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Sir Lee wrote: It might work. Do you want to submit a proposal?

mittfh wrote: Meanwhile this anonymously added page has been added - do we know for sure all 73 characters are due to appear in the first two terms of AY 2007-08 and will be featured? Some sources would have helped - especially considering Josie Gillman's likely to be on a bus unless/until Drunkfu returns to the fold.

If the author of that page is reading this, this thread's an appropriate place to discuss their research so we can work on getting something more Wiki-friendly and verifiable.

elrodw wrote: TWEEEEEEET
(throws yellow flag sporting a drawing of a male bovine and a heap of steaming meadow muffins ....)

Excess Bullshit in the Wiki Entry.
15 yard penalty, loss of down!

Astrodragon wrote: Hmm, is it worth doing a separate list labelled 'Elrod's Chew Toys'?

Astrodragon wrote: Hmm, is it worth doing a separate list labelled 'Elrod's Chew Toys'?

lighttech wrote: ohh well I had hoped you at least keep it up the week as it was posted on a weekend and maybe the person who did can only get back to it on such dates?

then add the "talk" note?

it took me near a month of reading and using the WA wiki till I even really noticed the thing? Perhaps the poster is in the same boat?

I sure hope this dose not dissuade someone who tired to help?


on another note can someone who knows that wiki better grab up all that info and clean it up so that maybe we can have links to other great fan fics off the WA page?

lighttech wrote:

DanZilla wrote: Perhaps we should see if allowing for a fanfiction category for stories should be something that people Could and would contribute to... not for their characters and info but just for the stories themselves... and always defaulting to fan-fiction hosted on whateleyacademy.net if more than one version is hosted on different sites. Not that I don't want to see people directed to other sites but since this is the home of the Whateley Academy canon stories it should have preference in the wiki.

I could go for this IF? fan fic was not so hard to get posted here in its complete form

As I know you can post 10k sections one at a time in the fan fic section----but getting a fan fic listed here, involves JUMPING thorough BIG hoops.

and some of those are

editing--- some of us can't find a good editor that has time...and that includes me.

time --some of us want to spend time....writing, not editing every little thing?

Sir Lee wrote: (Please, Xaltatun, come back! We miss you!)

lighttech wrote: As I know you can post 10k sections one at a time in the fan fic section----but getting a fan fic listed here, involves JUMPING thorough BIG hoops.

and some of those are

editing--- some of us can't find a good editor that has time...and that includes me.

time --some of us want to spend time....writing, not editing every little thing?

Decide between a standard page layout or a blank page. The standard layout provides image and video placeholders as well as section headings. The preload contents for the "Standard layout" are stored at MediaWiki:Createpage-with-video on your wikia and can be edited by local admins.

elrodw wrote: has anyone run the statistics lately?

Stories:                    225	
Episodes:                   413
Words:                9,017,959	
Words to 10 million:    982,041

Gen 0 Words:             52,137
Gen 1 Words:          8,633,748
Gen 2 Words:            223,142
Unclassified Words:     108,932

Author combinations:         49
Unique first authorss:       25
All unique authors:          32

mittfh wrote: There's now yet another page in the ever-expanding number of pages containing lists of Canon Stories: Dated Stories - Generation Zero

As Gen 0 is likely to be expanded on in future, I thought it might be a good idea - besides which, as well as A Good Man, we've also got Baker's Dozen, The Island of Dr. DNA and The Backside of Paradise set in Gen 0 (so trimming the top end of the table on the G1 Y1 page).

mittfh wrote: Now to rename the links pointing to the stories on that page before Sir Lee deletes the redirect

Sir Lee wrote: ...nearing the "do-or-forget-about-it" deadline for upgrading machines to Windows 10...

Malady wrote: @Sir Lee - You know those empty date pages? Is there some automated thing you could do, like find all the inbound links and filling the pages with the paragraphs that are right after the links?

Or is that either impossible, or a bad idea??

Malady wrote: Could such a link checking based idea at least be applied to fill the list of appearances for each character? Like the story list in the Phase article?

Malady wrote: Do we have almost an article for every Gen1 student?? 'Cause IIRC, there's ~500-600 students, and we have around that number of Gen1 student articles?

Sir Lee wrote:

Malady wrote: @Sir Lee - You know those empty date pages? Is there some automated thing you could do, like find all the inbound links and filling the pages with the paragraphs that are right after the links?

Or is that either impossible, or a bad idea??

Hmm. Interesting question. I'll have to look into the AutoWikiBrowser docs to see if there's any practical way to do it.
Let me think... even if it has to be applied manually, some sort of basic structure that could help? Like a template that generates a "What Links Here" list? Have to do more research.

Sir Lee wrote:

Malady wrote: Could such a link checking based idea at least be applied to fill the list of appearances for each character? Like the story list in the Phase article?

That would probably be harder, because it would have to distinguish between story pages and other pages. I'm not sure if it's practical -- it would probably require custom programming.

Sir Lee wrote:

Malady wrote: Do we have almost an article for every Gen1 student?? 'Cause IIRC, there's ~500-600 students, and we have around that number of Gen1 student articles?

I think we are nearly complete as far as mentioned students go, yes. I would have to check the "wanted pages" list to see if there are any mentioned-but-still-pageless students. And there might be still a few students that haven't been mentioned anywhere.

Sir Lee wrote: There are also probably still a few students with *more* than one page, in that they have been mentioned once by codename and another time by name and the association between both has not been made. ElrodW did some cleanup work by explicitly mentioning the association in story, but some of those reveals might not made into the Wiki yet.

And probably pretty soon we will have to worry about a whole batch of new students, as soon as the timeline advances into September...

Malady wrote: Well, you could manually copy-paste the Special:WhatLinksHere, for each page... In case you forgot about that...

Malady wrote: Oh, you can't just check if it's in the Stories Category, then?

Malady wrote: Well, we now have 938 wanted pages, some of those are templates, like Template:X1 , at least ~100, I'd assume are dates, some are links that could be folded into others, like "All the King's Horses...", which I just folded into "All the King's Horses", and the rest are the other things we want.

Also, some dates aren't pure numbers, like May 14, 2007‏‎ instead of 2007-05-14.

Malady wrote: *nods*, Gonna take a look around...

Malady wrote: ... What am I doing?? ... Should we just add every student that's not in a Powers category into Unknown Powers?

EDIT: And everyone with a note of "(real name unknown)", or some variant, into the Unknown Real Name Category?

Valentine wrote:

Malady wrote: ... What am I doing?? ... Should we just add every student that's not in a Powers category into Unknown Powers?

EDIT: And everyone with a note of "(real name unknown)", or some variant, into the Unknown Real Name Category?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adding people with known powers is fine, but the other is a bit silly. A lot of those characters are just name drops. Someone saw them as they entered a building, or said "Hi" as they walked by. In some cases we know they live in a specific Cottage because that is where they were, but in others all we have is a name.

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote:

Malady wrote: ... What am I doing?? ... Should we just add every student that's not in a Powers category into Unknown Powers?

EDIT: And everyone with a note of "(real name unknown)", or some variant, into the Unknown Real Name Category?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... Are... you referencing something? ... If not, what's wrong with my suggestion?

EDIT:

Adding people with known powers is fine, but the other is a bit silly. A lot of those characters are just name drops. Someone saw them as they entered a building, or said "Hi" as they walked by. In some cases we know they live in a specific Cottage because that is where they were, but in others all we have is a name.

Ah. Thank you for explaining.

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There has been no cottage and no year of any cottage that's been filled to capacity, right? So we can't deduce the cottage of those who aren't in any cottage through process of elimination?

We also don't know enough of the student population's power sets to say that certain people have to be a certain power type 'else the population counts of users of each power is out of wack?

Malady wrote: I can't find any info on Gnostisophism. Can anyone else?

Whateley Wiki page: crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Gnostisophism?redirect=no

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Is redirecting things back to the page they link from, in any way a good idea, if they're only linked from one location, or something, like Catherine Cody and Mr. Cody, who are only linked from the Kodiak page?

Malady wrote: Hmm... We have 140 students in the Class of 2010 Category. How many more can there be??

DanZilla wrote:

Malady wrote: Hmm... We have 140 students in the Class of 2010 Category. How many more can there be??

Are you assuming that all students who enter Whateley will stay there all four years? It can be assumed that the majority will... BUT there are always the fatalities, the ones who maybe drop out of school for various reasons on their own volition or that of outside forces and those who may not qualify for continued scholarship due to learning enough about their powers to not need to continue to attend.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Always remember, Gen 2 was setup with meticulous records and strict management of students and characters because, well, Gen 1 wasn't.

Malady wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Always remember, Gen 2 was setup with meticulous records and strict management of students and characters because, well, Gen 1 wasn't.

Yes. Thanks for bringing that up, for those who are reading in the future.

In this case, the Wiki is sort of being those meticulous records for Gen1. ... There was that project to generate a spreadsheet for Gen1, using the Gen2 sheet provided by ElrodW, as a basis... Given what I'm doing with the Wiki, noting those who have unknown powers, mainly, any such sheet should be easier to make?

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Malady wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Always remember, Gen 2 was setup with meticulous records and strict management of students and characters because, well, Gen 1 wasn't.

Yes. Thanks for bringing that up, for those who are reading in the future.

In this case, the Wiki is sort of being those meticulous records for Gen1. ... There was that project to generate a spreadsheet for Gen1, using the Gen2 sheet provided by ElrodW, as a basis... Given what I'm doing with the Wiki, noting those who have unknown powers, mainly, any such sheet should be easier to make?

And I can assure you, the current authors are very appreciative and refer to the Wiki compulsively.

I was more warning you to not expect strict attention to the "rules and guidelines" for Gen 1 students. Without the help of the original story writers, it might prove near impossible to sort it all out "authoritatively".

Malady wrote: Is redirecting things back to the page they link from, in any way a good idea, if they're only linked from one location, or something, like Catherine Cody and Mr. Cody, who are only linked from the Kodiak page?

Malady wrote: Also, should we link to Categories? 'Cause Cyberkitty wants Were and Cyberpath pages, but we have Were and Technopath Categories, with descriptions... But then again, Exemplar has both Category and Article versions... Perhaps make and redirect the pages into the categories for now?

Malady wrote: Then again, we're at 900 899 wanted pages. Leaving room for a few more wanted pages to stay, even as others are made...

Valentine wrote: I have a spreadsheet for the 2006-07 that has a list of all the students, by Codename, realname, Cottage, Class, and a little note about them.

The notes are not super informative, but generally help find them or why they are listed.

Valentine wrote: Now some of these names have Codenames but no known realname, and vice-versa. 214 students with a Codename, but no real name. And less than 100 with a real name and no known Codename.

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote: I have a spreadsheet for the 2006-07 that has a list of all the students, by Codename, realname, Cottage, Class, and a little note about them.

The notes are not super informative, but generally help find them or why they are listed.

That's nice to know.

Valentine wrote: Now some of these names have Codenames but no known realname, and vice-versa. 214 students with a Codename, but no real name. And less than 100 with a real name and no known Codename.

Well, the latter are easily detectable, 'cause they aren't listed by codename. For the former, could you add the missing ones to the Unknown_Real_Name Category? I've got 91 of them, but right now, atm, I'm trying to pin down the non-Seniors by going through the Insanity Prereq WhatLinksHere for students that went to the dance and therefore aren't seniors. Already went through Devil's Dance.

Why are the non-dancers Seniors? I guess they were gathered to discuss the Legacy and trapped? (Edit: Nope. There's a Senior’s Bash. That's why they're not at the dance and participating in the action. Edit2: And the Bash has been mentioned nowhere in the Wiki... Where should I mention it??) ... Is there a Dark Legacy every year? If so, what's 2006-2007's?

Edit3: And there's only 9 students I can confirm as not-seniors with that method... Not done...

Valentine wrote: Not everyone that wasn't a Senior went to the Dance. The Bad Seeds, except for Thrasher, didn't go, Gemonacer didn't go. It's also possible that a Senior went because they liked that party better.

elrodw wrote: INot sure if we're going to present this to the wiki in toto or as the students are revealed.

Malady wrote: Well, now I've gone through all the students and catalogued them by how much and how many of their names we know.

I've been thinking, how about sorting the students whose cottages we don't know, into girls and boys or something, so we can pin them down that little bit more?

The category names would get a bit long, perhaps... Maybe "Male Student", "Female Student", "Unknown Gender Student", and have the general Student category just encompass those three? ... Would sorting by sexes instead of gender be in any way more useful?

Well, until I get a response, I"m gonna be making dates and stuff?

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@Valentine - Perhaps posting your spreadsheet, or sending it to me or someone to host, might be useful? ... Or not, if there's no sorting method that's not already been applied?

Valentine wrote:

Malady wrote: Well, now I've gone through all the students and catalogued them by how much and how many of their names we know.

I've been thinking, how about sorting the students whose cottages we don't know, into girls and boys or something, so we can pin them down that little bit more?

The category names would get a bit long, perhaps... Maybe "Male Student", "Female Student", "Unknown Gender Student", and have the general Student category just encompass those three? ... Would sorting by sexes instead of gender be in any way more useful

The problem with sorting students by sex/gender is that you don't have the Male/Female/Unknown. You also have Vamp, Phase, Reach, Chimera(?), Jimmy T., Generator, Mega-Girl, and others. (OK Generator and Mega-Girl are girls, or at least on their way to being girls.)

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote: The problem with sorting students by sex/gender is that you don't have the Male/Female/Unknown. You also have Vamp, Phase, Reach, Chimera(?), Jimmy T., Generator, Mega-Girl, and others. (OK Generator and Mega-Girl are girls, or at least on their way to being girls.)

Well, the point is to say that "We might not know what cottage this student is in, but as they are ________ we can say that they're (not) in Whitman and Dickinson / Twain and Emerson"

I guess "Not Whitman or Dickinson Cottage" and "Not Twain or Emerson Cottage" are short enough to use? ... And most of the Cottage Unknowns are easily confirmed as not in Hawthorne or Poe...

So, "Whitman or Dickinson Cottage" and "Twain or Emerson Cottage" might be good categories...

No, then it's sort of useless it's just saying guy/girl, which is either unknown, or easily determined from the name...

elrodw wrote:

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote: The problem with sorting students by sex/gender is that you don't have the Male/Female/Unknown. You also have Vamp, Phase, Reach, Chimera(?), Jimmy T., Generator, Mega-Girl, and others. (OK Generator and Mega-Girl are girls, or at least on their way to being girls.)

Well, the point is to say that "We might not know what cottage this student is in, but as they are ________ we can say that they're (not) in Whitman and Dickinson / Twain and Emerson"

I guess "Not Whitman or Dickinson Cottage" and "Not Twain or Emerson Cottage" are short enough to use? ... And most of the Cottage Unknowns are easily confirmed as not in Hawthorne or Poe...

So, "Whitman or Dickinson Cottage" and "Twain or Emerson Cottage" might be good categories...

No, then it's sort of useless it's just saying guy/girl, which is either unknown, or easily determined from the name...

In Gen 2, we use the following:
M, F, MtF, FtM, C (for complex, e.g. shifter, hermaphrodite, etc)

That type of scheme might help

elrodw wrote: In Gen 2, we use the following:
M, F, MtF, FtM, C (for complex, e.g. shifter, hermaphrodite, etc)

That type of scheme might help

NeoMagus wrote:

elrodw wrote: In Gen 2, we use the following:
M, F, MtF, FtM, C (for complex, e.g. shifter, hermaphrodite, etc)

That type of scheme might help

Pretty sure "C" was originally intended to mean "complicated" rather than complex, but either way works.

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

NeoMagus wrote:

elrodw wrote: In Gen 2, we use the following:
M, F, MtF, FtM, C (for complex, e.g. shifter, hermaphrodite, etc)

That type of scheme might help

Pretty sure "C" was originally intended to mean "complicated" rather than complex, but either way works.

I'm sure that there are many students with an imaginary component to their gender.

My guardian, a widow with two grown up children who lived in Boston and New York, was called Mrs Waterford, though she insisted I call her Agnes

Malady wrote: Should we add people to the Indexes, even though they're apparently getting really big? 'Cause there are some people that aren't listed there, like most of the Gen2 set?

Malady wrote: Mainly 'cause I'm looking through the Orphaned Pages... And noticed some People that are Orphaned, liked Anne Clearlake .

But, they've got categories, and are searchable, so they can be found if needed.

Malady wrote: ... Are the Disappeared supposed to be Deceased? Like Roberta Jennings? Personally, I'd say that they're not Deceased until said in-story?

Domoviye wrote: I made a page for the side character Shisa.
I think I did everything properly, including some links, but if someone with more experience could look it over for me, I'd appreciate it.

Malady wrote: ... Just looked at Domoviye's edit with the revision analysis feature and there was a thing that was

"Something something tell..." Nice Work!

And then I clicked it, and it turned into "Thank you for telling Domoviye Nice Work!"

... What did I just do???!???

Pempelune wrote: Uh, there is two characters with the same codename? Ugh, that's gonna cause some problems.

Pempelune wrote: Uh, there is two characters with the same codename? Ugh, that's gonna cause some problems.

elrodw wrote: Just wondering - is there a goal to get all the story summaries or synopses or writeups up to date and consistent?

Cryptic wrote: I have a Cyber-tribe entry written up, I just don't remember how to add a new page.

jmhyp wrote: The entry for Knockoff needs updating. It states that Knockoff's transgender status was left off her application to Whateley but There's no Place Like Poe shows she ended up in Poe. So something's isn't correct there.

Speaking of the wiki, why isn't there a link to it in, say, offsite links?

Valentine wrote:

jmhyp wrote: The entry for Knockoff needs updating. It states that Knockoff's transgender status was left off her application to Whateley but There's no Place Like Poe shows she ended up in Poe. So something's isn't correct there.

Speaking of the wiki, why isn't there a link to it in, say, offsite links?

While her journey to Whateley hasn't been told. She did leave her TG status off her application.

possible story happenings [ Click to expand ] [ Click to hide ]

Likely Wildhammer, who knew about the status, either saw the application, or otherwise found out and talked to her and got her to admit to her status and was placed in Poe.

The WIKI link is under WA Universe.