Question Sara

When she finally gets out of the summoning circle, will Speakeasy still be alive? Will Sara be the one to deal with him?

I think she should get out while he is alive, and still young, but her vengeance isn't death, no Sara should use Speakeasy as a broodmare and have HIM popping out her spawn for the rest of his life. ( making sure he has level 4 regen beforehand so he lives a long long time )

Heh, I hope Gothmog is the one to catch up to Speakeasy. Poetic justice, transform him into a Lakota girl and forced to act like one. While his real self is trapped inside his/her mind, screaming to let him die already. I think I might have been reading too much of Domoviye's darker stories.

Hmm, Kayda's faithful companion and bodyguard perhaaps?

annachie wrote: Hmm, Kayda's faithful companion and bodyguard perhaaps?

Do you want Kayda to be even more traumatized? She would find out eventually, and she would not be happy.

Dreamer wrote: Heh, I hope Gothmog is the one to catch up to Speakeasy. Poetic justice, transform him into a Lakota girl and forced to act like one. While his real self is trapped inside his/her mind, screaming to let him die already. I think I might have been reading too much of Domoviye's darker stories.

naw, no changes, just being male and giving birth to Sara's spawn, the day one is born he gets pregnant again.
I think that would shatter him in no time.

Dawnfyre wrote:

Dreamer wrote: Heh, I hope Gothmog is the one to catch up to Speakeasy. Poetic justice, transform him into a Lakota girl and forced to act like one. While his real self is trapped inside his/her mind, screaming to let him die already. I think I might have been reading too much of Domoviye's darker stories.

naw, no changes, just being male and giving birth to Sara's spawn, the day one is born he gets pregnant again.
I think that would shatter him in no time.

Especially if the pregnancy lasts only a few weeks and nursing lasts a few months, in no time she'll have to add extra teats to his body in various places.

Okay, just going to say this now...

Please remind me to never tick any of you guys off. Y'all are getting downright vicious...

NeoMagus wrote: Okay, just going to say this now...

Please remind me to never tick any of you guys off. Y'all are getting downright vicious...

Speakeasy drove his accomplish to murder one person, tried to frame another for the crime, which would have been a death sentence if she had been convicted, all due to an ancient hatred of his Crow tribe for the Lakota tribe due to past wrongs. And used another like a tool, left her imprisoned, and then hid the imprisoning device before fleeing. He deserve whatever he gets, especially since he has not an ounce of remorse for what he has done and caused.

And because of manipulation a by a Master of Mythos Magic, the magic that drives you mad just by seeing it.

So, maybe some mitigating circumstances.

was catching up on some reading and in the new story Galatea Debutante

Sara is still MIA and I know its not her story--

but not one mention of Gothmog being told yet or Donna her legal guardian or ARC kinda getting mad as she is an employee of theirs and they have a vested interest in her for farther research --then add the only 'wife' of her's Hip seems to have noticed --even Paige --who Sara saved is quiet?? or her church? lets not mention the Medawihla tribe that owns the land the school sits on is linked to her --the head of the tribe worships her?

man the "bus" she is on has one blind driver and no map--lol

Who's POV has been shown that actually goes anywhere near the same circle as Sara?
If they did show all of this on screen, it would be simpler and easier to simply keep Sara around and write her up. Unfortunately as has been pointed out without her writer or any writer having anything close to her storyline, it's just really awkward writing her. So yeah, until such a time as someone is willing and able to come up with something directly related to her, she's on a bus and anything related to her is in the background.

too bad --IMO she was one of the best characters at the school

heck my fan fic at fiction mania has her in it

I would love to write her but she belongs to Dr Bender

Domoviye wrote: Who's POV has been shown that actually goes anywhere near the same circle as Sara?
If they did show all of this on screen, it would be simpler and easier to simply keep Sara around and write her up. Unfortunately as has been pointed out without her writer or any writer having anything close to her storyline, it's just really awkward writing her. So yeah, until such a time as someone is willing and able to come up with something directly related to her, she's on a bus and anything related to her is in the background.

More like, until Dr. Bender okays someone to write Sara's POV, she is parked and going nowhere.
unless Bender chooses to start writing her again.

The canon team would not have trapped Sara in the summoning circle if Dr. B. was still writing, or they had someone Dr. B. was ok with picking her up. And who could write Sara with he same feel as Dr B.?

I hope he starts up again I do remember him posting a bit back hinting at plans for a story soon --well lets hope?

He did. And they left it easy for hiim to hope back in if he so chooses.
Lots of room to play with showing the search for her, using strange magics and desperation, and then her triumphant return.

lighttech wrote: was catching up on some reading and in the new story Galatea Debutante

Sara is still MIA and I know its not her story--

but not one mention of Gothmog being told yet or Donna her legal guardian or ARC kinda getting mad as she is an employee of theirs and they have a vested interest in her for farther research --then add the only 'wife' of her's Hip seems to have noticed --even Paige --who Sara saved is quiet?? or her church? lets not mention the Medawihla tribe that owns the land the school sits on is linked to her --the head of the tribe worships her?

man the "bus" she is on has one blind driver and no map--lol

Galatea Debutante takes place three weeks or so after Sara is trapped, and last we saw Whateley Security was searching for her. What we don't know is what has happened during those three weeks. It is possible that ARC, Donna, Gothmog, her Church, and others have been told. If so, they are probably searching for Speakeasy, easier for them to search outside Whateley than it is for Whateley Security (they of course have their regular work to do). Paige is most likely searching the net for references to Speakeasy, possibly with Whisper and Blue's help.

lighttech wrote: Sara is still MIA and I know its not her story--

but not one mention of Gothmog being told yet or Donna her legal guardian or ARC...

Well, of course all of what Kirstin says above is true, however, let's approach this logically for a moment. The whole point of putting a character on a bus is so you DON'T mention them, right? So that they don't interfere with plots or when the big bad pulls something the fans aren't yelling why didn't character X stop that? 'Cause he's on the bus, that's why. He ain't there.

Let's review the trope:

So you're a film or TV show producer or the author of a book series, or the team behind a comic book, and you have a problem. You want a character out of the story, but you don't want to kill them off, you're not going to just flat out ignore them, and you certainly wouldn't have them just disappear for no reason and with no mention of it. However, there is a situation in which a character can be written out of a series in such a way that they can easily be returned later, if the creators so choose. They are Put On A Bus.

It's not that Sara is missing that bothers me. It's that the characters around her are still around. Most distressing should be Donna giving birth to a semi-GOO without Sara sometime soon. I suppose Gothmog will be there to handle keeping the mother from being devoured. That pregnancy started back in October 2006, didn't it? Should be due in July 07 for a normal human pregnancy. (And I would not think being a demon would lengthen the term of pregnancy.)

If the baby is due around June/July time frame then the birth can be done off screen in that the students would be home now for the summer. A writer would be able to talk about the birth as with the aftermath of what occurred thus bypassing the POV of the individual. Yes many people care for certain characters and yes it hurts to have them suddenly placed as cameo's or background ones but its a nature of the fact when having to deal with such dealings.

There were TV shows I cared about (yes we do put our time into them) and when cancelled I'd rant about the loss. Others I wished they had ended earlier because it became trivial of how off canter the characters had become. So in retrospect when the new school year comes certain characters will, I'm sure be pushed further away as a regrouping on the future takes hold.

We as the readers have to leave it to the writers here to let them deal with the boulders dropped, smash them into pebbles and clear away the rubble that has been brought down. We may not like the new road being forged but for some its a better road given how the old one was left behind cratered with holes that couldn't be filled.

jmhyp wrote: It's not that Sara is missing that bothers me. It's that the characters around her are still around. Most distressing should be Donna giving birth to a semi-GOO without Sara sometime soon.

Except that Dona isn't around. She may still exist, but it's not like she hangs out on campus. Even the characters who are around campus don't hang out with the characters who are currently being written. The world only revolves around Sara in Sara's stories. The majority of students on campus simply don't care. They have their own issues to deal with.

Not every story gets told.

It seems v.strange that Nikki hasn't missed Sara - I know that she is mourning the loss of Aung but Sara is her adopted "sister"

POV. We've seen very little of what Nikki is doing since Sara disappeared. She could easily be searching, but using methods that aren't visible to Kayda and Lanie.

How do you know she hasn't missed Sara? We've barely even seen Nikki since Sara went missing. Her only real appearance since then was in Penance Factor, and she had some pretty distracting problems of her own to worry about there.

And we go back to the POV problem. Its not that the writers 'don't' want to do something, its that its 'not' their character and its been stated that the current 'writers' are reluctant. In this case 'Sara's' on a long extended vacation and Nikki is working on her issues. As its also been stated Nikki may be doing things that we as readers don't see. I'm sure the writers will put her character into a plot and then when they can, resolve the issue.

Their only other recourse is to hope that the original writer will return and hopefully take up the mantel and resolve it.

Ugh.

The great big brouhaha that supposedly makes foreseeing event around April 08 is the one story thread that I think cannot be dropped. My disappointment extends to the fact that that story will not told by Ayla or Nikki or Chou. Someone will tell the story. We will know the outcome. But we won't have the VIP backstage guided tour.

jmhyp wrote: We will know the outcome. But we won't have the VIP backstage guided tour.

Why would you think that? Why would we spend ten years trying to get to an event just to gloss over it?

E. E. Nalley wrote:

jmhyp wrote: We will know the outcome. But we won't have the VIP backstage guided tour.

Why would you think that? Why would we spend ten years trying to get to an event just to gloss over it?

How about "not with the VIP backstage guide we were expecting"? (Aka Ayla, Fey, or Chou.) Regadless of how the big event plays out. It won't be as you might have imagined it 10 years ago. (Not a bad thing, per se. Just pointing it out.)

No, it will pretty much play out as we imagined it.

See we imagine pretty big. So back in the original Scrambler J crisis, before a single hint of what has now become known as the spring crisis of 08, the event all seers have for seen, that original plot line had to be completely reworked. Because Scrambler Jay wasn't writing. And we realized then that we made this major plot point about one or two characters then what happened with Scrambler could happen again.

So you won't ever get the original plot. When we rewrote it we rewrote it so that it affected the entire school, one could make the case it affected the entire universe. So every story that takes place in that time frame would talk about it and would move the plot forward and would have a series of fixed events that happened on those days no matter who the POV of the story was about.

This way it wouldn't matter if Maggie was writing about Fey or not; where we had a replacement for Scrambler J or not. So it was always going to be whoever was writing about those days was going to be telling the story. So stop worrying about what you think you don't have; you never really had it in the first place.

You have a whole lot more. More than you realize.

It's the Babylon 5 solution. JMS had outs for every character to replaced by a different character if someone dropped out of the cast.

E. E. Nalley wrote: No, it will pretty much play out as we imagined it.

This is a great post that wouldn't exist if I hadn't "worried". See, worrying has value.

jmhyp wrote:

E. E. Nalley wrote: No, it will pretty much play out as we imagined it.

This is a great post that wouldn't exist if I hadn't "worried". See, worrying has value.

HAH!

Point conceded.

Have we seen Sara's lust aura around prepubescents?

Or does Gary work as the example that shows that it has no effect on prepubescents?

Malady, why would you want to know that, exactly?

Actually, it could be argued that being technically prepubescent is one reason Jade is resistant to both Fey's and Carmilla's auras.

But Jade is not a good test case, because she has shown resistance to other types of auras, so it's hard to isolate one kind of resistance from another.

Would/could Sara eat other things from HP Lovecraft stories?
Lightly salted Starspawn with a Eldergod side dish with Shub-Niggurath as desert.

NJM1564 wrote: Would/could Sara eat other things from HP Lovecraft stories?
Lightly salted Starspawn with a Eldergod side dish with Shub-Niggurath as desert.

IIRC each of the GOOs and BabyGOOs have portfolios (ideologies/philosphies/goals)... I guess it would depend on if the thing she was eating was "working" for someone she wanted to be at odds with or was working with

I wanna see little baby GOO and Grandpa Gothmog.

that'd be... cute?

... or scary, depending.

what do you feed a baby... baby Goo?

Rose Bunny wrote: I wanna see little baby GOO and Grandpa Gothmog.

that'd be... cute?

... or scary, depending.

what do you feed a baby... baby Goo?

At first?
Small plants, then gerbils, Guinea pigs then move on to puppies or small dogs as they grow then maybe lightly salted humans at age 7 or so?

lol

lighttech wrote:

Rose Bunny wrote: I wanna see little baby GOO and Grandpa Gothmog.

that'd be... cute?

... or scary, depending.

what do you feed a baby... baby Goo?

At first?
Small plants, then gerbils, Guinea pigs then move on to puppies or small dogs as they grow then maybe lightly salted humans at age 7 or so?

lol

ok, so Donna certainly WON'T be breastfeeding..

This so reminds me of the piece that Dr. Bender requested:

BTW NSFW

fav.me/d5097ix

Since Whisper became canon and Sara saw her escape from a circle, how long will it be before Sara remembers what she did. Too bad Dr. Bender didn't will his character to someone else. That is another reason my fan fiction is up for adoption. Even if it never becomes canon, I can hope someone else can do what I seem to be unable to do which is write good stories.

Until they do there is always the possibility of them coming back to their characters. I think she is at this moment touring a Buffy Universe, something about a Prophesy, acquisition of the Hostess factories and personnel frogs and witches in latex fuku...

That is true, and I would prefer someone at least try to contact me before adopting Jazz. Still and all something that has been discussed on another writer's group where I'm a member is the issue that several of the members are senior citizens and apt to have fatal health problems at any moment. I've essentially said that with very few caveats my work there should become public domain. Sure I'd like to earn a living writing or proofreading, but as yet have little hope for that to come to pass.

Oddly enough Anne, I was considering an idea for Jazz. I'll message you about it.

Excerpt from Dissonance, a Sara Waite story by Branwen.

Author's Note: This excerpt is subject to change, spoilers omitted. Only one person other than myself has seen this yet. Happy Holidays.

Prologue

Waves rolled over rocks far below where Otto stood leaning against the railing of his balcony, overlooking the iron grey ocean. The steaming cup of cocoa warmed his hands and face as he sipped it gingerly. Tiny sporadic flakes of snow drifted on the breeze, stinging his face as each alighted on his drawn, unshaven, face. He breathed in the scent of the ocean spray, trying to centre himself.

The sound of a car pulling up the driveway on the other side of the house called his attention back to the dark, empty interior. Wandering back inside, he picked his way through the mess of his living room, converted months ago into a crisis room. Free-standing cork boards covered in photographs and maps, different coloured strings cross-crossing between linked pieces of information, clues and persons of interest.

Opening his front door, he saw Elizabeth Carson walking from her black sedan up the path wearing expensive black suit that accentuated her curves while remaining professional. Green hills covered in pines dusted with snow loomed around them, wind whistling through the spiky leaves. She had a tablet PC tucked under one arm. “Elizabeth,” he greeted when she finally came within earshot, “if you phoned ahead, I would have cleaned up.”

Carson paused at the threshold, her eyes creased with worry. “You look like hell, Otto,” she observed.

He gave her a long, sad, look, his composure slowly crumbling under her gaze. “Come on in,” he said, turning away from her, unable to stand in that gaze. “I’ll make you some tea.”

Elizabeth stepped gingerly inside, her low heels clicking on the slate tiles as she closed the door behind her, plunging the house into silence. Otto flicked on the lights as he passed by into the kitchen that overlooked the living room, exposing the mess of papers scattered across every horizontal surface and plastered on every wall. Walking into the middle of it all, she turned a full circle, taking it all in. “I don’t know whether to admire your tenacity,” she said, “or reprimand you for your obsession.”

Otto set his own cocoa aside before turning his kettle on to boil, retrieving a teabag and a newly washed mug. “It’s been six months, Elizabeth,” he whispered hoarsely. “Six months and we have no idea where she is. And the only lead we have is some idiot child that seems to be able to elude the best investigators on the planet whose friends are going down for murder!” His voice rose sharply as his hands shook, gripping the edge of the kitchen bench white-knuckled to prevent himself from throwing any nearby loose object. Taking several deep breaths, he managed to regain his composure. “I’m sorry,” he sighed.

“That’s all right,” she said gently, “I’m worried too.”

“Six months and we don’t know where she is,” he repeated, his volume rising with his sense of frustration. “We don’t know what condition she’s in, we don’t know if she’s all right. Anything could have happened to her! And the longer we take to find her, the more damage could be done!”

<REDACTED>

“We did everything we could.”

“Did we? I don’t know about that,” he sighed. “In fact, our lack of action seems far too convenient. Why did you even want her at Whateley in the first place? We can’t even protect the students from each other!”

“We had the Lovecraft Room, remember? My school is right on top of N’Kai! I needed someone or something to protect my students from anything that might crawl out of that hole. What was I supposed to do when a golden opportunity like a tame Great Old One dropped right into my lap? And it was working! She was culling corrupted wares and wrangling the creatures in Hawthorne’s basement like a pro! Stan and Morrie’s workload was cut in half! Nobody wants her back more than me, as problematic as she could be at times, no matter how much Englund and the rest of the staff bitched. Underneath it all, she was a good kid. She was learning, all she ever wanted was to help!”

<REDACTED>

“And that’s why you came,” Otto sighed, “to tell me that you’re watching me. Because we both know I can’t beat Lady Astarte. Not that I’d even try.” Slowly sinking, he didn’t bother to walk over to the nearby couch, he just slid down until he was sitting on the floor with his back against a cupboard, staring up at the ceiling.

“Otto, how long as it been since you slept?”

“I don’t know,” he answered, “I don’t sleep. When I do, I don’t sleep well. How can anyone sleep knowing she’s out there somewhere and we can’t find her?”

“We don’t know that,” she insisted. “We don’t know anything. What good do you do her by torturing yourself like this?”

“It seems miniscule compared to the depths of my failure,” he said, his head lolling to one side to face her. “She’s the closest thing I’ve ever had to family, Elizabeth.”

“We’ll find her. I promise you we’ll find her.”

“It’s already been too long,” he said despondently. “The damage is done. We’ve lost her.”

Elizabeth picked up her mug and took a sip before sitting down on the floor next to him. “You can’t stay here anymore,” she said. “Is there anyone you can stay with? I’m not leaving you alone like this.”

He shook his head. “No family, remember? Maybe Donna but she was my employee. Without work, without Sara, I have… Nothing.”

Sighing, she considered for a few moments. “You’re coming home with me,” she said in an authoritative tone. “We’ll sit here a while, then I’ll help you pack a bag. You can stay in my guest room.”

“Afraid I’ll do something stupid, Principal?” he asked tonelessly.

“I’m afraid I’m going to have to put you on suicide watch,” she answered tenderly. “We’re not giving up on her, we’re doing everything we can. And you need to take care of yourself so you can be there for her when she does come back.”

After a while, he looked up at where his mug of cocoa sat on the countertop, still steaming. “All right,” he agreed, defeated. “Could you hand me my drink, please?” Concerned, Carson reached up and retrieved it and handed it to him. He took a long drink before nursing it in his lap. “Do you mind if we finish our drinks first? It might take me a while before I feel like moving.”

Sympathy in her eyes, Carson rested her hand gently on Otto’s shoulder. “We can take as long as you need.”

It begins... and we are afraid.

Anne wrote: Since Whisper became canon and Sara saw her escape from a circle, how long will it be before Sara remembers what she did. Too bad Dr. Bender didn't will his character to someone else. That is another reason my fan fiction is up for adoption. Even if it never becomes canon, I can hope someone else can do what I seem to be unable to do which is write good stories.

I can't say because I don't know anything about Whisper or this situation. If someone can point me to the story this occurred in, it'd be a big help. At the moment, none of my plans take this story into account.

@Anne: Do you mean this? 'Cause it seems to be just Aung and Wallace who saw this, from Part 3 :



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Although, I guess Sara might have seen it later, or heard about it from Aung or something? *Shrugs*. ... Goodnight!

DrBender wrote:

Anne wrote: Since Whisper became canon and Sara saw her escape from a circle, how long will it be before Sara remembers what she did. Too bad Dr. Bender didn't will his character to someone else. That is another reason my fan fiction is up for adoption. Even if it never becomes canon, I can hope someone else can do what I seem to be unable to do which is write good stories.

I can't say because I don't know anything about Whisper or this situation. If someone can point me to the story this occurred in, it'd be a big help. At the moment, none of my plans take this story into account.

It happens in Chapter 22 of Whisper (Chapters 20-25) .While Sir Wallace and Fey are checking into her capacity for using magic, Brianna decides she wants to try something she remembers from GEO.

Wards are an occasional plot point for one of my OCs from time to time, so it helps to remember one of the few times a character's been shown punking a barrier.

Somehow, I had it in my mind that Sara had seen Whisper open a circle that way... My bad. Okay, so Sara believes she is trapped without recourse. Ouch! Wonder if maybe Jade might find her doing maintenance? Though I think Sara isn't close to the sewers... No can draw a map of the tunnels either because that forms an empowered magical glyph. Is that how/why Mrs Carson et al disappear just before the beginning of Gen 2? That is that someone is messing with the spell-form that the tunnels represent... Many questions! I do hope that Dr Bender can get the license number and destination of that bus that Sara is on!

Well, it's good news then. If there was some flaw in the circle Sara's trapped in which she knew about, Sara being trapped and exploited by Speakeasy would never had happened in the first place and it'd be a gigantic plot hole. But Sara can't even touch the circle she's trapped in or feel around for a similar fatal flaw because it attacks her when she tries. So whatever flaw the circle has, that's not one she could exploit anyway.

Aside from that, with the sheet folded the way it is, Sara's been packed off into, iirc, 'a grey, featureless, empty space'. A pocket dimension version of Limbo, if you will, though maybe even more boring.

Glad you have returned. And can't wait to see the next installments of Sara's tale. However my inner Jade wants to tell you. " You Poopyhead,being so mean to Sara!"

It doesn't hurt anyone more than me. As much as I've cried my eyes out plotting this story, it's the one that I need to tell.

One day, when the story's done and published, I hope I'll be able to write an essay explaining why I had to write this story and not another. But all of my reasons would be spoilers, so I'll save it until then.

You had me at a new story focused on Sara. I can't wait! Luckily I have the second Dandelion Dynasty Novel to keep me interested till you finish

Just a little something I thought up... Speakeasy's Nightmare that might explain some things....

Hmm... Maybe I'm misunderstanding something (not that I'm necessarily going to say Sara gets out using Whisper's trick...) but doesn't a summoning circle indicate some level of compulsion? That is the summoner compels the being that they are summoning to come to them inside the circle they have constructed. How much free will does the 'demon', 'angle', 'EPE' (extra Planar entity) have to resist the summons?

Personally, if Sara gets out, and there's no guarantee that she will after all, it will be via the destruction of the piece of paper.

If Sara gets out, it won't be pretty. The longer she's in there, the faster the Kellith (or something worse) returns...

Kristin Darken wrote: You cannot simultaneously agree to be bound and also be able to take advantage of an inherent flaw.

As an agreement, that seems like something that would go against the long-standing precedents in magic that 1) contracts, even with absolute beings, inherently have a loophole or flaw that allows them to be twisted or fulfilled in unintended ways, and 2) nothing made by the hand of man is perfect.

After all, a promise of my head in payment does not entitle you to any portion of my neck. Nor does a pound of flesh as guarantee entitle one to even a drop of my blood.

This tends to see more use in demonology, but for each named being that has a known method for being summoned (Intent) there is a unique combination of ritual elements required to function as a sufficiently close approximation (Similarity, but also introducing one or more Flaws) to its "True Name" (Definition) to call the identified being into a circle that (by Precedent) can detain it. If there is sufficient difference between the definition used and that needed to call and bind the intended target, (again, by Precedent) something might arrive but with more or less obligations imposed on it.

Logically, if what is bound in the circle changes sufficiently (like the long-suffering familiar or slave that finally turns on its master), it might find the bonds no longer held it so strongly. A sufficiently intelligent prisoner might continue along the path of change, depending on how extreme the required changes are and how much leeway did the caster accidentally build into to the containment. After all, no prison lasts forever.

But, as Iwasforger03 points out, what went in does not have to be what comes out.

Anne wrote: Just a little something I thought up... Speakeasy's Nightmare that might explain some things....

I honestly think that Gothmog knows exactly or nearly exactly where Sara is and like a good father...he is going to let her pick herself up and get out of this mess all by herself. Because you ask? GOO must learn the 'simple' things like this fro themselves! Dad can't pick you up off the grass for 20 millennia! every time you scrape your knee

And I know Sara's 'loves' are hurt by her being missing, but those humans are her's...her 'pets' and no other GOO should interfere in their 'keeping'

Meh, that won't keep Gothmag from using Speakeasy as a chew toy if he really has him!
Or in other words watch the micro-scene thread for more pieces of Speakeasy's nightmare!

annachie wrote: Personally, if Sara gets out, and there's no guarantee that she will after all, it will be via the destruction of the piece of paper.

Hmm... I forget... How durable is that paper? Maybe it's be destroyed it by accident? It's just a piece of paper.

Although, its location is pretty far from any non-wall-breaching accidents?

Lol if there's a Paper Master on campus and they find it accidentally.

Malady wrote:

annachie wrote: Personally, if Sara gets out, and there's no guarantee that she will after all, it will be via the destruction of the piece of paper.

Hmm... I forget... How durable is that paper? Maybe it's be destroyed it by accident? It's just a piece of paper.

Although, its location is pretty far from any non-wall-breaching accidents?

Lol if there's a Paper Master on campus and they find it accidentally.

It's not paper it is Tyvek . So it is a lot more durable that just paper.

Wait... Could she escape due to something to do with the Blood Oath? We haven't seen anything related to that beyond the initial story? Or at least the Wiki only has 3 links to the story...

While it is true that the substance that the circle was drawn on is Tyvec, for most purposes, except durability, it can be considered the equivalent of paper. It folds (wonders if the folding might accidentally offer Sara an out?) and is essentially single dimensional in a lot of aspects. So if Gothy (if that is who has Speakeasy [if he isn't simply insane and experiencing this as a part of his insanity...]) has seen it and Speakeasy doesn't identify the sheet as plastic, then he may think of it as paper. To the uninitiated it would look and act enough like paper to make very little difference.

Anne wrote: While it is true that the substance that the circle was drawn on is Tyvec, for most purposes, except durability, it can be considered the equivalent of paper.

Also, except for its ability to absorb or repel various inks. It's made from polyethylene, not cellulose.

Knowing the properties (not all by any means) of plastic sheets, one has to wonder if the people who captured Sarah were careful enough to avoid having that paint smear, crack, or otherwise fail. when the sheet was folded. Literally all sorts of mischief might occur due to that particular oversight. Sure they thought that the paint would survive being folded, and that the folds wouldn't introduce necessary flaws in the original design. But...?!?

That is, if it was actually paint used int he design, and not laser printed into the fabric of the material itself. We are talking mythos magic here, so usual laws may not apply.

Though if a fold would have broken it, surely, Sara wouldn't have been in the bind she's been in, after all. Or worse, that the seal was broken, and she'd be permanently sealed within the rift.

I suspect that hand drawing the circle is literally part of the 'spell' that summons whatever... Paint? Ink? Something that is somewhere in between? What is the difference? Not so much as most people think... I've used paint pens, and ink pens and sometimes other than slight variation in the design there is very little other than labeling to tell you which is which!

Darren just grinned. "You'll see." He winced when he cut his finger, but then began to trace a figure in his own blood on the paper, pausing frequently to refer to the yellowish instructions they'd found as he traced a geometric figure inside an unbroken circle of blood. When it was complete he sat back. "Okay, now we have to write her name inside the figure."

I'm guessing that the magic makes it permanent without outside interference, or a flaw before hand.

^ - Informative!

... I wonder what happens if you try to summon something that's already summoned... Auto-fail, or possibly its a hole for anything to step through?

So, I need a little help.

I was looking over Sara's TV Tropes entry and under the Vagina Dentata entry, it mentions something about Sara castrating someone and keeping the member as a trophy. Problem is, I don't actually remember that. If anyone can please inform me where this is referenced, please let me know.

The only place I can think this would have happened is with Jobe but I don't want to assume.

On a note for how Sara possibly gets out of the circle, without spoilers, please don't raise your expectations too high on the method of her escape.

Check the second book of Jobe. When Sara converted Jobe entirely to a Drow, she kept his equipment as a trophy. I'm not sure what chapter it is in, but I thought I posted a list of links to all the chapters recently.
Oh also, unless you don't want me to, I'm using Speakeasy as a chew toy!

DrBender wrote: On a note for how Sara possibly gets out of the circle, without spoilers, please don't raise your expectations too high on the method of her escape.

My guess?

Frantic due to apparent lack of concern from security and the administration, Hippy starts searching every square foot of campus room by room. But since she's too tall, she asks her smoking friend Alyss if she would be able to check the small spaces with her. Hippolyta is throwing things around in frustration after finding nothing in a room when Alyss sees a scrap of paper stuck on something...

Sometimes the simple things are best.


Alternatively, she asks Fey and Chaka, and we see Kohones being stuffed inside of drawers and cabinets when Nikki isn't looking.

So. She's getting out then.



No mysterious worshiper of Anoia finding the parchment during a religious observation?

I'm certain that there will be at least a pair of Anoia worshipers involved, whether or not it is a worship ritual aimed at their god or not...? Who knows with worshipers of Anoia?

Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnd... Found it.

The Second book of Jobe, (Part 2) , right at the end of it in the interlude.

annachie wrote: So. She's getting out then.

Pardon, I figured that part wasn't a spoiler. Even I'm not cruel enough to write an entire story about Sara being trapped in a grey, featureless, void.

Thank you for letting me know. I seriously can't remember that part, but then Babs wrote it. I did approve the story, though. Even so, I think we went a bridge too far there, even if I do hate Jobe (like, not hate that he exists, to be clear, hate because he's an asshole). Ah, well.

A bridge too far? This is Whateley not Arnhem.

Was it somewhat sadistic and potentially cruel? Yes, but one deals with demons at their own peril. Besides, it does seem to fit the mold that Sara is at least partially cast from. It was a highly efficient way of furthering her own goals on multiple fronts. So long as she doesn't become a serial bobbitter I don't think there is any need to be concerned about going too far. Besides, it was well written, that, much like good special effects in a movie makes up for much of any involuntary cringing the scene may cause.

DrBender wrote:

annachie wrote: So. She's getting out then.

Pardon, I figured that part wasn't a spoiler. Even I'm not cruel enough to write an entire story about Sara being trapped in a grey, featureless, void.

Given some of your previous statements concerning writer burnout and things, Sara actually getting out wasn't guaranteed. After all, the story could be about those who were in her life.

Hell, it doesn't even mean that there will be a future story as this upcoming story could always be a way for you to put her on your own bus.

Of course I hope not.

At the end of the day, all that matters is that you are writing, and that you are enjoying writing.

So what exactly has Jet been doing this whole time, because well other than recharging she doesn't really have anything to do but look for Sara. Which would kind of be her job.

Is Jet regarded as an independent existence from Jade and Shroud, by the Administration? Doesn't that mean she gets her own classes, and MID?

I've been wondering that too, especially after seeing her in the second book of Jobe. For some reason I wonder if some of the people with her (Sara's) mark cannot tell where she is by their mark...?

Malady wrote: Is Jet regarded as an independent existence from Jade and Shroud, by the Administration? Doesn't that mean she gets her own classes, and MID?

You know, there are so many instances of Jade around that she practically needs her own school!

Malady wrote: Is Jet regarded as an independent existence from Jade and Shroud, by the Administration? Doesn't that mean she gets her own classes, and MID?

I don't think she was, she just hung around with Sara.

Having Sara away from the action at least until after Zulu is not necessarily a bad thing. She is an insanely powerful character and with her (and Tennyo) around maintaining any kind of threat rating for the enemies we know are coming by that date is going to be hard.

She took an anti-material round through the torso that liquified most of her and while she definitely felt that and needed some time to recover some of the scattered fragments, she could still defend herself against Nightbane. That Orichalcum blade that is set up has her kryptonite is not going to be used by any mythos mage or entity in a hurry either so as a threat against her it is lacking.

Of course Fey had to lose Aung and with her the knowledge how to banish GOOs and Elder Gods, and Tennyo apparently consumes demons, and GOOs and Elder Gods if she gives the Destroyer free reign, and we already have canon evidence that nothing humanity can do at this stage can do more than slow her down, and that only if she is trying to stay as close to human as possible.
I am not envying the cabal team for the task to come up with scenarios where those three are in acute danger of losing and where the last second appearance of the Handmaid is going to turn the tide.

Erianaiel wrote: That Orichalcum blade that is set up has her kryptonite is not going to be used by any mythos mage or entity in a hurry either so as a threat against her it is lacking.

One need not hold the blade in hand, only the one that wields the blade.

null0trooper wrote:

Erianaiel wrote: That Orichalcum blade that is set up has her kryptonite is not going to be used by any mythos mage or entity in a hurry either so as a threat against her it is lacking.

One need not hold the blade in hand, only the one that wields the blade.

The old "Nothing can move The Blob" caveat. If you couldn't move him off the surface he's standing on, you break it in order to move him