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Imp may be imp-perfect, but she has imp-peccable taste in art and apprentices

Too many imp puns and Imp might show up to complain about us saying her name too much. Oh, who am I kidding, she would love the attention. And she may be coming to Whateley as the art teacher, we know she isn't going to turn that down, but you know she won't be able to resist pranking others. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the micro-scenes of Imp were close to the truth of what will happen.

I can assure you, that her first day of class will be quite a tail.

So when will she start dating Chicken Hawk?

And why do I get the feeling Chicken Hawk will escort his daughter to school and see Imp?

Domoviye wrote: So when will she start dating Chicken Hawk?

And why do I get the feeling Chicken Hawk will escort his daughter to school and see Imp?

Naw, they're not going to meet until Parent's Day, when Melissa will be eager to introduce her father to her art teacher, but won't warn him about who it is ahead of time.

And she won't warn Imp either for extra fun.

Maybe, but slipping it by Imp will be harder, since Imp knows of their relationship already.

true, so while Imp finds a nice comfortable place to lay low, Mischief will have to find it and somehow get her father there none the wiser. It's like a treasure hunt with the treasure hiding itself.

Domoviye wrote: true, so while Imp finds a nice comfortable place to lay low, Mischief will have to find it and somehow get her father there none the wiser. It's like a treasure hunt with the treasure hiding itself.

Not a treasure hunt. It should be like a heist where the "thief" (Dad) doesn't know he's breaking in (to Imp's lair).

jmhyp wrote:

Domoviye wrote: true, so while Imp finds a nice comfortable place to lay low, Mischief will have to find it and somehow get her father there none the wiser. It's like a treasure hunt with the treasure hiding itself.

Not a treasure hunt. It should be like a heist where the "thief" (Dad) doesn't know he's breaking in (to Imp's lair).

Ah but could he legally arrest her for being on a campus that employs other villains? What and where would Mischief go? Her dad would want Hero's whereas the Imp wants Bad Seeds. So to compromise she's left out in the cold, thus creating more mischief and will probably cause Mrs. Carson to age more rapidly as she also has to deal with a daughter back in the fold. Can only imagine the mayhem if those two got together.

Ib12us wrote:

jmhyp wrote:

Domoviye wrote: true, so while Imp finds a nice comfortable place to lay low, Mischief will have to find it and somehow get her father there none the wiser. It's like a treasure hunt with the treasure hiding itself.

Not a treasure hunt. It should be like a heist where the "thief" (Dad) doesn't know he's breaking in (to Imp's lair).

Ah but could he legally arrest her for being on a campus that employs other villains? What and where would Mischief go? Her dad would want Hero's whereas the Imp wants Bad Seeds. So to compromise she's left out in the cold, thus creating more mischief and will probably cause Mrs. Carson to age more rapidly as she also has to deal with a daughter back in the fold. Can only imagine the mayhem if those two got together.

Even if he was so inclined, I'm pretty sure that jurisdictional boarders, statutes of limitations, and other such legal stuff would protect Imp. And I doubt that he'd be inclined to arrest Imp now that she's no longer thieving.

Mischief isn't eligible for the Bad Seeds. Maybe you meant the Masterminds instead? But I doubt Imp would steer her towards them either. She's not interested in encouraging anyone to follow in her line of work. I could see her maybe recommending the Secret Squirrels, though (although they'd have to be less of a joke first).

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Domoviye wrote: So when will she start dating Chicken Hawk?

And why do I get the feeling Chicken Hawk will escort his daughter to school and see Imp?

Naw, they're not going to meet until Parent's Day, when Melissa will be eager to introduce her father to her art teacher, but won't warn him about who it is ahead of time.

She's going to get her Aunt Brandywine too.

As Whateley is "neutral ground" neither could arrest Imp there. I imagine that Mrs. Carson is going to make arrangements for Imp to get a deal like Hotrod did.

I thought it was said somewhere that there were no arrest warrants out for her anywhere.

Suspected of a few things, but not actually wanted for them.

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Ib12us wrote:

jmhyp wrote:

Domoviye wrote: true, so while Imp finds a nice comfortable place to lay low, Mischief will have to find it and somehow get her father there none the wiser. It's like a treasure hunt with the treasure hiding itself.

Not a treasure hunt. It should be like a heist where the "thief" (Dad) doesn't know he's breaking in (to Imp's lair).

Ah but could he legally arrest her for being on a campus that employs other villains? What and where would Mischief go? Her dad would want Hero's whereas the Imp wants Bad Seeds. So to compromise she's left out in the cold, thus creating more mischief and will probably cause Mrs. Carson to age more rapidly as she also has to deal with a daughter back in the fold. Can only imagine the mayhem if those two got together.

Even if he was so inclined, I'm pretty sure that jurisdictional boarders, statutes of limitations, and other such legal stuff would protect Imp. And I doubt that he'd be inclined to arrest Imp now that she's no longer thieving.

Mischief isn't eligible for the Bad Seeds. Maybe you meant the Masterminds instead? But I doubt Imp would steer her towards them either. She's not interested in encouraging anyone to follow in her line of work. I could see her maybe recommending the Secret Squirrels, though (although they'd have to be less of a joke first).

But he could arrest her off campus. Ask her out for dinner after suspicion of stealing his heart.

As for Mischief, I'm sure 'any' cottage she goes to will be quite....interesting.

Personally, I've had scenes chasing around in my head of Imp and Candice Kade co-teaching a class called something like 'The art of art theft'. Grading would probably be something like 50% tests, 25% homework, 20% simulation performance and 5% personality.

Similar in nature to the team tactics course TK took, this class would be part simulator, part classroom. I see each team running at least 3 sims - red team, blue team and red vs red team. In addition to covering reconnaissance and tactics, it would also cover things such as art appreciation, appraisal, preservation and forgery.

Seeing as she is comeing in as a Teacher and not a Student the Imp should provide a rather interesting POV on Whateley Acadamy. Might end up with quite the Anne of Green Gables vibe to her. Diane once said to Anne, "Sometmes I think that you only pretend to have grown up." The Imp dosn't even bother with such a pretence.

Random question for Morpheus:

Is Imp aware of the work of Bev Doolittle ? If so, what does she think of her art?

Imp is definitely aware of Bev Doolittle, and is amused by her work. She was actually one of my inspirations for Imp hiding thing in her paintings, though Imp's style leans less towards the natural.

I wonder if Jade will decide to take art next term/semester.

Every chance she gets. As long as its worth stealing.

Ib12us wrote: Every chance she gets. As long as its worth stealing.

no, Jade would only take Art if he is cute.

Dawnfyre wrote:

Ib12us wrote: Every chance she gets. As long as its worth stealing.

no, Jade would only take Art if he is cute.

Ba Ba Ba Boom

Dawnfyre wrote:

Ib12us wrote: Every chance she gets. As long as its worth stealing.

no, Jade would only take Art if he is cute.

I think Gloriana would object to Jade taking Art.

I think Art would object to Jade taking him too.

I wonder how long before The Imp gets detention?

Well she didn't make it a day without hurting a student...So it cant be long now!

In my defection, I asked the question before I'd read the story.

More like a winter coarse.
"Advanced pranks and mischief." Also known as Weaponizing the raspberry.

A rasberry? Please, how can you weaponise a rasberry?

Now weaponising the banana is a different matter completely.

Astrodragon wrote: A rasberry? Please, how can you weaponise a rasberry?

Now weaponising the banana is a different matter completely.

But Imp isn't the one who weaponizes bananas. That's... Oh yeah, that chapter hasn't been released yet...

To jam radars!

Morpheus wrote:

Astrodragon wrote: A rasberry? Please, how can you weaponise a rasberry?

Now weaponising the banana is a different matter completely.

But Imp isn't the one who weaponizes bananas. That's... Oh yeah, that chapter hasn't been released yet...

That's OK, there's already an online self defense course against weaponized banana's.

How will Imp react to team wondercute. Will she alli with them? That can't happen! Armageddon isn't supposed to happen from about 20 years.

I think she will become the faculty advisor for the wondercute club in the future or at least be part of how it comes to be

It might be interesting to see Imp out looking for models for her art classes. The logical place to go looking for those is (of course) Venus Inc. though I wouldn't put it past her to try to recruit one of the drow once she sees them. The image of Fey, Belphy or (shudder) Jobe posing in front of a bunch of people with sketchbooks boggles the mind.

I thought it was spring of 2008.

Echo wrote: It might be interesting to see Imp out looking for models for her art classes. The logical place to go looking for those is (of course) Venus Inc. though I wouldn't put it past her to try to recruit one of the drow once she sees them. The image of Fey, Belphy or (shudder) Jobe posing in front of a bunch of people with sketchbooks boggles the mind.

There are more interesting ideas than that.
"Fubar reclining nude."

Or
"Jerico's closet.
The horror. The doom."

A life sized painting of Fubar, hung in the 'must visit' gallery.

Jade as radioactive condor girl

Echo wrote: It might be interesting to see Imp out looking for models for her art classes. The logical place to go looking for those is (of course) Venus Inc. though I wouldn't put it past her to try to recruit one of the drow once she sees them. The image of Fey, Belphy or (shudder) Jobe posing in front of a bunch of people with sketchbooks boggles the mind.

Given Imp's looks, she is more likely to go to Diamondback, or Phobos & Deimos, or Faction 3, than Venus Inc.

IIRC Imp mentioned hearing about the Drow during one of her stories. I wonder what she will think of them when she sees one.

annachie wrote: A life sized painting of Fubar, hung in the 'must visit' gallery.

That wouldn't be a bad idea. Except for Gabriella Guzman's donation, most of the trophies we've "seen" in the Homer Gallery best represent the spandex and cape alumni. That is, after all, what the POV characters would have focussed on as being cool and noteworthy. A reminder that the hero life isn't all book deals and photo ops might drive home the idea that Whateley isn't supposed to be Superhero U.

The downside is that the kids likely to understand the message and rethink their plans are the ones better suited for doing the job with fewer "civilian" casualties.

As to who'd Imp would ask for modelling help, Venus Inc. is pretty much the local union. For commercial art and design, they're as perfect as some think they are. For other portraiture, an artist may want someone who hasn't been generified by an Exampler trait. The problem there is that, even for Imp, it may be a hard sell to kids who've been bullied for having visible GSD or even just being "ordinary" (Geomancer and other Underdogs come to mind)

Here's a question.

Given that it looks like Imp is trying to hide both her secret identity, and her real identity from the students, how will she sign report cards?

And if she signs them Imp, how will that look on college enrollements?

annachie wrote: Here's a question.

Given that it looks like Imp is trying to hide both her secret identity, and her real identity from the students, how will she sign report cards?

And if she signs them Imp, how will that look on college enrollements?

Individual teachers don't usually sign report cards.

That said, they do sign teacher recommendations. But I've seen teachers with policies that their students never get to see the recommendations - Imp could easily send those out under her legal name without her students ever knowing what it is.

What would carry more weight for an art school, Candice Kade (professional artist) or The Fabulous Imp (professional forger of many art styles)?

It should also be noted that most collages that would except a mutant would know of Whatley and it's eccentricities. So the teacher's name might not matter as much as it being known that Whatley challenges students much more than most High Schools.

Don't be a grammar nazi... Don't be a grammar nazi... Especially not in an Imp thread. Don't be a grammar nazi... Don't be a grammar nazi...

NJM1564 wrote: It should also be noted that most collages that would except a mutant would know of Whatley and it's eccentricities. So the teacher's name might not matter as much as it being known that Whatley challenges students much more than most High Schools.

I think excluding mutants from a collage is an artistic choice, even if the scrap booker knew about Whateley. It's more about the color and presentation than the subject.

In all seriousness, Whateley is known for science (and magic), academics, and combat. Their arts programs aren't particularly challenging or different from any other high school. The staff maybe, but Imp doesn't even care how good her students are, only that they show interest and try. Like any art teacher. The drama program isn't much different, though I imagine Maria includes an ethics course requirement in her siren classes.

Katssun wrote: What would carry more weight for an art school, Candice Kade (professional artist) or The Fabulous Imp (professional forger of many art styles)?

For a university with a strong MFA program, it will be the student's portfolio, along with their undergraduate transcripts.

Law schools and Med schools usually require one or more recommendations, and they are supposed to be sealed so the student doesn't know what's been written about them.

Imp earned her degree under the alias of Irene Meredith Polk, so it wouldn't be at all out of character for her to use that name, or simply sign things I.M. Polk.

annachie wrote: Here's a question.

Given that it looks like Imp is trying to hide both her secret identity, and her real identity from the students, how will she sign report cards?

And if she signs them Imp, how will that look on college enrollements?

I'm not sure I understand. Which identities are she trying to hide? She is most definitely not hiding the Imp ID, she is hiding Candice Kade ID, at least from most of the staff and students. I wonder if I.M. Polk is the name she is employed under. Her real name is Candice Christine Kade.



Did she have an MID beforehand? I got the imp-pression from the stories that she hadn't been arrested.

Katssun wrote: Don't be a grammar nazi... Don't be a grammar nazi... Especially not in an Imp thread. Don't be a grammar nazi... Don't be a grammar nazi...

NJM1564 wrote: It should also be noted that most collages that would except a mutant would know of Whatley and it's eccentricities. So the teacher's name might not matter as much as it being known that Whatley challenges students much more than most High Schools.

I think excluding mutants from a collage is an artistic choice, even if the scrap booker knew about Whateley. It's more about the color and presentation than the subject.

In all seriousness, Whateley is known for science (and magic), academics, and combat. Their arts programs aren't particularly challenging or different from any other high school. The staff maybe, but Imp doesn't even care how good her students are, only that they show interest and try. Like any art teacher. The drama program isn't much different, though I imagine Maria includes an ethics course requirement in her siren classes.

You noticed college/collage, but not accept/except?

Staying on topic, I would imagine that Imp would care more about quality in the higher level classes, although the focus would still be on personal progress rather than overall ability.

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote: Don't be a grammar nazi... Don't be a grammar nazi... Especially not in an Imp thread. Don't be a grammar nazi... Don't be a grammar nazi...

NJM1564 wrote: It should also be noted that most collages that would except a mutant would know of Whatley and it's eccentricities. So the teacher's name might not matter as much as it being known that Whatley challenges students much more than most High Schools.

I think excluding mutants from a collage is an artistic choice, even if the scrap booker knew about Whateley. It's more about the color and presentation than the subject.

In all seriousness, Whateley is known for science (and magic), academics, and combat. Their arts programs aren't particularly challenging or different from any other high school. The staff maybe, but Imp doesn't even care how good her students are, only that they show interest and try. Like any art teacher. The drama program isn't much different, though I imagine Maria includes an ethics course requirement in her siren classes.

You noticed college/collage, but not accept/except?

Staying on topic, I would imagine that Imp would care more about quality in the higher level classes, although the focus would still be on personal progress rather than overall ability.

Of course I did, "excluding" was meant to cover accept/except. Hence, the collage not including mutant photos.

It's true that I'm not really sure how art programs work. null0trooper was helpful pointing out that it is mostly portfolio that matters, and recommendations have little if any influence.

But art isn't about reproduction. Forgery is. Unless Imp is teaching a special Masterminds/Syndicate course in the winter for juniors and seniors about specific techniques, like she was trained to copy, her curriculum is very much going to be focused on encouragement and exposing students to the maximum number of techniques so they can find their forte or niche and flourish.

Like Razor, who is a skilled sketch artist, but enjoys finger-painting just because, but maybe he'll also take to sculpture. Or Darquehart, who wants to develop her watercolors, rather than giving up. Or Alicia, who likes oils, but who knows, maybe acrylics are more her style.

The only objective class Imp teaches is Art History, and beyond the memorization, the essay parts are all open to interpretation and justification.

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I'd love to see a one-off scene where Imp has a ceramics class, to find it completely filled with gadgeteers and devisors who think it is a technical course.

Katssun wrote: Of course I did, "excluding" was meant to cover accept/except. Hence, the collage not including mutant photos.

Whoops. My bad.


Thumbs up for the ceramics course idea!

I image there could be a great many gadgeteers and divisors who could use a art class. The aesthetic would likely be an afterthought for some of them.

Waterhouse University Not sure if it is Canon it was a Joint creation for a Comic that never got off the ground.

A University that has it's own Devisor/Gadgeteer Collegiate Section as well as a Mystic Art's Doctorate Program (and a Police Academy that specializes in Exemplar(etc) students)

Would probably be in the Know also that Miskatonic University and would take either.

So now that it's been established as possible I'm wondering if Imp's children will inherit their mother's devilish good looks. Is there a toddler devil girl or boy, or both running around the teacher's village, and how will the new wondercute react when they meet her or him or them.

Hmm. You have to consider that, while not out of the picture, Imp is in her forties and it may take a while until her situation with Superhawk evolves enough for this even to be a consideration (barring accidents).
Exemplar genes probably would keep her fertile and healthy longer than a baseline human, but we don't know how much longer, and even so, pregnancy risk does increase with age.
So, it might happen, or it just might be that the Doyle doctors tell her it's "medically inadvisable."

Sir Lee wrote: Hmm. You have to consider that, while not out of the picture, Imp is in her forties and it may take a while until her situation with Superhawk evolves enough for this even to be a consideration (barring accidents).
Exemplar genes probably would keep her fertile and healthy longer than a baseline human, but we don't know how much longer, and even so, pregnancy risk does increase with age.
So, it might happen, or it just might be that the Doyle doctors tell her it's "medically inadvisable."

But Imp is also a regenerator.

IIRC i read in one of the stories (maybe one of the Jade stories?), a comment about there being issues with regenerators getting pregnant, or maintaining a pregnancy to full term.

It could be that i am getting it mixed up with one of the background comments about the medical issues for Involuntary Shifters.

The part about regenerators was about high-level regens having issues, presumably because they would either absorb the fetus, or cause regen cloning on it. I think it would be 5 and up, maybe? so Jade ( if she ever got the plumbing) or Billie ( if that's even possible) would have definite issues. I think Imp is -probably?- okay... Plus think about how thrilled Mischief would be to have a little brother or sister...

Rose Bunny wrote: The part about regenerators was about high-level regens having issues, presumably because they would either absorb the fetus, or cause regen cloning on it. I think it would be 5 and up, maybe? so Jade ( if she ever got the plumbing) or Billie ( if that's even possible) would have definite issues. I think Imp is -probably?- okay... Plus think about how thrilled Mischief would be to have a little brother or sister...

Martina's mother managed to have a son without inducing regen cloning, that was a seperate incident. So it is still possible.

First though... there are a lot of steps before Imp gets pregnant with Chickenhawk's baby, I imagine. Here's hoping.

Head Over Tail part 3 ended with a kiss. I'd expect that sometime in the next nine years they manage to work out where this is going. And Imp has was already thinking about wanting it all, presumably including motherhood, before this. So by the time Gen2 arrives I'd expect that either Mischief has half siblings, or the relationship has failed for some reason.

Pretty sure that Imp's main problem with Barney is that when he caused her miscarriage it also removed her ability to have children.

annachie wrote: Pretty sure that Imp's main problem with Barney is that when he caused her miscarriage it also removed her ability to have children.

She's in Whateley you really think there aren't ways around any such problems. In theory with the right tech all you need is a complete DNA strand. Maybe not even that. Just the unique elements and that is what 1% of the code? Maybe less.

Iwasforger03 wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: The part about regenerators was about high-level regens having issues, presumably because they would either absorb the fetus, or cause regen cloning on it. I think it would be 5 and up, maybe? so Jade ( if she ever got the plumbing) or Billie ( if that's even possible) would have definite issues. I think Imp is -probably?- okay... Plus think about how thrilled Mischief would be to have a little brother or sister...

Martina's mother managed to have a son without inducing regen cloning, that was a seperate incident. So it is still possible.

First though... there are a lot of steps before Imp gets pregnant with Chickenhawk's baby, I imagine. Here's hoping.

not saying imp-possible, just that there are probably more dangers.

I find it unlikely that Imp, being a solid regen of at least 3 I think, would have failed to heal to the point of being able to bear children. Though it is possible, I suppose, if she healed wrong somehow? I find it unlikely though, and I think a regen 3 is technically still within the "We can just barely succeed in operating on them" scale of regen, so Imp could still get that fixed, especially at Whateley.

I'm pretty sure killing her unborn child is MORE than enough cause to hate Barney forever.

I hadn't read Imp 5 part 3 when I wrote the above post, so now I know better. I'm personally REALLY hoping for Imp babies! Maybe they'll even have mom's horns or tail!

annachie wrote: Pretty sure that Imp's main problem with Barney is that when he caused her miscarriage it also removed her ability to have children.

Having just done a quick reread, it could be read either way.

Imp 4 part 2 at the end.

Sir Lee wrote: Hmm. You have to consider that, while not out of the picture, Imp is in her forties and it may take a while until her situation with Superhawk evolves enough for this even to be a consideration (barring accidents).
Exemplar genes probably would keep her fertile and healthy longer than a baseline human, but we don't know how much longer, and even so, pregnancy risk does increase with age.
So, it might happen, or it just might be that the Doyle doctors tell her it's "medically inadvisable."

I thought that her aging was slowed similarly to Mrs. Carsons, but not to that extent

annachie wrote:

annachie wrote: Pretty sure that Imp's main problem with Barney is that when he caused her miscarriage it also removed her ability to have children.

Having just done a quick reread, it could be read either way.

Imp 4 part 2 at the end.

I think the wording imp-lies that it was a one time thing, she had just never gotten that close with somebody again until now.

But who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe Morpheus will throw us for a loop.

Valentine wrote: I thought that her aging was slowed similarly to Mrs. Carsons, but not to that extent

What do you mean, "to that extent?" Imp is in her forties, there are plenty of real-world women having babies (even first babies) after forty. Granted, there is an increased risk of complications, but it by no means requires mutant powers.

Imp has some slowed aging due to either her Exemplar trait, her regen, or both. Even a 25% slowed aging (which would make her biological age in the early thirties) would considerably improve her chances for a successful pregnancy. She does not need anything similar to Carson's, who has something like 80% slowed aging (ballpark figure, didn't bother to track down the exact numbers).

...and now I pretty much argued against my own earlier point that Imp might be too old to have children.

JG wrote: don't you love it when your own arguments put you in a corner?

" nobody puts baby in the corner"

Iwasforger03 wrote: I'm personally REALLY hoping for Imp babies! Maybe they'll even have mom's horns or tail!

Would we call them Impies?

Rose Bunny wrote:

JG wrote: don't you love it when your own arguments put you in a corner?

" nobody puts baby in the corner"

Unless it's outcast corner. That's where all the cool kids hang.

Iwasforger03 wrote: I'm personally REALLY hoping for Imp babies! Maybe they'll even have mom's horns or tail!

With Her as their mother and Mischief as their big sister, the poor things would have no chance at being sane...

Sir Lee wrote:

Valentine wrote: I thought that her aging was slowed similarly to Mrs. Carsons, but not to that extent

What do you mean, "to that extent?" Imp is in her forties, there are plenty of real-world women having babies (even first babies) after forty.

My wife's mother was 47 when my wife was born. Supposedly.

Rose Bunny wrote:

Iwasforger03 wrote: I'm personally REALLY hoping for Imp babies! Maybe they'll even have mom's horns or tail!

With Her as their mother and Mischief as their big sister, the poor things would have no chance at being sane...

Sanity is heavily overrated.

Imp has said that despite being 45, physically she looks and feels like she is about 15 yrs younger. So, as for having a baby it's just a matter of when she would run out of eggs.

Sir Lee wrote:

Valentine wrote: I thought that her aging was slowed similarly to Mrs. Carsons, but not to that extent

What do you mean, "to that extent?" Imp is in her forties, there are plenty of real-world women having babies (even first babies) after forty. Granted, there is an increased risk of complications, but it by no means requires mutant powers.

Imp has some slowed aging due to either her Exemplar trait, her regen, or both. Even a 25% slowed aging (which would make her biological age in the early thirties) would considerably improve her chances for a successful pregnancy. She does not need anything similar to Carson's, who has something like 80% slowed aging (ballpark figure, didn't bother to track down the exact numbers).

...and now I pretty much argued against my own earlier point that Imp might be too old to have children.

Pretty much exactly what you wrote here, her aging has only slowed by a 25-30% or so as opposed to the 80% or whatever that Mrs. Carson's has. I forget when Mrs. Carson's daughter was born, but she had to be in her 50s when she had Shelly.

Imp ages at 50% of the normal rate. It has been 30 years since she manifested, and she has aged about 15 years during that time, so physically she is about 30 rather than her chronological 45.

So ... Impies confirmed? Get Hyped!

Heaven forbid we let the woman settle in and get used to her new job...

[sarcasm] Nah, get Chickenhawk a job at the school, marry the two off. Then have Mischief move into their teacher's condo with them. [/sarcasm]

Rose Bunny wrote: Imp has said that despite being 45, physically she looks and feels like she is about 15 yrs younger. So, as for having a baby it's just a matter of when she would run out of eggs.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-...scovery-7624715.html

It seems women don't run out of eggs, something else causes menopause. So as long as Imp doesn't hit menopause, or waits until her body is effectively in the late forties when many problems occur during pregnancy she's got time to wait.

We're allowed to hope for Imp babies, because that sounds like something that would make Imp happy, and we want Imp to BE happy... and babies are awesome.

Also thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially get confirmed Imp babies much sooner than the "9 months" in universe we'd have to wait otherwise.

Iwasforger03 wrote: We're allowed to hope for Imp babies, because that sounds like something that would make Imp happy, and we want Imp to BE happy... and babies are awesome.

Also thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially get confirmed Imp babies much sooner than the "9 months" in universe we'd have to wait otherwise.

I may be one of the most clueless people when it comes to how to make a baby, but even I know that, barring some really weird mutant physiology, Chickenhawk kissing Imp won't get Imp pregnant. We've got more than 9 months to wait.

My 9 months was, granted, not clear.

I was referring to the 9 months between when they reach the stage where conception is even possible and when a baby could be born. Instead, thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially be seeing Impies shortly after Morpheus confirms their relationship actually progressing to that stage... if he doesn't decide to break all our hearts and Imp's instead.

Iwasforger03 wrote: My 9 months was, granted, not clear.

I was referring to the 9 months between when they reach the stage where conception is even possible and when a baby could be born. Instead, thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially be seeing Impies shortly after Morpheus confirms their relationship actually progressing to that stage... if he doesn't decide to break all our hearts and Imp's instead.

I have a feeling we won't see anything Gen 2 until something occurs Gen 1 to prevent spoilers. Can you imagine a bunch of little Imps running around Whateley, especially if they start out looking a bit Impish?

That's what I mean. We'll have to wait until the right point in their relationship before we get anything in gen 2 to spoil their future together, but I figure unless Gen 2 IS diverging, we'll get those "rewards" eventually in the form of Impies running around Whateley. Jade is the babysitter.

Oh GAWD! Imp as mother, Jade as sitter, those kids will be insane! Especially with Mischief as an older half sib.

Iwasforger03 wrote: My 9 months was, granted, not clear.

I was referring to the 9 months between when they reach the stage where conception is even possible and when a baby could be born. Instead, thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially be seeing Impies shortly after Morpheus confirms their relationship actually progressing to that stage... if he doesn't decide to break all our hearts and Imp's instead.

Well from Imp POV, it would not be the 9 months from conception to knowing that there is a little Imp, also depending on the scanning equipment in Doyle, she should know if they have her good looks in advance too.

mhalpern wrote:

Iwasforger03 wrote: My 9 months was, granted, not clear.

I was referring to the 9 months between when they reach the stage where conception is even possible and when a baby could be born. Instead, thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially be seeing Impies shortly after Morpheus confirms their relationship actually progressing to that stage... if he doesn't decide to break all our hearts and Imp's instead.

Well from Imp POV, it would not be the 9 months from conception to knowing that there is a little Imp, also depending on the scanning equipment in Doyle, she should know if they have her good looks in advance too.

Assuming she doesn't bump into Kayda first; in Would The Last One Out, it's clear that she's learned to sense the other life of Lanie's pregnancy, so it's theoretically possible that the Buffalo Gal might be the first to notice. That could be an interesting scene. Postulate this: Imp is usually a little irregular. She's a few days late, not worrying. Bumps into Kayda between classes or perhaps after a sim where she's torturing the Nations or the Ghost Walkers - Kayda says congratulations. Imp is puzzled. What? Kayda: your pregnancy. Imp: What? Kayda: you mean you don't know yet? Imp: I'm WHAT? Kayda: you're pregnant. I can sense the fetal life within you. Congratulations I think.

elrodw wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Iwasforger03 wrote: My 9 months was, granted, not clear.

I was referring to the 9 months between when they reach the stage where conception is even possible and when a baby could be born. Instead, thanks to Gen 2, we could potentially be seeing Impies shortly after Morpheus confirms their relationship actually progressing to that stage... if he doesn't decide to break all our hearts and Imp's instead.

Well from Imp POV, it would not be the 9 months from conception to knowing that there is a little Imp, also depending on the scanning equipment in Doyle, she should know if they have her good looks in advance too.

Assuming she doesn't bump into Kayda first; in Would The Last One Out, it's clear that she's learned to sense the other life of Lanie's pregnancy, so it's theoretically possible that the Buffalo Gal might be the first to notice. That could be an interesting scene. Postulate this: Imp is usually a little irregular. She's a few days late, not worrying. Bumps into Kayda between classes or perhaps after a sim where she's torturing the Nations or the Ghost Walkers - Kayda says congratulations. Imp is puzzled. What? Kayda: your pregnancy. Imp: What? Kayda: you mean you don't know yet? Imp: I'm WHAT? Kayda: you're pregnant. I can sense the fetal life within you. Congratulations I think.

Well in any case, she would take extra measures to avoid Barny, if he is still employed.

ok, can we take that as proof that at least one of the writers also thinks that Imp needs to get laid?

Even Imp's need a happy ending.

Rose Bunny wrote: ok, can we take that as proof that at least one of the writers also thinks that Imp needs to get laid?

What happens in The Village stays in The Village....

elrodw wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: ok, can we take that as proof that at least one of the writers also thinks that Imp needs to get laid?

What happens in The Village stays in The Village....

even if the Teletubbies get involved?

Ah yes the modern followers of the Stazi.

What's Whateley's maternity/paternity policy anyway?

Teaching is generally far more generous than the state "industry standard." Like, make Europeans jealous generous.

even if the Teletubbies get involved?

You know it's bound to happen. *She presents herself in the doorway,the lights down low. Her broad body filling the space as she sexily prances towards her conquest. The Bulbous head bouncing around as the sound track to the latest episode of the Teletubbies fills the room.*

Yolandria wrote:

even if the Teletubbies get involved?

You know it's bound to happen. *She presents herself in the doorway,the lights down low. Her broad body filling the space as she sexily prances towards her conquest. The Bulbous head bouncing around as the sound track to the latest episode of the Teletubbies fills the room.*

... I was talking about the Spykids...

I imagine she could take the time she needs off, wouldn't even have to leave the village. From the looks of things, Carson had at least one set of kids while Headmistress.

If she does become a mom at least her punishments will be legendary.

"What do you mean you failed your English test!?"

"English is hard...."

"You speak it! But tis no matter you'll just have to sneak in and change the grade yourself...here is a red marker and your lunch..."

JG wrote: Im fairly certain that if Imp has children they will grow up well-grounded and remarkably well-behaved.

I agree.

The Fabulous Imp may have a reputation for being off her rocker, obnoxious, and high-energy, but the colleagues and professionals who know her well after so many years (including her enemies like Superhawk) know her to be extremely professional, with a strong emphasis on fair play, living up to debts, a distinct code of honor that she doesn't cross unless someone else violated it first, ready to teach, very knowledgeable, and above all else, trustworthy once she's accepted a job and honest about it when she declines. Pride secondary to professionalism.

The people who know her the very best, which is just down to Frank (but will grow to include Melissa and Ryan...and maybe Pinball), know her to be eager, self-reflective (and I don't mean her horns and scales), genuine, kind, and loyal to a fault.

Katssun wrote:

JG wrote: Im fairly certain that if Imp has children they will grow up well-grounded and remarkably well-behaved.

I agree.

The Fabulous Imp may have a reputation for being off her rocker, obnoxious, and high-energy, but the colleagues and professionals who know her well after so many years (including her enemies like Superhawk) know her to be extremely professional, with a strong emphasis on fair play, living up to debts, a distinct code of honor that she doesn't cross unless someone else violated it first, ready to teach, very knowledgeable, and above all else, trustworthy once she's accepted a job and honest about it when she declines. Pride secondary to professionalism.

The people who know her the very best, which is just down to Frank (but will grow to include Melissa and Ryan...and maybe Pinball), know her to be eager, self-reflective (and I don't mean her horns and scales), genuine, kind, and loyal to a fault.

Amen! Preach it girl! Preach!

Can I get a Hallelujah?

Hey... We don't know who the father of her child was, do we?

Malady wrote: Hey... We don't know who the father of her child was, do we?

as you know from reading my stuff, sometimes that isn't important.

Rose Bunny wrote:

Malady wrote: Hey... We don't know who the father of her child was, do we?

as you know from reading my stuff, sometimes that isn't important.

True... But unlike Eire, it means that she had a romance in the past, that went far enough that she got pregnant... And yet we haven't heard of them until now. So who was that man in her life, and what happened to him?

JG wrote: Im fairly certain that if Imp has children they will grow up well-grounded and remarkably well-behaved.

The better to make her more outsane as she tries to figure out what they are up to.

Malady wrote: it means that she had a romance in the past, that went far enough that she got pregnant... And yet we haven't heard of them until now.

Doesn't mean it had to be a romance. One night stands happen. She laments at one point that it had been 8 years since her last sexual encounter, and at another that her GSD chases off a lot of men, other than those that want to claim they bagged a mutant or the ones that want to claim they've slept with a super-villian. For all we know, it might have been a fling or self-pity sex.

Rose Bunny wrote:

Malady wrote: it means that she had a romance in the past, that went far enough that she got pregnant... And yet we haven't heard of them until now.

Doesn't mean it had to be a romance. One night stands happen. She laments at one point that it had been 8 years since her last sexual encounter, and at another that her GSD chases off a lot of men, other than those that want to claim they bagged a mutant or the ones that want to claim they've slept with a super-villian. For all we know, it might have been a fling or self-pity sex.

Or a "demon" fetish. Or post adrenaline rush sex.

Or she pulled a heist on a sperm bank. As a villain, that's probably the safest option for avoiding really horrible parental drama if the other parent gets cold feet about letting a villain be a part of their child's life.

The way I read the relevant story i kind of assumed that the father of the unborn baby suffered a death by hero. His name was definitely not given, but I think the story of one of her friends being killed resisting arrest was mentioned previously and was one of the times she retaliated with extreme prejudice, driving the relevant hero out of the business. IIRC he ended up homeless.

It would make far too much sense if he was the father. And be extra heart-breaking. Losing both father and child to unfair and cruel heroes who are supposed to be the good guys? It would reinforce all the reasons Imp doesn't trust heroes and thinks so little of them.

Ebola wrote:

annachie wrote:

annachie wrote: Pretty sure that Imp's main problem with Barney is that when he caused her miscarriage it also removed her ability to have children.

Having just done a quick reread, it could be read either way.

Imp 4 part 2 at the end.

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“Barney cost me my child,” I told Louis in a cold tone. “Because of him, I lost my chance to be a mother…”

I think the wording imp-lies that it was a one time thing, she had just never gotten that close with somebody again until now.

But who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe Morpheus will throw us for a loop.

I think you may be onto something. We'll only get to know if she starts having relations with Chicken Hawk or we see her visiting Dr Tenant for the annual gyno exam and she asks, Doc, I want to know if I can get pregnant. As she is a regenerator, I would think that it would have been pretty hard for her to be damaged in a way that meant she could never get pregnant again. More likely she realized that her 'profession' didn't lend itself to parent hood. Not that that ever stopped anyone before!

Am I the only one wondering if her relationship with the father of one of her students might be a problem?

Otherself wrote: Am I the only one wondering if her relationship with the father of one of her students might be a problem?

Considering that her "grading scale" seems to be, did you turn in the project, and did you actually make an effort to do the project to get an 'A.' I don't see a problem.

I knew a guy in high school who had his older sister for a teacher. I didn't have her as a teacher, but she had dated one of my older brothers.

Lady Astarte's daughter is a student too. Hopefully Zenith's uncle isn't Barney.

Valentine wrote: Considering that her "grading scale" seems to be, did you turn in the project, and did you actually make an effort to do the project to get an 'A.' I don't see a problem.

Pretty much every art teacher anywhere. The one class Imp mentions she grades objectively is Art History/Appreciation.

Controlling Melissa's ADHD is more of a problem than anything else, and mostly during the apprenticeship stuff. Imp has to trick her into keeping on one task without getting too distracted.

Katssun wrote:

Valentine wrote: Considering that her "grading scale" seems to be, did you turn in the project, and did you actually make an effort to do the project to get an 'A.' I don't see a problem.

Pretty much every art teacher anywhere. The one class Imp mentions she grades objectively is Art History/Appreciation.

That is not the grading system that either of the Art teachers I had in high school, nor is it the one that my brother has used for his 20 year career of teaching high school art.

It's a good choice for beginner classes though. Step one is providing motivation to get them to actually make an attempt.

I've actually see this from both sides in Math classes instead. One math teacher, who couldn't teach, graded on accuracy. Eventually, students stopped trying if they weren't getting it, because they figured a failing grade was a failing grade, wether it was a 67 or a 0.

The other graded on completion. Did you actually do all the problems and show your work, even if you got it wrong? Then you pass.

I learned math significantly better at the hands of the second than the first. I had motivation to actually try, and that made a massive difference. My future math classes became much easier as a result.

But yes, teachers teach their children all the time. And even teachers who don't will always have favorites (because when you only have one student who isn't a little <expletive deleted>, you tend to like them more than the others). As long as the teacher takes pains to not give them unfair advantages, everything works out okay.

Heck, I know of one teacher who went out of their way to create an advanced level class that didn't exist at that school so that their daughter would have a place where she could learn at the proper level.

I grew up in a small town, and both my parents were teachers. I had my dad as a teacher for 4 years in high school (sciences). Only problem was that to make sure no-one ever accused him of nepotism, my siblings and I worked harder than anyone else for the same grade.

When I was in grade school, the Principal's daughter was 3 grades behind me. Everyone feared and hated her. She was so stuck up because nobody dared mess with her, due to "Daddy".

Valentine wrote: That is not the grading system that either of the Art teachers I had in high school, nor is it the one that my brother has used for his 20 year career of teaching high school art.

Out of curiosity, what is their system?

How do you grade something subjective? Not every student has a knack for pottery or impressionism. One student may be incapable of realism or still life, but really excel at another style.

There are still things that can be evaluated. For instance, in a drawing/painting class, you can evaluate the student's use of color theory, perspective, anatomy etc. I worked a long time with people in the comic business, and once I acted as interpreter at an event for an American editor who was evaluating prospective new artists. The sort of errors I saw him point out again and again: Big Hero is kicking a door open... but his support foot is actually beyond the threshold. Yes, Big Name Artists will break the rules all the time -- but they do it on purpose, to achieve a particular effect they want. You have first to learn the rules, and why they exist, before deciding to break them.

There's this quote from The Tao of Programming that illustrates well the point:

There once was a master programmer who wrote unstructured programs. A novice programmer, seeking to imitate him, also began to write unstructured programs. When the novice asked the master to evaluate his progress, the master criticized him for writing unstructured programs, saying, “What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate for the novice. You must understand the Tao before transcending structure.”

Effort is a key factor, I would imagine. If you quickly slap paint on a canvas and it looks like you made no attempt, that's one thing. It may look appealing, but if there was no thought to it, meh. If you take the time and effort to paint something, even if it doesn't look as good as the slapped together painting, to me it is more impressive because you tried. You may have experimented, you may have gotten creative. but most importantly, you cared.

True, but what if your student claims that they're making a deconstructionist statement with their sloppy, lazy art?

Lack of (apparent) effort can in and of itself be an artistic statement amidst certain circles.

Katssun wrote: True, but what if your student claims that they're making a deconstructionist statement with their sloppy, lazy art?

Lack of (apparent) effort can in and of itself be an artistic statement amidst certain circles.

True, but Impy asserted her distain for such pieces in one of her stories.

JG wrote: deconstructionist art ignores the rules entirely without acknowledging them.

Just like deconstructed food dishes ignore portion size.

Katssun wrote:

Valentine wrote: That is not the grading system that either of the Art teachers I had in high school, nor is it the one that my brother has used for his 20 year career of teaching high school art.

Out of curiosity, what is their system?

How do you grade something subjective? Not every student has a knack for pottery or impressionism. One student may be incapable of realism or still life, but really excel at another style.

I can't answer for my Brother, as I never took his class, but in the classes I took, if they piece looked bad, you got a poor grade.

Since art is largely subjective it would seem to me that it would be difficult to grade unless the teacher set out to teach a particular style, like realism. But if the student says that their work is expressionism or some of the more subjective styles it would be hard to judge whether a work is good or bad. Though if you tried to pass off a single red dot on a large canvas I'd have a hard time with it.

JG wrote: In smaller communities and schools it is hardly uncommon for a child to suffer the indignity of having a parent as a teacher for a required class. As long as there is no undue favoritism, then everything works out.

My father had fond memories of one of his high school teachers' car ending up on top of a concrete overhang meant for unloading buses. Of course he had nothing to do with it.

Said teacher was one of my mother's aunts (and therefore his own distant cousin). Years later, the same building housed my junior high school, where one of my cousins on my father's side subbed before being hired on. Also, my Jr. High guidance counsellor, 5th/6th grade English and History teachers, and my (maternal) grandmother used to routinely play cards before said grandmother moved to another state. Speaking of 5th/6th grade, one of the women working in the cafeteria just happened to be my father's best friend's mother. And the cousin who became a teacher? Her parents lived about 4 blocks from the elementary school. My great-grandmother lived a whole 10 blocks further away from the Jr. High School, in the county seat.

tl,dr: For a good six years or so, I couldn't get away with anything.

"Art class" is a bit of a misnomer. While art is studied in these classes (in the sense that it's analyzed), it's not actually taught, not in the sense of art as an original expression of one's feelings. What is taught is the craft of it; how to select a paper, which brushes are required for each kind of paint, anatomy, perspective, color theory, materials, techniques etc. You can't teach a student to be the new Monet, because you can't teach originality, by definition. But you can teach a student to be a competent draftsperson, who could, say, get a job drawing comics; and in time, they could evolve their own original approach and become an artist.

And for that, you will need a course syllabus, with planned classes and exercises designed to teach particular techniques. And you can then evaluate how well the student learned the technique. If the topic of the current lesson is perspective and a student comes with a Picasso-like thing with no perspective and flounder eyes -- the student failed that lesson, as sure as if they answered a History test on the Roman Empire with an essay on the Opium Wars.

Ah, good answer Sir Lee

Sir Lee wrote: "Art class" is a bit of a misnomer. While art is studied in these classes (in the sense that it's analyzed), it's not actually taught, not in the sense of art as an original expression of one's feelings. What is taught is the craft of it; how to select a paper, which brushes are required for each kind of paint, anatomy, perspective, color theory, materials, techniques etc. You can't teach a student to be the new Monet, because you can't teach originality, by definition. But you can teach a student to be a competent draftsperson, who could, say, get a job drawing comics; and in time, they could evolve their own original approach and become an artist.

And for that, you will need a course syllabus, with planned classes and exercises designed to teach particular techniques. And you can then evaluate how well the student learned the technique. If the topic of the current lesson is perspective and a student comes with a Picasso-like thing with no perspective and flounder eyes -- the student failed that lesson, as sure as if they answered a History test on the Roman Empire with an essay on the Opium Wars.

From what Morpheus has written, what you are describing is more "Art 2" then the Art 1 Mischief is in.

Art 1 seems to be more the "lets all enjoy doing art" type course

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: "Art class" is a bit of a misnomer. While art is studied in these classes (in the sense that it's analyzed), it's not actually taught, not in the sense of art as an original expression of one's feelings. What is taught is the craft of it; how to select a paper, which brushes are required for each kind of paint, anatomy, perspective, color theory, materials, techniques etc. You can't teach a student to be the new Monet, because you can't teach originality, by definition. But you can teach a student to be a competent draftsperson, who could, say, get a job drawing comics; and in time, they could evolve their own original approach and become an artist.

And for that, you will need a course syllabus, with planned classes and exercises designed to teach particular techniques. And you can then evaluate how well the student learned the technique. If the topic of the current lesson is perspective and a student comes with a Picasso-like thing with no perspective and flounder eyes -- the student failed that lesson, as sure as if they answered a History test on the Roman Empire with an essay on the Opium Wars.

From what Morpheus has written, what you are describing is more "Art 2" then the Art 1 Mischief is in.

Art 1 seems to be more the "lets all enjoy doing art" type course

Is Art 3 when they start having nude modals. I volunteer Jerico for every assignment. Better than having him clothed.

Definitely not.

JG wrote: No american flag speedo with matching ensemble?

Not speedo's, but otherwise Chaykin's ahead of you there:

Katssun wrote: True, but what if your student claims that they're making a deconstructionist statement with their sloppy, lazy art?

Lack of (apparent) effort can in and of itself be an artistic statement amidst certain circles.

I'm not sure if it is different in american schools but here in germany the students always have special theme or topic for their drawings. You can't write an essay full of mistakes and claim it is satire about modern text-speak when the topic is Shakespeare

What I'm really interested in is whether Imp is teaching Survival in Gen2. Someone with her professional as well as unprofessional (a little Impy on the run) experiences are absolutely invaluable for anyone who could learn from her how to run, how to hide, how to lay low, how to make someone underestimate or overestimate you, when to do what, how to prevent having to run or hide from people and so much more I am not thinking about now. It would be a crime not to let her share those skills and knowledge.

Rose Bunny wrote:

Katssun wrote: True, but what if your student claims that they're making a deconstructionist statement with their sloppy, lazy art?

Lack of (apparent) effort can in and of itself be an artistic statement amidst certain circles.

True, but Impy asserted her distain for such pieces in one of her stories.

And to be able to use this argument effectively in class, the teacher will almost certainly teach/test them more stringently on technique, just to make sure that it is properly applied technique, and not sloppiness.

I saw this in a store that was going out of business, and I immediately thought of Imp.

More like a gift for Mischief...

Given the events recounted here we do know that there is at least one Impie in the future. What we don't see is who is Karma's father, is he still alive, where is Mischief... etc. So, speculation; Karma is Mischief's half sister. But that does leave a worrisome question not addressed by the story, what has happened to Mischief, and what has happened to Chickenhawk?

Anne wrote: But that does leave a worrisome question not addressed by the story, what has happened to Mischief, and what has happened to Chickenhawk?

The Gen2 stories are starting in 2016. Mischief will have graduated years ago at that point.

Anne wrote: Given the events recounted here we do know that there is at least one Impie in the future. What we don't see is who is Karma's father, is he still alive, where is Mischief... etc. So, speculation; Karma is Mischief's half sister. But that does leave a worrisome question not addressed by the story, what has happened to Mischief, and what has happened to Chickenhawk?

well considering that Imp was telling Karma that because she was caught she has to tell her father, and her reaction to that, I'd say Chickenhawk being the father and still around is very likely

null0trooper wrote:

Anne wrote: But that does leave a worrisome question not addressed by the story, what has happened to Mischief, and what has happened to Chickenhawk?

The Gen2 stories are starting in 2016. Mischief will have graduated years ago at that point.

How old exactly is Mischief? She's a freshman in 2007 so she is class of 2011 to graduate, so should definitely be away from home and out of college if she decides to go, that is unless she pursues postgraduate studies... So is she in the syndicate or has she become an independent thief, or maybe she's a security consultant?!
I'm thinking that her getting kidnapped by a 'hero' and a 'villain' may cause her to decide that she really wants to sort of pursue what Adam Ironknife calls the third way.
Honestly, most people are third way in their lives. They don't want to have rules that are so binding that they don't allow you to even think for yourself....

Anne wrote:

null0trooper wrote:

Anne wrote: But that does leave a worrisome question not addressed by the story, what has happened to Mischief, and what has happened to Chickenhawk?

The Gen2 stories are starting in 2016. Mischief will have graduated years ago at that point.

How old exactly is Mischief? She's a freshman in 2007 so she is class of 2011 to graduate, so should definitely be away from home and out of college if she decides to go, that is unless she pursues postgraduate studies... So is she in the syndicate or has she become an independent thief, or maybe she's a security consultant?!
I'm thinking that her getting kidnapped by a 'hero' and a 'villain' may cause her to decide that she really wants to sort of pursue what Adam Ironknife calls the third way.
Honestly, most people are third way in their lives. They don't want to have rules that are so binding that they don't allow you to even think for yourself....

To quote Starlord: A bit of both!

Anne wrote: How old exactly is Mischief?

"A Touch of Mischief" covers the events of her fourteenth birthday, on July 26th 2007.

It wasn't Adam that talked about the third way it was stonebear Adam is a super straight arrow.

Anne wrote: I'm thinking that her getting kidnapped by a 'hero' and a 'villain' may cause her to decide that she really wants to sort of pursue what Adam Ironknife calls the third way.

Robert "Firecat" Shih's the one who suggested trying a third way:

“There’s a third path,” this was from the Robert Shih again.  “You don’t join the establishment, and you don’t fall to the depths of a true villain.  You walk your own ground in the middle.  It’s the toughest path, since you receive none of the advantages of either side.  Even worse, you can never simply ‘declare’ for one side or the other.  You are always walking in ambiguity, defined more by what you are not.”

As the ancient philosophers used to say, "If you choose not to decide / You still have made a choice."

Thanks null I thought it was stonebear lol.