Question Nimbus

Wiki Article on Nimbus

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Due to this obviously joking statement...

Kettlekorn wrote: Jade's mom is Nimbus, obviously.

I'm wondering if we know if Nimbus is actually male...

Malady wrote: Wiki Article on Nimbus

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Due to this obviously joking statement...

Kettlekorn wrote: Jade's mom is Nimbus, obviously.

I'm wondering if we know if Nimbus is actually male...[/quote

In Sun and Fun he's referred to repeatedly as male and then described as having sex with his female assistant.

Malady wrote: Wiki Article on Nimbus

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Due to this obviously joking statement...

Kettlekorn wrote: Jade's mom is Nimbus, obviously.

I'm wondering if we know if Nimbus is actually male...

He is either male, or a shifter or uses magic to appear male.

“Yes, very nice, Abigail,” Lady Jettatura said politely. “But do you think that Nimbus will like it?”

“Of course, he will” Abigail said as she slipped a draping apricot colored cloth around her in a manner that suggested a Roman toga. “Nimbus loves a bit of variety. And, well, it will conform to my regular features all in good time. Besides, she had really good hair.”

They seem to think he is male.

Random idea - Nimbus is a known Goodkind, like Bruce or Herb... ... And checking their article , totally blanked out on Theodore existing! Or does the Goodkind Patriarch have another brother?

... I'm guessing it's Theodore, as international trips can hide many things... And who says the souls that power Nimbus's Necromancy are American, or even mutants? Grabbing souls from the dead in non-American countries could work just as well, possibly with MCO Disappeared Mutants contributing to Ayla's multi-BIT...

Then again, the Chakan Prophecy says "the False Friend is neither Good nor Kind", so the False Friend is from an unknown branch of the Goodkinds, and wouldn't even be known as a Goodkind until the very end?

OR... that part already happened, and was the Dark Phoenix scenario, where Sam was running as Ayla??

I wonder what the four things that worked properly in his transforming spell-thing were...

Intervention has things that may have Ayla's femininity be a result of self-image rather than the transforming drug...

So, the traits Nimbus wants may be: Warper, Magic, possibly that glow that Ayla lost... Glamour-resistance? Anything else?

Malady wrote: I wonder what the four things that worked properly in his transforming spell-thing were...

Intervention has things that may have Ayla's femininity be a result of self-image rather than the transforming drug...

So, the traits Nimbus wants may be: Warper, Magic, possibly that glow that Ayla lost... Glamour-resistance? Anything else?

BIT shredding

Malady wrote: Intervention has things that may have Ayla's femininity be a result of self-image rather than the transforming drug...

Really, I feel it could go either way. Events in Intervention may have skewed Ayla's appearance towards the feminine, or it might even have caused Ayla to feel resolute in his masculinity, resulting in the important physical distinction.

According to both Chou and DW, and Knickknack Ayla has multiple BITs and at least one of them IDed most of them being female.

It is possible that Nimbus did some prep work on Trevor before he was born, of course how much do we really know about Nimbus, we assume that Nimbus is male, but other than what they have done that we know about we don't know anything, we don't even know if Nimbus is a person or group technically, for all we know (while highly unlikely) Nimbus could be a split personality of Helen Goodkind, formed when she lost her sister, there are good indicators that he had the bomb planted in a certain technopathic energizer's rear end, I mean if you follow that line of thought, Nimbus could be a split of Helen that is obsessed with figuring out mutants and convincing the world they all need to be removed, and eliminating Whatelely so they have nowhere to go. Point is while admittedly highly unlikely there is nothing that says this could not be the case, other events that we suspect they are behind may indicate otherwise but we don't know if Nimbus is involved in those. We don't know enough

^ How would he have done such prep work? ... Do the Goodkinds have a family doctor, who is secretly Nimbus, or something???

Malady wrote: ^ How would he have done such prep work? ... Do the Goodkinds have a family doctor, who is secretly Nimbus, or something???

maybe Nimbus has a connection to Dr. Hammond?

Malady wrote: ^ How would he have done such prep work? ... Do the Goodkinds have a family doctor, who is secretly Nimbus, or something???

All goodkind children get a prenatal screening, to me that sounds like a moment of opportunity.

It has been said that Ayla's BIT appears to be haphazardly comprised of several BITs kinda smashed inelegantly together, so Ayla's "mutation" seems to be an artificially engineered attempt to flip the bird to the Goodkinds.

Rose Bunny wrote: It has been said that Ayla's BIT appears to be haphazardly comprised of several BITs kinda smashed inelegantly together, so Ayla's "mutation" seems to be an artificially engineered attempt to flip the bird to the Goodkinds.

Its worse than that, those BITs likely came from human sacrifices, 81 people. he has sacrificed 108 people between Phase and Puppet (Ayla and the Mad Scientist 22)....

Its more than just flipping the bird, too much effort without there being a bigger motive behind it

mhalpern wrote: Its more than just flipping the bird, too much effort without there being a bigger motive behind it

Ok, ok... double bird.

Ayla and the late Trevor Goodkind wrote: Hammond calmly said, “Definitely. We have the DNA scans you had performed when Trevor was in utero, and matching DNA scans from the internists who looked at Trevor’s growth deficiency. I’ve examined the DNA scans from all of those. That gave me his DNA at ages six, nine, and twelve also. As recently as age twelve, only two years ago, his DNA was normal. Baseline. No portion of the meta-gene complexes we have isolated from mutants.”

Father pushed, “So how could that.. that monster be Trevor?”

“Just look at these PCR outputs from our mutant in there. See these massive strings of matches? This is definitely Trevor’s DNA, but with a meta-gene complex spliced in, after the fact. Somehow, at some point in the last two years, he was infected with something, perhaps a retrovirus, and that unknown something has altered all of his DNA. This may be the very evidence of the ‘ribonucleic heterotrophy infectious agent’ that I have been searching for.”

So Ayla wasn't infected until sometime after he was 12 or so.

Helen Goodkind can't be Nimbus/HM because she hasn't disappeared for the long stretches of time necessary to be a student at Whateley.

Valentine wrote:

Ayla and the late Trevor Goodkind wrote: Hammond calmly said, “Definitely. We have the DNA scans you had performed when Trevor was in utero, and matching DNA scans from the internists who looked at Trevor’s growth deficiency. I’ve examined the DNA scans from all of those. That gave me his DNA at ages six, nine, and twelve also. As recently as age twelve, only two years ago, his DNA was normal. Baseline. No portion of the meta-gene complexes we have isolated from mutants.”

Father pushed, “So how could that.. that monster be Trevor?”

“Just look at these PCR outputs from our mutant in there. See these massive strings of matches? This is definitely Trevor’s DNA, but with a meta-gene complex spliced in, after the fact. Somehow, at some point in the last two years, he was infected with something, perhaps a retrovirus, and that unknown something has altered all of his DNA. This may be the very evidence of the ‘ribonucleic heterotrophy infectious agent’ that I have been searching for.”

So Ayla wasn't infected until sometime after he was 12 or so.

Helen Goodkind can't be Nimbus/HM because she hasn't disappeared for the long stretches of time necessary to be a student at Whateley.

We technically don't know if Nimbus is a student, after all what student would be able to use advanced mythos, excluding Sara, but even so, if that's the only reason...

He's posing as a student. He's either impersonating a student or possessing one or enrolled under a fake name.

Iwasforger03 wrote: He's posing as a student. He's either impersonating a student or possessing one or enrolled under a fake name.

Well we know he's not the Bastard, the bastard wouldn't pay so much attention to one family that is already a negative influence, I am refusing to believe he isn't related to the attempted murder of Murphy...

I thought The Bastard's present day resurgence was largely focused in the American West (but not as far east as Kayda's range. Idaho, North-Eastern California, Montana, Washington, Wyoming, and Oregon basically.

Nimbus is something else, allied with a different GOO. More modern.

All we really know is that Nimbus is posing as a student, trained Hekate, has access to both devisor and mythos stuff, and has great distain for both Ayla and Jobe, also cares little for human life and least narrowing of all hates Goodkinds. We know only a few wiz devisors, but if I were to guess I would bet on the one we 'know' supposedly has trouble mixing the two talents and is a bad seed, what better way to hide skill than to pretend you suck

Has it been confirmed in story or by Word of God from one of the authors that Nimbus is Hekate's Master? Because I don't recall anything definitive one way or another about it. Plus one other detail about Hekate's Master which isn't noted above. It has been stated by one or more of the authors he isn't in the magic track at school, despite having skill in Mythos magic. Thus no student with a listed Wiz trait or in the magic classes will work based on that.

Give A Pocketful of Tansy a read...

Hmmm... thing is, in that story, it is the Don who claims HM is Nimbus. HM does not refute the claim, but does not confirm it either. And the Don has been wrong before.

Just playing devil's advocate. We have been reminded all the time of the pitfalls of taking an Unreliable Narrator's words as gospel. The Don is unreliable, and while the story is from Tansy's POV, in this particular scene he was the source of the info.

In reference to HM hiding as Nephandus because he's bad at being a Wiz/Devisor... well, even better is to hide as a pure Devisor, keeping one's magical abilities hidden. (He might also have hid as a pure Wiz, but then there's the thing about Sebastiano talking to him as if HM was a common presence in the devisor tunnels, suggesting that his tech-head aspect is public)

Dreamer wrote: Has it been confirmed in story or by Word of God from one of the authors that Nimbus is Hekate's Master? Because I don't recall anything definitive one way or another about it. Plus one other detail about Hekate's Master which isn't noted above. It has been stated by one or more of the authors he isn't in the magic track at school, despite having skill in Mythos magic. Thus no student with a listed Wiz trait or in the magic classes will work based on that.

you said it yourself... "listed Wiz trait"... students never lie or deceive about how their powers work, ask Jade about that.

Sir Lee wrote: Hmmm... thing is, in that story, it is the Don who claims HM is Nimbus. HM does not refute the claim, but does not confirm it either. And the Don has been wrong before.

Sun and Fun also VERY HEAVILY implies HM is Nimbus.

Yes. There is a strong claim that HM and Nimbus are one and the same, but not definitive evidence. And would the CC ever foist a red herring on the readers?

@Valentines:

On Hazmat as Nimbus, where is it shown that Hazmat has a family? All the info comes from Hazmat?

@SirLee,
If nothing else, Occam's Razor. To be able to hide in plain sight at Whateley one has to be able to shield one's mind from Fubar plus all the other less powerful psionics. One also has to be able to hide from e.g.Mrs Potter. Then there is the strong link to mythos magic that Sara and Tenyo would recognise (as yummy). As do Fey and Razorback.
While it is possible that more than one person has the link to mythos magic and not gone as bonkers from it as e.g.the Necromancer or the Bastard AND has the skill to use that magic to evade discovery AND decided that out of all the planet the school most densely packed with mutants who could detect and defeat them is the best place to go hide, I'd say that having even one of them is an amazing coincidence. Having two would be stretching probability extremely far for good writing. Pulling it off without coming across as a cheap plot device or poor jump scare is incredibly hard.

@Valentines,
I'd say that Anna, and her boyfriend, are safe enough from this surpise twist. Hazmat is a chem divisor, and a fairly competent one at that. He just had to learn the lesson of not testing experimental hair removal chemicals on himself first chance.
On top of that Nimbus is described, by sources inside the Syndicate and outside of it as being a technomancer, who combines technology with (mythos) magic to do things that are impossible for either power alone.
Then there is the Don describing the apparent student persona that Nimbus has adopted as being cowardly and snivelling. Now the Don is one of the least reliable narrators, but Tansy essentially reinforced the narration when she described how the voice she heard changed after the Don confronted Nimbus from scared and deferential to terrifying,.
While it is no absolute guarantee, it suggests that Nimbus is one of the tech students in the workshop not a chem or bio divisor.
Also, because Nimbus provided the Chessmaster with weapons he wanted to test against mutants and trained soldiers, I am inclined to go with the theory that Nimbus focusses on electronics rather than on mechanics. Neither the sabretooths nor the chessmen had special mechanical weapons or equipment, but they used advanced electronics (for all the good it did them).

Not necessarily a clue about Nimbus, but in Ayla and the Birthday Brawl, a suspiciously anonymous figure is seen speaking to Megadeath, convincing him (again) that he could not go with Ayla and the others, subtly hinting that Harvey could not be friends with Team Kimba and should not try to stay in close contact with Ayla. This person is well know to Harvey and apparently if not friends they are comfortable in each others company. We know that Harvey does most of his works with electronics, which suggests that this other person is from his workshop and also an electronics devisor.

This leads me to present an alternative speculation for the alter ego for Nimbus:
Doctor Goodvibes.

And now I really hope I am wrong because I do not want to spoil the eventual surprise reveal of Nimbus. Maybe I should leave this particular part of the forums and stop overthinking the clues ...

Malady wrote: @Valentines:

On Hazmat as Nimbus, where is it shown that Hazmat has a family? All the info comes from Hazmat?

He was also planning on inviting Anna out to see them. Plus given the way Anna reacted to Sara, Nimbus would have to make sure he had no taint of Mythos magic on him.

@ Erianaiel - We've been discussing this since the beginning, ponder away it isn't spoiling.

I don't think it's Goodvibes, he hasn't come across as sniveling or whiny. Erlenmeyer, on the other hand is that way, and when Underdogs think you are whiny, you've got to be pretty whiny.

What if our resident fat man who rides in an anti-gravity chair is actually Nimbus?! We know that he is a wannabe bad seed, that he mashes up other people's work to make new stuff. He makes himself appear to be weak and helpless, but is the avatar of the demon of gluttony actually as weak and helpless as he makes himself appear, or is he just putting that act on as a mask? Yeah Belphegor I'm talking about you!

I think we have had glimpses at Belfo's thoughts in the past. Also, there's the thing with Belphoebe having a copy of his memories but a different personality. Those would make it less likely for Belfatass to be Nimbus in disguise.

OTOH, there's another possibility: instead of Nimbus being on-campus 24/7 as a student (which would likely put a crimp on his role as a major force in the Syndicate), what if he only "takes over" his previously-prepared student at times, leaving the original mind unaware of the possession? That would open the field A LOT. Stuff of having a family would no longer be an obstacle, if Nimbus just "retreats" inside his mount's mind whenever they have to interact with family.

@Valentine - Where does Anna meet Carmilla? ... Also, Carmilla is obviously Mythos, while Nimbus can presumably hide it?

*shrugs*

Erianaiel wrote: While it is no absolute guarantee, it suggests that Nimbus is one of the tech students in the workshop not a chem or bio divisor.

The chem and bio devisors' labs are in the Workshop, because they are on the school's tech track.

Erianaiel wrote: This leads me to present an alternative speculation for the alter ego for Nimbus:
Doctor Goodvibes.

Being in the Class of 2010 almost certainly requires Nimbus to not be Hekate's Master.

I'm pretty sure that Anna has been at the table when Sara ate a dog...Not sure what story that happens in, but I'm sure she's been there with Jade or Ayla.
I'm definitely not convinced (unless Sir Lee is correct) that Hazmat is the best fit for HM/Nimbus.
I just threw out Belfatso for gits and shiggles!

Malady wrote: @Valentine - Where does Anna meet Carmilla? ... Also, Carmilla is obviously Mythos, while Nimbus can presumably hide it?

*shrugs*

When she is delivering the first batch of squirrels home. She is under Hawthorne talking to Foobs, when Sara walks by.

Suddenly the hairs on the back of her neck stood straight up. Her squirrels chittered frantically, "RUN! Run now! Bad thing coming! Run!"
She turned around and looked. It was a girl in a Whateley uniform. She looked about seventeen, and really really goth. Her skin was pasty white, and she had black lipstick with lots of black eyeliner too. Except it wasn't makeup, because her eyes were like glowing red threats.
"C-carmilla," she managed to say. She instinctively put her carrier behind her. Part of her body wanted to run as fast as she could and not stop running until she passed out from exhaustion. Part of her body wanted to stay, and not leave, even if the girl might do weird and demonic things to her. She didn't know what was going on, but part of her wanted to take her coat off and touch Carmilla.
"Run! Run fast! Bad thing will eat us all! You too!"
Carmilla tilted her head as she stared at the carrier. "They're really scared of me, aren't they?" Anna managed to nod. "Don't worry. I'm just on my way to the arena. Tell them I won't eat them."
She strolled on past. Anna stared after her. It wasn't until Carmilla was down the steps and out of sight that Fubar said, "It's her aura. She's got it down as much as she can, but it still affects the sensitive, and your spirit makes you more sensitive than most humans. The fear and the lust are perfectly natural reactions. Don't worry about it."

Maybe he can hide it.

When that mask comes off, when the identity is revealed, even the authors no longer with us will feel it. Something like:

Kristin Darken wrote: The August 2019 Super-Mega edition Whateley Academy Crossover Edition will be the full novel length 15 year book. All the returning characters. All the reveals. All the biggest battles. All in one book sized release. Who is Nimbus? Who is Hekate's Master? Who will finally defeat the Bastard? What really happened in GEO?

What happened to Spirit-Chan.

I always thought Nimbus was hiding as a teacher, doubling as a tech student when appropriate. What better way to constantly be in the tunnels?

Valentine wrote:
What happened to Spirit-Chan.

Who do you think defeats all the big bads? She does.

Sir Lee wrote: I think we have had glimpses at Belfo's thoughts in the past. Also, there's the thing with Belphoebe having a copy of his memories but a different personality. Those would make it less likely for Belfatass to be Nimbus in disguise.

One of the few bits of POV we have from Nimbus is of him thinking about how much work went into setting things up so he could manipulating Belphegor into sabotaging Jobe's treatment for Phase.

I wonder if Nimbus ever worked with Wulfrin the Purifier, since her minion, Dietrich, figured out that tampering with a certain part of the genome led to Gendershifts and GSD...

And there was this "Reston" incident related to such genetic tampering, that was only mentioned in Murphy's Laws of Whateley ...

I guess that was Dietrich's messing around with Fertility Clinics, though?

Since this is connected to Nimbus, I'm not starting a separate thread just for Abigail...

What if Nimbus is " Elihu Whateley ", revived by " Bathsheba Peaslee Whateley ", who took over " Abigail Orne "'s body, and is now "Abigail"?

... If Bio-Devs can regrow bodies for revival, a sufficiently smart mage, could do it too?

OK, I guess it's possible. But without any supporting clue, it should be filed under "epileptic trees" for the time being.

I'm not sure if it is mentioned up thread, but that whole Bedlem thing in No Beast so Fierce strikes me as Nimbus plottage, either him putting the armor on personally or a minion.

Nimue. "Nimbus....what a pitiful little creature."