Question The Bad Ideas thread

What do the subreddit and twitter feed do when some unwitting hero actually takes up the name Florida Man ?

Cryptic wrote: I was stumped for a power set idea and went trolling Deviant Art and found this picture I'm Sorry and then hopped over to the Powers page on the WU Wiki and found on the Entities page this:

Monstrous
Unlike "corporeal", this type inhabits the body of a living creature and fills it with magical power, strengthening it, granting new abilities, and gradually warping the creature into a monstrous parody of the original creature. Killing the body dissipates the entity.

And things clicked. The character summons and shoves a spirit into a target biological and creates a monster. I call the character Bastard Jr. My problem is I want to restrict this potential power house some, and that's where my Muse abandons the process, mostly cause she wants me to put the char in at full power.

So suggestions?

Mind linking her to her creations might make for a interesting array of possible limitations as much as it would add to her strength. For example She could control the creations but the more she makes the lower her IQ drops. And a few of them have bin captured alive leaving her a bit on the dim side of things.

Cryptic wrote: And Kettle what's up with the blank post?

It didn't start out blank, but the image I linked to was disabled by the source, probably because the idea was just that bad. Here's another copy:

What's the big thing east of Africa supposed to be? Lemuria? And, anyway, it's just a map with the continents somewhat shuffled around... what's the idea supposed to be?

Sir Lee wrote: What's the big thing east of Africa supposed to be? Lemuria? And, anyway, it's just a map with the continents somewhat shuffled around... what's the idea supposed to be?

I think that's Greenland. The shape isn't right, but nothing else matches Greenland either; probably a projection issue. But that's not the point. What is the bad idea supposed to be? A villain's agenda. Remaking the world not into their own image, but the image of a giant chicken.

It could be Antarctica

Sir Lee wrote: What's the big thing east of Africa supposed to be? Lemuria? And, anyway, it's just a map with the continents somewhat shuffled around... what's the idea supposed to be?

East of Africa is Antarctica, west of Africa is Greenland.

Look at the whole picture, and "connect the dots." Don't worry you can't foul this up.

No, that's definitely not Antarctica. It's an upside down Greenland by way of what I suspect to be an equirectangular projection map. The bits of land west of Africa are those islands that normally live in the north part of Canada just west of Greenland, also distorted by said equirectangular projection and rotated maybe 120 degrees or so clockwise.

Kettlekorn wrote: No, that's definitely not Antarctica. It's an upside down Greenland by way of what I suspect to be an equirectangular projection map. The bits of land west of Africa are those islands that normally live in the north part of Canada just west of Greenland, also distorted by said equirectangular projection and rotated maybe 120 degrees or so clockwise.

So the used perhaps the absolutely worst map projection for Greenland, distorting it's size and shape? That makes the picture a really bad idea.

Well, I don't think they were picking projections on a per-landmass basis. I think they just grabbed the first world map they found, which happened to be equirectangular, and chopped it up. Sloppiness such as this is common among ambitionless worms who only care about making jokes instead of trying to actually change the world. I'd have used a Dymaxion map for the initial shape harvesting, and my priority on layout would be to ensure that the shape is recognizable from space. Flat projections might distort it, but that's fine; the view from space is what matters. Obviously.

My favorite map projection is the Hammer Retroazimuthal projection. But that's probably not the best choice for a chop job like this one.



Don't look at me like that. I didn't go looking for a favorite map projection - I was dealing with them at work, and happened to stumble across one that was too great to ignore.

I'm stuck on a melee/throwing weapon for a Dragonfly themed hero. I was thinking something like those X shaped boomerangs and have it be able to split in half into something like those fighting scythes, but that kinda seems needlessly complicated.

Bladed yo-yo.

Something like dual bladed Kama. With one blade over the other. Like a scissor on it's side. Or left and right sides of the dragonfly. They would be light fast and perhaps have a poisonous sting.

Cryptic wrote: I'm stuck on a melee/throwing weapon for a Dragonfly themed hero.

For melee weapons, the more complicated it is, the less its worth as a weapon. That said, a couple of "theme" items to mislead an opponent into grabbing for them might be a good bit of theater to include in a costume.

"Mwa-ha-ha! What will you do now that I have relieved you of your Dragonfly-arangs?"

*ZAP*

"... Wait for the tasers to fire off in your hand."

Still, for the average mook, butterfly knives in the hands of a practiced user do have intimidation going for them, in addition to concealability.

Darts might be usable as long as they're cheap enough to walk away from after the fight.

Dragonfly-themed/-sized drones, on the other hand, might combine utility and art nicely.

Kettlekorn wrote: Bladed yo-yo.

Already used in the setting sort of, as it's a Miraculous Ladybug fic that might get crossed with the WU if i feel twisted enough.

null0trooper wrote:

Cryptic wrote: I'm stuck on a melee/throwing weapon for a Dragonfly themed hero.

For melee weapons, the more complicated it is, the less its worth as a weapon. That said, a couple of "theme" items to mislead an opponent into grabbing for them might be a good bit of theater to include in a costume.

"Mwa-ha-ha! What will you do now that I have relieved you of your Dragonfly-arangs?"

*ZAP*

"... Wait for the tasers to fire off in your hand."

Excellent thought. Ito would approve.

Still, for the average mook, butterfly knives in the hands of a practiced user do have intimidation going for them, in addition to concealability.

Darts might be usable as long as they're cheap enough to walk away from after the fight.

Dragonfly-themed/-sized drones, on the other hand, might combine utility and art nicely.

It would depend on who you're aiming them at.

Standard bullets aren't really trace-able.

Custom components, even if you are doing the work yourself from raw materials, would still be trace-able by magic.

null0trooper wrote:

Cryptic wrote: I'm stuck on a melee/throwing weapon for a Dragonfly themed hero.

For melee weapons, the more complicated it is, the less its worth as a weapon. That said, a couple of "theme" items to mislead an opponent into grabbing for them might be a good bit of theater to include in a costume.

"Mwa-ha-ha! What will you do now that I have relieved you of your Dragonfly-arangs?"

*ZAP*

"... Wait for the tasers to fire off in your hand."

Still, for the average mook, butterfly knives in the hands of a practiced user do have intimidation going for them, in addition to concealability.

Darts might be usable as long as they're cheap enough to walk away from after the fight.

Dragonfly-themed/-sized drones, on the other hand, might combine utility and art nicely.

I'm reminded of how in one of the Dresden Files short stories, Marcone mentions that he had invested in cheap doors for dramatic (if not tactical) doorways. Also Jadis pulls something like this in one of her combat finals, by baiting her opponent to shoot her in one very specific spot, although she uses a different sort of subterfuge to pull that off.

Ok this idea is spawned from a naughty picture from over on the Sleepymaid gallery, and Moaning Myrtle from Potter;
Guy ghost hanging out in one of the Girl's cottages, or the Co-ed ones, gets sucked up by a female avatar while he's peeping haunting the bathroom. Avatar picks up a weakend version of his powers in life; manifesting.

But the ghost has a little fun with the girl in the night, maybe a boob job, or a Drow make-over, or Oh hey there Mr Happy! I also kind of see the avatar being able to manifest him in an ectoplasmic body.

Cryptic wrote: Ok this idea is spawned from a naughty picture from over on the Sleepymaid gallery, and Moaning Myrtle from Potter;
Guy ghost hanging out in one of the Girl's cottages, or the Co-ed ones, gets sucked up by a female avatar while he's peeping haunting the bathroom. Avatar picks up a weakend version of his powers in life; manifesting.

But the ghost has a little fun with the girl in the night, maybe a boob job, or a Drow make-over, or Oh hey there Mr Happy! I also kind of see the avatar being able to manifest him in an ectoplasmic body.

Or she gets a handsy set of ectoplasmic hands that constantly gropes her and everyone around her.

I'm open to interesting ghosts for Ash to see around the school.

And I was thinking of a Naughty Moaning Myrtle...

^ They'd have to have died there though? Or... How did Jimmy T get access to Chessmaster Ghost... Does he just drag them from everywhere??

Malady wrote: ^ They'd have to have died there though? Or... How did Jimmy T get access to Chessmaster Ghost... Does he just drag them from everywhere??

They could have a Hallow on display somewhere. Like in the Homer gallery, or in one of the secret areas of the tunnels.

Malady wrote: ^ They'd have to have died there though? Or... How did Jimmy T get access to Chessmaster Ghost... Does he just drag them from everywhere??

That's what I've been trying to figure out over here: whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...e-other-ghosts#33760

Oh... Great... Now I'm thinking of more name similarities...



No one in Whateley-verse has named themselves Rainbow... Wow.

Cryptic wrote:

Malady wrote: ^ They'd have to have died there though? Or... How did Jimmy T get access to Chessmaster Ghost... Does he just drag them from everywhere??

That's what I've been trying to figure out over here: whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/spec...e-other-ghosts#33760

Well here's something creepy for you all. I just flipped over to that thread from here and the exact moment I did the Ghostbusters theme started playing. And I'm playing through my enter music library. All 95 hours of it. :/

So Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda finally get to the boat race, and as they're unloading Lanie's boat, they notice right next to them, the Golden Kids (let's go with Phase, Charmer, and Dynamaxx) are also unloading a boat.

This starts a bitter rivalry during the race (because it was the girls' idea and they did all the work getting permission!), and as the Golden Kids begin to fall behind, their pride gets the better of them, so they start to use underhanded tactics to gain an edge on our plucky heroines.

In the end, Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda beat the Golden Kids by a hair, only to discover they're 2nd and 3rd, respectively. The winners?

Jericho, Diamond, and Noms in a ramshackle, patched-together boat, forced into simulator training by Gunny, because he always has to have a team that can take out one of the others...even in sailing.

Katssun wrote: So Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda finally get to the boat race, and as they're unloading Lanie's boat, they notice right next to them, the Golden Kids (let's go with Phase, Charmer, and Dynamaxx) are also unloading a boat.

This starts a bitter rivalry during the race (because it was the girls' idea and they did all the work getting permission!), and as the Golden Kids begin to fall behind, their pride gets the better of them, so they start to use underhanded tactics to gain an edge on our plucky heroines.

In the end, Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda beat the Golden Kids by a hair, only to discover they're 2nd and 3rd, respectively. The winners?

Jericho, Diamond, and Noms in a ramshackle, patched-together boat, forced into simulator training by Gunny, because he always has to have a team that can take out one of the others...even in sailing.

Tink, one Absinthe Fairie, and a Spoof Nikksie.

I just don't see Phase or Charmer using dirty tactics.

Valentine wrote:

Katssun wrote: So Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda finally get to the boat race, and as they're unloading Lanie's boat, they notice right next to them, the Golden Kids (let's go with Phase, Charmer, and Dynamaxx) are also unloading a boat.

This starts a bitter rivalry during the race (because it was the girls' idea and they did all the work getting permission!), and as the Golden Kids begin to fall behind, their pride gets the better of them, so they start to use underhanded tactics to gain an edge on our plucky heroines.

In the end, Lanie, Tansy, and Kayda beat the Golden Kids by a hair, only to discover they're 2nd and 3rd, respectively. The winners?

Jericho, Diamond, and Noms in a ramshackle, patched-together boat, forced into simulator training by Gunny, because he always has to have a team that can take out one of the others...even in sailing.

Tink, one Absinthe Fairie, and a Spoof Nikksie.

I just don't see Phase or Charmer using dirty tactics.

Phase has and will use dirty tactics, in a fight, or for bully repellent (as a certain speedster found out in Y1), but in an organized civil event where the rules are laid out, you are absolutely correct.

Just had a particularly horrifying thought based on Absinthe now being released.

Teri is out and about, and she bumps into Abinthe's glamour-filled fairy. Trying to play, Tink pops the fairy, getting a full dose of Absinthe's glamour, and in the hallucinating, drinks a beverage full of sugar. So we have Tink high on sugar and hallucinating loose on campus.

The horror. The horror!

elrodw wrote: Just had a particularly horrifying thought based on Absinthe now being released.

Teri is out and about, and she bumps into Abinthe's glamour-filled fairy. Trying to play, Tink pops the fairy, getting a full dose of Absinthe's glamour, and in the hallucinating, drinks a beverage full of sugar. So we have Tink high on sugar and hallucinating loose on campus.

The horror. The horror!

... How is that different from when she was on Hazmat's Dev-Sugar? Well... ... I guess the Dev-Sugar isn't hallucinatory... So, Hallucinations might have her crashing through walls a bit more, and things get even wackier...

What would be really really weird is if that made her calm down.

Malady wrote:

elrodw wrote: Just had a particularly horrifying thought based on Absinthe now being released.

Teri is out and about, and she bumps into Abinthe's glamour-filled fairy. Trying to play, Tink pops the fairy, getting a full dose of Absinthe's glamour, and in the hallucinating, drinks a beverage full of sugar. So we have Tink high on sugar and hallucinating loose on campus.

The horror. The horror!

... How is that different from when she was on Hazmat's Dev-Sugar? Well... ... I guess the Dev-Sugar isn't hallucinatory... So, Hallucinations might have her crashing through walls a bit more, and things get even wackier...

What would be really really weird is if that made her calm down.

"What's going on?" the boy asked as he approached a crowd gathered around something.
"Tink got a big gulp of soda AND got hit with a load of Absinthe's glamour."
"Oh, my God! Why isn't everyone running for cover?" the boy cried with alarm.
"Because it works differently on her. Look."
The boy looked, and his jaw dropped as he beheld the tiny purple-winged fairy sprawled out on the ground with a goofy smile - like she was totally STONED.
"At least we know how to calm her down now," his companion said with a smirk.

Hmm... Tink could be a sort of directed weapon... Someone lures her to some spot with the target, and then summons a sugarcube into her mouth, while also mixing an enraging spell or something?

Malady wrote: Hmm... Tink could be a sort of directed weapon... Someone lures her to some spot with the target, and then summons a sugarcube into her mouth, while also mixing an enraging spell or something?

Try worse:

Give her sugar. Deploy Misty and Lindsay to get her spun up. Release at Jericho.

Or, hand her to Jericho in a purse. He will find an appropriate target.

Katssun wrote:

Malady wrote: Hmm... Tink could be a sort of directed weapon... Someone lures her to some spot with the target, and then summons a sugarcube into her mouth, while also mixing an enraging spell or something?

Try worse:

Give her sugar. Deploy Misty and Lindsay to get her spun up. Release at Jericho.

Or, hand her to Jericho in a purse. He will find an appropriate target.

Release at Jericho? With his outfits she would hit everything but him.
AHH the SUN! Turn away!!!

JG wrote: Jericho carefully took out the purse with the trapped Fairy girl inside. When his target came close he broke the seal on the packets of liquefied sugar inside, saturating the tiny creature with anti-sanity. When the moment was right, he shook the bag vigorously, then threw it, smacking Dump Truck in the face.

"What the hell?" The boy caught the slightly-sticky thing.

From deep within, a high pitched, maniacal giggle began to issue forth before Teri Exploded from the purse shrieking "REVENNNNNNGGGGEEEEEE!!!!"

Dump Truck screamed.

For a second there I thought you said Donald Trump... And I liked the story better that way.

We'd better not let Tia fly United Airlines...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39715188

Is United the next Pan Am?

Too big to fail until, well, it does?

I would say that United should have taken the whole " United Breaks Guitars " debacle, back in 2008, as a big warning that they needed to treat their customers better... but they essentially ignored their customer-facing problems. And now it's blowing up on their face.

I mean, it's not rocket science. American had the stroller incident last week, but they dealt with it much better. They are both giant customer-mistreating corporations; it's just that American's PR department is on the ball, and United's is not.

As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Malady wrote:

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I'm a MLP-er as well, so when I went to the WhateleyUniverseTropesJToZ page, and saw

Obfuscating Stupidity: A tactic used by Sunburst, among others.

I was like... "When did I start troping MLP"? ... And now, I have an idea... That Sunburst has a twin brother or something named Sunset... See Sunsplit .

OH... You know how Twilight has all those girls with similar names to her with similarly powersets? ... What if Sunburst has that happen to her...

Gah... Now I'm thinking Nacht as a Nyx ... Marazena as a cultist... Oh great... I can make so many parallels... Ugh... Not gonna work on this... No...

Oh... Great... Now I'm thinking of more name similarities...

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Ember...

Sparkler...

No one in Whateley-verse has named themselves Rainbow... Wow.

Don't tempt me to use this with my Space Ponies!!!

Odds Mangler and Teleporter. Power has a tendency to activate without warning and teleport them into unexpected situations.


Code name: The Spanish Inquisition


Possibly a fear aura as well? After all, their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear - two chief weapons...

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Odds Mangler and Teleporter. Power has a tendency to activate without warning and teleport them into unexpected situations.

Code name: The Spanish Inquisition

Possibly a fear aura as well? After all, their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear - two chief weapons...

This doesn't sound like a student, this sounds like a 'SuperHero', but an inept one.

Prehapes one of those "God leads me to villians, I have been led here so you are a villain! Prepare to be judged by God!" kill everyone and let God sort it out cretins.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Odds Mangler and Teleporter. Power has a tendency to activate without warning and teleport them into unexpected situations.

Code name: The Spanish Inquisition

Possibly a fear aura as well? After all, their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear - two chief weapons...

This doesn't sound like a student, this sounds like a 'SuperHero', but an inept one.

Prehapes one of those "God leads me to villians, I have been led here so you are a villain! Prepare to be judged by God!" kill everyone and let God sort it out cretins.

"kill everyone and let God sort it out"
How is that a hero?!?

NJM1564 wrote: "kill everyone and let God sort it out"
How is that a hero?!?

The sanctimonious type!

"You've killed innocents!
"I've brought them to the Lord's embrace quicker. A mercy from the wretched Earthly realm that I must Save."

"We'll dunk the witch in a pond. If she drowns, she was innocent and goes to God. If she's a witch, she'll survive, and then we burn her."

Geez! Someone hasn't been reading their Malleus Maleficarum!

NJM1564 wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Odds Mangler and Teleporter. Power has a tendency to activate without warning and teleport them into unexpected situations.

Code name: The Spanish Inquisition

Possibly a fear aura as well? After all, their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear - two chief weapons...

This doesn't sound like a student, this sounds like a 'SuperHero', but an inept one.

Prehapes one of those "God leads me to villians, I have been led here so you are a villain! Prepare to be judged by God!" kill everyone and let God sort it out cretins.

"kill everyone and let God sort it out"
How is that a hero?!?

Sounds a bit like Sinsear.

NJM1564 wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Odds Mangler and Teleporter. Power has a tendency to activate without warning and teleport them into unexpected situations.

Code name: The Spanish Inquisition

Possibly a fear aura as well? After all, their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear - two chief weapons...

This doesn't sound like a student, this sounds like a 'SuperHero', but an inept one.

Prehapes one of those "God leads me to villians, I have been led here so you are a villain! Prepare to be judged by God!" kill everyone and let God sort it out cretins.

"kill everyone and let God sort it out"
How is that a hero?!?

His code name is "The Spanish Inquisition"

I mean ... The Spanish Inquisition!

It's infamous!

Only an idiot would set out to be a hero with the code name of The Spanish Inquisition!

Of course he's not a hero! He's a mass murdering nut job! He just thinks he's a hero doing God's work! That's the point!

As much as he is a bad idea...However the concept does have some comedy value. The down side. In the real world he wouldn't live very long.

Katssun wrote:

NJM1564 wrote: "kill everyone and let God sort it out"
How is that a hero?!?

The sanctimonious type!

"You've killed innocents!
"I've brought them to the Lord's embrace quicker. A mercy from the wretched Earthly realm that I must Save."

"We'll dunk the witch in a pond. If she drowns, she was innocent and goes to God. If she's a witch, she'll survive, and then we burn her."

Geez! Someone hasn't been reading their Malleus Maleficarum!

Reminds me of what's going on in .

Sir Lee wrote: I would say that United should have taken the whole " United Breaks Guitars " debacle, back in 2008, as a big warning that they needed to treat their customers better... but they essentially ignored their customer-facing problems. And now it's blowing up on their face.

I mean, it's not rocket science. American had the stroller incident last week, but they dealt with it much better. They are both giant customer-mistreating corporations; it's just that American's PR department is on the ball, and United's is not.

I love that song, i was disappointed when they bought continental, the fact that their own PR and advertisement people felt the need to take their logo should have been a bigger red flag, it says they know people didn't trust their brand

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Didn't Vamp leave half of her family to be killed or arrested or some other dire ending?

Valentine wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Didn't Vamp leave half of her family to be killed or arrested or some other dire ending?

She left the half that had murdered her moms true love and blackmailed her mom into marrying them so they could lech her mothers prosperity.

A Were Jade. A Were something lets say Bloodwolf's beast form gets corrupted and instead of turning into simply a wolf he turns more and more into a copy of jade. (There was a micro about BW becoming a women. Now we have a cause.) Bonus points if he she keeps the fluffy ears and tail.

We already has one of those...her name is Silvermoon.

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

While somewhere laced in Phase does have the intent on taking down or at least being a worthy competitor to Goodkind Industries, he has shown he isn't that interested in revenge, he hired the KOP once for crying out loud, his core interests are actually fairly similar to that of the rest of his family, he just comes at it from a very different angle, since mutating his view on how dangerous mutants are is either the same as what it was before, or even greater, the key difference is he acknowledges that desperate people are dangerous, so if there are fewer desperate mutants as opposed to fewer mutants, the world will be safer. His main motivation against his family is that they are making it more dangerous for people in general, also the fact that they protected and allowed Emil Hammond to experiment on him.

Jade with any form of driver's license, doesn't matter that she will be able to control the vehicle better than any baseline, or that she will be able to not have any blindspots, it is a bad idea, especially because it is doubtful she will be in the driver's seat, except for appearances sake.

Jade's power have definite physical limits. I don't think she can possess an entire regular car, and she has not shown the ability to possess only part of an object. So it probably would have to be a very small car, and even that is a bit doubtful, But a motorcycle should be within her limits.

Sir Lee wrote: Jade's power have definite physical limits. I don't think she can possess an entire regular car, and she has not shown the ability to possess only part of an object. So it probably would have to be a very small car, and even that is a bit doubtful, But a motorcycle should be within her limits.

If its a Tesla she can possess the computer in it maybe. all functions of the vehicle are peripheral to it, she might even be able to "see" color thanks to the cameras, unknown because I don't remember her ever possessing something with a camera, she might manage anything equipped with self parking features as well. a work around to not being able to possess a part of an object, is to possess something that plugs into the vehicle's computer.

It's not that simple. Jinn does not "possess" something in a mystical sense; she "just" animates it telekinetically. She does not interact directly with electricity. Also, her psi-vision (a) is not light-based, but somehow based on sensing matter density, and (b) has problems with integrating mosaic-type images into a single image -- she can see the pixels, but she can't figure out what image they are supposed to form. Can't see the forest for the trees, in a sense. So she not only wouldn't be able to receive the camera images directly, she wouldn't even be able to read the computer screen.

Another problem is that most car computers (and smartphones, and tablets) nowadays use a capacitance-based touchscreen. Which means that she probably would require some sort of specially designed stylus to be able to press on screen icons -- a regular smartphone stylus wouldn't work, since it still depends on the natural capacitance of the human body holding it.

So, even if she is able to treat the computer as a separate object from the car (doubtful, she hasn't show this kind of ability before), it wouldn't help much.

However, IF she can learn to pull off the trick of possessing a component part without the rest of the object, she might control a car by possessing the steering wheel, pedals and shift lever. There's the issue of the windshield and other windows -- Babs was a bit inconsistent on whether glass should be transparent to her psi-vision or not. But at least Jinn wouldn't require rearview mirrors.

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

Except he is paying Jody 3 or 4 times minimum wage to do maid work. He was paying girls $100 per hour to serve at the Golden Kids meeting, which was significantly more than anyone else had, causing them all to raise what they paid. He isn't drastically overpaying the Gadgeteers and Devisors, he is paying them what they are worth, and getting them paid what they are worth.

I'm not sure where the "petty revenge" against his family came from. He talks to his brother fairly regularly and has warned him about Tansy, warned him about the computer hacking, warned them that what happened to him probably wasn't natural. It's fairly obvious he still loves his family, well except maybe his sister Heather.

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

Except he is paying Jody 3 or 4 times minimum wage to do maid work. He was paying girls $100 per hour to serve at the Golden Kids meeting, which was significantly more than anyone else had, causing them all to raise what they paid. He isn't drastically overpaying the Gadgeteers and Devisors, he is paying them what they are worth, and getting them paid what they are worth.

I'm not sure where the "petty revenge" against his family came from. He talks to his brother fairly regularly and has warned him about Tansy, warned him about the computer hacking, warned them that what happened to him probably wasn't natural. It's fairly obvious he still loves his family, well except maybe his sister Heather.

3 or 4 times minimum wage which is calculated based on the living expenses of ordinary people, Jody has additional living expenses that aren't factored into that calculation, same deal with the Golden Kids meeting, and he ensured quality service there too.

mhalpern wrote:

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

Except he is paying Jody 3 or 4 times minimum wage to do maid work. He was paying girls $100 per hour to serve at the Golden Kids meeting, which was significantly more than anyone else had, causing them all to raise what they paid. He isn't drastically overpaying the Gadgeteers and Devisors, he is paying them what they are worth, and getting them paid what they are worth.

I'm not sure where the "petty revenge" against his family came from. He talks to his brother fairly regularly and has warned him about Tansy, warned him about the computer hacking, warned them that what happened to him probably wasn't natural. It's fairly obvious he still loves his family, well except maybe his sister Heather.

3 or 4 times minimum wage which is calculated based on the living expenses of ordinary people, Jody has additional living expenses that aren't factored into that calculation, same deal with the Golden Kids meeting, and he ensured quality service there too.

What living expenses? Toothpaste? She is 15 or 16, Her food and housing is paid for, this isn't a School job, it's something for some extra income.

Ayla 2 wrote: I smiled, “This time I hope I’ll be causing less of a problem. I’d like to know if I can hire someone. I’d like to get someone who can help me out weekly by doing my laundry and cleaning my room. And I’d like to hire someone for a more immediate task. I’d like to pay someone to help me renovate my room. I’d like to paint it, turn the two beds into bunk beds, and do a few minor things like upgrade my studio cooler and hang a couple hammocks.”

She pursed her lips a bit. “Bunk beds are no problem. We have several sets of bunk bed connectors in the storage room. You can check one out. I would need to see the paint color choices before you paint. And I would want to see where you would put the hammocks, and how you planned to hang them up. We’ve had students who hadn’t thought that part out, and they ended up tearing big chunks of plaster out of the walls instead of getting their bookcase or knick-knack shelf up.”

I smiled, “That seems eminently reasonable.”

She nodded at my apparent cooperation. “And, you wouldn’t be the first student who wanted to pay someone to do your personal tasks. Most of the kids who do that are over in Melville or Dickinson. But I have a list of Poe kids who have said they were interested in a little extra income.” She reached into a drawer and pulled out a sheet of paper. She looked it over and asked, “What about Jade Sinclair? She’s…”

Gadgeteers, Devisors, and Mages have extra expense.

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

Except he is paying Jody 3 or 4 times minimum wage to do maid work. He was paying girls $100 per hour to serve at the Golden Kids meeting, which was significantly more than anyone else had, causing them all to raise what they paid. He isn't drastically overpaying the Gadgeteers and Devisors, he is paying them what they are worth, and getting them paid what they are worth.

I'm not sure where the "petty revenge" against his family came from. He talks to his brother fairly regularly and has warned him about Tansy, warned him about the computer hacking, warned them that what happened to him probably wasn't natural. It's fairly obvious he still loves his family, well except maybe his sister Heather.

3 or 4 times minimum wage which is calculated based on the living expenses of ordinary people, Jody has additional living expenses that aren't factored into that calculation, same deal with the Golden Kids meeting, and he ensured quality service there too.

What living expenses? Toothpaste? She is 15 or 16, Her food and housing is paid for, this isn't a School job, it's something for some extra income.

Ayla 2 wrote: I smiled, “This time I hope I’ll be causing less of a problem. I’d like to know if I can hire someone. I’d like to get someone who can help me out weekly by doing my laundry and cleaning my room. And I’d like to hire someone for a more immediate task. I’d like to pay someone to help me renovate my room. I’d like to paint it, turn the two beds into bunk beds, and do a few minor things like upgrade my studio cooler and hang a couple hammocks.”

She pursed her lips a bit. “Bunk beds are no problem. We have several sets of bunk bed connectors in the storage room. You can check one out. I would need to see the paint color choices before you paint. And I would want to see where you would put the hammocks, and how you planned to hang them up. We’ve had students who hadn’t thought that part out, and they ended up tearing big chunks of plaster out of the walls instead of getting their bookcase or knick-knack shelf up.”

I smiled, “That seems eminently reasonable.”

She nodded at my apparent cooperation. “And, you wouldn’t be the first student who wanted to pay someone to do your personal tasks. Most of the kids who do that are over in Melville or Dickinson. But I have a list of Poe kids who have said they were interested in a little extra income.” She reached into a drawer and pulled out a sheet of paper. She looked it over and asked, “What about Jade Sinclair? She’s…”

Gadgeteers, Devisors, and Mages have extra expense.

Extra expense- how frequently do clothes get damaged at Whateley? Even on weekends when they aren't wearing uniforms or costumes?

You are all missing the point. Ayla pays extra-well for personal services because he's investing in people's loyalty. Personal servants have an inside track into their employers' lives, and Ayla is very aware that disgruntled servants are one of the biggest security weaknesses there are -- be it involving theft, industrial espionage, kidnapping or plain old malicious gossip.
So, he pays them well enough that right from the start they really, really don't want to lose this cushy gig. And treats them well enough so they don't become disgruntled.
At Whateley, there's an additional variable: Ayla is employing other students, that is, theoretically his social equals, to do menial jobs (laundry & cleaning in Jodi's case, waitressing in Jade's case). Any way you cut it, it adds a bit of class tension into the social relationship, that is, it's bound to generate a bit of resentment from his employees. One way to lessen the impact is to make the job really attractive. So he overpays Jodi more, proportionally, than he would overpay his maid outside Whateley.

Now, none of that dynamic applies to the Workshop guys. These are not doing menial work for Ayla; they are doing pretty much what they want to do the rest of their lives -- and Ayla is helping them what their work is worth. Ayla is not their employer; he's their customer, or patent agent, or money manager. He does not need to overpay them to make them happy; paying them fair market value is already much better than they are getting from other sources.

mhalpern wrote:

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

Except he is paying Jody 3 or 4 times minimum wage to do maid work. He was paying girls $100 per hour to serve at the Golden Kids meeting, which was significantly more than anyone else had, causing them all to raise what they paid. He isn't drastically overpaying the Gadgeteers and Devisors, he is paying them what they are worth, and getting them paid what they are worth.

I'm not sure where the "petty revenge" against his family came from. He talks to his brother fairly regularly and has warned him about Tansy, warned him about the computer hacking, warned them that what happened to him probably wasn't natural. It's fairly obvious he still loves his family, well except maybe his sister Heather.

3 or 4 times minimum wage which is calculated based on the living expenses of ordinary people, Jody has additional living expenses that aren't factored into that calculation, same deal with the Golden Kids meeting, and he ensured quality service there too.

What living expenses? Toothpaste? She is 15 or 16, Her food and housing is paid for, this isn't a School job, it's something for some extra income.

Ayla 2 wrote: I smiled, “This time I hope I’ll be causing less of a problem. I’d like to know if I can hire someone. I’d like to get someone who can help me out weekly by doing my laundry and cleaning my room. And I’d like to hire someone for a more immediate task. I’d like to pay someone to help me renovate my room. I’d like to paint it, turn the two beds into bunk beds, and do a few minor things like upgrade my studio cooler and hang a couple hammocks.”

She pursed her lips a bit. “Bunk beds are no problem. We have several sets of bunk bed connectors in the storage room. You can check one out. I would need to see the paint color choices before you paint. And I would want to see where you would put the hammocks, and how you planned to hang them up. We’ve had students who hadn’t thought that part out, and they ended up tearing big chunks of plaster out of the walls instead of getting their bookcase or knick-knack shelf up.”

I smiled, “That seems eminently reasonable.”

She nodded at my apparent cooperation. “And, you wouldn’t be the first student who wanted to pay someone to do your personal tasks. Most of the kids who do that are over in Melville or Dickinson. But I have a list of Poe kids who have said they were interested in a little extra income.” She reached into a drawer and pulled out a sheet of paper. She looked it over and asked, “What about Jade Sinclair? She’s…”

Gadgeteers, Devisors, and Mages have extra expense.

Extra expense- how frequently do clothes get damaged at Whateley? Even on weekends when they aren't wearing uniforms or costumes?

Maybe a bit more than for normal teenagers, but again why are we expecting Jody to be paying for her own clothes? She presumably has parents that would do that. In the case of malicious clothing destruction, we have seen that the person causing the destruction was made to replace the clothes.

As far as I can remember, Jade is the only truly destitute student there, even Diamondback and Noms have the Turner's looking out for them. There probably are a few others, but I don't remember them being mentioned. And after Elrod's intervention even Jade isn't destitute anymore.

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Valentine wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote:

mhalpern wrote:

Katssun wrote: As Delta quietly raised their voucher policy...increasing compensation limits. Gate agents can now offer up to $2,000 worth of vouchers, while supervisors can offer up to $9,950 worth of vouchers.

Watch others fail and do the opposite. Great business advice.

Maybe that's why Phase is so successful...he follows his sisters on Facebook.

Phase is successful because where a gadgeteer sees a product that isn't good enough because it can't keep up with exemplars, he sees a product that is ready to market to baselines, a newspaper print house as a potential comic book printer, a devise that is bigger on the inside, as a very desirable product. Phase has a very thorough understanding of marketability, and knows that it is more beneficial to treat business partners, employees and customers right than to try and cheap out on them

True, but I still like Vamp better! She cares about helping people. Not petty revenge against her family...for the most part.

I'm unsure of who you're referring to here. Are you saying that Phase, Mr. I-want-to-hire-every-student-at-Whateley-and-drastically-overpay-them and Becomes-horribly-depressed-because-they-can't-cure-an-obnoxious-acquaintance-of-their-alcoholism, doesn't care about helping people? Or were you referring to somebody else?

Actually you can easily argue that phase doesn't overpay, cost of living expenses and quality of work, a gadgeteer is at least equal to a skilled and experienced IT specialist, but usually along the lines of an R&D department, devisors provide unique resources and equipment, especially valuable when it can be considered capital equipment, similar logic follows other prospective hires, arguably in order to keep a competitive job market between baselines and mutants, there HAS to be a standard where mutants cost more to employ if their mutation contributes to their job, that way it will still make sense to hire baselines

Except he is paying Jody 3 or 4 times minimum wage to do maid work. He was paying girls $100 per hour to serve at the Golden Kids meeting, which was significantly more than anyone else had, causing them all to raise what they paid. He isn't drastically overpaying the Gadgeteers and Devisors, he is paying them what they are worth, and getting them paid what they are worth.

I'm not sure where the "petty revenge" against his family came from. He talks to his brother fairly regularly and has warned him about Tansy, warned him about the computer hacking, warned them that what happened to him probably wasn't natural. It's fairly obvious he still loves his family, well except maybe his sister Heather.

3 or 4 times minimum wage which is calculated based on the living expenses of ordinary people, Jody has additional living expenses that aren't factored into that calculation, same deal with the Golden Kids meeting, and he ensured quality service there too.

What living expenses? Toothpaste? She is 15 or 16, Her food and housing is paid for, this isn't a School job, it's something for some extra income.

Ayla 2 wrote: I smiled, “This time I hope I’ll be causing less of a problem. I’d like to know if I can hire someone. I’d like to get someone who can help me out weekly by doing my laundry and cleaning my room. And I’d like to hire someone for a more immediate task. I’d like to pay someone to help me renovate my room. I’d like to paint it, turn the two beds into bunk beds, and do a few minor things like upgrade my studio cooler and hang a couple hammocks.”

She pursed her lips a bit. “Bunk beds are no problem. We have several sets of bunk bed connectors in the storage room. You can check one out. I would need to see the paint color choices before you paint. And I would want to see where you would put the hammocks, and how you planned to hang them up. We’ve had students who hadn’t thought that part out, and they ended up tearing big chunks of plaster out of the walls instead of getting their bookcase or knick-knack shelf up.”

I smiled, “That seems eminently reasonable.”

She nodded at my apparent cooperation. “And, you wouldn’t be the first student who wanted to pay someone to do your personal tasks. Most of the kids who do that are over in Melville or Dickinson. But I have a list of Poe kids who have said they were interested in a little extra income.” She reached into a drawer and pulled out a sheet of paper. She looked it over and asked, “What about Jade Sinclair? She’s…”

Gadgeteers, Devisors, and Mages have extra expense.

Extra expense- how frequently do clothes get damaged at Whateley? Even on weekends when they aren't wearing uniforms or costumes?

Maybe a bit more than for normal teenagers, but again why are we expecting Jody to be paying for her own clothes? She presumably has parents that would do that. In the case of malicious clothing destruction, we have seen that the person causing the destruction was made to replace the clothes.

As far as I can remember, Jade is the only truly destitute student there, even Diamondback and Noms have the Turner's looking out for them. There probably are a few others, but I don't remember them being mentioned. And after Elrod's intervention even Jade isn't destitute anymore.

Parents paying for clothes means they get a say in what the clothes are,

While clothing at Whateley generally has a shorter than average life expectancy, I doubt that Jodie needs to replace her clothes as often as, say, Tennyo.

All of this is slightly besides the point, though. Ayla can spout practical reasons until he's blue in the face and they may even be true, but the bottom line is that he has an almost pathological need to help people. "Goodkinds don't complain. They fix things."

It's most clearly stated during the episode where he gets Vox to voice Glitch, but you also see it when he sets up the two girls who help him over Christmas with scholarships and therapy. He has no expectation of ever seeing then again, but helping them is the right thing to do, so he does.

There are also several references where Ayla notes that if someone does a good job, you pay them enough to feel appreciated and valued so they will continue to do a good job. Add in the sense of nobless oblige and I think you can explain 90% of Ayla's actions with money.

If JG, JD, JJ, and AJ all met in a room, what would the initial reason be?

Stuck for a code name for a TG(mtf) Bad Seed who is the adopted child of my Sculptor super villain. Scultptor saved her life at the expense of most of the kid's body and original gender (thinking some nasty mojo which the gender surgery broke) so she's pretty much a Bust, in the statuary sense, acting as a 'lid' for a vase made out of bone that holds her organs. Think Borg Queen from First Contact save the long spine. The bone vase is part of her body, and her powers allow her to to adapt her body to her will. She can't do a body restore cause she'd need to get the mass from some where, and experiments with transplanted flesh did not turn out well.

Thinking of having her be Jess' roomie in Poe. Oh and her real/new name is Venus, which she chose while she still had a good bit of a body yet.

Galatea

What are the chances of her getting a cyborg body, a la General Grievous from Star Wars? If she does, that opens her up to a whole variety of android/cyborg references to use. The first one I thought of was Chopper, after Nick Chopper, the Tin Woodsman, but it's not a particularly feminine name so it may not be her cup of tea.

Looking up synonyms for vase I found "Amphora", which I think sounds rather pretty. It fits with the Roman theme of her name too.

Nikki decides to get Absinthe, Whisper, and 8 other elves together and organizes a simultaneous robbery of several Las Vegas casino's.

Fey's Elven

annachie wrote: Nikki decides to get Absinthe, Whisper, and 8 other elves together and organizes a simultaneous robbery of several Las Vegas casino's.

Fey's Elven

Make it a cross teem sim run and you might be on to something.
Why aren't there more cross teem sim runs?

Arcanist Lupus wrote: What are the chances of her getting a cyborg body, a la General Grievous from Star Wars? If she does, that opens her up to a whole variety of android/cyborg references to use. The first one I thought of was Chopper, after Nick Chopper, the Tin Woodsman, but it's not a particularly feminine name so it may not be her cup of tea.

Looking up synonyms for vase I found "Amphora", which I think sounds rather pretty. It fits with the Roman theme of her name too.

Haven't decided o the cybroging, but I like Amphora.

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A 3 or 4 way prank war between Jade, Absinthe and Melissa and/or Imp.... perhaps even a small flying bundle of horror that must never consume sugar

mhalpern wrote: A 3 or 4 way prank war between Jade, Absinthe and Melissa and/or Imp.... perhaps even a small flying bundle of horror that must never consume sugar

*remembers Absinthe 2*

oh god morpheus has created even more participants since then.

Esar wrote:

mhalpern wrote: A 3 or 4 way prank war between Jade, Absinthe and Melissa and/or Imp.... perhaps even a small flying bundle of horror that must never consume sugar

*remembers Absinthe 2*

oh god morpheus has created even more participants since then.

I'd guess Absinthe 2 proceeds as written, except Ayla grumbles about how bad things have gotten in Poe and how he can't find time to study...during Art Appreciation class.

Then Imp grabs Monkeywrench first, then Melissa, Melissa grabs Trixie...and three days later everyone is upgrading Fubar's tank together.

Gwen's middle name is in fact François-Ferdinand.

NJM1564 wrote:

annachie wrote: Nikki decides to get Absinthe, Whisper, and 8 other elves together and organizes a simultaneous robbery of several Las Vegas casino's.

Fey's Elven

Make it a cross teem sim run and you might be on to something.
Why aren't there more cross teem sim runs?

Supposedly, the "Atlantean League" is will be pushing more extensive and intensive training in the sims and arenas, including swapping members, all without Liz Carson or Hecate's Master figuring out that something's up with that. Not that expecting most or all the techies and wiz-kids to donate all their work to buffing the Designated Warriors won't be a huge tip-off. OPSEC is nice, but it rarely defends against forensic audits. Expecting Phase and She-Beast to cover everyone's financial tracks against audit would also be a tipoff.

Financially, conning the young wizards and sorceresses into turning over all their protective gear to the Real Men (and a couple of Women) on a "we'll pay you back for materials Real Soon Now" basis is a brilliant stroke. Because once they do that and start scrying the Bastard full-time ... well, blood-smears can't take you to court for non-payment, now can they?

Maybe Sidewinder becomes so financially successful in part because they're marketing the gear developed for the League by the discarded blood-smears on behalf of their estates?

Katssun wrote: Then Imp grabs Monkeywrench first, then Melissa, Melissa grabs Trixie...and three days later everyone is upgrading Fubar's tank together.

Upgrading Fubar's tank into a tank ?

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Katssun wrote: Then Imp grabs Monkeywrench first, then Melissa, Melissa grabs Trixie...and three days later everyone is upgrading Fubar's tank together.

Upgrading Fubar's tank into a tank ?

More like this tank.

null0trooper wrote:

NJM1564 wrote:

annachie wrote: Nikki decides to get Absinthe, Whisper, and 8 other elves together and organizes a simultaneous robbery of several Las Vegas casino's.

Fey's Elven

Make it a cross teem sim run and you might be on to something.
Why aren't there more cross teem sim runs?

Supposedly, the "Atlantean League" is will be pushing more extensive and intensive training in the sims and arenas, including swapping members, all without Liz Carson or Hecate's Master figuring out that something's up with that. Not that expecting most or all the techies and wiz-kids to donate all their work to buffing the Designated Warriors won't be a huge tip-off. OPSEC is nice, but it rarely defends against forensic audits. Expecting Phase and She-Beast to cover everyone's financial tracks against audit would also be a tipoff.

Financially, conning the young wizards and sorceresses into turning over all their protective gear to the Real Men (and a couple of Women) on a "we'll pay you back for materials Real Soon Now" basis is a brilliant stroke. Because once they do that and start scrying the Bastard full-time ... well, blood-smears can't take you to court for non-payment, now can they?

Maybe Sidewinder becomes so financially successful in part because they're marketing the gear developed for the League by the discarded blood-smears on behalf of their estates?

In cannon I don't think the League knows about Hecate's Master. Only some of the staff and maybe the Kimbas know about it. None of whom are involved with the League.

Tansy knows something, but I forget how much. She eavesdropped on the Don's meeting with HM, right?

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Tansy knows something, but I forget how much. She eavesdropped on the Don's meeting with HM, right?

She knows the Don met with some scarey dude and he pissed his pants. I don't think there was much more than that. And with all that has bin happening she might not have paid it much mind. Or even thought about it. And I don't think she knows much about the league ether. How much has she bin read in on about it. She is hardly trusted by most of them.
She has a peace of the puzzle. (That the Don knows who one of his main minions is.)
The league has more thanks to the dumb bear. (What the bastard looks like. And is capable of.)
Some of the staff and security aux has more. (What his minions are like and how he corrupts things.)
Paige/Petra Donner. Probably has more. (Where he is located at.)
And the MCO also has some of them. (When he is likely to appear.)

I look foreword to seeing how the author get all these people to share there info with each other. That is if they do so before it's to late.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Tansy knows something, but I forget how much. She eavesdropped on the Don's meeting with HM, right?

Right. She was also dead-center of the spirit-trading conspiracy. They may not know more than that about HM other than he may be posing as a student on the tech track, but Rev. Englund and Amelia Hartford should know something. Funny that the Kimbas Englund most wants left out are the ones who have history with Nimbus, the Necromancer, and the Bastard.

Nonetheless, even if the League has no concept or concern about Hekate's Master whatsoever, that doesn't mean that he inherently cannot learn about them.

Katssun wrote:

Esar wrote:

mhalpern wrote: A 3 or 4 way prank war between Jade, Absinthe and Melissa and/or Imp.... perhaps even a small flying bundle of horror that must never consume sugar

*remembers Absinthe 2*

oh god morpheus has created even more participants since then.

I'd guess Absinthe 2 proceeds as written, except Ayla grumbles about how bad things have gotten in Poe and how he can't find time to study...during Art Appreciation class.

Then Imp grabs Monkeywrench first, then Melissa, Melissa grabs Trixie...and three days later everyone is upgrading Fubar's tank together.

2 problems with that, 1 "Goodkinds don't complain, they fix things." 2 Ayla has top of the line noise canceling headphones.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Tansy knows something, but I forget how much. She eavesdropped on the Don's meeting with HM, right?

She knows this:

"I know everything . I know you play the buffoon down here, but Hekate called you Master . I know you're the source of what she used on Cavalier and Skybolt, and I know the Syndicate calls you Nimbus and unless you want Mrs. Carson to know everything I do, from now on you call me Master!"

But does she understand what it means?

Kodiak, Aries, and some of the other Alphas know Hekate bespelled Cav & Sky, but I don't think any of them have the magic knowledge to know how hard that would be.

Of course if Tansy shoud mention of this to Kayda, anyone in TK, any teacher in the Mystic Arts program, Foobs, Carson, Hartford, or possibly Kodiak or Lanie the fecal matter will hit the Forced Air Node.

Valentine wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Tansy knows something, but I forget how much. She eavesdropped on the Don's meeting with HM, right?

She knows this:

"I know everything . I know you play the buffoon down here, but Hekate called you Master . I know you're the source of what she used on Cavalier and Skybolt, and I know the Syndicate calls you Nimbus and unless you want Mrs. Carson to know everything I do, from now on you call me Master!"

But does she understand what it means?

Kodiak, Aries, and some of the other Alphas know Hekate bespelled Cav & Sky, but I don't think any of them have the magic knowledge to know how hard that would be.

Of course if Tansy shoud mention of this to Kayda, anyone in TK, any teacher in the Mystic Arts program, Foobs, Carson, Hartford, or possibly Kodiak or Lanie the fecal matter will hit the Forced Air Node.

A lot more than just them would be triggered if she mentioned it. Pretty much anyone and everyone. Even most of the future supervillan set would likely get set off by that info.

NJM1564 wrote:

Valentine wrote:

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Tansy knows something, but I forget how much. She eavesdropped on the Don's meeting with HM, right?

She knows this:

"I know everything . I know you play the buffoon down here, but Hekate called you Master . I know you're the source of what she used on Cavalier and Skybolt, and I know the Syndicate calls you Nimbus and unless you want Mrs. Carson to know everything I do, from now on you call me Master!"

But does she understand what it means?

Kodiak, Aries, and some of the other Alphas know Hekate bespelled Cav & Sky, but I don't think any of them have the magic knowledge to know how hard that would be.

Of course if Tansy shoud mention of this to Kayda, anyone in TK, any teacher in the Mystic Arts program, Foobs, Carson, Hartford, or possibly Kodiak or Lanie the fecal matter will hit the Forced Air Node.

A lot more than just them would be triggered if she mentioned it. Pretty much anyone and everyone. Even most of the future supervillan set would likely get set off by that info.

Definitely HM has been messing with Whateley, and killing students (albeit indirectly) if the Syndicate knew or even suspected HM was Nimbus, who's methods are already frowned upon by many of the villain community, messing with kids, surgically implanting a BOMB in a non-consenting minor, probably puts Nimbus on the line, if they knew they were the same...

Has it been confirmed that Nimbus is HM? I thought that that was still speculation.

I think it has been confirmed to the readers (but not to the main characters) in "Sun & Fun".

But how many people actually know of the existence of Hekate's Master, as opposed to just Nimbus? The readers know, some people at Whateley know. If you told any of say 500 of the students that you knew who Hekate's Master was they would look at you blankly, some that knew about Hekate might tell a teacher or security or someone, but most would just think that you meant a teacher.

Hekate wasn't out telling everyone about her secret Master and the Mythos spells she was learning.

I'm pritty sure anyone involved with the Don directly or indirectly would be a pariah.

If they are still around, that is -- the Don's faction is now reduced to... what? Tansy left, Aries is a spy, Hamper & Damper got expelled/arrested... there's Bogus, Farrago, Peppercorn and Icer, I think. If none of them left yet.

Sir Lee wrote: If they are still around, that is -- the Don's faction is now reduced to... what? Tansy left, Aries is a spy, Hamper & Damper got expelled/arrested... there's Bogus, Farrago, Peppercorn and Icer, I think. If none of them left yet.

I thought Tansy was supposed to be spying on The Don, or did she quit that when she went to work for Ms. Hartford?

Valentine wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: If they are still around, that is -- the Don's faction is now reduced to... what? Tansy left, Aries is a spy, Hamper & Damper got expelled/arrested... there's Bogus, Farrago, Peppercorn and Icer, I think. If none of them left yet.

I thought Tansy was supposed to be spying on The Don, or did she quit that when she went to work for Ms. Hartford?

"She's a very busy girl
The kind you don't take to the Don now.
She will never let your spirits down,
Once you get her off the Mustang."

This is the "Bad Ideas" thread, no?

null0trooper wrote:

Valentine wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: If they are still around, that is -- the Don's faction is now reduced to... what? Tansy left, Aries is a spy, Hamper & Damper got expelled/arrested... there's Bogus, Farrago, Peppercorn and Icer, I think. If none of them left yet.

I thought Tansy was supposed to be spying on The Don, or did she quit that when she went to work for Ms. Hartford?

"She's a very busy girl
The kind you don't take to the Don now.
She will never let your spirits down,
Once you get her off the Mustang."

This is the "Bad Ideas" thread, no?

Bad Idea: That Poem.
Good Idea: Hurting the one who made that poem.

Sir Lee wrote: I think it has been confirmed to the readers (but not to the main characters) in "Sun & Fun".

whateleyacademy.net/index.php/stories/355-sun-and-fun

? What part of the story indicates that nimbus is Hekate's Master?

...

Colors Club - Buttercup, Red, Absinthe... Nacht? Who else?

Siblings club - For those with MassivelyNumberedSiblings (4+): Palantir, Ayla, etc.

Trio Tactics: A Class for groups of 3. TLW, Handmaid's Own, TNT, Furies, etc... Jade, Shroud + Tennyo?

*A complication that shouldn’t have happened, a mistake by someone who really should have known better.

That would be my guess. He was outlining Hekate's fall and following disgrace. All because she got greedy.

In more "Randomish ways to sort students":

Boys with single mothers... Or ex-boys, whatever: Fino, Knockoff, Roulette... Any others?

Girls with Single Fathers, or anyone with Single Fathers is a lot less represented? Single Fathers are rare in any case...

... Well, there's Lodestone, Glow and her sis... Generator... Solange... They are sorta worse off than their Gender-inverted counterparts?

Malady wrote: In more "Randomish ways to sort students":

Boys with single mothers... Or ex-boys, whatever: Fino, Knockoff, Roulette... Any others?

Girls with Single Fathers, or anyone with Single Fathers is a lot less represented? Single Fathers are rare in any case...

... Well, there's Lodestone, Glow and her sis... Generator... Solange... They are sorta worse off than their Gender-inverted counterparts?

Fey lived with her mother.

Jadis has a single father. I believe Julie Robinson had a single father.

Solange doesn't have a single father, but has a series of stepmothers or at least women her father is doing.

Beh... I can't decide; completely mundane reason for Amphora to end up in a pot (ie real bad accident) or should I do something nasty (an enhanced form of Necrotizing fastidious, or some other villain related), or split the difference (Super battle collateral). Throw in I'm thinking hat ever happens it happens on Karedonia.

[Mostly cause I wanna use the line "When in Karedonia, do as the Drow do. Or in my cause invert it by using the actress who played Elsa in Once Upon a time as a base then Elfing her out into a White on White Sexy Elf. I had been tempted to try and sex up the trolls from Frozen, but decided to save that later if someone took issue of me wearing a body paint bikini."]

Cryptic wrote: Beh... I can't decide; completely mundane reason for Amphora to end up in a pot (ie real bad accident) or should I do something nasty (an enhanced form of Necrotizing fastidious, or some other villain related), or split the difference (Super battle collateral). Throw in I'm thinking hat ever happens it happens on Karedonia.

[Mostly cause I wanna use the line "When in Karedonia, do as the Drow do. Or in my cause invert it by using the actress who played Elsa in Once Upon a time as a base then Elfing her out into a White on White Sexy Elf. I had been tempted to try and sex up the trolls from Frozen, but decided to save that later if someone took issue of me wearing a body paint bikini."]

Karedonia isn't likely. It's a vacation resort island. And while there aren't any rules against supervillaning per say.
They aren't supposed to bring any criminal activity there. So no using it to hide from heros.
And actively mad sciancing or mad magicking would be frowned on, as those things would endanger the locals. And not even heaven will help you if you do anything to endanger the locals.

EX-TER-MEN-ATE!!!

Karedonia basically has one rule: DON'T make Joe have to leave his lab to deal with you.

As such, I'd look into your third option, Super Battle Collateral, where some idiot villain ignored the above and Joe's forces put them down, hard.
Or... Soft, with the statement that as they broke the law, they've "volunteered" to be test subjects for Jobe....

Kaitha39 wrote: Karedonia basically has one rule: DON'T make Joe have to leave his lab to deal with you.

As such, I'd look into your third option, Super Battle Collateral, where some idiot villain ignored the above and Joe's forces put them down, hard.
Or... Soft, with the statement that as they broke the law, they've "volunteered" to be test subjects for Jobe....

I was thinking bar room brawl that gets way out of hand or some kind of serious disaster like a plane crash or boat running aground. Hmm, maybe some of Joe's sharks throw a short and go all Jaws on a cruise ship...

bergy wrote: Dude, it's so obvious! Now that Razorback has a music box with a tiny dancing elf, he will pursue his passion for ballet and perform for the rest of campus his version of The Nutcracker.

Jericho and Caitlin will play the part of the Sugarplum Fairies.

Someone should enchant that box so that the elf looks like Fey. Naked. Outcast corner has to defend the box from an outraged Fey.

Nah... she'd probably just give Razorback and kiss on the cheek and then tell him if anybody ever sees it he's going to wish he DIDN'T have regeneration.

I was playing around with that idea in my head and it comes to me that Pepper would probably not be able to see the image. Whahahahaha

Bad idea: Jade learns magic and becomes a real Magical Girl.

Worse idea: Jade overcomes her whatever (probably curse) and gains shape-shifting powers.

Worst idea: Both.

Isn't Razorback friends with Fey, and even have a bit of a crush on her? I don't see him getting Greasy to make him a naked Fey ballerina figure.

Ballerina's are, by definition, not naked.

They need their special shoes on to pirouette.

Angeldude wrote: Bad idea: Jade learns magic and becomes a real Magical Girl.

Worse idea: Jade overcomes her whatever (probably curse) and gains shape-shifting powers.

Worst idea: Both.

If you're not squeamish, you can read the story of Jet (one of the J-team) going nuts with shapeshifting in Tennyo goes to hell

Sir Lee wrote: You are all missing the point. Ayla pays extra-well for personal services because he's investing in people's loyalty. Personal servants have an inside track into their employers' lives, and Ayla is very aware that disgruntled servants are one of the biggest security weaknesses there are -- be it involving theft, industrial espionage, kidnapping or plain old malicious gossip.
So, he pays them well enough that right from the start they really, really don't want to lose this cushy gig. And treats them well enough so they don't become disgruntled.
At Whateley, there's an additional variable: Ayla is employing other students, that is, theoretically his social equals, to do menial jobs (laundry & cleaning in Jodi's case, waitressing in Jade's case). Any way you cut it, it adds a bit of class tension into the social relationship, that is, it's bound to generate a bit of resentment from his employees. One way to lessen the impact is to make the job really attractive. So he overpays Jodi more, proportionally, than he would overpay his maid outside Whateley.

Now, none of that dynamic applies to the Workshop guys. These are not doing menial work for Ayla; they are doing pretty much what they want to do the rest of their lives -- and Ayla is helping them what their work is worth. Ayla is not their employer; he's their customer, or patent agent, or money manager. He does not need to overpay them to make them happy; paying them fair market value is already much better than they are getting from other sources.

He is also doing them a service, in that he is getting them to value their own services/skills properly.

You have the "I'm just a student. This isn't worth that much." vibe, that he is actively combatting, which IIRC was one of the main ways that Devisors/Gadgeteers get ripped oof, and subsequently go Red-Card.

I have seen fresh graduates get exploited in exactly this manner in the tech field.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Angeldude wrote: Bad idea: Jade learns magic and becomes a real Magical Girl.

Worse idea: Jade overcomes her whatever (probably curse) and gains shape-shifting powers.

Worst idea: Both.

If you're not squeamish, you can read the story of Jet (one of the J-team) going nuts with shapeshifting in Tennyo goes to hell

Just reread TGTH. It's cool how many things she does in TGTH directly mirror things she does normally. I also find it interesting how even in that world where Shoggoth are normal, Jade's abilities are still impressive. I estimate that by the end, Jet is actually 1/12 of Jade. (5 splits normally, not counting Jet, so 6 with Jet, and then Jet splits and leaves half herself in hell.)

Jade's abilities are crazy and I'd like to see she with them completely in the main world; see what she would do with them when not in hell. Jet even predicts that her abilities could rival Jimmy T! There's also the question of whether her natural shapeshifting abilities would be able to alter her body structure on the organ or cell levels or if that was just part of the Hell of Flesh.

The real question is what would have to happen for Jade to unlock her true shapeshifting abilities and not just Jet?

Who boy... Amphora's origin is so becoming an example of Bad Idea:

Don't let a Boosterine addict into the legal brothel.
Don't do anything that might trigger a rager event. (Sorry, your favorite girl graduated collage and is now no longer working here...)
Don't let Jobe help put the pieces of the survivors back together...

Amphora's vase is now more like a fancy hermit crab's shell; something to protect her squishy body, but she can emerge from to reveal her slug girl like body.

Cryptic wrote: slug girl like body.

So low sodium diet?

NJM1564 wrote:

Cryptic wrote: slug girl like body.

So low sodium diet?

Nah. Shape may be slug like, but other then that there is no relationship to the slimy things. Do a search for Naga and Slug Girl FAQs. I'd link, but it's NSFW.

Cryptic wrote:

NJM1564 wrote:

Cryptic wrote: slug girl like body.

So low sodium diet?

Nah. Shape may be slug like, but other then that there is no relationship to the slimy things. Do a search for Naga and Slug Girl FAQs. I'd link, but it's NSFW.

Ah but rule of funny mandates to much salt has to have some effect. Perhaps have it work something like catnip.

NJM1564 wrote:

Cryptic wrote:

NJM1564 wrote:

Cryptic wrote: slug girl like body.

So low sodium diet?

Nah. Shape may be slug like, but other then that there is no relationship to the slimy things. Do a search for Naga and Slug Girl FAQs. I'd link, but it's NSFW.

Ah but rule of funny mandates to much salt has to have some effect. Perhaps have it work something like catnip.

good point. hmm, make it like chocolate is to Chaka?

NJM1564 wrote:

Cryptic wrote:

NJM1564 wrote:

Cryptic wrote: slug girl like body.

So low sodium diet?

Nah. Shape may be slug like, but other then that there is no relationship to the slimy things. Do a search for Naga and Slug Girl FAQs. I'd link, but it's NSFW.

Ah but rule of funny mandates to much salt has to have some effect. Perhaps have it work something like catnip.

In the winter she carries a bag of salt to get traction on the ice.

Ribbon in hostage rescue, she may be small and capable of sneaking around, and taking out perps but the problem comes when the hostages are counter productive to the rescue efforts... SOO many things that could go wrong... Would be an interestingly horrifying SIM.... being bulletproof doesn't help when the first instincts of some civilians is to jump in the way of the bullet to keep the cute and 'defenseless' little girl from being shot, or gush about the adorable savior who is trying not to attract the attention of armed guards for their own sake..

mhalpern wrote: Ribbon in hostage rescue, she may be small and capable of sneaking around, and taking out perps but the problem comes when the hostages are counter productive to the rescue efforts... SOO many things that could go wrong... Would be an interestingly horrifying SIM.... being bulletproof doesn't help when the first instincts of some civilians is to jump in the way of the bullet to keep the cute and 'defenseless' little girl from being shot, or gush about the adorable savior who is trying not to attract the attention of armed guards for their own sake..

Ribbon would be a great villain in hostage rescue.

NJM1564 wrote:

mhalpern wrote: Ribbon in hostage rescue, she may be small and capable of sneaking around, and taking out perps but the problem comes when the hostages are counter productive to the rescue efforts... SOO many things that could go wrong... Would be an interestingly horrifying SIM.... being bulletproof doesn't help when the first instincts of some civilians is to jump in the way of the bullet to keep the cute and 'defenseless' little girl from being shot, or gush about the adorable savior who is trying not to attract the attention of armed guards for their own sake..

Ribbon would be a great villain in hostage rescue.

Well the hostages would have trouble taking her seriously, though I suppose that she could pay the syndicate escape ensurance fees for the goons and walk away with the goodies WITH the hostages....

mhalpern wrote:

NJM1564 wrote:

mhalpern wrote: Ribbon in hostage rescue, she may be small and capable of sneaking around, and taking out perps but the problem comes when the hostages are counter productive to the rescue efforts... SOO many things that could go wrong... Would be an interestingly horrifying SIM.... being bulletproof doesn't help when the first instincts of some civilians is to jump in the way of the bullet to keep the cute and 'defenseless' little girl from being shot, or gush about the adorable savior who is trying not to attract the attention of armed guards for their own sake..

Ribbon would be a great villain in hostage rescue.

Well the hostages would have trouble taking her seriously, though I suppose that she could pay the syndicate escape ensurance fees for the goons and walk away with the goodies WITH the hostages....

You don't have to threaten the hostages just hold them captive. She was doing that to a lot of criminals back home. Sneak up behind them and cover there eyes before knocking them out and they never have to know it was her.
Though all of this more or less irreverent if it's a sim run.
And if she needed to make a bunch of holographic hostages take her seriously she could do it by exploding a cat by generating tones of ribbons in side of her. Though this could have bit set by the sim operators as set dressing before hand.

This would be good for a dark ribbon run. She could also have exploding ribbon filled pinatas. Get close and the ribbons explode out and tie them up. Ribbon grenades. Animated ribbon snakes. Giant animated ribbon animals.
Random Wondercute member: "Oh look at the pretty lion pinata." "Ack it ate jade."
Jade thinks to her self. "No problem I can get out of this easy."
(Turns out to be Sara in disguise.)

Dark Ribbon would be MUCH more subtle and deadly, because her parental instincts demand that she be nothing short of ruthless in such a sim to prepare her classmates for the worst. she would do her damn best to make sure they don't even know its her till its too late.

Someone switches Jerico and Jades outfits.

NJM1564 wrote: Someone switches Jerico and Jades outfits.

Jade blindfolds herself and goes the entire day with only Jann-vision just to not have to see the nauseous colours.

Someone (Cait) switches Jericho's and Gunny Bardue's golf clothes.

Wow... that... wow.

Valentine wrote: Someone (Cait) switches Jericho's and Gunny Bardue's golf clothes.

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No one notices.

Ah but wouldn't Jericho's golf clothes be a 3 peace Armani suit.

Only if he accessorized with a pink and puce tartan Scottish golf cap with neon orange and silver sparkly poof.

Bad Idea: Prohibit the use of graven images or photography in the worship of any deity, spirit, demon, or other that might have a paladin or avatar among the student body.

Worse Idea: Decide not to tell anyone in the student body which deities, etc. have a representative among the student body. Let them figure it out or convert to a more acceptable religion.

Solution: Call them all up (invocation, summoning, prayer, etc.) and ask them if they have or are planning to have a paladin or avatar on campus. The spirit of TPC probably does take telephone calls.

i.e.: War-dial the world's pantheons. What could go wrong?

null0trooper wrote: Bad Idea: Prohibit the use of graven images or photography in the worship of any deity, spirit, demon, or other that might have a paladin or avatar among the student body.

Worse Idea: Decide not to tell anyone in the student body which deities, etc. have a representative among the student body. Let them figure it out or convert to a more acceptable religion.

Solution: Call them all up (invocation, summoning, prayer, etc.) and ask them if they have or are planning to have a paladin or avatar on campus. The spirit of TPC probably does take telephone calls.

i.e.: War-dial the world's pantheons. What could go wrong?

We all know (or rather can reasonably presume) that that whole no worshiping another student's spirit thing, was more to avoid any perceived favoritism and to keep the students from feeling all high and mighty because of their followers than anything else. outside of the public shrines and such, there isn't any real way to enforce the rule, if they are being discreet, by keeping any of the more public ones from being set up, the likelihood of another avatar's or paladin's spirit of taking offense to a bias that favors another spirit is reduced, major spirits will have followers, and some will have students in Whateley as hosts, but its bad form to let it become too far off from neutral ground between those spirits

Katssun wrote: Only if he accessorized with a pink and puce tartan Scottish golf cap with neon orange and silver sparkly poof.

But those are normal golf clothes!

mhalpern wrote: We all know (or rather can reasonably presume) that that whole no worshiping another student's spirit thing, was more to avoid any perceived favoritism and to keep the students from feeling all high and mighty because of their followers than anything else.

But that's NOT how it was presented to the students - who are hormonal teenagers, NOT the paladins and avatars in contact with the spirits - most of them unaware of the reasons for Mrs. Carson's temper tantrum this time.

There will likely be a Discordian working in progress before Lady Astarte makes it back to the office.

mhalpern wrote: major spirits will have followers, and some will have students in Whateley as hosts, but its bad form to let it become too far off from neutral ground between those spirits

Again, remember that the followers are not the same people as the hosts, and they don't have a Pope or Imam to pass down ex cathedra directives like that.

mhalpern wrote: We all know (or rather can reasonably presume) that that whole no worshiping another student's spirit thing, was more to avoid any perceived favoritism and to keep the students from feeling all high and mighty because of their followers than anything else. outside of the public shrines and such, there isn't any real way to enforce the rule, if they are being discreet, by keeping any of the more public ones from being set up, the likelihood of another avatar's or paladin's spirit of taking offense to a bias that favors another spirit is reduced, major spirits will have followers, and some will have students in Whateley as hosts, but its bad form to let it become too far off from neutral ground between those spirits

Note that Mrs. Carson did NOT prohibit the worship of another student or their spirit.

Kayda 10.6 wrote: "I've had a few ... unusual requests, five this week alone," Mrs. Carson began bluntly. "Now while Whateley respects your freedom of religion, no-one, and I repeat, NO-ONE, is going to build any form of shrine, temple, altar, or any other worship or adoration space devoted to any other student or student's spirit, NO MATTER WHOSE SPIRIT THAT STUDENT MIGHT CARRY!" She scanned the audience, stopping specifically so she could glare at me, and then moved on to a few other select students, such as the New Olympians, Fey, and Chou. "Anyone who makes a request to erect such a worship space will be severely punished. Any avatar who requests or otherwise gives approval to devotees will be even more severely punished or expelled. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?"

She prohibited the building of shrines, temples, altars, or other spaces.

Hmmmm, I wonder if that applies to Sara's bed? I bet a lot of worshipping and adoration took place there.

BTW: what is Jet's status on campus?

Someone bets Jobe that she can't make money grow on trees. Jobe goes on a 2 hour rant about precise leaf patterns and fiber density, and sometime during the project, the International Monetary Fund places a contract hit on her.

They hire Belphegor.

Iwasforger03 wrote: They hire Belphegor.

Miasma would be cheaper and do a better job.

Katssun wrote: Someone bets Jobe that she can't make money grow on trees. Jobe goes on a 2 hour rant about precise leaf patterns and fiber density, and sometime during the project, the International Monetary Fund places a contract hit on her.

or... she just gets arrested for counterfeiting.

Or she might have some basic understanding of how money works and see that growing paper money would be a bad idea... but OTOH, engineering trees that extract precious metals from low-grade ore and concentrate them into nuggets inside their fruits... that might be worth doing.

Sir Lee wrote: OTOH, engineering trees that extract precious metals from low-grade ore and concentrate them into nuggets inside their fruits... that might be worth doing.

Geese. Then you also have a decent protein source, as brownfields tend to end up in areas where the locals could use one.

Hm. Use grasses and such for the initial concentration of the feedstock into soft edible seeds, and then to the avian step, then one can use the waste materials as fertilizer.

Sooo hate these ideas. So much Squick or MoralEventHorizon or something:

There has been implications that the TLW are gonna be involved with Danny, as said in their thread:

One of the TLW, I'm thinking Pally, 'cause HeroesWantRedheads, I guess... Anyway, she would be having sex with Danny and doing it to drain him for Essence.

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Crack-shipping Pally and Mugwump. 'Cause Ayla 9.6 :

[Mugwump] was glaring at Palantir. “You! Oh blight of my existence! Bane of my being!”

Palantir snarled, “Oh come off it, Mugwump. It was just that one time last night.”

Student walks in. "hi, my codename is Deus ex Machina, that's also my power... and I'm sure I'm going to love my 4 years here"

I'm a terrible person for even suggesting this, but who else wants to see Adore at the hot-tub mixer?

Arcanist Lupus wrote: I'm a terrible person for even suggesting this, but who else wants to see Adore at the hot-tub mixer?

Bring back Sara and have a Sara vs Adore game of one-uppsmanship

Team Awesome, plus Ribbon, get tapped by the Sim team for a hostage rescue scenario.

As the hostages.

Lol, I can just imagine this including a Zeta track team as their hostage takers.

Unknown to the students, this is a Zeta team crash Sim, Team Awesome is supposed to go nuts and escape, leading to Zeta team and Outcasts racing to find Team Awesome.

Team Awesome is Sara in disguise.

Rose Bunny wrote: Bring back Sara and have a Sara vs Adore game of one-uppsmanship

Not a game of one-uppmanship. A game of howmany-uppmenship. As in, compete to see how many men they get "up."

Not horrible ideas, but ...

Note to Self: Ribbon, Cinderella, Iron Rose, Roulette, Aegis, StarLiteBrite are in the same BMA class as Jensen&Jensen

There's got to be an entertaining match in all that.


Ribbon's in the same Costume Shop class as Metro.

What would it take/cost to bribe Circe and Mrs. Rogers into not saying a word to Mrs. Ryan about a magician who has practical experience with tactical clothing and a spell that specifically transforms clothing?