made introductory gestures. “Celia Rogers, Elaine Nalley.”

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    7 years 8 months ago #12 by Iwasforger03
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    • Class of 01 ould not be born in 1938. So Celia Rogers can't be the daughter of the Reverend Englund.
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    7 years 8 months ago #13 by Malady
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    • OMG. This is awesome! I saw his name in the tags, and I was like. What?

    If I was paying attention to my scroll bar, I would have known how short this was and read it sooner!

    That large gap between then and now. So many mys... How is he connected to the Mystic Six? I'm sure there was mention of some connection there! ... And with Mr. Lodgeman as well.
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    • Yes, I was bringing up mentions of any "Celia" and then dismissed what few were found. Obviously I was ambiguous in my point that I thought it was a case of Englund's daughter not having been shown previously - unless under a pseudonym.
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    7 years 8 months ago #15 by Iwasforger03
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    • What if Englund's daughter was Cirque and that's why he feels the way he does? No, that doesn't quite track though, since he seems to have felt romantic love/ (or just lust) towards Cirque... yet...
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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #16 by Malady
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    • ^ Main Problem: Cirque was Mystic Six. Meaning she was older than Englund.

    By... 20 years?

    If he was lusting after her, that means his 1st wife died already? ...

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    7 years 8 months ago #17 by jmhyp
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    • Actually the real question this story raises is: Rev Englund? Haven't really seen him since Seraphim hit the stage. What future storyline is this prelude to?
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    • jmhyp wrote: Actually the real question this story raises is: Rev Englund? Haven't really seen him since Seraphim hit the stage. What future storyline is this prelude to?


    He shows up again in "The Kodiak Conspiracy, Part 1" . There should be a story shaking up club, group, and team seating in the Crystal Hall as a result of Englund's sponsorship of the Atlantean League. If they talk shop, it cannot be anywhere that Fey, Tennyo (plus Generator), or Chou (or the Tao) might overhear.

    So... consider him involved or interested in those ongoing storylines.
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    7 years 8 months ago #19 by Valentine
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    • jmhyp wrote: Actually the real question this story raises is: Rev Englund? Haven't really seen him since Seraphim hit the stage. What future storyline is this prelude to?


    He shows up in a few Eldritch stories, just long enough to run away.
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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #20 by Katssun
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    • Maybe another Goobers crash is on the way, but this time, they pretend-summon Imp, Melissa and Trixie?

    Rev. Englund facepalms again, but finds nothing but sweetness and light around Imp's shoulders.
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    • As for what Englund's officially up to at Whateley, I think it was mentioned in an earlier story (perhaps one of Sara's?) that he's quite useful in the fight against Class X entitites in the neighbourhood - I think it's the main reason he's kept on, despite his religious rhetoric and attempt to assassinate Sara at Halloween 2006.

    (Hopefully Branwen will return at some point over the next few years and be afflicted with an irresistable urge to take Sara out of limbo)
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    • mittfh wrote: As for what Englund's officially up to at Whateley, I think it was mentioned in an earlier story (perhaps one of Sara's?) that he's quite useful in the fight against Class X entitites in the neighbourhood - I think it's the main reason he's kept on, despite his religious rhetoric and attempt to assassinate Sara at Halloween 2006.

    (Hopefully Branwen will return at some point over the next few years and be afflicted with an irresistable urge to take Sara out of limbo)


    "He is the only person ever known to have actually killed a Great Old One."

    That's from the Wiki, but I am fairly sure it was mentioned somewhere. He was also very important in clearing the Class X stuff from around Whateley. He may very well be the Staff member with the most seniority, having begun working for Whately before it reopened as a school for mutants.
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    • I was saying, Englund hasn't been seen MEANINGFULLY, as in doing actual things, since he left the grounds of Whateley and went to NYC to retrieve Seraphim. I know he pops up in subsequent stories but they are basically walk on roles.
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    • Everybody has been too distracted by Kayda and Lanie's escapades and the kitty person of suspect sexuality to pay any attention to the preachy old guy.
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    • Kettlekorn wrote: Everybody has been too distracted by Kayda and Lanie's escapades and the kitty person of suspect sexuality to pay any attention to the preachy old guy.


    Which is as it should be!
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    • Reverend Englund? Not doing anything? For eight months? You don't know us very well, do you?

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    • Training the Goobers to not be an embarrassment?

    Convincing Seraphim that no, she isn't obligated to join the Catholic Church after she graduates, just because she was re-baptized.

    Finding the stragglers that Sandra didn't eviscerate during the Night that Nobody Slept in Whitman?

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    • I suspect, if Englund already has the Goobers fighting monsters, that they are slightly less incompetent than we have been led to believe.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: I suspect, if Englund already has the Goobers fighting monsters, that they are slightly less incompetent than we have been led to believe.


    Then again, at least one of his core team members (Ecto-Tek) thinks Harry Wolfe counts as a monster. That's a low bar indeed.

    From a practical standpoint, most of the Goobers leave Whateley for the summer just like everyone else, so it's unlikely that he's had them training the entire time. For all we know, Petra's dropped by a couple of times for Special Herp Deliveries.
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: I said slightly.


    I was hoping for less irony behind the statement :)
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    • Iwasforger03 wrote: I said slightly.


    If they've been fighting actual monsters and are only slightly less incompetent than we've been led to believe, they're all dead.

    Seriously, if they're fighting actual monsters and surviving the experience, they are vastly more competent than they have previously been portrayed. Which shouldn't really surprise us, since Whateley is full of cases where characters are portrayed as complete morons only to show up as actually capable when that suits the needs of the plot and the interpretation of the many different and differently unreliable narrators who are telling us these stories. When characters are shown as antagonists in these stories, we're not seeing them at their best. Not usually anyway. Except maybe Peeper, whose best is indistinguishable from his worst, I suspect.
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    • Jabbrwock wrote:

    Iwasforger03 wrote: I said slightly.


    If they've been fighting actual monsters and are only slightly less incompetent than we've been led to believe, they're all dead.

    Seriously, if they're fighting actual monsters and surviving the experience, they are vastly more competent than they have previously been portrayed. Which shouldn't really surprise us, since Whateley is full of cases where characters are portrayed as complete morons only to show up as actually capable when that suits the needs of the plot and the interpretation of the many different and differently unreliable narrators who are telling us these stories. When characters are shown as antagonists in these stories, we're not seeing them at their best. Not usually anyway. Except maybe Peeper, whose best is indistinguishable from his worst, I suspect.


    Not all of them have bin fighting actual monsters. Only a few select few. And much of that could be only as support for security. As of late the Wild Bunch and and the outcasts have probably bin taking out anything that was an issue while going after the bastards things. And the bastards things probably took out a lot of the competition.
    Also they are less incompetent than they are simply stupid/naive.
    One of them did break into the lovecraft room. And that room is supposedly alive and perhaps sentient. In fast I wouldn't be surprised if the room wasn't a former student.
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    • You have to remember that there are two different levels to the Goobers. There's larger club that's widely known (and mocked) around campus, which has its share of idiots; and there's an inner core that's not as well known that is very dedicated and well-trained. The thing is, the core group prefers to keep their actual competence and accomplishments a secret, and cultivate the image of "horror groupies" the outer group is associated with. I would bet that Nightbane deliberately exaggerates her "Buffy wannabe" image so she's not taken seriously.
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    • When thinking about the Goobers, it is well to remember that they nearly rolled OC. Now OC hadn't been considering that they would need to bring better than about their B game, but still... OC? Their B game is probably better than 90% of the teams they will ever face.
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