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5 years 4 months ago #1401 by null0trooper

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Is there an easier way to correct the 263 "Gen 2" category tags to "Gen2", like the existing 137 "Gen2", 1,392 "Gen1", and 11 "Gen0" pages, than to manually edit them?

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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #1402 by Malady

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You don't got the time, wanna cut down on History clutter, or what?

Everything leaves a History trail, so that's out.

263? I could do that today...

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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #1403 by Sir Lee

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null0trooper wrote: Is there an easier way to correct the 263 "Gen 2" category tags to "Gen2", like the existing 137 "Gen2", 1,392 "Gen1", and 11 "Gen0" pages, than to manually edit them?

Yes, it can be done by a bot. I have a registered instance of AutoWikiBrowser (Wikia/Fandom requires bots be registered as their own users with special permissions, so they are not mistaken for vandals or spammers) and can do such stuff if necessary. I'll look into it.

EDIT: And... done! Did some cleaning up of redirects too (most redirects shouldn't belong to *any* category), also created the "Gen0" page as a subcategory of "Meta". No more category "Gen 2", and category "Gen2" now has 393 items.

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5 years 4 months ago #1404 by Sir Lee

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Regarding bots: they are very useful for this sort of repetitive tasks, but they are a bit of a pain to set up initially and learn to use.

First pain is to get a bot account. Regular wiki admins such as me, E.E. and Anvildude are not able to add an account to the bot group; only Fandom admins can do so. You are supposed to set up a separate account for the bot and make a request to the Fandom admins. It has been a few years, so I no longer remember the details -- for instance, I don't remember if the one requesting has to have admin privileges in the first place, or who is the person to be contacted.

Then, you download AutoWikiBrowser (or a similar tool; I understand there are a couple others, including a web-based one, but for the most part people use AWB) and set it up in your machine. That part is pretty easy.

Then, the next pain is to figure out the settings so AWB can log in correctly to the Whateley wiki. That includes setting up a custom wiki (AWB comes pre-configured for Wikipedia and associated sites, other wikis have to be set up manually) and setting up the login.

Finally, the hardest part of it... learning to use AWB. Which is a very powerful tool, so powerful that it can f*ck up the entire wiki if you make a mistake and let it run unattended -- and the documentation is not really geared for the beginner. Since our wiki is not that large as things go, I almost always use it interactively -- It loads the page, highlights the change it's going to make, gives me an opportunity to hand-tweak it a bit if it makes sense, and then I can click "Save" or "Skip". I prefer playing it safe.

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5 years 4 months ago #1405 by null0trooper

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Sir Lee wrote: Finally, the hardest part of it... learning to use AWB. Which is a very powerful tool, so powerful that it can f*ck up the entire wiki if you make a mistake and let it run unattended

That sounds a lot like perl, on any system that can run perl.

Sir Lee wrote: Did some cleaning up of redirects too (most redirects shouldn't belong to *any* category)

Yes. At some point I want to look into undoing some of the redirects to subpages. The redirect for Leanne belonged to a couple of categories, but redirecting to an anchor on Lancer's page also took her out of any listing of Entities.

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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #1406 by Malady

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Was looking at the Meta category, which has crystalhall.fandom.com/wiki/Whateley_Academy_Generation_2

Which is also in the Gen2 category, a Sub-category of Meta.

Should we leave it that way, or store it in the deepest applicable sub-category, Gen2, only?

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So, to split out Leanne... What do we need beyond what's on Lancer?

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5 years 4 months ago #1407 by null0trooper

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Malady wrote: So, to split out Leanne... What do we need beyond what's on Lancer?

Probably reformatting, known appearances, check to see what's been added in her last few appearances. Not much.

Not like Shipwright, whose name and codename have yet to appear in the same story. If it weren't for WOG equating her with Lexi (from "A Tenuous Blade"), I wouldn't have been able to write much more than "Shipwright's a tech-track student."

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5 years 4 months ago #1408 by Sir Lee

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null0trooper wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: Did some cleaning up of redirects too (most redirects shouldn't belong to *any* category)

Yes. At some point I want to look into undoing some of the redirects to subpages. The redirect for Leanne belonged to a couple of categories, but redirecting to an anchor on Lancer's page also took her out of any listing of Entities.

Yes, that's one situation where adding the redirect page into categories *is* justified.
Long term, Leanne is a character and should eventually have her own page, but right now she hasn't, just a redirect into Lancer's. If we don't put categories on the redirect, it means that she is not listed in the "magical beings" or whatever the appropriate categories would be, and it makes it easier to forget about her existing at all.
Same for family pages. Consider Erica's relatives -- they don't have their pages yet, but still, most of them should be listed as "heroes." So their redirects to the "Abendritter family" page can belong to categories so they are properly listed.
If eventually we decide to expand the redirect into a full page... the categories are already there.

OTOH, I don't think aliases should get categories in most cases, because it adds unnecessarily to the listings. I mean, between her civilian name (which she changed once or twice, by the way) and her various heroic identities, Liz Carson would be listed what, eight times in the "Heroes" category? I don't think so.

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5 years 4 months ago #1409 by Malady

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Where do we put general info like how Folder's family has "several PDP’s in it"?

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Folder's bio, I guess. Or you might add a page to "Stiles family".

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5 years 4 months ago #1411 by null0trooper

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It looks like "Business As Usual" runs Monday, Aug. 29, to Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2016. Yes, no, maybe?

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5 years 3 months ago #1412 by Malady

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Dunno about all that...

But, "DOD" should probably be moved to "Department of Defense", given the Real Life header, and etc?

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5 years 3 months ago #1413 by Sir Lee

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Yes. And it was.

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5 years 2 months ago #1414 by Malady

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Wonder if we should split "President of the United States" and "Vice President of the United States" into the individual people...

But they don't appear much... Make the people into Redirects to their jobs?

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5 years 2 months ago #1415 by null0trooper

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Maybe treat it similarly to a state or other government agency, provide a short blurb linking to Wikipedia for each post and mention what's defined as different for the WU? If we were maintaining a wiki on the US political system, there'd be no way we could redirect George W. Bush to both POTUS and GOTGSOT at the same time.

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5 years 2 months ago #1416 by Malady

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null0trooper wrote: Maybe treat it similarly to a state or other government agency, provide a short blurb linking to Wikipedia for each post and mention what's defined as different for the WU? If we were maintaining a wiki on the US political system, there'd be no way we could redirect George W. Bush to both POTUS and GOTGSOT at the same time.

How's that different from how it currently is?

I guess we can section off each person more clearly...

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Category:Florida...

How do we deal with the redlinks for locations like "Alabama" and "Georgia"? Since those are Categories too... Do we just redirect to the categories?

I forget if we ever kept any inter-category linking, instead of eventually making it go to an actual Main page...

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People should be stored at the deepest categories of a type, right? So "Reilley", should only be in Topeka, instead of Topeka and Kansas, as that's the deepest Location category?

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General rule of thumb is: is there anything interesting to say about the WU version of <whatever>, as opposed to the <whatever>'s entry on the Wikipedia? If not, it shouldn't have its own entry. It still can have a category, though. Or a redirect to the Wikipedia.

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5 years 2 months ago #1418 by null0trooper

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Malady wrote:
Category:Florida...

How do we deal with the redlinks for locations like "Alabama" and "Georgia"? Since those are Categories too... Do we just redirect to the categories?

Since text can be added to Category pages (See Ohio or Florida ) it's likely to be a good idea to take care of that as we go along. Not too many North Dakota or Maine supers so far.

Malady wrote: People should be stored at the deepest categories of a type, right? So "Reilley", should only be in Topeka, instead of Topeka and Kansas, as that's the deepest Location category?

How many readers in Germany can name all the major cities in Kansas? It's probably better to give the users searching for information a chance of success whether they remember the city or the state.

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5 years 2 months ago - 5 years 2 months ago #1419 by Malady

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Category:Teleporter is being used, but doesn't exist.

Move all of them to Warper, or is it a category we wanna keep?

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5 years 2 months ago #1420 by null0trooper

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Malady wrote: Category:Teleporter is being used, but doesn't exist.

It has 4 members, which is why I mentioned it in Powers.

Malady wrote: Move all of them to Warper, or is it a category we wanna keep?

It would be useful for "who can manage this?" questions, as a subcategory of Warper.

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5 years 2 months ago #1421 by Sir Lee

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I'm not sure if it's THAT useful a subcategory. If you are thinking in terms of "well, I need a teleport for this story, who can I use?"... then it would be too restrictive; we have a bunch of devisors who have teleporting devises, such as Visio. We have also seen mages like Fey do teleport-like effects. And then there are warpers like Cheese, who can warp his hand some distance from his body... does it count as a teleport? What about Regina Lambert, who can split in two and choose in which of the two locations to reintegrate -- and carry stuff with her? What is her power anyway (the Wiki lists it as manifestor, but I don't think it's a good fit)?

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I think that when "ways to cause effect X" comes up, there is always a spell or an invention for that. Fey can cast a spell that works like a teleport, but the telportation itself is not her power; magic is.

Cheese seems to be colocating two otherwise separate areas and poking his hand through. If it closed off and left his hand behind in the other location, I'd consider that a teleport.

Regina Lambert: does she choose the body that she relocates to, or is that from a micro-scene? There does seem to be a manifesting effect because there's a new object brought into existence, but it probably isn't that simple. If it weren't for the "no time travel" rule, I'd wonder if she isn't pulling an instance of herself out of her personal timeline. ( She's also my top candidate for Lady Jettatura's agent, but that's just my fan theory. )

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5 years 2 months ago - 5 years 2 months ago #1423 by Sir Lee

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Regina used this trick of her power back in "Angel in Dickinson" to teleport a McGuffin from one place to another -- although it's not really clear if she can always choose which way she will be reintegrated or if she just lucked out in a 50/50 chance.
But the point is: since she can take stuff with her, it's a kinda-sorta teleport effect, instead of her just dismissing a "copy" and reintegrating her memories, Jade-like.

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5 years 2 months ago #1424 by null0trooper

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Sir Lee wrote: Regina used this trick of her power back in "Angel in Dickinson" to teleport a McGuffin from one place to another -- although it's not really clear if she can always choose which way she will be reintegrated or if she just lucked out in a 50/50 chance.

It would probably be good to know how that works in case she ever shows back up, or someone wants to develop a character along similar lines.

Sir Lee wrote: But the point is: since she can take stuff with her, it's a kinda-sorta teleport effect, instead of her just dismissing a "copy" and reintegrating her memories, Jade-like.

I can still see it as a useful category once it's populated. Do you see it working as a subcategory of "Powers"?

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5 years 2 months ago #1425 by Malady

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"Shortcut" isn't a Teleporter, right? Since he doesn't move things directly. He makes portals that things are moved into...?

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Malady wrote: "Shortcut" isn't a Teleporter, right? Since he doesn't move things directly. He makes portals that things are moved into...?

So do Nightcrawler (Marvel), Nightshade (DC/Charlton), and Gateway. He does carry packages or take people with him.

Unless we want to split hairs among transporters ('across' + 'carry'), teleporters ('at a distance' + 'carry'), apporters (from Latin apportō: “to bring, to carry”, including summoning and conjuring), and deporters ( carry off, banish, exile) it might be best to use the term most readers would know, or to lump them together as "porters".

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5 years 2 months ago #1427 by Sir Lee

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Teleport is an effect: instantaneous (possibly FTL in some cases?) transportation from one place to another without (apparently?) passing through the intervening places. The exact mechanic varies.

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5 years 2 months ago - 5 years 2 months ago #1428 by Malady

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Move "Minerva" to "Minerva (AI)", please?

Maybe turn Minerva into a disambig, I dunno.

'Cause we've got "Claire Elizabeth Westbrook", a.k.a "Minerva".

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Malady wrote: Move "Minerva" to "Minerva (AI)", please?

Maybe turn Minerva into a disambig, I dunno.

'Cause we've got "Claire Elizabeth Westbrook", a.k.a "Minerva".

Done. "Minerva" just need the usual stuff.

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5 years 2 months ago #1430 by Malady

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Any reason not to use this version of "Heyoka 3: Survival Class" for the Wiki page's link, instead of that dead link?

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4 years 11 months ago #1431 by Malady

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Delete Krew_of_Kthon please, since that was a misspelling? I already renamed it.

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Done.

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4 years 11 months ago - 4 years 11 months ago #1433 by Malady

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Thanks!

Hmm... How about removing the teams that have sub-categories from the general "Category:Superhero_Teams", leaving only the sub-category, in that case?

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I could do it, it's only about ~30 pages, but not sure if it's easier for the bot to do it...

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That's a tough one, I can see the arguments for both positions.

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4 years 10 months ago - 4 years 10 months ago #1435 by Malady

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How about moving "Dr._Bender" to "Branwen"?

And "Category:Dr._Bender" as well?

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Oh, and Drunkfu > Shia.

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Basically, changing an author's name is possible (we have done so in the past, notably for Heather) but I hesitate to do so other as following a request by the author. I don't presume to second-guess their preferences regarding this.

In Bender/Branwen's case, I'm not even sure what her preferences are in the subject. While she is going by Branwen now, "Dr. Bender" is fairly gender-agnostic and it's unclear if she wants to abandon that pen-name entirely.

In Drunkfu/Shia's case, well, the name change appears to have happened after their departure from Whateley. I don't know their motives for the change. It is within the realm of possibility that they want to establish a new pen name dissociated from their older works, and if so, a wholesale change would go contrary to their desires.

Anyway, the role of the wiki is to be a secondary resource, following the practice of the main site. AFAIK, their older works in this site are still listed as "Dr. Bender" and "Drunkfu." Adopting a different naming scheme on the wiki, even if more "updated", might not be helpful.

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*nods*

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Should we categorize authors by nation? Like we do with Wasamon (Japan) and MageOhki (America)? Or should we leave the nation categories for In-Universe things?

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Malady wrote: Should we categorize authors by nation? Like we do with Wasamon (Japan) and MageOhki (America)? Or should we leave the nation categories for In-Universe things?

I think both were born in the US, though MageOhki has spent considerable time in Japan. Is the goal to note that their writing may culturally fall under "own voices" or to tag their preferred settings?

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Hey guys. Something new just happened on the Fandom/Wikia front.

Briefly, come April 1st (no, it's not an April Fool's joke), there will be a system for contributors to appeal to Fandom about bad wiki admins placing contritors under arbitrary blocks. In order for admins to be able to justify their actions, wikis have to post clear rules for user behavior.
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How clear is the implication that the high-level old lady precog that took down Mimeo was Mrs. Potter?

I was gonna add my speculation, but I'm not sure if I'm biased.

He's been defeated, ''twice''. Once by what became the [[Empire City Guard]], in the action which led to their merging into a team, when he was ''thirteen'', mainly due to some high-level [[Precog]] old lady in a wheelchair. Implied to be [[Mrs. Potter]], due to being the only known high-level old lady precog of the series.<ref name="mimeo">''[[Mimeographic]]''</ref>; got sent to Whateley. Once by the [[Justice Brigade]] ; got sent to [[Roxbury C]] .<ref name="ayla8-13"/><ref name="DianeNote">Diane, WoG in the forums (thread lost in forum crash)</ref>

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She was some kind of high-end precognitive, even if he hadn’t known what to call it back then. He suddenly saw. He saw way too much. He saw a thousand future paths, all leading from where he was right that second. Every path - every join and twist and turn - crashed through his brain like a sledgehammer. He couldn’t stop seeing. He saw everything from him dead on that street, to him talking to the famous European supervillain Baron Z, to him smashing up half of New York City in an all-out war against superheroes and supervillains and the U.S. Army, and everything in between. He couldn’t take it all in. It just hurt too much! Every image exploded in his head like a hand grenade. Every image blasted him with sight and sound and sometimes smell and maybe even taste, until his senses were utterly overwhelmed. He collapsed to the ground, deaf and blind, in utter agony, and begging someone to make it stop. They’d cuffed him and tied him up with chains off a battleship or something. The chain was too big for even him to break.

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Good question. I'd assumed that it was Mrs. Potter, but Mimeo's arrest was 40 years before the events of Gen 1. Maybe her mother?

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Also: she was an "old lady in a wheelchair" BACK THEN, but by 2006 she's a fairly spry old lady. That's amazing. Let's say that she was a wheelchair-bound old lady of, oh, 60? back then. She went on to being a spry centenarian. Man, who is her doctor? I want a consultation. For my whole family.

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One of the things about Exemplar 1 and 2.... their normal physical and mental capabilities are still within normal human capabilities and they haven't reached the point where Exemplar regeneration is an effective ability...

BUT

They are still exemplar with a BIT and all the recovery aspects that come from the body's natural healing moving them constantly in the direction of that BIT. An injury that puts an Ex-1 in a wheelchair may not be the permanent injury that a baseline might deal with. It's not going to heal FAST by any means... but unless the BIT changes/adapts to include a wheelchair, they're eventually going to recover. And while an Ex-1 isn't going to live significantly longer than a baseline... especially compared to a Regen 4+... but they're not likely to die of old age. Or EVER look their full age.

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So... Any objections to the Mrs. Potter Hypothesis?

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If that is Mrs. Potter... Well, she was a Whateley Teacher, that increases the chance she was a mutant... Is her daughter also a mutant?? Hmm.

Came to ask about objections to a "Probability Warper" category, and possibly splitting the Warper category along the specialization lines. Size, Mass, Etc.

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It may increase the chances a bit, but being a mutant it is by no means a requirement in order to teach at Whateley. We have seen various non-mutant teachers over the years. If Mrs. Potter's precog is hereditary in any way, it might have a different origin. Maybe it's a mystical gift that' transmitted upon the current holder's death, instead of a genetic trait. Who knows, she might be descended from the original Cassandra of Troy (sources are inconsistent, but she might have had children and one might have survived), who got her amazing gift of prophecy from Apollo but then was with nobody believing her. Perhaps her gift was inherited but the curse wasn't.

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If we want to make a page for Michael Waite's mother, who is apparently also called Sara Waite, how do we differentiate her from Carmilla?

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Just realized she's mentioned somewhat and we don't have a page on her:

Had [[Gothmog]]'s only child, Michael Waite, the writer who would become [[Carmilla]]. Also has Deep One ancestry. Was killed in her late forties by her son, after her Deep One traits manifested.

==History==
The granddaughter of [[Ephraim Waite]] and a descendant of the Deep Ones. Unbeknown to Michael, Ephraim was a dark wizard in the Miskatonic area who lived immortally by switching bodies with his descendants, until he was defeated by Michael's grandfather and H.P. Lovecraft. The family moved to Australia, and generations later, Sara Waite got involved with a cult that summoned a demon (later determined to be Gothmog) who impregnated her.

She had parties in her basement, as her daughter says:

: I used to clean up after my Mom’s basement parties, you should have seen the mess they made, makes this place look tame by comparison. I mean, heck, I didn’t have to chase one puddle of slime here, usually they try to crawl up your leg and take a chunk out of you.”<ref name="IP1">''[[Insanity Prerequisite#Part 1 – Status Quo|Insanity Prerequisite: Part 1 – Status Quo]]''</ref>

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3 years 11 months ago #1449 by null0trooper

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Malady wrote: If we want to make a page for Michael Waite's mother, who is apparently also called Sara Waite, how do we differentiate her from Carmilla?

Isn't the Necromancer Carmilla's uncle on her mother's side?

If it were a genealogy, I'd list her by her maiden name, Sara Darrow, but Sara Darrow Waite could also work.

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3 years 11 months ago #1450 by Malady

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null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: If we want to make a page for Michael Waite's mother, who is apparently also called Sara Waite, how do we differentiate her from Carmilla?

Isn't the Necromancer Carmilla's uncle on her mother's side?

If it were a genealogy, I'd list her by her maiden name, Sara Darrow, but Sara Darrow Waite could also work.

I think Waite is her maiden name, I don't think she ever got married to have a name change, right?

Yeah, The Necromancer is her Carmilla's uncle, as said in Boston Brawl I , but then I'm not sure how they have different surnames, unless it's actually great-uncle or something, but simplified.

I suppose the Family page would Waite-Darrow or something.

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Any special procedure to import Wikipedia pics to our wiki? Or do we just download to our machines and upload like normal?

Asking since the FBI people in Raptor 1 are clearly X-Files refs:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mulder2016.png
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scully2016.png
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I think it's download/upload as usual, but it could be that I missed a feature.

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I think it's the same as any picture we don't have direct license from the copyright holder, perhaps a bit easier because we can check the Wikipedia and see why they think it's fair use. It has been a while, but I do believe that there's an option in the "licensing" dialog for "I got this from the Wikipedia" which pretty much streamlines the process.

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3 years 11 months ago #1454 by Malady

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^ - Yeah, there is, as seen in the FBI Seal:

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I got Black Mask mixed with the Bar and the Supervillains...

crystalhall.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Mask

Split the Bar out as Black Mask (Bar)? Or (Business)? Or what?

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Malady wrote: Split the Bar out as Black Mask (Bar)? Or (Business)? Or what?

Black Mask (Bar) would work.

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In a note of what can be done with Templates, basically we could have pages that look like what we have right now, but made by just filling in the right spaces. Hmm.

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Passing on official request to delete the old version of the following due to being outdated.

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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #1459 by Sir Lee

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Just the old version? OK. Done.

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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #1460 by Sir Lee

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Fandom has a new opt-in "FandomDesktop" appearance. I tried it and it is... awfully plain, meaning that it totally ignores the customizations previously done to the wiki. Also, it's technically a beta, so I don't recommend it to anybody yet. I'll stay with it so I'm reminded to tweak it something more interesting (adding logos, wallpaper, tweaking colors and such), so hopefully by the time it comes out of beta it won't be dull as heck. I think it's necessary work, because if past history is any indicator, at some point it will become compulsory. Hopefully not very soon.

It will take some time, in part because there are two variations to it -- Dark and Light -- and I'll have to test both.

Edit: had a quick look and it might be more involved than merely porting the old theme. The new theme has a number of differences...
- Favicons now can be multi-resolution .ico files going up to 256x256; (currently I put the old lo-res Crystal Hall favicon as a placeholder, but we might want a better one)
- "Wiki logo" of 500x500 maximum (currently I put the Whateley crest as a placeholder)
- Background image has ONE of three modes;
* "Cover" (recommented 2880x656) stays at the top of the screen;
* There are also "tile" and "fit" modes but they don't seem to be working correctly as of yet. Something to try again in a few days...
PNG transparency effects work
I enlarged and did a different crop of the geodesic dome we used in the old theme and put it as "cover" background pic, but I'm not happy with it. If someone can point me to either a LARGE, good-looking geodesic wireframe, or to a vector (preferrably svg) one, I would thank you. One with transparent glass effects would be even better, but I don't think we are likely to find a suitable one for free.

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3 years 10 months ago #1461 by Sir Lee

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Addendum: I explored the theme editor a bit more, and figured out a few things. I don't think many people can access those settings (I think only admins) but there might be users here who are admins on other Fandom wikis, so this could be useful for them, so I'm posting them further below.

The TL;DR is that I'm going to need a better, MUCH BIGGER geodesic dome image than the one we used for the previous theme. The one we used was 1000px in diameter, but I'm looking for something over 4000px in diameter. Why that big? Well, that's because I'm only using a *slice* of the top of the image, and might want to discard the "blank" areas on the left and right -- with the final cropped image being 2880px wide. If 4000px turns out to be too big, shrinking images usually works far better than enlarging them. It could be a wireframe-type image (as long as the "wires" aren't TOO thin, to keep them from disappearing when shrunk), or a more fully rendered one with glass effects. Or it could be a vector illustration too (I prefer .svg since I use Inkscape, but I can probably import .eps, .ai and .cdr, maybe even other vector formats, if needed). I'm actually probably ending up with two different images, one for "light" and one for "dark" mode, but I think I can do some image trickery in Gimp to create the two variations from a single source image.

Second thing is a new, better favicon. Nothing actually wrong with the old one, but now that Fandom allows for multi-resolution favicons, no reason not to use the option. I do have a .ico version of the Whateley crest that I *could* use, but the consensus the last time we discussed it was that the wiki favicon should be of the Crystal Hall and leave the crest favicon for the main site if Kristen ever wants to change it from the default. So, any budding artists out there who want to take a stab at it?

Third time is more of a discussion -- should we keep using the Whateley crest as the wiki logo or should we have a different one? Wiki logos are limited to 500x500 pixels, by the way.

How the settings for the new Desktop theme for Fandom work

Text color is not ajustable at all -- it is set by the engine to black or white depending on the background color for that section. The only exception to that is link colors within articles; more on that below.

Text styles are also mostly non-configurable, the only exception being internal article headings -- see below.

Theme settings is organized in three sections: "Community Identity," "Header & Background" and "Article Styles"

"Community Identity" is the only section that does NOT allow separate settings for "light" and "dark" modes, and comprises three parts:
- the name of the wiki ("Whateley Academy Wiki")
- the "comunity logo", limited to a 500x500px graphic (currently the Whateley crest shield on a transparent background)
- A favicon (can be multi-resolution from 16x16px up to 256x256px -- currently the old 16x16 red-and-blue Crystal Hall favicon)

All the settings below (inclusing the background image) can be set separately for "light" and "dark" modes.

"Header & Background" deals with the parts of the site that are *not* in the article frame, and comprises four settings:
- "Background image" (recommended 2880x656px -- yes, that's rather wide, but I suppose they want to support 4K screens. It will be resized rather than cropped on smaller screens). This will show *only* on the top part of the background, and will fade out downwards about where the article frame begins. PNG transparency effects work, so it's possible to do some blending effects. I'm currently using a crop of a geodesic dome wireframe (same I used in the old theme), but the image I have is only of a 1000px diameter sphere, and it doesn't look quite good when enlarged. I'm looking for a larger image or a vector (preferably SVG since I use Inkscape, but I can probably import EPS, AI and CDR if I have to)
- "Backgroudn image style" -- how do you want to use the above image. Say you prefer a tiled pattern, or a small image on the corner, instead of a huge single image -- this is where you set it. Defaul choice is "Cover" which is appropriate for the 2880x656 image. Given that we can't really do an overall tiled pattern, I'm inclined to going for the "Cover" option.
- "Community background color", that is, the overall backdrop to the entire site. The background image (see above) is applied to the top part of this field, by the way.
- "Sticky Nav" background color. that's a navigation toolbar that shows up at the top of the screen if you scroll down enough to hide the standard navigation links at the top of the page.

"Article Styles" deal (mostly) with styling within the article frame.
- "Headings font" offers half a dozen choices, but they ONLY affect the styling of internal article headings, which means that going with something other than the default can result in a somewhat odd contrast with other parts of the wiki.
- "Accent color" appears to affect mostly the bottom user toolbar, which is not actually part of the article, so it seems a bit of an odd choice to put this setting here instead of in the "Header & Background" section. Maybe it affects other stuff that aren't showing up in the test page? Possibly.
- "Link color" is what it says on the tin - color for the clickable links and such.
- "Article background color" is also pretty self-explanatory.

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Found a geodesic dome pic I deemed suitable for the wiki bg after the necessary cropping, so I did a first iteration of the new wiki theme. Anybody interested can look at it and offer feedback. Be sure to check both light and dark variations (currently there's no easy toggle button, you have to dig into your settings and change themes)

So... favicons next? Any suggestion?

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3 years 10 months ago #1463 by Valentine

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Shouldn't Mischief be included in the Kade Family Tree as the adopted daughter of Imp?

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Valentine wrote: Shouldn't Mischief be included in the Kade Family Tree as the adopted daughter of Imp?

A case could be made either way: by Gen 2, it appears to be a done deal.
However, it hasn't happened yet in Gen 1, and many fans read only Gen 1.

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3 years 10 months ago #1465 by Rose Bunny

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Additionally, Mischief would be the step-daughter of Imp in Gen 2. There is nothing proving or disproving any sort of formal adoption.

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If we want to be precise, I'm not even sure that Imp and Chickenhawk got married in the formal, legal sense. I'm pretty sure that Karma is Chickenhawk's daughter, and therefore Mischief's (half-)sister, but I don't remember reading anything that put it clearly in black-and-light-yellow (I don't like stark white for reading background). I also am not sure that Chickenhawk is even *alive* in Gen2. But then again, I have been somewhat lax with my Whateley reading, so I could have missed it.

P.S.: No feedback on the new wiki theme? *At all*?

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3 years 10 months ago #1467 by Kettlekorn

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Wiki theme looks fine to me. The blue in the light version irritates me a little, but that's purely an inertia thing since I'm used to the old background. There's nothing actually wrong with it, and I'll adapt.

I'll take a stab at drawing a higher resolution favicon.

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Sir Lee wrote: I also am not sure that Chickenhawk is even *alive* in Gen2. But then again, I have been somewhat lax with my Whateley reading, so I could have missed it.

From "The Trouble with Karma":

After they’d left the room, Amelia heard the Imp from the hallway, asking, “Now, what did I tell you about getting caught…? You know this means I have to tell your father now, right?”

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Sir Lee wrote: If we want to be precise, I'm not even sure that Imp and Chickenhawk got married in the formal, legal sense. I'm pretty sure that Karma is Chickenhawk's daughter, and therefore Mischief's (half-)sister, but I don't remember reading anything that put it clearly in black-and-light-yellow (I don't like stark white for reading background). I also am not sure that Chickenhawk is even *alive* in Gen2. But then again, I have been somewhat lax with my Whateley reading, so I could have missed it.

P.S.: No feedback on the new wiki theme? *At all*?

Chickenhawk doesn't seem the type to just live with or just have kids with anyone. He's going all or nothing. (Not saying Karma wasn't an unplanned accident, but there would be a wedding involved at some point.)

I also can't see Imp not adopting Mischief after the marriage, given what she's shown about her thoughts on parenting. This is especially true if they are married before she becomes pregnant with Karma.

I can also Imp doing some really goody mother daughter bonding with Mischief.

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Kettlekorn wrote: Wiki theme looks fine to me. The blue in the light version irritates me a little, but that's purely an inertia thing since I'm used to the old background. There's nothing actually wrong with it, and I'll adapt.

I'll take a stab at drawing a higher resolution favicon.

Yeah, I guess it was a bit too stark. I lightened it from 33.3% saturation to 20%, and it might be somewhat easier on the eyes.

I might have to look into moving the dome a bit to the left so it is better centered over the content, but I'm not sure if that is a problem for other screen sizes. Appreciate feedback on people with different sized monitors (mine is a FullHD, 1920x1080px)

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Here's my stab at a scalable Crystal Hall icon.

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Nice! I converted the SVG to a multi-resolution .ico and uploaded it so people can give feedback. I have also moved the background image for the themes 70px to the left, so it now is better centered.

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wierd... we HAVE an icon. somewhere. Evidently it has wandered off again... it's a converted pic of the Montreal Biosphere...

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I'm not sure how much is the efforts of people here, and how much is Wikia retooling, but I like the sprucing up the wiki page got.

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Wikia/Fandom got a new theme, I did some work attempting to customize it but I'm not really happy. I saw a few other Fandom wikis which managed to do full-height backgrounds (as opposed to the default top-only backgrounds) but it seems to require going beyond the standard customization tools and creating custom CSS and possibly Javascript. I mean, I'm pretty comfortable with CSS editing, but I couldn't find a reference for this level of customization, so I went pretty much hands-off at this point.

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Well, the new site at Whateley.Academy is up...

whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/orde...he-near-future#70626

And we might want to move the Wiki into that site's Reference Materials...

But for now... We don't have a Medical Professionals category? Or do we want to call it something else?

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Malady wrote: Well, the new site at Whateley.Academy is up... And we might want to move the Wiki into that site's Reference Materials...

I had to hunt down the #WA Universe tag to find any of the Reference Materials. It might be a while before I have access to do anything with them. Moving 5,000+ pages over to the new site might eat up leased disk space. And also drive everyone nuts.

Malady wrote: But for now... We don't have a Medical Professionals category? Or do we want to call it something else?

Maybe "Health and Allied Services"?

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3 years 8 months ago - 3 years 8 months ago #1478 by Malady

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null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: Well, the new site at Whateley.Academy is up... And we might want to move the Wiki into that site's Reference Materials...

I had to hunt down the #WA Universe tag to find any of the Reference Materials. It might be a while before I have access to do anything with them. Moving 5,000+ pages over to the new site might eat up leased disk space. And also drive everyone nuts.

Well, we can work slowly... I'm slightly waiting for the site to stabilize and possibly get more features, before doing huge page migrations. I don't even know what I want Simon DeVille to look like.

null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: But for now... We don't have a Medical Professionals category? Or do we want to call it something else?

Maybe "Health and Allied Services"?

That sounds wordier / more syllabic than most of our other categories?

Hmm... Given some of our other categories, Law_Enforcement, Government...

Maybe just "Medicine" as a category?

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Anyone against moving DOD to "Department of Defense"? it's only 4 pages...

But we have the "United States Department of Defense" page...

Interesting, only the US ends in "se", all others use "ce"? Still, "Department of Defense (USA)" or something is clear and short?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Defence

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Malady wrote: Anyone against moving DOD to "Department of Defense"? it's only 4 pages...

But we have the "United States Department of Defense" page...

Because that's the name of the Department.

Malady wrote: Interesting, only the US ends in "se", all others use "ce"? Still, "Department of Defense (USA)" or something is clear and short?

Let's keep the naming consistent with the real-world USDOD. Likewise, Americans have been using the "Defense" spelling since at least 1787.

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Re moving the wiki to the "reference materials":

If we are talking about moving the content to another MediaWiki installation, it's supposed to be possible to do semi-automatically, as in exporting the database from Fandom and importing it there. If we are talking about changing to a different format, it's A. LOT. MORE. WORK.

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Sir Lee wrote: Re moving the wiki to the "reference materials":

If we are talking about moving the content to another MediaWiki installation, it's supposed to be possible to do semi-automatically, as in exporting the database from Fandom and importing it there. If we are talking about changing to a different format, it's A. LOT. MORE. WORK.

Yep! I'm just thinking about it just a little.

...

Hmm... Should we stick the Real World header on most city pages, or something?

See here: crystalhall.fandom.com/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

I feel we should do something special for places that are tiny but from the Real World, like

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