Question Fey / Nikki

Been enough discussion of Fey that she deserves her own thread, if not at least because she's the most beautiful girl on campus (at least for now!). Besides, there's a lot of concern about what EE and I did through RoS up to TPF.

She is only the second most beautiful girl on campus, Jade ruled so!

Valentine wrote: She is only the second most beautiful girl on campus, Jade ruled so!

Jade's biased opinion of Tennyo doesn't count.
And despite everything she is going through, it is bringing Nikki back to who she was before Aungy's influenced her too much. I remember the 1st stories, where Fey was kind, caring and fun-loving for the most part when not worrying about something. A return to that, even as just a background character now, is a good thing.

Until Penance I hadn't considered the horror of Grand Theft Me Nikki was undergoing, cause it was such a gradual thing once her body was shaped to Aung's liking. Makes me glad the Queen Who Was is gone for good.

One of the other posts raised a question in my mind.
Fey isn't an exemplar; shes a Wiz-7 and Esp-5 (according to her MID on the Wiki)

I believe its been said before Nick turned female because his spirit made him so.
But now that spirit is gone.

So whats stopping Fey from going back to being Nick? She doesnt have a BIT to worry about.

It's hard to tell. Fey isn't listed as an Avatar either.

The classification system is partly guesswork. She just might be an Ex-1 with a BIT shaped by Aunghandail's influence. AFAIK, there's no way to actually detect a BIT -- the researchers were pretty excited about Jinn because she was the first evidence they had that BITs actually existed, instead of being just a theoretical construct to explain some phenomena.

Sir Lee wrote: It's hard to tell. Fey isn't listed as an Avatar either.

The classification system is partly guesswork. She just might be an Ex-1 with a BIT shaped by Aunghandail's influence. AFAIK, there's no way to actually detect a BIT -- the researchers were pretty excited about Jinn because she was the first evidence they had that BITs actually existed, instead of being just a theoretical construct to explain some phenomena.

However in G1 we see multiple instances of BITS being at least examined, so there's a disontinuity there.

Astrodragon wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: It's hard to tell. Fey isn't listed as an Avatar either.

The classification system is partly guesswork. She just might be an Ex-1 with a BIT shaped by Aunghandail's influence. AFAIK, there's no way to actually detect a BIT -- the researchers were pretty excited about Jinn because she was the first evidence they had that BITs actually existed, instead of being just a theoretical construct to explain some phenomena.

However in G1 we see multiple instances of BITS being at least examined, so there's a disontinuity there.

The original draft of Whilst Any Speaks actually had Nikki turning back in to Nick. So why is she still Nikki? Cause Maggie says so.

E. E. Nalley wrote:

Astrodragon wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: It's hard to tell. Fey isn't listed as an Avatar either.

The classification system is partly guesswork. She just might be an Ex-1 with a BIT shaped by Aunghandail's influence. AFAIK, there's no way to actually detect a BIT -- the researchers were pretty excited about Jinn because she was the first evidence they had that BITs actually existed, instead of being just a theoretical construct to explain some phenomena.

However in G1 we see multiple instances of BITS being at least examined, so there's a disontinuity there.

The original draft of Whilst Any Speaks actually had Nikki turning back in to Nick. So why is she still Nikki? Cause Maggie says so.

Obviously!

However maybe it might be good to give some sort of believable reason why she stays a girl?

E. E. Nalley wrote:

Astrodragon wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: It's hard to tell. Fey isn't listed as an Avatar either.

The classification system is partly guesswork. She just might be an Ex-1 with a BIT shaped by Aunghandail's influence. AFAIK, there's no way to actually detect a BIT -- the researchers were pretty excited about Jinn because she was the first evidence they had that BITs actually existed, instead of being just a theoretical construct to explain some phenomena.

However in G1 we see multiple instances of BITS being at least examined, so there's a disontinuity there.

The original draft of Whilst Any Speaks actually had Nikki turning back in to Nick. So why is she still Nikki? Cause Maggie says so.

OMG! ... I would take that draft in place of an Monday Post! I might even want that in place of two Monday Posts! ... But, likely not going to happen.

Thanks for the info!

You can't unscramble an egg?

Just because the spirit dies, doesn't mean that in the absence of magic a physical change to the body will reverse.

Now if the change is a "glamour" or an illusion or something like that where constant effort is needed to keep up the appearance, then with the absence of Aunghadhail and lack of motivation on Nikki's part then it would reverse, but all indications are that this was a one way, once off event that changed the very DNA of Nick, meaning even with Aunghadhail dead the DNA is still changed.

Astrodragon wrote:
However maybe it might be good to give some sort of believable reason why she stays a girl?

Okay. Nikki is not an exemplar, and therefore she does not have a BIT. There is no overriding sense of how she should look that is forcing her body to comply with that mental picture. So just like anyone else who is grossly disfigured by magical means she stays the way she was changed because of the magic. It's no different if someone magically blew off someone's arm, you wouldn't expect a normal person to grow a new arm because the spell was over. It's a permanent effect. Nick being changed into Nikki is also a permanent effect.

There's a really great Avengers story arch called "Avengers disassembled! in which many, many interesting things happens which I won't spoil (except for a few small tidbits) for any future potential readers.
In it, Dr. Strange has to explain a basic fundamental fact about magic to the Avengers.

He basically says outright that Magic is REAL, period! If you get killed by magic, you're DEAD! If someone summons a monster from the other end of of the universe and it trashes something, you can't just "magically wave it all away" because Magic is real.

Aunghadhail, to me, she basically seems to be "magic". She changed Nick into Nikki through magical means. Aunghadhail dies, but Nikki remains Nikki because what Aunghadhail did before doesn't just go away simply because she dies.

Does this make any sense to you folks?

Also, in Nikki's case, Nikki was holding two partially separate things as I understood it. She had Aunghadhail's power, and Aunghadhail's spirit. She's lost the spirit, but she retains Aung's power, so it makes sense to me that she'd continue to be shaped by it.

Actually I forgot that, Nikki attracted Aunghadhail because she was the last 'piece' of her, her 'power'. It's stated in one of the stories that Aunghadhail was destined to be absorbed by Nikki, Nikki (and the power) were always the 'domanent' part, Aunghadhail couldn't go against her. From that reading it wasn't even Aunghadhail that changed Nikki, it was part of who,she always was that it would happen, the 'power' would see to that.

Remember Nikki isn't really an Avatar, she is the finally piece of Aunghadhail reborn, the other pieces, 'Aunghadhail' we're only temporarily 'seperate', when she fully matures they were going to just be absorbed and become her memories.

Presuming, of course, that Unga Bunga was being truthful when she told Nikki that. And even if she was telling the literal truth, Nikki could still have ended up becoming an Aunghadhail clone if the memory merging happened to quickly. I mean, if you look at the extreme case of Nikki eating Aunghadhail's spirit and getting all of Aunghadhail's memories in a matter of minutes, it would be functionally equivalent to Aunghadhail waking up from a dream of being Nikki even though it's actually Nikki's spirit that is active. And Aunghadhail has so much memory that it would have to be spread out over a very large amount of time to not just dilute the Nikki memories into irrelevance.

Kettlekorn wrote: Presuming, of course, that Unga Bunga was being truthful when she told Nikki that. And even if she was telling the literal truth, Nikki could still have ended up becoming an Aunghadhail clone if the memory merging happened to quickly. I mean, if you look at the extreme case of Nikki eating Aunghadhail's spirit and getting all of Aunghadhail's memories in a matter of minutes, it would be functionally equivalent to Aunghadhail waking up from a dream of being Nikki even though it's actually Nikki's spirit that is active. And Aunghadhail has so much memory that it would have to be spread out over a very large amount of time to not just dilute the Nikki memories into irrelevance.

In the Piers Anthony story "Macroscope", (spoiler warning), one of the main characters had two different personalities. One of them had a savant talent in patterns analysis, but apart from that he was mostly baseline human. The other personality had the equivalent level of savant talents but it was expressed in all aspects of his mind. The second personality was suppressed, so that the first personality had a small aspect of the overall capabilities, but also had the ability to unlock the other personality.

One of the main themes in the book, was how what you can do shapes the way that you look at the world. Unlocking more of the second personality's abilities and skills, would mean that the first personality was more at risk of being subsumed by the second.

Some chewy idea's in there.

Apply that theme to Nikki and Aunghadail, and this would explain why the Whateley Admin are trying to rein in her "older" half.

Some nicely chewy approaches towards the mind/body/spirit modelling problems, as well as to the overall "structure of the self" modelling. I need to read more Germanic mysticism, and the inter-linking, multi-part models of the self that they came up with.

This is one of the reasons that i like WU. I rarely get to stretch my mental muscles on idea's like this in my daily life.

What is Fey immune to, attack-wise?

Fire, from the Fire Spirit Seduction in Christmas Elves?

Lightning?, from the ability to treat it as Ley Lines, as seen in Jade 4: Bottle a Jinn?

Or is she not immune?

Malady wrote: What is Fey immune to, attack-wise?

Fire, from the Fire Spirit Seduction in Christmas Elves?

Lightning?, from the ability to treat it as Ley Lines, as seen in Jade 4: Bottle a Jinn?

Or is she not immune?

She has to be ready to "catch" the electricity, I believe. Imperius was hurting her with his lightning in TK's first Sim.

could it be both?

as lightning is nature and she is immune to that?
example the lighting shown above and the large charge that she shrugged off from Paige in her story?

but mutant power directed lighting or electrical attacks are not?

A few things strike me as odd in the discussion about why Nikki is still Nikki.

Well, the first thing I'd want to ask is, why wouldn't she be? Where does that assumption come from? It doesn't feel natural to me. Is there any reason to believe Aung was exerting some sort of upkeep on Nikki's body? I don't really see anything of the sort.

And if her body would go back, why would it be the only part of her to go back? Why wouldn't her glamour fade, and her magic disappear, and her empathy go poof and so on?

It all makes me think back to how Nikki is said to be the reincarnation of the shards of Aunghadhail, the best one that has ever been created since the sundering. Just because that shard lost one of its bits, or perhaps a better way to put it is that the shards lost the spirit who was shepherding them, that doesn't mean they stop being what they are. They stay in Nikki and Nikki stays the way she is because there's no reason for anything else to happen. Her sidhe nature is still there, her glamour is still there, her magic is still there. Those things are a part of her. They were technically a part of Nick even before Aung turned him into Nikki, they just couldn't have expressed in any way because most of the splintered soul was not present in him yet.

Aung always said that she was only providing knowledge, and that all the power was inherent to Nikki.

This would mean that if Nikki dies while young and inexperienced, that everything that's left of Aung really would be gone for good (probably). Not destroyed but in the sense that it would be next to impossible to recreate, the same as most souls seem to be in this universe judging by some explanations Sara gave. So, it also follows that if Nikki, in the distant future, becomes experienced enough to become Aung's successor in her own way, that she might one day become the same as Aung was in the stories we read.

I hope it's pretty clear from Best Days part 2 that Nikki is still Nikki and will remain Nikki; that story was set about mid-summer of 07, and there was no indication given in any way, shape, or form (real or implied) that Nikki was changing back from being Nikki. Ergo, Nikki will remain Nikki. Some of us have plans for Nikki which requires Nikki to remain Nikki.

So shall it be written, so shall it be done.

Woop, in any fandom sometimes often almost every time there's some surprising canon development fans will go on all sorts of wild tangents attempting to assimilate it. Even if their fan-theories don't make a lot of sense, they might become attached to them and attempt to argue that they are reasonable until canon developments disproves them emphatically.

Sometimes even after canon disproves them, they will still cling to their idea, and may write Alternate Reality fanfics to prove that their idea is "better" than the canon one. Occasionally they are even right.

Sir Lee wrote: Woop, in any fandom sometimes often almost every time there's some surprising canon development fans will go on all sorts of wild tangents attempting to assimilate it. Even if their fan-theories don't make a lot of sense, they might become attached to them and attempt to argue that they are reasonable until canon developments disproves them emphatically.

Sometimes even after canon disproves them, they will still cling to their idea, and may write Alternate Reality fanfics to prove that their idea is "better" than the canon one. Occasionally they are even right.

That's the fun of fan-fic - you can do a lot of "what if" scenarios. Like I did with Ayla and Vox before I was canonized. Or still do - like the whole Ayla curse thing that will NEVER be made canon. It's a fun way to let your imagination run wild and play

I don't know how helpful this can be but I would like put my .02 into this discussion.

If I remember correctly in the old forum Maggie said that Nick became Nikki because Aung deliberately genderbent him (and Nikki would have gone ballistic once she found out), ignoring the moral implications of the action there is the fact that this proves that magic can be used to change gender (it was also proven by what happened to Folder), this at very least proves that there is the possibility that changing back using magic might be possible.

Now to change back there are to factors that must be considered: possibility and willingness. While there is the possibility that it might be possible it has to be seen if it's actually possible or not. The change of gender happened at the time of manifestation, when Nick went from Human to Sidhe, it was a time of transition that might have enabled a once in a lifetime opportunity (just like what happened to Morgana), there is also the fact that Sidhe are inherently magical in nature, as such tampering with their magic might be dangerous (their life force is connected to their magic) so that the process that might be safe to perform on a Human might be anything but safe if used on a Sidhe. And even if it was safe, Aung had millennia of experience, Nikki has little more than a single year, did she unlock the required knowledge already?...... And even she did, is it safe to try considering the control issues that cause her to soawn hobgoblins on regular basis?

And even if it was safe, would Nikki go back being Nick? I seem to remember that at some point Nikki stated that if she could go back to being a boy she wouldn't because the transition was bad enough to go through the first time that she wouldn't go through it a second time given the chance (I can't remember the story but I do remember that she said it), and why would she want to do it? So that she has to explain everyone why she wanted to be a boy and become a target for the gay-bashers? Oh, did I mention that neigther Bugs nor Stalwart are interested in dating a boy? And honestly, she has bigger fishes of the world-ending type to fry and a world tree to grow, why should she waste time going back being a boy when she's confortable being a girl?

So my opinion is that there is the possibility that she can go back being a boy through the same process that made her a girl, but I don't think she would di it given the chance.

I think that at this point Nikki made a successful psychological transition to female. How much of that is due to Aunghandail's magical/mental influence is anyone's guess, but she appears to like the trappings of being a beautiful woman (she is known to be a "power shopper", for instance) and she embraced the sexuality aspect of it, since she is dating a boy and actually liking it. Yes, there are aspects of Nick there too -- her bisexuality is probably one symptom of it -- but she no longer has a male self-image. That's probably true of Sara and Tennyo, too, Some other characters, like Jobe, Seraphim, Lancer, Reach and Kayda are at different points along the way, but not completely there yet. Ayla and Chou are still struggling with their issues, not really accepting their new identities. Belphoebe is a special case: she has memories of being male, but she didn't really inherit Belfatso's self-image as a male, so her self-image formed as a girl.

Sir Lee wrote: I think that at this point Nikki made a successful psychological transition to female. How much of that is due to Aunghandail's magical/mental influence is anyone's guess, but she appears to like the trappings of being a beautiful woman (she is known to be a "power shopper", for instance) and she embraced the sexuality aspect of it, since she is dating a boy and actually liking it. Yes, there are aspects of Nick there too -- her bisexuality is probably one symptom of it -- but she no longer has a male self-image.

While personally I think that you are correct it has to be pointed out that this are assumptions, this were facts at the time Aunghandail was still present, we have yet to see how much was retained after her disappearance.

Also being a powershopper and being a beautiful woman are not correlated, one can be one wihtout being also the other, the same can be said about bisexuality.

By the way, speaking about bisexuality, it might actually be a common Sidhe trait, Sara commented that Drow seem to be naturally bisexual, while it's not explicitly stated that it was a trait inherited by the Sidhe Jode has inherited the Sidhe allergy to synthetic fibers and considering that humans do not have a natural sexual orientation there's the possibility that it is just the Sidhe's natural sexual orientation that was inherited. Just pointing out that her sexual orientation might be an indicator of her being a Sidhe rather than which gender she isentifies herself with.

But as I've said, I do think she's as much a girl between her pointed ears as she's in the rest of her body, but up to this point we don't have enough facts to tell for sure.

Out of curiosity, and some frustration, but how did the Cabal come up with Aunga's name? Did you use a random generator or something?

JG wrote:

Cryptic wrote: Out of curiosity, and some frustration, but how did the Cabal come up with Aunga's name? Did you use a random generator or something?

Mags did her homework.

the actual pronunciation, as cited by mags, sounds out as Ung-Va-Hail. Classic example of english spelling deliberately mangling other languages' words to make them seem unwieldy and not worth using.

Aunghadhail is an irish-gaelic style of name Mags used to represent as the name of an Inhuman Sidhe Queen.

Hmmm, OK cool. That was something that was puzzling me while working up Sidhe-esk names for a fic.

Does Ung-Va-Hail mean anything? Like how Uriel is Light of God, or is it just meant as a set of sounds tied to an identity, like Jane or Bob?

I wonder what Nikki will think once she finds out while she can't eat most meat FISH is still on the menu? Ala Whisper's experiences.

Dpragan wrote: I wonder what Nikki will think once she finds out while she can't eat most meat FISH is still on the menu? Ala Whisper's experiences.

It's not that she can't eat it, just that it's lost the flavor appeal to her.

I'm not allergic to alcoholic drinks, they just don't appeal to me. Same thing, really.

Most meat yes, but I don't recall offhand her trying fish, just beef or pork. Whisper who Sidhe has to problem with Fish. just wondering if Fey has had a chance to try it is all.

Dpragan wrote: Most meat yes, but I don't recall offhand her trying fish, just beef or pork. Whisper who Sidhe has to problem with Fish. just wondering if Fey has had a chance to try it is all.

that might just be a typical allergy, fish and seafood allergies are pretty common.

Nikki had a spirit guide through these things unlike Whisper who had to use experimentation. I'm pretty sure she knows already.

Fey just might not like fish.

Valentine wrote: Fey just might not like fish.

I'm not sure if there has or has not been any Nikki and fish interaction one way or the other.
Anyone want to go through all the Ayla stories and The Boston incidents to see if Nikki has or hasn't had fish? >_<

for all I know She grabbed Tennyo and Techwolf and went trout fishing in "Ill Winds VII", since that's missing and I've not read it.

I'm just thinking that she hasn't thought about fish at all, her experience with beef might have turned her away from meat altogether before she found out she might be able to.

As for me Salmon is rather pungent but edible, most fish to me comes off as "is there supposed to be a taste to this?" although I can eat and love Tuna steamed in Sunflower or Olive Oils.

What she knew about elf diets came from queenykins. And there is no guarantee that she knew.

So I finally read "The Penance Factor." Even in teaching Nikki a lesson, I come out the other end feeling like Carson went too far, mostly because she's now ensured that even if Nikki learns her lesson, Nikki will ALSO consider the Solicitor an enemy for life. She's also seemingly helped reward someone who committed a great evil that is completely inexcusable.

Worse... considering that evil, seeking a way to ensure it can NEVER happen again isn't necessarily wrong in and of itself. Hekate needed to be STOPPED. And Nikki actually has a point regarding the royalties issue. It just doesn't work out, because you take away her motivation to do a good job either way. I can't believe Carson couldn't have come up with something better than this.

Which leads me to my actual question: I don't want to know HOW, I just want to know IF the law suit was resolved in some manner that we the readers were told about on screen at a later date. I'm only halfway through page 3, there's two more pages of stories I need to catch up on just to be caught up on the original timeline.

I will advise, keep reading. Your questions will be answered.

Yes. We wrote an answer. You'll find it in Phoenix's work, since he's writing most of Team Kimba stuff.

Arigato.

I'm obviously still behind, so it'll be interesting to catch up...

But so far? I feel like Carson crossed a line. Fey was emotionally vulnerable and just starting to recover, and then Carson hit her where she felt safe, and she took it away from her. That smacks of stupidity to me, even to teach a lesson as crucial as this one. From what I'm reading so far, Nikki is crumbling again, and yet Carson sits on her high horse... frankly at the end of this year, I would definetly say Liz Carson has had a lot of moments that make me question if someone or something is twisting HER.

to summarize: So far, what I've seen speaks to me like this. Carson has enslaved Nikki to the man who tried to enslave her. She's done a supervillain's work for him. He tried to enslave and exploit Nikki, now Nikki is effectively his slave. It applies only to Venus Inc... but it's still virtual slavery. She can't NOT work, but she doesn't hardly earn anything for working, all of the reward for her efforts is going to the very man who wanted to enslave and exploit her. He's getting everything he wanted.

Clarifying - I just finished reading Poise and Tansy's conversation is "Charging Buffalo, Hidden Dragon 2" where they discuss the future of Venus Inc. and make Tansy president pro-tem because Fey isn't up to the job right now.

I'm going to sit here and not say anything.

Things are not always as they seem. There is a method to this madness, and good does come out of it.

Rose Bunny wrote: Things are not always as they seem. There is a method to this madness, and good does come out of it.

What she said.
this has been carefully planned, and for a huge reason.

elrodw wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: Things are not always as they seem. There is a method to this madness, and good does come out of it.

What she said.
this has been carefully planned, and for a huge reason.

Planned? That's a naughty word, we never plan! We just sort of play it by ear and smugly say we planned it that way all along when we stick the landing!



Except, of course, when we DO plan. And then bad, bad things happen. And there's fecal matter that's been brewing for nearly twenty YEARS and when it hits the rotary air device, LOOK OUT WORLD!

E. E. Nalley wrote: Except, of course, when we DO plan. And then bad, bad things happen. And there's fecal matter that's been brewing for nearly twenty YEARS and when it hits the rotary air device, LOOK OUT WORLD!

It doesn't take that long for it to compost down into something suited for growing fine plants and edible fungi.

Then there's the potassium nitrate leached out. Add some sulfur and charcoal; strike a spark!

Aaaand now I'm starting to feel like a mushroom.

Rose Bunny wrote: Things are not always as they seem. There is a method to this madness, and good does come out of it.

Hush you... They're busy being angsty toward Nikki's treatment... this IS a proper response and needs to run it's course...

DanZilla wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: Things are not always as they seem. There is a method to this madness, and good does come out of it.

Hush you... They're busy being angsty toward Nikki's treatment... this IS a proper response and needs to run it's course...

The really annoying part is that I figured out i have to wait till Hank 3 or 4 and possibly part of some Kayda stories to get my answer... it's so bloody far away!

Also Danzilla, I'm male, so Male pronouns are fine. though this being the internet, I don't think female pronouns would bother me overmuch.

Iwasforger03 wrote:

DanZilla wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: Things are not always as they seem. There is a method to this madness, and good does come out of it.

Hush you... They're busy being angsty toward Nikki's treatment... this IS a proper response and needs to run it's course...

The really annoying part is that I figured out i have to wait till Hank 3 or 4 and possibly part of some Kayda stories to get my answer... it's so bloody far away!

Also Danzilla, I'm male, so Male pronouns are fine. though this being the internet, I don't think female pronouns would bother me overmuch.

Heh... I was going to say He but I tend toward trying to be gender neutral with individuals I don't have an idea about.

That's part of the reasons I chose the online alias I use. Gender-ambiguous names make it hard for other people to figure out how to treat you, so I went with really obvious. (The other part was me trying to be funny and punny, but that fell flat.)

Sir Lee wrote: That's part of the reasons I chose the online alias I use. Gender-ambiguous names make it hard for other people to figure out how to treat you, so I went with really obvious. (The other part was me trying to be funny and punny, but that fell flat.)

Surely you jest... but if not, lest this comment make you Surly... I thought it quite humorous and I will end that you have always struck me as both a scholar and a gentleman.

Aunghadhail confuses me.

From Mom, I don't feel so good:

Nick dreamed while he slept. A woman, at least the figure had a female shape, approached him through a moil of shifting colors, flashes of dim to blindingly bright light, and the sound of wind. Her large violet eyes bored into him with an intensity that he couldn’t bear up to, but she held his gaze as if chained to him. Flame red hair flapping in a wind he couldn’t feel framed a heart shaped face of a beauty that was inhuman as it was breathtaking. The figure said nothing, simply watched him, and he felt as if she was seeing right into him, down to the core of his being and beyond.

yet in Whilst Any Speaks 3:

The queen, for she could be nothing else, was a tall, sharp featured woman with milk white hair worn combed back from her high forehead to fall to the small of her back and held in place by a circlet of what Wyatt took for platinum at first glance, but was likely the much more valuable Mithril he'd heard of but never seen. A single, perfect amethyst hung from the circlet, which lightened her pale complexion and lit a fire in her icy blue eyes and for all her cold and imposing regal nature, the woman was still very beautiful in a distant, unobtainable way. She was dressed in a white linen gown with a waist cincher she didn't need of a gold and white brocade pattern and held a knurled wooden staff that was as white as the rest of her wardrobe.

Is she a short redhead like Nikki and Cirque? Or is she a tall white-haired woman, more like Aegloswen? And if she is, why does she like inhabiting redheads so much? I know we are fun, but hey...

Nikki is Aunghadhail.

She has the same looks as the Late Queen, of course Nikki is much much younger then Aunghadhail would have been at the time of the sundering.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Nikki is Aunghadhail.

She has the same looks as the Late Queen, of course Nikki is much much younger then Aunghadhail would have been at the time of the sundering.

just trying to rectify the two different appearances... beyond writer's error.

Rose Bunny wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Nikki is Aunghadhail.

She has the same looks as the Late Queen, of course Nikki is much much younger then Aunghadhail would have been at the time of the sundering.

just trying to rectify the two different appearances... beyond writer's error.

There is no error, and the description was approved by Maggie herself. These 2 descriptions are dissimilar for a very important reason, but if you need a Hint…

Whilst Any Speaks part 3 wrote: …held in place by a circlet of what Wyatt took for platinum at first glance, but was likely the much more valuable Mithril he'd heard of but never seen. A single, perfect amethyst hung from the circlet…

I don't get it? The circlet causes premature greying? Get Nikki some hair dye ASAP!

Rose Bunny wrote: I don't get it? The circlet causes premature greying? Get Nikki some hair dye ASAP!

I suppose, it could be looked at that way. Though I will point out and remind everyone that this particular piece of jewelry has a name and is in Nikki's possession, and when it came into her possession both Hank and Ayla began to worry that Nikki's personality was changing…

Oooh.. I get it.
The Winter Crown, so your hair becomes white like snow.

as for the tall part, I suppose that gives Nikki hope? Though myself, I'm perfectly content at 5'4"

I've probably said a bit too much, haven't I? I wouldn't want to give too much away, that would be telling…

Don't we have a Winter princess coming for the fall semester? Or is that gen 2 sometimes I confuse and conflate the stories...

Anne wrote: Don't we have a Winter princess coming for the fall semester? Or is that gen 2 sometimes I confuse and conflate the stories...

Yes, Elle is coming, as per the Aurora stories.

That's what I thought!

Hi, I wasnt sure if this would need a new thread but I guess its mostly focused on Nikki so I put it here.
I am brand new to the Whateley Universe and I havent really been able to drag myself away from them as I am hooked lol, so have been reading in the order which the stores were published, I am aware that this way starts jumping around the timline a bit later on (or so I have read in the numerous "reading order" articles I can find), but I will get the same expereince as I imagined most of those following from the beginning had. so far I am only up to the first "insanity prerequisite", so I apologise if some of these things are answered later or something...

1 > Aungenhail , we never really got an introduction or found out when Nikki first realised she was there, only a lot of vague hints fromt he first 3 Fey Stories. from what I can tell, the first time we heard the name Aungenhail was in Revenge of the Alphas, when she was grilling that attacker then mentioned it was part of herself she doesnt let out much.
then in Tennyo its good to have friends, when Tennyo takes Nikki to the grove, they have a Tennyo overhears a little bit of a conversation with the troll thing, before Tennyo moves away and doesnt hear the rest of what Nikki was talking to the troll was all about.... (and as far as I can tell, it was never explained in any other story?) the next mention of Aung was sort of offhand in the boston brawl.

2 > Nikkis Modeling Career, we dont ever really see the beginning of it. I mean we see in one of the early Fey stories that she was thinking of getting a job as a model, then bam next story she is an established model and it was never explained further than that. I would have liked to have read about those initial experiences, I thought they would have been interesting seeing her learning to cope with it.

there are other instances I cant rememeber clearly of things that Nikki has done in other early stories that arent really explained all that well, along with the beginning of the boston brawl.. something blew up all their clothes? but I cant find that event in any other story set around the boston brawl timeline. I have found a list of stories to order by the timeline instead of published date but none of them seem to fill in the blanks. (unless the Ayla Stories fill them in? I havent made it up to them yet as I am reading in published order)

all of this leads me to believe that perhaps either some of the planned fey stories were skipped OR maybe there are one or more stories missing to cause this confusion?

I also read in a wiki article somewhere that the Fey Author has withdrawn from writing Fey a while ago, does this mean that after a certain point, that Fey sort of fades into the background as a secondary character since there are no 'fey centric' stories to be written? or will another author pick up the Character and continue?

can any of you folks more knowlegable on the subject give me any clarity on my confusion?

Actually, Aunghandail's was mentioned in the *eighth paragraph* of the *very first* Fey story ("Mom, I'm Not Feeling So Good")

As for Fey's modeling career beginnings, well, it probably would have been shown in "Learning Curve"... if that story had been actually written. But the gap has been partially covered by other authors. In particular, Nikke has her first "big moment" as a model in Jade 4: Bottle a Jinn, when a pedestrian lingerie shot ends up becoming a high-profile poster for the Sierra Club.

And yes, there was a significant story planned that never got written. That was the aforementioned "Learning Curve", the fourth planned Fey story. Maggie only posted a few teasers for that one. But some of the events in that planned story were discussed with the other canon authors and ended up being mentioned in other stories, even if we never see them from Nikki's POV.

Maggie is aroundish, behind the scenes. She's not writing Fey first person, but she does give other authors permission for certain uses of Fey and plot developments. Fey is a major focus in the Lancer stories. She also drops by to Help Pejuta on occasion, and once Absinthe gets to Whateley, I'm sure those two will interact quite a bit.

speaking of Learning Curve. I have been hunting around and read somewhere that this story partially existed as a 'teaser' on the forum before being obliterated by a mysterious event known as 'the great forum crash' . I also read that it contained otherwise important 'rules of magic' that are accepted as canon although the teaser isnt officially accepted as canon. I don't spose anyone knows where I can find that 'teaser' story nowdays?

I don't think it's out there. if it were in her BigCloset works, it would have been brought over copy/paste as a restoration.

Some of us have saved copies (not only for that, but for other story teasers/fragments such as Feral's origin, or Heyoka's third story), but Kristin is hesitant about uploading them to the "stories" section due to concerns about not having proper licensing for them. I mean, if you want to be really OCD-copyright-lawyer about it, they were only licensed for publishing on the old forums. This new site is the spiritual successor to the old site and forums, but it's not their legal successor.
There WERE a few cases where material from the old forums was reposted here -- but it was done with explicit permission of the copyright holders.

Sir Lee wrote: Some of us have saved copies (not only for that, but for other story teasers/fragments such as Feral's origin, or Heyoka's third story), but Kristin is hesitant about uploading them to the "stories" section due to concerns about not having proper licensing for them.

As far as the Heyoka story, Motley was by recently. I suppose someone could ask if it's okay to put it up. Or maybe even if Motley doesn't have it anymore, give it back and ask if they want it, so they can re-shape it into something like Hank remembering Jamie. I never read it, so I don't know how it can be adapted for the post-Jamie Wateley.

If you still have what got published from Heyoka 3, go ahead and put it up.

That way I will know which of my notes actually got out there and which ones didn't because they're all still in a jumble in my old files. I used to write patchwork style with random scenes here and there that got stitched together and cleaned up later. I've got material over here that never saw the light of day, but which ones?

Speak of the devil, there's Motley.

Motley wrote: If you still have what got published from Heyoka 3, go ahead and put it up.

That way I will know which of my notes actually got out there and which ones didn't because they're all still in a jumble in my old files. I used to write patchwork style with random scenes here and there that got stitched together and cleaned up later. I've got material over here that never saw the light of day, but which ones?

*A wild Motley has appeared!* Not letting you get away. *pulls out pokeball and tosses it, but Motley breaks free* Darn, knew I should have used a master ball.

A little angel told me y'all were talking about me.

Motley wrote: A little angel told me y'all were talking about me.

An angel? Whar?

So... back to the thread topic! Will Nikki conquer the human race for the Sidhe, film at eleven!

(And how much of the human race would gladly let her? )

Actually, it seems that at the start of year two she is connecting a lot better with humanity. So there is some hope that she will not become a murderous supervillan!

Re-humanizing Nikki is one of the main themes of the latest Hank stories.

Motley wrote: If you still have what got published from Heyoka 3, go ahead and put it up.

That way I will know which of my notes actually got out there and which ones didn't because they're all still in a jumble in my old files. I used to write patchwork style with random scenes here and there that got stitched together and cleaned up later. I've got material over here that never saw the light of day, but which ones?

Actually, I had forgotten about it, but I posted it to the forums early on the new site's existence:

whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/the-...-survival-class#4294

It's just a short scene, but it was also our first glimpse at Mr. Anderson's teaching style.

Motley wrote: If you still have what got published from Heyoka 3, go ahead and put it up.

That way I will know which of my notes actually got out there and which ones didn't because they're all still in a jumble in my old files. I used to write patchwork style with random scenes here and there that got stitched together and cleaned up later. I've got material over here that never saw the light of day, but which ones?

You could always dump them all into the the micro scenes thread. That's kinda what it's there for. They shouldn't require more than a bit of cleaning and even that can be hand waved with a note about it's being a bit rough. I don't think that anything in that section is explicitly cannon unless it shows up in the main stories anyway.

NJM1564 wrote:

Motley wrote: If you still have what got published from Heyoka 3, go ahead and put it up.

That way I will know which of my notes actually got out there and which ones didn't because they're all still in a jumble in my old files. I used to write patchwork style with random scenes here and there that got stitched together and cleaned up later. I've got material over here that never saw the light of day, but which ones?

You could always dump them all into the the micro scenes thread. That's kinda what it's there for. They shouldn't require more than a bit of cleaning and even that can be hand waved with a note about it's being a bit rough. I don't think that anything in that section is explicitly cannon unless it shows up in the main stories anyway.

It would also be fairly Easy to frame it as Hank telling Danny about his former roommate.

Which means that we should be having this discussion in a thread about Hank.... Not that I'm complaining as the only way we're going to see the main characters from year one from now on is as passers by in someone else's story... I do hope that Nikki can get a handle on her temper where Leanne (Hanna) is concerned...

I posted this in the story comments for "Absinthe of Malice Part 3", in reply to a discussion on what had changed from the original fanfic, but I thought it worth posting here, too. I was hoping for corrections and clarification from the CC if nothing else.

Horrid wrote: In a nutshell, Aung was destroyed by an evil Wizard-type mutant named Hekate while she was existing separately (sort of) from Nikki within the mind of one of Hekate's many victims.

Nikki remains perhaps the highest-level Wiz-type mutant in the world but she is no longer really the Queen to Come, which is a really good thing since the Sidhe considered human beings to be slaves and tools and worse, like the Artificer but not as useful. Restoring the Sidhe empire would not have been a good thing for us human beings.

Nikki does not have an avatar spirit any longer. The queen, however, had been transforming Nikki into basically herself and Nikki retains the queen's ability to gather and store essence. Over time it is believed that Nikki may grow in knowledge of magic thru experience and study and may rival the departed Aung in actual power.

My understanding is that it's a good deal more complicated than that. Nikki really isn't an avatar at all; that's why powers testing never could conclusively determine what was going on. Rather, Nikki is Aunghadhail's reincarnation - when Nick was born, he got a part of Aung's shattered soul, and when he manifested that fragment was able to draw the other fragments to him to reform, and in the process Aung's memories and self-awareness returned, separate from the transforming Nikki. When that separate self-awareness was destroyed, Aung's soul remained, though damaged - and with Nikki's consciousness being the only mind in her body. Nikki probably will be able to access some of Aung's memories over time, but not all of them, and not as easily as she would have been able to if the two minds had merged over the centuries as would have happened if Aung's consciousness weren't destroyed.

Actually, I remember something (probably in the original Fey stories) about Nikki being potentially more powerful than Aung ever were. Don't recall the exact quote or the reasoning, though.

^ Perhaps because Nikki isn't beholden to any of the debts and stuff of Aung, but possessing all her power, so she can exert her power however she wants, unlike Aung?

Sir Lee wrote: Actually, I remember something (probably in the original Fey stories) about Nikki being potentially more powerful than Aung ever were. Don't recall the exact quote or the reasoning, though.

I can't remember what story it's in, but it's stated that The Sundering 'fragmented' the soul of Aunghadhail, and Nikki was nearly all that soul, including the 'power', while 'Aunghadhail' was only the memories. Over time Aunghadhail would have been absorbed into Nikki.

Sir Lee wrote: Actually, I remember something (probably in the original Fey stories) about Nikki being potentially more powerful than Aung ever were. Don't recall the exact quote or the reasoning, though.

I think you're right. It could be as scary as: Gaea brought back humans first (and so far foremost) as her weapons of mass destruction. Now, take one of them - an empath and magician in her own right - and graft on the capabilities of a Sidhe Queen, instead of replacing them as Aunghadhail would have. Even if she fails in this lifetime, she'll have told all her little fellow humans what's worked so far (assuming that the racial gestalt doesn't spread the info at the speed of gossip like every other innovation to date.)

Unthinking, unreasonable, nigh unkillable (chop off one appendage and soon two or more grow back), with unholy and insatiable appetites -- am I talking about a GOO or just a sufficiently large crowd of people?

null0trooper wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: Actually, I remember something (probably in the original Fey stories) about Nikki being potentially more powerful than Aung ever were. Don't recall the exact quote or the reasoning, though.

I think you're right. It could be as scary as: Gaea brought back humans first (and so far foremost) as her weapons of mass destruction. Now, take one of them - an empath and magician in her own right - and graft on the capabilities of a Sidhe Queen, instead of replacing them as Aunghadhail would have. Even if she fails in this lifetime, she'll have told all her little fellow humans what's worked so far (assuming that the racial gestalt doesn't spread the info at the speed of gossip like every other innovation to date.)

Unthinking, unreasonable, nigh unkillable (chop off one appendage and soon two or more grow back), with unholy and insatiable appetites -- am I talking about a GOO or just a sufficiently large crowd of people?

Sir is right--I can't quote it but the line was --in a 1000 years or so Nikki might surpass me! To Quote Aunghadhail and that was before the world tree seed came out!