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Question Halloween Dance / Invasion Arc (In Search Of...)
- cherokee43v6
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I've scanned through the forums and haven't found a topic that covers this. Perhaps, if there is interest, this topic could be 'stickied' for others searching out specific stories.
I recently started a re-read from the beginning, using the 'by publication date' list and have reached 'Devils Dance 1 & 2' however they end just as the fight actually starts. Before I go too much further, I'd really like to read the rest of Halloween 2006. It has literally been years since I last read those. Can anyone point me to the remaining story(ies) related to those events?
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- E M Pisek
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As for Halloween story arc I point to the following whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/old-...istra-is-now-bannned . As I believe she is the creator of it.
As you have noted there are a lot of stickies but there is a lot of backdated info there as well. And as we all know time holds back nobody or old msgs. Unfortunately there is a lot of talk already about previous stories that have not been either completed/lost/or removed. You will find info if you look hard enough about characters that people are fond of but have in essence put on a plane/train/bus or slow moving trike. This was not because of wanting to but because of needing to with the creative authors having left for various reasons and the hope they would one day return. You will also find info of where readers have suggested others take over the mantel but there are several reasons such as ownership/creativity/ and just plain not wanting to due to new authors having their own characters here now.
This is not to say they won't but really can't because readers will find nuances that only the originator could effectively show. This is there to and has been stated many times over but alas it keeps coming back. Why? Sorry to say because people don't care to read older msgs and the numbers creep up exponentially as new stories are released.
So if you find any stories with said characters you favor they may only be for ref and so forth and so on. Its at time a touchy subject because for many of us all its painful.
Also as for creating 'New' topics that are unrelated I'm sure you'll understand why its not done fully. This is a site about Whateley and some various deviations to it. This is only blessed by the cabal I'm sure as things can get unruly when you have other stories that don't pertain to what the sites about. Oh don't take me wrong, there are a 'LOT' of off topics but they generally die out never to be looked at again.
And of course if your looking for specific stories and can't find them its either as I've stated above, removed, lost and so forth. One of the best offered areas to look is at ' crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Whateley_Academy_Wiki .' A lot of people put in their free time to keep it updated and expanded. Sir Lee being the foremost but many others, whom I applaud. To put up a list here would be useless as its like a stream and in constant motion.
Please don't knock the capabilities of the search engine that's been brought up also and unless you have time/experience/or money to which many have eluded to as its been said/kicked/beat and throttled. The people that provide you these stories do it as a labor of love, want and in some cases need. And as they say please don't knock what you get for free, because they are underpaid, overworked and malnourished at times as they put their creative thoughts to words and play.
So there you have it. Your not the first and won't be the last. Maybe perhaps a message such as this would be better served in the Public Announcements as a must read for returning readers and to hopefully slow down what many have said before.
What is - was. What was - is.
- DanZilla
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cherokee43v6 wrote: *Please read the topic subject in your best Leonard Nimoy impersonation*
I've scanned through the forums and haven't found a topic that covers this. Perhaps, if there is interest, this topic could be 'stickied' for others searching out specific stories.
I recently started a re-read from the beginning, using the 'by publication date' list and have reached 'Devils Dance 1 & 2' however they end just as the fight actually starts. Before I go too much further, I'd really like to read the rest of Halloween 2006. It has literally been years since I last read those. Can anyone point me to the remaining story(ies) related to those events?
The Insanity Prerequisite stories tied in closely leading up to it and part 4 picks up where the Devil's Dance parts leave off...
here's a link for part 4
whateleyacademy.net/index.php/original-t...-prerequisite-part-4
- Sir Lee
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- Kristin Darken
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E M Pisek wrote: Also as for creating 'New' topics that are unrelated I'm sure you'll understand why its not done fully. This is a site about Whateley and some various deviations to it. This is only blessed by the cabal I'm sure as things can get unruly when you have other stories that don't pertain to what the sites about. Oh don't take me wrong, there are a 'LOT' of off topics but they generally die out never to be looked at again.
While we appreciate your intent to help and/or head off unnecessary complaints, please leave actual moderating to the staff. For one thing, we recommend that people continue the 'same' thread where it makes sense to - there's no need to start a new feedback thread for a story just because you didn't read it the first month the story came out. But its not a 'rule'. Neither is posting a new thread about something that was discussed in the past. Typically, when we raise a concern about something that has already been discussed... its not the fact that someone started a new thread about it that is problematic, its that the issue was already discussed and/or answered... and having to repeat all the points of a conversation and answer it again takes our time, when it could have been looked up in old threads and thus only used the that one person's time. We don't care if someone starts hundreds of new threads about various different topics... we just don't want to waste author/staff time repeating an answer that you already had access to if you'd just taken a little time to look for it.
We also don't have any limitations on topics outside the anti-flamewar ones: ie restrictions on politics, religion, and the choice between apple/PC. Any topic that you want to talk about, Whateley or not, is welcome here... as long as it doesn't lead to pissing people off or chasing away authors. (This one is where I am coming from when I say not to speak for moderators/staff - don't state things as if they are policy if you are not clear on policy).
*MODERATOR HAT*
Now... I'm going to leave this thread active in the Stories/Arcs section as a 'discussion' on the Halloween Arc. That opens it up to listings of what stories people might consider as the totality of that arc. Does it start with IP1? Or are their precursers? What pieces put in by Diane in the interim help complete the story until IP4 was finally added? Does any of the Eldritch early story still count as part of the arc?
As well as any normal 'story' type discussion.
However... all these other posts about moderation, search engines, the wiki... please make it go away, otherwise I will move the thread to something more general because as it reads right now, its not a useful discussion to anyone and sounds more like it needs to below in the suggestions section or just removed completely except for the initial request for information.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Malady
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The arc should probably be called the Halloween Dance Arc, or the Invasion Arc, as its mainly about the Invasion, and Eldritch and stuff, are Aftermath, which goes on for a while...
- cherokee43v6
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Topic Author
The other portion of the original post was a recognition that there are no easily found threads where this type of question could be asked and a suggestion that this could be such a thread for those with a question on finding a particular story quickly (when they cannot remember the author/title) without having to spend hours wading through hundreds of posts and multiple (and many times unknown) alternate source sites.
The old Crystal Hall community was actually EXCELLENT at this. I find that I am becoming rather disappointed with the current community.
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- Malady
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Kirstin is doing the best she can, I'd say, its just that what we've got, can't compare to what we had?
The previous separation of forums and stories, made us think differently about navigation between both.
- Schol-R-LEA
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This isn't to say such a discussion can't be re-started here, and some have. I think that a lot of those reading this assumed that this was what Cherokee43v6 was trying to do, even if they started simply by asking which story was the follow up to "The Devil's Dance".
As already stated, this would be "Insanity Prerequisite, Part 4" , which is part of the larger Sara story arc started in "A Simple Game" ; the first , second , and third parts of "Insanity Prerequisite" cover the events after Team Kimba's confrontation with the Goths and the Whateley Academy Martial Arts Cheerleaders.
You might be wondering why this is the case. Well, the truth is, "The Devil's Dance" was a side-story, not the main story. The Halloween Invasion arc was part of the larger story arc about Sara's struggle with the part of herself that was The Kellith, as well as the conflicts with Rev. Englund and the Goobers. "The Devil's Dance" was written to give the perspectives of people who weren't directly involved in that storyline, but who were inevitably affected by the invasion at its culmination, in the moments before the invasion began.
To really understand what was going on in the Halloween Invasion, you would have needed to read the earlier parts of "Insanity Prerequisite", but for anyone not interested in the Carmilla stories, that wasn't really necessary - until the Invasion itself is underway, because the course of that is tied directly to Sara's story.
The invasion itself is entirely in IP4, and without having read most of the earlier parts of IP, there are key sections of it that won't make sense.
Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
- E M Pisek
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I'm tired of being the fool even in jest so with no further adieu I will take my leave.
What is - was. What was - is.
- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Anne
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I quoted you in whole so you would know I'm talking to you.E M Pisek wrote: To those I have offended I appolgize. I was not trying to overstep any bounds, but like I have always done, I did. And as I usual do I did so in my usual fashion. Most of what I had written is wrong as I usually am 8/10 times hence why I usually don't comment like I once had. I should have known better and will leave this site to those that have better communications skills than me.
I'm tired of being the fool even in jest so with no further adieu I will take my leave.
So: a) please stay, if only as a bystander. b) I've seen a lot of your posts on active stories and find you are insightful rather than inciting. c) Please do not take criticism so personally. That is one big difficulty we have with online forums. People (myself included) tend to take any criticism as a personal attack on themselves.
The above said in c) People, we need to be careful with our words and not make what is not personal into a personal thing. That is why we strive not to discuss whether or not we are flaming socialists or flaming anarchocapitolists....
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- Kristin Darken
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cherokee43v6 wrote: The point here was not to start a whole discussion on this specific story arc. It was a request for specific information. Information that the second respondent provided in a clear and simple answer.
The other portion of the original post was a recognition that there are no easily found threads where this type of question could be asked and a suggestion that this could be such a thread for those with a question on finding a particular story quickly (when they cannot remember the author/title) without having to spend hours wading through hundreds of posts and multiple (and many times unknown) alternate source sites.
The old Crystal Hall community was actually EXCELLENT at this. I find that I am becoming rather disappointed with the current community.
The OLD Crystal Hall, like this one, had no one single location for people to ask for "where do i find arc X"... like here, people posted such questions in their own unique threads in the OOC section of the forums (equivalent to our current 'Quad' section). Alternately, they posted in the thread started about a specific story or character (both of which we also have)... except, as Schol pointed out... the new site obviously doesn't have threads specifically for stories that released prior to the new site being created.
Also... Danzilla and SirLee gave you the answer to what you were asking within 2-3 hrs of your post. So, other than EMPisek's overly zealous post... what is there to be disappointed by? The fact that I'm not going to sticky your idea in a forum section not designed for it?
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- cherokee43v6
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Topic Author
My comment about the 'community' centers on the fact that a simple question's first two responses were an attack on the location of the question and an immediate 'like' of said attack by another patron. You will notice in the logs that I also almost immediately thanked the patron who provided the requested answer to the question. I will admit that I did report said first reply to the mods as I felt it was an inappropriate reply to the request for information.
At that point I left the forums to READ said story, only to come back afterwards to find the whole thing had blown up like a random path crossing of the Alphas with Team Kimba.
A community is not a location, it is people. And while I know that the old community wasn't all roses and puppies, I recall us being rather better than that.
I sincerely apologize if I have ruffled peoples feathers with this, but I choose not to be a doormat.
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- joreymay
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cherokee43v6 wrote: A community is not a location, it is people. And while I know that the old community wasn't all roses and puppies, I recall us being rather better than that.
The nostalgia effect. The old community got so bad at times that it literally drove some of the canon authors away (some of whom have not been heard from since, even in other groups or universes) and caused some significant trauma to some authors. On the other hand, there were times when everything was great.
- Kristin Darken
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joreymay wrote:
cherokee43v6 wrote: A community is not a location, it is people. And while I know that the old community wasn't all roses and puppies, I recall us being rather better than that.
The nostalgia effect. The old community got so bad at times that it literally drove some of the canon authors away (some of whom have not been heard from since, even in other groups or universes) and caused some significant trauma to some authors. On the other hand, there were times when everything was great.
*nods* sadly. The community can be as good as any community can be... depending only on the work everyone involved puts into it.
In general, I'd say the reading community is in a bit of a slump right now. Only to be expected after a year of averaging more than two content releases per week and now having a couple months straight of only one release per week and that one not always being Whateley. Sort of a long version of the sugar hangover following Halloween or Easter. Some of our newer readers don't even go back and read the full canon anymore, because there is so much of it.
Also, I think its partly that we're not the only option on the web any more. So when they aren't reading here, people are reading sci-fi, fantasy, and comic stories elsewhere on the web... or reading independently published Kindle unlimited books. It's harder to keep an active forums community alive when people only visit the site long enough to add all the content since their last visit 2-5 weeks ago into their reader/phone to get to at their own convenience.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.