Question Elle Ruud

What's that... Elrod's got a new character? Tell us what you think about them here...

So, this'll be the thread for talking about the actual character, instead of this one, for speculation? : whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...5-elle-ruud-concepts

Yuppers. Elle is no longer idle speculation (and there was much rejoicing - nearly as much as when King Arthur and his men were forced to eat Robin's minstrels)

Well, with that title, "Dawn of the Aurora", likely Elle's codename is Aurora, ... also 'cause of her Aurora Borealis Eyes.

Also, previous discussions on her codename had something about Disney Princess-ness? So, like Princess Aurora?

So, changing into a pretty girl, attacked and beaten up by your classmates, sounds like an Elrod character.

Valentine wrote: So, changing into a pretty girl, attacked and beaten up by your classmates, sounds like an Elrod character.

Elle didn't get beaten up. Yet. And it's not all the classmates. Only a couple of idiots.

elrodw wrote:

Valentine wrote: So, changing into a pretty girl, attacked and beaten up by your classmates, sounds like an Elrod character.

Elle didn't get beaten up. Yet. And it's not all the classmates. Only a couple of idiots.

Still her classmates though? Then again, where else are meaningful combat confrontations gonna come from? Her family? Not bloody likely.

The locker room scene was more like the typical sports-team hazing and crap from when I was in school. Not physically harmful, but a major PITA.

We'll have to wait and see if anything worse happens to Einar/Elle!

elrodw wrote: The locker room scene was more like the typical sports-team hazing and crap from when I was in school. Not physically harmful, but a major PITA.

We'll have to wait and see if anything worse happens to Einar/Elle!

You're just biding your time, luring us into a false sense of security aren't you?
By the end of the next chapter she'll be a bloody wreck, probably chased by demon dogs that spit demonic bees from their mouths.
Bees covered in fire!

Domo, she already has worse after her. A witch's coven out to save their own selves and innocents the would be forced to sacrifice to stay young and beautiful if they are bound to the also returning, from the sounds of it, Sidhe lord. Plus the Sidhe lord himself even if the witch's coven somehow becomes no longer a threat. So she has plenty of trouble to deal with already and not even at Whateley yet.

DanZilla wrote: What's that... Elrod's got a new character? Tell us what you think about them here...

While she lasts...

Dreamer wrote: Domo, she already has worse after her. A witch's coven out to save their own selves and innocents the would be forced to sacrifice to stay young and beautiful if they are bound to the also returning, from the sounds of it, Sidhe lord. Plus the Sidhe lord himself even if the witch's coven somehow becomes no longer a threat. So she has plenty of trouble to deal with already and not even at Whateley yet.

Yeah, and they'll use demon dogs, who spit demonic bees from the mouth, and the bees are on fire to catch her.

Domoviye wrote:

Dreamer wrote: Domo, she already has worse after her. A witch's coven out to save their own selves and innocents the would be forced to sacrifice to stay young and beautiful if they are bound to the also returning, from the sounds of it, Sidhe lord. Plus the Sidhe lord himself even if the witch's coven somehow becomes no longer a threat. So she has plenty of trouble to deal with already and not even at Whateley yet.

Yeah, and they'll use demon dogs, who spit demonic bees from the mouth, and the bees are on fire to catch her.

You're giving Elrod ideas. Please! Like Elrod needs advice on how to torture characters...

The few times elrod has asked me for ideas I usually give him funny ones, after a horrific one. At least two or three funny ideas for every torture.
I save the horror for my own stories.

Bek D Corbin wrote: You're giving Elrod ideas. Please! Like Elrod needs advice on how to torture characters...

Part 2 is already in the can, so you aren't giving me ideas. (At least not for Elle 1.)

"Elle, it's about time."



So either the hobgoblins are as "harmless" as regular ones, or they had a Holy Hand Grenade at the ready to deal with them.

Malady wrote: Well, with that title, "Dawn of the Aurora", likely Elle's codename is Aurora, ... also 'cause of her Aurora Borealis Eyes.

Also, previous discussions on her codename had something about Disney Princess-ness? So, like Princess Aurora?

The "princess-ness" discussion had to do with Elsa from Frozen, who is patterned after Elle (obviously) and thus Elle will enlist the help of Ayla to get Disney a cease-and-desist order, or huge royalties, for using Elle's likeness and powers when they made the now-famous feature animation

elrodw wrote:

Malady wrote: Well, with that title, "Dawn of the Aurora", likely Elle's codename is Aurora, ... also 'cause of her Aurora Borealis Eyes.

Also, previous discussions on her codename had something about Disney Princess-ness? So, like Princess Aurora?

The "princess-ness" discussion had to do with Elsa from Frozen, who is patterned after Elle (obviously) and thus Elle will enlist the help of Ayla to get Disney a cease-and-desist order, or huge royalties, for using Elle's likeness and powers when they made the now-famous feature animation

At which point Disney's true power, its lawyers, will win again. After all, apart from being white, 'Simba' is an aweful lot like 'Kimba'

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

elrodw wrote:

Malady wrote: Well, with that title, "Dawn of the Aurora", likely Elle's codename is Aurora, ... also 'cause of her Aurora Borealis Eyes.

Also, previous discussions on her codename had something about Disney Princess-ness? So, like Princess Aurora?

The "princess-ness" discussion had to do with Elsa from Frozen, who is patterned after Elle (obviously) and thus Elle will enlist the help of Ayla to get Disney a cease-and-desist order, or huge royalties, for using Elle's likeness and powers when they made the now-famous feature animation

At which point Disney's true power, its lawyers, will win again. After all, apart from being white, 'Simba' is an aweful lot like 'Kimba'

That wouldn't work. Team Kimba is named after Kimba the White Lion, a work not connected to Disney I believe is still protected under its own copyright which hasn't run out yet. Plus can't try to sue over something which is a real name, the judge would throw the book at the Disney lawyers for wasting his time.

Dreamer wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

elrodw wrote:

Malady wrote: Well, with that title, "Dawn of the Aurora", likely Elle's codename is Aurora, ... also 'cause of her Aurora Borealis Eyes.

Also, previous discussions on her codename had something about Disney Princess-ness? So, like Princess Aurora?

The "princess-ness" discussion had to do with Elsa from Frozen, who is patterned after Elle (obviously) and thus Elle will enlist the help of Ayla to get Disney a cease-and-desist order, or huge royalties, for using Elle's likeness and powers when they made the now-famous feature animation

At which point Disney's true power, its lawyers, will win again. After all, apart from being white, 'Simba' is an aweful lot like 'Kimba'

That wouldn't work. Team Kimba is named after Kimba the White Lion, a work not connected to Disney I believe is still protected under its own copyright which hasn't run out yet. Plus can't try to sue over something which is a real name, the judge would throw the book at the Disney lawyers for wasting his time.

And yet, 'The Lion King' with its main protagonist 'Simba' exists.

Proving my point about Disney and the power of their lawyers, i.e. 'What's ours is ours, and forevermore will remain so, and what's yours is ours to, because we want it'.

Yeah, the point of the Disney mention was that Disney apparently plagiarized parts of "Kimba" and got away with it, and that Elle trying to sue Disney over "Frozen" would be unlikely to succeed since Disney has possibly the best army of IP lawyers in the world.

Sir Lee wrote: Yeah, the point of the Disney mention was that Disney apparently plagiarized parts of "Kimba" and got away with it, and that Elle trying to sue Disney over "Frozen" would be unlikely to succeed since Disney has possibly the best army of IP lawyers in the world.

Now if LOOPHOLE was the lawyer, she might have a chance

Nah. Parky has a better shot, and he's not a copyright lawyer. Loophole doesn't know how to work a courtroom yet.

Speaking of Elle (she came up in Absinthe of Malice thread)... where is she? I don't recall any mention of her in any stories... but wasn't she starting Whateley this fall? Did that fall through? Did I misread dates? I swear she manifested in 2006... and was joining Whateley in fall 07.

She's not in Poe (which isn't as surprising when you realize she's been out as a changeling to the entire country for almost a year now) but I still would have expected some notice of her, mention, something. I can't imagine Nikki wouldn't have felt... something.

No, Elle is NOT a Poesie in the fall. Yes, she IS on campus.

The biggest problem is that I haven't had time or motivation to write for the last 5 months, mostly because I had a rotator cuff repair in my left shoulder and I was pretty drugged up or in pain, and then our house flooded in Hurricane Harvey, and it's been chaos ever since. The house repair is a slow thing because there are so many houses needing repair and not enough contractors to do the job. So it's demoralizing, and that's impacted my writing time and desire.

I have Elle stories planned. Yes, she will interact with Fey. Yes, she will interact with Absinthe. But only after I'm able to get time and zeal for writing.

Thank you so much Elrod, I'm sorry for being rude.

I comprehend now. I will wait with patience for your zeal. Pray for it if you don't mind.

Apology is not necessary. My response was not intended to sound angry, but as an explanation of why my story output - and tales of Elle - are significantly slowed. I'm trying - ideas come to me, but I'm just not finding huge motivation to write. For that, I apologize to my fans. I appreciate you continuing to discuss, speculate, and ask for more stories. I'll get the moving again - eventually.

I killed Elrod by killing Lucy...

I got through those phases, but I haven't had a severe disabling injury since summer of second grade (broken elbow). So I can't speak as to how that would screw with my writing.

If it helps, sometimes I just need to marathon my all time favorite shows and moments (Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood and the Skypiea->Enies Lobby arcs of One Piece typically) to put me into a mood. I also get a lot of writing inspiration from my Dnd games. I have no idea what your free time or hobby situation is, but if that helps at all, yay! Or Marathon something new I haven't seen before. What inspired Elle to begin with? Rereading my own works has also helped me sometimes.

I hope something helps if you want it to. I also hope/pray your home flooded and rotator cuff situations are fixed.

elrodw wrote: I have Elle stories planned. Yes, she will interact with Fey. Yes, she will interact with Absinthe. But only after I'm able to get time and zeal for writing.

And then she can interact with Metro!

Because in my WhatIF setting I kind of put one of the remaining passages between Midgard and Jotunheim along E14, in the uplands above Meraker before re-reading "Dawn of the Aurora". It's not like Einar/Elle routinely had a need to visit Sweden anyway.

At the moment, I'm picturing someone else coming back back to the Beret Mafia table after the winter break with "Guess what I've been invited to!" news. But, "Enjoy your skiing trip? " also works.

There IS an existing Elle short that's fit into another story that's somewhere in the pipeline.

But yeah. We know she's the 7th queen (of the ice or snow or whatever). We know she can affect the temperature and wind and stuff. We'll know more in her little short bit when it arrives. And we know her spirit doesn't remember much - got spirit amnesia. And there's another character somewhere in published canon that will interact heavily with Elle. Not counting Fey. Fey will, too. Oh, and another of my characters will as well, but the background on all THAT will show up in the short bit.

She's going to challenge Kodiak for the title of "most likely to wear a swimsuit in a blizzard". If pressed, she might use her snow and ice powers to make the resident Alaskan say "I have to admit that it's getting a bit cool". Some guys may find her quite charming; others, perhaps a bit ... frigid. So life should be interesting, and thus her stories.

elrodw wrote: Apology is not necessary. My response was not intended to sound angry, but as an explanation of why my story output - and tales of Elle - are significantly slowed. I'm trying - ideas come to me, but I'm just not finding huge motivation to write. For that, I apologize to my fans. I appreciate you continuing to discuss, speculate, and ask for more stories. I'll get the moving again - eventually.

Came across as more frustration than anger to me. Deep breaths.

elrodw wrote: She's going to challenge Kodiak for the title of "most likely to wear a swimsuit in a blizzard". If pressed, she might use her snow and ice powers to make the resident Alaskan say "I have to admit that it's getting a bit cool". Some guys may find her quite charming; others, perhaps a bit ... frigid. So life should be interesting, and thus her stories.

And here I thought Jobe already pulled that off fighting Counterpoint in the Second Book of Jobe.

Considering the fact that I'm likely one of those most interested in seeing more Elle... Just be sure to take care of your life first, Elrod. Don't want writing (or lack thereof) induced stress piling up on top of the rest.

I’ve actually seen a story with more Elle in it from Elrod.

... that’s not to say you’re going to see it, just that I have seen it

How much more Elle?? If she just appears at the end, I'll ROFL.

But, if she isn't the protag for that story... Who is?

Malady wrote: How much more Elle?? If she just appears at the end, I'll ROFL.

But, if she isn't the protag for that story... Who is?

That would be telling

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Malady wrote: How much more Elle?? If she just appears at the end, I'll ROFL.

But, if she isn't the protag for that story... Who is?

That would be telling

And this is a case (though I haven't seen the story yet) of mustn't tell. Though you are for letting us know it is out there but we can only wait with bated breath for it...

Serious-er though, I bet the POV is Absinthe, 'cause we've got confirmation that they're gonna meet 'cause they're Sidhe and stuff...

Hmm... Absinthe as MCO Liaison, part of the team picking her up from the airport or something? Dunno how these things work. Elle, as a, Prophesied Sidhe Royal, should be under heavy guard or something???

Malady wrote: Hmm... Absinthe as MCO Liaison, part of the team picking her up from the airport or something?

That wouldn't work. Elle manifested months before Gwen did, and ended up arriving on time for the start of the school year. Absinthe and Flytrap don't arrive until October.

Malady wrote: Dunno how these things work. Elle, as a, Prophesied Sidhe Royal, should be under heavy guard or something???

Norway has its own royalty

As Elle is a minor, and has been stalked and attacked, it would be reasonable for someone to recommend that she not travel alone. If there were indications of a higher threat, it would be simple to ensure that she's not the only hero, Whateley student, alum, and/or staff on her flights. (Flying out of Trondheim, someone could easily board in Oslo, Copenhagen, or Amsterdam, depending on route and cost without it looking anything at all out of the ordinary. For a few dollars and headaches more, she could also be routed through London.)

null0trooper wrote:

Malady wrote: Hmm... Absinthe as MCO Liaison, part of the team picking her up from the airport or something?

That wouldn't work. Elle manifested months before Gwen did, and ended up arriving on time for the start of the school year. Absinthe and Flytrap don't arrive until October.

OH. So we just haven't seen her around. Hmm. A lot of speculation could fit there.

... Or was she mentioned, and I just don't remember?

Malady wrote: Or was she mentioned, and I just don't remember?

That would be correct

oh, she was mentioned? I thought she hadn't been seen yet.

Alright, everyone start digging, we gotta find that cameo!

It occurs to me that since Zephyr and Elle have very similar powers, though Elle is undoubtedly MUCH stronger, that if Lady Constance does find out about Elle being ancient Sidhe royalty... the entire campus could be awash in a big old cold snow fight... * pictures Chaka looking out the window chanting "Snow day! snow day! Snow Day!"

Rose Bunny wrote: It occurs to me that since Zephyr and Elle have very similar powers, though Elle is undoubtedly MUCH stronger, that if Lady Constance does find out about Elle being ancient Sidhe royalty... the entire campus could be awash in a big old cold snow fight... * pictures Chaka looking out the window chanting "Snow day! snow day! Snow Day!"

You have NO idea ....

ooh... if there is a Zephyr vs Elle fight in the canon works, I'm glad the events take place BEFORE Frozen was released... because nobody needs to Micro-scene anyone singing "Let it Go"...

... Might seeing Zephyr awaken some bad memories of the Pre-Sundering Era? It didn't for Aung, but Elle and Aegloswen... Hmm... ... Zephyr's styling of herself as Sidhe Royalty / Nobility might not be a lie?

She might be Ninimeth...? Or at least, she "has emerald eyes, and magnificent waist length white blonde hair."

... We never got an answer on why Aung's hair is red now, as Nikki, but white in the past and stuff?

So many mysteries, and WMGs, that I have no guess on accuracy on! ... Ah. It's hilarious!

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How did Aegloswen die? Killed by Ninimeth??

Malady wrote: ... Might seeing Zephyr awaken some bad memories of the Pre-Sundering Era? It didn't for Aung, but Elle and Aegloswen... Hmm... ... Zephyr's styling of herself as Sidhe Royalty / Nobility might not be a lie?

She might be Ninimeth...? Or at least, she "has emerald eyes, and magnificent waist length white blonde hair."

... We never got an answer on why Aung's hair is red now, as Nikki, but white in the past and stuff?

So many mysteries, and WMGs, that I have no guess on accuracy on! ... Ah. It's hilarious!

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How did Aegloswen die? Killed by Ninimeth??

Well, we have gotten hints Mal as to why the difference in hair color...

Oh, yeah. That thing seems basically confirmed that it's responsible, yeah. ... Sorta weird how it's Aung's, no? The name doesn't fit with her other titles?



Why make her hair white... OH. It's part of that " Sidhe that use different Essence Types, look different. " Thing.

What does that mean about the Fan-Sidhe???

... Hmm... Explains Elemental Eyes and stuff in humans, too? Like Rip's Water Blue Eyes, but that's tangential.

elrodw wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: It occurs to me that since Zephyr and Elle have very similar powers, though Elle is undoubtedly MUCH stronger, that if Lady Constance does find out about Elle being ancient Sidhe royalty... the entire campus could be awash in a big old cold snow fight... * pictures Chaka looking out the window chanting "Snow day! snow day! Snow Day!"

You have NO idea ....

I'm gonna treat this as a good sign no matter how much you make me cry. I just loved Elle.

Elle was mentioned by Phase as one of the new students for TK to keep an eye on.

I am guessing that Elle appears in a Charge story, in France.

oh-ho, i missed that.

null0trooper wrote: .... depending on route and cost without it looking anything at all out of the ordinary. For a few dollars and headaches more, she could also be routed through London.)

I'm sure Astrodragon will join me in vehemently begging you not to suggest to Elrod that any characters use OUR country's transport systems.

Elrod tortures his characters enough as it is. You don't need to add British transport to their hells.

Kaitha39 wrote:

null0trooper wrote: .... depending on route and cost without it looking anything at all out of the ordinary. For a few dollars and headaches more, she could also be routed through London.)

I'm sure Astrodragon will join me in vehemently begging you not to suggest to Elrod that any characters use OUR country's transport systems.

Elrod tortures his characters enough as it is. You don't need to add British transport to their hells.

There's worse things than British Rail.
There's Greyhound.

Why would Elle take Brit Rail? She is going from Norway (or possibly Denmakr) to the U.S. Granted, the railway systems in Europe are pretty well integrated, so it's possible to go by train from Norway to London and from there to fly to, say, Boston. But it doesn't make a lot of sense. Google Maps tell me that it takes at least 23 hours for the trip from Oslo to London, and it takes SIX different trains... (eight to Heathrow) and EVEN SO, the only parts of "British Rail" she would see would be:
a) The final leg of the Eurostar from the Chunnel to London St. Pancras, and
b) The London Tube from St. Pancras to Paddington, and
c) The Heathrow Express
none of which, I expect, would be considered "typical" of British Rail.

But, anyway, flying directly to Heathrow makes MUCH more sense.

Actually she doesn't need to take the Heathrow Express, you can get to Heathrow on the tube.

You mean she doesn't want the opportunity to shop in London before going to Whateley?

If shopping is your goal... hey, Paris is also an option.

Hmmm... checking online...

...it seems that London is the best choice. I couldn't find a direct flight from Oslo to Boston, but I found a bunch with a single Heathrow stop, a few with single Amsterdam sops... and one with a single Lisbon stop, but it's a much longer flight -- also MUCH cheaper. And a lot of flights with two stops (either Helsinki-New York or London-New York, sometimes Helsinki-London or going through Philadelphia instead of NY)

But apparently no stopovers in Paris. Looking further, it seems that there are no direct flights from Paris to Boston. Well, that would explain it being a bad option...

Elle's likely route was Charles de Gaulle and then Logan.

That is more than enough suffering for anyone.

Sir Lee wrote: ...ours for the trip from Oslo to London, and it takes SIX different trains... (eight to Heathrow) and EVEN SO, the only parts of "British Rail" she would see would be:
a) The final leg of the Eurostar from the Chunnel to London St. Pancras, and
b) The London Tube from St. Pancras to Paddington, and
c) The Heathrow Express

I warn you here and now, I have, multiple times, gotten lost trying to find St. Pancreas from King's Cross.
Yes, I know there is a tunnel, so technically they're in the same building.
That's my point.

It has been years since I was in London, but...

I very much doubt that anyonecoming via Eurostar from the continent will have any trouble finding St. Pancras. I mean, how hard can it be? You just have to stay in the train until they tell you that everybody is supposed to leave it.

Now, finding King's Cross from there might be a tad more complicated -- I yield to your superior knowledge in that regard.

Still, the point is made. Why would she? I suspect there are closer international airports than London and Elle isn't likely to be that hard up for transport that London is cheaper than anything closer.

Sir Lee wrote: I very much doubt that anyonecoming via Eurostar from the continent will have any trouble finding St. Pancras.
Now, finding King's Cross from there might be a tad more complicated -- I yield to your superior knowledge in that regard.

The train itself is also advertised as being to St. Pancras, or at least, HS1 is. It'd be weird for anyone to get off at Ebbsfleet or something.

To be honest, I never had trouble finding King's Cross from St. Pancras. Just the other way around.

Forger: It'd be more about time than money. London is far more of a "global" hub that any of the other western European Airports, with four registered airports doing approximately 150 million passagers in 2016 with the next down being Paris with two airports doing 95million.
Given that, it's no surprise that the UK serves much more frequent and numerous flights to the US.

TBH, I wouldn't be too surprised if she tried for Norway-Glasgow-(Heathrow)-America

Isn't Elle basically going on the Government's Dime? For all we know, they chartered a plane JUST to take her to the US because of concerns she'd be kidnapped by witches again.

There was a reason I guessed she went to the US via Charles de Gaulle. The story is pretty clear that she was spending time with Amelie Vitesse, Mage Astre, and Magni Fist, learning French and being tutored to defend herself.

Why exactly would she go to Heathrow when she was in either Paris or Bordeaux for the entire summer?

That would also neatly explain why Phase knew about her.

Amelie told her sister, and Adalie told Ayla.

Katssun wrote: There was a reason I guessed she went to the US via Charles de Gaulle. The story is pretty clear that she was spending time with Amelie Vitesse, Mage Astre, and Magni Fist, learning French and being tutored to defend herself.

Why exactly would she go to Heathrow when she was in either Paris or Bordeaux for the entire summer?

Because she originally wasn't going to be in France for the whole summer?

"So ... you're only talking a few weeks? Not the whole summer?" Mr. Ruud seemed a little mollified by her explanation.
"Oui, Monsieur," the French woman answered soothingly. "Think of it as ... a summer 'oliday for 'er."