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- Arcanist Lupus
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Huh. Does becoming completely biologically your desired gender (like Chaka did) mean that you are no longer trans? I'd kind of say that it depends on the person, but I think it's an interesting question.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Kristin Darken
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Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Valentine
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Riddle of Sappho wrote: "Stephen, Marty won't ever not be a changeling," she cautioned him softly. "She'll have a vagina someday, and menstrual cramps and, God willing, beautiful healthy children." With a twinkle in her eye, Mrs. Horton said, "You might even have something to do with that."
Stronghold blushed fiercely, and with a tenderness most wouldn't ascribe to a PK Superman, he again brushed the lock of hair from her sleeping face. "I hope I'm that lucky," he whispered.
"But, despite that, son, Martine's past, thisMarty - Martin - lying here, this won't ever go away for her. And in the back of her mind, whenever she's happiest, whenever she thinks she's finally put it behind her, something will remind her that this, Martin, is who she used to be. Something will renew her fear that her secret will be exposed, putting her in new danger. And, sadly, there will always be those who will be only too happy to remind her. It will take a very strong man to be there for her when she goes through this."
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Sir Lee
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If there are no objections to the new category name, and no amendments to the descriptive text, I'll go live with it early next week.Gender-complicated
This category covers people who can't be easily fit into the old-fashioned "male" and "female" binary categories. It is, by design, a very inclusive category. It covers (but is not limited to):
- transgender people in the usual sense, that is, people who have a gender identity different from their biological gender
- intersexed people, who have biological characteristics of both genders
- people who had their biological gender changed against their choice. The number of factors which can lead to such a transition are as numerous as the individuals they affect, including but by no means limited to an Exemplar trait, a bonded spirit in the case of Avatars, and even nanotechnology
- people who alternate between genders
- people who no longer have a gender as such
In Poe Cottage internal slang, members of this category are known as "changelings," and are said to be "changing sides in the war between the sexes."
The name of the category refers to an item on the Whateley Academy admission form, where the applicant is asked to mark his sex, with the options being "Male/Female/Complicated."
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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"Complex Gender" or "Gender Complex"... While shorter, sounds strange, although it does align with the Author Sheets, which use Complex...
- Star
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At the top is the intro blurb, pic and the nav box. At the bottom is usually the references with the relationships above that. In between that I'm not sure because looking at several character pages there's no set order to the categories of information. Some are missing and some are what I would consider out of order. There's 41 pages of comments on this particular thread alone and searching the forum in general is not returning me any specifics as to a standard layout. I admit it could be so far down in the search results that I've not found it yet.
Is there a standard layout for characters pages?
Internet High Fives All Around
DeviantArt
Big Closet
TG Storytime
- Malady
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Yeah, we need to promote that more or something? Maybe not...
- Sir Lee
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We do have templates for MIDs, though. And we considered making a few sidebar templates to summarize the more repetitive information (like, for students, graduating class, cottage, powers, clubs, training team...) but nobody really stepped up to design those.
- Star
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It would go something like:
Intro blurb & Pic(There may not be a pic)
Nav Box
MID(alternatively the MID could go in Powers but I think it should be first)
Personality & Physical Description
History
Skills
Powers
Associations
References
If there's not enough data for one of the categories, it just isn't there, but the order remains the same.
Internet High Fives All Around
DeviantArt
Big Closet
TG Storytime
- Star
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Internet High Fives All Around
DeviantArt
Big Closet
TG Storytime
- Sir Lee
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- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Star
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To do this, if the page for it has a notes category, I will place the new information there, unless it is obvious where it goes, for later edit by me or someone else. I consider making the information available is more important than making it look pretty.
Internet High Fives All Around
DeviantArt
Big Closet
TG Storytime
- Star
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Internet High Fives All Around
DeviantArt
Big Closet
TG Storytime
- Sir Lee
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- Malady
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crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_episode
I could edit that template (Any regular user can edit it...) and then ask for a rename into Infobox Story so then it makes sense to use it for stories... Putting the info here in case Sir Lee wants to do it himself or something?
Also ones for Characters exist...
- Sir Lee
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I expect that a few things might have to be changed/adapted from those examples, though. For instance, the "Episodes" infobox assumes that you only have a single series (or maybe only a few ones); we would need a field for "series name" or "main character" or something of the sort. Similarly, for the "Characters" box the field list might need some tweaking -- that one seems geared towards RPG characters. There's stats there that are irrelevant to us, and there are a number of stats that are Whateley-specific but really relevant to us (besides the Powers, we would have -- for starters -- Class and Cottage, at least for students.)
- Malady
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1: Story name, writer(s), post date, (Use a conditional if it's only over a single day, and note that here.)
{| class="infobox" style="font-size:89%; width:300px;"
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! colspan="2" style="background-color:#3366CC; color:#ffffff; font-size:120%; padding:1em;" | ''{{{name}}}''
|- style="text-align:center;"
{{#if: {{{character|}}} {{#if: {{{number|}}} | colspan="2" | {{!}} ''Character" {{!!}} {{{character}}}, {{!}} "Story number" {{!!}} {{{number}}}'
|- style="text-align:center;"
{{#if: {{{image|}}} | {{!}} colspan="2" style="padding:0.5em;" {{!}} [[{{{image}}}|{{{imagewidth|250}}}px]] }}
|-
{{#if: {{{postdate|}}} | {{!}} '''Posted on''' {{!!}} {{{postdate}}} }}
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{{#if: {{{writer|}}} | {{!}} '''Written by''' {{!!}} {{{writer}}} }}
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{{#if: {{{day|}}} | {{!}} '''Happens on''' {{!!}} {{{day}}} }}
|}
2: Time period covered by the story.
{| class="infobox" style="font-size:89%; width:300px;"
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:#3366CC; color:#ffffff; font-size:120%; padding:0.25em; text-align:center;" | ''{{{Time period}}}''
|- style="text-align:center; font-size:95%;" valign="top"
| '''From'''<br />{{{from}}}
| '''To'''<br />{{{to}}}
|}
3: Stories it follows, and stories it's followed by.
{| class="infobox" style="font-size:89%; width:300px;"
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:#3366CC; color:#ffffff; font-size:120%; padding:0.25em; text-align:center;" | ''{{{Series}}}''
|- style="text-align:center; font-size:95%;" valign="top"
| '''Previous'''<br />{{{previous}}}
| '''Next'''<br />{{{next}}}
|}
Reuse that last box for each new series it needs to connect to. Like, for a Kayda + Loophole story, you have 1 box for the Kayda series and the other for the Loophole ones.
... Flashbacks do complicate dating the stories... Perhaps just cover the main events for the dates box.
- Star
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I see it primarily for help with those writing or building within the universe to know what popular culture in our world also exists in the Whateley Universe. Some things are a given like Tenchi Muyo and C'thulu, but others not so obvious. As an example, Felix the Cat is referenced by using slang derived from one of the characters names.
It also indirectly expands the detail of the universe by implying details without them having to explicitly included in other stories.
As I go story by story, I'll keep on adding detail to the pop culture list while I pull other stuff out of the story for other pages.
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DeviantArt
Big Closet
TG Storytime
- Sir Lee
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Not saying that the page is useless, however. It would be a nice place to list
(a) pop-culture references that exist in the WU but not in the RW (for instance, Sapphire Comics or Adventures of the MCO TV series),
and
(b) pop-culture elements that exist in both worlds but have notable differences between both versions. For instance, the Marvel movies in the WU are different, and Marvel ended up as part of AJK Inc, not Disney.
Also, if we ever run into this case, RW pop-culture things that *do not* exist in the WU.
- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Sir Lee
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- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- Sir Lee
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On the Sidhe: of course it's possible to add more stuff. That goes for any and every page.
- Cryptic
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Sir Lee wrote: On the Drow: yes, I think it would be appropriate, considering that we already have 4 drow on Gen1 and apparently quite a few more in Gen2.
On the Sidhe: of course it's possible to add more stuff. That goes for any and every page.
-nods- I will work up a Drow page some time this week.
As for my question about the Sidhe... I think I was asking more what is there new to add? But I'll reread and see what I can add to that as well.
I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- Cryptic
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CTA does have it's own page, i'll fix that when I have a chance later today or Monday.
I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- Wrayth
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Only asking because a fanfic I read really needs help with terminology. And maybe going the avatar route instead of the MC having a bunch of abilities and powers.
- Esar
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The "general" ranking system :
0 A level that's used in a single very exceptional circumstance: a mutant who does not have a Wizard talent, but is still a trained mage. This is not used for any other circumstance, including a baseline Mage. There may be a similar use for a mutant who's also a trained psychic without any mutant psychic talent, but if so, it hasn't shown up in any stories.
1 an exceptional individual in their level. After all, even a weak ability to channel magnetism, electricity or telepathy is a potent weapon when combined with a creative mind.
2 a paragon, one of the great people whom you can look upon in awe of their achievements and wish you were as cool, even though they were clearly mortal, they were POTENT mortal. Heroes and Savants and rulers alike. (NOT the Paragon Esper trait.)
3 considered a demigod, or the greatest of mortal heroes in most early cultures. These would be people for whom epic ballads would have been constructed.
4 a clear, definable power in their own right. Anyone with a 4 would have been worshiped as a God in less modern times
5 an EXTREMELY powerful character. We're talking capable of punching some of the greats in the face and walking out alive - if they're not stupid. As far as mortal men would have been concerned in earlier times. This would be, not considered, but BE a God walking among men.
6 "We can measure the upper limits of this power with modern day techniques. We think." In the dark days of Christianity a Six ANYTHING could be likened to a Seraphim of Biblical Lore. Unstoppable, Indescribable, and a destroyer of nations, or a world-class conqueror, or a living Holy Icon.
7 "fuck all, we have no goddamn clue what we're dealing with here." This is truly beyond the ken of mortals. A Seven would have been considered one of the primordial forces that the Gods had to harness and chain to forge the world. This may be mistaken, but that is the perception. A Seven is the absolute limit of the Scientific, Wild-Ass Guess classifications that comprise the Mutant Classification system. Fey is a Seven because the Fae magics she use DO NOT seem to operate in any way a normal human wizard operates, beyond following the laws of magic. Hence, she gets thrown into a 7 classification because she can tap God's own lightningrods, ley lines, without dying instantly. Yes friends, if Sir Wallace Westmont tapped an actual Ley Line, he'd be mage on Flambe without some EXTREME precautions.
And a lot of powers have specific description, for example, http://crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Exemplar
Level 1 Normal abilities, but body may be reshaped by the "exemplar effect". They're trim and strong, despite perhaps having a poor diet. This may shape people into alternate genders or give unexpected physical developments, without necessarily granting superhuman powers. Tend to heal quickly and are resistant to disease.
Level 2 Upper reaches of human physical and mental ability. The very tip-top of normal humanity may match or barely exceed them. They heal quickly enough that it is almost like a low-level regeneration.
Level 3 Just above human maximum in strength, agility, intelligence, etc. Better than any normal human, but not stunningly better. Their strength is much greater than human maximum, but they rarely exceed 500 or 600 pounds in a dead lift. At this level, we begin to see true regeneration, but it is a slow regeneration.
Level 4 True superhumans. They break the 1000 pound lift barrier. While not bulletproof, exemplars of this level have sufficiently resilient bone and muscle structure that low calibre bullet hits are unlikely to cause significant trauma unless a vital area is struck. Even without regen they are almost immune to illness and infection.
Level 5 Lower lift limit: 1ton. At this level memory is fully eidetic.
Level 6 ‘True bulletproof’ with low calibre shots unable to even penetrate skin, although the kinetic impact may slow them down a little.
Level 7 The highest level of exemplar ever seen.
Exemplar , Warperwarping , Wizard , regenerator , Avatar have extensive descriptions for example. I was going to list all of them but I had forgotten about the limit of links available for each post.
Basicly, except for PDP, energizer and devisor, you should have what you are looking for in the wiki.
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- elrodw
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Valentine wrote: If I remember correctly there are 4 characters that are or have the potential to be 7+ ratings. A fully trained Fey's Wiz Rating, Tennyo's Regen Rating, Jimmy T's Shifter Rating, and FUBAR's Psi rating. Kayda's Avatar Rating may be this high but no one is pushing to find out.
Kayda's avatar rating is NOT that high. She's at most a 5; her Ptesanwi spirit (Tatanka is her other MINOR spirit) allows her to channnel Wakan Tanka. She'd have to be a 7 to host Wakan Tanka directly, which she cannot do.
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Katssun
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- Sir Lee
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So, don't expect a 100% consistent picture.
- Katssun
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As is any devisor and gadgeteer. Their specialties and area of focus make a big difference. Jobe is nearly universally feared, compared to Lanie or Kayda.
It's only the straightforward sets like Exemplar that follow some sort of power scale, and Regen can in some ways actually get worse the higher one goes.
- Valentine
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elrodw wrote:
Valentine wrote: If I remember correctly there are 4 characters that are or have the potential to be 7+ ratings. A fully trained Fey's Wiz Rating, Tennyo's Regen Rating, Jimmy T's Shifter Rating, and FUBAR's Psi rating. Kayda's Avatar Rating may be this high but no one is pushing to find out.
Kayda's avatar rating is NOT that high. She's at most a 5; her Ptesanwi spirit (Tatanka is her other MINOR spirit) allows her to channnel Wakan Tanka. She'd have to be a 7 to host Wakan Tanka directly, which she cannot do.
My misunderstanding. I thought she had a closer connection to Wakan Tanka. (And that they were deliberately hiding it.)
Don't Drick and Drive.
- elrodw
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Valentine wrote:
elrodw wrote:
Valentine wrote: If I remember correctly there are 4 characters that are or have the potential to be 7+ ratings. A fully trained Fey's Wiz Rating, Tennyo's Regen Rating, Jimmy T's Shifter Rating, and FUBAR's Psi rating. Kayda's Avatar Rating may be this high but no one is pushing to find out.
Kayda's avatar rating is NOT that high. She's at most a 5; her Ptesanwi spirit (Tatanka is her other MINOR spirit) allows her to channnel Wakan Tanka. She'd have to be a 7 to host Wakan Tanka directly, which she cannot do.
My misunderstanding. I thought she had a closer connection to Wakan Tanka. (And that they were deliberately hiding it.)
Ah, yeah, I can understand that perception. The connection is to the Ptesanwi spirit, which gives her a very close connection to WT. It's not direct avatar, but it's more than Channeler. It's one of those oddball powers that's so very difficult to describe, as Sir Lee noted.
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Dreamer
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I remember Ribbon as being an EX-6, Regen-4 for her ratings, not Regen-6.Katssun wrote: But there are a fair amount of 6's in Gen1. For example, Ribbon and Hippolyta are both EX-6, Regen-6.
Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked.

- Katssun
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I stand corrected. Thanks for catching it.Dreamer wrote:
I remember Ribbon as being an EX-6, Regen-4 for her ratings, not Regen-6.Katssun wrote: But there are a fair amount of 6's in Gen1. For example, Ribbon and Hippolyta are both EX-6, Regen-6.
- Malady
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The Artificer Trio are called the Three Maidens in Widening Gyre, making it likely they're the same Three Maidens of Dragon Queen. Need to cite that. There were some guesses it was the TLW, but while interesting, I'm going no... AU fun tho...
Dragon Queen (Story) reveals Lex went to Westchester Montessori, like the others, just in Gen2. Give the page a reflist, if it doesn't already have one...
- elrodw
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If it's a good idea, it's mine. If not, I'm going to blame the extreme pain from a torn rotator cuff.

Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Dreamer
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Good grief, please say you are on strong pain meds right now. I fell out of bed, some cuts and bruised right hipbone but those don't sound even close to the pain of a torn rotator cuff.elrodw wrote: Wondering if it would be prudent to make a separate section for crossover characters, like Kayda or SFL or Fey, labeled 2nd Generation or something. That would help place the 2nd gen stuff, and would allow someone who didn't want to see spoilers of Gen 2 to stop reading at that tag.
If it's a good idea, it's mine. If not, I'm going to blame the extreme pain from a torn rotator cuff.

Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked.

- Malady
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elrodw wrote: Wondering if it would be prudent to make a separate section for crossover characters, like Kayda or SFL or Fey, labeled 2nd Generation or something. That would help place the 2nd gen stuff, and would allow someone who didn't want to see spoilers of Gen 2 to stop reading at that tag.
If it's a good idea, it's mine. If not, I'm going to blame the extreme pain from a torn rotator cuff.
.... Some wikis use a notice image to say "Spoilers here! Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled!"
Although, Dragonblade being a Westchester Montessori kid isn't spoilers? ... I guess we solve this Gen2 issue before we make more Gen2 edits.
Could make a separate page for Gen2 things, like Westchester Montessori (Gen2), and link from the general page, or turn Westchester Montessori into a disambig for both pages or something.
- elrodw
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Contents
Headquarters
Members
Interns
Staff
References
My thinking would change this to the following:
Contents
Headquarters
Members
Interns
Staff
Generation 2
References
Note - Kayda's entry already has this (in blue below):
Contents
MID
Appearance
Powers
Classes
Associations
Generation 2
References
I think we should standardize an approach for this, however it goes, but I really would suggest NOT making a separate page for the crossover characters in Gen 2.
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Sir Lee
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There are several characters in that story that have appearances in both generations. However, only two (Jadis and Lindsay) have a significant presence on Gen1; the rest have only passing mentions and small roles.
My judgment call would be to treat everybody BUT Jadis and Lindsay as "pure" Gen2 characters, with their appearances on Gen1 treated as "revealed backstory."
Jadis and Lindsay, OTOH, are mainly Gen1 characters. So facts revealed in Gen2 stories should be treated as sort-of spoilers. A possible way to segregate those "spoilers" in the wiki might be, as suggested, to have specific Gen2 subtopics -- like a "character story/appearances" and a separate "Character appearances on Generation 2" (which might be simply named "Post-2016" or something like that). Similarly, other sections might get "Post-2016" subsections if relevant. I have to dig into MediaWiki syntax to see if there's a way to make those subsections to appear collapsed by default...
...OK, turns out it's pretty simply: just enclose the to-be-hidden text in a <div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"></div>. I just did it to the "She-Beast" page as a test.
More details here: community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Collapsing
- Katssun
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Generally, the collapsed portion would be for cameos, references, and the fate of a character from Gen1 who appears in Gen 2. It's pretty easy to distinguish which would be more important, because we aren't talking about New York sitcom versus Chicago sitcom spinoff. It's a 10 year split.
But it also will work for the rare instances where the authors might want to use it in reverse. Maybe something like their Gen2 character has a major character arc about finding out they were adopted, that's used across many stories and represents a large impact to their character, but their author, or one of the others, would also like to toss in a causal reference where a side/support character gives that child up in the past.
You wouldn't want their parent's identity to be spoiled for readers who pick up Whateley and stick to one of the generations before leaping into the older one, or vice versa. Keeps the mystery for those who want it.
Or they are a legacy student and you don't want to reveal it, or a supervillan's child, or a hero's child who wants to join the Masterminds, and so on.
- Valentine
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Imp is still around, although Hotrod seems to have retired.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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Amelie Vitesse still doesn't have a codename?? crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Vitesse_family#Amelie_Vitesse
- Malady
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But, this is mainly as a quick reply to the Palantir edit.
I think she's starts at 13 for 2006. Not the school year, but the whole year. We have no indication that she's still thirteen, or not, in the TLW story...
- Sir Lee
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So, I'm going to remove the speculations regarding when she turned 14.
- Malady
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So the links don't work.
- Sir Lee
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This is going to require manual editing and probably to get ride entirely of the "story link" template -- I don't see the point of it anyway; the wiki already has two different places we keep direct links to the stories (the main story list page, and the individual pages for each story); having a third one is just redundant and adds to the maintenance headaches.
- Malady
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whateleyacademy.net/index.php/stories/782 = kayda-10-there-s-no-place-like-poe-part-4
Maybe turn this:
[http://www.crystalhall.org/{{{1}}}.html {{#if:{{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|Complete}}]
into this?
[http://whateleyacademy.net/index.php/stories/{{{1}}} {{#if:{{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|Complete}}]
... Finally figured out conditionals! Now I can mod Infobox_episode to apply to stories! Perhaps...
But, yeah... Redundancy is sorta bad... ... Should we link to the tags for each character from their page?
- Sir Lee
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But I think we will have to either figure out a (much simpler) replacement template or just edit it all out.
I mean, the basic problem with these templates is not so much that they link to the website, but rather that they appear to rely on the page URLs being exactly consistent with the story names. And they aren't. Mostly due to mistakes that would be too much work to fix, but sometimes they are required to be different due to technical issues (like having to escape out a forbidden character). That was already true for the old site; this is thrice true to the new site, which adds the extra complication of article numbers in the URLs. It's too ambitious.
So, I think simplifying the "Story list" template and getting rid of the "Story list entry" and "story link" templates might be the best approach... Or maybe keeping "Story list" an "story list entry" in a simpler form.
- elrodw
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Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Sir Lee
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Now it's just a matter of going through the other pages that use those templates...
(EDIT)
Done! Fortunately there were only three character pages, plus the sample page, using that template set. Which is now gone, by the way.
I'm open to the idea of a new template that presents this info in a better way... but I think it would have to be done from scratch. Simply stated, those templates started with the wrong assumptions. Leaving them available would be cluttering the wiki and inviting trouble.
- Kristin Darken
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Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- mittfh
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Topic Author
However, as it was mainly just grabbing the dates and wordcounts, if people can dive into the Googly sheet and sense-check it / fill in the blanks (particularly the Story / Episode fields, as they're keys; if you can estimate when undated stories took place, add the dates with " #" appended), I'd be grateful - obviously when you've filled in a blank, remove the pink background so future viewers / editors can see it's been handled (maybe even give verified fields a pale green background if you're sufficiently bored

--> Sheet is here <--
As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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- mittfh
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Topic Author
With undated stories, if you can't identify exactly when they are likely to have taken place, put your best guess (e.g. Month / year, season / year, or year - if it's impossible to deduce, stick 0 in the Generation field so I can file it with "Out of Continuity")
As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
- Kristin Darken
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If you want a better header for the category, instead of generation call it "Collection" and then you have OT, G2, EW, IF, FIF, etc... and it will make more sense if we add another story series, and don't just make it another generation up the timeline.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- mittfh
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Topic Author
Currently, it includes both dated tales such as A Good Man, Baker's Dozen, Braeburn Report, Mimeographic, Out on a Tether, Sun And Fun, The Real MCO; plus uncertain dated stories such as Razzle Dazzle, Forging Anew and Professional Courtesy.
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Aside: Just spotted Bear Bitch & Everything p03 was missing so added it - if anyone's bored enough, check that nothing else has been omitted and the tales have the correct story / episode number. PoV is a lesser concern, as people can easily add other PoVs once they've been Wikified - getting them in is the initial priority (then updating the word count spreadsheet, so we can see if Elrod and Morpheus are catching up to Bek + Diane yet...)
As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
- Valentine
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BTW the Current Student List should be up to date for Fall 2007.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Sir Lee
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Hmm. I had noticed that Wikia had been fiddling with the themes (like the buttons now being sharp flat-color rectangular bricks, sorta like Windows 8/10), but I hadn't noticed that it had affected the logo. I'll look into it.Valentine wrote: A minor request of Sir Lee (hoping it doesn't make him surly) can you change either the banner color or the color of "Whateley Academy" in the banner. Those two blues are too close for either my monitor or my eyes. Thank you.
(A few minutes later)
There, is that better? I hope Wikia won't be changing the background back to white anytime soon...
I found also a new(ish) thing called a "header graphic". It doesn't seem to be really useful... to the best of my knowledge, it is applied (with a transparency gradient) over the right end of the title bar, but under the icons located there. For the sake of experimenting, I placed a made a file of the maximum size (471x115 pixels) and colored it a flat bright orange (#FFA800), and put it there. As you can see, even at the rightmost end it is sort of a muddy old gold, meaning that it is still transparent enough to let some of the blue below to get through. By my reckoning the rightmost 200pixels or so are at a constant 50% transparency, and the left 271 pixels are at a gradient from 50% to 100% transparency, going right to left.
I'm not sure what can be done with this design element. Maybe apply some texture to the right end to the bar? I can't think anything that would make sense for Whateley. A triangular tile pattern, representing the Crystal Hall geodesic dome, maybe? Hmm, that could work. Kristin, can you point me to the one you used for the Crystal Hall logo?
- Kristin Darken
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Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Malady
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The former is linked from Ellen and First Imp-ressions , while the latter is only linked from the Sortable No Code Name Character Index .
- Sir Lee
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Generally speaking, we only use the honorific in the page title if we don't have a full name for the character -- except if the honorific is part of an (active) codename.
I qualify the "active" in codename because there are numerous characters (e.g. most of the Whateley teachers) who are mostly retired and prefer going by their full names -- for instance, Mrs. Carson did not really retire her Lady Astarte persona, but these days she rarely brings it out of the armoire.
So, in most cases (active) codename trumps full name, and that trumps pretty much everything else. Alternate names are redirected. But it's a guideline, not a rule; there are too many cases that don't fit, and have to be adjusted.
- Domoviye
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Thanks.
- Valentine
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Domoviye wrote: I've got some write ups for stories and characters, but I really hate getting it looking nice on the wiki, who would be willing to post them for me?
Thanks.
I'd be willing to do that.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Domoviye
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- Sir Lee
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Ugly data beats no data any day of the week.
However, I suggest you create a Wikia account so we know it's, well, you who are posting instead of some unknown who has to be double-checked for every comma.
- Domoviye
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- Malady
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Article Naming:
Use the codename if it's available, else use first name + last name. If there's only the first name or last name, then...
- Sir Lee
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- Sir Lee
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- Astrodragon
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I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
- mittfh
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Topic Author
That is, unless anyone with Wiki experience, time on their hands and nothing better to do with their life fancies helping out

As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
- Malady
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Ugh. I should raid other wikias to find the best book infoboxes for us to replicate...
- Sir Lee
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But that's to be expected. Enforcing the " One Steve Limit " in such a large universe is just about impossible. And stretches the suspension of disbelief.
- null0trooper
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Sir Lee wrote: But that's to be expected. Enforcing the " One Steve Limit " in such a large universe is just about impossible. And stretches the suspension of disbelief.
Even with a minimum requirement of two name elements for a registrable name to be protected thereafter, the Society for Creative Anachronism keeps many people busy thanks to the intersection of Common Given Name with Common Surname. Even the group's well-known Special Snowflake Syndrome is no cure, because the Special Snowflakes simply gravitate to abusing an even smaller pool of name elements, having gotten them from all the same stories, books, and games as each other.
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
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- Valentine
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Sir Lee wrote: Oh, at least four Elaines. I once suggested a possible club, consisting of Loophole, Skybolt and Delta Spike. Faculty Advisor: Elaine Claire. And that's just on campus. Greg/Gracie Goodkind had a psychotherapist named Elaine Allison, for instance.
But that's to be expected. Enforcing the " One Steve Limit " in such a large universe is just about impossible. And stretches the suspension of disbelief.
What is funny is that Tropes page lists WU under the examples and uses the Loophole/DS example, then mentions that the rule is enforced with codenames. Unfortunately two Olympias and two Frostbites slipped through.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Sir Lee
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- Kettlekorn
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- Kristin Darken
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Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Schismatism
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Curiosity is the engine which drives society forward.
- Malady
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And there's the preview option, which even I don't use as much as I should...
If you're on mobile, though, things change a bit, 'cause of the increased difficulty in editing?
- Sir Lee
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No, it's all right, there's nothing to apologize for -- this is how it's supposed to work.Schismatism wrote: I fear I must offer my most sincere apologies to Sir Lee for forcing them to clean up after me here and there; I'm that enigmatic and pseudo-anonymous editor who's been adding minor details to pages (and writing verbose summaries of Call the Thunder). I do hope I haven't caused you too many headaches. Wikia's editing tools are a bit tricky.
As I have said time and again, researching is 90% of the work. Tweaking a few details here and there is MUCH less work than it would be to do the research and writing myself.
And it would be unrealistic to demand that every contributor be an expert in the minutiae of MediaWiki syntax, much less in the ad-hoc conventions we kinda-sorta settled on for the Whateley wiki.
So, you do the heavy lifting, and don't worry about the polishing -- one of the more experienced editors will take care of it. It's supposed to be a collaboration, not a competition.
With that said... you might want to register to Wikia, so that your edits are clearly identified. That's how you eventually build a reputation as a contributor. There's also a number of extra settings available for registered users.
- Schismatism
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Stuff and nonsense! Just because I might carry in the bookshelf doesn't mean that I shouldn't also help sweep up the sawdust left in my wake. And besides, the devil's in the details, and those can sometimes be a much bigger headache than just reading a story and condensing it down a bit.Sir Lee wrote: No, it's all right, there's nothing to apologize for -- this is how it's supposed to work.
As I have said time and again, researching is 90% of the work. Tweaking a few details here and there is MUCH less work than it would be to do the research and writing myself.
And it would be unrealistic to demand that every contributor be an expert in the minutiae of MediaWiki syntax, much less in the ad-hoc conventions we kinda-sorta settled on for the Whateley wiki.
So, you do the heavy lifting, and don't worry about the polishing -- one of the more experienced editors will take care of it. It's supposed to be a collaboration, not a competition.
With that said... you might want to register to Wikia, so that your edits are clearly identified. That's how you eventually build a reputation as a contributor. There's also a number of extra settings available for registered users.
I'll almost certainly register for Wikia, especially with the knowledge that extra, helpful features are hanging in the wings, waiting for me to do so. Having my tag on the edits I make is comparatively meaningless; if I want to edit something, I don't care so much about who sees me do it, I just want it to be right.
My sincerest thanks remain for your efforts in cleaning up after my large-scale edits, though, and taking care of those devilish details... such as the spelling of the Medawihla Pack's name, which no two authors seem to be able to agree upon.
Curiosity is the engine which drives society forward.
- Kristin Darken
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Ok.. ok... its a spelling thing...
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Valentine
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While much of what is listed as GSD is GSD, there is also the Spirit-Hallow-Mismatch Deformity thing that Danny, Razorback, and others have. There is also MATD like Kaiju, Belle, and Marty have. Chimerical Trait Acquisition like Bova,
Have I missed any?
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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GSD = Genetically-derived alteration of human form from the baseline. Right?
- Sir Lee
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Briefly, the current "Loose Cannons" wiki page is about the story, not the group of people. We should have discussed this more thoroughly in the past, but we didn't. So we should talk a bit about the best approach moving forward, particularly now that the second story is being posted and more pages/links are bound to appear. If Bek wants to give Word of God on this, it will be more than welcome.
So, we have a number of possible approaches:
1. The lazy one (keep everything pretty much the way it is):
- Keep "Loose Cannons" as a story page title;
- Create a "Loose Cannons (group)" page for the group.
The pro is that it doesn't involve a lot of work now. The con is that it will give higher status, so to speak (and an easier page name to remember when linking) to a story, which is sorta limited in scope, over a group, who might be referenced in a lot more ways.
2. The traditional one (do the same as we have done in the past for similar cases, such as Vamp, Garafena, Roulette and Whisper)
- Rename "Loose Cannons" to "Loose Cannons (story)" -- keep ignoring the subtitle ("A Perfect Storm over California") as far as page titles go
- Fix all the links that point to the old page
- Create a new "Loose Cannons" page for the group
Pro: Consistency
Con: a bit of work. Not really that much, though -- the bot can do the heavy lifting, and there are only twenty or so incoming links, so even the ones that end up requiring hand-tweaking won't be too many.
3. The radical one (Go further, and use the subtitle to differentiate the story page from the group page)
- Rename "Loose Cannons" to "Loose Cannons - A Perfect Storm over California" or even to just "A Perfect Storm over Califonia"
- Fix all the links that point to the old page
- Create a new "Loose Cannons" page for the group
Pro: disambiguity
Con: Very long page name (hard to type if you aren't using the autocomplete feature and sounds unnecessarily verbose), most people think of the first story being named simply "Loose Cannons". Although if Bek gives WoG on the intended title, her preference should take precedence.
So... thoughts?
- Malady
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- Valentine
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If someone (Bek) would stop using weird story naming conventions it would be easier.

Don't Drick and Drive.
- Sir Lee
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- Bek D Corbin
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And where's the fun in THAT?Valentine wrote: If someone (Bek) would stop using weird story naming conventions it would be easier.
- Malady
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... So, we're hiding the date / year spoiler in Out on a Tether ? ... Maybe use the Spoiler functionality to hide it?
- Sir Lee
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- Sir Lee
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For the time being, I just added a note to the existing Glitter entry, but we really should split those. However, I'm thinking which of them is the "more deserving" to keep the base pagename... there are good arguments for either:
- Gladiator!Glitter probably has the name registered in her MID, while the student!Glitter probably will have to change names before graduation.
- OTOH, Gladiator!Glitter is more likely to be a throwaway character (she might not even survive the story, freeing the codename for the student...), while student!Glitter is more likely to show up again, assuming E.E. has plans for C.O.R.E...
Also: I wonder if the "Brillante" who have appeared on V,B,V! is an alternate spelling to the "Brilliante" who was mentioned in passing in "Ayla and the Tests"?
- Kettlekorn
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- Sir Lee
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The Loose Cannons are a special case: they got some notoriety and were delivered to her hands before having official codenames, so she could create her own. Even so, she went for the most part with the nicknames that were created on the spot by the HeroWatch broadcasters.
- E. E. Nalley
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While some of these, like Death Ghost, are just that desperate, a great number will be look-a-likes and fakes. Whoever this 'Glitter' is, odds are great that isn't the name on her MID.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
- Malady
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If so, what should it look like?
Like 2007-02-03 ? Weekday name as large header, Location as a 2nd level header, and only linking back to stories in references?
'Cause I was thinking of linking back to stories in the main content as well...
Or doing them like 2006-09-03 which has no headers, except for the references section...
- Sir Lee
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Personally, I don't care for the gigantic level-1 title in 2007-06-23. I suppose we could just do it as a regular first paragraph - '''Saturday, February 3, 2007''' instead of =Saturday, February 3, 2007=.
Level 1 headings are discouraged anyway, the help always suggests start by level 2 (==heading==). And it has the extra benefit of moving above the page summary if any. In fact, I'm changing it now, see how you like it.
But subheadings are not bad -- the other page is sort of an wall of text. No hard rules here, but a good rule of thumb would be to use subheadings to separate things that happen... well, separately. Like in different geographical places, or (in case of stuff happening at Whateley, on dates when there's A LOT going on), things happening in different parts of the campus. Sometimes, separation by time period instead (or in addition to) separation by space might be appropriate. I did some of this in the other page.
- Malady
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Hmm... If for some reason, we get tons and tons of stuff happening on the same day, should we, if that happens, split the day up into subpages based on location, or time?
Like this , which has subpages listed at the top somehow?
Although how that's any different from a disambiguation page, I dunno?
- Sir Lee
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Dates when a whole lot happens that might (maybe) suggest subpages? Hmmm... let me see... day of arrival at Whateley (2006/2007/2016), Halloween 2006, various Combat Finals could be possibles. But I don't really think we are there yet. Calendar pages aren't supposed to give a blow-by-blow narrative, only the broad strokes anyway, so there's a lot of room for summarizing. But it's something to keep in mind for the future.
- Malady
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Should I just fill them with linkbacks, like "Buffalo Gal Won't You Come Out Tonight Part 4 starts on this day", etc?
It's still information after all? *shrugs*
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So, how is this for a sample date page? ... I should have just used a big code box, like Template:Book ? And all the samples should go in the Template Category?
- E. E. Nalley
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Malady wrote: ... Not sure how many blank date pages are there, but there's atleast 2007-03-09 , 2007-03-11 and 2007-03-12 .
Should I just fill them with linkbacks, like "Buffalo Gal Won't You Come Out Tonight Part 4 starts on this day", etc?
It's still information after all? *shrugs*
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So, how is this for a sample date page? ... I should have just used a big code box, like Template:Book ? And all the samples should go in the Template Category?
While I like the little box down in the corner of template book that gives the at a glance stuff, that would be a lot of work for somebody and, more importantly so long as the uni moving forward, unending. That said, the Sample date page is very nicely organized and, more importantly invites people to add to it because it looks easier than the more visually appealing at a glance box.
Now if someone wants to go back do all those, I will NOT complain(!) however the information is more useful, especially as we authors use the wiki as a quick reference, so more in the wiki is always better.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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Aug 20
TNPLP - Danny, Kayda, and mom go to doc for Danny, then shopping
Aug 23
TNPLP - Danny packs, gets kissy with girls, gets "the talk" from Dad
Aug 24
TNPLP - Kayda and Deb have picnic and start thinking of post-heroing
Aug 27
TNPLP - Flight from Sioux Falls to Boston, Danny helps girl on flight, spilled drink and Hello Kitty hoodie, train to Dunwich, Danny meets Mischief
TNPLP - Ros is attracted to Danica
R&R1 - Ribbon and Roulette arrive, have wing meeting, and room together
Aug 28
TNPLP - Lunch and intro of Poe 2nd floor in Crystal Hall
R&R1 - Gravmax and Iron try to pick up Roulette
Aug 29
TNPLP - Danny being harassed by freshie and soph anti-gay bullies
TNPLP - Poe girls defend Danny, Security breaks it up
R&R1 - Ribbon gets classes set up, ties up bloodwolf, Aegis gets ass kicked trying to play hero
R&R1 - Roulette burns out on quad
Aug 31
TNPLP - Kayda tests out of English, avoids moving to 3rd floor. gets jealous of Tansy and Lanie
TNPLP - Kiga moving through Ontario, Canada
Sept 1
TNPLP - Carson's office meeting about Kayda's summer adventures
TNPLP - In vehicle shop, Tansy looking for Lanie rouses Kayda's jealousy
Sept 2
TNPLP - Ghostwalkers Picnic, Ayla with Addy, Tissy and Nitro have no biggie with Ayla
Sept 4
TNPLP - Dream space - talk with deb about Tansy and Lanie and jealousy
Sept 6
TNPLP - Field trip in Carson's extra-dimensional class
TNPLP - Harassment from Tweak about sexuality. Cueball apologizes.
TNPLP - Lanie and Tansy are called to Hartfords office, making Kayda feel left out
TNPLP - Kayda is very distracted in sim and GW get stomped
TNPLP - Dream walk with Wabli and feeling sorry for herself
Sept 7
TNPLP - Bigot comments about Lanie and Tansy and poking fun at Kayda. TNPLP - Kayda ghost-walks from caf.
TNPLP - Kayda in fab shop, working on her nano-mill. Talks to Lanie, but has doubts.
Sept 8
TNPLP - Chou tells of first part of her summer
TNPLP - Lanie forgets dinner plans with Kayda, hurts Kayda's feelings.
TNPLP - Kiga crosses St. Lawrence River
TNPLP - Kayda asks Mrs. H to move to 3rd floor. Lanie talks to Kayda.
Sat Sept 8
TNPLP - Ayla talks to Kayda about patents and math tutoring
TNPLP - Chou tells about summer in China
TNPLP - Danny is embarrassed by Teri in quad
TNPLP - Coyote tricks Kayda in dream space with images of Lanie and Tansy. Deb can't convince Kayda that it's innocent
Sept 9
TNPLP - Mrs. H tries to calm Kayda
TNPLP - Mrs. H summons Laneth spirit from Lanie to help Kayda
TNPLP - Kayda has bad experience in special engineer's board, wants to go home
TNPLP - Tansy finds Kayda sitting on 'her' hill and dream walks with her.
TNPLP - Unhcegila trying to break out from HPARC
TNPLP - Laneth fights Deb for Kayda in Kayda's dream space
TNPLP - Coyote helps Laneth manifest in real world; Mrs. H can't recall her spirit
Sept 10
TNPLP - Kayda and Lanie talk and resolve things finally
TNPLP - Laneth manifests and attacks security guard
TNPLP - Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda talk about schedule
TNPLP - Ghostwalkers win sim with Hank as villain (bad monologuing)
Sept 11
TNPLP - Laneth gets Lanie's armor and crossbow
TNPLP - Kayda meets BIA and Lakota chiefs, who want her to be rep
TNPLP - Mrs. H informs Mrs. Carson about Laneth manifesting
TNPLP - Mr Two Knives tests Danny while Kayda and Chou train
TNPLP - Kayda talks to Grimes and Lodgeman about offensive magic
Sept 12
TNPLP - Laneth merges with Lanie
TNPLP - Coyote reveals Wakan Tanka's lie to Kayda and Carson's lie to Lanie
TNPLP - Kayda comforts Lanie and then Tansy
Sept 13
TNPLP - Paramount and Hartford recruit girls to Committee
TNPLP - Hartford gives Lanie parts list for SW Teleporter to her hideout
TNPLP - Kayda summons Mustang from Tansy to tell about Tansy's feelings
TNPLP - Nations beat a sim
TNPLP - Nations meeting - introduces new members and Danny. They won't let Kayda duck out of being chief
Sept 15
TNPLP - Kayda, Lanie, and Tansy go sailing in simulator
TNPLP - get bullied in Crystal, Outcasts thump the anti-gay bullies
Sept 15
TNPLP - Kayda looks for books on shamanic magic in library
TNPLP - HM sees and decides to steer Kayda to dark magic tomes
TNPLP - Mrs. Carson and Lanie resolve things
Sept 18
TNPLP - Lanie and Kayda work in machine shop
BFTP - Mrs. C figures out puzzle about Donna
Sept 19
BFTP - Mrs. C has Ribbon get Lady Havoc to Whateley to work on weapons for her
BFTP - Mrs. C has Roulette contact mom to get weapons
BFTP - Mrs. C has devisors start making weapons for her expedition
Sept 20
TNPLP - Mrs. C's fiery speech about no temples
TNPLP - Ghost Walkers get stomped by Grunts in no-win sim scenario
BFTP - Caitlin makes recall crystals and magic batteries for her expedition
Sept 21
TNPLP - Danny confronts Kayda about what Coyote told him
BFTP - Carson finds out her calculations are off - have to take improvised team
TNPLP - Caitlin, Carson, Lanie, Kayda, and Paulson got to another dimension and rescue Donna (also BFTP)
Sept 22
TNPLP - Group gets back (time dilation) injured. (also BFTP)
TNPLP - Danny is found drunk. Danny and Kayda talk things out
TNPLP - Ghost Walkers talk about spirit guides and charms
TNPLP - Kiga attacks Charlie Lodgeman, Sandra and Jack. Caitlin comes, and they beat it back.
Tea - Tansy has tea with Jadis to apologize
Sept 23
BFTP - Carson finds out Donna is dying from dimensional effects
BFTP - Wyatt, Kayda, Grimes put piece of Astarte Force in Donna
Sept 24
TNPLP - HM substitutes a book of dark spells for Kayda to check out
TNPLP - Kiga starts working on reconnecting to physical plane
Sept 25
BFTP - Kayda shows Donna around campus, including vehicle lab
BFTP - Maria agrees to take Donna as roommate
key:
TNPLP - There's No Place Like Poe
BFTP - Blast from the Past
R&R1 - A Little R&R 1
Never give up, Never surrender! Captain Peter Quincy Taggert
- Malady
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Like: crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Dated_Stories_-_AY_2007-08
Is it by order of publication? Or character? 'Cause "Glow 1 p03" has is placed two stories after part 2.
Also, I want to add Hank 5 and Hank 6 , 'cause they're hold the only Peggy (Phoenixfire's Mysterious Sister) who could be the Mystery Peggy from "the-evil-that-men-do"?
- Sir Lee
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- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Sir Lee
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...but it was a rather curious spamming, in that it didn't seem totally random. Here's the thing: the alleged merchandise being pushed was something supposed to induce "male breast enlargement" for M2F transgendered people. And they didn't edit existing pages, either -- rather, they only added a single page (plus an image).
- Malady
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It's split into Gen1 and Gen2, but I'm not sure if Spooky goes in Gen1... Or a hypothetical Gen0, because as of Gen1, she's not a Junior High kid...
- null0trooper
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Malady wrote: It's split into Gen1 and Gen2, but I'm not sure if Spooky goes in Gen1... Or a hypothetical Gen0, because as of Gen1, she's not a Junior High kid...
Does she show up in any stories that take place completely before or after 2006-2011?
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
- Malady
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null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: It's split into Gen1 and Gen2, but I'm not sure if Spooky goes in Gen1... Or a hypothetical Gen0, because as of Gen1, she's not a Junior High kid...
Does she show up in any stories that take place completely before or after 2006-2011?
No, don't think so. ... How's that change things?
- null0trooper
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Malady wrote:
null0trooper wrote:
Malady wrote: It's split into Gen1 and Gen2, but I'm not sure if Spooky goes in Gen1... Or a hypothetical Gen0, because as of Gen1, she's not a Junior High kid...
Does she show up in any stories that take place completely before or after 2006-2011?
No, don't think so. ... How's that change things?
If she only appears in stories from the Gen 1 timeframe, then Gen 1 is where she goes, right?
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
- E. E. Nalley
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
- Sir Lee
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Short of moving the entire wiki to a different host (which is possible, but would be a bit drastic), I don't see real good options. There's a guy who developed a script called "Pseudo Monobook" ( dev.wikia.com/wiki/PseudoMonobook ) which is supposed to add back some Monobook-style features to Oasis. But, since it get rid of the ads, I think it won't be long before Wikia/Fandom stomps on it. Also, I'm not sure if it can be enabled/disabled in a per-user preference basis; I'll need to do some more reading before I decide whether to test it.
(Addendum)
Well, it seems to work. It does not look like Monobook, but it brings back the sidebar and some of the functionality. I don't think you can add it to the wiki by default, it seems more to be an user-preferences thing.
You have to add the line below:
@import url('/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&mode=articles&articles=u:dev:MediaWiki:PseudoMonobook.css&only=styles');
to your personal CSS. You can do it for all Wikia projects by editing your global CSS here:
community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:MyPage/global.css
or just for Whateley Wikia here:
crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.css
Small caveat: it also disables some of the custom styling on the wiki, such as the wallpaper and the top graphic.
- E. E. Nalley
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
- Malady
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But I guess I should, so we get the full story chains in the wiki, right? ... Just get the knowledge in, and cleaning can follow. ... We have the Stub category for a reason.
Actually, what comes after The Best Days of our Lives ?
And we should add that timeline stuff that Elrod posted a while ago... Ah. Here, right in the last page.
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Best Days is causing problems, 'cause "Dated Stories - AY 2006-07" is looking for "Kayda 8 - The Best Days of Our Lives"...
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What should Ptesanwi link to? Should it / she get their own page? Or just redirect to a subsection, like Pejuta#Powers, or "Wakan Tanka"?
- Sir Lee
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- Astrodragon
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Currently it only contains a small portion of the published stories.
Theres lots of other G2 stuff not there, but the list of stories seems to me the most important
I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
- Malady
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Might as well finish Kansas and call Glimpses of the Sun as a continuation of Islands in the Sun.
There, there's now entries for every story in the first page of Gen2 stories if sorted by oldest to newest. ... Now to do the next pages... Later...
- Astrodragon
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Malady wrote: I 'would' update the G2 Story List , if I could figure out how it's sorted on page load... It seems like its sorting by story?
Might as well finish Kansas and call Glimpses of the Sun as a continuation of Islands in the Sun.
There, there's now entries for every story in the first page of Gen2 stories if sorted by oldest to newest. ... Now to do the next pages... Later...
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I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
- Malady
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That's why Silver Ghost and the Loose Cannons are in AY 2007-08? Because they start as freshmen in 2007-2008, presumably?
And if the characters are already at Whateley, the stories are listed according to the year the events happen in?
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So, A Little R&R's location in AY 2006-07 is wrong? Because its events are happening in AY 2007-08 , where Roulette and Steel Ribbon are?
Same with some of the later Kayda stories?
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Gen2 - How are its stories initially sorted? Apparently from Start Date of the story's events?
... Yeah, seems like it, just tested with the Sort function. Gotta date those later Kansas-es and remove that blank line...
Later. Gotta go do a thing.
- Sir Lee
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This name is incorrect as is the definition. Sahar means moon. What the author should have used is Sahir (which is not Arabic but Urdu and means "magician" or "enchanter" not "evil eye". The Arabic version is a name that means "one who stays up late at night" or "one whos stays up caring for a sick person".
Now, I can see ways to incorporate this info to the entry in an unobtrusive way... but the thing is, the poster was anonymous. They might be 100% correct, they might be partially wrong, they might be totally wrong, they might even be a troll. I have no way to tell. And my knowledge of Middle Eastern languages is zero.
So... does anybody know someone who does know Arabic, Urdu and such and could check the claim for correctness? And, if so, possibly to supply the correct spelling for the word in Arabic/Urdu and maybe the IPA pronunciation?
- null0trooper
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Edit: Maybe the correction is coming from Wikipedia , though the page states that "Sahar" is also used in Arabic.
سحر ("sahar") translates to "charm", "magic", "witchcraft", "spell", etc. in Google's translator,
The trouble is that baby name books and their derived websites are close to useless for name origins and meanings, and they all copy off each other.
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- null0trooper
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Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
- Sir Lee
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- Sir Lee
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I started adding stuff that seemed well-suited for the table format (author, main character, other characters, relevant dates, previous/following story...) but now I'm worried that the table is getting too complex. So, I would appreciate suggestions and criticism.
At this point, this is just a test. Please don't add the "storybox" template to other pages until we have a chance to file the rough edges of the thing.
- Malady
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But, if you make the infobox as the whole page or something... Perhaps have a ChapterBox for chapters, and basically make the story page totally out of infoboxes... That ''could'' work?
Or just take the blurb out of the infobox and place it normally on the page?
- E. E. Nalley
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
- Sir Lee
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Note that the infobox as a whole is using the Wikia default formatting. There's room for tweaking (smaller fonts, for instance). I would like the individual items to be closer packed together, for instance -- I think there's an excess of "white space". And I would like to have the blurb to take the full width of the infobox, instead of being constrained to the right of the word "blurb" (which would be moved to the top), but I didn't figure out yet how to do that.
"Having the whole page in the infobox": definitely not. For one thing, it would constrain the page too much. For another, it goes against the whole idea of the infobox, which is give a quick glance at the essential stats of the page without having to dig into the text.
"Moving the blurb into the main page body:" I considered it, but I felt that it didn't really fit the flow of the story writeups. The infobox also allows us to remove from the body some info that we currently insert that also breaks the flow -- such as posting dates.
"Using some other wording instead of 'blurb'": valid point. "Dust jacket" is a possibility, "back cover text" is another. I would appreciate more suggestions.
"Chapter boxes": A possible enhancement for multi-chapter stories -- particularly interesting for interleaving ones, which would afford us the possibility of providing links, say, from "The Second Book of Jobe, Chapter 2" to "No Beast So Fierce" and from that back to "The Second Book of Jobe, Chapter 3" (I may be mistaken about the particular chapter order in that example). But not all stories have chapters, so I prefer to table this discussion for a later date, after we achieve some consensus on the desirability (or not) and particulars of the story box.
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The rest of the storybox is good though.
- null0trooper
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Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
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I will attach the logs as a .txt file here. DO NOT READ FROM THE .TXT!!! It is almost COMPLETELY Indecipherable, and requires this website to properly read. THE TXT IS ATTACHED TO THIS MESSAGE, AND IS ALSO IN THE 'ENJOY CRYSTAL CON' THREAD
Hope everyone enjoyed Crystal Con. The site will stay up for next year and the future beyond that. See everyone next year for Crystal Con 2019.
You can find my stories at Fanfiction.net here .
You can also check out my fanfiction guest riffs at Library of the Dammed
- Cryptic
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Duplexes page has a wonky mimic link that connects to shape shifter.
I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
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As for Duplex, yeah, I noticed it too a few days ago. Thing is, Duplex has a bit of a weird power -- she changes p
- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
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Cryptic wrote: Haven't read the Hank stories yet so nope not volunteering.
Tell you now, the longer you wait, the longer you screw yourself out of good story.
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E. E. Nalley wrote: I have to say I like the box. It's great to be able to recover those blurbs, some of which got some long thought, and visually I think its very professional and in line with That Other Wiki. I think I would change 'blurb' to 'Dust Jacket' maybe? Or Synopsis or something like that. But otherwise, I would like to see it adopted.
Even if they're not accessible via Wayback or Internet Archive, I DO still have them all saved along with all the old site data (including forums and page layouts, etc). It's always been my intent to eventually include the blurbs on the site... most probably by altering how the story headings work: ie
Title
by Name
Story Part
Protagonist: Name .................................................. (Arc) (and) (Character) (Tags)
Original release date ............................................. In Universe Start Date
( Read more tag )
Story body. - dsfgoi sd osdifg sdogfi sdofig sodf goaid goasd fglkam sdflkg asdfgk alfgmoairmg oiarm gaklrmg lakr glkar g armozemgomrg zldkfmgv. gmagm.zsdfg, agaergoarega gaergnmaorgm lfdkg malkdfgm.zdfg moiermgoalgm. rogimrgmlkgmroisgragogna aolrgkmaf dgoigmr erogi erio e ooi mgsgdon glfdbkmsosif asgo g lrgremgoaegoin .
eogrimogi mr. ogreia ogarie. agroim oarig
Vote . .......................... # Reads ...... Last Altered
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Or something like that. I may ultimately have to code a layout php to get the stories to display the way I want them because sadly, most every extension is built around the idea of news or blog articles and not stories.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
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Anyway, I figured a couple improvements to the infobox, as can be seen in the Silent Nacht where I'm testing the concept. Now if I can center text and figure out why the "end date" box is darker...
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- Malady
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'Cause we have Card Trick , and Cardtrick , the latter being a Wanted Page .
- Sir Lee
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Card Trick
This page is about the hero member of the Sioux Falls League. For the member of the Wrecking Crew, see Cardtrick
- Malady
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TTYL!
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- Malady
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EDIT: "Carl (Medawihla)" would be consistent with other Medawihla characters, from the Wanted Pages...
- Malady
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Should Don't Call Me a Pretty be moved to Reinforce: Don't Call Me a Pretty or have the latter as a redirect or something, since that seems to be the full canon title .
And the "Reinforce:" one is causing a redlink from Worm .
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Then there's stories like the ones under the Imp Tag which are titled "Imp 5: ...", and 6, and 7, etc, even in the story page.
We've already got some links for "Head_over_Tail" ...
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And Absinthe 2: The Absinthe of Malice.
Plus, should it be "Absinthe (story)", or should "story" be capitalized, like "Roulette (Story)"?
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I've just returned and am attempting to get the day by day timeline in order again, but I've hit a snag, or rather two snags.
The first one is on "A Little R&R." The first date entry keeps throwing an error with the ref entry. I've tried just about everything I can imagine, and the error won't go away. That's page 2007-08-27. (I haven't put any of the other date entries in yet - they're ready to go, but it doesn't seem reasonable to do it until this is resolved.)
Another thing I noted is that a lot of the stories seem to have stub entries (or maybe real entries) that are not in the sortable table. How is anyone finding them?
- Malady
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What stories are unlisted? You checked their "WhatLinksHere" pages?
If I made them, I might not have added them due to not figuring out how the list coding works...
Or not knowing precisely when the events occurred?
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Should " Siblings & Savages " be a redirect to "Siblings and Savages"?
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And " Humanity First " to "Humanity First!"?
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Malady wrote: Should Don't Call Me a Pretty be moved to Reinforce: Don't Call Me a Pretty or have the latter as a redirect or something, since that seems to be the full canon title .
And the "Reinforce:" one is causing a redlink from Worm .
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Then there's stories like the ones under the Imp Tag which are titled "Imp 5: ...", and 6, and 7, etc, even in the story page.
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And Absinthe 2: The Absinthe of Malice.
Plus, should it be "Absinthe (story)", or should "story" be capitalized, like "Roulette (Story)"?
Tough call. I would prefer leaving out such prefixes, but that's my personal preference, not settled policy, and other editors have different views on that. The view that "if the author put the prefix there, then it's part of the official title" is pretty prevalent. The Jade stories are all listed with the prefixes, for instance.
There are other stories with naming issues that never got settled. For instance, take Fey's first story -- one of the original three (I think) stories that fired up the Whateley universe. It's listed as "Fey: Mom, I Don't Feel So Good," but I disagree that this is the appropriate name of the story -- to my view, the story is title simply "Fey", and "Mom, I Don't Feel So Good" is the title of the first chapter, not the whole story. There are other "subtitles" further down which have the same level of highlighting as "Mom, I Don't Feel So Good".
Mind you, one of the reasons we never even discussed changing those things in the past was that everybody was afraid that (a) it would involve a lot of mind-numbing work that could very well be directed to adding new stuff, and (b) it might break stuff up. Since then, we learned a lot (use redirects to avoid breakage, use bots to do the heavy lifting on such renaming), so we now could do it relatively quickly. Whether we should change those titles is a whole different matter.
I don't feel comfortable taking this sort of decision. Not even by means of a sort of referendum. The people best suited to settle such a question -- namely if prefixes should be considered part of the title -- are the ones who actually wrote the stories. Not all of them are available, but I think that (as long as we don't change the actual stories) the currently available TINCC could give a Word of God on how the stories should be listed and indexed.
As for (story) being capitalized, I feel comfortable enough to rule on that. Since it's not actually part of the title, there's no good reason why (story) should be capitalized. If it is, it's a typo. I'll look into Roulette...
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Sure. Those are just spelling variants, and in both cases the existing page has the correct, canonical spelling. This is one of the major uses of redirects. I'll sometimes create a redirect for a likely spelling variant even if there isn't currently any page linking to that variant. Or, after using the bot to fix the original links so they target the correct page, I'll leave the redirect up.Malady wrote: Should " Siblings & Savages " be a redirect to "Siblings and Savages"?
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And " Humanity First " to "Humanity First!"?
Note: I only leave up unused redirects for legitimate spelling variants (such as Reverend England/Reverend Englund), not for outright misspellings. However, even in the case of misspellings, a redirect is useful as a stopgap measure -- and it helps the bot when we go crawling to fix the misspelled links. Redirects have a funny effect: if you let the editor autocomplete a link, it will give you the target name even if it's quite different from what you typed. Well, that's true for the code editor, anyway -- I don't use the WYSIWYG editor.
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Myself, I prefer using a programmer's editor for that. There are a bunch of excellent ones available gratis, like Notepad++ (And, if you happen to like the "modern"-style apps for Windows 10 -- I don't -- there's a product named NotepadPro that's currently free -- it should return to regular pricing in a few days).
Anyway... I think I'll have to figure out some way to use AutoWikiBrowser to go through all recent edits and fix those pesky curly quotes. It shouldn't be TOO hard... and it's a long weekend, so I should be able to find the time.
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I'll see what I can do about getting them into the sortable index as I come to them.
Xaltatun
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Xaltatun
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XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: Actually, I'm on a Mac using TextEdit. I need to ponder whether turning smart quotes off in the preferences is worth having to change the preferences depending on what I'm doing. I was using Aquamacs (a visual version of Emacs), but the last update broke something, snd most of the macros I was using won't install any more.
Xaltatun
If your using TextEdit unless you want formatting it’s probably best to View as Plain Text, that will convert the text to something closer to what poorly written, American centric webpages expect (i.e ASCII).
The Whateley Site handles Unicode fine, but you need to remember when copy and pasting from any word processing product that the Rich Text to HTML converters built into the Copy Paste for these programs spews junk HTML like a cruise ship in a hurricane, so cleaning the HTML in a text editor is polite.
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The story I'm working on now is Absinthe. I'll probably be posting a lot of new pages later today.
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Briefly, I tried to filter for Xalt's contributions. It worked -- but gave me EVERYTHING he ever edited, even from years ago. Worse, if he worked in a page multiple times, it presented me that page multiple times too. I have to find a better way...
So... while I think I caught *most* of the pages with issues, a few might have slipped.
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Sir Lee wrote: OK. I tested AutoWikiBrowser to fix the curly quotes issue, and it works, sort of -- I fixed a whole bunch of pages, but I need to find a better way to filter the pages, because, well... currently it is drowning me in just too many pages, and I had to quit before the heat death of the universe, or dinner, whatever came first.
Briefly, I tried to filter for Xalt's contributions. It worked -- but gave me EVERYTHING he ever edited, even from years ago. Worse, if he worked in a page multiple times, it presented me that page multiple times too. I have to find a better way...
So... while I think I caught *most* of the pages with issues, a few might have slipped.
As far as I'm aware, the only place where smart quotes vs straight quotes matters is inside tags. In running text it simply doesn't matter, and I prefer smart quotes. It looks better. Since most of the pqges, in fact work, there is no issue.
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1. Parameters such as names for <rel> tags (<rel name="...">
2. Bold and italic.
And I generally agree with you, I don't have an issue with curly quotes in body text, and if I could fix only the place where it affects wikisyntax, I would. But it's not really easy to distinguish between those in AutoWikiBrowser -- I can either let it "fix" the entire page, or nothing. So I look at each page, and if none of the curly quotes break wiki syntax, I hit "skip." If there's one such case, I hit "go," and it changes *all* curly quotes.
Main issue is really filtering. If I can find a way to restrict the filtering to a much lesser number of pages, I could do more hand-tweaking instead of relying on AWB's less subtle find-and-replace.
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EDIT: figured it out. There are actually two things that AWB keeps detecting that whoever programmed it seems to think are no-nos (probably due to Wikipedia style guidelines):
1. Starting the page with a subheading right on top, with no introductory text.
2. Having the "See also" section after the "References" section.
I don't think that either one is reason to get one's nose out of joint. I personally might take more care in the future to avoid those situations, but I won't bother to go into an edit spree to "fix" such minor stylistic issues, much less devise (heh) a way to "fix" those via AWB.
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Sir Lee wrote: Figured out better the filtering for AWB, squashed a bunch more typos. Looking into something AWB says it's... well, not exactly an error, but... discouraged? Anyway, I'll research it a bit to figure out if it's worth changing.
EDIT: figured it out. There are actually two things that AWB keeps detecting that whoever programmed it seems to think are no-nos (probably due to Wikipedia style guidelines):
1. Starting the page with a subheading right on top, with no introductory text.
2. Having the "See also" section after the "References" section.
I don't think that either one is reason to get one's nose out of joint. I personally might take more care in the future to avoid those situations, but I won't bother to go into an edit spree to "fix" such minor stylistic issues, much less devise (heh) a way to "fix" those via AWB.
The timeline pages have that issue. I'll change my default format to fix it them, although it'll add a bit of work since I have to say something at the front a bit more interesting than 'duh...". Is there a default timeline page?
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crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Sample_Date_Page
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Maybe yeah, noting what day of the week it is, at the top, and if it's a special holiday or something.
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IIRC, we've never used dashes before, but I assume the latter is the one we should use?
Since that's what the story uses?
whateleyacademy.net/index.php/original-t...sister-blood-brother
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Also, I guess "Marty" should be made into a disambig between all the different possible ones, like Mega-Girl, Photech (Marty Prescot), and Silver Linings' "Morning with Marty" host, Marty Prescott...
Currently Marty is linked from Curse of the Dragon Queen's , name for a dead Witchknight.
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On the first: actual story usage always wins, unless the author tells us otherwise. (Sometimes there are spelling variants, particularly in names. For those, we put the entry on the predominant/canonical/Word of God variant, and put a redirect in the alternate).
On "Marty": actually, since it's a single link, the best option (which I just did, by the way) is to edit the original page to make the link more specific. Turned out that there were a few other characters there linked just by first name, and I went and changed them too.
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Sir Lee wrote: Paging the author, paging the author... Morpheus, we need a ruling here.
He's busy...
Undoing knots.

Don't Drick and Drive.
- Malady
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Should those pages be moved to ones with something in parentheses? Like how we have "Craig (Boston PD SWAT)"?
- Sir Lee
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Edit: and done!
- XaltatunOfAcheron
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Sir Lee wrote: Paging the author, paging the author... Morpheus, we need a ruling here.
Well, I'm simply going to go with the title the way it's in the story. If Morpheus wants it the other way, we can alias it. That leaves one of the Imp stories out in the cold, though, since it fits between Imp 4 and Imp 5, and doesn't have a number.
So, to keep on with Morpheus stories in publication order, Imp 4 is up next. That leaves the orphan as Imp 4A, I suspect.
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It's one of those things that are not really wrong per se -- MediaWiki allows it -- but I have seen mentions that it is discouraged. There are lots of those "discouraged" things, which does not mean that we should adopt those are hard rules blindly, but we should at least look into the reasons why such practice is discouraged.
In this particular case, I think I figured out the reason: it makes it harder to link to that subheading -- because the internal ID (the thing that goes after the # in a link address) is not what one would expect it to be.
So, maybe we should think of other ways to add the outbound links without making it harder for inbound links to work?
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Sir Lee wrote: In this particular case, I think I figured out the reason: it makes it harder to link to that subheading -- because the internal ID (the thing that goes after the # in a link address) is not what one would expect it to be.
How do the links change?
A Glow in the Darkness#2007-08-12 (Heading is a link), and A Glow in the Darkness#2007-08-16 (Heading is not a link), both seem to follow the same format...
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Malady wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: In this particular case, I think I figured out the reason: it makes it harder to link to that subheading -- because the internal ID (the thing that goes after the # in a link address) is not what one would expect it to be.
How do the links change?
A Glow in the Darkness#2007-08-12 (Heading is a link), and A Glow in the Darkness#2007-08-16 (Heading is not a link), both seem to follow the same format...
The dates in parts 2 and 3 don't have the link brackets. I've fixed them. I'm going to check Imp 4 next.
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XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:
Malady wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: In this particular case, I think I figured out the reason: it makes it harder to link to that subheading -- because the internal ID (the thing that goes after the # in a link address) is not what one would expect it to be.
How do the links change?
A Glow in the Darkness#2007-08-12 (Heading is a link), and A Glow in the Darkness#2007-08-16 (Heading is not a link), both seem to follow the same format...
The dates in parts 2 and 3 don't have the link brackets. I've fixed them. I'm going to check Imp 4 next.
It doesn't look like it needs the link brackets - it'll use any heading as the link target, regardless of how deep it is. The brackets are still useful to link back to the timeline page, though.
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==2007-10-28== is fine, it can be found by adding #2007-10-28 to the page name/address.
It may be the case that I was relying in outdated info (it's possible that an older release of MediaWiki had trouble with such links but it's no longer the case), or it may be the case that it was never a problem and I was completely wrong on the reasons why I have seen mentions of this as a discouraged practice. Nevertheless, Malady is correct, it works.
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Should we delete the page for now, since there's no info, or just change it so it's a date page without any information, but just linking to the previous and following days, and its month?
The link to the previous day in the code, would need fixing then...
'''Tuesday, February 27, 2007'''
==References==
{{reflist}}
==See Also==
*[[2007-02|February Calendar]]
*[[2007-02-26|Previous Day]]
*[[2007-02-28|Following Day]]
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Malady wrote: 2007-02-27 has no stories contributing info, and is a redirect back to 2007-02...
Should we delete the page for now, since there's no info, or just change it so it's a date page without any information, but just linking to the previous and following days, and its month?
The link to the previous day in the code, would need fixing then...
'''Tuesday, February 27, 2007''' ==References== {{reflist}} ==See Also== *[[2007-02|February Calendar]] *[[2007-02-26|Previous Day]] *[[2007-02-28|Following Day]]
I'd say leave it as blank (maybe with a "this space intentionally left blank" note.)
What happens if a non-administrator tries to create a page with the same name as a deleted page?
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Malady wrote: Should we delete the page for now, since there's no info, or just change it so it's a date page without any information, but just linking to the previous and following days, and its month?
There have been times when I've been looking for a specific scene without remembering the exact story, and tried searching day by day. Most people would not expect to call up the whole month when clicking on "Previous Day".
For "blank days", links to the stories that span that time frame would be nice even if there's nothing written up on the stories for that day. Stories with large gaps (weeks, years) would call for a forward text link instead of creating dozens, hundreds, or thousands of "nothing interesting here" pages.
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
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Clifford Maxwell (Midnight) , and Jack Duncan (Gizmo)
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@Null - Make a page on the wiki showing your idea, or post some code here, and if I agree, I'll follow your lead.
There are flashback dates on "The Secret of the Forger's List" and "Wednesday Morning, 5AM", so there's a starting point...
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On blank timeline pages: for the main timelines, I don't see any major problem with creating such a page. It is mostly a placeholder, yes, but it will also make it easier to browse a period day-by-day. They probably should be tagged with the "stub" template, however. A line to the tune of "This page intentionally left blank" or "The characters were going around in their day-to-day lives when suddenly, nothing important happened" might make things less confusing for the visitor.
To play Devil's Advocate... an alternative way to check the timeline day-by-day would be to check the monthly index and opening the pages in another browser tab (easy on a PC, not so convenient on a phone/tablet). If the blank pages don't exist, the visitor can just skip over the redlinked pages.
So... creating stub pages is very helpful in one way to navigate, slightly annoying in the other way to navigate. I would suggest not creating long stretches of blank pages. How long is "too long?" Use your own judgment. One or two is fine, twenty is definitely out. Context matters. A month that has just a few pages should not be "filled up" with blank pages; but another one that is almost complete except for a five-day stretch might be worth filling up with stubs.
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Also, the main timeline page is getting ugly. Suggestions for making it prettier and easer to read would be welcome. Maybe like the table in front of the sortable story tables?
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I don't thinking they're a member of the forums, 'cause I can't find a Member by that name...
I'm feeling tired, so just gonna say:
* "Bronze Lady" needs a lot of cleanup / linking, and categories.
* "Active Track Training" needs categories, and cross-linking with other articles.
* "Dead Oak Hot Tub Grotto" is lacking in links going to and from.
* "Sphere" is missing sections,
* Chibi Evil needs sections too?
We / I should probably make their Talk Page, and show them the Sample Pages, or something? TTYL.
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Malady wrote: Okay, so, IMaddMan, is a sorta new editor, who made a few pages, that don't follow our typical format much.
I don't thinking they're a member of the forums, 'cause I can't find a Member by that name...
I'm feeling tired, so just gonna say:
* "Bronze Lady" needs a lot of cleanup / linking, and categories.
* "Active Track Training" needs categories, and cross-linking with other articles.
* "Dead Oak Hot Tub Grotto" is lacking in links going to and from.
* "Sphere" is missing sections,
* Chibi Evil needs sections too?
We / I should probably make their Talk Page, and show them the Sample Pages, or something? TTYL.
"Chibi Evil" should not be a page. She's Eldrich's sister and a well-known member of Team Awesome.
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And the page is actually named "Miranda Nichole Mahren", not "Chibi Evil." Malady was just going for humorous.
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- null0trooper
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Malady wrote: "Winifred von Abendritter" as a redirect to "Eisenmädel I"? Even though it's only use is in "The Big Apple comes with Calamari"?
Winifred von Abendritter née Manning was the first Eisenmädel (or Eisenmädel I to Erica's Eisenmädel II), per "Eisenmädel 1: Summer of My German Heritage"
"Vater wished for me to be the best of the best, but he had no idea how to train a woman in the ways of the schattenkriege. He kept extensive records, however. Every time he fought, he had pictures and video footage, debriefing reports and first-hand accounts, all to reconstruct just how he'd lost." The woman fixed his wife with an electric stare. "And of them all, his greatest collection was of you, Winifred Manning, the famed Eisenmädel."
Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.
WhatIF Stories: Buy the Book
Discussion Thread
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In this case, I would suggest doing the following:
1. Creating her page as "Winifred von Abendritter"
2. Adding a hatnote to "Eisenmädel" explaining that the page is about the second Eisenmädel, the one active starting 2016. For the origina Eisenmädel, see...
3. (Possibly, but not really necessarily): create a redirect from "Eisenmadel I" to "Winifred" and from "Eisenmadel II" to "Eisenmadel"
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Apparently "?" is a wanted page... Is that a mistake?
crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/%3F
- XaltatunOfAcheron
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Malady wrote: On mobile, so I can't edit.
Apparently "?" is a wanted page... Is that a mistake?
crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/%3F
Oops.
I was using that because I didn't remember the actual code name for someone, and then never got back to do the research and fix it.
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So, "Team Awesome" or "Team Awesome!"?
The former has 4 links, the latter has 3.
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So, I guess you guys are happy about my gap pages:
* 1975-12-18
* 1975-12-19
Gonna make a page for " 1995-03 " as my idea on what flashback-only months could be like.
Oh... " 1975-12 " is a thing... Hmm... Still gonna make my version in 1995-03, and then you can decide which is better.
Capping off the ends of date sequences like in 1975 and 1995 isn't a priority, though...
And dunno what to put in "See Also", either. TTYL!