Question The Bad Ideas thread

One (or more) of the Three Little Witches coming to work in the Mystic Arts Department.

TTLW + Imp = Run!!!

In Gen 2's time frame, Karedonia releases its first children's book: The Adventures of Polly Peptide

...and her friends Polly Saccharide and Polly Carbonate? Along with their younger sisters, Dee Saccharide and Mona Peptide?

Make a cuttlefish costume for Fubar.

NJM1564 wrote: Make a cuttlefish costume for Fubar.

Yeah, but do you really want him to end up fighting Science Ninja Team Gatchaman?

(Sadly, only the rather weak US version was available, but since this is the version I grew up with, I personally don't mind too much. Sue me. Better than nothing.)


Of course, it could be... well, not worse, but weirder and more NSFW:

Schol-R-LEA wrote:

NJM1564 wrote: Make a cuttlefish costume for Fubar.

Yeah, but do you really want him to end up fighting Science Ninja Team Gatchaman?

Fifty bucks on Fubar for the win.

Another stupid non-Whateley idea:
A mega-crossover between Lassie, Flipper, Salty the Seal, Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion, Tarzan's Cheetah, Gentle Ben and the great-great-grandson of Rin Tin- in ((since RTT is 19th-century character, so a descendant as in "Kung Fu: The Legend Continues"). It could be set in the early Seventies, and the villain could be Benji.

Sir Lee wrote: Another stupid non-Whateley idea:
A mega-crossover between Lassie, Flipper, Salty the Seal, Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion, Tarzan's Cheetah, Gentle Ben and the great-great-grandson of Rin Tin- in ((since RTT is 19th-century character, so a descendant as in "Kung Fu: The Legend Continues"). It could be set in the early Seventies, and the villain could be Benji.

I haven't seen "Daktari" in ages!

Let's make the villain "Ben" and his army of rodent compatriots...

Throw in a little of the NHIM series with hyperitellegent rodents.

We already have an army of robot opera playing mice.

Give Razerback and the outcasts Alien (Xenomorph) costumes and run a sim along side Sara against everyone.

NJM1564 wrote: Give Razerback and the outcasts Alien (Xenomorph) costumes and run a sim along side Sara against everyone.

Sara didn't need the outcasts to go all Aliens on the Grunts in The OP.

NJM1564 wrote: We already have an army of robot opera playing mice.

Don't be silly. Robot mice play Jazz, everyone knows that!

Astrodragon wrote:

NJM1564 wrote: We already have an army of robot opera playing mice.

Don't be silly. Robot mice play Jazz, everyone knows that!

Frogs. Frogs are big on jazz.

Frogs are more into ragtime, although they have been known to explore various genres, including opera:

Thank you for giving me an idea on what to change my aliens to! Ether 'frogs' or non Fire alligned 'salamanders', Or carnivoris rabbits.

Avatar sent into the sewers of the school and picking up a turtle/kappa spirit.

"Flash Inapan" - A mutant who activates their warper ability, and instantly gains superspeed/acceleration (equal to The Flash or Quicksilver). Basically at time-dilation levels. Their power exponentially decays rapidly, so their peak superspeed maybe lasts about 10-25 feet if they started moving immediately. It continues to decay until they are back to normal speed over the course of 30 minutes, and maybe even goes just below their normal unpowered state. Their warping ability resets at that point, allowing them to do it again.

Katssun wrote: "Flash Inapan" - A mutant who activates their warper ability, and instantly gains superspeed/acceleration (equal to The Flash or Quicksilver). Basically at time-dilation levels. Their power exponentially decays rapidly, so their peak superspeed maybe lasts about 10-25 feet if they started moving immediately. It continues to decay until they are back to normal speed over the course of 30 minutes, and maybe even goes just below their normal unpowered state. Their warping ability resets at that point, allowing them to do it again.

Very usefull if timed right. Sensi Io will love him.

Jade will love this.
www.techpowerup.com/258741/yeston-reveal...traight-out-of-manga

Using a deck of Magic the Gathering cards to disguise your prepared spell cards.

Then using them in a game.

Cryptic wrote: Using a deck of Magic the Gathering cards to disguise your prepared spell cards.

Then using them in a game.

This would be relatively safe.

The spells are only released when they are explicitly set off.

Minor problem would be if someone watches the game with Mage's Eyes, and sees that one player's cards are registered as magically active.

Might cause accusations of cheating, which in turn would out the use of the technique.

Razerback/Diamondback feed/buffet.

Cryptic wrote: Using a deck of Magic the Gathering cards to disguise your prepared spell cards.

Then using them in a game.

And using them to play chess in Magic the Gathering - yes that is possible if unlikely, arstechnica.com/science/2019/06/its-poss...magic-the-gathering/

An Underdog who's powers make their excament... They shit bricks. plain and simple.

Cryptic wrote: An Underdog who's powers make their excament... They shit bricks. plain and simple.

That's one uptight puppy!

null0trooper wrote:

Cryptic wrote: An Underdog who's powers make their excament... They shit bricks. plain and simple.

That's one uptight puppy!

And now as an added bonus I'm picturing him as a puppy boy.

The avatar of the cool S.

A Sidhe (or other 5FC race) as your child's God parent.

Cryptic wrote: A Sidhe (or other 5FC race) as your child's God parent.

I dunno about that. Nikki might be too over the top, but Gwen would be an awesome Godmom.

The Burnout Tales.

An effort to properly display the statistics of burnout. A character is introduced and developed. The character then manifests, goes into burnout, and dies. Repeat several times.

I've been engorging on way too much Madoka recently (Magia Record in English is partly to blame, as well as Her recent birthday celebration) so naturally I've been imagining crossovers with nearly every other series I know, including Whateley.

Jade would absolutely love it and yet she probably wouldn't even be eligible because she already sold her soul. At the same time, she's about as unkillable as a meguca already, and through surprisingly similar mechanisms.

Going the other way, Madoka (especially post-ascension) would fit right in. That said, she'd probably be as terrifying as Fey and Tennyo combined. (High level wizard and empath like Fey, and cosmic annihilator to rival Tennyo.) Honestly half the fun would be everyone's reactions to yet another goddess on their hands. There are probably a few people on campus who could use help to justify her presence.

I actually wrote a micro in which Screech and Maladicta summoned Kyuubey (in the Discussion thread , I explain that it was probably an Infernal demon which had only taken the form of Kyuubey), only to have Eldritch stop them before they could sign anything.

I think I have come up, during my lunch, with an idea for a physics theory that is ridiculous and wonky (not to mention that it relies in both agreeing and rejecting Einsteinian relativity at once, and requires creative misunderstanding of most modern Physics) enough to be worthy of a devisor. Possibly usable by Buck Swift, Boy of Wednesday Afternoon, weather permitting. I'm offering it free and gratis for anyone to use in fiction, as long as they call it "Lee's quantum aether hypothesis".

It goes like this:
- Physicists are looking for "dark matter" everywhere but having a hard time finding it.
- Michelson and Morley disproved the existence of the luminiferous aether back int the XIX century. They did that by trying to detect the relative motion between their test rig and the aether -- only they failed every time, suggesting that the aether did not exist, In order to allow for the possibility that the "aether wind" might by coincidence be blowing in the exact same direction and speed as their test rig, they turned the workbench, repeated the experiment at various times during the day, various times during the year etc.
- What if... Michelson and Morley were wrong? What if the aether exists, but it's just hiding? That might account for the missing "dark matter."
- What I mean by "hiding" is that it exists in a state of quantum superposition of all possible states of motion, like Schroedinger's cat, but when you send a light photon through it, it collapses locally into the state that is static relative to the local frame of reference. After the photon passes, it goes back to the quantum superposition state.

So, Dark Matter is like the last pickle in the jar; the harder you try to get a grip on it, the more elusive it becomes, its elusiveness fueled by our frantic search?

I'm not sure that Lee's quantum aether hypothesis is inconsistent with current observations.

The whole point about Dark Energy is that there are no observations.
Just inferences.
So far, its modern day phlogiston

What would happen if after Jobe creates a few more drow, one or more of them comes to crave being pregnant!?

That's an odd question. Do you mean that she yearns a child and so wants to get pregnant once, or does she wants to be pregnant all the time?

For the first case, all that would be required would be a genetically-compatible sperm donor. I assume that Jobe wanted his "perfect wife" to be able to carry his offspring, so the Drow are likely to be able to interbreed with humans with no problems. However, there's the small matter of that "fidelity-ensuring feature" Jobe built in the Drow design, which would likely make that Drow sexually addicted to the sperm donor. Which could be a problem.

For the second case... well, I don't think Jobe would introduce anything to the Drow genome to make such an obsession any more likely. So it is really a matter of this particular Drow having this sort of fetishistic thing for pregnancy.

would it be worse if Jobe made it, or Petshop?

Petshop scares me much more than Jobe. Jobe is arrogant and overconfident, but at least she realizes that if she screws up there could be bad consequences. I have seen no evidence that Petshop even understands what consequences are.

Don't worry. If he makes anything to bad Sara will get a free lunch.

Codename
if you ask a Venus Inc. member Air brush
if you ask her; Graffiti
Manifester 2 TK 1e
generates a spray of pigment from any part of her body. Wants to be the next Banksy.

Not sure if I posted this or not, but I just rediscovered my note about it:

J Pop or K-Pop singer always seen with a surgical mask on. Most think it is just part of their bit, but in truth it is covering their gsd, which is their mouth is gone Powers are sound manipulation and the ability to sustain herself by draining energy.

Giving in and making a n energizer who has flight and a gds mutation that leaves them looking like a deer/human hybrid.

Glowing red nose too?

Sir Lee wrote: Glowing red nose too?

I was thinking laser blast nose so yes.

Tidestriker learning martial Tia Chi, to integrate with his TK.

Cryptic wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: Glowing red nose too?

I was thinking laser blast nose so yes.

Codename: Rudolph.

Sir Lee wrote:

Cryptic wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: Glowing red nose too?

I was thinking laser blast nose so yes.

Codename: Rudolph.

I was thinking that was his given name.

Oh and he crash landed on his grandmother while coming in for a landing.

Combat Finals crash pairing - Team Awesome (cira winter 2007) vs the Village Irregulars (Karma et al, cira winter 2016)

Has anyone in the Workshop asked if Moebius could make a real "bottomless" coffee cup?

He probably could -- but then, how would you fill it?

Although that could be an interesting prank... appears to be a regular mug, but there's a small drain to an extradimensional fifty-litre container. Victim fills mug, takes a sip, rests it on the counter, next sip it's already half empty. Third try, it's empty. Victim thinks they must be really thirsty, refills it... rinse and repeat.

But it would be a really dangerous prank too. Devisors do NOT take well people messing with their coffee.

Like the beer glass with the miniaturized transfer module at the bottom in "Flatlander"?

At least I think it was "Flatlander", though it could have been one of the other Beowulf Schaeffer stories such as "Grendel", or even at the very beginning of "Borderland of Sol", It's been years since I've read them.

Probably a lot less salty than Utgard-Loki's mead horn, at least.



Now that I think of it, it was probably "Borderland", which began with Bey on Jinx, drinking away the fact that Sharrol - who had Flatland Phobia and so was stuck on Earth, where population-control laws made it impossible for an albino such as Schaeffer to get a procreation license - was temporarily married with Carlos Wu to get around the eugenics issue.

Of course, when Larry "consistency, what is that?" Niven decided to make a fix-up story (as a framing device for the anthology book Crashlander) to get around the many, many problems with the series, he chose to have them go on the run because the ARM (and specifically Agent Ausfallader) were getting antsy about Bey knowing too many important government secrets. In order to make this work, he had Sharrol, along with their kids Tanya and Louis - yes, that Louis Wu, who was only a toddler and so wouldn't recall any of this later - travel to the newly repopulated Home (the most Earth-like of the colony worlds) in cold sleep, meaning that all of this heartache was sort of pointless since they could now have as many kids together as they liked.

I seem to recall that the cold sleep option had been mentioned in an earlier story, actually, but if memory serves, the problem was finding a place which wasn't so literally unearthly that she would be constantly freaking out - even Wunderland had too many differences for her to cope with, apparently - so there was still some ass-pull in doing it this way.

I had that request for Moebius when i was drinking my first coffee of the day, and complaining that the mug didn't hold enough...

I believe the endless beer glass first appeared in Flatlander, given to BS by Elephant. The story where they end up managing to destroy an indestructible GP hull...

How about Mob team up with Jericho and apply his tech to medical storage of things like blood, saline.

Urine and Feces.

The latter two quickly adopted by workshoppers so that they don't have to stop for bathroom breaks or change after getting so in the zone they loose all awareness of anything other the what they're working on.

Reincarnated/student who remembers a past life of a historic Amazon, having a bitch fest about the clique Amazons.

Bonus points if they are male in their current life.

Schol-R-LEA wrote: Bonus points if they are male in their current life.

For some dumb reason I got a bit bored trying to think of a power based solely in biology and ended up looking at various old ideas including hydralisks... Long story short I figured out what I am slightly worried is a means of biological synthesis of Octol based on the formation of carbon chains in certain invertebrate's proteins, and ended up with three-stage mineralized spines that act as doubled up shaped charges (IE Tandem-warhead style) and the rest of the... 'case' fragments along the carbon and silicon-boron material comprising the rest of the barbed spine... The issue being the character is easily startled...
Possible humor, issues due to anti-tank weapons growing out of their flesh, also due to the *weird* dietary issues they would have, and most of all? the fact they would need to sweat out acetic acid... Also seriously Ammonium should not be tasty, but it would be. Dietary-speaking they would probably end up eating nitrate fertilizer as it contains one of the most essential parts of said biochemistry for the... 'nodules' covering their skin. I was thinking changer that almost turns itself inside out, either looks like a girl, or something from the tyranid's codex.
Mostly because it would be significantly funny if their response to being startled is to revert to 'combat form' and spray a mix of nitric acid, and borosilicate scales everywhere, or launch AT-spines.
Either glass and acid, or an RPG warhead.
... The issue is my muse tends to have the same hyper-focus issues, and uhhh... Apparently does not understand the concept of 'collateral damage' or 'overkill'.
Or that no organism I can think of could feed those energy requirements, that the mechanism is fragging insane from an evolution standpoint, that we couldn't come up with a mechanism to reduce damage from close-proximity to high explosives, or a better one for shrapnel then carbon-chain borosilicate nodule scales, or that there are, and as far as I know never have been any predators on earth that need a tandem warhead to kill. but then my muse insists the cute cold-blooded (literally of course) lizard girl who blows everything up when startled would be fun to write...
So much property damage...

Oh... and considering the composition of those spines? When she sheds they are going to need an EOD squad. Octol does not naturally decay as far as I know though the monomer-ester compound it's bonded with in this case reacts explosively to impacts... She sheds UXB hazards once a year.

I'm sure i remember reading that the wargaming club was barred from letting Jimmy T know about the Tyranid Sourcebook.

While on the Discord, I had a wonderful Bad Idea for Gen 2: Midori-Twi (Senji Akibahara - hey, I'm being silly, OK?), a (sometimes) male Japanese Exemplar with PK hair powers and who Impresses on the character of Tail Red from Gonna be the Twintail! . This has so much creepy potential to it, really (though maybe not quite as over the top as in the actual show he's so fascinated by). I can only imagine how the likes of Tiff Lock and her brother Squalling will react to that, never mind Billie (should she happen to hear about this student from another alumna).

Better still, I don't think we've heard who the Gen 2 Ping Pong's roommate in Melville is, and given that the series was running in 2012, it would be the right timing for a junior who manifested around then... But then, as an RA, Kelly probably has a single, so that's not likely. Former roommates, maybe.

ShinyRock wrote: as far as I know never have been any predators on earth that need a tandem warhead to kill.

Not on this Earth, but the WU is one that has a predator for Demons and other class X nasty, as well as GOO (Tennyo)

ShinyRock wrote: Possible humor, issues due to anti-tank weapons growing out of their flesh, also due to the *weird* dietary issues they would have, and most of all? the fact they would need to sweat out acetic acid... Also seriously Ammonium should not be tasty, but it would be.

Many Europeans would disagree . Icelanders as well.

ShinyRock wrote: Dietary-speaking they would probably end up eating nitrate fertilizer as it contains one of the most essential parts of said biochemistry for the... 'nodules' covering their skin.

How much is she producing? Proteins are composed of amino acids; if the process can filter urea from the blood, that would take a load off the kidneys. Even better if it can use trimethylamine N-oxide (the reason greenland shark can't be eaten fresh)!

null0trooper wrote: How much is she producing? Proteins are composed of amino acids; if the process can filter urea from the blood, that would take a load off the kidneys. Even better if it can use trimethylamine N-oxide (the reason greenland shark can't be eaten fresh)!

Ohhh that's a good idea... There are plenty of things the kidneys take care of that could be useful...
That said? looking over my chemistry, the TNT part seems a bit... off? It COULD work but would be way less efficient then just using HMX directly after synthesis. It's not like I need it to be meta-castable. So Octogen is it I guess. Still very nasty in it's own right though it's a bit too stable in some ways.
Wait... If I am reading this right I think it might end up with the exact composition of the metallic-content differing with her diet, in which case it could end up as anything from an iron-copper composite (the standard) to heavy metals, or even lanthanides. Mostly because the only way I can see for the... Volatile chemical processes to not totally screw over her cells genetics would be if they had insane auto-correct. Hence the quad-helix based DNA, and the high-carbon proteins in the blood from the bone marrow to sponge up any chemicals that get out of place.
Could likely eat most anything, but also would be immune to most forms of medication and would require some really odd neurotransmitters. Also brown-black blood due to high copper content in cell membranes to form protective oxide shell to keep the acidic compounds needed in her blood from killing her cells. Red + statue-of-liberty-green (that IS copper oxide after all...) would be a sorta dark brown to black color I think? also would dry black.
Also you are very right, her blood would probably need to contain that Trimethylamine N-oxide what with the ammonium content, and acidity to prevent proteins from unfolding.
...
Gods her blood is both fascinating, and toxic. Also mildly corrosive (think drain-cleaner, but more of a chemical soup) , and a moderate contact irritant.
... Also her blood would smell like drain-cleaner (paraformaldehyde, Acetic anhydride and Lots of ammonium family chemicals)

ShinyRock wrote: Red + statue-of-liberty-green (that IS copper oxide after all...)

It's dicopper chloride trihydroxide (verdigris, or (Cu₂(OH)₃Cl)). Away from salty water, copper carbonate hydroxide ( Cu₂CO₃ (OH)₂ or malachite) is favored.

The oxides are red (Cu₂O) or black (CuO) (You'll see lots of green in Googled Images where the surface of a copper oxide specimen has been weathered, i.e., CO₂ + H₂O for the win.

tl,dr: added organic copper is likely to look like sludge

So probably thick brown blood that smells like drain cleaner.and acetic acid. Would you say it would be like the color of burnt chocolate, or more like dissolved rust?
In either case the chemical components, high salinity of the blood, and acidity would result in the copper bonding with H2O probably.
I kinda like the idea of burnt-orange blood, as it's wonderfully alien, and for the character I have in mind will likely trigger a panic attack since wanting to fit in with her family was such a driving factor. This is going to be !!FUN!!

ShinyRock wrote: So probably thick brown blood that smells like drain cleaner.and acetic acid. Would you say it would be like the color of burnt chocolate, or more like dissolved rust?
In either case the chemical components, high salinity of the blood, and acidity would result in the copper bonding with H2O probably.

Carbonate and chloride are the major anions measured in some blood analyses, so I'd lean toward chocolate. That doesn't mean that the skin will be the same color when the light bounces off capillaries, so...

ShinyRock wrote: I kinda like the idea of burnt-orange blood, as it's wonderfully alien, and for the character I have in mind will likely trigger a panic attack since wanting to fit in with her family was such a driving factor. This is going to be !!FUN!!

When in doubt, the Rule of Cool applies.

I was binging on the Hobbit and LotR movies this week and the "That's not an Elf Maid" scene has me wanting to toss in a Sidhe who is physically like Phase and Peacock, not sure about mentally at the moment. Not sure how or why yet either.

I wrote a micro-scene recently about how much Tolkein might have known about the Sundering. As for a female looking Sidhe with male genitals... a lot of the movie elves were so feminine looking that you might not know, either way.

Rose Bunny wrote: a lot of the movie elves were so feminine looking that you might not know, either way.

And then came Vaarsuvius!

Rose Bunny wrote: I wrote a micro-scene recently about how much Tolkein might have known about the Sundering. As for a female looking Sidhe with male genitals... a lot of the movie elves were so feminine looking that you might not know, either way.

That micro is part of the reason I'm on th binge.


Oh... alien virus maybe...

This conversation brings two things to mind.

First, the various similar debates about whether female dwarfs have beards (or exist at all), and how a non-dwarf would tell them apart (Pterry implied that Dwarf courtship on the Disc mostly consisted of getting to know the other one well enough that they reveal their sex to you...).

Second, the 'Cottonwine Field Notes' entry in Jay Naylor's "The Fall of Little Red Riding Hood" (very NSFW - but if you know who Naylor is, you could have guessed that already), in which the feminizing aspects of 'cottonwine' are discussed; one of the pictures is of a feminized male elf.

Maybe I'll just throw in a reincarnated (mislabeled?) dwarf, I an rethinking room assignments as I'm not really seeing a reason anymore for throwing one into Poe. Or have some Devisor or Mage brew some of that wine somehow.

If this is taking place around 2007, make sure that Elle Ruud and Durnir's host - whoever he happens to be, since the epilogue of "Dawn of the Aurora" never gave our young Swede's name - gets tangled up in their life in some way, even if it isn't deliberate.

Mot so much a bad idea but one don't have a place for at the moment, and needs some more refinement.

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Manifester with conditional abilities: he can only create something he's seen in a book. The more complex an item is the less time it stays manifested. Ironma's suit, maybe 5 minutes, Gimlie's ax, a week. Magical effects don't come with the item: Elf stones would just be pretty rocks.

What about devisor effects? I mean, Iron Man's suit would almost certainly be a devise -- at the very least due to the power source and repulsor beams. Does it come with all devisor impossible-science add-ons or does he get just a very well-made suit of armor with some decorations that don't work?

I don't see any discussion of Elf Stones going any more maturely than the last time you brought up that topic , Cryptic.

Schol-R-LEA wrote: I don't see any discussion of Elf Stones going any more maturely than the last time you brought up that topic , Cryptic.

Unless elves can catch COVID-19, their stones should be fine.

Thought of that after I posted, Sir Lee. Thus the needs refinement comment
Thinking "he get just a very well-made suit of armor with some decorations that don't work"

As for Sidhe and Covid I'd think they're just different enough to either be immune or it ends up a 1% survival rate.

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Another idea that came to me;

Bio-gadgeteer creates a daughter for themselves, maybe deliberately, maybe by accident, but she's something a hybrid of a gorilla and something off the Homo evolutionary tree or human. Not sure where to go from there, or even if it should go anywhere.
Idea spawned from the Sigma Force book Bone Labyrinth.

Maybe have a hobbit-like boy with a bad attitude show up in Gen 2, followed by someone having the 'brilliant idea' to introduce him to Kareela? Given Essemelle's power, and whatever the boy in question can do, said wannabee matchmaker is likely to be in a world of hurt shortly afterwards.

Though to be honest, the main reason I am bringing this idea up is because the boy in question would be complaining that they wouldn't let him use the codenames 'Sod Trenchfoot' or 'Dildo Bugger'. Fortunately his family have money, so he's now planning to negotiate for the rights to another suitable name owned by one R. Burlew....

(Though 'Markoff Chaney' is also on his purchasing list if that one doesn't pan out.)

Not a bad idea really, just frustrating from a writer's stand point:

Rewriting the character's family tree cause you realized that you tried to cram to much into it and the family tree alone set off the Mary Sue warning bells. And then being hit with the writer's block.

Animan mutant + Chimeric Trait Acquisition + human DNA

Good idea: When doing a 'Reminds them of such and such actress' make sure your character is not named after a character that the actress played.

Cryptic wrote: Good idea: When doing a 'Reminds them of such and such actress' make sure your character is not named after a character that the actress played.

Elf stones? That any relation to the "The Balls of the Elves" manga?
Edit: I'd post a link to the manga but it's kinda Ecchi. Oh what the hell. mangakakalot.com/read-hl7yt158504917104

NJM1564 wrote: Elf stones? That any relation to the "The Balls of the Elves" manga?

NJM1564 wrote: Elf stones? That any relation to the "The Balls of the Elves" manga?
Edit: I'd post a link to the manga but it's kinda Ecchi. Oh what the hell. mangakakalot.com/read-hl7yt158504917104

No. Wiki that explains them.

Bad idea: an Avatar with the Spirit of the Anomalocaris.

Ugh, I hate my imagination sometimes:

What if Pucelle really is the reincarnation of Joan of Arc... and Bravo is the reincarnation of Gilles de Rais.

Eeew.

Avatar with a fertility spirit... on campus.

We sort of have seen that before, with one of the spirits Heyoka channeled. And arguably with Cytherea, though she's not really seen as a fertility goddess as such...

I think there has been at least one other mentioned before, but I can't recall whom.

An Australian super team made up entirely of Sidhe, calling themselves Fair Dinkum . I suspect Koala - sorry, Spider - would hate them passionately.

Bad idea: We already have scary-ass mage, scary-ass avatars out the whazoo, and scary-ass devisors, so why not a scary-ass manifestor?

Personally I like the idea where her weakness is when her projections dissipate, she get's all of what they saw as photographic memory, this unfortunately causes chronic migraines.
The summons themselves? based on her minions from a Tabletop RPG, likely based on the Emerald Legion from a game I played but... less nasty.
I mean the Emerald's had the Armager class superheavy assault bot and... Well if you know what a Hellbore is, picture a more practical version involving a magnetic klein bottle, a fusion reaction, and a rail gun.
Now give it four barrels to get around the horrendous overheating issue along with ferrofluid rails. Sure the projectile lasts maybe one tenth of a second before destabilizing in a 5-30 ton detonation (depending on reactor output)
But it also has damn near zero mass since it's a Helium-4 reaction. So it's going about 40% of c, and at that speed 1/10th of a second is very relative. It would destabilize from compression on contact with a solid object resulting in a cascade failure from said location- and that takes a little time, resulting in what is effectively a fusion-powered shaped charge.
So... Emerald is a bit OP (halfway between 40k and Starcraft tech level... We got creative.) So probably need to tone it down a bit since the assault transport carries 4 of the buggers along with 12 spider-tanks, 24 transports 6 gunships, and 547 assorted infantry.
And that's just the MK I's
The less said about the MK III on the better. (if it can be mistaken for Necron tech, it's not allowed)
A bit too over-powered but a fun idea.

Anomolocarus could be fun... not sure how it would work though.

ShinyRock wrote: Bad idea: We already have scary-ass mage, scary-ass avatars out the whazoo, and scary-ass devisors, so why not a scary-ass manifestor?

How about a Manifestor-1 who never learned he could only make one type of stuff?

Schol-R-LEA wrote: We sort of have seen that before, with one of the spirits Heyoka channeled. And arguably with Cytherea, though she's not really seen as a fertility goddess as such...

I think there has been at least one other mentioned before, but I can't recall whom.

Well she isn't an Avatar, but there is a baby GOO centered around lust, does that count?

null0trooper wrote:

ShinyRock wrote: Bad idea: We already have scary-ass mage, scary-ass avatars out the whazoo, and scary-ass devisors, so why not a scary-ass manifestor?

How about a Manifestor-1 who never learned he could only make one type of stuff?

Depends upon what you mean as stuff.

If you mean a single material, then the examples of Beltane, and Robert Rose,who are only able to manifest ectoplasm, but it's what they do with it that counts.

Ribbon, and Porcelain, also spring to mind.

Mister D wrote:

null0trooper wrote:

ShinyRock wrote: Bad idea: We already have scary-ass mage, scary-ass avatars out the whazoo, and scary-ass devisors, so why not a scary-ass manifestor?

How about a Manifestor-1 who never learned he could only make one type of stuff?

Depends upon what you mean as stuff.

Machine oil, lockpicks, makeup, simple blades... useful things that don't have to persist once they're more than a few cm away. Practice may be needed, but most powers require that.

Silly idea: a slight, waifish manifestor/devisor/regen with resistance to both heavy metals and ionizing radiation, with the ability to manifest simple metal tools (note that i don't specify the metals... she doesn't really want people to know some of the ones she can create) which can last up to five hours but only so long as it is within three meters of her.

As a joke, she asks for the codename 'Die' (as in a die for casting metal), figuring that the disconnect between her name and her appearance would be amusing. She plays coy as to why she's called that, hinting that she has some incredibly dangerous power (she does, but it has to do with those types of metals she won't admit she can manifest).

I expect that you can guess how this backfires.

Bit of a tragic idea I had when writing and an "If you were molested by (Clergy/Scout Leader" comercial was on:
M2F changeling. who's chang could be possibly traced back to their belief that "Only girls get raped."

Cryptic wrote: Bit of a tragic idea I had when writing and an "If you were molested by (Clergy/Scout Leader" comercial was on:
M2F changeling. who's chang could be possibly traced back to their belief that "Only girls get raped."

I can see where you are coming from, and it might work... as small part of a more extensive exploration of a royally messed-up character raised by very strict, possibly abusive (not necessarily in the sexual way) nineteen-century minds. By itself, however, I think it would be feel... I don't know... simplistic? Cheap?
What I mean is that this would be the sort of thing that would come after extensive therapy -- and let's keep in mind that "mindset influencing the nature of the mutation" is at best an unproven hypothesis, so it's not like Dr. Bellows (who is a competent psychiatrist) would fixate on "whatever caused you to change into a girl". The real story would be how the character rises above the mindfuckery she grew up with, perhaps even more than overcoming the trauma of sexual abuse.

I suppose this is a good place to gauge what the temperament of the forum is...my bad idea is the one I based my old story, "Maisy Gets Schooled" on: One of Whateley Academy's more successful alumni, an inventor/devisor with a flare for robots, wills some of his old property to the Academy. While excavating it for additional school renovations, they find one of his old labs and, inside it, a sentient A.I. android named "Maisy," seemingly a prototype version of the long-lost robot heroine he was best known for creating. In order to keep his daughter, who inherited the company he founded, from dismantling her for study, Maisy blackmails her by pointing out "Why would a genius inventor make an anatomically-accurate robot in the shape of a pre-teen girl..?" then threatens to upload his "private stash" to the Internet if so much as a bolt is unscrewed on her. Caught between a company-killing scandal and one of the most advanced and potentially profitable single pieces of technology on the planet, the daughter is fortunately spared by the intervention of Headmistress Carson, who offers to enroll Maisy as a student and allow the daughter's scientists to study her non-destructively so long as Maisy keeps her true A.I. nature hidden, since it IS a school full of potential mad scientists far less scrupulous than the daughter.

There's other revelations later about Maisy's full capabilities and whether the victims of her creator were actually even from this universe, but that's later story stuff...TL, DR version: a dead pedophile's former robot sexdoll blackmails her way into attending Whateley in the hopes of proving she's more than "a glorfied wanksock for a sexual predator" at the risk of exposing herself to teenage supervillains-in-training itching to get control of a sentient A.I. in a superpowered chassis.

Some might be squicked, but I'd read it.

Well, a week and the only response so far is "I'd read it," I consider that a positive sign..? OK, one a little more severe...

IDEA: a child in an abusive home situation manifests and pretty much monstrously flares out at an abnormally early age, like 6, and brutally murders (and eats most of) all present, including their family...thing is, they end up a GSD case so severe that they're mistaken for their own mother and is tried as an adult of multiple cases of first-degree murder and cannibalism (can you be convicted for that?), only narrowly escaping the death penalty due to being obviously out of their mind at the time. About a decade later, their mother's actual corpse is found; she'd been murdered by her husband, likely the child's stepfather, shortly before they manifested (and may have been the trigger for it) which is why there was no sign of her body at the crime scene. Realizing that the GSD case is actually only 14 years old, and taking into account that they've been a relatively model prisoner (especially for a mass-murdering cannibal, albeit one who was apparently pushed past their breaking point at the time), they're is given a probationary release and turned over to Whateley, since the school would likely be the only place that could salvage their life after the gross miscarriage of justice inflicted upon them.

So...thoughts, corrections, ideas?

Heckfire wrote: thing is, they end up a GSD case so severe that they're mistaken for their own mother

What does their mother look like?

GSD refers solely to alterations outside the human base state. Novel color palettes, extra organs or appendages, scales or claws -- these are GSD. Enhanced muscular development, facial reconstruction, regenerative repairs, or, yes, gender reassignment are considered base state alterations within the norm.

null0trooper wrote: What does their mother look like?

Not like a 6-year-old child, that's for damn sure...the character I had in mind ended up becoming an 8-foot-tall adult "minotauress" (original version of the character was also intersexed, but I'm debating if I wanna go that route or not...that's why I'm leaving the child's original sex vague for now), which is why they were confused for their mother, since adult manifestations DO happen (see also: Eldrich, Hive, someone named Ribbon who I still need to read up on...) and the minotauress looked more like her than the child. I suppose the question of where the child went might also be up in the air, but that might be who they were expecting to find when they found the mother's actual body.

...for the record, the actual reason for the manifestation is something to be revealed in the story, so in case I write it, I'm not saying it here.

Heckfire wrote:

null0trooper wrote: What does their mother look like?

Not like a 6-year-old child, that's for damn sure...the character I had in mind ended up becoming an 8-foot-tall adult "minotauress" (original version of the character was also intersexed, but I'm debating if I wanna go that route or not...that's why I'm leaving the child's original sex vague for now), which is why they were confused for their mother, since adult manifestations DO happen (see also: Eldrich, Hive, someone named Ribbon who I still need to read up on...) and the minotauress looked more like her than the child. I suppose the question of where the child went might also be up in the air, but that might be who they were expecting to find when they found the mother's actual body.

...for the record, the actual reason for the manifestation is something to be revealed in the story, so in case I write it, I'm not saying it here.

One thing to consider, is that GSD can be hereditary, look at the Scale family, Sapphire and her sisters were hatched looking a bit like Diamondback,

Asked here, since I don't know where else TO ask it and it would definitely count as a "bad idea": does ARC have a "Take Your Daughter To Work Day?"

Asking for a friend.

It probably does, not everything there is top secret and the mindset is pretty liberal.

However... the idea of a research institution with a TYDTW Day brings to mind potato battery-powered AIs, wormhole-generating guns, white automated gun turrets with childish voices and combustible lemons which can burn your house down.

Sir Lee wrote: It probably does, not everything there is top secret and the mindset is pretty liberal.

However... the idea of a research institution with a TYDTW Day brings to mind potato battery-powered AIs, wormhole-generating guns, white automated gun turrets with childish voices and combustible lemons which can burn your house down.

Gotcha. Making a note here: "Huge success."

Daisy Dukes as part of a girl's combat final costume.

What, is there a new girl brick coming from Dogpatch?

Cryptic wrote: Daisy Dukes as part of a girl's combat final costume.

That sounds like she's trying to get Peeper firing on all lecherous cylinders.

Commander_Knight35 wrote:

Cryptic wrote: Daisy Dukes as part of a girl's combat final costume.

That sounds like she's trying to get Peeper firing on all lecherous cylinders.

Decoy and Blindspot's actually.
And thinking it's paying off a bet.

Ratel vs an Avatar with a Wolverine spirit.

Squick idea as well as bad. I am a little ashamed o myself for thinking this one up.

Twin Warpers, fraternal twins. They can pull a Fury, becoming one being, one head, two arms and legs, and mixed sexual characteristics. Their minds sync when they merge, they know what the other knows and thought. They can merge with other people, and the twins suffer MATD in that when they seperate. Thow in the squick of that they are attracted to each other...

Interesting, potential background characters as possible residents of the deeper levels of ARC, or as patients being discussed by Dr. Otto in a background scene.

With nothing being directly referenced, or explicitly stated, it would be possible to to get the same vibe as the film version of "The Silence of The Lambs", where they were discussing Lecter's attack on one of the nurses, but the audience only saw the actor's reactions to the autopsy photo's, and not the photo's themselves.

Would make for a more subtle introduction.

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I slap my forehead thrice. Just realised that the Gen2 authors are doing something similar with events in the overarching timeline.

Mister D wrote: Interesting, potential background characters as possible residents of the deeper levels of ARC, or as patients being discussed by Dr. Otto in a background scene.

With nothing being directly referenced, or explicitly stated, it would be possible to to get the same vibe as the film version of "The Silence of The Lambs", where they were discussing Lecter's attack on one of the nurses, but the audience only saw the actor's reactions to the autopsy photo's, and not the photo's themselves.

Would make for a more subtle introduction.

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I slap my forehead thrice. Just realised that the Gen2 authors are doing something similar with events in the overarching timeline.

Ok, that spin I love, and know I can't pull off.

kid is abducted, eyes end up removed before recovered. manifests with just enough regen to make implants unfeasible due to rejection. maybe they give off a vibe or scent that annoy the heck out of animals. even devised ones.

thought of while watching an NCIS episode.

My, this one is blessed with suck, isn't they? Kidnapped, blinded, unable to even wear prosthetic "glass" eyes, hated by animals... why don't give them a nasty B.O. problem while you are at it?

Codename: "Suicide Watch" -- not what they are called, what they are permanently under.

Sir Lee wrote: My, this one is blessed with suck, isn't they? Kidnapped, blinded, unable to even wear prosthetic "glass" eyes, hated by animals... why don't give them a nasty B.O. problem while you are at it?

Codename: "Suicide Watch" -- not what they are called, what they are permanently under.

Glass eyes might work, I was thinking more Techno-devil or Jericho style cyber implants. And the suck would be balanced somewhat with a good power set, that I didn't think of.

I have this idea she has Jimmy Palmer's 'Even if I'm not happy, I'll act it until eventually I am' mentality.

Cryptic wrote: maybe they give off a vibe or scent that annoy the heck out of animals. even devised ones.

Like Metro?

A Touch Telepath that "sees" what's missing, but abstractly. So they have trouble passing on the information.

Real world untraceable ghost guns are scary enough, but think about what is out on or how they could get onto the WU streets.

"Holy shit! How'd you get that thing past the metal detectors?"

"Easy. It's a ghost gun. Untraceable."

"Okay, well then, let's shoot the guard and get out of here!"

"Won't work. Like I said, it's a ghost gun. Shoots ghost bullets. They'll just go through him."

"...Then what is even the point?"

"Shooting ghosts, obviously."

"But there are no ghosts here."

"Nope. But if we're here so long he dies of old age and becomes a ghost, I'll be ready for him."

Kettlekorn wrote: "Holy shit! How'd you get that thing past the metal detectors?"

"Easy. It's a ghost gun. Untraceable."

"Okay, well then, let's shoot the guard and get out of here!"

"Won't work. Like I said, it's a ghost gun. Shoots ghost bullets. They'll just go through him."

"...Then what is even the point?"

"Shooting ghosts, obviously."

"But there are no ghosts here."

"Nope. But if we're here so long he dies of old age and becomes a ghost, I'll be ready for him."

Ecto-tech finally perfected it then? Cool!

A T-rex avatar, but she's slow and lazy. She prefers to eat out of the trash, and mostly spends her free time sleeping in her dino form. She gains feathers in the winter, molts them in the spring, though it's both on her own body and her dino form. She's strong, even in her arms, but she's too lazy to actually be a part of a combat team. Her entire story arc revolves around him trying to work as little as possible around Whateley and still graduate. Codename is Sue, of course.

A devisor that can't make anything with screwing something up that even the non-techs can see clearly. He builds car wheels with Pi= 3. His Bio-devised animals parrot nonsense in languages he doesn't know. He shouldn't be asked to help out with a project, because he will forget the convert metric to imperial at some critical point, but for some reason, it will still work. Also has a desire to cook, and has his own lab dedicated to it, with a collection of feral cheeses. Codename: Mashup, to be changed to something both more and less appropriate when he graduates.

Dropping a "clone" of the Benedict Cumberbatce version of Sherlock Holmes in to mess with the ICCs.

A (formerly) male Manifestor whose MATD is turning him into a Ship Girl a la Kantai Collection or Azur Lane.

RWBY + weapons devisors

Having mini Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle style mutated animals running around due to a waste fluid from some Divisor tech. And the critters are all 'siblings' to most of the devisor's friends.

Cryptic wrote: RWBY + weapons devisors

pretty sure I've mentioned that years ago...

Cryptic wrote: RWBY + weapons devisors

Rwby plus Eldritch. example: Myrtenaster she absolutely could recreate it

Super teamup: Boomjob & Lady Havoc

Valentine wrote: Super teamup: Boomjob & Lady Havoc

Worse idea: kidnap their "daughters".

Codename: Reset, a name they take after the third repetition
Powers: Wonky Exemplar BIT. Age regressed to preteen, maybe gender flip. Age to mid twenties the their bit resets them to preeteen. And maybe flip their gender again.